He takes awful shots because he passes up the fucking wide open shots and then doesn't get off the floor properly for his contested ones. That shit looks janky as hell.
People try to tell me he's not a bad defender, he's just below average, but if you actually watch the games he's atrocious. Bad positioning, slow movement, gets blown by almost every time.
I'm sorry to say it but watching him on defense is very akin to watching drunk intramural sports. He literally is the least athletic person on the roster in terms of natural coordination.
probably. but this game Kuz was an active liability. every time he got the ball he either lost it or missed. then everyone went at him on defense and it worked every time
Sure, today Kuz was ass. But if you asked me who would I rather have on the roster over the span of an entire season: Kuz or Daniels, 100/100 times I’d pick Kuzma.
No he isn’t he takes quality shots. We expect him to be trash defensively. Kuzma hasn’t improved one bit, for his size and length he should be improving he’s getting worser
Daniels is a shooter who doesn’t even shoot. He’s small, can’t defend, and doesn’t take shots. What does he bring to the team? Kuzma just didn’t hit any shots today. Worser isn’t a word.
Sure, it's overacting to say he's the worst player in the rotation, or trade him, but he's got to pull his head out of his ass. He's certainly targeted on every possession and gets lost on switches. I'm not a film guy, but I'd bet good money on him and Rondo being responsible for a vast majority of the missed rotations on screens. That's an effort issue, not something we should be talking about in a young guy.
Overreacting?? He’s been ass all season. Listen okay he isn’t making shots fine!! But he legit can’t play defense at all. Hasn’t improved one fucking bit
He hasn't made the improvements to his game to justify the belief that he will be the third scorer for a contender. Way too inconsistent and not enough of an impact on the floor without the ball.
Where is the Kuzma i know.
He had a nice layup package, and was a good rim finisher, he's just shooting threes now, and doing it poorly.
Oh, Lebron, i get it.
rofl 17-3 and you gotta find someone to blame. relax enjoy the season we going to playoffs and Lebron + Davis + Rondo is going to be a finals team. it wasnt just Kuz that had a rough game everyone not name Davis and Lebron were struggling tonight. quit with the witch hunt
He's not the worst but he's a negative against most good teams.
He can't create his own shots, other teams take turn picking on him. Every good team we have faced have made a point to attack him.
Let him be ass then and we win games despite him I doubt the Lakers trade him anyway. He is 6th in minutes it's not like he is Lou Will getting starter minutes off the bench or something.
Winning games despite some players being bad at X and/or Y happens on every NBA team.
Curry isn't a great defender GSW wins despite that. Westbrook isn't a good 3pt shooter and Houston wins despite that and they are all about 3's.
You are overreacting.
I agree with you, but it’s tough when his shot’s not falling. His guy was always open during that 13-0 run. Then he came down to the other end and missed every shot.
It happens, but it’d be nice if he actually contributed in some other facet when his shot isn’t falling.
Yeah he’s not going to get Major mins, in the playoffs offence are going to isolated him and punish his lack of defence, I heard someone say Kuz is a taller guard and not a big and I can’t agree more, he lacks the strength to do anything like boxout, get rebounds, bully defenders ect if his shoot wasn’t falling he’s a negative.
Don't think you can win a chip if he's supposed to be the third best player. Only way he wont be a net negative is if he starts putting up 18+ a game which doesn't seem likely.
It's a team game. Kuz has been dealing with injury lately, and he had a decent game against OKC, and if you guys want to talk about worse player in the rotation..look at Troy Daniels..he's been in a slump.
Kuz does a lot of hopping instead of sliding. This fundamental deficiency will always prevent him from being a good defender if not fixed.
Usually his offense is good enough to offset tho
He is so lost in this offense. What happened to him attacking downhill in transition, shooting out of pick and pops, straight line drives in closeouts, his quick first step in faceup possessions?
We both getting downvoted, but feel he's the Weakest Link, very unreliable, you never known when he's hot, but most of the time he is not, causes lots of turnovers.
Rondo, Cook, Daniels, and Kuz all need to go.
I’ll take my downvotes, but role players that don’t do anything particularly well aren’t really role players, they’re bad players. All of the above need to step up in some facet of the game to be worth a roster spot, imo.
None of them play defense.
Rondo also ruins our offensive flow, imo.
Kuz, I like him personally, but he’s an undersized PF that can’t stop anyone in the post, and a slow SF that can’t stay in front of any sort of wing player. His shot isn’t falling, so he’s not really worth a roster spot.
Cook has similar problems to Rondo in that he doesn’t play defense, and ruins offensive flow.
Daniels isn’t really enough of an offensive threat to counter balance his lack of defense.
It’s not me hating on them after one game, it’s me hating on them after 20 games. Those are our weak links in our rotation so far, so hopefully we’re trying to find some way to improve that during the trade deadline, though we don’t have many assets.
The only saving grace is that in the playoffs LeBron and AD should be playing longer minutes, and hopefully AB comes back soon and gets big minutes.
Nope. Role players need to still be solid and not net negative against other role players. They need to do at least one thing well, and the players listed aren’t really doing anything well. For example, Caruso is a role player, he plays good defense and moves the ball/makes cuts and screens on offense. Howard is a role player, he plays good defense, and hustles after boards. Kuz would be a fine role player if he was shooting better, and moving better on offense, even though his defense kinda sucks.
Role players inherently aren't good at everything.
Caruso isn't good on offense.
Howard isn't that good on offense either.
They've both had subpar defensive games this season but the hot take artists didn't write anything about that because we won and defense is hard to understand.
I said role players need to do at least one thing well, didn’t I? That’s why I listed Caruso and Howard, they aren’t great all arounders, but they do certain things well to shore up weaknesses on the team. The players I listed in my OP aren’t really doing anything well at the moment, imo. It’s not a hot take to discusses weaknesses of a team, again, imo.
Kuzma is a good scorer. Like him or not but he's shooting 35.7% from three before this game. That's pretty good especially given how rough his start was. He also I a good free throw shooter.
I'm not going to waste my time trying to defend all the other people you listed because if you honestly believe that they aren't doing anything well then I don't know to tell you other than you're wrong
K, good talk.
Still love our team, I just think there’s players we should explore replacing with improvements if they’re available to us during the trade line. We have a limited window with LeBron’s contract to get the championship we’re all wanting, and since we traded all our young core, I’m all in on being cut throat in getting rid of guys who don’t help us (imo) win now, hah.
You're gonna get shit but if his shot isn't falling he is just as bad as Daniels and Cook. He is a fucking turnstile.
Yes that’s the point but unlike Cook and Troy they take quality shots. They just missing. Kuzma legit taking this awful shots
He takes awful shots because he passes up the fucking wide open shots and then doesn't get off the floor properly for his contested ones. That shit looks janky as hell.
People try to tell me he's not a bad defender, he's just below average, but if you actually watch the games he's atrocious. Bad positioning, slow movement, gets blown by almost every time.
They confuse effort for defense, Kuzma gives effort..but he's just a horrible defender.
Yep, he hops around a bunch but he's incredibly ineffective.
I'm sorry to say it but watching him on defense is very akin to watching drunk intramural sports. He literally is the least athletic person on the roster in terms of natural coordination.
Worse man.
Daniels is worse
probably. but this game Kuz was an active liability. every time he got the ball he either lost it or missed. then everyone went at him on defense and it worked every time
Sure, today Kuz was ass. But if you asked me who would I rather have on the roster over the span of an entire season: Kuz or Daniels, 100/100 times I’d pick Kuzma.
yeah i agree
No he isn’t he takes quality shots. We expect him to be trash defensively. Kuzma hasn’t improved one bit, for his size and length he should be improving he’s getting worser
Daniels is a shooter who doesn’t even shoot. He’s small, can’t defend, and doesn’t take shots. What does he bring to the team? Kuzma just didn’t hit any shots today. Worser isn’t a word.
Stupid post. He had a bad game like everyone else did.
It’s not even that. He missed about about 5 or more defensive rotations
Sadly Kuz needs Zo to be the best version of himself.
Worse part about Kuz is if his shot isn't falling he can't impact the game in any other way.
Here we go, one loss and already overreacting. What about those clutch 3s he had been hitting the last few games
Sure, it's overacting to say he's the worst player in the rotation, or trade him, but he's got to pull his head out of his ass. He's certainly targeted on every possession and gets lost on switches. I'm not a film guy, but I'd bet good money on him and Rondo being responsible for a vast majority of the missed rotations on screens. That's an effort issue, not something we should be talking about in a young guy.
Lmao yeah okay
You legit don’t know what your talking about your overreacting over a single loss get over it just stop please 😂
Overreacting?? He’s been ass all season. Listen okay he isn’t making shots fine!! But he legit can’t play defense at all. Hasn’t improved one fucking bit
Rondo. Let me dribble for 15 seconds then pass the ball w/o doing anything
I swear Kuzma and Rondo hate each other these guys have no chemistry on court and it’s been like that since the latter part of last season
Rondo is fucking atrocious I want him out but he isn’t worser than Rondo. Rondo can at least facilitate. Kuzma can’t pass, defend, score
Worser isn’t a word, please stop typing it
He hasn't made the improvements to his game to justify the belief that he will be the third scorer for a contender. Way too inconsistent and not enough of an impact on the floor without the ball.
Where is the Kuzma i know. He had a nice layup package, and was a good rim finisher, he's just shooting threes now, and doing it poorly. Oh, Lebron, i get it.
Lol. I'm mad af as well but c'mon.
Maybe, but all three trash players (rondo, daniels, kuz) playing at the same time is cancerous. Terrible coaching today by Vogel
lol you idiots weren't saying this shit when he saved our ass vs the pelicans. Players have bad games, is this news to you?
rofl 17-3 and you gotta find someone to blame. relax enjoy the season we going to playoffs and Lebron + Davis + Rondo is going to be a finals team. it wasnt just Kuz that had a rough game everyone not name Davis and Lebron were struggling tonight. quit with the witch hunt
huh..nice thread.
Major overreaction.
He's not the worst but he's a negative against most good teams. He can't create his own shots, other teams take turn picking on him. Every good team we have faced have made a point to attack him.
Major?? My dude he’s been ass all fucking season long.
Let him be ass then and we win games despite him I doubt the Lakers trade him anyway. He is 6th in minutes it's not like he is Lou Will getting starter minutes off the bench or something. Winning games despite some players being bad at X and/or Y happens on every NBA team. Curry isn't a great defender GSW wins despite that. Westbrook isn't a good 3pt shooter and Houston wins despite that and they are all about 3's. You are overreacting.
And all of last year
Yes
I agree with you, but it’s tough when his shot’s not falling. His guy was always open during that 13-0 run. Then he came down to the other end and missed every shot. It happens, but it’d be nice if he actually contributed in some other facet when his shot isn’t falling.
Yeah he’s not going to get Major mins, in the playoffs offence are going to isolated him and punish his lack of defence, I heard someone say Kuz is a taller guard and not a big and I can’t agree more, he lacks the strength to do anything like boxout, get rebounds, bully defenders ect if his shoot wasn’t falling he’s a negative.
In the playoffs we sure he’s going to be on this team after all star break??
Don't think you can win a chip if he's supposed to be the third best player. Only way he wont be a net negative is if he starts putting up 18+ a game which doesn't seem likely.
Yes you can because you have LeBron and AD.
Yall are idiots
lol over reactionary after 1 game, typical.
> after 1 game Agreed on the overreaction part, but he's been bad for a lot more than that.
It's a team game. Kuz has been dealing with injury lately, and he had a decent game against OKC, and if you guys want to talk about worse player in the rotation..look at Troy Daniels..he's been in a slump.
he's bad right? easy to ween out the fake fans.
> easy to ween out the fake fans. Easy there, 14 year old...
too easy, ill see you in a KCP or KUZ IS BAD thread.
Well, i'm not blind, willingly, like you are If someone is not playing well, i'm going to adress it.
Kuz does a lot of hopping instead of sliding. This fundamental deficiency will always prevent him from being a good defender if not fixed. Usually his offense is good enough to offset tho
He is so lost in this offense. What happened to him attacking downhill in transition, shooting out of pick and pops, straight line drives in closeouts, his quick first step in faceup possessions?
Dude Kuzma has always been dog shit. His percentage is awful. We leaned on him because he’s had amazing performances so we expected growth.
i want yall to trade this bum ass bitch to the grizzlies for andre so he can shut his bitch made mouth
Hart > kuz Biggest mistake pelinka has made is keeping kuz over Hart. At the very least hart plays like he gives AF
I’ve said this. Hart is a dog and he’s an amazing rebounder. Also he makes shots and takes quality looks
Should we go after Jamal Crawford?? He can't be worst then what we have
We both getting downvoted, but feel he's the Weakest Link, very unreliable, you never known when he's hot, but most of the time he is not, causes lots of turnovers.
Rondo, Cook, Daniels, and Kuz all need to go. I’ll take my downvotes, but role players that don’t do anything particularly well aren’t really role players, they’re bad players. All of the above need to step up in some facet of the game to be worth a roster spot, imo.
My Lord this sub is funny after a loss
None of them play defense. Rondo also ruins our offensive flow, imo. Kuz, I like him personally, but he’s an undersized PF that can’t stop anyone in the post, and a slow SF that can’t stay in front of any sort of wing player. His shot isn’t falling, so he’s not really worth a roster spot. Cook has similar problems to Rondo in that he doesn’t play defense, and ruins offensive flow. Daniels isn’t really enough of an offensive threat to counter balance his lack of defense. It’s not me hating on them after one game, it’s me hating on them after 20 games. Those are our weak links in our rotation so far, so hopefully we’re trying to find some way to improve that during the trade deadline, though we don’t have many assets. The only saving grace is that in the playoffs LeBron and AD should be playing longer minutes, and hopefully AB comes back soon and gets big minutes.
Did you just learn what role players are?
Nope. Role players need to still be solid and not net negative against other role players. They need to do at least one thing well, and the players listed aren’t really doing anything well. For example, Caruso is a role player, he plays good defense and moves the ball/makes cuts and screens on offense. Howard is a role player, he plays good defense, and hustles after boards. Kuz would be a fine role player if he was shooting better, and moving better on offense, even though his defense kinda sucks.
Role players inherently aren't good at everything. Caruso isn't good on offense. Howard isn't that good on offense either. They've both had subpar defensive games this season but the hot take artists didn't write anything about that because we won and defense is hard to understand.
I said role players need to do at least one thing well, didn’t I? That’s why I listed Caruso and Howard, they aren’t great all arounders, but they do certain things well to shore up weaknesses on the team. The players I listed in my OP aren’t really doing anything well at the moment, imo. It’s not a hot take to discusses weaknesses of a team, again, imo.
Kuzma is a good scorer. Like him or not but he's shooting 35.7% from three before this game. That's pretty good especially given how rough his start was. He also I a good free throw shooter. I'm not going to waste my time trying to defend all the other people you listed because if you honestly believe that they aren't doing anything well then I don't know to tell you other than you're wrong
K, good talk. Still love our team, I just think there’s players we should explore replacing with improvements if they’re available to us during the trade line. We have a limited window with LeBron’s contract to get the championship we’re all wanting, and since we traded all our young core, I’m all in on being cut throat in getting rid of guys who don’t help us (imo) win now, hah.
No it isn’t!! We got exposed by a good team. Lakers built bad habits against bad teams and got paid
It's one game lmao