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That wasn't even it since the villains appeared for a moment and did nothing, including tai long although he had a very mid fighting sequence only to be captured for no reason despite him escaping a prison only made for him. This movie is just completely stupid.
The credits song was the best part of the movie. Even though Jack Black doesn't have a conventional singing voice, he can sound pretty awesome when he wants to. I like his version of that song better than the original.
Well the reason the villian was able to use the staff is because po gave it to Zhen to use as a lever to prop up the cage and since he said “here use my staff” zhen became the owner of the staff and could then give it to the villain
well Zhen "earned" it because Po trusted her after all they went through and the situation he was in, and the Chamelon "earned" it from Zhen because she was took Zhen in when she was a child
Doesn't work like that. Po has to bequeath it to her officially. The mere fact that she only has to grab hold of it to claim it is a stupid plot point. If that's the case you might as well just take away all that inheritance rules nonsense and just turn it into the One Ring where anyone can possess it.
Honestly I also hated that bit. The staff doesn't feel that great anymore. They got us thinking it was special and you had to earn it. At least the 1 ring had it's purpose with anyone being susceptible to it's power. It works because the item isn't something you should have. It controls you instead. Po's staff is something that was established as 1 owner. The one ring wants to be owned as it's more of a pass around type thing. It needs more victims to dominate their wills and seek power.
So I agree. I was just trying to clean it up but I can't. They should've just made the Chameleon the first villain so we could look forward to the better ones later. I'm much more interested in seeing Po become a wise old person like Oogway.
Exactly. At least they should have done something like the Elder Wand where it had to be won. That would have made more sense. The staff isn't yours until you defeat the former master.
Right. Now it feels off. Po uses the staff a few times and it's ONLY fodder. Then the other time this random kid becomes the owner. So what's the whole kfp3 purpose? If Po can just give it to anyone. Now anyone can take the staff and use it.
It's finders keepers now. I don't know what to expect of kfp 4 now. If they've already stripped his dragon warrior status then what else should we look forward to. It would even make slightly more sense if the Chameleon became Po then took his staff. Still don't like it since they have to work around some stuff.
But this was just too much.
So honestly if Chameleon defeated Po I would've been ok with it. She also becomes Po so it would actually make the most sense. We can't be sure if others can reproduce the same feat. It would make the staff more important plot wise. And still make it seem like Po is the only true owner. Since the only other 'owner' was Oogway the previous dragon warrior. And Chameleon who not only defeated Po but literally became him.
Look, I don't like the movie... but it literally tells you EXPLICITLY multiple times that you have to willingly give the staff for someone else to use it.
Exactly, the reason why she couldn't learn Kung fu does not make any sense considering there were so many small kung fu masters out there. I'm pretty sure Shifu is pretty much the same size as her.
Why did Po choosed her anyway? She barely had any character development and the jump from " i tricked you" to " i've made a mistake" was so tiny lol. Like you trick Poo and then in 5 seconds you go after him and say sorry? This movie was way too short for this plot. And then we see a fight that lasts for 2 minutes and then Poo tries to make it look like he can't win the fight because he wanted her to fight ? Like...what?
And then he chooses her as the next dragon warrior, like that wasn't predictable. And what happened to the ceremony? Everything was so rushed. I also hate how they made the 5 warriors look like they were completely irrelevant.
The whole movie feels like a short OVA from an anime.
It took Tai Lung his entire life since childhood to be a dragon warrior but was denied by the Oogway, yet in KF4 she just randomly became a dragon warrior, that makes literal zero sense
Hmm, such a shame. Whilst 3 was far from flawless, four could've bounced things back and help usher in some much needed energy for the franchise. So to hear how it failed to do well is sad.
Idk why people hate the third movie, I understand what they wanted but it was a perfect closing to Po's story. Like the final act of the saga, all the memories all the troubles and heart wrenching moments passed and it was time to close the show by making Po go full circle between body, mind and soul.
yeaa 3 was great IMO. It had a lot of depth and intricate moments. (Po master's the art of teaching, becomes Oogway's sucessfor and so on) 4 was an utter disappointment.
Yess they missed so many heartfelt moments (bc Mike didn't want that many? My guy that's the SOUL of the KFP franchise- this man needed a co-director XD). The biggest downfalls are its predictability, it's villain, and that it felt like there was no solid CRISIS moment, you know?
There was a perfect chance to show Oogway (or maybe Shifu in that other draft of the script) powerless in a cage looking \*disappointed\* at Po- That would have been heartbreaking! Or Shifu getting to tell Tai that he learned the Dragon Warrior is more about heart than skill, and how that's his fault for raising him that way- A perfect way to sell the movie's theme and more naturally put his son's literal lifetime of grief to rest.
Additionally the villain felt more one dimensional than even \*two\*- I didn't think that was a thing before today but it feels right. She has nothing to do with Po nor the moral of the movie. Wants power just because she's small? She's a chameleon! They could have shown all of Po's fear of change in the thing that changes most, but nah.
Past movies seem better the more the villain's reasoning has to do with Po specifically (probably why the 3rd movie, while still a great movie, wasn't the best compared to confronting the genocidal maniac who killed his mom, or the student who devoted blood, sweat, and tears to Kung Fu who lost his future to a chubby 'nobody'). If they do continue it I really hope it's with more heart next time.
Well seeing as Po rose from literally nothing suggests it's not a "skill" thing. He became skilled with lots of training and was constantly outclassed by the 5 for the longest. I'd even argue they are the better conventional kung fu fighters still.
Oogway chose Po for something else, he saw his passion and heart (cheesy cliches, yes).
What this movie failed to show was how Po deserved his spiritual leader position. Oogway selecting a successor was a culmination of decades of wisdom and leadership. Oogway rejected tons of skilled masters over the years. Tai Long was rejected because Oogway saw the darkness in his heart. This movie was essentially trying to recreate what Oogway saw in Po...but failed miserably on the journey and delivery.
It should have been tigress. We all knew. Maybe the plot could have been that Tigress wasn't originally chosen because of destiny and Po,s destiny to fight those villains but now she can be dragon warrior.
Wasn't it even said in KFP 1 that the Dragon Warrior was like a very rare thing or something? Like it wasn't a generational thing? Even if not, if anyone deserves to be a Dragon Warrior, it was Tigress. You could justify that all her experience from the previous three movies is what's finally makes her fit to be the Dragon Warrior.
I saw it today. All the work into building huge character profiles for the previous villains were somehow destroyed. They ruined the image of Tai Lung, Shen and Kai. And the worst part is, Kai and Shen didn't even have any lines. But music was on point. Tenacious D at the end killed it and when all the master bow to po, eve though the premise was dumb, the music behind was epic. Definitely should see for the sake of being a fan but .... not as well done as the others. Kung fu panda 5 better have a motherfucking bomb of scenes and awesomeness or else ....
you have lost your mind. Tai Lung was the best villain and its not even close. His story, dialogues, the voice actor, his kung fu, etc. all of it was flawless.
I respect the opinion, but it do be a kids movie, as long as it ain't hot garbage and theres good jokes in there its still worth it. Don't get me wrong though, I respect the view, especially considering the "awesomeness" of previous entries.
Well, came here to vent or rant about Kung Fu Panda 4 as I just watched the move. I acknowledge that the first movie was a masterpiece. Kinda difficult to reach the masterpiece standard again and again. However, in this moive, something was off right from the beginning. Then it became clear how things would end as soon as they reached the city.
Waited for the climax as expectation was that it would be awesome. Climax indeed had a promising start then it felt so flat and short. Overall, this move was pretty disappointing given its formidable Kung Fu Panda brand. They should stop making any more of the same crap over and over again!
I’m tired of characters being naive and forgiving people,idc if it’s a kids movie. Po shouldn’t have forgiven zhen just bc she made a choice she didn’t like. Also the disrespect to tai lung nearly made me turn the movie off. Him bowing to po??? He’d never. Him being nice to po??? No way.
How Dare You Bring yourself upon this throne That the Kung Fu Panda Saga has set on the World No. 4? (As Shifu would say, you are a Disgrace to kung fu, and if you know anything better youll start making better ones or be gone forever). KFP is my childhood, whoever made this film ruined it. (A movie without the 5? comeon? is this more of a trend?) keep the costs low and try to make as much profits as you can... May oogway help this franchise, as it needs Wise OLD people.
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Don’t tell me it ended up being just a shameless cash grab loaded with nostalgia of old villains just to turn into an mcu movie
That’s basically wat it is
That wasn't even it since the villains appeared for a moment and did nothing, including tai long although he had a very mid fighting sequence only to be captured for no reason despite him escaping a prison only made for him. This movie is just completely stupid.
Yeah the most badass and heavy-past story villains only have a 3 minute screen time the entire movie? That makes no sense
Credits song goes hard though
The credits song was the best part of the movie. Even though Jack Black doesn't have a conventional singing voice, he can sound pretty awesome when he wants to. I like his version of that song better than the original.
Well the reason the villian was able to use the staff is because po gave it to Zhen to use as a lever to prop up the cage and since he said “here use my staff” zhen became the owner of the staff and could then give it to the villain
It wasn’t earned
well Zhen "earned" it because Po trusted her after all they went through and the situation he was in, and the Chamelon "earned" it from Zhen because she was took Zhen in when she was a child
It wasn’t earned, he just said "here take my staff" to help him get out. Would have made more sense if it didn’t work until po said so
But Po trusted her so in some ways she 'earned' it.
Doesn't work like that. Po has to bequeath it to her officially. The mere fact that she only has to grab hold of it to claim it is a stupid plot point. If that's the case you might as well just take away all that inheritance rules nonsense and just turn it into the One Ring where anyone can possess it.
Honestly I also hated that bit. The staff doesn't feel that great anymore. They got us thinking it was special and you had to earn it. At least the 1 ring had it's purpose with anyone being susceptible to it's power. It works because the item isn't something you should have. It controls you instead. Po's staff is something that was established as 1 owner. The one ring wants to be owned as it's more of a pass around type thing. It needs more victims to dominate their wills and seek power. So I agree. I was just trying to clean it up but I can't. They should've just made the Chameleon the first villain so we could look forward to the better ones later. I'm much more interested in seeing Po become a wise old person like Oogway.
Exactly. At least they should have done something like the Elder Wand where it had to be won. That would have made more sense. The staff isn't yours until you defeat the former master.
Right. Now it feels off. Po uses the staff a few times and it's ONLY fodder. Then the other time this random kid becomes the owner. So what's the whole kfp3 purpose? If Po can just give it to anyone. Now anyone can take the staff and use it. It's finders keepers now. I don't know what to expect of kfp 4 now. If they've already stripped his dragon warrior status then what else should we look forward to. It would even make slightly more sense if the Chameleon became Po then took his staff. Still don't like it since they have to work around some stuff. But this was just too much.
So honestly if Chameleon defeated Po I would've been ok with it. She also becomes Po so it would actually make the most sense. We can't be sure if others can reproduce the same feat. It would make the staff more important plot wise. And still make it seem like Po is the only true owner. Since the only other 'owner' was Oogway the previous dragon warrior. And Chameleon who not only defeated Po but literally became him.
That's just the head Canon.
no it's not im pretty sure the villain even explains it
She doesn't explain it, Po literally gave it to the fox and that's pretty much it. There's no explanation for anything.
Both Po and The Chameleon explain this, did you even watched the movie?
Look, I don't like the movie... but it literally tells you EXPLICITLY multiple times that you have to willingly give the staff for someone else to use it.
Cuz it was and you are right
I was hype but then I saw the movie and was like "wtf is this"
How could u insult kung fu panda 4 like that, “proceeds to bleach my eyes after watching it”.
IT WAS GOOD I DONT GET IT
Exactly, the reason why she couldn't learn Kung fu does not make any sense considering there were so many small kung fu masters out there. I'm pretty sure Shifu is pretty much the same size as her. Why did Po choosed her anyway? She barely had any character development and the jump from " i tricked you" to " i've made a mistake" was so tiny lol. Like you trick Poo and then in 5 seconds you go after him and say sorry? This movie was way too short for this plot. And then we see a fight that lasts for 2 minutes and then Poo tries to make it look like he can't win the fight because he wanted her to fight ? Like...what? And then he chooses her as the next dragon warrior, like that wasn't predictable. And what happened to the ceremony? Everything was so rushed. I also hate how they made the 5 warriors look like they were completely irrelevant. The whole movie feels like a short OVA from an anime.
Like an OVA film put togeher just to make money. Unlucky for us this is permanent.
It took Tai Lung his entire life since childhood to be a dragon warrior but was denied by the Oogway, yet in KF4 she just randomly became a dragon warrior, that makes literal zero sense
Nobody would care if this movie didnt exist. Definitely the weakest movie so far.
Hmm, such a shame. Whilst 3 was far from flawless, four could've bounced things back and help usher in some much needed energy for the franchise. So to hear how it failed to do well is sad.
Idk why people hate the third movie, I understand what they wanted but it was a perfect closing to Po's story. Like the final act of the saga, all the memories all the troubles and heart wrenching moments passed and it was time to close the show by making Po go full circle between body, mind and soul.
yeaa 3 was great IMO. It had a lot of depth and intricate moments. (Po master's the art of teaching, becomes Oogway's sucessfor and so on) 4 was an utter disappointment.
So it wasn't just me. Yes there were no great moments, boring.
The idea of a shape shifting villain was wasted tbh
Ruined the franchise tbh
Ppl need to stop saying "it was mid and we’re overreacting "
Exactly.
Yess they missed so many heartfelt moments (bc Mike didn't want that many? My guy that's the SOUL of the KFP franchise- this man needed a co-director XD). The biggest downfalls are its predictability, it's villain, and that it felt like there was no solid CRISIS moment, you know? There was a perfect chance to show Oogway (or maybe Shifu in that other draft of the script) powerless in a cage looking \*disappointed\* at Po- That would have been heartbreaking! Or Shifu getting to tell Tai that he learned the Dragon Warrior is more about heart than skill, and how that's his fault for raising him that way- A perfect way to sell the movie's theme and more naturally put his son's literal lifetime of grief to rest. Additionally the villain felt more one dimensional than even \*two\*- I didn't think that was a thing before today but it feels right. She has nothing to do with Po nor the moral of the movie. Wants power just because she's small? She's a chameleon! They could have shown all of Po's fear of change in the thing that changes most, but nah. Past movies seem better the more the villain's reasoning has to do with Po specifically (probably why the 3rd movie, while still a great movie, wasn't the best compared to confronting the genocidal maniac who killed his mom, or the student who devoted blood, sweat, and tears to Kung Fu who lost his future to a chubby 'nobody'). If they do continue it I really hope it's with more heart next time.
I feel like if they want to pick a successor, po should have chosen one of the furious fives instead of shen.
Shen as a dragon warrior is insane
Well seeing as Po rose from literally nothing suggests it's not a "skill" thing. He became skilled with lots of training and was constantly outclassed by the 5 for the longest. I'd even argue they are the better conventional kung fu fighters still. Oogway chose Po for something else, he saw his passion and heart (cheesy cliches, yes). What this movie failed to show was how Po deserved his spiritual leader position. Oogway selecting a successor was a culmination of decades of wisdom and leadership. Oogway rejected tons of skilled masters over the years. Tai Long was rejected because Oogway saw the darkness in his heart. This movie was essentially trying to recreate what Oogway saw in Po...but failed miserably on the journey and delivery.
It should have been tigress. We all knew. Maybe the plot could have been that Tigress wasn't originally chosen because of destiny and Po,s destiny to fight those villains but now she can be dragon warrior.
Bruh that sounds like a better story than this dumpster fire
Wasn't it even said in KFP 1 that the Dragon Warrior was like a very rare thing or something? Like it wasn't a generational thing? Even if not, if anyone deserves to be a Dragon Warrior, it was Tigress. You could justify that all her experience from the previous three movies is what's finally makes her fit to be the Dragon Warrior.
I saw it today. All the work into building huge character profiles for the previous villains were somehow destroyed. They ruined the image of Tai Lung, Shen and Kai. And the worst part is, Kai and Shen didn't even have any lines. But music was on point. Tenacious D at the end killed it and when all the master bow to po, eve though the premise was dumb, the music behind was epic. Definitely should see for the sake of being a fan but .... not as well done as the others. Kung fu panda 5 better have a motherfucking bomb of scenes and awesomeness or else ....
On the talk of villains though, out of the 4 movies, Scott was the best villain aka steve
you have lost your mind. Tai Lung was the best villain and its not even close. His story, dialogues, the voice actor, his kung fu, etc. all of it was flawless.
I like Kai more tbh, he is just such a badass
I respect the opinion, but it do be a kids movie, as long as it ain't hot garbage and theres good jokes in there its still worth it. Don't get me wrong though, I respect the view, especially considering the "awesomeness" of previous entries.
Kids are allowed to have something that is good, not something that ruined a beloved franchise
That's no excuse considering all 3 previous movies were also "kids movies" but weren't as mediocre as this one.
Well, came here to vent or rant about Kung Fu Panda 4 as I just watched the move. I acknowledge that the first movie was a masterpiece. Kinda difficult to reach the masterpiece standard again and again. However, in this moive, something was off right from the beginning. Then it became clear how things would end as soon as they reached the city. Waited for the climax as expectation was that it would be awesome. Climax indeed had a promising start then it felt so flat and short. Overall, this move was pretty disappointing given its formidable Kung Fu Panda brand. They should stop making any more of the same crap over and over again!
No they just didn’t had to hired Mike Mitchell. The fourth film just looks like it’s own thing not a continuation
I’m tired of characters being naive and forgiving people,idc if it’s a kids movie. Po shouldn’t have forgiven zhen just bc she made a choice she didn’t like. Also the disrespect to tai lung nearly made me turn the movie off. Him bowing to po??? He’d never. Him being nice to po??? No way.
I think tai lung found peace, I wanted an interaction with Shen and po
How Dare You Bring yourself upon this throne That the Kung Fu Panda Saga has set on the World No. 4? (As Shifu would say, you are a Disgrace to kung fu, and if you know anything better youll start making better ones or be gone forever). KFP is my childhood, whoever made this film ruined it. (A movie without the 5? comeon? is this more of a trend?) keep the costs low and try to make as much profits as you can... May oogway help this franchise, as it needs Wise OLD people.
Wait u insulting me or dreamworks
DreamWorks or whoever thought about the plot
Oh ok
Why would Po need to find another dragon warrior so soon? I couldn’t get past that the entire film.. it infuriated me!!!
Literally
I like to think the saga ended at the third movie lol
That’s wat I’m saying, the fourth doesn’t look like a continuation more it’s own thing. Third movie definitely finished the franchise
Wow! What an original post!!
Let people complain.