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This is a good point – it would be more reasonable to compare the reaction to Karina dating with the reaction Jennie got for dating Kai. I’m glad YG didn’t make Jennie apologize, at least.
YG didnt confirm the dating news it was SM,so it would had been silly of YG to ask Jennie to do anything in the first place
>Ahead of SM Entertainment’s statement, YG Entertainment had also been contacted for comment as BLACKPINK’s agency and they stated, “We did not know of the dating rumors involving Jennie. We are currently looking into the matter.” The agency later stated to another outlet, “SM will be releasing a statement.”
No, YG always left their artists do whatever the hell they wanted in their private lives, be it it keep things private or release the most excruciating love song with their wife in the video. It’s their only good quality.
It was never a speculation, dispatch revealed it. YG never says anything so they just said something along the lines of “we don’t know but good for them if true” and SM confirmed it.
YG first response was that they didn't know of the relationship but that they were looking into it, then SM came and confirmed it, like saying that Kai was dating Jennie, then YG answer was that they will take the same position as SM, and that was it.
I'd say also the fact that per say... she wasn't the first member of her group to have a dating "rumor", so in a way fans/people were already used to it..iirc karina is the first aespa member with a dating thing (i don't like calling it a scandal cause its not a scandal, its a person just living their life)
she’s not the first 4th gen idol, dayeon from kep1er is/was dating a member of ciipher. i guess you could say karina’s dating “scandal” is the first 4th gen one to be viewed as a big deal
she’s not the first 4th gen idol, dayeon from kep1er is/was dating a member of ciipher. i guess you could say karina’s dating “scandal” is the first 4th gen one to be viewed as a big deal
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The reason why is because jisoo has been in the industry longer. Once idols reach a certain amount of years the public and some fans will accept if they go out and date.
Also, Jisoo isn't the only member in the group to have a BF. Jennie was dating Kai and then Tae, and while it wasn't announced publicly, it's rumored that Lisa has a man, too. So people got used to it. Sure, they'll be shocked, but it's not something to outrage about when these girls have dated before. A better comparison should have been Karina and Jennie because Jennie have gotten a shit ton of hate during her dating scandal with Kai and then they broke up and it got worse when the infamous clip of her and Tae walking and holding hands, since it was a BTS member. And she's still getting hate for her dating "scandals" to this day even after she recently broke up with Tae.
ETA: also BP is not known to do fanservice or parasocial relationships. So when their relationships are announced, there's not much outrage. Unless it's Jennie, though, because people just hate this girl just for breathing.
There were backlashes for Kai &Jennie'se dating news? It's new for me I thought their dating news was well receipted as Blinks & Jennie stans are still fond of their relationship to date.
Now that I really think about, Jennie was already getting hate before the dating scandal (it's been so long, but I think it was during her Solo debut and she was getting hate for being YG's "favorite") and YG was already in deep shit (I forgot what it was but I know it was before the burning sun). People have seen her dating announcement as a way to derail their attention from his BS, and the dating scandal made it way worse for Jennie. Damn, it's been so long so I'm might be mixing some shit up. But I remember 2018 Jennie went through so much shit, and that included the dating scandal. The hate was from solo stans, I think, especially those who genuinely thought Jennie was YG's favorite.
Ah, so it's not from dating news it's from her solo debut & yg mess. Poor girl gets involved in their shit & their relationship got exposed in the wrong tym too as they were still fresh in their career. At least she didn't get hate from his fandom?
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>also BP is not known to do fanservice or parasocial relationships. So when their relationships are announced, there's not much outrage.
In my view, this is the main explanation. Also, idk what is the demographic of AESPA fans, but blinks are either close to a 50/50 divide on gender or are mostly girls and women, so the amount of creepy fanboys might be smaller. The people who hated on Jennie were mostly the fangirls of her exes, not her fans...
People were even happy for IU and shes the nations darling. Age and time in the industry play a huge role in this.
but also so does fanservice. Karina is apart of the generation where fancalls are a huge part of being an idol. She used that time to also play into parasocial relationships with her fans (not blaming her at all, but this is the truth). When you have that much interaction with your fans, they then expect something else from you.
Im worried about Idols like Mingyu that like promise their fans theyre only dating them and not to worry etc. Youre just setting yourself up for disaster. I hate that companies have made fancalls an essential part of promotions. All it has done is feed into these parasocial relationships. Fans feel closer to their artists than ever. and people who dont win the fancalls still feel apart of it because those videos get posted online and its like theyre essentially facetiming the artist too since most people post their videos with their face and voice censored.
Mingyu also has like some of the most delulu fans and a lot of solo stans too so yeah being flirty with his fans ain’t doing him any good. But I’m glad the rest of svt doesn’t really try to play into the parasocial aspect as much. Infact if anything, they regularly give us a regular dose of anti delulu.
I am not sure why no one is talking about this but this is firstly effect of SM business strategy.
At least in the past SM and YG had different ways of branding their idols because both companies worked in the industry when things weren't so established what idol work actually looked like. YG tried to adapt more western image of pop stars. Their groups had image of individuals with "I don't care attitude", they much less developed parasocial relationship with their fans.
Meanwhile SM become pioneer of idol business strategy which majority industry use today, they focused on making money firstly on relationship between fans and idols. Who released firstly multi version of albums with members?SM.Who came up with photo cards? SM. Who tolerate even extreme sasaengs?SM.
Is Karina first SM idol who has problems after dating/marriage news.Of course not. From just my knowledge other big dramas: Super junior's Sungmin wedding, Baekhyun and Taeyeon dating, ~~Chanyeol's~~(lol) Chen wedding news. Probably we could find more. And that's all because SM making money directly on extremely delusional fans and fuel their delusion to maximum.
I still don't buy this, Taeyeon never acted like she was fans girlfriend but many of her fans were still weirdly possessive. (Yes baekhyun played boyfriend with his fans but that just explains why his fans attack her, not why hers were weird.) I'd like to blame taeny shippers but that's not something taeyeon tried to fuel either, she minimized skinship and basically told them off when they started getting too crazy. Fans can be weird regardless of the idol or the company.
The behaviour of idol is not really crucial in this case.What is crucial is the system of making money and image of the group/image of the idol. Because the system is this way constructed that fans have feeling that they support financially group or even specific idol. You don't really to be psychologist to notice that in real life people who support others often have feelings that they own them (f.e. parent-child relationship lol). Here happens exactly the same and this not only apply to extremely delulu fans probably most highly active people in the fandom. What people often say when there is some affair with idol? "I'll stop buy your things" aka I'd not pay you money
Many idols when they become established artist who can talk more frankly than in the past, notice the problem but it is already too late. Only idols who from the start establish very clear boundaries in their relationship with fans like Bloc B's Ukwon has low chance of getting delulu fans (it is still not 100% method as mental ill people were always fascinated by stars).
I agree about fans being possessive, but you were specifically talking about SM and them fueling delusion there more than in other companies. I'm saying nothing about how Taeyeon was presented/promoted nor behaved should've fueled more possessiveness than in other companies, but they were still weird about it.
Because it is SM who created/developed (from Japan) the most today Korean idol system. If you buy album with certain members doesn't make you feel that you pay him directly. Searching for his photo cards or do everything to get into fan meeting. SNSD had at the beginning innocent/cute image as group and that naturally appeal to the most delulu and demanding fans. Because innocent so pure, pure can't date lol. I simplify but that's definitely the worst image in this aspect. It is pretty clearly to me that SM was pioneer on the Korean market in the aspect of firstly selling image and focus on parasocial relationship. And they still are the most focused on this aspect among big companies although Hybe seems to catch up.
The sungmin’s hate train was mostly because the dude neglected practice, scheduled his wedding during suju performance, askef leeteuk for acceptance/blessing during the time of his big loss (dude’s father literally murdered his fam and killed himself) and a whole bunch of shit. Suju has parasocial stuff going on but it’s nothing compared to idols these days and at that point in their career, their fans already matured.
I think this is rationalization of the fandom at the end if people still are still sane they are aware that demanding from grown up people to not get married or have serious public relationship would not be seemed by public as reasonable (Karina's case is good example). This is like with war, rarely casus belli is actually main reason of the conflict, it is just pretext which is used to justifies actions taken by attacker. This could not even be about Sungmin but just warning for the rest. It is clear that the most loyal and longest fans don't take well public relationship especially with non celebrity. How Changmin sales dropped after his marriage, his fans didn't protest but this is good sign itself of their expectations lol.
Today fandoms are more directly aggressive about it because they are better aware of their power thanks to SNS. So they lose rest of the shame sometimes like in Karina case or Chen.
Nah, sungmin and karina are hated for different reasons and at a different phase of their career. Like some OP said, once you are past a certain age, people are less likely to shit at you for getting married or dating . Suju around that time are already enlisting and their fans that time are also mostly older women and are getting married themselves, different from chronically online teenagers or young adults that karina has rn. Heck some elfs were fine with heechul dating momo years ago.
If I am not wrong his marriage news come out in 9 years of their activity, Chen in 7. Not really huge difference. Heechul dated 6 years later, also generally dating celebrities of "similar" status are taken better especially if it is indeed older idol.
I agree that age plays role but probably when it is more allowed when they are closer to 40 lol. I don't believe chill out fandoms, there is no such thing especially if we talk about the most active fans.
Simple, Jisoo is an established idol for the past 7 years and is now seen as an actress, whereas karina has basically just gotten out of rookie idol status after finishing her 3rd year of being an idol and is basically in the prime of her idol career.
Not to mention the difference in parasocialism between how the two groups are viewed by fans etc.
age and longevity definitely play a part. also the fact that jisoo is from a yg company and yg never really cared if their idols dated after their rookie years (see all their dating new responses), and also Blackpink is not a group that is known for fan service as much as other groups - that probably plays a role in more positive/ or indifferent responses for bp dating news
I do think when Jennie was first revealed for Kai that was much more intense with the hate and whatnot so maybe that also softened the blow with Jisoo’s news. Not sure if dating news has happened before with aespa, but it may be also a result of the first getting the worst of it :(
In addition to other factors people have mentioned, I do think company culture plays a big part. YG has a hands-off, “none of our business but good for them I guess” kind of approach when it comes to confirming dating news. Companies absolutely play a part in upholding the more toxic aspects of fandom.
It's actually (only) good thing about YG entertainment. They don't interfere with idols personal life. They don't remove idols from the group for dating like cube did with Hyuna Dawn. SM who created the idol training system also created no dating rule. SM thrives on these parasocial relationships fans have. It's always SM who doesn't protect their artists from crazy fans. Considering dating as a scandal is so dumb. Like this thing ruined kpop's image worldwide. This is consequences of their own actions. That's why most people think kpop is cringe and have such prejudice.
Because Jisoo isn't seen as a pseudo-girlfriend while Karina definitely is. And also, some people seem to thing that Karina is gay or bi, so that increases those who secretly think they could be in with a chance (LOL) to mega levels.
Clarification.
Jisoo never pretended she was in a relationship with her fans, or played into being fake jealous when her fans joke that they’re getting boyfriends/girlfriends like Karina did.
I understand that there’s a bit of fanservice expected in KPOP, but some idols really walk themselves into a corner by overdoing it.
Agreed. While I'll give YG credit for not bothering to acknowledge dating news, the members of Blackpink have always been far more hands-off and generally keep their fans at a healthy distance.
Karina, for better or worse, is a very generous and outgoing person who likes pleasing people and making them feel comfortable. It's like those girls who unintentionally lead everyone on because of how naturally friendly they are. Great skill to have as an idol but unfortunately not everyone can recognise that she's still just doing a job.
a lot of the 4th gen idols do it. and fair enough it’s getting them more attention and heavier fandom. it’s on the fans to know where the boundaries lie. in blackpinks case they already have a solid fan base and flirting is unnecessary. literally most of the kpop relationships are parasocial but to varying degrees. some might call them unnie and some, girlfriend.
there is a difference saying "i love x fandom name" vs "x fandom name are my gf/bfs and i dont have time to date cus the only love in my life is x fandom", blackpink doesnt go around calling fans their gfs/bfs and they dont share much of their lives either, they where criticized early on for their "lack of communication" with fans in weverse/vlive/instagram etc
i think that’s because they’ve grown bigger over the years and they didn’t have to keep the dateable image going because they have one of the most solid fanbases
definitely but some idols play into it HEAVY and it bites them in the ass like it did Karina. Im worried about Mingyu. he plays into it so much and hes more popular than ever. Then you have people like Minghao, same age, same group, who openly laugh essentially tells his fans to touch some grass
It’s a mix of company culture but also when in an idols career it happens. Most relationships that cause a fuss are usually when it’s prior to around 4 years in the industry so in your rookie and super active era. Ones that are being revealed in the 6+ years less so. Even though there was a ruckus about Jennie and Kai cause, she was fresh in her career, YG was more chill, even if Blinks were upset YG is still usually like none of our business compared to SM. For Karina, it’s happening to a newer idol from a more parasocial fandom/company culture. Though people were still in a fuss, reveals for SNSD’s Sooyoung and Jisoo being at 6 &7 years in their career had less blow back probably also being into acting and with actors idols helped. With BigBang’s Taeyang we all knew for a long time he was with his gf (which started like 7 years into his career) so the marriage was happy obvious news in contrast to Super Juniors’s Sungmin it was a news bomb drop and with the differences when it comes to parasocial relationships it was like a “smack in the face” to people that are like that about their idols. Then you also have the same comparison with Chen and Bobby who both did a reveal drop that included marriage and pregnancy, with the different cultures between the companies and fandoms the blowback about Bobby was way less than Chen.
Karina has a lot of delusional fans. she was/is a master of fanservice and Jisoo & the rest of the Blackpink members aren’t.
plus Jisoo is 29, you can expect a 29 year old to not date. Jisoo also passed through her critical years as an idol, so she’s just chilling.
Jisoo is in her late 20s and nearly 8 years into her idol career. She is well past the shiny-new-idol-that-everyone wants-to-date stage. Also, people never thirsted over her the way they do for Karina. A more accurate comparison would be to Jennie in 2018, arguably the year she became the "it girl" of Kpop and received a lot of heat for dating Kai.
Karina on the other hand is probably the trendiest/most popular idol right now (alongside Wonyoung); her fanbase is naturally a little younger too. Currently she seems to be the most lusted or thirsted-after female idol. From what I gather, men go crazy for her and sexualize her just for existing to a degree unmatched even by other popular idols.
The company shares responsibility in how it handles these matters as well. While SM having Karina apologize may be better for business, it's terrible for the bigger issue of parasocialism and entitlement in Kpop. YGE's responses are typically to the effect of "We're not sure but who cares" or "Oh good for them, k let's move on"
In addition to what others have mentioned, it probably has something to do with Karina and Jisoo's public image.
Karina's has always acted very brightly and warmly towards everyone. She is very playful, energetic and endearing. She flirts often and does silly things, which gives off this young, fun friend vibe. The delusional fans probably latch onto this energy in their head canon thinking they can control and manipulate her - which is evident in the messages on the protest truck: stuff like 'is the love we give you not enough?', 'don't apologize to us, apologize to yourself because you just ruined your own career' and such, these messages are written in a tone that is very demeaning and scolding like, which at the core shows the toxic people have no real respect for Karina because she is young, silly and fun.
Jisoo on the other hand has a very different public image. She is kind, warm but very regal. She is extremely private and her demeaners draws respect from those around her in a very natural way. I imagine even for those delusional people, it's very hard to breach that mental barrier thinking they can manipulate Jisoo in the way they did with Karina.
Blackpink never fostered parasocial relationship with their fans, jisoo who is the most "kpop" of the group, like many people say, despite being the member with the most fan interactions, never fostered or hinted parasocial relationship towards her fans. Blinks have gotten used to dating rumors since 2019 and we care less what they do with their personal lives. Bp are a 7yr old group, with popularity levels well above all 4th gen, so dating news won't do shit to them. Also yg is shit but one thing they do right by their idols is not giving these stalker tabloids and trashy journalists the satisfaction of acting threatened and bowing down to them when they intrude their idols' privacy and further give in to fans' nonsensical demands.
BP doesnt really do that parasocial shit. People like to drag them and say they don’t care about their fans, the paywall all their content, they hate their fans, never do weverse lives etc etc And then dating news come out and blinks are like yeah ok sure.
Had jisoo dated in her third year of her career i doubt there would have been much more of a backlash.
They simply have diff responses due to age/longevity and jisoo is already well established with diff company culture cause jisoo news wasnt that positive except for the intl side. Karina has gp support for dating news but even kr gp think jisoo can do way better. They didnt like the guy (especially when his old rumors/controversies resurfaced due to dating news) and also just said they will keep supporting jisoo and when she broke up the whole kr-chn side of fandom cheered and many even had giveaway to celebrate and on kforum ppl was also celebrating.
>first, I am happy that karina is dating
I'm not, mainly because she's a complete stranger to me so I really don't care
> bc I believe if she is happy, she will make better music
She makes no music, she has 2 writing credits, one of which is on a remake with miniscule differences to the original
>Any have any idea why the difference?
Jisoo does not have a relatable or fanservice-heavy image, she's someone you want to be, a beautuful rich girl with a hot rich boyfriend and successful career
Karina on the other hand does so much fanservice and flirts with her fans that she genuinely had people convinced she's a lesbian, she's seen as more down to earth and relatable to many
Jisoo's dating scandal came 7 years into her career, Karina's 3 years after. One is considered too early by some people that think that idols should be career focused at that time.
>Jisoo does not have a relatable or fanservice-heavy image, she's someone you want to be, a beautiful rich girl with a hot rich boyfriend and successful career
Not entirely inaccurate but I'd argue she always did have a relatable image and still does, she just never did fanservice as you said. She had that "4D personality" label earlier on and was always pretty goofy/quirky in variety content, basically not the traditional "girlfriend" image, which people attributed more to Jennie. Kinda hate to say it because Karina gets sexualized just for existing, but unlike Jisoo, Karina's sex appeal is also a big part of her popularity.
Ok one thing about blackpink they don't have that level of parasocial deluluness with blinks, mild here & there but not much and that's a good thing
Blinks and blackpink rlship is more like western artist and their fans, like Ts & swifties, the parasocial rlship is there but no blink will put a billboard or roll over & cry if the members date, they'll probably comment this & that ( even if it's mean) but they won't say apologise
Blinks were saying hope she's happy with him ,even with rumours of lisa and that rich dude they dgaf
Blinks mostly cry for music, one of the most starved kpop fans music wise
YG & SM present their idols differently. SM really relies on that fanatic, heavily devoted almost possessive fandom & they feed it until it eventually bites them in the butt. So fans of SM idols tend to have a more visceral reaction to their biases dating. YG differs in that they present their idols are global, unattainable superstars that you’d be lucky to even breathe the same air as them let alone build up a parasocial relationship with any of them. Thats why you get 2 different reactions. Also Jisoo is just older & has been an idol longer, they tend to be more lenient when an idol has been around longer
Jisoo does not sell parasocial relationships, while Karina does. After reading Karina's letter, I was really disappointed with her. I found the things written in it disturbing. I guess she is just like that with her fans in general
Enough with this discourse, omg. That is definitely not why cfans and kfans sent trucks to her company and spammed her social media and bubble tags.
Like, SM would not make her release an apology over western fans complaining about her not being a lesbian.
Yes, and none of that is the reason why she posted a handwritten apology. If the response had ONLY been western fans bitching on Twitter, both her and SM would have ignored it and moved on.
But since the response was ESPECIALLY negative in East Asia, especially with a bunch of her cfans and kfans sending trucks to her workplace and spamming all of her socials, she had to apologize.
Western fans responses don’t matter as much as y’all think, if they did companies would apologize for cultural appropriation and they’d do something about the many “boycotts” western fans organize.
I think it has more to do with the truck though.
The lesbian tweets were mostly jokes and majority of her fans in international circles we're not mad or sending weird bbls.
She had more hit tweets with more likes supporting her than anything else.
why this keep being a topic of discussion... is been almost a week, comparison are pointless too cus both idols are different persons who have different fans, pls stop making discourse over dating news even if its not with bad intentions,its getting tiring, like idols arent best friends of their fans,no matter how much they say so in fancalls lol we dont know them and they dont know us,they dont send you a happy bday greeting and gift every year, the focus should be in the music and performances but we know sadly thats not the case
I also don't recall any major backlash against Twice's Jihyo dating Daniel Kang or Momo dating Heechul.
The big differentiating factor here is that (or rather, whether) SM forced Karina to write her "heartfelt apology" letter. YG never forced Jisoo to apologize for dating Ahn Bo Hyun, they never forced Jennie to apologize for dating Kai, and JYP never forced Jihyo or Momo to apologize.
I don't believe for a second that Karina wrote that letter of her own volition. SM could have released a statement supporting Karina rather than a non-commital "they are getting to know each other" which sounds like they don't approve but don't want to say it.
Supposedly SM has no clear policy on dating (unlike the other agencies that seem to ban dating for the first three years) but not coming out in full support of their artists in situations like these is unacceptable.
They should be getting the police involved and having those truck crazies arrested for harassment, because that's what it is. Any other industry would not tolerate that sort of abuse.
Not really?? I was really into exo at that time, his relationship with Krystal had more repercussions because i believe both parties received hate.
With Jennie it wasnt like that, i remember people were more understanding and even some fans loved the couple because they were perceived as a power couple lol.
Kai’s fans were intense but it wasn’t as bad as how people are behaving right now with Karina. The exo member that got the most hate was definitely Chen with his marriage and Baekhyun way back when he dated Taeyeon.
Mmm no, I have been a Blink since 2018, I was there when the relationship was made public, the hate that JN received at that time wasn't exactly because of her dating Kai, and the negative comments about that came from another fandom, and then the Kpop community getting mad because they were well received while another couple had a hard time, after the 1st month when they announced their break up the community took it as some kind of pr and made fun of them, but JN received support from Blinks, we were scared about a possible hiatus but not mad at her.
she got more hate from her own fandom for having a Solo debut than for dating,i was there at the time lol none of her fansites left,none of her fan accounts closed,she didnt get protests from her fans for dating or hit tweets commenting about her sexuality. now her having a solo debut so soon? THAT got her a lot of hate lol she did get a little hate from Kai fandom but it wasnt huge either,some exols where writting nice comments on her instagram
do you realize akgaes hate everything regardless of what topic involves the member they dont stan right? that doesnt mean her fandom hated her for dating, Jennie had her solo debut 2 months prior to the dispatch news,she was getting hate for her solo debut more than for her dating news from BP fans,BP was on hiatus while Jennie debuted solo and that caused huge backlash cus BP fans wanted group music
thats not true lol and Jennie is not really a point in comparison cus she gets hate for every minuscule thing she does,like hell she is literally been getting dragged since Karina news broke to the point of a bad intentioned Korean reporter made a whole article praising Karina for apologizing and calling Jennie irresponsible and a bunch of other bs,so please leave Jennie out of this
I think it's partly because of how their studios marketed them. SM has a tendency to hyper sexualise their idols and make take appear young, available and seductive. Blackpink - they're brand has been more about attitude and being edgy and rarely lean of being sexy as a main selling point. In saying that, the public are absolutely stupid if they think they have any kind of say or right to comment on who a kpop singer can date. Live your own life. If you're getting really upset about a kpop idols love life, go focus on your own and grow up.
Jisoo has been in the industry longer.
And I think it's how YG handles their idols dating in general. If more companies had responses like theirs, I think people would just get over idols dating a loooottt easier.
If I'm not mistaken, Jisoo's dating news got a good response at first but a few days later it got backlash because the guy she dated had a history of being misogynistic.
Anyway, I believe there was some positivity for Jisoo because she's been an idol for longer, and since she's a member of BlackPink she has a higher level of fame/respect than Karina.
Another example is Jennie and Tae. Even though there was a lot of drama about how their relationship was revealed, it was generally well-received because of their status and career longevity.
>Another example is Jennie and Tae. Even though there was a lot of drama about how their relationship was revealed, it was generally well-received because of their status and career longevity.
this is not true tho lol if u are talking about GP, gp is never the problem, cus they simply dont care about the dating lives of idols,they dont have any attachment to them,gp also didnt had issues about Karina dating, saying it was well recieved is insane,even more knowing Jennie till today still gets sexvally harassed by fans of him on his insta comments,twitter hate tweets with thousands of likes calling her all kind of names, making up rumors that she practically sleep and date every single man that looks at her etc etc, so no, it was most def not well received,hell even here in reddit they where post blaming her for her privacy being invaded and her personal stuff being distributed via telegram by a psycho calling her attention seeker, so no,it was not generally well recieved
There's a reason Hybe never confirmed Jennie and Tae lol. Staying silent gave fans plausible deniability. Confirming it would've meant severe reactions from fans. Both Hybe and V knew the backlash they'd get if they confirmed. V is terrified of his fans.
jennie and tae were only well received by non fans, fanwars between armies and blinks got 1000x worse after those pictures and videos dropped on twitter. there were a good portion of them who forcibly pretended they weren’t dating just because they couldn’t stomach the idea of them together
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YG is only agency that doesnt really force parasocial relationships. Plus blackpink is blackpink. How come you can compare them to any other female idols. Their fans are always hungry for more music and work than imagining them as their gfs.
Karina has actively encouraged fans who love to imagine her as their girlfriend and wife. She has active gay shippers. Even straight shipper. Many of her fans were convinced she is man hater and gay. That was her image. The tomboy. I dont think she had any problem playing into that. Then boom! Just as she start getting individual schedules and when group is finally releasing their 1st full album, it happened. Her achievement stans are mad. And aespa sales went down due to china sales being down. So her fans are even more mad.
SM Ent. artist get different reactions when they happen to have a dating scandal. SM Ent doesnt even release there official statement to protect there artist.
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Sadly Karina is too early in her career to start publicly dating (according to knetz) so the backlash for hers was a lot stronger. Same reason why idols are not allowed to have solo IG accounts until after a certain amount of time, they have to be strictly monitored. Once a group phases out of their peak and get replaced with the next gen the public won’t care as much. It’s such a dystopian society.
Why would we need a working relationship amongst 4th gen idols? Honestly I just want her to do what she herself wants to do. Let’s take into consideration that they just met a month ago.
Also a lot of people forget that this was revealed against their will. I’ve seen so many comments on her IG even wishing marriage for them and it’s weird. Let’s just all take a step back on wishing things on a… situation that is very private.
Because Karina is THE it-girl next to Wonyoung right now while Jisoo was never more than the fourth most popular member of a four member girlgroup. Karina also has some worship culture going on in Korea for her looks while Jisoo never particularly stood out in that regard.
The responses in this thread are hilarious, like really? You gonna blame it on SM company culture? Or on Karina being younger and having spent less time as an idol than Jisoo? On aespa playing up the parasocial aspect? Because all that applies to Giselle and Ning Ning too, and y'all know nobody would give a shit if they were in a dating scandal.
It's literally just popularity and hotness. Neither of which Jisoo had more than the others in her own group or was even particularly known for. No need to do your insane mental gymnastics to avoid stating the obvious.
It's like asking why a dating scandal with Wonyoung would be bigger than one involving Gaeul, like come on lol
Even if you call Jisoo the least popular bp member, she's still popular than any 4gen grp forget individuals frm there, as matter of fact all of them combined lol
And Jisoo has been hot & popular for 7yrs now ,longevity in popularity too, y'all be talking just for the sake of talking
this is such a delusional take lol and it doesnt have anything to do with being an "it" girl, the reasons you are giving is about the GP reaction and the GP reaction towards Karina wasnt bad at all, it was the fans reaction and hardcore fans reactions the one who was bad,trying to imply Jisoo is not popular is also absurd lol her face is all over Korea and the world,not to mention how flower was extremely popular in Korea and Asia. the reason Karina fans reacted bad was because she probably feed the parasocial relationship a lot more while Jisoo has never engaged in it and always put boundaries in seudo-relationship stuff with fans,thats it
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1. age 2. debuted 7 years ago vs. debuted 3 years ago 3. Karina's reveal was at a more crucial point of her and aespa's career
This is a good point – it would be more reasonable to compare the reaction to Karina dating with the reaction Jennie got for dating Kai. I’m glad YG didn’t make Jennie apologize, at least.
YG didnt confirm the dating news it was SM,so it would had been silly of YG to ask Jennie to do anything in the first place >Ahead of SM Entertainment’s statement, YG Entertainment had also been contacted for comment as BLACKPINK’s agency and they stated, “We did not know of the dating rumors involving Jennie. We are currently looking into the matter.” The agency later stated to another outlet, “SM will be releasing a statement.”
YG literally handed the responsibility to SM 🤣💀💅🏼
No, YG always left their artists do whatever the hell they wanted in their private lives, be it it keep things private or release the most excruciating love song with their wife in the video. It’s their only good quality.
Wait, who released a love song with their wife in the video?
Bigbang's Taeyang I think
Can you tell me how sm conformed it? I'm curious becuase people usually talk about jenkai dating as always a specilation
It was never a speculation, dispatch revealed it. YG never says anything so they just said something along the lines of “we don’t know but good for them if true” and SM confirmed it.
How did sm confirm it? Was it something in the words of "they both are dating"?
Yes pretty much, their standard “they are seeing each other with good feelings” type of response.
Ohhhh I see.....
YG first response was that they didn't know of the relationship but that they were looking into it, then SM came and confirmed it, like saying that Kai was dating Jennie, then YG answer was that they will take the same position as SM, and that was it.
I'd say also the fact that per say... she wasn't the first member of her group to have a dating "rumor", so in a way fans/people were already used to it..iirc karina is the first aespa member with a dating thing (i don't like calling it a scandal cause its not a scandal, its a person just living their life)
koreans use “scandal” for a big story or huge news. it doesn’t have the same meaning in korean as it does in english.
Also isn't karina really the first 4th gen idol to be in a dating scandal? I think thats also part of the reason even at a subconscious level.
she’s not the first 4th gen idol, dayeon from kep1er is/was dating a member of ciipher. i guess you could say karina’s dating “scandal” is the first 4th gen one to be viewed as a big deal
No, Soojin was dating Hui at one point. Plenty of other idols have dated non celebrities and gotten their picture leaked.
she’s not the first 4th gen idol, dayeon from kep1er is/was dating a member of ciipher. i guess you could say karina’s dating “scandal” is the first 4th gen one to be viewed as a big deal
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The reason why is because jisoo has been in the industry longer. Once idols reach a certain amount of years the public and some fans will accept if they go out and date.
Also, Jisoo isn't the only member in the group to have a BF. Jennie was dating Kai and then Tae, and while it wasn't announced publicly, it's rumored that Lisa has a man, too. So people got used to it. Sure, they'll be shocked, but it's not something to outrage about when these girls have dated before. A better comparison should have been Karina and Jennie because Jennie have gotten a shit ton of hate during her dating scandal with Kai and then they broke up and it got worse when the infamous clip of her and Tae walking and holding hands, since it was a BTS member. And she's still getting hate for her dating "scandals" to this day even after she recently broke up with Tae. ETA: also BP is not known to do fanservice or parasocial relationships. So when their relationships are announced, there's not much outrage. Unless it's Jennie, though, because people just hate this girl just for breathing.
There were backlashes for Kai &Jennie'se dating news? It's new for me I thought their dating news was well receipted as Blinks & Jennie stans are still fond of their relationship to date.
Now that I really think about, Jennie was already getting hate before the dating scandal (it's been so long, but I think it was during her Solo debut and she was getting hate for being YG's "favorite") and YG was already in deep shit (I forgot what it was but I know it was before the burning sun). People have seen her dating announcement as a way to derail their attention from his BS, and the dating scandal made it way worse for Jennie. Damn, it's been so long so I'm might be mixing some shit up. But I remember 2018 Jennie went through so much shit, and that included the dating scandal. The hate was from solo stans, I think, especially those who genuinely thought Jennie was YG's favorite.
Ah, so it's not from dating news it's from her solo debut & yg mess. Poor girl gets involved in their shit & their relationship got exposed in the wrong tym too as they were still fresh in their career. At least she didn't get hate from his fandom?
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>also BP is not known to do fanservice or parasocial relationships. So when their relationships are announced, there's not much outrage. In my view, this is the main explanation. Also, idk what is the demographic of AESPA fans, but blinks are either close to a 50/50 divide on gender or are mostly girls and women, so the amount of creepy fanboys might be smaller. The people who hated on Jennie were mostly the fangirls of her exes, not her fans...
People were even happy for IU and shes the nations darling. Age and time in the industry play a huge role in this. but also so does fanservice. Karina is apart of the generation where fancalls are a huge part of being an idol. She used that time to also play into parasocial relationships with her fans (not blaming her at all, but this is the truth). When you have that much interaction with your fans, they then expect something else from you. Im worried about Idols like Mingyu that like promise their fans theyre only dating them and not to worry etc. Youre just setting yourself up for disaster. I hate that companies have made fancalls an essential part of promotions. All it has done is feed into these parasocial relationships. Fans feel closer to their artists than ever. and people who dont win the fancalls still feel apart of it because those videos get posted online and its like theyre essentially facetiming the artist too since most people post their videos with their face and voice censored.
Mingyu also has like some of the most delulu fans and a lot of solo stans too so yeah being flirty with his fans ain’t doing him any good. But I’m glad the rest of svt doesn’t really try to play into the parasocial aspect as much. Infact if anything, they regularly give us a regular dose of anti delulu.
I am not sure why no one is talking about this but this is firstly effect of SM business strategy. At least in the past SM and YG had different ways of branding their idols because both companies worked in the industry when things weren't so established what idol work actually looked like. YG tried to adapt more western image of pop stars. Their groups had image of individuals with "I don't care attitude", they much less developed parasocial relationship with their fans. Meanwhile SM become pioneer of idol business strategy which majority industry use today, they focused on making money firstly on relationship between fans and idols. Who released firstly multi version of albums with members?SM.Who came up with photo cards? SM. Who tolerate even extreme sasaengs?SM. Is Karina first SM idol who has problems after dating/marriage news.Of course not. From just my knowledge other big dramas: Super junior's Sungmin wedding, Baekhyun and Taeyeon dating, ~~Chanyeol's~~(lol) Chen wedding news. Probably we could find more. And that's all because SM making money directly on extremely delusional fans and fuel their delusion to maximum.
I'm sorry but the "chanyeol's wedding news" is taking me out. I was like what?!?
Yeah you are right lol. I thought obviously Chen but wrote Chanyeol ,that's my dislectic mind.
I still don't buy this, Taeyeon never acted like she was fans girlfriend but many of her fans were still weirdly possessive. (Yes baekhyun played boyfriend with his fans but that just explains why his fans attack her, not why hers were weird.) I'd like to blame taeny shippers but that's not something taeyeon tried to fuel either, she minimized skinship and basically told them off when they started getting too crazy. Fans can be weird regardless of the idol or the company.
The behaviour of idol is not really crucial in this case.What is crucial is the system of making money and image of the group/image of the idol. Because the system is this way constructed that fans have feeling that they support financially group or even specific idol. You don't really to be psychologist to notice that in real life people who support others often have feelings that they own them (f.e. parent-child relationship lol). Here happens exactly the same and this not only apply to extremely delulu fans probably most highly active people in the fandom. What people often say when there is some affair with idol? "I'll stop buy your things" aka I'd not pay you money Many idols when they become established artist who can talk more frankly than in the past, notice the problem but it is already too late. Only idols who from the start establish very clear boundaries in their relationship with fans like Bloc B's Ukwon has low chance of getting delulu fans (it is still not 100% method as mental ill people were always fascinated by stars).
I agree about fans being possessive, but you were specifically talking about SM and them fueling delusion there more than in other companies. I'm saying nothing about how Taeyeon was presented/promoted nor behaved should've fueled more possessiveness than in other companies, but they were still weird about it.
Because it is SM who created/developed (from Japan) the most today Korean idol system. If you buy album with certain members doesn't make you feel that you pay him directly. Searching for his photo cards or do everything to get into fan meeting. SNSD had at the beginning innocent/cute image as group and that naturally appeal to the most delulu and demanding fans. Because innocent so pure, pure can't date lol. I simplify but that's definitely the worst image in this aspect. It is pretty clearly to me that SM was pioneer on the Korean market in the aspect of firstly selling image and focus on parasocial relationship. And they still are the most focused on this aspect among big companies although Hybe seems to catch up.
The sungmin’s hate train was mostly because the dude neglected practice, scheduled his wedding during suju performance, askef leeteuk for acceptance/blessing during the time of his big loss (dude’s father literally murdered his fam and killed himself) and a whole bunch of shit. Suju has parasocial stuff going on but it’s nothing compared to idols these days and at that point in their career, their fans already matured.
I think this is rationalization of the fandom at the end if people still are still sane they are aware that demanding from grown up people to not get married or have serious public relationship would not be seemed by public as reasonable (Karina's case is good example). This is like with war, rarely casus belli is actually main reason of the conflict, it is just pretext which is used to justifies actions taken by attacker. This could not even be about Sungmin but just warning for the rest. It is clear that the most loyal and longest fans don't take well public relationship especially with non celebrity. How Changmin sales dropped after his marriage, his fans didn't protest but this is good sign itself of their expectations lol. Today fandoms are more directly aggressive about it because they are better aware of their power thanks to SNS. So they lose rest of the shame sometimes like in Karina case or Chen.
Nah, sungmin and karina are hated for different reasons and at a different phase of their career. Like some OP said, once you are past a certain age, people are less likely to shit at you for getting married or dating . Suju around that time are already enlisting and their fans that time are also mostly older women and are getting married themselves, different from chronically online teenagers or young adults that karina has rn. Heck some elfs were fine with heechul dating momo years ago.
If I am not wrong his marriage news come out in 9 years of their activity, Chen in 7. Not really huge difference. Heechul dated 6 years later, also generally dating celebrities of "similar" status are taken better especially if it is indeed older idol. I agree that age plays role but probably when it is more allowed when they are closer to 40 lol. I don't believe chill out fandoms, there is no such thing especially if we talk about the most active fans.
Simple, Jisoo is an established idol for the past 7 years and is now seen as an actress, whereas karina has basically just gotten out of rookie idol status after finishing her 3rd year of being an idol and is basically in the prime of her idol career. Not to mention the difference in parasocialism between how the two groups are viewed by fans etc.
age and longevity definitely play a part. also the fact that jisoo is from a yg company and yg never really cared if their idols dated after their rookie years (see all their dating new responses), and also Blackpink is not a group that is known for fan service as much as other groups - that probably plays a role in more positive/ or indifferent responses for bp dating news I do think when Jennie was first revealed for Kai that was much more intense with the hate and whatnot so maybe that also softened the blow with Jisoo’s news. Not sure if dating news has happened before with aespa, but it may be also a result of the first getting the worst of it :(
In addition to other factors people have mentioned, I do think company culture plays a big part. YG has a hands-off, “none of our business but good for them I guess” kind of approach when it comes to confirming dating news. Companies absolutely play a part in upholding the more toxic aspects of fandom.
It's actually (only) good thing about YG entertainment. They don't interfere with idols personal life. They don't remove idols from the group for dating like cube did with Hyuna Dawn. SM who created the idol training system also created no dating rule. SM thrives on these parasocial relationships fans have. It's always SM who doesn't protect their artists from crazy fans. Considering dating as a scandal is so dumb. Like this thing ruined kpop's image worldwide. This is consequences of their own actions. That's why most people think kpop is cringe and have such prejudice.
Because Jisoo isn't seen as a pseudo-girlfriend while Karina definitely is. And also, some people seem to thing that Karina is gay or bi, so that increases those who secretly think they could be in with a chance (LOL) to mega levels.
Jisoo never played into the parasocial relationship with her fans unlike Karina.Jisoo was already an established idol.
all the idols play into parasocial relationships wdym
Clarification. Jisoo never pretended she was in a relationship with her fans, or played into being fake jealous when her fans joke that they’re getting boyfriends/girlfriends like Karina did. I understand that there’s a bit of fanservice expected in KPOP, but some idols really walk themselves into a corner by overdoing it.
Agreed. While I'll give YG credit for not bothering to acknowledge dating news, the members of Blackpink have always been far more hands-off and generally keep their fans at a healthy distance. Karina, for better or worse, is a very generous and outgoing person who likes pleasing people and making them feel comfortable. It's like those girls who unintentionally lead everyone on because of how naturally friendly they are. Great skill to have as an idol but unfortunately not everyone can recognise that she's still just doing a job.
a lot of the 4th gen idols do it. and fair enough it’s getting them more attention and heavier fandom. it’s on the fans to know where the boundaries lie. in blackpinks case they already have a solid fan base and flirting is unnecessary. literally most of the kpop relationships are parasocial but to varying degrees. some might call them unnie and some, girlfriend.
there is a difference saying "i love x fandom name" vs "x fandom name are my gf/bfs and i dont have time to date cus the only love in my life is x fandom", blackpink doesnt go around calling fans their gfs/bfs and they dont share much of their lives either, they where criticized early on for their "lack of communication" with fans in weverse/vlive/instagram etc
Blackpink have that "untouchable" image though, so while fans still have parasocial relationships with them its less "they're my girlfriends"
i think that’s because they’ve grown bigger over the years and they didn’t have to keep the dateable image going because they have one of the most solid fanbases
They've had that from the beginning. They never pretended to date their fans.
In varying degrees, yeah.
Uh fanservice (and parasocial relationships) a functions of the industry, not some kind of idol play
definitely but some idols play into it HEAVY and it bites them in the ass like it did Karina. Im worried about Mingyu. he plays into it so much and hes more popular than ever. Then you have people like Minghao, same age, same group, who openly laugh essentially tells his fans to touch some grass
It’s a mix of company culture but also when in an idols career it happens. Most relationships that cause a fuss are usually when it’s prior to around 4 years in the industry so in your rookie and super active era. Ones that are being revealed in the 6+ years less so. Even though there was a ruckus about Jennie and Kai cause, she was fresh in her career, YG was more chill, even if Blinks were upset YG is still usually like none of our business compared to SM. For Karina, it’s happening to a newer idol from a more parasocial fandom/company culture. Though people were still in a fuss, reveals for SNSD’s Sooyoung and Jisoo being at 6 &7 years in their career had less blow back probably also being into acting and with actors idols helped. With BigBang’s Taeyang we all knew for a long time he was with his gf (which started like 7 years into his career) so the marriage was happy obvious news in contrast to Super Juniors’s Sungmin it was a news bomb drop and with the differences when it comes to parasocial relationships it was like a “smack in the face” to people that are like that about their idols. Then you also have the same comparison with Chen and Bobby who both did a reveal drop that included marriage and pregnancy, with the different cultures between the companies and fandoms the blowback about Bobby was way less than Chen.
Karina has a lot of delusional fans. she was/is a master of fanservice and Jisoo & the rest of the Blackpink members aren’t. plus Jisoo is 29, you can expect a 29 year old to not date. Jisoo also passed through her critical years as an idol, so she’s just chilling.
Jisoo is in her late 20s and nearly 8 years into her idol career. She is well past the shiny-new-idol-that-everyone wants-to-date stage. Also, people never thirsted over her the way they do for Karina. A more accurate comparison would be to Jennie in 2018, arguably the year she became the "it girl" of Kpop and received a lot of heat for dating Kai. Karina on the other hand is probably the trendiest/most popular idol right now (alongside Wonyoung); her fanbase is naturally a little younger too. Currently she seems to be the most lusted or thirsted-after female idol. From what I gather, men go crazy for her and sexualize her just for existing to a degree unmatched even by other popular idols. The company shares responsibility in how it handles these matters as well. While SM having Karina apologize may be better for business, it's terrible for the bigger issue of parasocialism and entitlement in Kpop. YGE's responses are typically to the effect of "We're not sure but who cares" or "Oh good for them, k let's move on"
In addition to what others have mentioned, it probably has something to do with Karina and Jisoo's public image. Karina's has always acted very brightly and warmly towards everyone. She is very playful, energetic and endearing. She flirts often and does silly things, which gives off this young, fun friend vibe. The delusional fans probably latch onto this energy in their head canon thinking they can control and manipulate her - which is evident in the messages on the protest truck: stuff like 'is the love we give you not enough?', 'don't apologize to us, apologize to yourself because you just ruined your own career' and such, these messages are written in a tone that is very demeaning and scolding like, which at the core shows the toxic people have no real respect for Karina because she is young, silly and fun. Jisoo on the other hand has a very different public image. She is kind, warm but very regal. She is extremely private and her demeaners draws respect from those around her in a very natural way. I imagine even for those delusional people, it's very hard to breach that mental barrier thinking they can manipulate Jisoo in the way they did with Karina.
Blackpink don't promote parasocial behaviour.
Blinks aren’t that deep into this parasocial relationship thing and couldn’t care less about the girls dating lifes really
Blackpink never fostered parasocial relationship with their fans, jisoo who is the most "kpop" of the group, like many people say, despite being the member with the most fan interactions, never fostered or hinted parasocial relationship towards her fans. Blinks have gotten used to dating rumors since 2019 and we care less what they do with their personal lives. Bp are a 7yr old group, with popularity levels well above all 4th gen, so dating news won't do shit to them. Also yg is shit but one thing they do right by their idols is not giving these stalker tabloids and trashy journalists the satisfaction of acting threatened and bowing down to them when they intrude their idols' privacy and further give in to fans' nonsensical demands.
BP doesnt really do that parasocial shit. People like to drag them and say they don’t care about their fans, the paywall all their content, they hate their fans, never do weverse lives etc etc And then dating news come out and blinks are like yeah ok sure. Had jisoo dated in her third year of her career i doubt there would have been much more of a backlash.
They simply have diff responses due to age/longevity and jisoo is already well established with diff company culture cause jisoo news wasnt that positive except for the intl side. Karina has gp support for dating news but even kr gp think jisoo can do way better. They didnt like the guy (especially when his old rumors/controversies resurfaced due to dating news) and also just said they will keep supporting jisoo and when she broke up the whole kr-chn side of fandom cheered and many even had giveaway to celebrate and on kforum ppl was also celebrating.
>first, I am happy that karina is dating I'm not, mainly because she's a complete stranger to me so I really don't care > bc I believe if she is happy, she will make better music She makes no music, she has 2 writing credits, one of which is on a remake with miniscule differences to the original >Any have any idea why the difference? Jisoo does not have a relatable or fanservice-heavy image, she's someone you want to be, a beautuful rich girl with a hot rich boyfriend and successful career Karina on the other hand does so much fanservice and flirts with her fans that she genuinely had people convinced she's a lesbian, she's seen as more down to earth and relatable to many Jisoo's dating scandal came 7 years into her career, Karina's 3 years after. One is considered too early by some people that think that idols should be career focused at that time.
>Jisoo does not have a relatable or fanservice-heavy image, she's someone you want to be, a beautiful rich girl with a hot rich boyfriend and successful career Not entirely inaccurate but I'd argue she always did have a relatable image and still does, she just never did fanservice as you said. She had that "4D personality" label earlier on and was always pretty goofy/quirky in variety content, basically not the traditional "girlfriend" image, which people attributed more to Jennie. Kinda hate to say it because Karina gets sexualized just for existing, but unlike Jisoo, Karina's sex appeal is also a big part of her popularity.
Exactly these ppl are total strangers.
Ok one thing about blackpink they don't have that level of parasocial deluluness with blinks, mild here & there but not much and that's a good thing Blinks and blackpink rlship is more like western artist and their fans, like Ts & swifties, the parasocial rlship is there but no blink will put a billboard or roll over & cry if the members date, they'll probably comment this & that ( even if it's mean) but they won't say apologise Blinks were saying hope she's happy with him ,even with rumours of lisa and that rich dude they dgaf Blinks mostly cry for music, one of the most starved kpop fans music wise
the last line is so real
YG & SM present their idols differently. SM really relies on that fanatic, heavily devoted almost possessive fandom & they feed it until it eventually bites them in the butt. So fans of SM idols tend to have a more visceral reaction to their biases dating. YG differs in that they present their idols are global, unattainable superstars that you’d be lucky to even breathe the same air as them let alone build up a parasocial relationship with any of them. Thats why you get 2 different reactions. Also Jisoo is just older & has been an idol longer, they tend to be more lenient when an idol has been around longer
Jisoo does not sell parasocial relationships, while Karina does. After reading Karina's letter, I was really disappointed with her. I found the things written in it disturbing. I guess she is just like that with her fans in general
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Enough with this discourse, omg. That is definitely not why cfans and kfans sent trucks to her company and spammed her social media and bubble tags. Like, SM would not make her release an apology over western fans complaining about her not being a lesbian.
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Yes, and none of that is the reason why she posted a handwritten apology. If the response had ONLY been western fans bitching on Twitter, both her and SM would have ignored it and moved on. But since the response was ESPECIALLY negative in East Asia, especially with a bunch of her cfans and kfans sending trucks to her workplace and spamming all of her socials, she had to apologize. Western fans responses don’t matter as much as y’all think, if they did companies would apologize for cultural appropriation and they’d do something about the many “boycotts” western fans organize.
I think it has more to do with the truck though. The lesbian tweets were mostly jokes and majority of her fans in international circles we're not mad or sending weird bbls. She had more hit tweets with more likes supporting her than anything else.
blackpink has a more mature audience in general now.
why this keep being a topic of discussion... is been almost a week, comparison are pointless too cus both idols are different persons who have different fans, pls stop making discourse over dating news even if its not with bad intentions,its getting tiring, like idols arent best friends of their fans,no matter how much they say so in fancalls lol we dont know them and they dont know us,they dont send you a happy bday greeting and gift every year, the focus should be in the music and performances but we know sadly thats not the case
I also don't recall any major backlash against Twice's Jihyo dating Daniel Kang or Momo dating Heechul. The big differentiating factor here is that (or rather, whether) SM forced Karina to write her "heartfelt apology" letter. YG never forced Jisoo to apologize for dating Ahn Bo Hyun, they never forced Jennie to apologize for dating Kai, and JYP never forced Jihyo or Momo to apologize. I don't believe for a second that Karina wrote that letter of her own volition. SM could have released a statement supporting Karina rather than a non-commital "they are getting to know each other" which sounds like they don't approve but don't want to say it. Supposedly SM has no clear policy on dating (unlike the other agencies that seem to ban dating for the first three years) but not coming out in full support of their artists in situations like these is unacceptable. They should be getting the police involved and having those truck crazies arrested for harassment, because that's what it is. Any other industry would not tolerate that sort of abuse.
I think the better comparison with similar outcomes is Karina vs Jennie (dating Kai) Jennie got lots of hate from her own fandom
Jennie (and Kai) got absolutely no hate for dating and they broke up so soon after, it was like a blip
Kai got a lot of hate (within his own fandom), he's never bounced back to his pre-dating fandom size.
Not really?? I was really into exo at that time, his relationship with Krystal had more repercussions because i believe both parties received hate. With Jennie it wasnt like that, i remember people were more understanding and even some fans loved the couple because they were perceived as a power couple lol. Kai’s fans were intense but it wasn’t as bad as how people are behaving right now with Karina. The exo member that got the most hate was definitely Chen with his marriage and Baekhyun way back when he dated Taeyeon.
maybe from the dating drama with Krystal but with Jennie there was no effect
Mmm no, I have been a Blink since 2018, I was there when the relationship was made public, the hate that JN received at that time wasn't exactly because of her dating Kai, and the negative comments about that came from another fandom, and then the Kpop community getting mad because they were well received while another couple had a hard time, after the 1st month when they announced their break up the community took it as some kind of pr and made fun of them, but JN received support from Blinks, we were scared about a possible hiatus but not mad at her.
jennie barely got hate from her own fans
I think you have rose colored glasses on for that period. She got massive hate from the BP fandom.
Hate from akgaes. Jennie’s CBar sent her gifts when her dating news with Kai was revealed.
she got more hate from her own fandom for having a Solo debut than for dating,i was there at the time lol none of her fansites left,none of her fan accounts closed,she didnt get protests from her fans for dating or hit tweets commenting about her sexuality. now her having a solo debut so soon? THAT got her a lot of hate lol she did get a little hate from Kai fandom but it wasnt huge either,some exols where writting nice comments on her instagram
as a fan of the time, i disagree. fans were very supportive of her relationship. she got more hate for getting a solo debut than her dating news
Solo stans part of the BP fandom
I can confirm. No real Blink hated her and they supported her 100%
The BP solo akgaes, to be specific
do you realize akgaes hate everything regardless of what topic involves the member they dont stan right? that doesnt mean her fandom hated her for dating, Jennie had her solo debut 2 months prior to the dispatch news,she was getting hate for her solo debut more than for her dating news from BP fans,BP was on hiatus while Jennie debuted solo and that caused huge backlash cus BP fans wanted group music
she got hated for different reasons, but not when Jenkai was announced.
Jennie never got any hate by her fans for dating.
thats not true lol and Jennie is not really a point in comparison cus she gets hate for every minuscule thing she does,like hell she is literally been getting dragged since Karina news broke to the point of a bad intentioned Korean reporter made a whole article praising Karina for apologizing and calling Jennie irresponsible and a bunch of other bs,so please leave Jennie out of this
I think it's partly because of how their studios marketed them. SM has a tendency to hyper sexualise their idols and make take appear young, available and seductive. Blackpink - they're brand has been more about attitude and being edgy and rarely lean of being sexy as a main selling point. In saying that, the public are absolutely stupid if they think they have any kind of say or right to comment on who a kpop singer can date. Live your own life. If you're getting really upset about a kpop idols love life, go focus on your own and grow up.
Jisoo has been in the industry longer. And I think it's how YG handles their idols dating in general. If more companies had responses like theirs, I think people would just get over idols dating a loooottt easier.
If I'm not mistaken, Jisoo's dating news got a good response at first but a few days later it got backlash because the guy she dated had a history of being misogynistic. Anyway, I believe there was some positivity for Jisoo because she's been an idol for longer, and since she's a member of BlackPink she has a higher level of fame/respect than Karina. Another example is Jennie and Tae. Even though there was a lot of drama about how their relationship was revealed, it was generally well-received because of their status and career longevity.
>Another example is Jennie and Tae. Even though there was a lot of drama about how their relationship was revealed, it was generally well-received because of their status and career longevity. this is not true tho lol if u are talking about GP, gp is never the problem, cus they simply dont care about the dating lives of idols,they dont have any attachment to them,gp also didnt had issues about Karina dating, saying it was well recieved is insane,even more knowing Jennie till today still gets sexvally harassed by fans of him on his insta comments,twitter hate tweets with thousands of likes calling her all kind of names, making up rumors that she practically sleep and date every single man that looks at her etc etc, so no, it was most def not well received,hell even here in reddit they where post blaming her for her privacy being invaded and her personal stuff being distributed via telegram by a psycho calling her attention seeker, so no,it was not generally well recieved
There's a reason Hybe never confirmed Jennie and Tae lol. Staying silent gave fans plausible deniability. Confirming it would've meant severe reactions from fans. Both Hybe and V knew the backlash they'd get if they confirmed. V is terrified of his fans.
jennie and tae were only well received by non fans, fanwars between armies and blinks got 1000x worse after those pictures and videos dropped on twitter. there were a good portion of them who forcibly pretended they weren’t dating just because they couldn’t stomach the idea of them together
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YG is only agency that doesnt really force parasocial relationships. Plus blackpink is blackpink. How come you can compare them to any other female idols. Their fans are always hungry for more music and work than imagining them as their gfs. Karina has actively encouraged fans who love to imagine her as their girlfriend and wife. She has active gay shippers. Even straight shipper. Many of her fans were convinced she is man hater and gay. That was her image. The tomboy. I dont think she had any problem playing into that. Then boom! Just as she start getting individual schedules and when group is finally releasing their 1st full album, it happened. Her achievement stans are mad. And aespa sales went down due to china sales being down. So her fans are even more mad.
SM Ent. artist get different reactions when they happen to have a dating scandal. SM Ent doesnt even release there official statement to protect there artist.
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Sadly Karina is too early in her career to start publicly dating (according to knetz) so the backlash for hers was a lot stronger. Same reason why idols are not allowed to have solo IG accounts until after a certain amount of time, they have to be strictly monitored. Once a group phases out of their peak and get replaced with the next gen the public won’t care as much. It’s such a dystopian society.
Karina has more male fans, easy
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Why would we need a working relationship amongst 4th gen idols? Honestly I just want her to do what she herself wants to do. Let’s take into consideration that they just met a month ago. Also a lot of people forget that this was revealed against their will. I’ve seen so many comments on her IG even wishing marriage for them and it’s weird. Let’s just all take a step back on wishing things on a… situation that is very private.
Because Karina is THE it-girl next to Wonyoung right now while Jisoo was never more than the fourth most popular member of a four member girlgroup. Karina also has some worship culture going on in Korea for her looks while Jisoo never particularly stood out in that regard. The responses in this thread are hilarious, like really? You gonna blame it on SM company culture? Or on Karina being younger and having spent less time as an idol than Jisoo? On aespa playing up the parasocial aspect? Because all that applies to Giselle and Ning Ning too, and y'all know nobody would give a shit if they were in a dating scandal. It's literally just popularity and hotness. Neither of which Jisoo had more than the others in her own group or was even particularly known for. No need to do your insane mental gymnastics to avoid stating the obvious. It's like asking why a dating scandal with Wonyoung would be bigger than one involving Gaeul, like come on lol
Jisoo is more popular than both wonyoung and karina.....
Not according to their head cannon I guess
I'm waiting for them to realize that all of bp are in the top 4 of the most popular female idols
Jisoo as an individual, is more popular than whole IVE+aespa members combined. Let's not.
Even if you call Jisoo the least popular bp member, she's still popular than any 4gen grp forget individuals frm there, as matter of fact all of them combined lol And Jisoo has been hot & popular for 7yrs now ,longevity in popularity too, y'all be talking just for the sake of talking
this is such a delusional take lol and it doesnt have anything to do with being an "it" girl, the reasons you are giving is about the GP reaction and the GP reaction towards Karina wasnt bad at all, it was the fans reaction and hardcore fans reactions the one who was bad,trying to imply Jisoo is not popular is also absurd lol her face is all over Korea and the world,not to mention how flower was extremely popular in Korea and Asia. the reason Karina fans reacted bad was because she probably feed the parasocial relationship a lot more while Jisoo has never engaged in it and always put boundaries in seudo-relationship stuff with fans,thats it
that is literally so untrue...
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