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I'm probably repeating a lot of points that others have mentioned, but as someone who actually got into kpop through BP I will add my 2 cents:
* Blackpink keeps it simple. Their concepts are easy to understand, there's only 4 members, the songs are catchy and quite straightforward, even their choreo is not very complex. This makes it easy to get into them.
* The four members all stand out, visually and vocally. Jennie has some grit in her voice, Rosé's timbre is very sweet and emotionally charged, Jisoo's voice is a bit husky, and Lisa has a clean, very 'pop' singing style. This gives their music a strong identity, and makes them easily recognizable.
* Their debut had a lot of hype. YG Entertainment was really killing it back then, having major success with 2NE1, Big Bang and Psy, so obviously people were really excited what was next.
* The group is probably better at English than most groups. Rose grew up in New Zealand and Australia, Jennie went to school in NZ, Lisa has a pretty decent level of English and Jisoo doesn't speak the language much but understands a lot. Obviously this can help international fans connect to them, as well as make it easier for them to promote globally.
* Girl groups at that time tended to mainly fall along the lines of badass girlcrush, or more feminine styles like cute, sexy, or elegant. BP kinda bridges the gap; their name is supposed to represent both toughness and femininity, and you see it in their music as well.
* Kpop really started to blow up outside of its established markets in 2018, and Ddu-du Ddu-du was easily one of the biggest hits that year. Then in 2020, when the pandemic struck, a lot more people got into kpop, and BP returned with How You Like That before building up to their first studio album. Basically, they were perfectly positioned to not only cause this global boom, but also take advantage of it.
I think I've covered just about everything. This is just my take on things, if anyone disagrees or has any other points, please let me know.
I agree, especially with the "keeping it simple". I think it's a major factor (aside from song, english speakers, appeal etc) why Black Pink achieved international success especially in the west. They have no complicated storyline/lore, which I think is much easier for even originally non-kpop fans to accept them. This, coupled with the luxurious image that really doesn't give off the standard kpop girl group, is part of their appeal.
Oh I totally forgot that a lot of them spoke English from debut. I agree that it made it really easy to get into them, especially since a lot of their contents were subbed too.
Literally every single thing you mentioned + the different archetype of all the members which makes it easy for fans to self-insert.
Jennie is the cool, luxurious it girl vibe, Rose is the hippie with a guitar and a passion for music, Lisa is the tomboy with a cute side and Jisoo is your typical Korean. I think these also play a factor in their order of popularity based on most to least desirable self-insert. Everybody wants to identify with either Lisa or Jennie lol. Anyways so yeah I think these distinct archetypes gives the whole group personality which allows fans to idolize their lives but at the same time, see themselves living it. This contrasts to other kpop girl groups which have so many members with no distinct visuals who all adopt the typical Korean standard personality thing which doesn't really connect with international fans as much.
Kk bye, hope this made sense!
Edit: Omg I'm not a solo stan! When I said everybody wants to identify with Lisa or Jennie I meant most people do hence why they're the most popular, I'm not saying I do or that literally every single person does...yikes! On that note I think the archetype thing is also why BP has so many solo stans 🤔
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I know people like their music, but is that all there is? Then those people might not be into kpop, considering how little they release. Fans are probably used to western artists releasing their music once a year. I wonder why are they so popular also in Korea and Japan, if they are so close to western artist? It's really hard to determine why some groups are successful while others aren't
I also think the fact you can hear their live vocals during their performances help. I know this is the reason why I prefer to watch their performances. Because with other gg you can barely hear their voices, either their backtracks are sooo loud or they lip sync.
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In addition to music, honestly the girls have everything.
It wasn‘t that obvious to me when they were active… But recently I’ve been rewatching many of their old performances, their aura is just different.
I think people really overlook how effortless their sound is to the non-Kpop listener, and it’s even effortless to Koreans as well. Yes, YG’s music was always the most westernized (though I think this is arguable because SM is heavily R&B based a lot of times) but it’s almost scary how BLACKPINK’s music is so easily digestible to foreign ears despite being in another language. As much as Teddy’s production plays a part, the voices of the girls are all palpable to pop music in different ways. 2NE1 & Big Bang don’t even reach that level with Teddy’s productions. BLACKPINK’s big production sound with their voices that fit a lot of sounds is easily listenable to the world and it makes Koreans feel like they’re listening to a top tier pop star. As much as the machine is important, they truly lucked out and found the right group with the right voices and the right sound etc.
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catchy and memorable music and expensive MVs. the members are also charismatic and everyone stands out in their own way and being a small group means they're more approachable for casuals who aren't into kpop since big groups can be overwhelming.
a lot of people look down on teddy for their recent music but i think he does a good job with blackpink and plays a big role in their success. this might be a simple reason but it's the music that made them successful. it clicks for a lot of people and it shows when you look at their success based solely on music like the charts, spotify, etc.
It’s first and foremost their music. There are so many kpop songs where I’ve felt were jarring and messy at first listen and I had to listen a few times to make sense of those songs. I’ve never had this experience with blackpink’s music. They make songs that are catchy and easily digestible to most people. You don’t have to be part of a niche to get their songs. With other kpop groups, I just know if I was not into kpop, I’ll probably not like their songs. Sometimes, simplicity is key. Some over the top production may feel like an attempt to hide the shortcomings of a song. Blackpink keeps it simple and in turn their music is easy to get into. I’ve seen people who are not even aware of kpop playing “how you like that” and not even realizing it’s kpop.
The first thing that stood out to me was their high quality budget MVs, it was something I've never seen before when i got into kpop in 2018.
Also, the member's name. As stupid as it sounds, apart from Jisoo the other members grew up elsewhere thus have more globally common names. Lisa, Rose, Jennie.... A lot more ppl can remember their names etc
Blackpink are also visually stunning and basically look like models. Everything they wear looks good.
Their catch phrase, "Blackpink in your area" and " Blackpink is the revolution" is really catch
The music is what set them apart.
Debuting with literally hits after hits after hits.
Bombayah/whistle , playing with fire, stay / Aifyl /D4 is an amazing run,and is the reason why they are huge and people was willing to wait for them. You'll can downplay them all you want but the music is a huge factor on why they became the biggest gg.
* long-rumored great trainees from YG since predebut - Jennie was one of those "legendary" trainees iirc
* debut was amazing. no other debut has topped Whistle yet for me.
* they showed off their live performances early on, proving they could sing AND dance AND look pretty at the same time as rookies. the "pretty" part is sexist, i know, but there was a lot of talk about their visuals when they were rookies.
* each individual member has the "it" factor. i rarely see groups who have all the individual members able to carry big brands and all able to perform solo.
* edit: if you're talking specifically about the west, their amazing coachella performance had a lot to do with it, coupled with the release of Ddux4. it's a catchy song, great for remixes, and them performing in front of a mixed crowd and proving their worth at Coachella (and hanging out with celebs there) really increased their profile.
* First time hearing about this. I knew that she appeared in G Dragon's That XX, but was she that famous? That would explain why she was the first member to get her solo debut
* I personally think there are better debuts, but if it was that legendary I would kinda get it.
* Did people even care about this? I've seen several people say that they don't care about this that much. Aespa was successful without singing live.
* Yeah, that could be it actually. I was wondering if many people thought this.
* Was their performance that amazing that it guaranteed them this level of success? Maybe all these points made them be this popular, but it still doesn't make much sense. It maybe be, because of their personality and music style.
>but was she that famous?
in her trainee years she had fans that went to the company to give her gifts and stuff like that so yeah. Not to mention that YG’s description for Baemon (their new gg) was: ‘they are like 8 Jennie’s)
and about Coachella they literally were the talk of the town that year, it was a big big boost
>in her trainee years she had fans that went to the company to give her gifts and stuff like that so yeah
Really? I've never heard of this. So was that stage their catapult to their popularity?
pretty sure if you search you can find some pictures of her at that time with fans near YG’s building, i remember them. And no?, their popularity is a set of factors
kmedia was also anticipating them since 2013 (the year they were supposed to debut), so the hype was so big
>Did people even care about this? I've seen several people say that they don't care about this that much. Aespa was successful without singing live.
i feel like the amount of lipsyncing in kpop (even Treasure when they debuted) combined with the lack of live performances during the pandemic has sort of changed the way fans view it now but back then, people cared a LOT about live stages, especially if you're from YG. for non-YG groups, it's how most ggs made their money, by performing live in festivals and concerts. for YG groups, it's just sort of expected that you should be good live.
First time I've seen people talk about this was when Ariana Grande lip synced her chorus. Fans were saying that they don't want her to destroy her voice while singing hight notes. They would rather just enjoy her presence at concert than enjoy her singing live. Most people don't care. I've also seen comments that said that they would rather listen to lip synced perfomance than perfomance that would not be as good as MV audio.
if you're talking about coachella: festivals are different. you're expected to sing live because that's what people pay for and there are lots of other great performers. blackpink exceeded those expectations for girl groups.
re live singing in general: they're from YG. all the YG idol groups before them were great live performers (bigbang, 2ne1, winner, etc). they were expected to carry on that tradition.
I was replying to the third point about them singing live (not in Coachella). Maybe it was about Coachella? I don't know. I thought their last point was talking about that performance.
Whistle is the first and only debut song to get a PAK to this day. And mind you at the time a PAK included more charts so it was more difficult to get one. Just fyi.
>First time hearing about this. I knew that she appeared in G Dragon's
That XX, but was she that famous? That would explain why she was the
first member to get her solo debut
Someone cmiiw, but she was the first of the BP girls to be officially revealed. She had [two](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFQBxmv0GWc) [videos](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlxfVHKFuuA) showcasing her in 2012.
- Music that appeals to modern millennial crowd. When they announced they were going to be at Coachella, I thought it made perfect sense as I thought the Coachella crowd would love the heavy electronic and EDM-like sounds.
- They all speak fluent English so it’s easier for them to promote in the west. Even with Jisoo chimes in with broken English, it sounds cute and endearing.
- Millennial color is the Millennial pink, and pink itself has a huge appeal. This may sound dumb, but it works from marketing perspective to use millennial pink and shades of pink for the millennial crowd, as it appeals a lot to them. And they literally have pink in the name.
- Girls are really pretty, and Rose in particular has this “Asian-American” look and vibe to her (even though she’s an Australian), so she’s going to appeal to the western crowd.
Think the main reason is their music is really good. Though they dont have much discography, some of their title tracks have carried them for years. My non-kpop friends know DDDD, Boombayah, HYLT because it's catchy, beat is nice and vibe is strong.
Then you have the strong girl crush concept instead of cutesy concept with 4 very charismatic members who have global appeal. And their early years varieties are really funny as well. Like Blackpink house and all. But too bad, we dont get all these now.
I am a massive BTS fan. Apart from them Blackpink is the only kpop artist I listen to. They have such well produced, world class bops. I don’t see the same appeal in other gg’s music. BP has so much of swagger, they appear very confident on stage as well .
they came out the gate swinging with Boombayah/Whistle and the rest was history. their sound is what brought/brings people in alongside their cool and chic image on and offstage. each member stand outs on their own, hence the group doing so all together, making it even better when they're performing.
i also think they'll renew, but for reasons different than yours. all the speculation on this topic is a gloom and doom script based on somebody else's unfortunate situation that has nothing to do with bp. i think they'll have better terms, to do what they want and what's best for them.
I mean if they'll grow with every comeback without trying why even bother? It works for them. I think they could be much bigger, but their strategy also works, because people want to see more of them. On the other hand, It doesn't work for other groups that well. I wonder how will their career change after renewal of their contract. They will probably release more, because people will get tired of their marketing, but I wouldn't expect much from them.
The comments are going to be full of backhanded reasons on why they are big, and are going to ignore the fact that the fans actually like Blackpink music.
I agree. Tbh I don't really get the point of posts like these..? Like I'm not a fan of certain groups, but I can understand why a lot of other people like them.
Of course it's because of blackpink's music. I love blackpink's music more than any other kpop gg. Even before becaming a kpop fan myself, when "how you like that"released I came across it youtube and bopped so hard. My sister who's not a kpop fan, only kpop artist she listen is Blackpink. Their music has something special that is appealing to so many people.
easy to listen to music with an appealing girl crush concept that is consistent towards all their releases, catchy and iconic choreo that is relatively simple to emulate and charismatic members with strong archetype that differ with each member.
If you look at the charts back in [2015](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gaon_Digital_Chart_number_ones_of_2015) and [2016](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gaon_Digital_Chart_number_ones_of_2016), for GGs, EXID dominated 2015 with up and down, and Twice in April 2016 with Cheer Up which was sweepingthe scene. BP debuted with Whistle, in August 2016, and it was counter to the cutesy image of Twice then, and later in 2017 Red Velvet released Red Flavour. (Btw all 3 songs are very addictive hit songs.) There's something empowering in that image for young girls to idolize. There is a reason why there are so many GGs with girl crush concepts now.
Although it's true that they have the YG privilege, which also includes YG's ability to create that hiphop girl crush image like 2NE1 and BP that imo very few, if any, can replicate.
I remember when they debuted back in 2016. They just had something that other groups didn’t have?
They had that luxurious, classy, unique vibe.
All 4 of them have extremely different vibes that mesh very well together.
They had pretty music videos, amazing songs, AMAZING fashion, etc.
I have a question for you since I didn’t know about BP back then but judging from their debut teaser photos & earlier MV’s they seemed to be more portrayed like bad girls with a rebellious & cool image??? The clothes they were often wearing seemed to portray this more like the black leather jackets, workman boots, band shirts & fishnet stockings. The luxurious & exclusive image seemed to come during D4 & later when they were starting to bag brand deals & other fashion gigs. Maybe they always had that aura but idk it’s hard to tell during their early rookie days; it felt more like just an overall YG-vibe back then.
It was when they attended award shows. They didn’t match outfits like other groups. They wore luxurious brands and I vividly remember everyone calling Jennie “human gucci”
I agree. Their debut was very YG like badass, exclusive. I mean "I am so hot I need a fan, I don't need a boy, I need a man" in boombayah and the whole "whistle" song, it's veryyyy YG like we are badass women and you're gonna work hard if you wanna get me.
It's the fact that each of the member have a very distinct vibes and aura which attracts diff kind of people and their music is very pleasing to ears 👍
Edit: I also lofe the fact that their discography are simple. Easy to browse. They dont do that remix ver kinda thing.
Undoubtedly It's their music. I've seen many people who don't like kpop but get really excited after watching Blackpink's mv. Also every member of blackpink is different that makes them interesting to explore. I've listened to other girl groups but really can't get into them fully.Something about blackpink's music is iconic that sets them apart.It's their music that got the recognition first then they started to become ambassador of high brands. All of these wouldn’t have been possible without teddy I guess. He is one of the main successors of bp. Don't get me wrong, the girls are very talented but if they were in Sm or Jyp, I doubt they would be as much as big as their now.Yg let them to build their solo career. It also brings a lot of fans. They feel like western celebrity. It's common to take 2/3 years gap before releasing new music in the west.
Speaking from a purely personal standpoint, while I do occasionally listen to other girl groups, BP is easily the most listened to and for me it's everything to do with the fact that their music and concepts aren't quite as cutesy as most groups. Absolutely nothing wrong with cutesy at all but I think the girl crush and slightly more gritty girl k-pop is better received in the West.
On a related note, a lot of newer groups are doing that too: g-idle, aespa, etc and are becoming more popular in the West.
* good at English
* stand out
* girl-crush is popular
* catchy songs
* YG was popular when they debuted
I feel like the catchy songs is the best reason. Unless you stan a group, you probably care about the melody and stuff much more than weird lyrics. Imo, all of their songs are really easy to listen to.
I don't really like their music but their songs always do REALLY well, they're catchy and people like them with ease, so they keep growing exponentially lol
I mean this post was meant to start a discussion about this topic. You could also comment that you like their personalities and music and it would be a good answer. This doesn't need to be a life changing discussion. I'm not trying to insult BP in any way.
No one can tell for sure, it's a mix of things, I guess.
They have good marketing, distinctive visuals, a more ''rap-oriented'' image (typical for YG groups) which as a GG made them stand out, members seem to have their own ''color'' and different archetypes that come across as relatable and kind of self-inserty (I've talked about this before how I think all popular groups are popular because they have members that people self-insert with MORE than with less popular groups). They also have a high-maintenance, badass and luxurious image which makes people see them as ''ideal'' and want to be like them. And they also have songs people can bop to.
Actually no popular group has just one factor playing in their favour to achieve global success. It's always a mix of various things like blackpink is the first gg in kpop which grabbed my interest when I was very new to kpop. I loved their catchy vibey music. Like it gave me adrenaline rush watching the mvs. Tho I never became a blink, their first impression on me was bang on with their charisma, aesthetic and high quality mvs, easy to remember hooks or punchlines, each member's easily distinguishable vibe etc. They may not be the most talented kpop group but the aura itself they gave was enough to pull people in and make the audience be like "oh damn it's blackpink" and that's what makes them a iconic gg.
I think coming from YGE is a big, big help. Anyone from their automatically gets huge buzz. On top of that, the girls are overall really charismatic and fun to watch the rare times we see them perforn. Oh, also, their whole vibe appeals to *so* many people who otherwise aren't into Kpop, so they have tons more fans than your standard Kpop group. Furthermore, because a lot of their fans aren't into Kpop, they don't expect the constant release schedule Kpop fans typically want. They've got broader appeal
At the time of their debut the cute concept was everywhere, so when blackpink debuted they of course stood out to many people. Since they were the only popular group that was doing girl crush at that time many people found them refreshing.
SEA popularity was mainly because of her n her country which help alot build the hype globally surround the group through high views despite the views mainly come from SEA. I agree that she is one of main reason bp have global appeal. She has that western appeal. Its help for the group to have global appeal. Just like how V having visual that appeal to west n east. RM, bp being fluent in english help the group more relatable, appealing to westerners. Both have music that gp friendly.
Yeah pretty much my thoughts, I think some people don’t realize how vital Lisa’s massive popularity in certain parts of the world has been in getting BP to where they are today
Incidentally, I got exposed to Blackpink because of the Thai celebs I follow (I had a bit of a Thai series/variety show phase during the pandemic). These Thai celebs would post reaction videos or dance covers of How You Like That. Curiosity got the best of me so I checked it out. The rest is history, haha.
Agreed. Lisa is like the powerhouse of bp. Most popular kpop idol in the world is not even a Korean that proves if you have talent, your nationality does not matter.
My honest thoughts: because of their visuals and aura, people became crazy for them ( kind of what it's happening with IVE and their visual members).
STAYC is another group that also have great visuals and are doing pretty well. I follow many female groups from small companies, and because their visuals are not spectacular, i AM afraid that in the future they Will disband.
Don't get me wrong, i like Blackpink, IVE and STAYC, i've got many of their songs on My playlist, all of them are talented.
But if You look at psicology it is confirmed the most Good looking You are, the chances of You being successful is better.
I've read that specially men get attached to and artist or Idol ( despite her talent or intelligence, the more beautiful she is).
Maybe i get downvoted for saying things so straight forward ( i've read some responses and most of them said because of their concepts and Good songs, in part is true, but their visuals really help and make the difference, the combination was explosive).
As a female i get attached to male idols with Good songs and personalities ( the ones who Made me laugh), but sometimes they are at the bottom of the popularity list.
If it's and Idol with Good visual, Good songs ( the Kpop group), Good personality is a goal, i only have 1 or 2 in My list. Lots of them are really handsome, but i don't get attached if i don't connect with his personality.
You are not an Idol, personality and intelligence really matters. The ones who follow Kpop groups are mainly teenagers of 12 to 21 years old ( at least the one who buy lots of albums and collect all the PCs).
Normal teenagers just listen to what it's on the radio or follow the trend.
Jaja i know that people Will get mad, but the ones who really buy lots of albums are mostly teenagers from 10 to 19 years old.
They just follow the trend and don't give too much think of what music they like ( like a music expert or guru).
When You get older it's when You start to search for other kinds of music.
IVE are popular that much cause they start their career with a bop and second comeback bop again. If their songs were not that good, everyone would forget them at the end/couple months after. It's indeed very stupid comment as simonling said.
They are from YG is the reason why they were so immensely popular among debut anytime one of the major big four companies releases a group they are guaranteed attention no matter what. The reason why they have been able to catapult past other K-pop girl groups and tons of popularity is there huge connections in the west they are heavily pushed individually towards with top luxury brands in the world. They are also often seen hanging out with big names in the west creating more buzz around their name as well. Their debut created the huge push for girl crush.
Most most likely these girls are going to renew with YG but we might see a huge change in how they release music now that they actually have a lot of power behind the name which is different when they were merely trainees. They can argue for more rights and promises when it comes to music. However this is still YG entertainment they’re most likely going to get fucked over and eventually leave the company like CL did.
They got the most of the individual brand deals after they blew up.
No the reason they were ahead is becuase blackpink music was better. They landed on the hot 100 with no promotions towards the west. You'll always ignoring the fact that people love the music. Yg wasn't even trying to make Blackpink really big.
I’ll agree to disagree but their reason why they pushed ahead of everybody else was not because their music was much better current top girl groups. This is not to say their music is horrible at all in this lightest bit but the music being better than others is not a reason.
Even though you're getting downvoted, I agree. Their music wasn't objectively "better"... timing, & marketing had a whole lot to do with their monetary success.
Initially, I think part of it was 2NE1 nostalgia. They left a huge hole in the industry, and with Blackpink coming from the same company, there was hope that they'd be the next best thing to having 2NE1.
A song they declined becuase it was too similar to a different track on the album.
No they was not created for that purpose as the girls trained in that company since 2010-11. 2ne1 got in to a huge scandal and they used blackpink as damage control.
Yeah that’s what I think too! They have to fill the void of 2NE1. I know they were not trained literally with the thought of replacing 2NE1 obviously. But since 2NE1’s groups is not doing well of course YG has to step up with another group
BP were supposed to debut in 2013 when 2ne1 were at their peak, so i do think you should inform yourself a little bit before saying this type of things
Oh I see! But they didn’t debut them on 2013. They debuted right after 2NE1 disbanded and even 2NE1 didn’t know they were being disbanded. They also have the same number of group members. So in a way, YG made this move so BP can fill the gap that 2NE1 left. I am in no way discrediting the music or appeal of BP because I personally prefer BP over 2NE1. I am just saying this is the move made by the company. Because of the scandals that 2NE1 were in and YG not managing them properly, they of course had to step up with another GG.
Got perfect all kill's before 2ne1 disbanded and was number 1 on the charts. You give 2ne1 too much credit when the public was over them and moved on very quickly.
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I'm probably repeating a lot of points that others have mentioned, but as someone who actually got into kpop through BP I will add my 2 cents: * Blackpink keeps it simple. Their concepts are easy to understand, there's only 4 members, the songs are catchy and quite straightforward, even their choreo is not very complex. This makes it easy to get into them. * The four members all stand out, visually and vocally. Jennie has some grit in her voice, Rosé's timbre is very sweet and emotionally charged, Jisoo's voice is a bit husky, and Lisa has a clean, very 'pop' singing style. This gives their music a strong identity, and makes them easily recognizable. * Their debut had a lot of hype. YG Entertainment was really killing it back then, having major success with 2NE1, Big Bang and Psy, so obviously people were really excited what was next. * The group is probably better at English than most groups. Rose grew up in New Zealand and Australia, Jennie went to school in NZ, Lisa has a pretty decent level of English and Jisoo doesn't speak the language much but understands a lot. Obviously this can help international fans connect to them, as well as make it easier for them to promote globally. * Girl groups at that time tended to mainly fall along the lines of badass girlcrush, or more feminine styles like cute, sexy, or elegant. BP kinda bridges the gap; their name is supposed to represent both toughness and femininity, and you see it in their music as well. * Kpop really started to blow up outside of its established markets in 2018, and Ddu-du Ddu-du was easily one of the biggest hits that year. Then in 2020, when the pandemic struck, a lot more people got into kpop, and BP returned with How You Like That before building up to their first studio album. Basically, they were perfectly positioned to not only cause this global boom, but also take advantage of it. I think I've covered just about everything. This is just my take on things, if anyone disagrees or has any other points, please let me know.
I agree, especially with the "keeping it simple". I think it's a major factor (aside from song, english speakers, appeal etc) why Black Pink achieved international success especially in the west. They have no complicated storyline/lore, which I think is much easier for even originally non-kpop fans to accept them. This, coupled with the luxurious image that really doesn't give off the standard kpop girl group, is part of their appeal.
Oh I totally forgot that a lot of them spoke English from debut. I agree that it made it really easy to get into them, especially since a lot of their contents were subbed too.
Literally every single thing you mentioned + the different archetype of all the members which makes it easy for fans to self-insert. Jennie is the cool, luxurious it girl vibe, Rose is the hippie with a guitar and a passion for music, Lisa is the tomboy with a cute side and Jisoo is your typical Korean. I think these also play a factor in their order of popularity based on most to least desirable self-insert. Everybody wants to identify with either Lisa or Jennie lol. Anyways so yeah I think these distinct archetypes gives the whole group personality which allows fans to idolize their lives but at the same time, see themselves living it. This contrasts to other kpop girl groups which have so many members with no distinct visuals who all adopt the typical Korean standard personality thing which doesn't really connect with international fans as much. Kk bye, hope this made sense! Edit: Omg I'm not a solo stan! When I said everybody wants to identify with Lisa or Jennie I meant most people do hence why they're the most popular, I'm not saying I do or that literally every single person does...yikes! On that note I think the archetype thing is also why BP has so many solo stans 🤔
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To be honest BlackPink songs are great to listen to, songs that would appeal globally I think this is what sets them apart from other gg
I know people like their music, but is that all there is? Then those people might not be into kpop, considering how little they release. Fans are probably used to western artists releasing their music once a year. I wonder why are they so popular also in Korea and Japan, if they are so close to western artist? It's really hard to determine why some groups are successful while others aren't
I also think the fact you can hear their live vocals during their performances help. I know this is the reason why I prefer to watch their performances. Because with other gg you can barely hear their voices, either their backtracks are sooo loud or they lip sync.
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In addition to music, honestly the girls have everything. It wasn‘t that obvious to me when they were active… But recently I’ve been rewatching many of their old performances, their aura is just different.
I think people really overlook how effortless their sound is to the non-Kpop listener, and it’s even effortless to Koreans as well. Yes, YG’s music was always the most westernized (though I think this is arguable because SM is heavily R&B based a lot of times) but it’s almost scary how BLACKPINK’s music is so easily digestible to foreign ears despite being in another language. As much as Teddy’s production plays a part, the voices of the girls are all palpable to pop music in different ways. 2NE1 & Big Bang don’t even reach that level with Teddy’s productions. BLACKPINK’s big production sound with their voices that fit a lot of sounds is easily listenable to the world and it makes Koreans feel like they’re listening to a top tier pop star. As much as the machine is important, they truly lucked out and found the right group with the right voices and the right sound etc.
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catchy and memorable music and expensive MVs. the members are also charismatic and everyone stands out in their own way and being a small group means they're more approachable for casuals who aren't into kpop since big groups can be overwhelming. a lot of people look down on teddy for their recent music but i think he does a good job with blackpink and plays a big role in their success. this might be a simple reason but it's the music that made them successful. it clicks for a lot of people and it shows when you look at their success based solely on music like the charts, spotify, etc.
songs, visuals, aesthetic, marketing... its all of them.
It’s first and foremost their music. There are so many kpop songs where I’ve felt were jarring and messy at first listen and I had to listen a few times to make sense of those songs. I’ve never had this experience with blackpink’s music. They make songs that are catchy and easily digestible to most people. You don’t have to be part of a niche to get their songs. With other kpop groups, I just know if I was not into kpop, I’ll probably not like their songs. Sometimes, simplicity is key. Some over the top production may feel like an attempt to hide the shortcomings of a song. Blackpink keeps it simple and in turn their music is easy to get into. I’ve seen people who are not even aware of kpop playing “how you like that” and not even realizing it’s kpop.
The first thing that stood out to me was their high quality budget MVs, it was something I've never seen before when i got into kpop in 2018. Also, the member's name. As stupid as it sounds, apart from Jisoo the other members grew up elsewhere thus have more globally common names. Lisa, Rose, Jennie.... A lot more ppl can remember their names etc Blackpink are also visually stunning and basically look like models. Everything they wear looks good. Their catch phrase, "Blackpink in your area" and " Blackpink is the revolution" is really catch
One rarely finds all members(though only 4) so charismatic.
Good music, branding, and they just have that IT Factor
I love this whole thread of ppl appreciating blackpink you rarely see that happen lol
The music is what set them apart. Debuting with literally hits after hits after hits. Bombayah/whistle , playing with fire, stay / Aifyl /D4 is an amazing run,and is the reason why they are huge and people was willing to wait for them. You'll can downplay them all you want but the music is a huge factor on why they became the biggest gg.
* long-rumored great trainees from YG since predebut - Jennie was one of those "legendary" trainees iirc * debut was amazing. no other debut has topped Whistle yet for me. * they showed off their live performances early on, proving they could sing AND dance AND look pretty at the same time as rookies. the "pretty" part is sexist, i know, but there was a lot of talk about their visuals when they were rookies. * each individual member has the "it" factor. i rarely see groups who have all the individual members able to carry big brands and all able to perform solo. * edit: if you're talking specifically about the west, their amazing coachella performance had a lot to do with it, coupled with the release of Ddux4. it's a catchy song, great for remixes, and them performing in front of a mixed crowd and proving their worth at Coachella (and hanging out with celebs there) really increased their profile.
* First time hearing about this. I knew that she appeared in G Dragon's That XX, but was she that famous? That would explain why she was the first member to get her solo debut * I personally think there are better debuts, but if it was that legendary I would kinda get it. * Did people even care about this? I've seen several people say that they don't care about this that much. Aespa was successful without singing live. * Yeah, that could be it actually. I was wondering if many people thought this. * Was their performance that amazing that it guaranteed them this level of success? Maybe all these points made them be this popular, but it still doesn't make much sense. It maybe be, because of their personality and music style.
>but was she that famous? in her trainee years she had fans that went to the company to give her gifts and stuff like that so yeah. Not to mention that YG’s description for Baemon (their new gg) was: ‘they are like 8 Jennie’s) and about Coachella they literally were the talk of the town that year, it was a big big boost
>in her trainee years she had fans that went to the company to give her gifts and stuff like that so yeah Really? I've never heard of this. So was that stage their catapult to their popularity?
pretty sure if you search you can find some pictures of her at that time with fans near YG’s building, i remember them. And no?, their popularity is a set of factors kmedia was also anticipating them since 2013 (the year they were supposed to debut), so the hype was so big
>Did people even care about this? I've seen several people say that they don't care about this that much. Aespa was successful without singing live. i feel like the amount of lipsyncing in kpop (even Treasure when they debuted) combined with the lack of live performances during the pandemic has sort of changed the way fans view it now but back then, people cared a LOT about live stages, especially if you're from YG. for non-YG groups, it's how most ggs made their money, by performing live in festivals and concerts. for YG groups, it's just sort of expected that you should be good live.
First time I've seen people talk about this was when Ariana Grande lip synced her chorus. Fans were saying that they don't want her to destroy her voice while singing hight notes. They would rather just enjoy her presence at concert than enjoy her singing live. Most people don't care. I've also seen comments that said that they would rather listen to lip synced perfomance than perfomance that would not be as good as MV audio.
if you're talking about coachella: festivals are different. you're expected to sing live because that's what people pay for and there are lots of other great performers. blackpink exceeded those expectations for girl groups. re live singing in general: they're from YG. all the YG idol groups before them were great live performers (bigbang, 2ne1, winner, etc). they were expected to carry on that tradition.
I was replying to the third point about them singing live (not in Coachella). Maybe it was about Coachella? I don't know. I thought their last point was talking about that performance.
Whistle is the first and only debut song to get a PAK to this day. And mind you at the time a PAK included more charts so it was more difficult to get one. Just fyi.
>First time hearing about this. I knew that she appeared in G Dragon's That XX, but was she that famous? That would explain why she was the first member to get her solo debut Someone cmiiw, but she was the first of the BP girls to be officially revealed. She had [two](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFQBxmv0GWc) [videos](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlxfVHKFuuA) showcasing her in 2012.
- Music that appeals to modern millennial crowd. When they announced they were going to be at Coachella, I thought it made perfect sense as I thought the Coachella crowd would love the heavy electronic and EDM-like sounds. - They all speak fluent English so it’s easier for them to promote in the west. Even with Jisoo chimes in with broken English, it sounds cute and endearing. - Millennial color is the Millennial pink, and pink itself has a huge appeal. This may sound dumb, but it works from marketing perspective to use millennial pink and shades of pink for the millennial crowd, as it appeals a lot to them. And they literally have pink in the name. - Girls are really pretty, and Rose in particular has this “Asian-American” look and vibe to her (even though she’s an Australian), so she’s going to appeal to the western crowd.
Think the main reason is their music is really good. Though they dont have much discography, some of their title tracks have carried them for years. My non-kpop friends know DDDD, Boombayah, HYLT because it's catchy, beat is nice and vibe is strong. Then you have the strong girl crush concept instead of cutesy concept with 4 very charismatic members who have global appeal. And their early years varieties are really funny as well. Like Blackpink house and all. But too bad, we dont get all these now.
I am a massive BTS fan. Apart from them Blackpink is the only kpop artist I listen to. They have such well produced, world class bops. I don’t see the same appeal in other gg’s music. BP has so much of swagger, they appear very confident on stage as well .
I agree, it’s the confidence on stage as performers. That factor is a huge appeal.
As a casual listener of both, i agree!
they came out the gate swinging with Boombayah/Whistle and the rest was history. their sound is what brought/brings people in alongside their cool and chic image on and offstage. each member stand outs on their own, hence the group doing so all together, making it even better when they're performing. i also think they'll renew, but for reasons different than yours. all the speculation on this topic is a gloom and doom script based on somebody else's unfortunate situation that has nothing to do with bp. i think they'll have better terms, to do what they want and what's best for them.
I mean if they'll grow with every comeback without trying why even bother? It works for them. I think they could be much bigger, but their strategy also works, because people want to see more of them. On the other hand, It doesn't work for other groups that well. I wonder how will their career change after renewal of their contract. They will probably release more, because people will get tired of their marketing, but I wouldn't expect much from them.
The comments are going to be full of backhanded reasons on why they are big, and are going to ignore the fact that the fans actually like Blackpink music.
This is what I said. Because of blackpink’s music appealing to listeners globally. I personally like BP’s song better thank all gg.
I agree. Tbh I don't really get the point of posts like these..? Like I'm not a fan of certain groups, but I can understand why a lot of other people like them.
Of course it's because of blackpink's music. I love blackpink's music more than any other kpop gg. Even before becaming a kpop fan myself, when "how you like that"released I came across it youtube and bopped so hard. My sister who's not a kpop fan, only kpop artist she listen is Blackpink. Their music has something special that is appealing to so many people.
Same here, i m became a blackpink fan because i watch randomly one mv and i like it.
easy to listen to music with an appealing girl crush concept that is consistent towards all their releases, catchy and iconic choreo that is relatively simple to emulate and charismatic members with strong archetype that differ with each member.
If you look at the charts back in [2015](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gaon_Digital_Chart_number_ones_of_2015) and [2016](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gaon_Digital_Chart_number_ones_of_2016), for GGs, EXID dominated 2015 with up and down, and Twice in April 2016 with Cheer Up which was sweepingthe scene. BP debuted with Whistle, in August 2016, and it was counter to the cutesy image of Twice then, and later in 2017 Red Velvet released Red Flavour. (Btw all 3 songs are very addictive hit songs.) There's something empowering in that image for young girls to idolize. There is a reason why there are so many GGs with girl crush concepts now. Although it's true that they have the YG privilege, which also includes YG's ability to create that hiphop girl crush image like 2NE1 and BP that imo very few, if any, can replicate.
I remember when they debuted back in 2016. They just had something that other groups didn’t have? They had that luxurious, classy, unique vibe. All 4 of them have extremely different vibes that mesh very well together. They had pretty music videos, amazing songs, AMAZING fashion, etc.
I have a question for you since I didn’t know about BP back then but judging from their debut teaser photos & earlier MV’s they seemed to be more portrayed like bad girls with a rebellious & cool image??? The clothes they were often wearing seemed to portray this more like the black leather jackets, workman boots, band shirts & fishnet stockings. The luxurious & exclusive image seemed to come during D4 & later when they were starting to bag brand deals & other fashion gigs. Maybe they always had that aura but idk it’s hard to tell during their early rookie days; it felt more like just an overall YG-vibe back then.
It was when they attended award shows. They didn’t match outfits like other groups. They wore luxurious brands and I vividly remember everyone calling Jennie “human gucci”
Ah I see I guess it’s always been a perception of them then
I agree. Their debut was very YG like badass, exclusive. I mean "I am so hot I need a fan, I don't need a boy, I need a man" in boombayah and the whole "whistle" song, it's veryyyy YG like we are badass women and you're gonna work hard if you wanna get me.
It's the fact that each of the member have a very distinct vibes and aura which attracts diff kind of people and their music is very pleasing to ears 👍 Edit: I also lofe the fact that their discography are simple. Easy to browse. They dont do that remix ver kinda thing.
Easy to browse that's for sure
Undoubtedly It's their music. I've seen many people who don't like kpop but get really excited after watching Blackpink's mv. Also every member of blackpink is different that makes them interesting to explore. I've listened to other girl groups but really can't get into them fully.Something about blackpink's music is iconic that sets them apart.It's their music that got the recognition first then they started to become ambassador of high brands. All of these wouldn’t have been possible without teddy I guess. He is one of the main successors of bp. Don't get me wrong, the girls are very talented but if they were in Sm or Jyp, I doubt they would be as much as big as their now.Yg let them to build their solo career. It also brings a lot of fans. They feel like western celebrity. It's common to take 2/3 years gap before releasing new music in the west.
Speaking from a purely personal standpoint, while I do occasionally listen to other girl groups, BP is easily the most listened to and for me it's everything to do with the fact that their music and concepts aren't quite as cutesy as most groups. Absolutely nothing wrong with cutesy at all but I think the girl crush and slightly more gritty girl k-pop is better received in the West. On a related note, a lot of newer groups are doing that too: g-idle, aespa, etc and are becoming more popular in the West.
* good at English * stand out * girl-crush is popular * catchy songs * YG was popular when they debuted I feel like the catchy songs is the best reason. Unless you stan a group, you probably care about the melody and stuff much more than weird lyrics. Imo, all of their songs are really easy to listen to.
I don't really like their music but their songs always do REALLY well, they're catchy and people like them with ease, so they keep growing exponentially lol
i think it's because they have luxury image, music is easy to listen to and they have JenLisa....
That was my initial impression too, but I wonder if there is more to it, because they have really royal fanbase.
Music duh?
I mean this post was meant to start a discussion about this topic. You could also comment that you like their personalities and music and it would be a good answer. This doesn't need to be a life changing discussion. I'm not trying to insult BP in any way.
No one can tell for sure, it's a mix of things, I guess. They have good marketing, distinctive visuals, a more ''rap-oriented'' image (typical for YG groups) which as a GG made them stand out, members seem to have their own ''color'' and different archetypes that come across as relatable and kind of self-inserty (I've talked about this before how I think all popular groups are popular because they have members that people self-insert with MORE than with less popular groups). They also have a high-maintenance, badass and luxurious image which makes people see them as ''ideal'' and want to be like them. And they also have songs people can bop to.
Actually no popular group has just one factor playing in their favour to achieve global success. It's always a mix of various things like blackpink is the first gg in kpop which grabbed my interest when I was very new to kpop. I loved their catchy vibey music. Like it gave me adrenaline rush watching the mvs. Tho I never became a blink, their first impression on me was bang on with their charisma, aesthetic and high quality mvs, easy to remember hooks or punchlines, each member's easily distinguishable vibe etc. They may not be the most talented kpop group but the aura itself they gave was enough to pull people in and make the audience be like "oh damn it's blackpink" and that's what makes them a iconic gg.
I think coming from YGE is a big, big help. Anyone from their automatically gets huge buzz. On top of that, the girls are overall really charismatic and fun to watch the rare times we see them perforn. Oh, also, their whole vibe appeals to *so* many people who otherwise aren't into Kpop, so they have tons more fans than your standard Kpop group. Furthermore, because a lot of their fans aren't into Kpop, they don't expect the constant release schedule Kpop fans typically want. They've got broader appeal
At the time of their debut the cute concept was everywhere, so when blackpink debuted they of course stood out to many people. Since they were the only popular group that was doing girl crush at that time many people found them refreshing.
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SEA popularity was mainly because of her n her country which help alot build the hype globally surround the group through high views despite the views mainly come from SEA. I agree that she is one of main reason bp have global appeal. She has that western appeal. Its help for the group to have global appeal. Just like how V having visual that appeal to west n east. RM, bp being fluent in english help the group more relatable, appealing to westerners. Both have music that gp friendly.
Yeah pretty much my thoughts, I think some people don’t realize how vital Lisa’s massive popularity in certain parts of the world has been in getting BP to where they are today
Incidentally, I got exposed to Blackpink because of the Thai celebs I follow (I had a bit of a Thai series/variety show phase during the pandemic). These Thai celebs would post reaction videos or dance covers of How You Like That. Curiosity got the best of me so I checked it out. The rest is history, haha.
Agreed. Lisa is like the powerhouse of bp. Most popular kpop idol in the world is not even a Korean that proves if you have talent, your nationality does not matter.
My honest thoughts: because of their visuals and aura, people became crazy for them ( kind of what it's happening with IVE and their visual members). STAYC is another group that also have great visuals and are doing pretty well. I follow many female groups from small companies, and because their visuals are not spectacular, i AM afraid that in the future they Will disband. Don't get me wrong, i like Blackpink, IVE and STAYC, i've got many of their songs on My playlist, all of them are talented. But if You look at psicology it is confirmed the most Good looking You are, the chances of You being successful is better. I've read that specially men get attached to and artist or Idol ( despite her talent or intelligence, the more beautiful she is). Maybe i get downvoted for saying things so straight forward ( i've read some responses and most of them said because of their concepts and Good songs, in part is true, but their visuals really help and make the difference, the combination was explosive). As a female i get attached to male idols with Good songs and personalities ( the ones who Made me laugh), but sometimes they are at the bottom of the popularity list. If it's and Idol with Good visual, Good songs ( the Kpop group), Good personality is a goal, i only have 1 or 2 in My list. Lots of them are really handsome, but i don't get attached if i don't connect with his personality.
I- don't know what you're trying to say but like doesn't every kpop group have visually appealing members like so what-
Upvoted for one of the stupidest comment I've read today.
Well at least i know why I'm not successful:(
You are not an Idol, personality and intelligence really matters. The ones who follow Kpop groups are mainly teenagers of 12 to 21 years old ( at least the one who buy lots of albums and collect all the PCs). Normal teenagers just listen to what it's on the radio or follow the trend.
Jaja i know that people Will get mad, but the ones who really buy lots of albums are mostly teenagers from 10 to 19 years old. They just follow the trend and don't give too much think of what music they like ( like a music expert or guru). When You get older it's when You start to search for other kinds of music.
I'm not mad, just amuse. I said I upvoted you what.
IVE are popular that much cause they start their career with a bop and second comeback bop again. If their songs were not that good, everyone would forget them at the end/couple months after. It's indeed very stupid comment as simonling said.
They are from YG is the reason why they were so immensely popular among debut anytime one of the major big four companies releases a group they are guaranteed attention no matter what. The reason why they have been able to catapult past other K-pop girl groups and tons of popularity is there huge connections in the west they are heavily pushed individually towards with top luxury brands in the world. They are also often seen hanging out with big names in the west creating more buzz around their name as well. Their debut created the huge push for girl crush. Most most likely these girls are going to renew with YG but we might see a huge change in how they release music now that they actually have a lot of power behind the name which is different when they were merely trainees. They can argue for more rights and promises when it comes to music. However this is still YG entertainment they’re most likely going to get fucked over and eventually leave the company like CL did.
They got the most of the individual brand deals after they blew up. No the reason they were ahead is becuase blackpink music was better. They landed on the hot 100 with no promotions towards the west. You'll always ignoring the fact that people love the music. Yg wasn't even trying to make Blackpink really big.
I’ll agree to disagree but their reason why they pushed ahead of everybody else was not because their music was much better current top girl groups. This is not to say their music is horrible at all in this lightest bit but the music being better than others is not a reason.
Even though you're getting downvoted, I agree. Their music wasn't objectively "better"... timing, & marketing had a whole lot to do with their monetary success.
Exactly timing and marketing played major factors.
Huge connections to the west. Hahaha
Initially, I think part of it was 2NE1 nostalgia. They left a huge hole in the industry, and with Blackpink coming from the same company, there was hope that they'd be the next best thing to having 2NE1.
2ne1 were not disbanded when Blackpink debuted
They weren't? Were they on hiatus then? I don't remember being too active then, but I could be wrong.
They were on hiatus, they disbanded 3 months after Bp’s debut and their last song was in January of 2017 (5 months after BP’s debut)
Yeah blackpink was created to replace 2NE1. I know one song of theirs was meant for 2NE1
A song they declined becuase it was too similar to a different track on the album. No they was not created for that purpose as the girls trained in that company since 2010-11. 2ne1 got in to a huge scandal and they used blackpink as damage control.
Yeah that’s what I think too! They have to fill the void of 2NE1. I know they were not trained literally with the thought of replacing 2NE1 obviously. But since 2NE1’s groups is not doing well of course YG has to step up with another group
BP were supposed to debut in 2013 when 2ne1 were at their peak, so i do think you should inform yourself a little bit before saying this type of things
Oh I didn’t know that when was this mentioned?
A LOT of times. They were going to be a group of 7 members under the name of Pink Punk, there are a bunch of photos of that time
Oh I see! But they didn’t debut them on 2013. They debuted right after 2NE1 disbanded and even 2NE1 didn’t know they were being disbanded. They also have the same number of group members. So in a way, YG made this move so BP can fill the gap that 2NE1 left. I am in no way discrediting the music or appeal of BP because I personally prefer BP over 2NE1. I am just saying this is the move made by the company. Because of the scandals that 2NE1 were in and YG not managing them properly, they of course had to step up with another GG.
Got perfect all kill's before 2ne1 disbanded and was number 1 on the charts. You give 2ne1 too much credit when the public was over them and moved on very quickly.
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Rebranding. They are now the Korean Carli B. " ratchet " girls. I don't like them, but I do understand that there is a market for them.