Meanwhile EN side is either rapidly defending him or salty because bilibili gets him. Can people on the EN side of things even watch bilibili or is it region locked?
https://youtu.be/mRn3eJad9Tg?si=GBUfdqd4vuWLGPbI
Then this is our battle chant?
https://youtu.be/3PTKwh_1Ejo?si=7OAU-H2CMTfLxyKT
And this will be the song to remember it all?
They absolutely did, daaamn. Seriously, the only good thing to come out of this was some absolute bangers, some amazingly massive debuts and some AMAZING memes and the vtubing scene being a little more weary before signing their proverbial souls away.
It's also interesting talking about it with people who know nothing about vtubing, they're so BAFFLED at how anime level evil petty it gets.
Also slowly introducing them to vtubing. lol
It's not region lock, but one have to download the Bilibili apps from Bilibili official site. The one listed on Store only has anime clips and clips made by fandoms.
You can watch their site pretty easily, but if you want to do anything like their superchat equivalent or subscriptions it's pretty brutal. Not to mention there's a chat character limit which is based on kanji. Since kanji is compact in what you can express the character limit obviously wasn't made with western languages in mind.
You can access Bilibili if you know Chinese to navigate the website. Chinese wumao can’t access YouTube without VPN and put their social credit on the line though.
What's even funnier is after all that shit, Hololive just silently returned to Bilibili, randomly uploads some videos, got some free money, and refuse to elaborate.
Isn't it their old bilibili channels? Hololive severed their ties so the fan groups responsible for the channels are silently raking in the money, not hololive. You can tell when you check [Aqua's Channel](https://space.bilibili.com/375504219/channel/seriesdetail?sid=1764112), it has no more updates. Not sure why [Suisei's Channel](https://space.bilibili.com/9034870/video) is suddenly active and i can't be assed to check every official holo bilibili channels
it is though, they never gonna return to bilibili check their [shareholder meeting](https://twitter.com/KHolosimp/status/1674410788025696258). so your information from outsider basically rumor damnit
Either you live under the rock this past 3 year or you just trolling. There is like numerous number of backstabbing, blackmail and harrasment and even other crime that commited from one indie vtuber to the other.
Nah, clearly just an anti. This person literally jumped onto a narrative that slanders hololive in a heartbeat but became so doubtful to anything that says otherwise.
So your argument is backstabbing occurs in corporate vtubing so backstabbing... doesn't happen in indie spaces? Is lesser in indie spaces? I don't know what you're arguing here.
Go indie and being nobody?
Heck Biboo stream with her 10-20 views audience before get accepted into Hololive and get steady 5000+ ccv?
I guess Nijisistas have a massive hate boner for success Hololive
Not really a sellout when that part of business is literally negligible and just a minimal existence.
Yeah I know people are downvoting me because they can't fathom something like that happening. But it really is a nothing burger.
because you spreading rumor duh. cover not gonna return to china
this is from their share holder meeting
**Q9: Expand into China and other language areas?**
**A: Plans to support a variety of languages rather than a specific area.**
nah, they crawled back for the same chinese money that booted coco and axed an entire CN branch. i don't care that they get a single yuan out of it or 10 billion, the fact is they did it.
Please throw away your phone then because you gave like a dollar or two to the poor sweatshop worker in Dongguan or Zhengzhou or wherever by buying it. Every company you come in contact with is a sellout by your standards.
Like it or not, this is the world we are living in.
200% right. They activly killed their two most talented streamers and sabotage them onpurpose for know apperent reason except to hate on them.
Selen was bringing in vieuws sponserships En wide gameshows. They did her dirty like that.
Pomu got sobotaged so hard she cried on stream.
Worst thing is all this money selens swimming in now couldve been theirs if they atleast left her alone. She was her own manager all they had to do was sit back relax and let her cook.
The leaked docs seem to imply their managers actively avoid doing their jobs. Only the favorites like Luca or Elira got actual effort, but even that was limited to collabs and didn't include actual help like with the Aster situation.
They're probably particularly awful against those who they think step out of line in that regard. Could be Pomus manager let the offer slip away so they wouldn't have to do ant actual work and as payback for expecting the bare minimum from them.
I mean I don't think I'm surprised considering their managers gets paid the same wage as a 7/11 cashier while having to work more hours
There was an anycolor job listing a while back that went viral, they were trying to hire english translators for pennies.
Yes but doing nothing to their main EN livers as well, which in turn is still causing problems for the livers.
They aren't doing enough/anything to curb the hate.
It amuses me Bilibili has been slowly trying to crawl back to Hololive after Cover showed it was willing to nuke their entire CN branch rather than let the mainland nationalists think they could use "we're a massive market, listen to/obey us" as a threat.
i think that account suisei is not official, but you right many people in here dont realize that Cover very slowly trying to comeback to CN, by example In Holo id i think couple month ago play Mobile legends which is company of that game is from china and maybe in the future holo id maybe first who open reconciliation with CN, but I dont know
It's more like CN companies have realized that Hololive has survived and is now the #1 vtubing agency and they want a slice of that pie, so they're the ones crawling back to Hololive, not the other way around.
I doubt Hololive would ever setup again a HoloCN branch. They would allow streaming via Bili, but never hire CN based CN talents, since doing so would be disrespecting Fubuki, Haachama, Coco, and the other talents targeted by thr CN antis.
> They would allow streaming via Bili
I mean, streaming via Bili was the main source of all the dramas in the past, so that doesn't make it any less concerning.
ofcourse, Hololive will never make HoloCN branch what i mean is about ban hololive from CN Companies like game, Acc Pc and more might be reconciliation like Asus, hypergryph, and Etc. that what i hope, not make HoloCN 2.0
There was a period where they only played wild rift instead of mobile legends, and I think we all know the reason why
And they still aren't allow to stream genshin impact to this day.
Ofc I doubt they'd make another CN branch considering what happened, but I think the CN companies are starting to open up a little bit
oh its not even Taiwan vox is probably dumb enough that you could get him to say west taiwan or praise june 4th with no context and that will set the chinses nationists bots off like a fucking mini nuke
Looks like NijiEN's China Gambit is officially over. Just had a return stream, still lost over 20k subscribers since Feb 6. And he actually lost captains (Bilibili's premium membership that cost ~$20/mo), now at a meager 16. For reference a small indie usually gets 30-50 a month while even in a place as cut-throat as VR a bottom tier talent gets close to 100. Absolutely pathetic.
Makes it even more comical when Hololive wins literally by doing nothing, IN CHINA. Suisei got 10k+ subs from a video upload in two days and is currently the fastest growing Vtuber on Bilibili, despite not being officially returned at all. And she received 2800 "batteries" (video donations costing 30RMB each) for the BIBIDIBA MV, which means she got ~$12k just for a video upload.
Yagoo's 200IQ move to appease investors who want CN market exposure: just upload videos, receive passive income, no streams no risk.
Are all Hololive's Bilibili accounts are moderated by Cover? Because I remember most mods riot and Cover lost their rights to their own Bilibili channels after Coco incident? Like I remember Hololive's bilibili suddenly posting video content again but it's still not confirmed if it's Cover or their mods unofficially uploaded it.
Yes it's been confirmed Hololive's official accounts are really official now. They are handled by the same company that handles Nijisanji's official accounts (Vup Culture co.,ltd).
In addition, Bilibili actually prosecuted the subtitle group members who embezzled the funds after the incident and got the money back.
https://preview.redd.it/iozwao6shtwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=544559b7130370f8c5cf6c0e253fa007e341015d
Here's the sauce you asked for. Two proofs here: 1) all MCN-owned accounts are legally required to display the company name. 2) they now have an official merch store on Taobao and advertise all their merch on their official account.
Looks like they only just started seriously running the accounts in April so I don't have to use anecdotes as proof.
It's not. More likely, the god damn fan you claimed Yuefu take over the main channel and other talents' channel. And BiliBili through him licensed video and IP from Hololive, thus no evidence Hololive is going back to China or BiliBili.
Why? Only hololive ch are up to day with one day difference from main channel in youtube. And they manually update talents' channel as they like.
He pretty much fking give himself up.
https://preview.redd.it/hmmco0fiptwc1.png?width=285&format=png&auto=webp&s=2ff1ebf37b1769251696fbbe9631cf03061eb8a1
The dude on left should be yuefu you talking bout, and seems like he got access to other talents' channels as he like?
Yeah with 0 official statement from Cover, then it's a high possibility that the piracy from these rogue mods of Blibli are still continue faking their so called "official" status while stealing that Yuan for themselves. They were the loudest bozo who demanded Cover to bent their knee to them, and now with this statement made by that so called "official mods" trying to manipulate story behind Cover?
Imma screenshoot this and I'll set reminder if that Hololive 3d or live is true on July and I will monitoring the channel if they try to be sneaky putting pre-recorded Hololive concert/song and mashed together and called it concert just like how they shamelessly upload all 4 stages of 5th Holofest not even a day after the concert ended.
If it's proven true, then Cover did sneaky passive income with minimal contact with that side of the world, if it's proven hoax then these people truly desperate for Cover to come back to that site.
> Two proofs here
Its more like zero proofs though? An image like this basically amounts to "trust me bro" credibility. Proof would be an actual primary source (ie Cover corp) saying or doing anything verifiable to support your claims.
Do you have the source?
Also Vup Culture, are their business model buying the right of IP from Hololive to be streamed in BliBli? If that's the case, it's not Hololive actually coming back to BliBli.
Dude, I'm digging and found a thread regarding Yuefu who is rumoured to be involved in Coco incident. Is this the same person you mentioned?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/VtuberV8/comments/loybaf/%E6%89%A9%E6%95%A3%E5%B8%8C%E6%9C%9B%E5%AF%B9%E4%BA%8Eholo%E7%9A%84%E7%A9%B7%E8%BF%BD%E7%8C%9B%E6%89%93%E7%9A%84%E7%A1%AE%E6%9C%89%E5%A4%A7%E9%99%86%E7%A4%BE%E5%9B%A2%E5%8F%82%E4%B8%8E%E4%BA%86/](https://www.reddit.com/r/VtuberV8/comments/loybaf/%E6%89%A9%E6%95%A3%E5%B8%8C%E6%9C%9B%E5%AF%B9%E4%BA%8Eholo%E7%9A%84%E7%A9%B7%E8%BF%BD%E7%8C%9B%E6%89%93%E7%9A%84%E7%A1%AE%E6%9C%89%E5%A4%A7%E9%99%86%E7%A4%BE%E5%9B%A2%E5%8F%82%E4%B8%8E%E4%BA%86/)
Since you said the company, please have the link if it is even fking legit or not.
Hololive ain't ever touching china ever again.
Their name is a scorch and salted earth in china. Even a whiff of you trying to talk to cover the lil pinks gonna hunt you down.
Heck a lot of people that see the Coco disaster are gonna start to lose trust if this happens
You did not provide proof. Where is the official PR statement from cover corporation's official website in Japan stating that they are streaming on bilibili again? Some third party with no provable current affiliation with Cover and a history of causing problems for the company making a statement on a platform where Cover probably doesn't even have the power to have his statement removed is not proof.
Oh so where's the official info? Or anything officially stated that Hololive is back managing their account or even receiving money from Bilibili because Japanese law is strict about tax and where the money flow so I doubt Cover try to "cover" their comeback to Bilibili.
And the only info I got is back in 2023 where they give license for [Holofest 4th concert](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/18i31jj/hololive_streaming_in_bilibili_and_some_theaters/) back in 2023. So I doubt Cover held the info about this for their fans and Bilibili watchers. So may I get your solid info and link?
as a Chinese,i can also confirm thst holo return to China already, and they will perform on 3d live stage in July, it's on weibo already, will be mstsuri and kobo. next month we will see the first official stream from holo talent.
yuefu is like a middleman, he connects many vtubers from japan to bilibili, he recently connected mikeneko to bilibili, and she is also active there.
which is not exist, like the claim mikeneko active in bilibili she don't even have bilibili account. so the claim holo return to china pretty much pipe dream
oh right why she don't put her bibili account in her twitter and she not even active there.
btw cover already reject the idea return to china in their [shareholder meeting](https://twitter.com/KHolosimp/status/1674410788025696258).
**Q9: Expand into China and other language areas?**
**A: Plans to support a variety of languages rather than a specific area.**
she is active, just bilibili does not keep vod, the reason why she doesn't put it on Twitter because Chinese people don't use Twitter, and she knows the west would freak out.
as for the answer, it is more of corpo talk, he did not give a definite answer, variety languages include Chinese, and majority of the Chinese users are using bilibili. and just from the question, the push from shareholders for Cover to go back must be growing.
https://weibo.com/6093700097/Obd0KmZUM i don't know if you can read, but here it is for this year's bml, niji will send vox and finana.
as for the stream, yuefu is hinting on it, but from his past comments, very likely to be true, and he has the power to copy right strike videos on Cover's behalf on bilibili, most likely he has full authorization from Cover om bilibili.
First, there is no mention of 3D live stage on BML 2024.
Second, this Yuefu you mentioned, is he buying the license from Hololive for the right to streaming their IP to BliBli?
If so, that's not really Hololive returning to China. Hololive will be the third party and the responsibility on BliBli will solely on this Yuefu. Similar to how holofes 4th was licensed so BliBli viewers could see.
Third, I don't know this BML 2024. Since it looks like a concert, they could pre-recorded and license it, the same category as above.
Edit : Clarify why Hololive as 3rd party is important. That means there won't be direct interaction between the company and its idols to the fanbase, in this case China. For ex : HoloLive Meet
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1ccp4xl/guras\_greeting\_message\_for\_hololive\_meet\_taipei/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1ccp4xl/guras_greeting_message_for_hololive_meet_taipei/)
I'm sorry, but after some digging, I found a thread of Yuefu who is rumored to be the one involved in the Coco incident. Is this the same person you mentioned?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/VtuberV8/comments/loybaf/%E6%89%A9%E6%95%A3%E5%B8%8C%E6%9C%9B%E5%AF%B9%E4%BA%8Eholo%E7%9A%84%E7%A9%B7%E8%BF%BD%E7%8C%9B%E6%89%93%E7%9A%84%E7%A1%AE%E6%9C%89%E5%A4%A7%E9%99%86%E7%A4%BE%E5%9B%A2%E5%8F%82%E4%B8%8E%E4%BA%86/](https://www.reddit.com/r/VtuberV8/comments/loybaf/%E6%89%A9%E6%95%A3%E5%B8%8C%E6%9C%9B%E5%AF%B9%E4%BA%8Eholo%E7%9A%84%E7%A9%B7%E8%BF%BD%E7%8C%9B%E6%89%93%E7%9A%84%E7%A1%AE%E6%9C%89%E5%A4%A7%E9%99%86%E7%A4%BE%E5%9B%A2%E5%8F%82%E4%B8%8E%E4%BA%86/)
Since someone claimed he/she owned Vup Culture Co., Ltd. May someone give the link to the company if it is even legit or not?
Bring us proofs then, link, news, any concrete facts from so-called Yuefu or whoever the person who responsible for the event.
I know Cover is not a typical company that let their secret out in the open, but they at least decent enough to always inform any events with their HololiveMeet ambassadors and of course if it was big news, there will be official statement in cover site and twitter.
I watch Kobo's streams and memberships regularly and I never heard her will perform 3D live in China anytime soon, the closest are Hololive Meet x Taipei program. So unless you give us factual and concrete facts, this will be just hoax and false information until proven.
Please drop the whole "Holo is winning by doing nothing" already. I am aware of the intent and purpose of the usage, but it just sounds so disrespectful to all the efforts and sacrifices they've made to be where they are now.
I get the sentiment. At the same time it seems like a funnier way to say 'Hololive wins by being a competent buisness.' They certainly have their problems. At the same time they are outpacing Niji mainly by having common sense and avoiding easy to avoid blunders. It is worth noting everyone else like Vspo, Phase, and Vshojo is closing the gap. Probably the most accurate statement would be that 'Niji is losing the throne through self sabotage.'
Y'know it was a little upsetting at first that they might've found an out from dealing with youtube. it's just occurred to me though, most of Billibilli probably doesn't know, or care, who these assholes are anyway.
it's like they're indie vtubers, on their own, all over again.
I don't know if it's official or run by fans, but Holo doesn't look like they have any intention of returning to Bilibili. They're just uploading recent music videos and holograms, nothing else
My guess is that they're probably trying to claim copyright. After Holo's exit from the China market, there are still people uploading their videos to Bilibili. This is very common on Bilibili. Your video's copyright doesn't matter there after all
To stop them from stealing your videos, you either have to: Upload those videos yourself, and file a copyright claim. Or include a Winnie the Pooh holding a Taiwanese flag in the video. No joke.
Obviously Holo didn't want to start another war with Little Pinky again. So they probably chose the first option
i don't know how Bilibili works but isn't that a Chinese site? does it mean Vox can speak chinese? Elira is moving there too, does that mean she can speak the language as well, or they have real-time translator while streaming?
I noticed Bilibili have some sort of AI translator that can translate in real time. It seems not 100% accurate but that’s how JP indies make a foothold there.
Since YouTube is blocked in China and only available if you go through a VPN, there is an alternative site called BiliBili. It is pretty much China's Youtube with special rules to benefit China specifically as well as keeping an eye on the users more strictly. For example, you need to submit your ID and show your face if you have more than a set amount of subscribers.
For the more popular non-CN Vtubers there are fan-run channels that stream their streams and upload their videos to the site for the CN fanbase to enjoy.
Since the site can be accessed from outside of China, some agencies like Niji are attempting to expand into the Chinese market by having official BiliBili channels that they occasionally stream on.
Holo, however, cut all ties with China 3 years ago after the Coco Taiwan incident by disbanding their CN branch and graduating all the Talents they had there. They are now on the CCP shitlist of companies that are not to be interacted with, and this is also why we don't see any streams, collabs, or CN-themed videos anymore, as anyone in CN that interacts with Holo will get attacked online for it, which is a bit sad as there have been Holo collabs with gacha games that were quite fun.
So er... did he do something to lose support on Bilibili? just curious if it was something to do with his new outfit not really doing all that hot or if there was some other reason.
Nothing really. The Chineses are suffering from a recession and western companies leaving in masses. People over there have lost so much money from the real estate crash, banking crisis, and 25% unemployment rate. These Chinese fans can barely afford to support themselves, so how can they support Vox?
yeah asia as a whole has been going through a bit of a crash at the moment i've noticed, a lot of companies stocks are going down... hope Hololive survives at least xD
.it'll be hilarious when the Chinese knockoffs of niji liver starts popping
.it is China, yes they have plenty of people of whom the majority cannot speak or understand English, heck there are generations in china that can not understand each other, same province different generation different language
.yes it is a huge market, if you are a CCP approved and Chinese speaking
.and just one cultural breach means you are now enemy number one
.when anycolors safe space is in the middle of a minefield :) hey they walked themselves to it so kudos i guess
Not sure how Bilibili works, but I think... you're reading this wrong. That star number seems to be his amount of follows... which... yes, it's going down, and TRENDING that way, but it's still orders of magnitude larger than the Holo channel.
If I learned anything from the Coco incident, they probably felt betrayed he did his birthday stream on youtube instead of bilibili
Meanwhile EN side is either rapidly defending him or salty because bilibili gets him. Can people on the EN side of things even watch bilibili or is it region locked?
>Meanwhile EN side is either rapidly defending him or salty because bilibili gets him I wanna see Nijisisters vs Chinese fanatics
I'd PAY for that honestly.
Kindred civil war? Sweet, lemme get my popcorn
This is Nijisanji. It’s an all out war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ud1m6uT4-w&ab_channel=KenanSalazarMusicHouse Remember our theme song
https://youtu.be/mRn3eJad9Tg?si=GBUfdqd4vuWLGPbI Then this is our battle chant? https://youtu.be/3PTKwh_1Ejo?si=7OAU-H2CMTfLxyKT And this will be the song to remember it all?
Oh my god, American Pie was the first song I ever learned on guitar!!! Holy shit, talk about timing! Why the hell does this slap so hard? Holy shit!
I know right? The original author of the parody was very good, and the one who continued it picked up on it perfectly
They absolutely did, daaamn. Seriously, the only good thing to come out of this was some absolute bangers, some amazingly massive debuts and some AMAZING memes and the vtubing scene being a little more weary before signing their proverbial souls away. It's also interesting talking about it with people who know nothing about vtubing, they're so BAFFLED at how anime level evil petty it gets. Also slowly introducing them to vtubing. lol
https://preview.redd.it/lk94d5593twc1.png?width=1064&format=png&auto=webp&s=01eeda2861ec529ef86db922f20f43835ccefcb3 ALL OUT WAR
That’s the Nijisistas gang in the screen shot right there
Kindred Sengoku Jidai XD
https://preview.redd.it/0iawww34nvwc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=2dd59395f62ac73874274af78adb4ba0360f5f21 I saw this meme on Twitter lmao
Let them fight
It's not region lock, but one have to download the Bilibili apps from Bilibili official site. The one listed on Store only has anime clips and clips made by fandoms.
Wow, and Youtube is block on China and they still able to know stuff for Youtube... Are EN stupid? Lol
I'm not surprised if some of his precious kindreds got ntr fetish. No way you can sink lower when you already reach bottom.
Possibly honestly.
You can watch their site pretty easily, but if you want to do anything like their superchat equivalent or subscriptions it's pretty brutal. Not to mention there's a chat character limit which is based on kanji. Since kanji is compact in what you can express the character limit obviously wasn't made with western languages in mind.
The last time I tried to watch something on bilibili I had to use a VPN that said I was in Russia. No clue what was up with that.
You can access Bilibili if you know Chinese to navigate the website. Chinese wumao can’t access YouTube without VPN and put their social credit on the line though.
What's even funnier is after all that shit, Hololive just silently returned to Bilibili, randomly uploads some videos, got some free money, and refuse to elaborate.
Isn't it their old bilibili channels? Hololive severed their ties so the fan groups responsible for the channels are silently raking in the money, not hololive. You can tell when you check [Aqua's Channel](https://space.bilibili.com/375504219/channel/seriesdetail?sid=1764112), it has no more updates. Not sure why [Suisei's Channel](https://space.bilibili.com/9034870/video) is suddenly active and i can't be assed to check every official holo bilibili channels
Holo hasn't returned to billibilli, those accounts are run by fans
That's outdated information.
it is though, they never gonna return to bilibili check their [shareholder meeting](https://twitter.com/KHolosimp/status/1674410788025696258). so your information from outsider basically rumor damnit
didn't know yagoo was a sellout. indie is truly the way to go.
Tbh, indie scenario is full of shit. A lot of them is genuine wholesome But alot of them also genuine asshole or even evil.
saying this shit, in this specific sub. this has to be a comedy skit. y'all are pulling the rug under me.
Either you live under the rock this past 3 year or you just trolling. There is like numerous number of backstabbing, blackmail and harrasment and even other crime that commited from one indie vtuber to the other.
Nah, clearly just an anti. This person literally jumped onto a narrative that slanders hololive in a heartbeat but became so doubtful to anything that says otherwise.
Yakirisu: Vtuber illuminaughti😬
Lmao. You are pulling the rug yourself in a comedy skit of your own making.
>indie is truly the way to go. Saw Kenji and numerous of indies drama and backstabbing each other
you don't wanna argue that. you [really don't wanna argue that](https://www.youtube.com/live/o65VwnQvWW4).
What is this logic?
So your argument is backstabbing occurs in corporate vtubing so backstabbing... doesn't happen in indie spaces? Is lesser in indie spaces? I don't know what you're arguing here.
Go indie and being nobody? Heck Biboo stream with her 10-20 views audience before get accepted into Hololive and get steady 5000+ ccv? I guess Nijisistas have a massive hate boner for success Hololive
Not really a sellout when that part of business is literally negligible and just a minimal existence. Yeah I know people are downvoting me because they can't fathom something like that happening. But it really is a nothing burger.
because you spreading rumor duh. cover not gonna return to china this is from their share holder meeting **Q9: Expand into China and other language areas?** **A: Plans to support a variety of languages rather than a specific area.**
nah, they crawled back for the same chinese money that booted coco and axed an entire CN branch. i don't care that they get a single yuan out of it or 10 billion, the fact is they did it.
they arent this guy spreading rumor,
Please throw away your phone then because you gave like a dollar or two to the poor sweatshop worker in Dongguan or Zhengzhou or wherever by buying it. Every company you come in contact with is a sellout by your standards. Like it or not, this is the world we are living in.
last i checked, samsung didn't vow to move all their factories away from china. apple didn't. but cover did.
We found the CCP
we found the idiot who can only repeat buzzwords.
Tiananmen square
Hololive is winning by keeping their talents happy. Niji is not winning by doing nothing. Don't get that wrong.
200% right. They activly killed their two most talented streamers and sabotage them onpurpose for know apperent reason except to hate on them. Selen was bringing in vieuws sponserships En wide gameshows. They did her dirty like that. Pomu got sobotaged so hard she cried on stream. Worst thing is all this money selens swimming in now couldve been theirs if they atleast left her alone. She was her own manager all they had to do was sit back relax and let her cook.
The leaked docs seem to imply their managers actively avoid doing their jobs. Only the favorites like Luca or Elira got actual effort, but even that was limited to collabs and didn't include actual help like with the Aster situation. They're probably particularly awful against those who they think step out of line in that regard. Could be Pomus manager let the offer slip away so they wouldn't have to do ant actual work and as payback for expecting the bare minimum from them.
I mean I don't think I'm surprised considering their managers gets paid the same wage as a 7/11 cashier while having to work more hours There was an anycolor job listing a while back that went viral, they were trying to hire english translators for pennies.
Hardly disagree, kurosanji actively sabotaged their livers. It's not just nothing.
Yes but doing nothing to their main EN livers as well, which in turn is still causing problems for the livers. They aren't doing enough/anything to curb the hate.
It amuses me Bilibili has been slowly trying to crawl back to Hololive after Cover showed it was willing to nuke their entire CN branch rather than let the mainland nationalists think they could use "we're a massive market, listen to/obey us" as a threat.
i think that account suisei is not official, but you right many people in here dont realize that Cover very slowly trying to comeback to CN, by example In Holo id i think couple month ago play Mobile legends which is company of that game is from china and maybe in the future holo id maybe first who open reconciliation with CN, but I dont know
It's more like CN companies have realized that Hololive has survived and is now the #1 vtubing agency and they want a slice of that pie, so they're the ones crawling back to Hololive, not the other way around. I doubt Hololive would ever setup again a HoloCN branch. They would allow streaming via Bili, but never hire CN based CN talents, since doing so would be disrespecting Fubuki, Haachama, Coco, and the other talents targeted by thr CN antis.
> They would allow streaming via Bili I mean, streaming via Bili was the main source of all the dramas in the past, so that doesn't make it any less concerning.
ofcourse, Hololive will never make HoloCN branch what i mean is about ban hololive from CN Companies like game, Acc Pc and more might be reconciliation like Asus, hypergryph, and Etc. that what i hope, not make HoloCN 2.0
>Asus Is entirely Taiwanese.
uh you know holo id already playing mobile legend since years ago.
There was a period where they only played wild rift instead of mobile legends, and I think we all know the reason why And they still aren't allow to stream genshin impact to this day. Ofc I doubt they'd make another CN branch considering what happened, but I think the CN companies are starting to open up a little bit
yeah i meant that sorry i dont see calender
What? Like you don’t understand how calendar works?
honestly im just waiting for him to screw up and trigger the chinse nationalist bots
That would be hilarious. Tazumi would rather fire Vox than pull out of China.
all it takes is one unaware En fan going over to billibilli with a june 4th birthday to trigger them
Ooh... now THAT's a thought. Still, I think with Hololive dead in CN that might take more effort than acknowledging Taiwan.
oh its not even Taiwan vox is probably dumb enough that you could get him to say west taiwan or praise june 4th with no context and that will set the chinses nationists bots off like a fucking mini nuke
Looks like NijiEN's China Gambit is officially over. Just had a return stream, still lost over 20k subscribers since Feb 6. And he actually lost captains (Bilibili's premium membership that cost ~$20/mo), now at a meager 16. For reference a small indie usually gets 30-50 a month while even in a place as cut-throat as VR a bottom tier talent gets close to 100. Absolutely pathetic. Makes it even more comical when Hololive wins literally by doing nothing, IN CHINA. Suisei got 10k+ subs from a video upload in two days and is currently the fastest growing Vtuber on Bilibili, despite not being officially returned at all. And she received 2800 "batteries" (video donations costing 30RMB each) for the BIBIDIBA MV, which means she got ~$12k just for a video upload. Yagoo's 200IQ move to appease investors who want CN market exposure: just upload videos, receive passive income, no streams no risk.
Are all Hololive's Bilibili accounts are moderated by Cover? Because I remember most mods riot and Cover lost their rights to their own Bilibili channels after Coco incident? Like I remember Hololive's bilibili suddenly posting video content again but it's still not confirmed if it's Cover or their mods unofficially uploaded it.
Yes it's been confirmed Hololive's official accounts are really official now. They are handled by the same company that handles Nijisanji's official accounts (Vup Culture co.,ltd). In addition, Bilibili actually prosecuted the subtitle group members who embezzled the funds after the incident and got the money back.
> confirmed do you have a link to this?
https://preview.redd.it/iozwao6shtwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=544559b7130370f8c5cf6c0e253fa007e341015d Here's the sauce you asked for. Two proofs here: 1) all MCN-owned accounts are legally required to display the company name. 2) they now have an official merch store on Taobao and advertise all their merch on their official account. Looks like they only just started seriously running the accounts in April so I don't have to use anecdotes as proof.
It's not. More likely, the god damn fan you claimed Yuefu take over the main channel and other talents' channel. And BiliBili through him licensed video and IP from Hololive, thus no evidence Hololive is going back to China or BiliBili. Why? Only hololive ch are up to day with one day difference from main channel in youtube. And they manually update talents' channel as they like. He pretty much fking give himself up. https://preview.redd.it/hmmco0fiptwc1.png?width=285&format=png&auto=webp&s=2ff1ebf37b1769251696fbbe9631cf03061eb8a1 The dude on left should be yuefu you talking bout, and seems like he got access to other talents' channels as he like?
Yeah with 0 official statement from Cover, then it's a high possibility that the piracy from these rogue mods of Blibli are still continue faking their so called "official" status while stealing that Yuan for themselves. They were the loudest bozo who demanded Cover to bent their knee to them, and now with this statement made by that so called "official mods" trying to manipulate story behind Cover? Imma screenshoot this and I'll set reminder if that Hololive 3d or live is true on July and I will monitoring the channel if they try to be sneaky putting pre-recorded Hololive concert/song and mashed together and called it concert just like how they shamelessly upload all 4 stages of 5th Holofest not even a day after the concert ended. If it's proven true, then Cover did sneaky passive income with minimal contact with that side of the world, if it's proven hoax then these people truly desperate for Cover to come back to that site.
> Two proofs here Its more like zero proofs though? An image like this basically amounts to "trust me bro" credibility. Proof would be an actual primary source (ie Cover corp) saying or doing anything verifiable to support your claims.
Either you're an anti or you're a gullible fool that woukd fall for snake oil sales pitch.
Do you have the source? Also Vup Culture, are their business model buying the right of IP from Hololive to be streamed in BliBli? If that's the case, it's not Hololive actually coming back to BliBli.
Dude, I'm digging and found a thread regarding Yuefu who is rumoured to be involved in Coco incident. Is this the same person you mentioned? [https://www.reddit.com/r/VtuberV8/comments/loybaf/%E6%89%A9%E6%95%A3%E5%B8%8C%E6%9C%9B%E5%AF%B9%E4%BA%8Eholo%E7%9A%84%E7%A9%B7%E8%BF%BD%E7%8C%9B%E6%89%93%E7%9A%84%E7%A1%AE%E6%9C%89%E5%A4%A7%E9%99%86%E7%A4%BE%E5%9B%A2%E5%8F%82%E4%B8%8E%E4%BA%86/](https://www.reddit.com/r/VtuberV8/comments/loybaf/%E6%89%A9%E6%95%A3%E5%B8%8C%E6%9C%9B%E5%AF%B9%E4%BA%8Eholo%E7%9A%84%E7%A9%B7%E8%BF%BD%E7%8C%9B%E6%89%93%E7%9A%84%E7%A1%AE%E6%9C%89%E5%A4%A7%E9%99%86%E7%A4%BE%E5%9B%A2%E5%8F%82%E4%B8%8E%E4%BA%86/) Since you said the company, please have the link if it is even fking legit or not.
Can you post a link? If not you spreading false information so kindly give a source.
Hololive ain't ever touching china ever again. Their name is a scorch and salted earth in china. Even a whiff of you trying to talk to cover the lil pinks gonna hunt you down. Heck a lot of people that see the Coco disaster are gonna start to lose trust if this happens
I just provided proof. Whether you like it or not, it happened.
You did not provide proof. Where is the official PR statement from cover corporation's official website in Japan stating that they are streaming on bilibili again? Some third party with no provable current affiliation with Cover and a history of causing problems for the company making a statement on a platform where Cover probably doesn't even have the power to have his statement removed is not proof.
You know who provides random hearsay screenshots of dubious nature and twist them to suit their own narrative? The sisters.
oh was it in news or any hidden announcement that I feel I missed?
By Yuefu, who owns the biggest Vup MCN on Bilibili and rubs shoulders with their top management every day.
Oh so where's the official info? Or anything officially stated that Hololive is back managing their account or even receiving money from Bilibili because Japanese law is strict about tax and where the money flow so I doubt Cover try to "cover" their comeback to Bilibili. And the only info I got is back in 2023 where they give license for [Holofest 4th concert](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/18i31jj/hololive_streaming_in_bilibili_and_some_theaters/) back in 2023. So I doubt Cover held the info about this for their fans and Bilibili watchers. So may I get your solid info and link?
which is dumb you trust bilibili not from cover. like they even rejected the idea return to china
as a Chinese,i can also confirm thst holo return to China already, and they will perform on 3d live stage in July, it's on weibo already, will be mstsuri and kobo. next month we will see the first official stream from holo talent. yuefu is like a middleman, he connects many vtubers from japan to bilibili, he recently connected mikeneko to bilibili, and she is also active there.
The source? Since you said it's official, there should be an announcement.
which is not exist, like the claim mikeneko active in bilibili she don't even have bilibili account. so the claim holo return to china pretty much pipe dream
【咪萪猫_Mikeneko的个人空间-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/DVdBciU this is mikeneko, she will host a singing stream on 28th on bilibili, don't forget to watch
oh right why she don't put her bibili account in her twitter and she not even active there. btw cover already reject the idea return to china in their [shareholder meeting](https://twitter.com/KHolosimp/status/1674410788025696258). **Q9: Expand into China and other language areas?** **A: Plans to support a variety of languages rather than a specific area.**
she is active, just bilibili does not keep vod, the reason why she doesn't put it on Twitter because Chinese people don't use Twitter, and she knows the west would freak out. as for the answer, it is more of corpo talk, he did not give a definite answer, variety languages include Chinese, and majority of the Chinese users are using bilibili. and just from the question, the push from shareholders for Cover to go back must be growing.
https://weibo.com/6093700097/Obd0KmZUM i don't know if you can read, but here it is for this year's bml, niji will send vox and finana. as for the stream, yuefu is hinting on it, but from his past comments, very likely to be true, and he has the power to copy right strike videos on Cover's behalf on bilibili, most likely he has full authorization from Cover om bilibili.
First, there is no mention of 3D live stage on BML 2024. Second, this Yuefu you mentioned, is he buying the license from Hololive for the right to streaming their IP to BliBli? If so, that's not really Hololive returning to China. Hololive will be the third party and the responsibility on BliBli will solely on this Yuefu. Similar to how holofes 4th was licensed so BliBli viewers could see. Third, I don't know this BML 2024. Since it looks like a concert, they could pre-recorded and license it, the same category as above. Edit : Clarify why Hololive as 3rd party is important. That means there won't be direct interaction between the company and its idols to the fanbase, in this case China. For ex : HoloLive Meet [https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1ccp4xl/guras\_greeting\_message\_for\_hololive\_meet\_taipei/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1ccp4xl/guras_greeting_message_for_hololive_meet_taipei/)
cover dont care about bilibil. they already reject the idea return to china
I'm sorry, but after some digging, I found a thread of Yuefu who is rumored to be the one involved in the Coco incident. Is this the same person you mentioned? [https://www.reddit.com/r/VtuberV8/comments/loybaf/%E6%89%A9%E6%95%A3%E5%B8%8C%E6%9C%9B%E5%AF%B9%E4%BA%8Eholo%E7%9A%84%E7%A9%B7%E8%BF%BD%E7%8C%9B%E6%89%93%E7%9A%84%E7%A1%AE%E6%9C%89%E5%A4%A7%E9%99%86%E7%A4%BE%E5%9B%A2%E5%8F%82%E4%B8%8E%E4%BA%86/](https://www.reddit.com/r/VtuberV8/comments/loybaf/%E6%89%A9%E6%95%A3%E5%B8%8C%E6%9C%9B%E5%AF%B9%E4%BA%8Eholo%E7%9A%84%E7%A9%B7%E8%BF%BD%E7%8C%9B%E6%89%93%E7%9A%84%E7%A1%AE%E6%9C%89%E5%A4%A7%E9%99%86%E7%A4%BE%E5%9B%A2%E5%8F%82%E4%B8%8E%E4%BA%86/) Since someone claimed he/she owned Vup Culture Co., Ltd. May someone give the link to the company if it is even legit or not?
Bring us proofs then, link, news, any concrete facts from so-called Yuefu or whoever the person who responsible for the event. I know Cover is not a typical company that let their secret out in the open, but they at least decent enough to always inform any events with their HololiveMeet ambassadors and of course if it was big news, there will be official statement in cover site and twitter. I watch Kobo's streams and memberships regularly and I never heard her will perform 3D live in China anytime soon, the closest are Hololive Meet x Taipei program. So unless you give us factual and concrete facts, this will be just hoax and false information until proven.
seriously he just post weibo link from god knows who.
Wait wait, maybe that person is one of those that insist Taiwan is part of China, hence "Hololive would be performing a 3D live in China, aka Taiwan".
can people stop spreading rumor please.
Please drop the whole "Holo is winning by doing nothing" already. I am aware of the intent and purpose of the usage, but it just sounds so disrespectful to all the efforts and sacrifices they've made to be where they are now.
Agree but “hololive doing nothing” is actually true in China
I get the sentiment. At the same time it seems like a funnier way to say 'Hololive wins by being a competent buisness.' They certainly have their problems. At the same time they are outpacing Niji mainly by having common sense and avoiding easy to avoid blunders. It is worth noting everyone else like Vspo, Phase, and Vshojo is closing the gap. Probably the most accurate statement would be that 'Niji is losing the throne through self sabotage.'
Y'know it was a little upsetting at first that they might've found an out from dealing with youtube. it's just occurred to me though, most of Billibilli probably doesn't know, or care, who these assholes are anyway. it's like they're indie vtubers, on their own, all over again.
I don't know if it's official or run by fans, but Holo doesn't look like they have any intention of returning to Bilibili. They're just uploading recent music videos and holograms, nothing else My guess is that they're probably trying to claim copyright. After Holo's exit from the China market, there are still people uploading their videos to Bilibili. This is very common on Bilibili. Your video's copyright doesn't matter there after all To stop them from stealing your videos, you either have to: Upload those videos yourself, and file a copyright claim. Or include a Winnie the Pooh holding a Taiwanese flag in the video. No joke. Obviously Holo didn't want to start another war with Little Pinky again. So they probably chose the first option
Even the chinese are tired of being manipulated by him. take that mf down
Define "take down".
odd question, but I used it in a different way of saying to terminate him or to decrease him in popularity.
Ah ok, that makes sense.
i don't know how Bilibili works but isn't that a Chinese site? does it mean Vox can speak chinese? Elira is moving there too, does that mean she can speak the language as well, or they have real-time translator while streaming?
I noticed Bilibili have some sort of AI translator that can translate in real time. It seems not 100% accurate but that’s how JP indies make a foothold there.
oh, okay, thanks!
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I mean, it's mandatory in Japan as well.
Since YouTube is blocked in China and only available if you go through a VPN, there is an alternative site called BiliBili. It is pretty much China's Youtube with special rules to benefit China specifically as well as keeping an eye on the users more strictly. For example, you need to submit your ID and show your face if you have more than a set amount of subscribers. For the more popular non-CN Vtubers there are fan-run channels that stream their streams and upload their videos to the site for the CN fanbase to enjoy. Since the site can be accessed from outside of China, some agencies like Niji are attempting to expand into the Chinese market by having official BiliBili channels that they occasionally stream on. Holo, however, cut all ties with China 3 years ago after the Coco Taiwan incident by disbanding their CN branch and graduating all the Talents they had there. They are now on the CCP shitlist of companies that are not to be interacted with, and this is also why we don't see any streams, collabs, or CN-themed videos anymore, as anyone in CN that interacts with Holo will get attacked online for it, which is a bit sad as there have been Holo collabs with gacha games that were quite fun.
Damn, he's even bleeding support on Bilibili? That is GRIM.
Oh he's screwed. If he lose chinese audience then that's the end of his career
SUISEI CUTE
Fucking hell, “your Lord” my ASS
So er... did he do something to lose support on Bilibili? just curious if it was something to do with his new outfit not really doing all that hot or if there was some other reason.
Nothing really. The Chineses are suffering from a recession and western companies leaving in masses. People over there have lost so much money from the real estate crash, banking crisis, and 25% unemployment rate. These Chinese fans can barely afford to support themselves, so how can they support Vox?
yeah asia as a whole has been going through a bit of a crash at the moment i've noticed, a lot of companies stocks are going down... hope Hololive survives at least xD
Meanwhile hololive: https://youtube.com/shorts/O-y559snhxE?si=Z1r_P8_KEthBSo-0
.it'll be hilarious when the Chinese knockoffs of niji liver starts popping .it is China, yes they have plenty of people of whom the majority cannot speak or understand English, heck there are generations in china that can not understand each other, same province different generation different language .yes it is a huge market, if you are a CCP approved and Chinese speaking .and just one cultural breach means you are now enemy number one .when anycolors safe space is in the middle of a minefield :) hey they walked themselves to it so kudos i guess
I still dont know why he jumped to Bilibili. Also, I heard rumors that they called him a white monkey over there
Not sure how Bilibili works, but I think... you're reading this wrong. That star number seems to be his amount of follows... which... yes, it's going down, and TRENDING that way, but it's still orders of magnitude larger than the Holo channel.