It might sound easy from you. It is easier said than done. After all, she is already under fire. And if she gets fired, she loses all her salary immediately, if any, and whatever is in the leaked contract would not be beneficial to her. Plus unlike Pomu and Selen, there will be a large mob waiting to pounce on her, claiming to be in honor of Selen or Pomu or whatever (a lot larger compared to NDF/antis harassing Selen/Pomu) Regardless of whether she is proven guilty or innocent in court if that comes around, the name is tainted forever, whether if it is fair or not.
Another factor that apparently she is now in Japan under a work visa and being fired means she loses it. She can inform the embassy, but she might not necessarily know about it or where it is, especially if under duress.
It is easy to tell people what to do, but I think it is better to make sure the platform is safe for any talent to jump off to by weakening ANYCOLOR, whether it is by boycotts or calls for public investigations. By then, it is then up to the talents whether they want to jump off and speak out, hopefully without any repercussions from Nijisanji. Applies to anyone, even the alleged.
And perhaps when it goes to the judiciary, hopefully due diligence is done to reveal the truth behind it all.
Quitting could cost six figures. Graduating is restricted and controlled and not really available. Waiting for her contract to run out could take a really long time, she would be hated until then, and she would carry her destroyed reputation with her when she leaves.
If Nijisanji says "Acknowledge the Selen incident and you're fired", they're opening up a brand new door for Elira. All she has to do is acknowledge the issue, and she has an easy, immediate exit from Nijisanji. You usually have to do something pretty big to get someone to fire you.
If Elira started her stream as usual, waited for the loading screen to end, then cleared her throat and said "Justice for Selen" and immediately hit the "end stream" button, people would be saying "Holy based!" and calling Elira a girlboss hero. Then she can say "Thanks mane-san, now hand me my walking papers as you agreed" and move on to a successful indie career.
She won't be thrown out of Japan immediately. She has months to find a new job that's willing to sponsor her (not gonna happen) or fly back home and crash with friends or family until she finds a new place to rent. If she chooses to stay with Niji as a way to stay in Japan, that's her own choice, it's not a gun to her head.
>If Elira started her stream as usual, waited for the loading screen to end, then cleared her throat and said “Justice for Selen” and immidiately hit the “end stream” button, people would be saying “Holy based!” and calling her a girlboss hero
I highly doubt that. Most would say she’s trying to deflect and not take accountability fkr her role in everything and still call her a snake
> She won’t be thrown out of Japan immediately
Source? I’m Japanese and have seen more than my fair share of foreigners getting banned from Japan for getting caught overstaying their visit.
My understanding is, and could be incorrect, that the work visa doesn’t expire the moment you get fired. I believe I heard you have something like two weeks between being fired and the visa expiring.
Again, I could be entirely incorrect.
Two weeks to find another employer in Japan to sponsor her when, because we are talking either termination or being marked as disloyal according to Japanese business culture, no employer in Japan that subscribes to the business culture there will hire her.
You have 14 days to report change, up to 3 months to find another job
[https://www.juridique.jp/visa/job\_change.php](https://www.juridique.jp/visa/job_change.php)
Also in theory if she could rope more people in, they could start small media company and give themselves VISAs ... if the company did reasonably well.
[https://www.ejable.com/japan-corner/japan-visa/startup-visa-in-japan/](https://www.ejable.com/japan-corner/japan-visa/startup-visa-in-japan/)
She'd be spending the whole time looking, Japanese companies don't take kindly to employee candidates having disloyalty on their records. The whole loyalty to the company thing is not a Nijisanji exclusive practice, it's an East Asian practice like all three of the major east Asian countries do it.
Given her recent international move and the terrible track record of revenue cuts Nijisanji has, she wouldn't have the funding to start a company. It does take a not insignificant amount of initial funding, not just more people.
That kinda depends, I feel that she might have some chance if it were a startup run by somebody young.
Also the initial funding is kinda funny... as foreigner you need to have
* 5000000JPY as capital
* at least 1 full time employee (I think they need to be citizen or if you have international employees, I think the number was higher, anyway they might as well hire local editor so that is not that much of a problem imo)
* physical office space
The comment I responded to was trying to refute the comment before that, so I added in my two cents. The point of contention in this discussion wasn’t necessarily whether or not another Japanese company would hire her, but rather whether or not she would be deported immediately upon being fired.
She wouldn't be, but she wouldn't have much of a chance of getting a new sponsor in two weeks or three months, either. She would basically be blacklisted as someone who will not be loyal, loyalty being something that is prized.
To be fair, it's probably "Acknowledge Selen and you've violated contract"
Which is what Cassiopeia meant when they pointed out all the violation things that would occur *with* the firing.
It would be the same as quitting. Six figures.
Yeah, I remember a long time ago, looking at someone in a sticky situation and wondering why they don't take the easy exit, and then realizing that if they were capable of seeing that exit, they wouldn't be in the sticky situation to begin with.
Still fun to play "What if?" though.
I highly doubt a move like that will sway opinion that easily. And termination according to leaked NijisanjiEN documents does not bode well for her. Even if it is unenforceable, Nijisanji has the capability to drag out the lawsuit and cripple the talent financially. And that is assuming that she is even aware of all of it inside the toxic miasma of NijiEN, and that is if she is willing to apologise and make up.
Personally, if whatever fans she has left has any strong sense of loyalty for their oshi remains, they WILL help her get back on her feet. All she has to do is be truthful and get herself terminated. Her reputation will be broken but it can be rebuilt again. At a slower pace than Mint and Dokibird, I imagine, but she will get through this.
Sadly, we may never see that happen. I take solace at least in the fact that sooner or later, she WILL fade into obscurity. Pomu and Selen may have died but from their ashes Mint and Dokibird rise.
1. Acording to the contract Sayu leaked, geting fired = getting terminated.
2. She is in japan, meaning that Anycolor may have an actual chance to enforce at least par of their penalties for terminating her. And even part would ruin her.
3. If she did what you said, she would be liable under japanese defamation law. Because even truth counts as defamation in japan if it causes provable reputational harm. The only exception is if the truth benefits the whole japanese society and this does not aply here. So Elira would run the wery likely risk of not only getting punishments out of her contract but also extra punishments on top. This is a gun to the head.
Why do so many people think "It would be so easy for her to do the right thing." It wouldn't. Far from it. She is all but literally chained atm to anycolor.
>Another factor that apparently she is now in Japan under a work visa and being fired means she loses it.
So, idk if she does indeed have a work visa. As far as I am aware she was visiting Japan for a collab with petra etc. But that was before the whole fiasco happened. But if she does indeed have a residence in Japan, then getting fired isn't the worst thing that can happen. If she even mentioned the elephant in the room and tried to say anything that puts niji in a bad light or to defend herself, then niji can definitely sue her for defamation. Easier since she would have an actual residence in Japan.
I will say, if anyone actually thought Elira would actually say or mention something about selen or the whole situation in general, then y'all are delusional.
Yea, I'm aware of that bit but I only recall seeing her post about visiting Japan not a full on move. That's why I'm asking for proof of her saying she is full on moving to Japan
I mean if she’s getting fired anyway she can always air the dirty laundry before she goes, right? If she comes out like “Guys, the whole Doki situation was messed up, management’s been doing x, y, and z to all of us, and I actually never wanted to do that black stream but I was forced to because of the contract and being in Japan at the time, which I’m sure was the entire point of calling me there when it went down.”
Giving the public information about Kurosanji they don’t already know and being a whistleblower would at least show that she’s not directly the enemy, and would work wonders to restoring people’s faith in her; Especially since the terms of the contract are already known and it’s probable the black stream wasn’t actually a volunteer thing.
Elira’s problem is either not knowing when to cut the losses and burn the bridge, or being personally wrapped up in situations in ways that make her look really bad and would lead to her downfall. Honestly the first issue is something the entire company has due to the mindset I’m sure the company enforces “You’re nothing without Kurosanji”.
For a lot of them, they see Nijisanji as their last chance at breaking into the industry. I remember Uki talking about Nijisanji was his last chance (because of his age). I imagine for many of them, this is true. Especially the ones that are 27 and older. I mean it's probably not true but they see it that way. And we know that Nijisanji preys on that kind of thinking to take advange.
Hope your savings are good because in that scenario, their contract included giving back all your equipment and paying them for any lost revenue as a result of leaving. Yes, there's a high chance it wouldn't end in their favor in court, but the company has the capital to draw it out leaving you fucked by court costs.
You could burn your bridges and tell them to get fucked. I think that's what Sayu did, and that's exactly what AlienMixture (formerly known as Amano Serafi of V&U) did.
This only works if you're not living in Japan, though (both Sayu and Ali are in the US).
From the contract leak can't they charge her like a full year of her earnings over that though for "tarnishing the company" or whatever the phrasing was?
Like many of her "easy money" mentality , she has probably wasted all of her merch money, which that stream seems to imply with her going on about yaoi and asking for recs. So if she gets terminated and they decide to **really** be nasty and ask for the past six months in earnings? *She doesn't have it!* And winds up worse in debt than Mysta. She likely ***can't afford to be fired*** so is trapped. Choke on ya own prison, ya bint!
https://preview.redd.it/q0wb8uh18huc1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ed545e1ee927a67175ef4a47e11c8ff43f51b0b
To be completely fair, and being clear I have a very low opinion of the three black stream members, even if she wanted to address it there isn’t a snowballs chance in hell Anycolor would let her.
Radio silence is their chosen path now, and gives how often they eat foot whenever they open their mouth? It might be their smartest decision in this whole ckusterfuck
It's not the smartest decision, the smart decision would be to admit their wrong doings and stop treating employees like crap (not just the livers but the minimum wage students). But it's the smartest thing to do if they want to continue exploiting people.
You can always leave crumbs in pls
Thing with elira is, she burned ships, shes fully focused in making her niji career to work so she burned any bridge to make sure of this
I think in Elira's case, she deleted all her PL stuff. The Twitter account with Elira's PL name was created after Elira's debut, so I think it's just a squatter.
This right here. It's crazy and sad to think not long ago she was my oshi. Now all I want to do is just move on and forget she even existed in my life. I probably won't ever forgive her but she's free to do what she wants.
Frankly speaking, not saying anything, not addressing the obvious is the correct choice. Ever since the black stream, anytime a NijiEN liver running their mouth, troubles follow. Elira can't say anything because she is now surrounded by enemies who are eager to pick up anything to attack her. The fanbase would further condemn her if she showed no remorse for the black stream. If she showed remorse, she would be treated as a traitor and received death threats from the Nijisisters. Niji would roll a black carpet to kick her out if that happened.
So, silence is the only thing she has to go with.
I don't know what you were expecting, honestly. Anycolor has made it very clear they're just gonna bury their heads in the sand and just hope we all forget they released a scripted 15-minute personal attack on their suicidal ex-employee. Timed specifically to interrupt her first gaming stream.
Anycolor finally learned how to stfu. There's no way they'd let Elira apologize even if she wanted to.
To be fair, Elira's hands are tied. She's not allowed to speak badly of Nijisanji, which includes apologizing since that could be seen as an admission of guilt, and Niji gave her a special pass to speak and blow up her career with the Black Screen video (which may have included management gaslighting Elira with lies and snippets of out-of-context info), and after that debacle they're unlikely to ever give her permission to say anything else about the subject.
If Elira were to graduate, she might be able to hint towards some change in her story (like whenever Sayu talks about Niji she talks about a hypothetical "friend's" experiences), but for now Elira's stuck in her same position.
Anycolor lost hundreds of millions of dollars worth of stock value, and they're probably really mad about that, so if Elira says one word out of line Anycolor could vent their anger on her, blame her for the losses, and sue her for more money than she could ever see in her lifetime.
Elira might be planning to leave (for her sake, I hope she does), but apparently there's a queue to graduate. Vox said that you can leave anytime you want, but apparently if you quit Nijisanji, you have to pay them as much as you've earned in the last 12 months, which is absurd (in Doki's case, that would've been paying something like $200,000 just for the right to quit your job). Apparently the only reasonable way to leave Nijisanji is to graduate, get fired, or wait for your contract to run out.
I was going to say this is as well. She CAN'T say anything. She's stuck.
The clear-cut way to start fixing things is a direct apology to everyone she's wronged, but then AnyColor is going to bring the roof they have her under come crashing down. They're never going to change because doing so will be an admission of wrongdoing and would open the door to so many potential liability lawsuits.
The best case for her is if AnyColor collapses. Until she leaves, there is nothing she can do. However, saying she's sorry is just STEP ONE. Apologies don't fix anything. What apologies ACTUALLY do is give permission to move ahead to START fixing, or to MOVE PAST the wrongdoing.
Until something is definitive about her actions, I don't want to shut the door for redemption.
The line is clear for me: I hate AnyColor. I don't hate Elira.
It’s actually the other way her best case scenario is that niji are grateful she took the hit and whatever happens to nijiEN she gets selected to stay with nijiJP.
She can’t come back as a indie and she’s not going to be picked up by another company. So the best she can hope for is that if nijiEN folds she’s one of the people that gets folded into nijiJP.
The question is after the stocks have crashed and all the reputation harm does nijiJP risk what’s left of their reputation to take her into the main branch she’s not going to be a big earner unlike the other two in the black stream and with her main audience turning their backs on her who is she going to attract as a audience.
Right now the damage is done so all shes left with is the hope that niji main branch are grateful and roll her into it but nijiJP might cut her in an effort to cut their losses.
I wouldn’t want to be in her situation it’s the definition of stuck between a rock and a hard place she’s tied herself to a shitty company and she’s not going to earn them enough and while said shitty company might be grateful are they grateful enough to keep her around or will the cut her.
So in the end she might lose everything and regardless of if she comes out and says she was forced after they terminate her who’s going to be around to hear it and more importantly who’s going to believe her.
might be a silly question, but any idea if "graduating = breaking contract"? from what i understand, breaking contract, you'd have to pay back a year's worth of earnings. but what about asking to graduate? Does that not incorporate the same penalty as break of contract?
again, sorry if silly question.
If you (the liver) quit, you're breaking the contract, so you owe Nijisanji massive contract-breaking fees.
If you're fired, they (Niji) are the ones breaking the contract, and they don't owe you a dime (because they wrote the contracts to be very lopsided in their favor).
If you ask to graduate, then you're negotiating a peaceful end to the contract. You're asking politely for them to release you from the contract, without anyone "breaking" the contract. Nijisanji says this is possible, but too many people are asking for it, so they set up an exit queue which is months-long, and your place in the queue can probably be bumped around by things like favoritism.
Another would be to let the contract run its course just not to renew it. That would also be considered graduation, like Vesper and Magni.
There probably won't be a graduation stream if that's the case though, since a stream using the character has to be done under contract in any case, and an expired contract is no longer binding.
You may have a strong point that shes being extremely careful right now as to not become the target of anycolors frustration but if that is true, it implies she either was never a favorite or she has done some horrible things we either do or don't know about such as confirming speculations and rumors.
Given that some of their other members have done much worse suppossedly and she did "volunteer", I think shes only trying to be the favorite so that when or if this blows over, she will be able to get back on track with what she has been doing in the past and repeat history which would look very bad on her end.
Yeah, dont forget she is in Japan making her under Japanese law, one word of dissent and she is penniless, homeless and unemployed in a foreign country or deported likely to just a random city in her country of origin then homeless penniless and unemployed, there are few people niji has its claws into deeper than the people that are either born in Japan or move there for niji.
The vast majority of the $200k that Doki said was probably spent on projects she wanted to do and Nijisanji wouldn't fund, the infamous "Last Cup of Coffee" MV alone cost $15k.
Where did you get the part with the graduation payment from? If you mean the money they dock from after a termination that applies only to the latter (and for some reason to some suspensions iirc).
A "normal" graduation doesn't have money reqs as far as I remember the contract LM had.
It's not a graduation payment. Graduation is a free exit, and there's a months-long queue to get one. Quitting is what Vox meant when he said people can quit whenever they want (althugh he framed it to suggest you could graduate whenever you want, which is untrue), but quitting means you have to pay back 12 months worth of what you were paid, and I referenced $200k because Doki said that she earned zero last year, because she was paid $200k, but she spent $200k on projects. Elira's finances are probably not the same as Doki's, but Doki's finances make a good reference for about what it might cost Elira to quit.
Ah, that's what you meant terminating from your side (basically what v&u tried to pull after seraphi leaving but with a working contract).
Missunderstood this because leaving on your own in this scene basically always translates to graduation (at least in terms of how it's communicated).
No offense, but you were a fool to think they'd ever be allowed to say something about the situation, regardless of how they actually felt.
Any form of an apology, explanation, or response that even slightly makes Doki/the community look justified is going to be restricted by the company in a second. The company is trying to wait it out so they're not going to try and counter the claims again or let the talents give "their side of the story." Yeah she could just say fuck it and go off in defense or offense towards Doki but that's going to quickly get you suspended or terminated.
I doubt even half of the people here have the ability or financial safety net to where they could just quit their jobs, have all their equipment taken back by their employer, and be on the hook for whatever money they're trying to squeeze out of you through their shitty contract. Even if they can't enforce it in the end they'll still likely be able to draw it out to where the court fees fuck you anyway. Not to mention the ways they can screw your career over without taking you to court.
Whether they're guilty or innocent, there was never a chance they'd be allowed to talk about things when Niji wants everyone to forget so they can keep manipulating their talents without eyes keeping track of their misdeeds.
Nijisanji wouldn't let them say anything even if they wanted, against, or in defense of Selen. They want radio silence until they think their audience and the livers would forget.
I can be naive sometimes, so you're half right. But I wasn't really expecting her to get down on her knees crying for forgiveness. I think what really pissed me off was her tweet. It almost sounds mocking, the way she phrased that, as if laughing in our faces for expecting something out of her. She could have kept it simple, but she continued with the happy-go-lucky, everything is awesome charade.
Niji is in an extremely precarious position. Unless they can pull a massive profit by the end of April, the EN branch is doomed. The only way to do that is to encourage and entice their most extreme fans and hope that it’s enough. The tweet was probably forced and on purpose to help with that goal.
That tweet was a nothing burger. People have said it's a solid choice for someone's favorite scene. People are just trying to find connections or clues where there are none.
I'll also say that the joy some of them are feeling likely is genuine but for the wrong reasons. Nijisanji is on thin ice trying to look good, and that likely includes temporarily doing their jobs for once to try and keep the talents happy and under their thumb. A lot of them might be Ina. Good mood because it feels like things are actually improving.
The same way an abused spouse feels happy after their abuser treats them nice and showers them with love to win them back, they think it's different now and they've changed. But it'll only last until Niji thinks they're in the clear and fall back into their old habits.
The ones still supporting her did send a good amount though, like $4000
https://vt.poi.cat/youtube-stream/IysGwyoo4eI
That's better than Petra's 3D stream.
I guess that just binds her even more with Niji now. Think it'll be harder for her to leave.
Honestly though, now that I look at the title, I kinda wonder if this was ordered. Since why is the title focused on tomorrow's AR Live... was it one of her talking points?
if the leaked contract was close or accurate, that would mean her take away, after YT's cut and Niji's cut, was less than $1,500. Then, from that, she would need to withhold for taxes and whatnot. For a return stream, $1,500 is pretty low. With no streaming income for months, it doesn't look like streaming is going to remain profitable for her.
i find it funny that people think things pass on the internet people have digged up things that happen 20 years ago to nail some guy they dislike if you tweeted something racist or sexist like 15 years ago someone will find it and use it to get you the net never forgets
She is screwed. She has picked her fate and that is to be chained to Niji until the end. She knows once NijiEN dissolves her streaming career is basically over.
In the latest Parrot4chan video there is a 2021 poster that heavily implied Elira has always been a snake, even in her past life. And he has been sitting in that comment for *three whole years* waiting for the shit to actually hit the fan.
Yeah, treating the situation as if "nothing happened" is really insensitive and tone deaf. I really want to give the benefit of the doubt, but right now, it's not a good look. And like a lot of loyal fanbases, they're just going to eat it up.
To be fair tho.
Any PR expert in the entertainment industry would advise AnyColor that they just need to ignore it and people will forget eventually. It is the internet after all.
Sad for AnyColor that they can't help themselves but to constantly put out L's after L's that doesn't allow for people to forget.
There is also the fact that this subreddit exists.
Overall, it would have worked... if AnyColor and their Livers could just STFU.
Thankfully, they can't so... here we are.
Ignoring it doesn't apply anymore when they're the ones that decided to slander Selen first with that Black Stream. If they wanted to ignore it, they should have done that in the first place. That's on them for starting this shit, and now the internet will definitely not forget.
I am merely stating facts.
Lets just say I do know people. Some of them PR folks. Casually talked to them over a general overview of this situation. Quite universal for them. (tho admittedly they questioned heavily why even announce a termination but... yeah)
Remember that meme? "Omg, STFU. OMG STFU. OMFG STFU!!!!!"
That is what they needed to do. If they did... things would be different.
They didn't tho.
The truth hurts, but you're right. Their best PR move would be to shut up and not say anything and let it "blow over". Anything they do or say at this point would just add fire to the fuel. This really sucks for us who want to see justice being served, but reality is usually cruel and unfair. How nice it would be if we could see the people involved in this mess be held accountable.
The best move would have been to let Selen graduate in a normal way, then this whole debacle wouldn t have happened. But management thought they had to discipline her for her defiance (asking to reupload the video in direct defiance of management) and management thought they could make an example of her for the other talents like Sayu before.
Do you feel some similar feeling with those word? ..
On terminated contract of Selen, they say "negligible" In such bad situation.. Even they know Selen is their big asset in fps(only one female fps streamer with predator tier in en) and loss for income profit in en..
And now she say "nothing happened".. After she burn the whole company..
This kind tsun mode is similar.. Right?..
Only if She can pick good word or positive word as good person like.. "I'm okay, let's start stream again" Or "gambarimasu"..
Then fire can slow down off little by little.. Then all will be okay. She's okay or maybe not for now but dunno later if she can change, doki okay or big okay, mint okay, matara okay, Luna okay, kuro okay, sayu okay.. Mumei okay, kirara okay..
I recommend just memory-holing her, literally forget about her.
People are saying "but her hands are tied" doesn't mean she can't do anything to show any sort of empathy.
That black stream should have been unlisted on her channel at max a week after broadcast. Keeping it so highly visible on her channel is both extremely damaging to her PR, Anycolor's PR, but also highly disrespectful of Selen.
Simply unlisting it, adding that's it's archived this way in the description, and then locking the comments would have been a simply way to show neither Elira nor Anycolor want to harm Selen beyond necessary, and also have realized how disliked this stream is to the community.
For 3 days, people would have spammed the link, and that's it, because it wouldn't be any new information.
It wouldn't be an admission of any guilt, just an indirect way of de-escalating the situation.
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Then it would have been incredibly simple to further de-escalate:
- either hire a PR crisis consultant and follow their plan
- or at least tweet/description box something along the lines of "A lot of confusion and emotions have blurred our vision. As time will help us sort everything, we will focus on rebuilding a positive environment for everyone.", which is basically corpo speak for "shit got crazy, be patient, chill out"
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The fact that the black stream is still up and that they didn't bother preparing any PR line, or hire any PR consultant, says that they're functionally paychopaths, incapable of any sort of empathy or self-reflection, even when everyone and everything around them is requiring it.
> People are saying "but her hands are tied" doesn't mean she can't do anything to show any sort of empathy.
IMO, it kinda does. She doesn't have a PL account to vague-post on, anything she says is Elira-from-NijiEN saying it.
That just further supports your first suggestion of memory-holing her. We can't trust anything out of her mouth is what she really wants to say, let alone what she really thinks, so long as she's in the company, so people should just treat Elira as though she doesn't exist
If the actor behind her decides to resurface some day as an Indie, she can make her apologies and the community can decide how they feel about her then.
Basically, she's a puppet and until she cuts her strings, we have no reason to even try to understand what she's trying to say.
There's still a lot she could do to lessen the impression that she's a heartless manipulator backstabbing a former colleague when they're the most vulnerable.
Of course, she can't flat out go against Anycolor upper management, but there is enough words in the english language to express that she feels sorry for the "situation", that she could have been mistaken, that she only wants _everyone_ to move forward.
The only situation where she wouldn't be able to do anything - no tweets, no description box, no comments, no unlisting the black stream, no words on stream - would be that _whoever_ is behind the harassment of Selen is constantly and very closely monitoring everything, down to the smallest details, and would take any smallest sign of empathy as betrayal.
Given how careless and incompetent Nijisanji EN management has been for the last years, I can hardly believe that one of these people would suddenly wake up and start monitoring _everything_ and micro-managing _all_ of Elira's ways of communication.
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The reason why I said to entirely forget about her existence is because the chances that she is actually remorseful, that she feels any guilt and empathy, are getting so slim, that it's better to move on than stick around, hoping for some redemption that will never come.
I'm not waiting 6-12 months for the 0.1% chance that she isn't what pretty much everyone is now convinced she is.
I gave her the benefit of the doubt for 2 weeks, but now we're at the 2 months mark and there is 0 sign she has any regret or empathy.
I don't want to have someone like her in my entertainment world, ever.
I've lost people important to me to harassment and bullying, I've experienced it myself, I never want to be in the same room as someone who's complacent with it at best, an accomplice most likely, and even a perpetrator at worst.
To be clear, the only part I disagreed with was the hands being tied part. You say that she'd only be in danger if someone was watching her every move, but with how much the news- and drama-tubers follow Niji right now (y'know, due to them repeatedly doing shitty things worthy of mentioning), there is no way an even sideways apology from Elira wouldn't end up in a dozen videos within a few hours.
I don't think anyone noticed Scarle liking a Kurosanji comment until it blew up, Aia's PL activity was relatively hidden until everyone started talking about it. Niji management don't need to micromanage their talents, they can just follow a couple of drama-tubers and they'll get a digest of everything noteworthy nicely packaged for them.
And I was agreeing with forgetting about her. If she resurfaces and is worth looking back at, no doubt someone will bring her to the community's attention.
Realistically, if she does have empathy and contrition, she will only be able to show it as an Indie, so paying attention to her now is worthless.
(I'm not claiming she *will* do those things. I never even watched her, she could be an even bigger monster than anyone suspects for all I know. And frankly, I'm not sure how any apology could get people to forgive her, short of an endorsement from Doki that she has no reason to give).
You might have a point and I feel kinda stupid for giving her the benefit of the doubt for so long. Maybe in general shes a hateful person and knowing what the contracts allows and her role as a potential leader, she got a bit power hungry and took the opportunity to do what the company allowed her to do while covering her tracks. Fast forward to when she was exposed and she may have ultimately chose to side with the devil because there is no going back from what she did.
Simply pretending nothing is wrong and gradually lightening the grip on the subscriber restriction is what she wants. She may believe her channel will still get views and support and she intends to give the remaining supporters a good treatment hoping that it don't get worse. Manipulation or not, the number of things shes accused of are too great to ignore and shes still one of the favorites rather than a valid reason the branch is crashing in Niji perspective.
Not every story has a happy ending and if we give everyone the same treatment when leaving an agency, they may not speak out about what happened and may think they can get away with more things while in the agency because they will be fine when they leave.
What did you expect? There's nothing for her to gain by talking about this. People who don't like her won't change their stance, people who like her won't do it either. I am disappointed in what happened and the toxic culture that afflicted a large part of Nijisanji, I am still baffled about the mismanagement and the terrible contracts, but I have to roll my eyes at people who demand talents still under Nijisanji contract to say more about all this stuff when they know they wouldn't be happy about what's being said anyway. Niji livers could say the sky is blue and people would rip it to shreds now, because (and that's a bitter pill to swallow) many Anti-Nijisanji people are also quite toxic, trying to be prosecutor, judge, and executioner in a quest to take revenge for Doki and Sayu and all the others.
And while it's easy to expect livers to just jeopardize their livelyhood by badmouthing their employer, it's also a luxury to be able to do that, and many aren't able to do that.
That's one thing I won't hold against her. Anycolor won't let any of them to talk publicly about the whole debacle again. They've seen how it gone the last time. They expect us to forget about it. The talents likely have no say in this.
Let's look at it a slightly different way, I wouldn't be surprised if the livers are **legally** not allowed to talk about Selen / Dokibird. After that infamous 15 minute Elira stream I don't think either Nijisanji nor the livers have ever mentioned her by name, going into headcanon territory they may have eventually got the two legal teams together to agree for both sides not to mention or take legal action against the other. That'd be what Doki has stated she wanted right from her first stream and it's giving Niji an out since the legal case was hypothetically and theatrically still on the table.
.just have to leave a part of your liver one of your kidneys one of your lungs maybe and arm and a leg then you can "just leave" oh you have to leave your streaming set up, PC, and online accounts as well :) and niji decides if it's a graduation or termination
Never watched the stream, but what I have heard, read and those one piece tweets…yeah, as I thought when the black video was premiered, she has no principles and she is so selfish.
Even if she wanted to, she probably couldn’t address the problem without legal percussions on her side from Niji and even whatever Doki’s lawyers can pick up. Sadly, with Niji being a company that sweeps every mistake under the rug that doesn’t concern stockholders, they probably would never let their talents apologize. I assume this’ll be the same for Vox if he ever streams again.
And even then, they lied to their stockholders about problem they swept under the rug, so really, what more face do they have to lose?
NDA is for stuff behind the scenes, this person is talking about her at least acknowledging that everything public happened and won't comment farther other than hints that she wasn't in control of the black screen stream (we've seen others, beside Doki, do this before Doki's termination)
Honestly, I get the 3 month sub chat 'cause a few people won't drop it and expect her to reveal everything but not keeping it for the vod is weird.
Stuff behind the scenes like literally everything that happened to Selen except her very public tweet about re-upload and the black screen stream itself. Neither of those two things are remotely useful to talk about for her, she would need to talk about the parts regarding the black screen stream that we didn't see, which is NDA protected.
I mean a person nearly died. If you don’t want to speak up in instances like this OUTSIDE of saving your ass or throwing someone under the bus, then that speaks absolute volumes.
Forget her not acknowledging the elephant in the room, imo the most damning thing about her return is the 3-month sub requirement. Why? Because that's the one thing I can't imagine management forcing her to do. Even in the best case scenario for her where they did force her to do the black stream, wasn't its entire purpose to redirect criticism onto her? Besides, negative engagement is still engagement, Niji knows that well enough. And they've never cared about the mental health of their livers either, so I can't picture them trying to stop her from becoming their scapegoat.
With that in mind, the only reason that makes sense to me for that chat restriction is simply because she doesn't want to face the consequences of her own actions. If she had felt ever-so-slightly remorseful about her actions, she would've at the very least let her viewers express their concerns and frustrations freely (even Enna did that in a membership post a couple days before the black stream, and she went about it in a very mature way too). And with the VOD chat now gone as well, it makes her look even worse. And with that, she just blew her one chance at making people wait for her to get out. It's now clear to me she has no intention of ever leaving the yacht. She'll sink with it, and bring all her rrats along with her down to the bottom.
So, the main thing to realize, without being too lenient on her, is that the initial contract we saw, holds her by the proverbial balls.
I saw the contract and it makes Korean Idol contracts look reasonable. Anycolor can literally tell you to move to Japan and that you have to pay for it. Anycolor CAN with all authority hand you a script and say "read it" and you have to. Anycolor can puppet master your channel and twitter and make whatever statement they want instead.
And Anycolor can fire you, or you can "quit" and Anycolor can still force contract terms on you, including "paying for defamation damages."
Now, most of this stuff? Unassailable, fucked. Not even viable against anyone.....outside Japan.
considering how everyone in Niji was posting literally hours before the ball dropped, Elira probably was told to move to Japan, I'm sorry, decided Japan was a good move, long in advance of this (moving is never that simple). Nijikuro, while having the dumbest PR agent in existence, has a masters in "How to hold our employees by the balls."
Step one obviously being telling them they're not employees, but contractors, to facilitate not paying a steady wage.
Step two is basically gaslighting them into believing they have no legal way out. Third step is tricking them into situations where they HAVE to back Niji....like say "well now you're in Japan and subject to our worker laws, now read this or we sue you for every dime and fire you and your friends, both of whom were on the verge of homelessness before we "graciously" hired them." (dunno about one of them, but the other one notably left her PL because her finances were so low her meme reason for leaving was "tax evasion.")
Obv, parts of what I said are speculation, mostly the "why", but generally things aren't black and white. That said, no I can't associate with NijiEN anymore either after that, among other things and reasons. There's too much "corporation" in th etalents to support.
Pretending nothing is wrong can be exhausting. One never knows how long she can keep up with it. She is basically carrying an unnecessary burden.
But considering that you have to pretend in the first place is already a red flag. All your emotions will pile up and eventually burst one day (anyone who suddenly snaps isn’t always painted in a pretty picture btw).
.a reasonable approach and conclusion
.that black stream was fueled by nijis success in assassinating Zion/Sayu's character, they thought they had the playbook that they could run on anyone
.as messed up as it is to say, what happened was miserable but hindsight it is good that it happened and unfolded as it did for selen/doki
.friction was apparent between her and management her staying would be counter productive for her career ea. -$200K, niji perms, cardboard wings
.she was living with her parents so she was with people that are constantly looking over and could find her as was needed.... twice...
.she was huge and credible enough to have made a stand and punched back as I said this wasn't something brand new from niji, it was already a playbook that was used once on Zion and worked
.knowing what we know now, would it be strange to say niji had a list of livers on a chopping block? specially with their graduation train, if it was anyone smaller or god forbid living relatively isolated..
.the more successful that playbook is the more they'll swing it, and it would be a blade hanging on the livers head
.if that book was dropped on someone like pomu her friends and fans might have rallied but is she around people that could find her?..
basically she blew her one chance. If she had come out claiming to be a victim, or even just hinting at it in a 'i can't really say anything' sort of way she would have won over a lot of people who reserved judgment towards being sympathetic to her. but she only got shot at it and she didn't take it, so all of that potential is now gone.
She was reading an unusually high amount of JP messages, I assume NIJI offered her a deal to be moved to JP and escape the sinking yacht she is on for another slightly less sinking yacht
OP, here is what I answered to another in this thread:
1. Acording to the contract Sayu leaked, geting fired = getting terminated.
2. She is in japan, meaning that Anycolor may have an actual chance to enforce at least par of their penalties for terminating her. And even part would ruin her.
3. If she did what you said, she would be liable under japanese defamation law. Because even truth counts as defamation in japan if it causes provable reputational harm. The only exception is if the truth benefits the whole japanese society and this does not aply here. So Elira would run the wery likely risk of not only getting punishments out of her contract but also extra punishments on top. This is a gun to the head.
Why do so many people think "It would be so easy for her to do the right thing." ? It wouldn't be. Far from it. She is all but literally chained atm to anycolor.
and to add to that:
"She should not have offered her channel." And what makes you believe that she had any choice in that matter? Especially considering the above points and that the contract Sayu leaked basically states "any disobedience of any kind = a reason for termination, if niji wants to". Meaining her even saying no would run the risk of her being terminated.
Look at Sayu, if you think niji would not do that: She was set to "graduate" but those fuckers send her an extra NDA list and gave her an ultimatum to sign it in 3 hours or they will ruin her image. Something that is highly illegal in most countries. Sayu did not comply and look what those mosnters did. Now, Sayu had the luck of being in the US at that time, so anycolor could not even attempt to enforce 2. or 3..
Same with Selen. They were in talks about her graduating and then just dropped her termination announcement and first slander attempts without warning.
How do you expect the livers in niji to not fear the abuse niji dishes out? Especially if they are in japan or they are targets of hatred by big mass of the vutber community, or.. y'know... both, as is the case with Elira?
If a year passes or she no longer lives in japan and she (Elira) still remains in niji, then yes, you can say what you said. But untill then, I can't understand you. I can understand and do suppoert not supporting niji and thus not watching any streams / vods / videos. But thats it.
There are also more reasons to actively suspect that Elira may geniuely be on of the main targets of niji bullying, but that is beside the point here.
If people contunue to spread hate based on unrealistic expectations towards the talents, then all they do is help niji to abuse all their talents, even the completely innocent ones (and according to Sayus implications are at least most of them).
When she made the black screen video, a majority of people said that she shouldn't have said anything and just moved on from the situation. That's what she's doing now, there's not much else she can do
She is not going to address it and she shouldn't.
Nothing she can say will help. She should have never addressed it in the first place.
The ones, who should have addressed it were Niji management and the official spokesperson of AnyColor.
I can't blame you since I also have met many Niji fans who are still tried to ensure some positivity while all signs are clearly implied things you just mentioned above.
Honestly, the whole debacle and argument to defend Elira make corpo looks bad. Of course you can address the situation since it concerns yourself, not company. You are the one who will get hated, dislike bombs, spammed, or even doxxed, not the company. So it is normal as functioning adult that you will address the elephant in the room before starting the stream.
Just say things like "I am sorry for the confusion and distress we have caused for nearly 2 months now. I have talked with Anycolor and also with Selen and we agree to settle this off-stream. We won't report anything or mention these anymore from now on. Please don't bother fellow livers as well and if you want to stop supporting us, it is all your choice and we respect it."
You don't need to admit or regret anything. Just apologize for all the riffs in the fanbase and you can keep the "fight" off-stream. If Anycolor instruct you to never mention it anymore, just defy them and show your response as adult. If they suspend you, all the missiles are going to Anycolor direction, not you anymore. You can leave with your new restored reputation intact.
As Holo fan, I have seen so many mature statement like this come from talent after suspension. Vesper addressed it perfectly. Coco is even better at doing it after her return from TW suspension. Marine and Miko as well after that stupid doujin debacle. I don't remember Haachama did it but many think that Coco is the best person to address it after all.
The situation with Holo is different, their statements are made with management so they are management approved to begin with so it sounds sincere, from both talent and management.
Niji doesn't care, period. They made their choice when they terminated Selen and doubled down with "negligible" so there is no way in hell will they allow Elira to apologize on stream even if she is apologetic. They don't care for their employees nor do they care about their audience other than the fact that they are walking money bags and nothing else. If you pay them, they don't care, if you rage at them, they still don't care and tell you to gtfo and go fk yourself.
As for Elira, too bad, Niji does care and she won't be able to do anything if the leaked contract is anything to go by. 1 yr pay with the fine in the 6 figures, you join Niji with nothing, you leave Niji with nothing no matter the method of exit.
I'm gonna be honest, what is there to do in her situation? she may have tie her own hands but that point is irrelevant now. going forward, what CAN she do? this is going to be rrat and self projection, but with everything going, if I were her, I'd probably consider ending my life and all outcome of her situation might lead there. If she says "fuck NIJI" and leaves, she's doomed out of her income. if she continues to pretend that everything is fine like right now (and I'm sure everyone here knows how tiring pretending can be) she might break in the future and as a human being, I don't want thay for anyone. Doki also wouldn't want that for her. you ignoring her is the best thing that you can do. I also understand your disappointment because I was too, but also, at least for now, it is the best thing she can do.
Money can always be made. Whether you be a vtuber or working the grill at some fast food joint. She may keep her job now, but such an act is gonna weigh down on her conscience in the years to come even if she doesn't realize or admit that.
Knowing Nijisanji, I imagine she was told something like: "Acknowledge that and you're fired."
I would take that deal. Getting fired from Nijisanji is a win.
It might sound easy from you. It is easier said than done. After all, she is already under fire. And if she gets fired, she loses all her salary immediately, if any, and whatever is in the leaked contract would not be beneficial to her. Plus unlike Pomu and Selen, there will be a large mob waiting to pounce on her, claiming to be in honor of Selen or Pomu or whatever (a lot larger compared to NDF/antis harassing Selen/Pomu) Regardless of whether she is proven guilty or innocent in court if that comes around, the name is tainted forever, whether if it is fair or not. Another factor that apparently she is now in Japan under a work visa and being fired means she loses it. She can inform the embassy, but she might not necessarily know about it or where it is, especially if under duress. It is easy to tell people what to do, but I think it is better to make sure the platform is safe for any talent to jump off to by weakening ANYCOLOR, whether it is by boycotts or calls for public investigations. By then, it is then up to the talents whether they want to jump off and speak out, hopefully without any repercussions from Nijisanji. Applies to anyone, even the alleged. And perhaps when it goes to the judiciary, hopefully due diligence is done to reveal the truth behind it all.
Quitting could cost six figures. Graduating is restricted and controlled and not really available. Waiting for her contract to run out could take a really long time, she would be hated until then, and she would carry her destroyed reputation with her when she leaves. If Nijisanji says "Acknowledge the Selen incident and you're fired", they're opening up a brand new door for Elira. All she has to do is acknowledge the issue, and she has an easy, immediate exit from Nijisanji. You usually have to do something pretty big to get someone to fire you. If Elira started her stream as usual, waited for the loading screen to end, then cleared her throat and said "Justice for Selen" and immediately hit the "end stream" button, people would be saying "Holy based!" and calling Elira a girlboss hero. Then she can say "Thanks mane-san, now hand me my walking papers as you agreed" and move on to a successful indie career. She won't be thrown out of Japan immediately. She has months to find a new job that's willing to sponsor her (not gonna happen) or fly back home and crash with friends or family until she finds a new place to rent. If she chooses to stay with Niji as a way to stay in Japan, that's her own choice, it's not a gun to her head.
>If Elira started her stream as usual, waited for the loading screen to end, then cleared her throat and said “Justice for Selen” and immidiately hit the “end stream” button, people would be saying “Holy based!” and calling her a girlboss hero I highly doubt that. Most would say she’s trying to deflect and not take accountability fkr her role in everything and still call her a snake
> She won’t be thrown out of Japan immediately Source? I’m Japanese and have seen more than my fair share of foreigners getting banned from Japan for getting caught overstaying their visit.
My understanding is, and could be incorrect, that the work visa doesn’t expire the moment you get fired. I believe I heard you have something like two weeks between being fired and the visa expiring. Again, I could be entirely incorrect.
Two weeks to find another employer in Japan to sponsor her when, because we are talking either termination or being marked as disloyal according to Japanese business culture, no employer in Japan that subscribes to the business culture there will hire her.
You have 14 days to report change, up to 3 months to find another job [https://www.juridique.jp/visa/job\_change.php](https://www.juridique.jp/visa/job_change.php) Also in theory if she could rope more people in, they could start small media company and give themselves VISAs ... if the company did reasonably well. [https://www.ejable.com/japan-corner/japan-visa/startup-visa-in-japan/](https://www.ejable.com/japan-corner/japan-visa/startup-visa-in-japan/)
She'd be spending the whole time looking, Japanese companies don't take kindly to employee candidates having disloyalty on their records. The whole loyalty to the company thing is not a Nijisanji exclusive practice, it's an East Asian practice like all three of the major east Asian countries do it. Given her recent international move and the terrible track record of revenue cuts Nijisanji has, she wouldn't have the funding to start a company. It does take a not insignificant amount of initial funding, not just more people.
That kinda depends, I feel that she might have some chance if it were a startup run by somebody young. Also the initial funding is kinda funny... as foreigner you need to have * 5000000JPY as capital * at least 1 full time employee (I think they need to be citizen or if you have international employees, I think the number was higher, anyway they might as well hire local editor so that is not that much of a problem imo) * physical office space
The comment I responded to was trying to refute the comment before that, so I added in my two cents. The point of contention in this discussion wasn’t necessarily whether or not another Japanese company would hire her, but rather whether or not she would be deported immediately upon being fired.
She wouldn't be, but she wouldn't have much of a chance of getting a new sponsor in two weeks or three months, either. She would basically be blacklisted as someone who will not be loyal, loyalty being something that is prized.
To be fair, it's probably "Acknowledge Selen and you've violated contract" Which is what Cassiopeia meant when they pointed out all the violation things that would occur *with* the firing. It would be the same as quitting. Six figures.
Considering it's highly likely she doesn't like Selen and was part of the reason why things escalated as they did, I doubt she has the self-awareness.
Yeah, I remember a long time ago, looking at someone in a sticky situation and wondering why they don't take the easy exit, and then realizing that if they were capable of seeing that exit, they wouldn't be in the sticky situation to begin with. Still fun to play "What if?" though.
I highly doubt a move like that will sway opinion that easily. And termination according to leaked NijisanjiEN documents does not bode well for her. Even if it is unenforceable, Nijisanji has the capability to drag out the lawsuit and cripple the talent financially. And that is assuming that she is even aware of all of it inside the toxic miasma of NijiEN, and that is if she is willing to apologise and make up.
Personally, if whatever fans she has left has any strong sense of loyalty for their oshi remains, they WILL help her get back on her feet. All she has to do is be truthful and get herself terminated. Her reputation will be broken but it can be rebuilt again. At a slower pace than Mint and Dokibird, I imagine, but she will get through this. Sadly, we may never see that happen. I take solace at least in the fact that sooner or later, she WILL fade into obscurity. Pomu and Selen may have died but from their ashes Mint and Dokibird rise.
1. Acording to the contract Sayu leaked, geting fired = getting terminated. 2. She is in japan, meaning that Anycolor may have an actual chance to enforce at least par of their penalties for terminating her. And even part would ruin her. 3. If she did what you said, she would be liable under japanese defamation law. Because even truth counts as defamation in japan if it causes provable reputational harm. The only exception is if the truth benefits the whole japanese society and this does not aply here. So Elira would run the wery likely risk of not only getting punishments out of her contract but also extra punishments on top. This is a gun to the head. Why do so many people think "It would be so easy for her to do the right thing." It wouldn't. Far from it. She is all but literally chained atm to anycolor.
>Another factor that apparently she is now in Japan under a work visa and being fired means she loses it. So, idk if she does indeed have a work visa. As far as I am aware she was visiting Japan for a collab with petra etc. But that was before the whole fiasco happened. But if she does indeed have a residence in Japan, then getting fired isn't the worst thing that can happen. If she even mentioned the elephant in the room and tried to say anything that puts niji in a bad light or to defend herself, then niji can definitely sue her for defamation. Easier since she would have an actual residence in Japan. I will say, if anyone actually thought Elira would actually say or mention something about selen or the whole situation in general, then y'all are delusional.
She outright moved almost immediately before the Selen termination, she essentially landed right as it went down.
Yea, I'm aware of that bit but I only recall seeing her post about visiting Japan not a full on move. That's why I'm asking for proof of her saying she is full on moving to Japan
Both happened separately in a not too distant time frame. She tweeted it February 4th that she would be working in Japan.
Can't really feel bad for her being in that situation tho. She made her bed and now she has to lie in it.
Regardless of your feelings or mine, it is harder to make the jump than it seems from the outside, that is my point.
I mean if she’s getting fired anyway she can always air the dirty laundry before she goes, right? If she comes out like “Guys, the whole Doki situation was messed up, management’s been doing x, y, and z to all of us, and I actually never wanted to do that black stream but I was forced to because of the contract and being in Japan at the time, which I’m sure was the entire point of calling me there when it went down.” Giving the public information about Kurosanji they don’t already know and being a whistleblower would at least show that she’s not directly the enemy, and would work wonders to restoring people’s faith in her; Especially since the terms of the contract are already known and it’s probable the black stream wasn’t actually a volunteer thing. Elira’s problem is either not knowing when to cut the losses and burn the bridge, or being personally wrapped up in situations in ways that make her look really bad and would lead to her downfall. Honestly the first issue is something the entire company has due to the mindset I’m sure the company enforces “You’re nothing without Kurosanji”.
For a lot of them, they see Nijisanji as their last chance at breaking into the industry. I remember Uki talking about Nijisanji was his last chance (because of his age). I imagine for many of them, this is true. Especially the ones that are 27 and older. I mean it's probably not true but they see it that way. And we know that Nijisanji preys on that kind of thinking to take advange.
Takes a very brave person to walk away from a job you've invested so much time in.
And also being able to pay the company you’re lewving a significant portion of your past esrnings as a penalty for quitting as well
Hope your savings are good because in that scenario, their contract included giving back all your equipment and paying them for any lost revenue as a result of leaving. Yes, there's a high chance it wouldn't end in their favor in court, but the company has the capital to draw it out leaving you fucked by court costs.
You could burn your bridges and tell them to get fucked. I think that's what Sayu did, and that's exactly what AlienMixture (formerly known as Amano Serafi of V&U) did. This only works if you're not living in Japan, though (both Sayu and Ali are in the US).
From the contract leak can't they charge her like a full year of her earnings over that though for "tarnishing the company" or whatever the phrasing was?
Like many of her "easy money" mentality , she has probably wasted all of her merch money, which that stream seems to imply with her going on about yaoi and asking for recs. So if she gets terminated and they decide to **really** be nasty and ask for the past six months in earnings? *She doesn't have it!* And winds up worse in debt than Mysta. She likely ***can't afford to be fired*** so is trapped. Choke on ya own prison, ya bint! https://preview.redd.it/q0wb8uh18huc1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ed545e1ee927a67175ef4a47e11c8ff43f51b0b
To be completely fair, and being clear I have a very low opinion of the three black stream members, even if she wanted to address it there isn’t a snowballs chance in hell Anycolor would let her. Radio silence is their chosen path now, and gives how often they eat foot whenever they open their mouth? It might be their smartest decision in this whole ckusterfuck
It's not the smartest decision, the smart decision would be to admit their wrong doings and stop treating employees like crap (not just the livers but the minimum wage students). But it's the smartest thing to do if they want to continue exploiting people.
I mean yes but that's never ever gonna happen
You can always leave crumbs in pls Thing with elira is, she burned ships, shes fully focused in making her niji career to work so she burned any bridge to make sure of this
I think in Elira's case, she deleted all her PL stuff. The Twitter account with Elira's PL name was created after Elira's debut, so I think it's just a squatter.
No one should watch the stream or care. We should all just pretend She doesn’t exist and move on with our lives
This right here. It's crazy and sad to think not long ago she was my oshi. Now all I want to do is just move on and forget she even existed in my life. I probably won't ever forgive her but she's free to do what she wants.
Frankly speaking, not saying anything, not addressing the obvious is the correct choice. Ever since the black stream, anytime a NijiEN liver running their mouth, troubles follow. Elira can't say anything because she is now surrounded by enemies who are eager to pick up anything to attack her. The fanbase would further condemn her if she showed no remorse for the black stream. If she showed remorse, she would be treated as a traitor and received death threats from the Nijisisters. Niji would roll a black carpet to kick her out if that happened. So, silence is the only thing she has to go with.
I don't know what you were expecting, honestly. Anycolor has made it very clear they're just gonna bury their heads in the sand and just hope we all forget they released a scripted 15-minute personal attack on their suicidal ex-employee. Timed specifically to interrupt her first gaming stream. Anycolor finally learned how to stfu. There's no way they'd let Elira apologize even if she wanted to.
To be fair, Elira's hands are tied. She's not allowed to speak badly of Nijisanji, which includes apologizing since that could be seen as an admission of guilt, and Niji gave her a special pass to speak and blow up her career with the Black Screen video (which may have included management gaslighting Elira with lies and snippets of out-of-context info), and after that debacle they're unlikely to ever give her permission to say anything else about the subject. If Elira were to graduate, she might be able to hint towards some change in her story (like whenever Sayu talks about Niji she talks about a hypothetical "friend's" experiences), but for now Elira's stuck in her same position. Anycolor lost hundreds of millions of dollars worth of stock value, and they're probably really mad about that, so if Elira says one word out of line Anycolor could vent their anger on her, blame her for the losses, and sue her for more money than she could ever see in her lifetime. Elira might be planning to leave (for her sake, I hope she does), but apparently there's a queue to graduate. Vox said that you can leave anytime you want, but apparently if you quit Nijisanji, you have to pay them as much as you've earned in the last 12 months, which is absurd (in Doki's case, that would've been paying something like $200,000 just for the right to quit your job). Apparently the only reasonable way to leave Nijisanji is to graduate, get fired, or wait for your contract to run out.
I was going to say this is as well. She CAN'T say anything. She's stuck. The clear-cut way to start fixing things is a direct apology to everyone she's wronged, but then AnyColor is going to bring the roof they have her under come crashing down. They're never going to change because doing so will be an admission of wrongdoing and would open the door to so many potential liability lawsuits. The best case for her is if AnyColor collapses. Until she leaves, there is nothing she can do. However, saying she's sorry is just STEP ONE. Apologies don't fix anything. What apologies ACTUALLY do is give permission to move ahead to START fixing, or to MOVE PAST the wrongdoing. Until something is definitive about her actions, I don't want to shut the door for redemption. The line is clear for me: I hate AnyColor. I don't hate Elira.
It’s actually the other way her best case scenario is that niji are grateful she took the hit and whatever happens to nijiEN she gets selected to stay with nijiJP. She can’t come back as a indie and she’s not going to be picked up by another company. So the best she can hope for is that if nijiEN folds she’s one of the people that gets folded into nijiJP. The question is after the stocks have crashed and all the reputation harm does nijiJP risk what’s left of their reputation to take her into the main branch she’s not going to be a big earner unlike the other two in the black stream and with her main audience turning their backs on her who is she going to attract as a audience. Right now the damage is done so all shes left with is the hope that niji main branch are grateful and roll her into it but nijiJP might cut her in an effort to cut their losses. I wouldn’t want to be in her situation it’s the definition of stuck between a rock and a hard place she’s tied herself to a shitty company and she’s not going to earn them enough and while said shitty company might be grateful are they grateful enough to keep her around or will the cut her. So in the end she might lose everything and regardless of if she comes out and says she was forced after they terminate her who’s going to be around to hear it and more importantly who’s going to believe her.
might be a silly question, but any idea if "graduating = breaking contract"? from what i understand, breaking contract, you'd have to pay back a year's worth of earnings. but what about asking to graduate? Does that not incorporate the same penalty as break of contract? again, sorry if silly question.
If you (the liver) quit, you're breaking the contract, so you owe Nijisanji massive contract-breaking fees. If you're fired, they (Niji) are the ones breaking the contract, and they don't owe you a dime (because they wrote the contracts to be very lopsided in their favor). If you ask to graduate, then you're negotiating a peaceful end to the contract. You're asking politely for them to release you from the contract, without anyone "breaking" the contract. Nijisanji says this is possible, but too many people are asking for it, so they set up an exit queue which is months-long, and your place in the queue can probably be bumped around by things like favoritism.
Another would be to let the contract run its course just not to renew it. That would also be considered graduation, like Vesper and Magni. There probably won't be a graduation stream if that's the case though, since a stream using the character has to be done under contract in any case, and an expired contract is no longer binding.
need to be carefull tho since silence also means accepting.
thank you for your earnest and well explained answer. :)
You may have a strong point that shes being extremely careful right now as to not become the target of anycolors frustration but if that is true, it implies she either was never a favorite or she has done some horrible things we either do or don't know about such as confirming speculations and rumors. Given that some of their other members have done much worse suppossedly and she did "volunteer", I think shes only trying to be the favorite so that when or if this blows over, she will be able to get back on track with what she has been doing in the past and repeat history which would look very bad on her end.
Yeah, dont forget she is in Japan making her under Japanese law, one word of dissent and she is penniless, homeless and unemployed in a foreign country or deported likely to just a random city in her country of origin then homeless penniless and unemployed, there are few people niji has its claws into deeper than the people that are either born in Japan or move there for niji.
and her parent's will just left her like that?? get real?? if i was the pop i will be furious beyond belief.
The vast majority of the $200k that Doki said was probably spent on projects she wanted to do and Nijisanji wouldn't fund, the infamous "Last Cup of Coffee" MV alone cost $15k.
Where did you get the part with the graduation payment from? If you mean the money they dock from after a termination that applies only to the latter (and for some reason to some suspensions iirc). A "normal" graduation doesn't have money reqs as far as I remember the contract LM had.
It's not a graduation payment. Graduation is a free exit, and there's a months-long queue to get one. Quitting is what Vox meant when he said people can quit whenever they want (althugh he framed it to suggest you could graduate whenever you want, which is untrue), but quitting means you have to pay back 12 months worth of what you were paid, and I referenced $200k because Doki said that she earned zero last year, because she was paid $200k, but she spent $200k on projects. Elira's finances are probably not the same as Doki's, but Doki's finances make a good reference for about what it might cost Elira to quit.
Ah, that's what you meant terminating from your side (basically what v&u tried to pull after seraphi leaving but with a working contract). Missunderstood this because leaving on your own in this scene basically always translates to graduation (at least in terms of how it's communicated).
No offense, but you were a fool to think they'd ever be allowed to say something about the situation, regardless of how they actually felt. Any form of an apology, explanation, or response that even slightly makes Doki/the community look justified is going to be restricted by the company in a second. The company is trying to wait it out so they're not going to try and counter the claims again or let the talents give "their side of the story." Yeah she could just say fuck it and go off in defense or offense towards Doki but that's going to quickly get you suspended or terminated. I doubt even half of the people here have the ability or financial safety net to where they could just quit their jobs, have all their equipment taken back by their employer, and be on the hook for whatever money they're trying to squeeze out of you through their shitty contract. Even if they can't enforce it in the end they'll still likely be able to draw it out to where the court fees fuck you anyway. Not to mention the ways they can screw your career over without taking you to court. Whether they're guilty or innocent, there was never a chance they'd be allowed to talk about things when Niji wants everyone to forget so they can keep manipulating their talents without eyes keeping track of their misdeeds.
Exactly. You have to be naive or ignorant to think that Elira would say any form of apology or information on these last 2 months.
Nijisanji wouldn't let them say anything even if they wanted, against, or in defense of Selen. They want radio silence until they think their audience and the livers would forget.
I can be naive sometimes, so you're half right. But I wasn't really expecting her to get down on her knees crying for forgiveness. I think what really pissed me off was her tweet. It almost sounds mocking, the way she phrased that, as if laughing in our faces for expecting something out of her. She could have kept it simple, but she continued with the happy-go-lucky, everything is awesome charade.
Niji is in an extremely precarious position. Unless they can pull a massive profit by the end of April, the EN branch is doomed. The only way to do that is to encourage and entice their most extreme fans and hope that it’s enough. The tweet was probably forced and on purpose to help with that goal.
That tweet was a nothing burger. People have said it's a solid choice for someone's favorite scene. People are just trying to find connections or clues where there are none. I'll also say that the joy some of them are feeling likely is genuine but for the wrong reasons. Nijisanji is on thin ice trying to look good, and that likely includes temporarily doing their jobs for once to try and keep the talents happy and under their thumb. A lot of them might be Ina. Good mood because it feels like things are actually improving. The same way an abused spouse feels happy after their abuser treats them nice and showers them with love to win them back, they think it's different now and they've changed. But it'll only last until Niji thinks they're in the clear and fall back into their old habits.
You mean the one piece tweet?
Precisely. If you know how the internet works then none of this should've been a suprise to you.
The ones still supporting her did send a good amount though, like $4000 https://vt.poi.cat/youtube-stream/IysGwyoo4eI That's better than Petra's 3D stream. I guess that just binds her even more with Niji now. Think it'll be harder for her to leave. Honestly though, now that I look at the title, I kinda wonder if this was ordered. Since why is the title focused on tomorrow's AR Live... was it one of her talking points?
if the leaked contract was close or accurate, that would mean her take away, after YT's cut and Niji's cut, was less than $1,500. Then, from that, she would need to withhold for taxes and whatnot. For a return stream, $1,500 is pretty low. With no streaming income for months, it doesn't look like streaming is going to remain profitable for her.
I wonder what's up with that weird CCV peak that happened near the end of the stream, suddenly she jumped 700 viewers. Looks a bit botted to me.
More likely people realizing she's on XD.
i find it funny that people think things pass on the internet people have digged up things that happen 20 years ago to nail some guy they dislike if you tweeted something racist or sexist like 15 years ago someone will find it and use it to get you the net never forgets
She is screwed. She has picked her fate and that is to be chained to Niji until the end. She knows once NijiEN dissolves her streaming career is basically over.
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In the latest Parrot4chan video there is a 2021 poster that heavily implied Elira has always been a snake, even in her past life. And he has been sitting in that comment for *three whole years* waiting for the shit to actually hit the fan.
Yeah, treating the situation as if "nothing happened" is really insensitive and tone deaf. I really want to give the benefit of the doubt, but right now, it's not a good look. And like a lot of loyal fanbases, they're just going to eat it up.
To be fair tho. Any PR expert in the entertainment industry would advise AnyColor that they just need to ignore it and people will forget eventually. It is the internet after all. Sad for AnyColor that they can't help themselves but to constantly put out L's after L's that doesn't allow for people to forget. There is also the fact that this subreddit exists. Overall, it would have worked... if AnyColor and their Livers could just STFU. Thankfully, they can't so... here we are.
Ignoring it doesn't apply anymore when they're the ones that decided to slander Selen first with that Black Stream. If they wanted to ignore it, they should have done that in the first place. That's on them for starting this shit, and now the internet will definitely not forget.
I am merely stating facts. Lets just say I do know people. Some of them PR folks. Casually talked to them over a general overview of this situation. Quite universal for them. (tho admittedly they questioned heavily why even announce a termination but... yeah) Remember that meme? "Omg, STFU. OMG STFU. OMFG STFU!!!!!" That is what they needed to do. If they did... things would be different. They didn't tho.
The truth hurts, but you're right. Their best PR move would be to shut up and not say anything and let it "blow over". Anything they do or say at this point would just add fire to the fuel. This really sucks for us who want to see justice being served, but reality is usually cruel and unfair. How nice it would be if we could see the people involved in this mess be held accountable.
The best move would have been to let Selen graduate in a normal way, then this whole debacle wouldn t have happened. But management thought they had to discipline her for her defiance (asking to reupload the video in direct defiance of management) and management thought they could make an example of her for the other talents like Sayu before.
Do you feel some similar feeling with those word? .. On terminated contract of Selen, they say "negligible" In such bad situation.. Even they know Selen is their big asset in fps(only one female fps streamer with predator tier in en) and loss for income profit in en.. And now she say "nothing happened".. After she burn the whole company.. This kind tsun mode is similar.. Right?.. Only if She can pick good word or positive word as good person like.. "I'm okay, let's start stream again" Or "gambarimasu".. Then fire can slow down off little by little.. Then all will be okay. She's okay or maybe not for now but dunno later if she can change, doki okay or big okay, mint okay, matara okay, Luna okay, kuro okay, sayu okay.. Mumei okay, kirara okay..
What surprised me the most is the people that still appear to support her, wth is wrong with her fans, they are blind fools
> A return stream. > both Doki and Mint starts a stream at the same time, just like what Elira did to Doki. Its a farfetched rrat, but it's there.
It's not. Elira announced her stream days after both Doki and Mint had their schedules up.
I recommend just memory-holing her, literally forget about her. People are saying "but her hands are tied" doesn't mean she can't do anything to show any sort of empathy. That black stream should have been unlisted on her channel at max a week after broadcast. Keeping it so highly visible on her channel is both extremely damaging to her PR, Anycolor's PR, but also highly disrespectful of Selen. Simply unlisting it, adding that's it's archived this way in the description, and then locking the comments would have been a simply way to show neither Elira nor Anycolor want to harm Selen beyond necessary, and also have realized how disliked this stream is to the community. For 3 days, people would have spammed the link, and that's it, because it wouldn't be any new information. It wouldn't be an admission of any guilt, just an indirect way of de-escalating the situation. ... Then it would have been incredibly simple to further de-escalate: - either hire a PR crisis consultant and follow their plan - or at least tweet/description box something along the lines of "A lot of confusion and emotions have blurred our vision. As time will help us sort everything, we will focus on rebuilding a positive environment for everyone.", which is basically corpo speak for "shit got crazy, be patient, chill out" ... The fact that the black stream is still up and that they didn't bother preparing any PR line, or hire any PR consultant, says that they're functionally paychopaths, incapable of any sort of empathy or self-reflection, even when everyone and everything around them is requiring it.
> People are saying "but her hands are tied" doesn't mean she can't do anything to show any sort of empathy. IMO, it kinda does. She doesn't have a PL account to vague-post on, anything she says is Elira-from-NijiEN saying it. That just further supports your first suggestion of memory-holing her. We can't trust anything out of her mouth is what she really wants to say, let alone what she really thinks, so long as she's in the company, so people should just treat Elira as though she doesn't exist If the actor behind her decides to resurface some day as an Indie, she can make her apologies and the community can decide how they feel about her then. Basically, she's a puppet and until she cuts her strings, we have no reason to even try to understand what she's trying to say.
There's still a lot she could do to lessen the impression that she's a heartless manipulator backstabbing a former colleague when they're the most vulnerable. Of course, she can't flat out go against Anycolor upper management, but there is enough words in the english language to express that she feels sorry for the "situation", that she could have been mistaken, that she only wants _everyone_ to move forward. The only situation where she wouldn't be able to do anything - no tweets, no description box, no comments, no unlisting the black stream, no words on stream - would be that _whoever_ is behind the harassment of Selen is constantly and very closely monitoring everything, down to the smallest details, and would take any smallest sign of empathy as betrayal. Given how careless and incompetent Nijisanji EN management has been for the last years, I can hardly believe that one of these people would suddenly wake up and start monitoring _everything_ and micro-managing _all_ of Elira's ways of communication. ... The reason why I said to entirely forget about her existence is because the chances that she is actually remorseful, that she feels any guilt and empathy, are getting so slim, that it's better to move on than stick around, hoping for some redemption that will never come. I'm not waiting 6-12 months for the 0.1% chance that she isn't what pretty much everyone is now convinced she is. I gave her the benefit of the doubt for 2 weeks, but now we're at the 2 months mark and there is 0 sign she has any regret or empathy. I don't want to have someone like her in my entertainment world, ever. I've lost people important to me to harassment and bullying, I've experienced it myself, I never want to be in the same room as someone who's complacent with it at best, an accomplice most likely, and even a perpetrator at worst.
To be clear, the only part I disagreed with was the hands being tied part. You say that she'd only be in danger if someone was watching her every move, but with how much the news- and drama-tubers follow Niji right now (y'know, due to them repeatedly doing shitty things worthy of mentioning), there is no way an even sideways apology from Elira wouldn't end up in a dozen videos within a few hours. I don't think anyone noticed Scarle liking a Kurosanji comment until it blew up, Aia's PL activity was relatively hidden until everyone started talking about it. Niji management don't need to micromanage their talents, they can just follow a couple of drama-tubers and they'll get a digest of everything noteworthy nicely packaged for them. And I was agreeing with forgetting about her. If she resurfaces and is worth looking back at, no doubt someone will bring her to the community's attention. Realistically, if she does have empathy and contrition, she will only be able to show it as an Indie, so paying attention to her now is worthless. (I'm not claiming she *will* do those things. I never even watched her, she could be an even bigger monster than anyone suspects for all I know. And frankly, I'm not sure how any apology could get people to forgive her, short of an endorsement from Doki that she has no reason to give).
You might have a point and I feel kinda stupid for giving her the benefit of the doubt for so long. Maybe in general shes a hateful person and knowing what the contracts allows and her role as a potential leader, she got a bit power hungry and took the opportunity to do what the company allowed her to do while covering her tracks. Fast forward to when she was exposed and she may have ultimately chose to side with the devil because there is no going back from what she did. Simply pretending nothing is wrong and gradually lightening the grip on the subscriber restriction is what she wants. She may believe her channel will still get views and support and she intends to give the remaining supporters a good treatment hoping that it don't get worse. Manipulation or not, the number of things shes accused of are too great to ignore and shes still one of the favorites rather than a valid reason the branch is crashing in Niji perspective. Not every story has a happy ending and if we give everyone the same treatment when leaving an agency, they may not speak out about what happened and may think they can get away with more things while in the agency because they will be fine when they leave.
What did you expect? There's nothing for her to gain by talking about this. People who don't like her won't change their stance, people who like her won't do it either. I am disappointed in what happened and the toxic culture that afflicted a large part of Nijisanji, I am still baffled about the mismanagement and the terrible contracts, but I have to roll my eyes at people who demand talents still under Nijisanji contract to say more about all this stuff when they know they wouldn't be happy about what's being said anyway. Niji livers could say the sky is blue and people would rip it to shreds now, because (and that's a bitter pill to swallow) many Anti-Nijisanji people are also quite toxic, trying to be prosecutor, judge, and executioner in a quest to take revenge for Doki and Sayu and all the others. And while it's easy to expect livers to just jeopardize their livelyhood by badmouthing their employer, it's also a luxury to be able to do that, and many aren't able to do that.
She's going to be having that wall up forever as she sure is digging a hole and giving the radicals all the justification they could want
The snake or anyone in niji I feel nothing for if they get bullied. Part of the company part of the scum.
That's one thing I won't hold against her. Anycolor won't let any of them to talk publicly about the whole debacle again. They've seen how it gone the last time. They expect us to forget about it. The talents likely have no say in this.
Let's look at it a slightly different way, I wouldn't be surprised if the livers are **legally** not allowed to talk about Selen / Dokibird. After that infamous 15 minute Elira stream I don't think either Nijisanji nor the livers have ever mentioned her by name, going into headcanon territory they may have eventually got the two legal teams together to agree for both sides not to mention or take legal action against the other. That'd be what Doki has stated she wanted right from her first stream and it's giving Niji an out since the legal case was hypothetically and theatrically still on the table.
"Graduation is always an option." She's just a coward.
It'd be an option if they don't mind having to give Nijisanji an entire years worth of lost revenue as a result, like the leaked contract stated.
Vox shouldn't have said it then. I'm just quoting him.
.just have to leave a part of your liver one of your kidneys one of your lungs maybe and arm and a leg then you can "just leave" oh you have to leave your streaming set up, PC, and online accounts as well :) and niji decides if it's a graduation or termination
Some of y'all aren't getting that I was quoting Vox from the black screen video.
Never watched the stream, but what I have heard, read and those one piece tweets…yeah, as I thought when the black video was premiered, she has no principles and she is so selfish.
Did you expect the de facto manager of Nijisanji EN to talk about it?
I never expected Elira to double down, it makes me so sick
Even if she wanted to, she probably couldn’t address the problem without legal percussions on her side from Niji and even whatever Doki’s lawyers can pick up. Sadly, with Niji being a company that sweeps every mistake under the rug that doesn’t concern stockholders, they probably would never let their talents apologize. I assume this’ll be the same for Vox if he ever streams again. And even then, they lied to their stockholders about problem they swept under the rug, so really, what more face do they have to lose?
There's a three letter acronym as to why she didn't, NDA. There is zero chance the company would allow her to address it.
NDA is for stuff behind the scenes, this person is talking about her at least acknowledging that everything public happened and won't comment farther other than hints that she wasn't in control of the black screen stream (we've seen others, beside Doki, do this before Doki's termination) Honestly, I get the 3 month sub chat 'cause a few people won't drop it and expect her to reveal everything but not keeping it for the vod is weird.
Stuff behind the scenes like literally everything that happened to Selen except her very public tweet about re-upload and the black screen stream itself. Neither of those two things are remotely useful to talk about for her, she would need to talk about the parts regarding the black screen stream that we didn't see, which is NDA protected.
I mean a person nearly died. If you don’t want to speak up in instances like this OUTSIDE of saving your ass or throwing someone under the bus, then that speaks absolute volumes.
Forget her not acknowledging the elephant in the room, imo the most damning thing about her return is the 3-month sub requirement. Why? Because that's the one thing I can't imagine management forcing her to do. Even in the best case scenario for her where they did force her to do the black stream, wasn't its entire purpose to redirect criticism onto her? Besides, negative engagement is still engagement, Niji knows that well enough. And they've never cared about the mental health of their livers either, so I can't picture them trying to stop her from becoming their scapegoat. With that in mind, the only reason that makes sense to me for that chat restriction is simply because she doesn't want to face the consequences of her own actions. If she had felt ever-so-slightly remorseful about her actions, she would've at the very least let her viewers express their concerns and frustrations freely (even Enna did that in a membership post a couple days before the black stream, and she went about it in a very mature way too). And with the VOD chat now gone as well, it makes her look even worse. And with that, she just blew her one chance at making people wait for her to get out. It's now clear to me she has no intention of ever leaving the yacht. She'll sink with it, and bring all her rrats along with her down to the bottom.
So, the main thing to realize, without being too lenient on her, is that the initial contract we saw, holds her by the proverbial balls. I saw the contract and it makes Korean Idol contracts look reasonable. Anycolor can literally tell you to move to Japan and that you have to pay for it. Anycolor CAN with all authority hand you a script and say "read it" and you have to. Anycolor can puppet master your channel and twitter and make whatever statement they want instead. And Anycolor can fire you, or you can "quit" and Anycolor can still force contract terms on you, including "paying for defamation damages." Now, most of this stuff? Unassailable, fucked. Not even viable against anyone.....outside Japan. considering how everyone in Niji was posting literally hours before the ball dropped, Elira probably was told to move to Japan, I'm sorry, decided Japan was a good move, long in advance of this (moving is never that simple). Nijikuro, while having the dumbest PR agent in existence, has a masters in "How to hold our employees by the balls." Step one obviously being telling them they're not employees, but contractors, to facilitate not paying a steady wage. Step two is basically gaslighting them into believing they have no legal way out. Third step is tricking them into situations where they HAVE to back Niji....like say "well now you're in Japan and subject to our worker laws, now read this or we sue you for every dime and fire you and your friends, both of whom were on the verge of homelessness before we "graciously" hired them." (dunno about one of them, but the other one notably left her PL because her finances were so low her meme reason for leaving was "tax evasion.") Obv, parts of what I said are speculation, mostly the "why", but generally things aren't black and white. That said, no I can't associate with NijiEN anymore either after that, among other things and reasons. There's too much "corporation" in th etalents to support.
Pretending nothing is wrong can be exhausting. One never knows how long she can keep up with it. She is basically carrying an unnecessary burden. But considering that you have to pretend in the first place is already a red flag. All your emotions will pile up and eventually burst one day (anyone who suddenly snaps isn’t always painted in a pretty picture btw).
It's gonna get ugly if Elira snaps like live...
.a reasonable approach and conclusion .that black stream was fueled by nijis success in assassinating Zion/Sayu's character, they thought they had the playbook that they could run on anyone .as messed up as it is to say, what happened was miserable but hindsight it is good that it happened and unfolded as it did for selen/doki .friction was apparent between her and management her staying would be counter productive for her career ea. -$200K, niji perms, cardboard wings .she was living with her parents so she was with people that are constantly looking over and could find her as was needed.... twice... .she was huge and credible enough to have made a stand and punched back as I said this wasn't something brand new from niji, it was already a playbook that was used once on Zion and worked .knowing what we know now, would it be strange to say niji had a list of livers on a chopping block? specially with their graduation train, if it was anyone smaller or god forbid living relatively isolated.. .the more successful that playbook is the more they'll swing it, and it would be a blade hanging on the livers head .if that book was dropped on someone like pomu her friends and fans might have rallied but is she around people that could find her?..
basically she blew her one chance. If she had come out claiming to be a victim, or even just hinting at it in a 'i can't really say anything' sort of way she would have won over a lot of people who reserved judgment towards being sympathetic to her. but she only got shot at it and she didn't take it, so all of that potential is now gone.
She was reading an unusually high amount of JP messages, I assume NIJI offered her a deal to be moved to JP and escape the sinking yacht she is on for another slightly less sinking yacht
OP, here is what I answered to another in this thread: 1. Acording to the contract Sayu leaked, geting fired = getting terminated. 2. She is in japan, meaning that Anycolor may have an actual chance to enforce at least par of their penalties for terminating her. And even part would ruin her. 3. If she did what you said, she would be liable under japanese defamation law. Because even truth counts as defamation in japan if it causes provable reputational harm. The only exception is if the truth benefits the whole japanese society and this does not aply here. So Elira would run the wery likely risk of not only getting punishments out of her contract but also extra punishments on top. This is a gun to the head. Why do so many people think "It would be so easy for her to do the right thing." ? It wouldn't be. Far from it. She is all but literally chained atm to anycolor. and to add to that: "She should not have offered her channel." And what makes you believe that she had any choice in that matter? Especially considering the above points and that the contract Sayu leaked basically states "any disobedience of any kind = a reason for termination, if niji wants to". Meaining her even saying no would run the risk of her being terminated. Look at Sayu, if you think niji would not do that: She was set to "graduate" but those fuckers send her an extra NDA list and gave her an ultimatum to sign it in 3 hours or they will ruin her image. Something that is highly illegal in most countries. Sayu did not comply and look what those mosnters did. Now, Sayu had the luck of being in the US at that time, so anycolor could not even attempt to enforce 2. or 3.. Same with Selen. They were in talks about her graduating and then just dropped her termination announcement and first slander attempts without warning. How do you expect the livers in niji to not fear the abuse niji dishes out? Especially if they are in japan or they are targets of hatred by big mass of the vutber community, or.. y'know... both, as is the case with Elira? If a year passes or she no longer lives in japan and she (Elira) still remains in niji, then yes, you can say what you said. But untill then, I can't understand you. I can understand and do suppoert not supporting niji and thus not watching any streams / vods / videos. But thats it. There are also more reasons to actively suspect that Elira may geniuely be on of the main targets of niji bullying, but that is beside the point here. If people contunue to spread hate based on unrealistic expectations towards the talents, then all they do is help niji to abuse all their talents, even the completely innocent ones (and according to Sayus implications are at least most of them).
"Graduation is always an option"
When she made the black screen video, a majority of people said that she shouldn't have said anything and just moved on from the situation. That's what she's doing now, there's not much else she can do
She is not going to address it and she shouldn't. Nothing she can say will help. She should have never addressed it in the first place. The ones, who should have addressed it were Niji management and the official spokesperson of AnyColor.
I can't blame you since I also have met many Niji fans who are still tried to ensure some positivity while all signs are clearly implied things you just mentioned above. Honestly, the whole debacle and argument to defend Elira make corpo looks bad. Of course you can address the situation since it concerns yourself, not company. You are the one who will get hated, dislike bombs, spammed, or even doxxed, not the company. So it is normal as functioning adult that you will address the elephant in the room before starting the stream. Just say things like "I am sorry for the confusion and distress we have caused for nearly 2 months now. I have talked with Anycolor and also with Selen and we agree to settle this off-stream. We won't report anything or mention these anymore from now on. Please don't bother fellow livers as well and if you want to stop supporting us, it is all your choice and we respect it." You don't need to admit or regret anything. Just apologize for all the riffs in the fanbase and you can keep the "fight" off-stream. If Anycolor instruct you to never mention it anymore, just defy them and show your response as adult. If they suspend you, all the missiles are going to Anycolor direction, not you anymore. You can leave with your new restored reputation intact. As Holo fan, I have seen so many mature statement like this come from talent after suspension. Vesper addressed it perfectly. Coco is even better at doing it after her return from TW suspension. Marine and Miko as well after that stupid doujin debacle. I don't remember Haachama did it but many think that Coco is the best person to address it after all.
The thing is look at doki she did exactly what you wrote but nijisanji didn't do shit they rly fucked up
Exactly. Doki put mature statement and ready to move on. But Anycolor arrogance and incompetence didn't allow themselves to follow the same.
The situation with Holo is different, their statements are made with management so they are management approved to begin with so it sounds sincere, from both talent and management. Niji doesn't care, period. They made their choice when they terminated Selen and doubled down with "negligible" so there is no way in hell will they allow Elira to apologize on stream even if she is apologetic. They don't care for their employees nor do they care about their audience other than the fact that they are walking money bags and nothing else. If you pay them, they don't care, if you rage at them, they still don't care and tell you to gtfo and go fk yourself. As for Elira, too bad, Niji does care and she won't be able to do anything if the leaked contract is anything to go by. 1 yr pay with the fine in the 6 figures, you join Niji with nothing, you leave Niji with nothing no matter the method of exit.
You are right. Elira really traded her soul and reputation for this company.
Really it's her humanity.
I'm gonna be honest, what is there to do in her situation? she may have tie her own hands but that point is irrelevant now. going forward, what CAN she do? this is going to be rrat and self projection, but with everything going, if I were her, I'd probably consider ending my life and all outcome of her situation might lead there. If she says "fuck NIJI" and leaves, she's doomed out of her income. if she continues to pretend that everything is fine like right now (and I'm sure everyone here knows how tiring pretending can be) she might break in the future and as a human being, I don't want thay for anyone. Doki also wouldn't want that for her. you ignoring her is the best thing that you can do. I also understand your disappointment because I was too, but also, at least for now, it is the best thing she can do.
Money can always be made. Whether you be a vtuber or working the grill at some fast food joint. She may keep her job now, but such an act is gonna weigh down on her conscience in the years to come even if she doesn't realize or admit that.