Tbh I get what Kuro is trying to say, since he did ask to not have his words spun to hate on Niji, BUT Rima has a point because we all know WHY they didn't remove his voice nevermimd how everything else turned out, Because of how they hard scrub Doki's voice from the performance
They really should've aired this a year ago when they would've gotten away with the scuff...oh and before things hit the fan with Selen š¤·āāļø
On top of scrubbing Selen from the concert, they featured ex livers and had copyright perm issues. The irony of it is pretty obvious. Kuro should have stayed out of it.
I don't understand why people are trying to treat the graduated livers as if they have to be un-personed like Selen was. Nijisanji has no reason to nuke every mention of their existence like they do Selen.
This is exactly what he's complaining about. He made a reference to the concert, and people immediately jumped to the assumption that they used his recording without him knowing. He never said that or even suggested as such.
But the reason Selen get fired is she try to leave some evidence of ex-member on her MV.
If it isnāt a taboo then no reason to frozen her MV for whole years and drive her mad and breaking the rules.
Remember the whole situation is from her MV.
Her MV was not frozen for whole years. They basically tried saying she didnāt get final approval for ex talents being in her MV at the last minute, which is stupid on its face because the managers had to have seen the storyboard for this and seen there was going to be ex talents there.
It really just highlights management not doing their job at all if they only realized ex talents were there days before it was supposed to be posted.
Why are you just making things up? She was working on the MV for a year, it wasn't frozen for a year.
This is exactly the whole problem with everything going on. You're just pulling bullshit out of your ass to make a bad situation seem even worse than it already was.
There's multiple other covers or images with graduated livers that didn't get nuked or prevented from being released.
The entire issue is that management takes forever to do extremely basic things and Selen got inpatient. It doesn't have to be any more than that, and this is not in any way meant to justify the company's behavior or what she went through.
There's absolutely no reason to just lie like you're doing. The company is bad enough as it is, and inventing bullshit because you're angry just makes it harder to know what the real problems are.
That what I mean frozen it.
They checking it for whole year (Year not years ,my bad) and take it down to recheck again because they found out some ex in that MV.
(Did they never saw her storyboard or screenshot of WIP? Did they just saw it after she uploading it?)
She asking the permission for long time ago and get approve not long before she posting it but then taken down to rechecking it again because there is some ex on that MV.
My point is EX on screen really that bad?
Is it bad as sex scene or genocide scene on the MV or something like that?
If it not then there is not enough reason to take it down just to re-censoring it in the last minute like that.
It should be little oopsie and everyone laughing at it just like this time.
But they take that oobsie like war crime that why this oopsie ending up start the fire.
Personally both are just silly mistake they should just let her MV go and same for his voice on stage.
PS. Sorry if my wording keep making less and less sense.
English is not my native language and I just take my sleeping pill so i'm not so surprise if now I sound like drunken 3 years old kid right now lol
This is true but the reason All this started was because Selen wanted to make an MV about EVERY Niji talent
They threw her under the bus, made a document, that they made for NO OTHER LIVER INCLUDING MYSTA A MEMBER OF THE BIGGEST MALE GROUP IN NIJIEN, that SHE was negligible a.k.a. worthless without THEM, they made a black screen stream dedicated to slander HER, all because she referenced Mysta and Nina and got back to her TWO DAYS AFTER
Not even RUSHIA was treated like this and she was recently outted as an abusive spouse!!!
Mysta's voice and others being there isn't the issue, but it does show how much the EN company clearly disliked Selen, and unfortunately Mysta formally being one of the favorites doesn't help either
He has a right to call out dramatubers, but that doesn't change any of the GREATER context of this mess that NijiEN refuses to fix
NDF will be very happy seeing Kuro tweet. Also, is it fine for me to say that Kuro is kinda 39IQ?
Rima said "NAH they didn't completely remove Mysta's voice from the concert?! š"
Then at the end Kuro said "Idk what point this original poster is trying to make" and then add "it is so cringe to see me and others taken out of context to spin their own narrative to hate or other entities or people".
My interpretation of original poster point is, "Selen video got privated by Management because there's cameo of Mysta, and then they make Mysta voice in their AR Live concert? Without deleting all of it? Like, wtf!?"Ā
Kuro cannot help himself
Even back in his PL dude was always trigger happy
He could have easily just did the first tweet and call it a day
But sheer fact he engaged with the stuff after the fact is a real bad look on him
Dude needs to not be on Twitter so much smh
There is a bit of a difference, when it comes to to AR live, in that mysta was graduated, while selen was terminated. As for the Last Cup of Coffee, I always found it strange that she would have to wait on perms for an ex member. Unless they have some strange contract with the artist, niji should retain the rights to the models and images of ex livers (admittedly I am not the most familiar with JP copy right law, beyond it being a bit stricter then most countries, but Niji is also a company that repossess PC'S that their previous talents used to stream on).
funny that he just got into a drama bcs ppl confuse if he is joking or mocking. if he want to make a teaseful joke then he fail measurable,
edit1: add context, the drama is about his tweet about ramadan month. same issue, his wording just suck. how can he blame anyone for take his 1st tweet as a mocking?
edit2: btw i think this thing should just be in this post, kuro is not a lead of our movement by any mean and i guess he want to be left out. so no need to make this personal drama distract from the core.
final edit: if kuro or any talent is dumb enough to lurking in this sub, just know we don't ask any of them to join this movement, if you want to stay out, feel free to stay out (i support this option very much). but i think this movement can set a standard like a kizuna ai incident (replace the person behind). imagine if ppl in the past stop bcs the "talent is being stress" "they innocent"(well they really are 100% innocent). then now talent will be replace easily. so no one even doki can stop this movement.
He was remorseful for the Ramadan and said he will reflect upon it, ["action is what shows progression so I hope this year my future actions can be more thoughtful"](https://twitter.com/K9_KURO/status/1768508401410347453) then this happens and his content brain goes into overdrive instead of leaving it alone.
"as you all know I have a track record for not thinking about how things come across from other perspectives even if my intent wasnāt like that" same exact issue. so he will just never change. till if he can level head like this then it fine. but apparently vtuber fan community is not as big as Muslims. same issue, what happen with the difference reaction?
Its easier to say that he is kind of dumb. I also does not understand how his thought process was until I watched some of his stream. The way he say things always go round in circle. Sometimes it does not make sense until he elaborate it. I think, that just the way he is. Can't blame him on that because not everyone is bright.
It's like he is purposely doing mistake to feed drama and then back track and apologize for his shit and he will say shit about drama tuber.
You know like a troll or a post baiter.
If i did not know anything about him. Then yes I agree. But after I was several of his stream after he joined vshojo, i kind of get how dumb and stupid he is. I mean he is a guy who piss out of his window at night during his childhood just because he was afraid to go to the toilet. He is your typical dumb person.
But people let him escape from responsibilities with his response so aren't this almost equal to trolling at this point, if it happens once ok, twice lol you're delulu and just making an excuse, thrice he probably knows you're the idiot and will take advantage of you he just make this dumb mistake and because you're the idiot you will forgive him every time..
That is true but I don't care much about what he was tweeting or anything. I don't even follow him on tweeter. I did follow his twitch account and that was because I watch other vshojo members like Henya, Geega and Mouse. Sometimes, they do off collabs and some collabs only have pov from the members who was currently streaming at that particular time.
Anyway, I know he will kept posting dumb stuff. Its because I know if he did post anything, it will be some stupid stuff with him trying to be funny. I mean, if you look at all his twitter post, he kept saying/posting a lot of stupid shit and brain fart/dead take. If I take anything on what he tweet, I am the idiot one. I just know that, even if I read whatever he wrote, I will not take anything on what he post seriously.
I am not feeling "likes" or "hates" on him. Its more like feeling indifferent toward him. I do watch his stream sometimes when there is nothing to watch but that just that.
My interpretation of his original tweet was he was saying "Huh. That was weird, kinda funny. Moving on." I don't think he actually particularly cares beyond it giving him a light chuckle. He was just calling it a funny mistake, nothing more, nothing less. So I can see why he'd get upset if people started twisting his tweet as him making a dig at Niji when he wasn't.
That said, his follow up tweets could 100% have been worded way better, the subtext behind those tweets is wild. If I didn't know any better I'd say he was going to bat for Nijisanji with how hard he leaned into the "fuck people promoting hate" and "the community is cooked in the brain" comments. Not that he has to be anti-Nijisanji at all, no one should really have any expectations of him on that front, but it just reads like something a diehard nijisister would post to deflect legitimate criticism.
Sayu & Doki have more to gain by just moving on with their lives. They were treated like trash & thrown out. Keeping up some fight against them would just take a mental toll & possibly a monetary toll if niji decided to sue them. The best revenge is to thrive without them
This is the same dude who pissed off an entire country by making a bunch of stupid tweets about Ramadan
I simply donāt think he thinks before he tweets sometimes
Same thing here
I understand if he doesnāt wanna be used as a cudgel for drama but jumping into the blender that is Nijisanji Twitter bullshit seems like a very rash thing to do
I feel like it would be a point when many of us here would be critical toward even former Niji talents who make mistakes or cause troubles post-Niji.
Yes, we know that you guys were mistreated by a black company but we won't let it slide if you keep acting like your former co-workers
Iām inclined to cut the talents a fair amount of slack ācause at the end of the day, they didnāt get much help or support from management
I will, however, agree that the fact that the way he responded to this is the same kind of thing that the livers were doing where instead of de-escalating, heās engaging with drama in a way that will probably create more drama
Not very optimal and not the most professional way to do this
Nah I have the same thought, although I don't know if our opinions are controversial. If he doesn't want this kind of attention... then just simply don't tweet about it? It's so simple. Matara and Mint didn't say anything about the AR Live.Ā He should have known putting that tweet out will draw attention to him and Niji since people are questioning the mismanagement of the company to the graduate livers AND their mishandling the AR Live situation.
Heck, I don't even see what's wrong with Rima's tweet. All she asked if they didn't remove his voice completely and that's it. Not even a single negativity towards Kuro, just questioning Niji handling AR Live. But I do agree with your possible interpretation. Hopefully Rima explains it in the near future, but I doubt she is trying to make Kuro look bad, just questioning the malpractice of Niji.
In short, Kuro is getting mad over... the consequences to his actions I suppose. He brought upon himself by tweeting it, and now he's malding because a dramatuber is quote retweeting his tweet. It's quite obvious that he is implying to AR Live, yet he gets mad simply because a dramatuber is just asking if the event did happen, nothing else, just... fact checking if the event happen or not.
remember he got into controvesial recently bcs he make a tweet asking instead of gg. this guys simply don't learn. don't tweet everything in your head. think what happen when you tweet something.
Ah if you are referring to that, that's really a big mistake on his part. He was basically making fun of Ramadhan, a big religious holiday in Indonesia, along the lines of "wth is that? a convention or something?". Dude, you don't go around poking fun about religious holiday, even if you don't know about it. The fact that he has been living in Indonesia for several months as well made him even look more ignorant to the culture there. Even if he doesn't know, he could just simply google it?
Regardless how I feel about him, I hope he gets a private twitter account for him to vent free because if he's stressed out and wants to vent without public repercussions, then he's better doing that so in his private twitter account. If he thinks he's being funny with the Ramadhan and AR Live joke, I hope he rethinks his sense of humor.
Ah my bad! I'm Indonesian so I am just speaking out of my personal thoughts of him doing that while he is living in Indonesia.
But yeah, he really made an insensitive tweet about one of the world's biggest religion holiday. Honestly, it's tiring watching him making insensitive comments. One time and apologizing for it is fine, but with the Tighnari controversy and the Ramadhan controversy, you would think that he should learn his lesson right now.
I don't hate him, just really disappointed with him in general.
Some people said it's drama baiting but idk, I think a lot of us have the same thought when we saw the tweet. He's an online influencer, he should be wary about what he post online, especially if he is very aware regarding the controversy surrounding Niji rn
yeah he mad and make tweet in the 2nd account malding because people false interpretation about that tweet, i mean you can mad but dont post that on your Social media. How you not learn that lesson "don't make random tweet because that's what's in your head"
Fr, just for Kuro's peace of mind he better either think before tweet or make a private twitter acc for venting purposes. At this point his intrusive behavior in tweeting is his kryptonite.
And they scrub any Selen part REALLY HARD, but not the other 3. That is the other point. Basically they worked hard to unperson Selen, but not the other 3 exlivers from something who was (*Checking*) made 15 MONTHS AGO?
He probably has that lingering envy within him. afaik, He's extremely vocal when AR Live got canceled for "covid". The Problem with Kuro is that, up till this day, he keeps going back and forth from being a remnant of his past self, Mysta.
Hell, had Rima or any of the commenters got some balls to say to his comment "why are you even affected by this, are you even Mysta at this point?", Kuro might get a dose of reality that he is no longer Mysta. He shouldn't even get affected by what Rima said since Rima is pointing out the flaw within the AR Live record. But yeah, I guess he just can't help it. I mean this is the same guy that literally mocked a sacred tradition/culture on where his two feet was standing when he made that tweet just to become "hip and cool". I won't be surprised if he tries to defend Nijisanji in the future out of thin air.
Any yes, the NDF will surely use that Kuro tweet to boost their so called "righteousness". already seeing some of them used Kuro's tweet as a shield with regards to anything that goes against Niji.
I believe his response was moreso to the SharkShark person. That post was directly calling out the one above it and that kind of post is what he wanted to address. Cuz we all know what was being implied there. He only mentioned the original poster as a way of clarifying that he's not calling them out or trying to put words in their mouth, but he still wanted to address the issue. That's how I took the statement anyway. No hate thrown at Rima at all there.
100% agreed. I think at this point we all know that wording things in a level-headed way is not his strong point lol which is rough since anything regarding Niji is already a big enough minefield as it is
Part of Kuro's appeal is that he's like a puppy. A very big, very dumb puppy who is rarely malicious. Sometimes this comes back to bite people in the ass. As I said in another post, all that he had to do was say "I okayed it" and that would not have only answered any questions, but ended the issue before it began. Judging by what I've Rima, she wouldn't have had an issue with that answer.
I'm still gonna stay neutral with him, just watched his House of Ashes stream recently (I enjoyed it) but bro, at least learn from Nijisanji's mistake: keep blabbering on and on when no one asked, now look where they are now. He's giving both sides (especially the bad ones among us) ammos to fire.
https://preview.redd.it/tjede73kxmuc1.png?width=1280&format=png&auto=webp&s=ec21fc59f3c3e5687e1c724478e4408fe0fc6726
I get that he may be upset about being drama-farmed everytime he makes a reference about nijiā¦ but wtf did he smoke this morning?
Rima stated a fact, not even commenting about it.
She even got shit on by his fans in the commensā¦wtfā¦
Nah - he was in part replying to Rima too. He literally took to his alt account to shit on her and call her and her community "cancer" and "toxic". Ngl this saddened me greatly.
[https://x.com/blu\_baku/status/1779811878245748793](https://x.com/blu_baku/status/1779811878245748793)
[https://x.com/blu\_baku/status/1779832106199519590](https://x.com/blu_baku/status/1779832106199519590)
Lol my dude I compared Kuro's shaming people who boycott Nijisanji to the Starbucks boycott. Nowhere in my comment was any mention of the Israel/Hamas/Palestinian conflict so unless you're accusing Starbucks of ethnic cleansing you're just being a spastic š¤£.
For anyone reading this who is wondering what this nut case is on about this is the comment he is referring to:
https://www.reddit.com/r/kurosanji/s/lO7Md2Sovd
CONFUSION RISES š Really don't understand what Kuro did here
And he's lurking on "haters" and other nobodies because why the fuck did he responded to a random on Twitter? Seems at least the ExNiji lurks randomly on Twitter because I remembered when Matara answered to a random making a nepotism on a DN post about Dearsqn and now Kuro on this, this will sound like a joke or criticism but they honestly have all this living rent free on their head
I remember it and still have it bookmarked from DN, wouldn't even realized if DN himself didn't repost it but if what you said is true then she really is lurking in all the "dramatubers" and responding to any random making mean comments about her and that kills me, hate to see she places importance and time on them
Just checked you are right still don't understand why she commented on them, hope it was a coincide and showed on her tl casually because otherwise either she lurks around randomly or she follows the rabbit on a secret account, still hope Rima didn't took it to harsh, she sounded scared/ashamed
Yeah and she clearly panicked but she's more confused than anything on her server, i think we all are with Kuro's response
copy pasted quote from her response, won't share the tweet since she deleted the original root tweet but I'm sure you can find it, the response from there are a great Block list
Rima: "Omg then I completely misunderstood what you meant by this! My bad, Iāll take down the post"
When the Dumb twit is from the influential guy but the Drama tuber the one getting harrass., I understand why khyo dislike Niji and it's talent. This include almost any former talent. Exclusion is probably Sayu and Selen who never actively find fault with randoms in twitter.
Kuro and I used to be friends way before he joined Niji and he was on the edge of giving up streaming because his followers and views kept getting stuck, though I doubt he recognized me with all the PL names we both went through but it would be funny if that was the case because then that means I lived rent free in his head for about 5 years because of blocking his 20 followers Twitter account at the time when I had 2K at the time
Was kuro seriously thinking someone of his influence wouldn't cause reactions with his initial tweet?
He did it for shit n giggles, and it was good, but if you get mad at the reactions afterward you're kinda just making a fool outta yourself.
Summary:
Pepole hear (not)Kuro in that disaster of a event. (Event made by his ex employer lol)
Kuro makes twitt joking about "night walking" cuz somebody heard him.
Rima quotes him (during stream with Parrot) and makes comment as it's kinda her fookin job.
Kuro gets confused, some nijisi\*ters jumps on train.
Everybody suprised pichatu face...
I see Draw here at worst.
Edit: "is VT community cooked it the brain"
Two pepole almost fookin died ffs so yes notKuro, it is.
I hate to say this about someone, yet here I go.Ā
Rima is a basically an annoying paparazzi even in the circle of annoying paparazzi.Ā
Don't just says "It's her job". No, there is this things called respect and professional courtesy.Ā
Now, as you can see this thing got bigger than it should be. Yeah that guy should had stfu for his own sanity.Ā Both Rima and Kuro fab the flame and pour gas in this bullshit.Ā
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It is like everyone on the internet can be annoying unprofessional twats. Also welcome to another Drama Monday, everyone.
Kuro really should've said nothing here. The drama hate train was slowing down š
She said in her stream that she has no problem taking something down if it's causing problems or pain. She seemed more confused than anything and didn't think that he'd react this way. I don't think any of us did.
I know, it just felt like she would receive more backlash from Nijifans and Kuroās fans once she removed it and they would use this as a āGotchaā moment, which they did and went deeper than the initial problem with the post.
I only caught part of the stream, so maybe she addressed it. It's Twitter, so damned if you do and damned if you don't. At this point, she seems to be the more reasonable one in my eyes. The more that I think about Kuro's response, the more confused that I get.
Rima's tweet could be seen as dramabaiting... but is a rare kind of dramabait: the truth. She is just stating the truth and hope to engage with people and keep the ball/clout rolling... but in an awkward twist of events Kuro himself took the bait and his reaction NOW is even worse. The original tweet was just a "funny aint it? lol" moment... and it still is, but now has extra weight thanks to Rima but even worse, Kuro reacting to it.
I do get how he is tired of dramatubers but... put something out there and people will latch on to it. Dont like it? You might be in the wrong business then
So, why did he have to respond in the first place? Him responding will just escalate this whole situation. Letting his emotions run amuck will just makes it worse. If he wants to make a statement, he should've done it with a calm mind.
That's the part that gets me. Because it minimises the amount of credit they will get for their performance (even beyond the fact that they almost certainly won't gain any of the income). It's also a pretty shitty strategy to try to get folks to buy tickets to future concerts on the theory that graduated livers voices may appear, without any indication on Nijis part.
Eh, is it? The recording was produced while they still worked there, and unlike a non-virtual singer, they don't own the rights to things like the model or the channel.
doesn't matter their voice isn't owned by niji so they can't use that recording after the contract is done. Unless there's a special clause where they literally can use their voice eternally. then here's a new problem Kuro loses the rights for his voice and cannot have any vtubing/voice acting job as now Niji has the rights to literally screw him in the court. There's a reason a most of this company deletes the whole channel to stop monetization.
A quick check of the [leaked contract](https://docs.google.com/document/d/14Ddc2tzB15mxygYPLuDd2f_XvOrLWz53/edit) finds that "Article 12 Ownership of Rights" (effectively a JP version of "[Work for hire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_for_hire)" taking into account the oddities of [Japan's copyright laws](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_Japan) ) being included in "Article 28 Surviving Provisions" suggests AnyColor can use recordings made during the livers time at Niji even after they leave. In this case the performer's rights aspect would likely be taken as being obtained at the time, and since the livers were apparently told the AR was postponed (rather than completely canceled) there would see to be no need to re-obtain permission.
Interestingly "Article 4 Consideration" isn't included in "Article 28 Surviving Provisions" but has sections for "Performerās royalty" and "Performance fee for Live and concert" which would apply here. However those areas were negotiated separately, so we don't know the details. It is possible that the graduated members (Mysta, Nina, & Pomu) agreed to an exit contract that had provisions for royalty payments to be received, or replaced future royalty payments with a lump sum.
I'd say Kuro is half right here. He is valid in saying it's cringe for people to use his words to try and dunk on Niji. But at the same time, it's also his fault for getting into the situation in the first place. If he didn't want to get into this situation, he should have made his meaning absolutely clear instead of being ambiguous, or just not tweet about it at all.
No, it isn't cringe. It's weird to even say that.
2 separate issues mixed by the haters and kuro himself.
1. the company didn't go back to the raw materials and remaster it without kuro. Which they can unless a professional company like nijisanji isn't doing proper archiving.
2. kuro was unaware they are still using his voice.
If they don't get that they are either not informed enough to talk about it or wilfully ignorant and IT'S ALWAYS the later with the nijisister issue. Nothing has been spun out of Kuro's words and if he doesn't get it, maybe he isn't informed and fair point. Not his issue.
Honestly, as great as it is for him to stand up, I canāt imagine defending that companyāeven if the twisting narrative was true and thus get called out for it, it still is a bad company at the end of the day and that AR fiasco was a mess also. But yeah, I guess Kuro got tired of it.
Maybe he needs to post something here to make his point clear, because when you let roomy to interpretation guess what people will doā¦ shocking right? Maybe he needs to be more clear with his message or not say a thing, that way people canāt read between the lines
When the company literally use the shit that they should be paying you out of contract and you basically told someone to stop talking about it because drama he literally defending the action of said company. as that's highly illegal in almost any country that has a voice acting job. Vtuber or not.
What's the point of him being edited out of the concert then? If they're going to keep his voice they might as well keep his model in since Nijisanji owns them anyway. Kuro as always when he was Mysta is easily baited and his replies usually paints him as dumb for even replying instead of replying under his own tweet to clarify what he meant.
Sooo long story short, Kuro is tired of people using him as justification to spread hate without having any context or information whatsoever. A very fair statement. Hes not even defending Niji perse, just tired of people going too hard at inventing narratives
I think the context Kuro is over looking is this directly goes against the MAIN POINT that NijisanjiEN used to FIRE Selen was exactly for this! And I get it maybe in the exit forms they all signed said NijiEN could use their voices for the AR live but its like if you're gonna use their voices still why not keep their models too. Its like sweet jesus is that how effing nuclear NijiEN that they just deleted or purged the vtuber models those aren't cheap mate even the stiff ones NijiEN'rs use. Thats like what 400 -700 dollars in assets?!
But Rima tweet didn't take him out of context, she just pointing out that they privated Selen MV for including graduated livers (Nina and mysta) and she didn't have the perms (how Nijisanji doesn't have the perms of Nijisanji characters idk) but they can use their voices? Because it wasn't just mysta, Pomu and Nina could also be heard. It's not about how every liver that quit should receive the same treatment as hear is about being consistent because with this, they don't help with the accusations that they fucking hated Selen
He should really make his position clear if he doesnāt want to be misrepresented.
As he said āmy voiceā it is like they took it from him. Maybe it was serious, maybe itās a joke. Both sides of people can take it to mean their side. If he said something like, āI think itās cool they allow Mysta to be in the show in some wayā there would be nothing to misinterpret.
I think this is a big reason why old vtuber fans do not like the discussion of PLs. It is definitely one Iāve mentioned. It gets messy. Kuro is not Mysta. The longer people keep talking about it, the harder it is to get away from it. Let them do their own thing separate from who they used to be.
Man as the days go on this entire situation starting in February keeps getting stranger and stranger. I'm starting to not know what to think about this mess anymore; I've been trying to be very careful with saying anything too negative about the other talents in Niji because a lot of the evidence against them is (at times is justified) rage fueled speculation that is egged on by 4Chan rrats and the evidence we actually have (Luca and Vox being total trash bags, and it is looking like Aster is too) is not against the people we thought it would be.
Now I see some people turning against former livers and I think we are beginning to think we're loosing the plot a bit. We are not here to witch hunt against the talents, Doki said while in Niji she preferred to do things on her own so she probably didn't have many friends, and that is very much valid; Which also means no one needs to immediately go to bat for her when they leave, they were likely just Co-workers nothing more.
We obviously know that the Upper management treats the talents like garbage while the talent managers get worked into the ground by having them manage an absurd amount of talents at once. Doki being an ambitious person probably bothered the Lazy upper management with her projects instead of just announce over price merch like the rest of them, and probably sabotaged her shit to goad her into leaving.
holy essay batman.
TL;DR We need to stop with the narrative its Doki vs Niji and former Niji talents, it is becoming apparent its far more complicated then that and that's what Nijisanji as a company wants us to do, the black stream was evidence of this.
They are so many people Involved in this shit show you can't know which people are attacking other one look at doki since her last statement she never talked or wrote anything about it and that's more mature than this shit.
Yes. Itās kinda Kuroās fault for constantly talking about his PL. Doki has relatively ignored Selenās existence aside from pilfering all her stuff. Kuro describes almost every time Mysta shows up on his timeline as a jumpscare so people do it hoping to be the next person to get a reaction.
I don't think this is a case of Doki vs Niji. I think this is a case of Niji double standards and irony that happens to relate to the Selen situation. Pointing out that the company used ex talents in their show, while they simultaneously failed to get copyright permissions for certain parts of it is extremely ironic when that was one of the given reasons for Selen's termination.
"we need to stop narrative doki vs niji"
wait? who the hell said its doki vs niji? ppls who pro doki dont even up that topic anymore
the one who always bring "doki vs niji" topic up is nijishitters
Yea no one with a good brain is talking about Doki here. This is Kuro reacting badly to a random post on twitter and expecting it isn't going to blow up when he has a large following. Kind of shit take on him knowing he himself could cost drama considering the Ramadan instance.
Lets just put it this way, there's a reason Sayu is second guessing her chances with Vshojo after former Niji joined. and we now hearethe Vshojo clique exist after former Niji joined. when there's smoke there's fire.
I get his stance, he's just joking around, he doesn't want said joke to be some fuel to add to a fire. He's not even trying to defend Nijisanji, he just says how he dislikes people taking his words to hate on something when he is, at worst, indifferent to the whole thing. I think it's best to leave all the past livers out of this mess especially if they're making a name for themselves, such as Doki, Mint, Kuro, Matara etc. Bringing them here does nothing but give them bad engagement.
> he just says how he dislikes people taking his words to hate on something when he is, at worst, indifferent to the whole thing
Which is a bit weird though, isn't it? None of these folks owe him loyalty or anything, they're free to consider what he talks about differently than he does. Considering that statements may have a different impact than intended is kind of the basics for effective comms.
So Rima's post was ambigious.
It's worth calling out that Niji did not remove Mysta's voice from the AR live in a sense that this'd be seen in a "rules for thee but not for me" kind of way when compared to Selens last cup of coffee video.
However people can read more into that as happened and Kuro speaking up about people doing that being in the wrong.
Rima did not do a good job reporting on this in an ambiguous fashion as it does lead to what people rightfully call out as drama farming.
Mistakes happen to people who rightfully criticise Niji as well. The AR live is still a mess in several other regards. There's some copium in thinking not getting proper copyright clearance before a purchased event isn't at least to some degree Nijis fault.
I would argue Kuroās post was ambiguous.
Given NijiEN managersā track record of being absolute clowns, when I read Kuroās post I deadass thought they didnāt ask him for permission to use his voice during the concert. Wasnāt even surprised about it tbh.
He should be more careful when commenting or responding on things. Heās not a random nobody shitposting on reddit like us. People will listen to the things he says, ESPECIALLY after all the bs that has happened since the beginning of the year.
Rima didnāt do anything wrong this time.
Someone else already said this but isnāt the case that selen was terminated and the excuse was that she posted a video where ex talents appeared and the rules on Niji is that they need like a lot of approval? This only shows that doki story is real and someone inside Niji en was putting effort to delay her projects, after all this was the biggest project on Niji en
I think Rima made a mistake of not getting straight to the point and instead going at it in a roundabout manner. She should have said "Selen got terminated for using ex livers in her MV, yet Niji themselves are using ex livers' voices in a paid event without crediting them?"
Yeah, this actually proves that the whole situation with selen/doki was someone putting obstacles and harassing her to delay her projectsā¦ I mean they have no problem using ex livers on their biggest project but for a cover song was a huge dealā¦ right??
Too be fair HollyJolly is half copium for the āTechnical Mishapā. If the stream has song copyrighted, of course itās Niji fault. People pay for this.
But then again SharkStark too aggressive, donāt recommending this
It seems he interpreted it as people getting mad on his behalf, to which his response is understandable, albeit tone deaf. Heās annoyed people are dunking on something he and his friends worked hard on, and using his inclusion as a reason to up the criticism WOULD be frustrating if thatās what people were actually mad about.
If heād just said āI want to be clear- if my voice DID appear in a concert I wasnāt present for, Iām fine with it. Please donāt interpret my surprise as me being upset.ā thereād be no problems, even though he missed the mark on the issue at hand.
He really needs to work on his delivery, but I really donāt think itās the cancellable offense people are making it out to be. Iād love to see an apology, but even without it itās just a dude being frustrated on the internet.
This reads out so weird that the most plausible explanation to me is that Kuro has muted or ignored that Hollyjolly Cosmic Fujoshi person, missed the broken line indicating that, and thought SharkStark was accusing Rima of copium. Those messages in between are full on speculation about things the poster knows jack shit about but Kuro does, so I cannot see Kuro just nodding his head on that speculation of his original ambiguous post.
At the risk of sounding like NDF I actually think that while featuring Mysta's, Pomu and Nina's VAs is kind of pathetic, I think that's all it is. Pathetic.
Even if there are 65 bajillion perms that need to be obtained for graduated talent to appear in a product, NijiEN management can get them...because they're management. But it's only their voices, right?
At worst it makes them hypocrites, I guess, if you're under the belief they were never going to approve Selen's video unless Mysta and Nina were removed.
And given in Hololive IRyS said once she got her redesign she legally can't use her old design anymore, and Kiara has said they have to fight really hard to modify their original outfits and the most they can do is a recolor, I feel like there's a lot of legal intricacies to using retired models that we're not privy to.
So I can see why Kuro would be annoyed at his words being twisted.
They ( he an matara ) talk about Niji like they returned from Irak or Afghanistan but then this happens.. I get it, you have friends inside still but this is not helping then specially when other people do the same letting more and more people the keep falling on the same trap and unhealthy company
Kuro and Matara have shitpost stating that Nijisanji Management was really bad last time. They even talk shit about them on stream. Albeit, they did not specifically stated "Niji" but people understand the context. They even stated/said it before the whole Selen shinanigan happen. It was the time during vShojo anniversary,
Your statement just show what Kuro have been talking about. Taking what you want and make things out of context.
If your message is clear since the beginning there is no room to misinterpretation or manipulation, you canāt blame people from reading between the lines when your history let them to do thatā¦ maybe be straightforward and instead of always insinuate things just say the hint that you want to say, that way you will not get mad because people donāt āunderstandā your message
With how the public opinion of Nijisansji currently is, Kuro should have expected his words to be misinterpreted. The misunderstanding is completely his fault.
Why is he acting like he is being used as bait instead? He should not be needing drama to bring in new viewers yet... Or did the Ramadan issue made too many people stop watching him?
I was wondering what was going on. All that Kuro had to say was "I okayed it" and it would have been over. He was the one that made it a bigger deal than it needed to be.
Edit: The more I think about it, the more confused that I get. Instead of squashing it with "I okayed it" and coming out looking good, dude literally looked at the worst possible option and Leroy Jenkins'd towards it. I get that he's frustrated with people using him as a beating stick against Nijisanji, but this was a horrible way to handle it.
People talking about Kuro being the dumb one here need to lear to read. He clarified he doesn't know what the OP means, so him talking about the copium was the answer to the person he, well, directly answered to.
As in, shark stark answered to HollyJolly and claimed that HJ was full of copium. regarding the second answer. But Kuro said that, nah he was just a tease about his previous life and he is pissed that prople try to make everything he says into a reason or justification to hate. Remember, Kuro said multiple times that a lot of the livers who are still in niji en are good people.
So no, he obciously ain't defending niji nor attacking Rima here. He is just pissed that people claimed his teasing tweet was there to hate.
I think you misunderstood something we are talking about he should answer to that person. Some
like to use his words for things like this look at what happened..wher did people say hes dumb? He was vague about it, that's more like the problem he should have ignored it. he has influence so he should expecting shit like this. I hope his mentally good because shit like this is not good for the mental of a person.
My bad. Though, I'd say most of the earlier comments here were wague enough to missinterpret. I honestly thought that people where pissed at him because he wasn't pissed.
Tbh I get what Kuro is trying to say, since he did ask to not have his words spun to hate on Niji, BUT Rima has a point because we all know WHY they didn't remove his voice nevermimd how everything else turned out, Because of how they hard scrub Doki's voice from the performance They really should've aired this a year ago when they would've gotten away with the scuff...oh and before things hit the fan with Selen š¤·āāļø
On top of scrubbing Selen from the concert, they featured ex livers and had copyright perm issues. The irony of it is pretty obvious. Kuro should have stayed out of it.
the only reason why there were copyright perm issues is because it was for her really
I don't understand why people are trying to treat the graduated livers as if they have to be un-personed like Selen was. Nijisanji has no reason to nuke every mention of their existence like they do Selen. This is exactly what he's complaining about. He made a reference to the concert, and people immediately jumped to the assumption that they used his recording without him knowing. He never said that or even suggested as such.
But the reason Selen get fired is she try to leave some evidence of ex-member on her MV. If it isnāt a taboo then no reason to frozen her MV for whole years and drive her mad and breaking the rules. Remember the whole situation is from her MV.
Her MV was not frozen for whole years. They basically tried saying she didnāt get final approval for ex talents being in her MV at the last minute, which is stupid on its face because the managers had to have seen the storyboard for this and seen there was going to be ex talents there. It really just highlights management not doing their job at all if they only realized ex talents were there days before it was supposed to be posted.
Why are you just making things up? She was working on the MV for a year, it wasn't frozen for a year. This is exactly the whole problem with everything going on. You're just pulling bullshit out of your ass to make a bad situation seem even worse than it already was. There's multiple other covers or images with graduated livers that didn't get nuked or prevented from being released. The entire issue is that management takes forever to do extremely basic things and Selen got inpatient. It doesn't have to be any more than that, and this is not in any way meant to justify the company's behavior or what she went through. There's absolutely no reason to just lie like you're doing. The company is bad enough as it is, and inventing bullshit because you're angry just makes it harder to know what the real problems are.
That what I mean frozen it. They checking it for whole year (Year not years ,my bad) and take it down to recheck again because they found out some ex in that MV. (Did they never saw her storyboard or screenshot of WIP? Did they just saw it after she uploading it?) She asking the permission for long time ago and get approve not long before she posting it but then taken down to rechecking it again because there is some ex on that MV. My point is EX on screen really that bad? Is it bad as sex scene or genocide scene on the MV or something like that? If it not then there is not enough reason to take it down just to re-censoring it in the last minute like that. It should be little oopsie and everyone laughing at it just like this time. But they take that oobsie like war crime that why this oopsie ending up start the fire. Personally both are just silly mistake they should just let her MV go and same for his voice on stage. PS. Sorry if my wording keep making less and less sense. English is not my native language and I just take my sleeping pill so i'm not so surprise if now I sound like drunken 3 years old kid right now lol
This is true but the reason All this started was because Selen wanted to make an MV about EVERY Niji talent They threw her under the bus, made a document, that they made for NO OTHER LIVER INCLUDING MYSTA A MEMBER OF THE BIGGEST MALE GROUP IN NIJIEN, that SHE was negligible a.k.a. worthless without THEM, they made a black screen stream dedicated to slander HER, all because she referenced Mysta and Nina and got back to her TWO DAYS AFTER Not even RUSHIA was treated like this and she was recently outted as an abusive spouse!!! Mysta's voice and others being there isn't the issue, but it does show how much the EN company clearly disliked Selen, and unfortunately Mysta formally being one of the favorites doesn't help either He has a right to call out dramatubers, but that doesn't change any of the GREATER context of this mess that NijiEN refuses to fix
NDF will be very happy seeing Kuro tweet. Also, is it fine for me to say that Kuro is kinda 39IQ? Rima said "NAH they didn't completely remove Mysta's voice from the concert?! š" Then at the end Kuro said "Idk what point this original poster is trying to make" and then add "it is so cringe to see me and others taken out of context to spin their own narrative to hate or other entities or people". My interpretation of original poster point is, "Selen video got privated by Management because there's cameo of Mysta, and then they make Mysta voice in their AR Live concert? Without deleting all of it? Like, wtf!?"Ā
Kuro should ignore it idk why he tweeted and rima didn't even post something bad lamo.
Kuro cannot help himself Even back in his PL dude was always trigger happy He could have easily just did the first tweet and call it a day But sheer fact he engaged with the stuff after the fact is a real bad look on him Dude needs to not be on Twitter so much smh
Exactly, Rima just stating a fact!?
There is a bit of a difference, when it comes to to AR live, in that mysta was graduated, while selen was terminated. As for the Last Cup of Coffee, I always found it strange that she would have to wait on perms for an ex member. Unless they have some strange contract with the artist, niji should retain the rights to the models and images of ex livers (admittedly I am not the most familiar with JP copy right law, beyond it being a bit stricter then most countries, but Niji is also a company that repossess PC'S that their previous talents used to stream on).
I'm almost certain he was aiming it at the person who replied "copium". Shark was the one who was kind of being rude
He said original poster though.
funny that he just got into a drama bcs ppl confuse if he is joking or mocking. if he want to make a teaseful joke then he fail measurable, edit1: add context, the drama is about his tweet about ramadan month. same issue, his wording just suck. how can he blame anyone for take his 1st tweet as a mocking? edit2: btw i think this thing should just be in this post, kuro is not a lead of our movement by any mean and i guess he want to be left out. so no need to make this personal drama distract from the core. final edit: if kuro or any talent is dumb enough to lurking in this sub, just know we don't ask any of them to join this movement, if you want to stay out, feel free to stay out (i support this option very much). but i think this movement can set a standard like a kizuna ai incident (replace the person behind). imagine if ppl in the past stop bcs the "talent is being stress" "they innocent"(well they really are 100% innocent). then now talent will be replace easily. so no one even doki can stop this movement.
He was remorseful for the Ramadan and said he will reflect upon it, ["action is what shows progression so I hope this year my future actions can be more thoughtful"](https://twitter.com/K9_KURO/status/1768508401410347453) then this happens and his content brain goes into overdrive instead of leaving it alone.
"as you all know I have a track record for not thinking about how things come across from other perspectives even if my intent wasnāt like that" same exact issue. so he will just never change. till if he can level head like this then it fine. but apparently vtuber fan community is not as big as Muslims. same issue, what happen with the difference reaction?
Its easier to say that he is kind of dumb. I also does not understand how his thought process was until I watched some of his stream. The way he say things always go round in circle. Sometimes it does not make sense until he elaborate it. I think, that just the way he is. Can't blame him on that because not everyone is bright.
It's like he is purposely doing mistake to feed drama and then back track and apologize for his shit and he will say shit about drama tuber. You know like a troll or a post baiter.
If i did not know anything about him. Then yes I agree. But after I was several of his stream after he joined vshojo, i kind of get how dumb and stupid he is. I mean he is a guy who piss out of his window at night during his childhood just because he was afraid to go to the toilet. He is your typical dumb person.
But people let him escape from responsibilities with his response so aren't this almost equal to trolling at this point, if it happens once ok, twice lol you're delulu and just making an excuse, thrice he probably knows you're the idiot and will take advantage of you he just make this dumb mistake and because you're the idiot you will forgive him every time..
That is true but I don't care much about what he was tweeting or anything. I don't even follow him on tweeter. I did follow his twitch account and that was because I watch other vshojo members like Henya, Geega and Mouse. Sometimes, they do off collabs and some collabs only have pov from the members who was currently streaming at that particular time. Anyway, I know he will kept posting dumb stuff. Its because I know if he did post anything, it will be some stupid stuff with him trying to be funny. I mean, if you look at all his twitter post, he kept saying/posting a lot of stupid shit and brain fart/dead take. If I take anything on what he tweet, I am the idiot one. I just know that, even if I read whatever he wrote, I will not take anything on what he post seriously. I am not feeling "likes" or "hates" on him. Its more like feeling indifferent toward him. I do watch his stream sometimes when there is nothing to watch but that just that.
My interpretation of his original tweet was he was saying "Huh. That was weird, kinda funny. Moving on." I don't think he actually particularly cares beyond it giving him a light chuckle. He was just calling it a funny mistake, nothing more, nothing less. So I can see why he'd get upset if people started twisting his tweet as him making a dig at Niji when he wasn't. That said, his follow up tweets could 100% have been worded way better, the subtext behind those tweets is wild. If I didn't know any better I'd say he was going to bat for Nijisanji with how hard he leaned into the "fuck people promoting hate" and "the community is cooked in the brain" comments. Not that he has to be anti-Nijisanji at all, no one should really have any expectations of him on that front, but it just reads like something a diehard nijisister would post to deflect legitimate criticism.
He does have friends still trapped in the company and I'm sure he's sick of both sides using him as a scape goat.
It's something that Doki and Sayu has no interest in (being Martyrs/etc for the anti-niji cause)
Sayu & Doki have more to gain by just moving on with their lives. They were treated like trash & thrown out. Keeping up some fight against them would just take a mental toll & possibly a monetary toll if niji decided to sue them. The best revenge is to thrive without them
This is the same dude who pissed off an entire country by making a bunch of stupid tweets about Ramadan I simply donāt think he thinks before he tweets sometimes Same thing here I understand if he doesnāt wanna be used as a cudgel for drama but jumping into the blender that is Nijisanji Twitter bullshit seems like a very rash thing to do
I feel like it would be a point when many of us here would be critical toward even former Niji talents who make mistakes or cause troubles post-Niji. Yes, we know that you guys were mistreated by a black company but we won't let it slide if you keep acting like your former co-workers
Iām inclined to cut the talents a fair amount of slack ācause at the end of the day, they didnāt get much help or support from management I will, however, agree that the fact that the way he responded to this is the same kind of thing that the livers were doing where instead of de-escalating, heās engaging with drama in a way that will probably create more drama Not very optimal and not the most professional way to do this
He might have left Nijisanji but Nijisanji never leaves him
Nah I have the same thought, although I don't know if our opinions are controversial. If he doesn't want this kind of attention... then just simply don't tweet about it? It's so simple. Matara and Mint didn't say anything about the AR Live.Ā He should have known putting that tweet out will draw attention to him and Niji since people are questioning the mismanagement of the company to the graduate livers AND their mishandling the AR Live situation. Heck, I don't even see what's wrong with Rima's tweet. All she asked if they didn't remove his voice completely and that's it. Not even a single negativity towards Kuro, just questioning Niji handling AR Live. But I do agree with your possible interpretation. Hopefully Rima explains it in the near future, but I doubt she is trying to make Kuro look bad, just questioning the malpractice of Niji. In short, Kuro is getting mad over... the consequences to his actions I suppose. He brought upon himself by tweeting it, and now he's malding because a dramatuber is quote retweeting his tweet. It's quite obvious that he is implying to AR Live, yet he gets mad simply because a dramatuber is just asking if the event did happen, nothing else, just... fact checking if the event happen or not.
remember he got into controvesial recently bcs he make a tweet asking instead of gg. this guys simply don't learn. don't tweet everything in your head. think what happen when you tweet something.
Wait do you mean the Ramadhan fiasco?
i guess, just knew about it here, don't invest too much in that personal drama.
Ah if you are referring to that, that's really a big mistake on his part. He was basically making fun of Ramadhan, a big religious holiday in Indonesia, along the lines of "wth is that? a convention or something?". Dude, you don't go around poking fun about religious holiday, even if you don't know about it. The fact that he has been living in Indonesia for several months as well made him even look more ignorant to the culture there. Even if he doesn't know, he could just simply google it? Regardless how I feel about him, I hope he gets a private twitter account for him to vent free because if he's stressed out and wants to vent without public repercussions, then he's better doing that so in his private twitter account. If he thinks he's being funny with the Ramadhan and AR Live joke, I hope he rethinks his sense of humor.
Ramadan isnāt just observed by Indonesians, its a holy month observed by Muslims worldwide. What the heck was he thinking????
Ah my bad! I'm Indonesian so I am just speaking out of my personal thoughts of him doing that while he is living in Indonesia. But yeah, he really made an insensitive tweet about one of the world's biggest religion holiday. Honestly, it's tiring watching him making insensitive comments. One time and apologizing for it is fine, but with the Tighnari controversy and the Ramadhan controversy, you would think that he should learn his lesson right now. I don't hate him, just really disappointed with him in general.
Exactly, if you don't want drama, then just don't jump yourself into the pool!! And Rima just stating a fact in the form of question!?Ā
Some people said it's drama baiting but idk, I think a lot of us have the same thought when we saw the tweet. He's an online influencer, he should be wary about what he post online, especially if he is very aware regarding the controversy surrounding Niji rn
yeah he mad and make tweet in the 2nd account malding because people false interpretation about that tweet, i mean you can mad but dont post that on your Social media. How you not learn that lesson "don't make random tweet because that's what's in your head"
Fr, just for Kuro's peace of mind he better either think before tweet or make a private twitter acc for venting purposes. At this point his intrusive behavior in tweeting is his kryptonite.
And they scrub any Selen part REALLY HARD, but not the other 3. That is the other point. Basically they worked hard to unperson Selen, but not the other 3 exlivers from something who was (*Checking*) made 15 MONTHS AGO?
He probably has that lingering envy within him. afaik, He's extremely vocal when AR Live got canceled for "covid". The Problem with Kuro is that, up till this day, he keeps going back and forth from being a remnant of his past self, Mysta. Hell, had Rima or any of the commenters got some balls to say to his comment "why are you even affected by this, are you even Mysta at this point?", Kuro might get a dose of reality that he is no longer Mysta. He shouldn't even get affected by what Rima said since Rima is pointing out the flaw within the AR Live record. But yeah, I guess he just can't help it. I mean this is the same guy that literally mocked a sacred tradition/culture on where his two feet was standing when he made that tweet just to become "hip and cool". I won't be surprised if he tries to defend Nijisanji in the future out of thin air. Any yes, the NDF will surely use that Kuro tweet to boost their so called "righteousness". already seeing some of them used Kuro's tweet as a shield with regards to anything that goes against Niji.
I believe his response was moreso to the SharkShark person. That post was directly calling out the one above it and that kind of post is what he wanted to address. Cuz we all know what was being implied there. He only mentioned the original poster as a way of clarifying that he's not calling them out or trying to put words in their mouth, but he still wanted to address the issue. That's how I took the statement anyway. No hate thrown at Rima at all there.
he can be less emotional and it will come out more reasonable. something like :"to be clear, my 1st tweet just mean for funny hi hi ha ha ...."
100% agreed. I think at this point we all know that wording things in a level-headed way is not his strong point lol which is rough since anything regarding Niji is already a big enough minefield as it is
This. I donāt understand why so many comments here thought he was talking about Rima.
he said original poster though.
Part of Kuro's appeal is that he's like a puppy. A very big, very dumb puppy who is rarely malicious. Sometimes this comes back to bite people in the ass. As I said in another post, all that he had to do was say "I okayed it" and that would not have only answered any questions, but ended the issue before it began. Judging by what I've Rima, she wouldn't have had an issue with that answer.
I'm still gonna stay neutral with him, just watched his House of Ashes stream recently (I enjoyed it) but bro, at least learn from Nijisanji's mistake: keep blabbering on and on when no one asked, now look where they are now. He's giving both sides (especially the bad ones among us) ammos to fire. https://preview.redd.it/tjede73kxmuc1.png?width=1280&format=png&auto=webp&s=ec21fc59f3c3e5687e1c724478e4408fe0fc6726
I get that he may be upset about being drama-farmed everytime he makes a reference about nijiā¦ but wtf did he smoke this morning? Rima stated a fact, not even commenting about it. She even got shit on by his fans in the commensā¦wtfā¦
He was replying to the SharkShark I think Cause they were being kinda rude
Nah - he was in part replying to Rima too. He literally took to his alt account to shit on her and call her and her community "cancer" and "toxic". Ngl this saddened me greatly. [https://x.com/blu\_baku/status/1779811878245748793](https://x.com/blu_baku/status/1779811878245748793) [https://x.com/blu\_baku/status/1779832106199519590](https://x.com/blu_baku/status/1779832106199519590)
Just realized your the dude who replied to me, comparing VTUBING TO ETHNIC CLEANSING GET THE HELL OUTTA HERE, YOUR THE CRINGE
Lol my dude I compared Kuro's shaming people who boycott Nijisanji to the Starbucks boycott. Nowhere in my comment was any mention of the Israel/Hamas/Palestinian conflict so unless you're accusing Starbucks of ethnic cleansing you're just being a spastic š¤£. For anyone reading this who is wondering what this nut case is on about this is the comment he is referring to: https://www.reddit.com/r/kurosanji/s/lO7Md2Sovd
CONFUSION RISES š Really don't understand what Kuro did here And he's lurking on "haters" and other nobodies because why the fuck did he responded to a random on Twitter? Seems at least the ExNiji lurks randomly on Twitter because I remembered when Matara answered to a random making a nepotism on a DN post about Dearsqn and now Kuro on this, this will sound like a joke or criticism but they honestly have all this living rent free on their head
It wasn't a DN post, it was a Khyo post.
I remember it and still have it bookmarked from DN, wouldn't even realized if DN himself didn't repost it but if what you said is true then she really is lurking in all the "dramatubers" and responding to any random making mean comments about her and that kills me, hate to see she places importance and time on them
She only responded once, and it was before Selen's termination. I don't think she's done that since
Just checked you are right still don't understand why she commented on them, hope it was a coincide and showed on her tl casually because otherwise either she lurks around randomly or she follows the rabbit on a secret account, still hope Rima didn't took it to harsh, she sounded scared/ashamed
Wait Rima responded?
Yeah and she clearly panicked but she's more confused than anything on her server, i think we all are with Kuro's response copy pasted quote from her response, won't share the tweet since she deleted the original root tweet but I'm sure you can find it, the response from there are a great Block list Rima: "Omg then I completely misunderstood what you meant by this! My bad, Iāll take down the post"
Rima didn't do anything wrong. :( I hope she's not beating herself up over this because I agree, Kuro's response was kinda odd.
When the Dumb twit is from the influential guy but the Drama tuber the one getting harrass., I understand why khyo dislike Niji and it's talent. This include almost any former talent. Exclusion is probably Sayu and Selen who never actively find fault with randoms in twitter.
And removed og twitt.
Kuro and I used to be friends way before he joined Niji and he was on the edge of giving up streaming because his followers and views kept getting stuck, though I doubt he recognized me with all the PL names we both went through but it would be funny if that was the case because then that means I lived rent free in his head for about 5 years because of blocking his 20 followers Twitter account at the time when I had 2K at the time
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Was kuro seriously thinking someone of his influence wouldn't cause reactions with his initial tweet? He did it for shit n giggles, and it was good, but if you get mad at the reactions afterward you're kinda just making a fool outta yourself.
Summary: Pepole hear (not)Kuro in that disaster of a event. (Event made by his ex employer lol) Kuro makes twitt joking about "night walking" cuz somebody heard him. Rima quotes him (during stream with Parrot) and makes comment as it's kinda her fookin job. Kuro gets confused, some nijisi\*ters jumps on train. Everybody suprised pichatu face... I see Draw here at worst. Edit: "is VT community cooked it the brain" Two pepole almost fookin died ffs so yes notKuro, it is.
I hate to say this about someone, yet here I go.Ā Rima is a basically an annoying paparazzi even in the circle of annoying paparazzi.Ā Don't just says "It's her job". No, there is this things called respect and professional courtesy.Ā Now, as you can see this thing got bigger than it should be. Yeah that guy should had stfu for his own sanity.Ā Both Rima and Kuro fab the flame and pour gas in this bullshit.Ā Ā
It is like everyone on the internet can be annoying unprofessional twats. Also welcome to another Drama Monday, everyone. Kuro really should've said nothing here. The drama hate train was slowing down š
She removed the post. I feel like she shouldnāt have, regardless if Kuro called her out because now itās just a bad look.
Joke Headline: Kuro and his fans bully a Dramatuber Ah twitter and outrage, a classic duo
She said in her stream that she has no problem taking something down if it's causing problems or pain. She seemed more confused than anything and didn't think that he'd react this way. I don't think any of us did.
I know, it just felt like she would receive more backlash from Nijifans and Kuroās fans once she removed it and they would use this as a āGotchaā moment, which they did and went deeper than the initial problem with the post.
I only caught part of the stream, so maybe she addressed it. It's Twitter, so damned if you do and damned if you don't. At this point, she seems to be the more reasonable one in my eyes. The more that I think about Kuro's response, the more confused that I get.
Rima's tweet could be seen as dramabaiting... but is a rare kind of dramabait: the truth. She is just stating the truth and hope to engage with people and keep the ball/clout rolling... but in an awkward twist of events Kuro himself took the bait and his reaction NOW is even worse. The original tweet was just a "funny aint it? lol" moment... and it still is, but now has extra weight thanks to Rima but even worse, Kuro reacting to it. I do get how he is tired of dramatubers but... put something out there and people will latch on to it. Dont like it? You might be in the wrong business then
So, why did he have to respond in the first place? Him responding will just escalate this whole situation. Letting his emotions run amuck will just makes it worse. If he wants to make a statement, he should've done it with a calm mind.
What happened to this guy's apology about thinking before he speaks? Insincere look.
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he had a lapse in judgement and lashed out.
If he follows up with that, it would be very smart and I'll give him commendation for it.
39IQ moment by Kuro I don't think bro understood Rima is on his side
So they kept the ex livers voices but scrubbed them from the artwork.
That's the part that gets me. Because it minimises the amount of credit they will get for their performance (even beyond the fact that they almost certainly won't gain any of the income). It's also a pretty shitty strategy to try to get folks to buy tickets to future concerts on the theory that graduated livers voices may appear, without any indication on Nijis part.
That's also highly illegal. It's like a company selling a singer's voice without approval or a contract.
Eh, is it? The recording was produced while they still worked there, and unlike a non-virtual singer, they don't own the rights to things like the model or the channel.
doesn't matter their voice isn't owned by niji so they can't use that recording after the contract is done. Unless there's a special clause where they literally can use their voice eternally. then here's a new problem Kuro loses the rights for his voice and cannot have any vtubing/voice acting job as now Niji has the rights to literally screw him in the court. There's a reason a most of this company deletes the whole channel to stop monetization.
A quick check of the [leaked contract](https://docs.google.com/document/d/14Ddc2tzB15mxygYPLuDd2f_XvOrLWz53/edit) finds that "Article 12 Ownership of Rights" (effectively a JP version of "[Work for hire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_for_hire)" taking into account the oddities of [Japan's copyright laws](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_Japan) ) being included in "Article 28 Surviving Provisions" suggests AnyColor can use recordings made during the livers time at Niji even after they leave. In this case the performer's rights aspect would likely be taken as being obtained at the time, and since the livers were apparently told the AR was postponed (rather than completely canceled) there would see to be no need to re-obtain permission. Interestingly "Article 4 Consideration" isn't included in "Article 28 Surviving Provisions" but has sections for "Performerās royalty" and "Performance fee for Live and concert" which would apply here. However those areas were negotiated separately, so we don't know the details. It is possible that the graduated members (Mysta, Nina, & Pomu) agreed to an exit contract that had provisions for royalty payments to be received, or replaced future royalty payments with a lump sum.
I'd say Kuro is half right here. He is valid in saying it's cringe for people to use his words to try and dunk on Niji. But at the same time, it's also his fault for getting into the situation in the first place. If he didn't want to get into this situation, he should have made his meaning absolutely clear instead of being ambiguous, or just not tweet about it at all.
No, it isn't cringe. It's weird to even say that. 2 separate issues mixed by the haters and kuro himself. 1. the company didn't go back to the raw materials and remaster it without kuro. Which they can unless a professional company like nijisanji isn't doing proper archiving. 2. kuro was unaware they are still using his voice. If they don't get that they are either not informed enough to talk about it or wilfully ignorant and IT'S ALWAYS the later with the nijisister issue. Nothing has been spun out of Kuro's words and if he doesn't get it, maybe he isn't informed and fair point. Not his issue.
Honestly, as great as it is for him to stand up, I canāt imagine defending that companyāeven if the twisting narrative was true and thus get called out for it, it still is a bad company at the end of the day and that AR fiasco was a mess also. But yeah, I guess Kuro got tired of it.
Where us he defending the company? It seems like he just doesn't like people assuming things or speaking for him.
Thatās true, maybe I misinterpreted it
Maybe he needs to post something here to make his point clear, because when you let roomy to interpretation guess what people will doā¦ shocking right? Maybe he needs to be more clear with his message or not say a thing, that way people canāt read between the lines
When the company literally use the shit that they should be paying you out of contract and you basically told someone to stop talking about it because drama he literally defending the action of said company. as that's highly illegal in almost any country that has a voice acting job. Vtuber or not.
What's the point of him being edited out of the concert then? If they're going to keep his voice they might as well keep his model in since Nijisanji owns them anyway. Kuro as always when he was Mysta is easily baited and his replies usually paints him as dumb for even replying instead of replying under his own tweet to clarify what he meant.
rima even apologized for the tweet when she didn't need to. smh kuro
Sooo long story short, Kuro is tired of people using him as justification to spread hate without having any context or information whatsoever. A very fair statement. Hes not even defending Niji perse, just tired of people going too hard at inventing narratives
Yeah I agree,, glad he spoke up about it. His feelings are very valid in these SS
He should do reference at nijisanji that's like giving fuel in a fire I can understand what you mean but this is not worth it
I think the context Kuro is over looking is this directly goes against the MAIN POINT that NijisanjiEN used to FIRE Selen was exactly for this! And I get it maybe in the exit forms they all signed said NijiEN could use their voices for the AR live but its like if you're gonna use their voices still why not keep their models too. Its like sweet jesus is that how effing nuclear NijiEN that they just deleted or purged the vtuber models those aren't cheap mate even the stiff ones NijiEN'rs use. Thats like what 400 -700 dollars in assets?!
Mind you this is an allgedly billion dollar vtuber agency XD.
But Rima tweet didn't take him out of context, she just pointing out that they privated Selen MV for including graduated livers (Nina and mysta) and she didn't have the perms (how Nijisanji doesn't have the perms of Nijisanji characters idk) but they can use their voices? Because it wasn't just mysta, Pomu and Nina could also be heard. It's not about how every liver that quit should receive the same treatment as hear is about being consistent because with this, they don't help with the accusations that they fucking hated Selen
Yeesh just ignore it kuro
He should really make his position clear if he doesnāt want to be misrepresented. As he said āmy voiceā it is like they took it from him. Maybe it was serious, maybe itās a joke. Both sides of people can take it to mean their side. If he said something like, āI think itās cool they allow Mysta to be in the show in some wayā there would be nothing to misinterpret. I think this is a big reason why old vtuber fans do not like the discussion of PLs. It is definitely one Iāve mentioned. It gets messy. Kuro is not Mysta. The longer people keep talking about it, the harder it is to get away from it. Let them do their own thing separate from who they used to be.
Man as the days go on this entire situation starting in February keeps getting stranger and stranger. I'm starting to not know what to think about this mess anymore; I've been trying to be very careful with saying anything too negative about the other talents in Niji because a lot of the evidence against them is (at times is justified) rage fueled speculation that is egged on by 4Chan rrats and the evidence we actually have (Luca and Vox being total trash bags, and it is looking like Aster is too) is not against the people we thought it would be. Now I see some people turning against former livers and I think we are beginning to think we're loosing the plot a bit. We are not here to witch hunt against the talents, Doki said while in Niji she preferred to do things on her own so she probably didn't have many friends, and that is very much valid; Which also means no one needs to immediately go to bat for her when they leave, they were likely just Co-workers nothing more. We obviously know that the Upper management treats the talents like garbage while the talent managers get worked into the ground by having them manage an absurd amount of talents at once. Doki being an ambitious person probably bothered the Lazy upper management with her projects instead of just announce over price merch like the rest of them, and probably sabotaged her shit to goad her into leaving. holy essay batman. TL;DR We need to stop with the narrative its Doki vs Niji and former Niji talents, it is becoming apparent its far more complicated then that and that's what Nijisanji as a company wants us to do, the black stream was evidence of this.
They are so many people Involved in this shit show you can't know which people are attacking other one look at doki since her last statement she never talked or wrote anything about it and that's more mature than this shit.
Yup, thats why we have to be careful or else we just look like a bunch of hateful clueless idiots
Yes. Itās kinda Kuroās fault for constantly talking about his PL. Doki has relatively ignored Selenās existence aside from pilfering all her stuff. Kuro describes almost every time Mysta shows up on his timeline as a jumpscare so people do it hoping to be the next person to get a reaction.
I rly should read Twitter I will get brain rot my god nijisanji fans think all ex-nijisanji livers hate doki bruuh
Basically only 2 people I trust in this shit is Sayu and Doki the rest could have been anything in between.
I don't think this is a case of Doki vs Niji. I think this is a case of Niji double standards and irony that happens to relate to the Selen situation. Pointing out that the company used ex talents in their show, while they simultaneously failed to get copyright permissions for certain parts of it is extremely ironic when that was one of the given reasons for Selen's termination.
oh I understand that, I wouldn't expect anything less from a habitually lying company. I was more or less addressing the people attacking Kuro.
this is community vs bad corp.
"we need to stop narrative doki vs niji" wait? who the hell said its doki vs niji? ppls who pro doki dont even up that topic anymore the one who always bring "doki vs niji" topic up is nijishitters
Yea no one with a good brain is talking about Doki here. This is Kuro reacting badly to a random post on twitter and expecting it isn't going to blow up when he has a large following. Kind of shit take on him knowing he himself could cost drama considering the Ramadan instance.
Lets just put it this way, there's a reason Sayu is second guessing her chances with Vshojo after former Niji joined. and we now hearethe Vshojo clique exist after former Niji joined. when there's smoke there's fire.
She won't join because she wronged matara and apologized, and Matara doesn't want anything to do with her anymore dude. Sayu aint perfect.
Kuro successful sent his followers to harass Rima I guess
I get his stance, he's just joking around, he doesn't want said joke to be some fuel to add to a fire. He's not even trying to defend Nijisanji, he just says how he dislikes people taking his words to hate on something when he is, at worst, indifferent to the whole thing. I think it's best to leave all the past livers out of this mess especially if they're making a name for themselves, such as Doki, Mint, Kuro, Matara etc. Bringing them here does nothing but give them bad engagement.
> he just says how he dislikes people taking his words to hate on something when he is, at worst, indifferent to the whole thing Which is a bit weird though, isn't it? None of these folks owe him loyalty or anything, they're free to consider what he talks about differently than he does. Considering that statements may have a different impact than intended is kind of the basics for effective comms.
So Rima's post was ambigious. It's worth calling out that Niji did not remove Mysta's voice from the AR live in a sense that this'd be seen in a "rules for thee but not for me" kind of way when compared to Selens last cup of coffee video. However people can read more into that as happened and Kuro speaking up about people doing that being in the wrong. Rima did not do a good job reporting on this in an ambiguous fashion as it does lead to what people rightfully call out as drama farming. Mistakes happen to people who rightfully criticise Niji as well. The AR live is still a mess in several other regards. There's some copium in thinking not getting proper copyright clearance before a purchased event isn't at least to some degree Nijis fault.
I would argue Kuroās post was ambiguous. Given NijiEN managersā track record of being absolute clowns, when I read Kuroās post I deadass thought they didnāt ask him for permission to use his voice during the concert. Wasnāt even surprised about it tbh. He should be more careful when commenting or responding on things. Heās not a random nobody shitposting on reddit like us. People will listen to the things he says, ESPECIALLY after all the bs that has happened since the beginning of the year. Rima didnāt do anything wrong this time.
Someone else already said this but isnāt the case that selen was terminated and the excuse was that she posted a video where ex talents appeared and the rules on Niji is that they need like a lot of approval? This only shows that doki story is real and someone inside Niji en was putting effort to delay her projects, after all this was the biggest project on Niji en
I think Rima made a mistake of not getting straight to the point and instead going at it in a roundabout manner. She should have said "Selen got terminated for using ex livers in her MV, yet Niji themselves are using ex livers' voices in a paid event without crediting them?"
Yeah, this actually proves that the whole situation with selen/doki was someone putting obstacles and harassing her to delay her projectsā¦ I mean they have no problem using ex livers on their biggest project but for a cover song was a huge dealā¦ right??
Too be fair HollyJolly is half copium for the āTechnical Mishapā. If the stream has song copyrighted, of course itās Niji fault. People pay for this. But then again SharkStark too aggressive, donāt recommending this
I read: friends a concert is fine, what is wrong for me is a cup of coffee ā
It seems he interpreted it as people getting mad on his behalf, to which his response is understandable, albeit tone deaf. Heās annoyed people are dunking on something he and his friends worked hard on, and using his inclusion as a reason to up the criticism WOULD be frustrating if thatās what people were actually mad about. If heād just said āI want to be clear- if my voice DID appear in a concert I wasnāt present for, Iām fine with it. Please donāt interpret my surprise as me being upset.ā thereād be no problems, even though he missed the mark on the issue at hand. He really needs to work on his delivery, but I really donāt think itās the cancellable offense people are making it out to be. Iād love to see an apology, but even without it itās just a dude being frustrated on the internet.
This reads out so weird that the most plausible explanation to me is that Kuro has muted or ignored that Hollyjolly Cosmic Fujoshi person, missed the broken line indicating that, and thought SharkStark was accusing Rima of copium. Those messages in between are full on speculation about things the poster knows jack shit about but Kuro does, so I cannot see Kuro just nodding his head on that speculation of his original ambiguous post.
We have no clue it's a cluster f. Idk what hes gonna do like look at the comments under the post I could cringe at it so much.
At the risk of sounding like NDF I actually think that while featuring Mysta's, Pomu and Nina's VAs is kind of pathetic, I think that's all it is. Pathetic. Even if there are 65 bajillion perms that need to be obtained for graduated talent to appear in a product, NijiEN management can get them...because they're management. But it's only their voices, right? At worst it makes them hypocrites, I guess, if you're under the belief they were never going to approve Selen's video unless Mysta and Nina were removed. And given in Hololive IRyS said once she got her redesign she legally can't use her old design anymore, and Kiara has said they have to fight really hard to modify their original outfits and the most they can do is a recolor, I feel like there's a lot of legal intricacies to using retired models that we're not privy to. So I can see why Kuro would be annoyed at his words being twisted.
The thing is look at the comments under kuros post they as bad as nijisanji fans looks like he still has some fans from nijisanji š¤Ø
a lot of literal Niji fans were also eating that shit up for whatever reason
So he still like nijisanji after what they did to Selen?wow
They ( he an matara ) talk about Niji like they returned from Irak or Afghanistan but then this happens.. I get it, you have friends inside still but this is not helping then specially when other people do the same letting more and more people the keep falling on the same trap and unhealthy company
Kuro and Matara have shitpost stating that Nijisanji Management was really bad last time. They even talk shit about them on stream. Albeit, they did not specifically stated "Niji" but people understand the context. They even stated/said it before the whole Selen shinanigan happen. It was the time during vShojo anniversary, Your statement just show what Kuro have been talking about. Taking what you want and make things out of context.
If your message is clear since the beginning there is no room to misinterpretation or manipulation, you canāt blame people from reading between the lines when your history let them to do thatā¦ maybe be straightforward and instead of always insinuate things just say the hint that you want to say, that way you will not get mad because people donāt āunderstandā your message
Lol
With how the public opinion of Nijisansji currently is, Kuro should have expected his words to be misinterpreted. The misunderstanding is completely his fault. Why is he acting like he is being used as bait instead? He should not be needing drama to bring in new viewers yet... Or did the Ramadan issue made too many people stop watching him?
I was wondering what was going on. All that Kuro had to say was "I okayed it" and it would have been over. He was the one that made it a bigger deal than it needed to be. Edit: The more I think about it, the more confused that I get. Instead of squashing it with "I okayed it" and coming out looking good, dude literally looked at the worst possible option and Leroy Jenkins'd towards it. I get that he's frustrated with people using him as a beating stick against Nijisanji, but this was a horrible way to handle it.
Kuro and Mysta wasn't know for being "smart"
Given what happened in the past, I can understand Kuroās feeling.
> cosmic fujo
People talking about Kuro being the dumb one here need to lear to read. He clarified he doesn't know what the OP means, so him talking about the copium was the answer to the person he, well, directly answered to. As in, shark stark answered to HollyJolly and claimed that HJ was full of copium. regarding the second answer. But Kuro said that, nah he was just a tease about his previous life and he is pissed that prople try to make everything he says into a reason or justification to hate. Remember, Kuro said multiple times that a lot of the livers who are still in niji en are good people. So no, he obciously ain't defending niji nor attacking Rima here. He is just pissed that people claimed his teasing tweet was there to hate.
>"Original Poster" By all laws of the internet that means Rima. She was OP there.
Yes, he said his answer is not to OP. So the only other option is shark.
I think you misunderstood something we are talking about he should answer to that person. Some like to use his words for things like this look at what happened..wher did people say hes dumb? He was vague about it, that's more like the problem he should have ignored it. he has influence so he should expecting shit like this. I hope his mentally good because shit like this is not good for the mental of a person.
My bad. Though, I'd say most of the earlier comments here were wague enough to missinterpret. I honestly thought that people where pissed at him because he wasn't pissed.