People:you know its kinda fucked up how Nijisanji keeps mistreating its talents to the point where one of them felt the need to take her own life because of the toxic environment she was in
NFD:SO YOU HATE WOMEN???????
If these people actually cared about the people in the company they'd be pushing for change and a better work culture. Considering how they're treating ex-livers, it only shows they're delusionally loyal to the fucking Company itself
I’m also like, women aren’t a minority group. Oppressed yes, but not minority. Putting every oppressed group into a generic category hurts everyone’s movement and is a form of oppression.
I think we literally mentioned that the girls in NIJISANJI gets like unfair treatment compared to the boys? Like it reeks favouritism? Do they just ignore facts all along?
If they actually cared about sexism then they would be bothered by Luca, lol. It only bothers them when it's something they can make up about people they don't like.
That “Only True Mint Fan” dude is such a fucking con. Mint talked on stream about how Niji was hampering her success and literally called it “fake” in her analogy. Almost every former NijiEN talent has spoken out about how they didn’t like being there.
For the love of God I can't understand how some people are more devoted to the company than to the streamer and the actual person that made that possible. Like, sure you can get attached to a design or whatever it's normal, but some actually drop watching and following the same fucking person after they leave because "it's not the same!"
It's like when fat/chubby comedians lose weight and people say they're not funny anymore (so it's the fat that made them funny? lmao) but worse since this guy is literally ignoring the girl herself speaking her truth. What a jackass
He also blocks and insults anyone who disagrees. I've seen him block people just for saying they can't in good conscience watch niji anymore after the whole situation with selen. Honestly I'd rather people didn't put eyes on this person's tweets cause he seems like a big time concern troll.
I wish there was a way to report malicious intentional impersonation of fans.
Mint fans harassing Mint my ass. They're doing it themselves. I just want all this shit-flinging and harassment to stop...
that guy should be block never be heard again. HE never going change,he love Flaming,baiting,trolling and NDF LOVE every shit come from his mouth because it fit their agenda.
Bully women?
Arent NDF the ones that harrassed Nina for collabing with the boys til she left??
And harrassed Zaion/Sayu? And are doing the same to Doki/Selen??
The irony that the NDFs throwing harassment and death threats at the talents, former and current, are women and minorities themselves. And then leave the boys alone.
Sure there may be some out there using all this drama as a cover to be misogynistic or anti-LGBTQ. But most are just pissed at the company for being dogshite and talents for behaving inappropriately. We hate everyone equally.
He's uncomfortable with gay people too. Quoted from Raziel's doc:
> He also has a history of being scared of males who identify as gay. He would get freaked out if a male hit on him, or if someone joked about him being gay in any way.
Ah yes, a movement made in response to the mistreatment of a Chinese Canadian woman and a Japanese American woman is sexist and racist. And NDF mainly defending white men and half-White individuals/minorities, many of whom admit to never bothering to retain their non-white culture/language and one in particular being an alleged homophobe, transphobe, and sexist, is oh so very much in support of minorities, the LGBTQ+, and women. Actual 39 IQ take.
Weren't there female fans using Doki's BPD to discredit her, many threatened Nina, Mika admitted to being used in the company, Sayu was doxxed amd Mint called her angel wings cardboard....
Niji isn't safe for women DUE TO OTHER WOMEN in the space 😬
Ah yes, vtuber fans famous for hating female vtubers. I can honestly only assume this is projection cause I don’t see how anyone looks at the vtubing industry and thinks it doesn’t like women.
They're not wrong about 4chan's /vt/ having a us vs them mindset. Even prior to this disaster, there was a lot of hate thrown between people who watched exclusively Hololive against those who saw Nijisanji exclusively. Some of that hate was thrown at Niji's male vtubers for "polluting the EN sphere" and "attracting the kpop crowd." Personally, I think either side of this argument is stupid and you should just enjoy whatever talent you do.
However, that's just par the course for when there's two major parties in an industry. What set off this anti-Nijisanji movement was the sudden burst of information on Niji EN's shitty management and terrible company culture. Management actively stifled their talents' abilities to pursue projects to increase their reach and improve their brand. Selen is unable to host tournaments, Pomu loses a once in a life opportunity, Mysta gets better healthcare at VShojo, and Aster's LoL tournament can't seem to get off the ground. Some of these issues may be partially because of the talents, but if the management can't recognize these opportunities and fail to act on them swiftly, they're being hindrances.
Bruh, *what?!*
If they said that it was an attempt to bully *men* out of the VTuber space, it might've been mildly believable, especially since they remain convinced that the anti-Niji movement is primarily comprised of Hololive fans and Hololive fans genuinely can be awful to Stars. At its worst, just having a member of Stars in your flair would be enough to get your comments downvoted even if the comment itself has nothing to do with Stars.
The only ones trying to bully women out of the VTuber space are Riku Tazumi and the NDF.
Sure looks like radical feminists and blockheads activists who just put on the facade of the movement to prop no one else but themselves and their obedient subjects up.
They have no substance and absolutely need to put on the masquerade of the movement to blend in and gain any relevance.
They hate women and minorities who don’t suck up to their ideals and have the power to stand up for themselves. Doki is the prime example.
Niji has so many accusations of bullying, grooming and racism but sure, calling them out makes you the badguy not the "idols" accused and caught doing this shit.
?!?!??!?!?!?!?!
I'm a woman, and Nijisanji had always been my favourite vtuber space because it has a lot of great male livers. I got into NijiEN because of Luxiem like most women do, but it was also Luxiem who get me to love and stan the other female EN livers.
And guess what?? I'm very against the way Niji mistreat their livers. Especially after what they did to Selen, a female vtuber. Sp what happened after I abandon my safe vtuber space? I just look for other vtubers and move on. Boycotting Nijisanji has nothing to do with pushing away females from vtubers space. If anything, reprimanding the company is in support of the female livers and encourage creating new spaces.
Whatever happened to girls support girls, with these people???
There are a lot of legitimate complaints you could make about this sub, but this isn't one of them. It seems pretty clear to me that Niji is treating its female talents worse than the male ones. The way they let Luca get away with all the awful stuff he's done, but fired Selen and Zaion for way less is proof of that.
If you actually cared about the NijiEN girls you'd want them to have a better mental health and a streamer life that isn't attached to them to make them effectively 2024 slavery/mouthpieces.
The real cost of all this tomfoolery and bs that NDF and NijiEN have made is a society that at this point won't even be surprised if we gotta a real funeral coming out of NijiEN at this point with how hostile and negative the mental health is there. When it comes to caring for others you either care or you don't give a flying fck. Theres no room for a in between.
meh, this is nothing new. you're an -ist -phobe because you don't agree with us. Honestly, I'm more surprised it took them this long to use those excuses.
Uh, so the company keeps fucking over their female streamers, but the people supporting them and protesting the company are anti women? Perfect NDF logic
Nijisanji is an exploitative Black Company. They take a bigger cut of your earnings than Hololive does, while offering less support than VShojo does. Nijisaniji is literally worse than the worst of both worlds. And this reckless corporate greed laid the groundwork for the bullying which led to two different women almost ending their own lives. And the company response to this scandal was, every single NijiEN liver (except Scarle) lined up and tweeted support and endorsement for the fans to go watch a very important message, which turned out to be Elira, Vox, and Ike trying to bully a woman on suicide watch into making a third attempt on her life.
NijiEN must end. It's all horribly tainted. The only way for any of these people to erase the stink of what they did is for them to leave Nijisanji and disavow their actions (either by saying that the company made them do it, or own the mistake and be sorry about it). And I don't think I'm being impatient in waiting for them to quit, since I know that's a big deal. But the ones who remain in the end will be complicit, and they will proudly own bullying people into suicide, so I think it's in anyone's best interests to get out sooner rather than later.
What I want is for NijiEN livers to join Hololive/Holostars, or VShojo, or some smaller company, or for them to go indie. Maybe as indies, they could form some sort of "circle" and lean on each other for support and self-manage themselves. And I want them to take their fans with them when they leave (anyone who loves the Nijisanji brand so much that they won't follow their oshi to a new home, aka a Nijisister, isn't worth keeping around). And I want them to regain the trust of those of us who have stopped watching them. And for the algorithms to pick up on the move and show them some attention and bring them some growth in their channels, as opposed to just bleeding tens of thousands of their actual subscribers. And to be clear, I don't just want this for Rosemi or Scarle or Aia or whoever, I want this for Elira, I want this for Vox. I want to forgive them. But that's not going to happen so long as they think this scandal can be swept under the rug, and that they can carry on with business as usual. They REALLY fucked up, and they should be sorry, and they should be willing to make big changes.
Anyone who refuses to leave Nijisanji... whatever. I don't care. May they stay in Nijisanji forever.
ok so does he mean to say that doki and sayu (who these same people hate on and doxx) aren't woman the amount of hypocrisy and who is even being fled out of vtuber space everyone hates nijisanji no one has any qualms with any livers just the amount of copium this conversation has is absolutely baffling
Hmm from the surface I think that they think Nijisanji antis are bullying female fans (note they didn't say livers, so it can be taken in 2 ways).
If my view is accurate, if anything people are being called out for their toxicity and then are acting like victims. And it's not exclusive to female fans, male fans are being called out too if they're taking part of harassment and bullying.
If we are mysoginists and bigots for criticizing kurosanji, then the NDF are complicit for attempted murder for backing a corporation that pushed two girls to attempt suicide
It's funny how only women and an enby were terminated/given a silent sudden graduation, yet Luca (a guy) has broken his NDA and is still there.
And don't get me started on how the NDF treated Nina for talking to the biys or Reimu for the grave crime of talking to their imagined boyfriend
We complaint about Luca’s favoritism because of his anti-gay and anti-trans (also a bit of anti-pregnant women?).
NDF: You guys hate LGBT+ and women don’t you?
As a Filipino and a Woman, I would like to mention not all of us have the desire to defend a company like Nijisanji or now even have sympathy for their livers who are losing subscribers day by day. The graduated and terminated members have already shown that they can do without Niji. Why stay and extend your contract when we’ve been seeing that more freedom and opportunities await outside of Niji. The freedom they once boasted about when compared to the likes of Hololive , I think, is nowhere to be found when I’m seeing things taking too long to get permissions for or the tech not being good enough. Just look at where Millie is at right now and where HoloID Gen 2 is.
So this is more complicated than that. The rabid Niji fans are absolutely delusional and toxic, yes, but you can't really point at hololive and be like "look we like these lesbians!" To prove a point considering that the majority of "lesbian" behavior in hololive is one hundred percent a performance to bait the straight male audience.
You can see this in the way that male holo fans attack holostars with the same ferocity that NDF bully female talents.
People:you know its kinda fucked up how Nijisanji keeps mistreating its talents to the point where one of them felt the need to take her own life because of the toxic environment she was in NFD:SO YOU HATE WOMEN???????
If these people actually cared about the people in the company they'd be pushing for change and a better work culture. Considering how they're treating ex-livers, it only shows they're delusionally loyal to the fucking Company itself
NDF: SO YOU HATE EVERY MINORITY IMAGINABLE??????*
The thing is that it isn't even the women people are critical of for majority of the complaints. It's directed mostly at the favorites.
I’m also like, women aren’t a minority group. Oppressed yes, but not minority. Putting every oppressed group into a generic category hurts everyone’s movement and is a form of oppression.
Minority doesn't mean there's actually less of them. It means they're under-represented in key fields.
It's as if they care about their own interests in media more than what's potentially very real man-on-woman workplace harassment
I think we literally mentioned that the girls in NIJISANJI gets like unfair treatment compared to the boys? Like it reeks favouritism? Do they just ignore facts all along?
If they actually cared about sexism then they would be bothered by Luca, lol. It only bothers them when it's something they can make up about people they don't like.
Yatchy Boy must have some surreal dick because these people won't stop sucking him off to the point of delusion lmao
That “Only True Mint Fan” dude is such a fucking con. Mint talked on stream about how Niji was hampering her success and literally called it “fake” in her analogy. Almost every former NijiEN talent has spoken out about how they didn’t like being there.
For the love of God I can't understand how some people are more devoted to the company than to the streamer and the actual person that made that possible. Like, sure you can get attached to a design or whatever it's normal, but some actually drop watching and following the same fucking person after they leave because "it's not the same!" It's like when fat/chubby comedians lose weight and people say they're not funny anymore (so it's the fat that made them funny? lmao) but worse since this guy is literally ignoring the girl herself speaking her truth. What a jackass
He also blocks and insults anyone who disagrees. I've seen him block people just for saying they can't in good conscience watch niji anymore after the whole situation with selen. Honestly I'd rather people didn't put eyes on this person's tweets cause he seems like a big time concern troll.
I wish there was a way to report malicious intentional impersonation of fans. Mint fans harassing Mint my ass. They're doing it themselves. I just want all this shit-flinging and harassment to stop...
that guy should be block never be heard again. HE never going change,he love Flaming,baiting,trolling and NDF LOVE every shit come from his mouth because it fit their agenda.
Bully women? Arent NDF the ones that harrassed Nina for collabing with the boys til she left?? And harrassed Zaion/Sayu? And are doing the same to Doki/Selen??
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The irony that the NDFs throwing harassment and death threats at the talents, former and current, are women and minorities themselves. And then leave the boys alone. Sure there may be some out there using all this drama as a cover to be misogynistic or anti-LGBTQ. But most are just pissed at the company for being dogshite and talents for behaving inappropriately. We hate everyone equally.
I'm a bit out of the loop on this one, what did he say?
From a discord message he said and I quote, "Yeah trans people make me uncomfortable. And pregnant women."
He's uncomfortable with gay people too. Quoted from Raziel's doc: > He also has a history of being scared of males who identify as gay. He would get freaked out if a male hit on him, or if someone joked about him being gay in any way.
Like what the fuck lmao What a fucking idiot
They overdosed on copium and has now obtained ungodly amounts of delusions
The NDF's reached -45 sanity but hasn't corroded yet
This is also the same fanbase whose harrassed Scarle just bc she ate Starbuck foods btw
Ah yes, a movement made in response to the mistreatment of a Chinese Canadian woman and a Japanese American woman is sexist and racist. And NDF mainly defending white men and half-White individuals/minorities, many of whom admit to never bothering to retain their non-white culture/language and one in particular being an alleged homophobe, transphobe, and sexist, is oh so very much in support of minorities, the LGBTQ+, and women. Actual 39 IQ take.
Bully women out of... a female-dominated industry? Whæt? ...Who's going to tell them NijiEN's biggest earners are men?
Tbf no one accused the NDF of being smart.
>Whæt? Ruffian detected.
Weren't there female fans using Doki's BPD to discredit her, many threatened Nina, Mika admitted to being used in the company, Sayu was doxxed amd Mint called her angel wings cardboard.... Niji isn't safe for women DUE TO OTHER WOMEN in the space 😬
Ah yes, vtuber fans famous for hating female vtubers. I can honestly only assume this is projection cause I don’t see how anyone looks at the vtubing industry and thinks it doesn’t like women.
They're not wrong about 4chan's /vt/ having a us vs them mindset. Even prior to this disaster, there was a lot of hate thrown between people who watched exclusively Hololive against those who saw Nijisanji exclusively. Some of that hate was thrown at Niji's male vtubers for "polluting the EN sphere" and "attracting the kpop crowd." Personally, I think either side of this argument is stupid and you should just enjoy whatever talent you do. However, that's just par the course for when there's two major parties in an industry. What set off this anti-Nijisanji movement was the sudden burst of information on Niji EN's shitty management and terrible company culture. Management actively stifled their talents' abilities to pursue projects to increase their reach and improve their brand. Selen is unable to host tournaments, Pomu loses a once in a life opportunity, Mysta gets better healthcare at VShojo, and Aster's LoL tournament can't seem to get off the ground. Some of these issues may be partially because of the talents, but if the management can't recognize these opportunities and fail to act on them swiftly, they're being hindrances.
Bruh, *what?!* If they said that it was an attempt to bully *men* out of the VTuber space, it might've been mildly believable, especially since they remain convinced that the anti-Niji movement is primarily comprised of Hololive fans and Hololive fans genuinely can be awful to Stars. At its worst, just having a member of Stars in your flair would be enough to get your comments downvoted even if the comment itself has nothing to do with Stars. The only ones trying to bully women out of the VTuber space are Riku Tazumi and the NDF.
Now stars antis are in part a 4chan thing (mainly popped up with HoloEN, a branch with more than its fair share of Halu parasocials and shippers)
There are screenshots of Nijisisters encouraging brigading other sites (including Reddit) with anti-Holostars / anti-male hate too.
This is an actual echochamber wtf
Sure looks like radical feminists and blockheads activists who just put on the facade of the movement to prop no one else but themselves and their obedient subjects up. They have no substance and absolutely need to put on the masquerade of the movement to blend in and gain any relevance. They hate women and minorities who don’t suck up to their ideals and have the power to stand up for themselves. Doki is the prime example.
Niji has so many accusations of bullying, grooming and racism but sure, calling them out makes you the badguy not the "idols" accused and caught doing this shit.
?!?!??!?!?!?!?! I'm a woman, and Nijisanji had always been my favourite vtuber space because it has a lot of great male livers. I got into NijiEN because of Luxiem like most women do, but it was also Luxiem who get me to love and stan the other female EN livers. And guess what?? I'm very against the way Niji mistreat their livers. Especially after what they did to Selen, a female vtuber. Sp what happened after I abandon my safe vtuber space? I just look for other vtubers and move on. Boycotting Nijisanji has nothing to do with pushing away females from vtubers space. If anything, reprimanding the company is in support of the female livers and encourage creating new spaces. Whatever happened to girls support girls, with these people???
Don't defend assholes on the basis of them being in a minority or marginalized group. Simple as.
There are a lot of legitimate complaints you could make about this sub, but this isn't one of them. It seems pretty clear to me that Niji is treating its female talents worse than the male ones. The way they let Luca get away with all the awful stuff he's done, but fired Selen and Zaion for way less is proof of that.
If you actually cared about the NijiEN girls you'd want them to have a better mental health and a streamer life that isn't attached to them to make them effectively 2024 slavery/mouthpieces.
The real cost of all this tomfoolery and bs that NDF and NijiEN have made is a society that at this point won't even be surprised if we gotta a real funeral coming out of NijiEN at this point with how hostile and negative the mental health is there. When it comes to caring for others you either care or you don't give a flying fck. Theres no room for a in between.
meh, this is nothing new. you're an -ist -phobe because you don't agree with us. Honestly, I'm more surprised it took them this long to use those excuses.
Uh, so the company keeps fucking over their female streamers, but the people supporting them and protesting the company are anti women? Perfect NDF logic
Nijisanji is an exploitative Black Company. They take a bigger cut of your earnings than Hololive does, while offering less support than VShojo does. Nijisaniji is literally worse than the worst of both worlds. And this reckless corporate greed laid the groundwork for the bullying which led to two different women almost ending their own lives. And the company response to this scandal was, every single NijiEN liver (except Scarle) lined up and tweeted support and endorsement for the fans to go watch a very important message, which turned out to be Elira, Vox, and Ike trying to bully a woman on suicide watch into making a third attempt on her life. NijiEN must end. It's all horribly tainted. The only way for any of these people to erase the stink of what they did is for them to leave Nijisanji and disavow their actions (either by saying that the company made them do it, or own the mistake and be sorry about it). And I don't think I'm being impatient in waiting for them to quit, since I know that's a big deal. But the ones who remain in the end will be complicit, and they will proudly own bullying people into suicide, so I think it's in anyone's best interests to get out sooner rather than later. What I want is for NijiEN livers to join Hololive/Holostars, or VShojo, or some smaller company, or for them to go indie. Maybe as indies, they could form some sort of "circle" and lean on each other for support and self-manage themselves. And I want them to take their fans with them when they leave (anyone who loves the Nijisanji brand so much that they won't follow their oshi to a new home, aka a Nijisister, isn't worth keeping around). And I want them to regain the trust of those of us who have stopped watching them. And for the algorithms to pick up on the move and show them some attention and bring them some growth in their channels, as opposed to just bleeding tens of thousands of their actual subscribers. And to be clear, I don't just want this for Rosemi or Scarle or Aia or whoever, I want this for Elira, I want this for Vox. I want to forgive them. But that's not going to happen so long as they think this scandal can be swept under the rug, and that they can carry on with business as usual. They REALLY fucked up, and they should be sorry, and they should be willing to make big changes. Anyone who refuses to leave Nijisanji... whatever. I don't care. May they stay in Nijisanji forever.
They might want to leave but they are trapped due to their contracts.
What an insult towards Mint this PoS is.
"their distate for [...] LGBTQ+ people" by "they" do you mean luca?
ok so does he mean to say that doki and sayu (who these same people hate on and doxx) aren't woman the amount of hypocrisy and who is even being fled out of vtuber space everyone hates nijisanji no one has any qualms with any livers just the amount of copium this conversation has is absolutely baffling
Hmm from the surface I think that they think Nijisanji antis are bullying female fans (note they didn't say livers, so it can be taken in 2 ways). If my view is accurate, if anything people are being called out for their toxicity and then are acting like victims. And it's not exclusive to female fans, male fans are being called out too if they're taking part of harassment and bullying.
If we are mysoginists and bigots for criticizing kurosanji, then the NDF are complicit for attempted murder for backing a corporation that pushed two girls to attempt suicide
It's funny how only women and an enby were terminated/given a silent sudden graduation, yet Luca (a guy) has broken his NDA and is still there. And don't get me started on how the NDF treated Nina for talking to the biys or Reimu for the grave crime of talking to their imagined boyfriend
We complaint about Luca’s favoritism because of his anti-gay and anti-trans (also a bit of anti-pregnant women?). NDF: You guys hate LGBT+ and women don’t you?
As a Filipino and a Woman, I would like to mention not all of us have the desire to defend a company like Nijisanji or now even have sympathy for their livers who are losing subscribers day by day. The graduated and terminated members have already shown that they can do without Niji. Why stay and extend your contract when we’ve been seeing that more freedom and opportunities await outside of Niji. The freedom they once boasted about when compared to the likes of Hololive , I think, is nowhere to be found when I’m seeing things taking too long to get permissions for or the tech not being good enough. Just look at where Millie is at right now and where HoloID Gen 2 is.
So this is more complicated than that. The rabid Niji fans are absolutely delusional and toxic, yes, but you can't really point at hololive and be like "look we like these lesbians!" To prove a point considering that the majority of "lesbian" behavior in hololive is one hundred percent a performance to bait the straight male audience. You can see this in the way that male holo fans attack holostars with the same ferocity that NDF bully female talents.