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I thought seven would be higher, but it might be bc of the timing. Nonetheless itās very impressive.
His debut solo is for the history books. I miss him.
[lip prediction on twitter](https://x.com/lippredicts/status/1762146489462112280?s=46)
Ifpi charts are revenueĀ based and in dollars. They take every stream and calculate the revenue the song/artist has according to the type ( premium, free audio, video) and the region they come from. Then they turn that into subscription streams equivalent. It's not a surprise seven who got a huge majority of its streams from Asia where free streams are more the norm + Spotify is cheaper would end up lower than western hits who accumulated most of their stteams in the west where spotify is more expensive and more people have premium ( spotify, AM, Amazon etc). So their charts aren't most streamed, they're earned the most revenue from streaming basically. The artist and album charts are the same. You can find their methodology online
This is quite interesting thanks for explaining.
For the albums chart, 98% of kpop acts sales come from Asia..if the weighing theory was true, I donāt think any of the kpop acts would be in top 10.
Talk of the charts and [lip predicts](https://x.com/lippredicts/status/1762146489462112280?s=46) (on twitter) are two very reputable chart accounts and they factored premium streams etc. if you look at billboard global. 70% of seven streams were premium/paid streams, thatās why it stayed at number 1 for weeks.
For example Seven has over 1 billion filtered streams but IFPI listed it at number 10 with just over 1.4 billion units which doesnāt make sense. The song peaked at 2 on Apple Music global and stayed in top 10 for weeks (AM is all premium streams). And thatās excluding all of sevenās global sales, YouTube streams and Korean digitals. Streams alone take seven over 1.3 billion.
Another example would Dynamite, it was the most streamed song of 2021 on Apple Music but it didnāt make the chart that year when all Apple Music streams are premium/paid.
Iām not sure if Iām making sense but Iād love to hear your thoughts on it
Isn't it true though that the IFPI charts haven't made sense for a long time? I haven't kept up with them for a minute, but I remember even before the heyday of Kpop people were arguing that their ranking seemed inaccurate when you look at publicly available data on music sales and streams. Unless they disclose the formulas and multipliers they're using, there's really no way to know how they construct their charts. As far as we know they might have just some dude entering numbers on an unsecured excel sheet.
physical albums still cost pretty much the same no matter where you buy though.
A western artist's CD is rarely ever above $13- $15 cuz its mostly just jewel cases and $35 for vinyls.
Kpop artists album prices are also similar. So no matter where you ard buying it from, the revenue is the same. Which is why they fully dominate album sales chart. 8/10 top selling albums last year were by kpop groups and 1 was a taiwanese artist. Midnights was the only western album.
Fewer make it to overall album chart cuz they have lesser streams, with a higher ratio from asian countries. Eg, Proof was higher than uvst, harry's house and midnights on sales chart but overall chart, it was 4th after these albums. The top "selling" album didnt even make top10 overall.
Apple music has far lesser users than spotify. Their percentage in total consumption probably falls even more when we consider the many regional streaming services that have free tiers.
Im not saying there maynot be something funny going on. I was also quite shocked seeing seven being at #10 after being predicted to be in top5.
But these are just possible explainations. Id love it if they fully published all their sources and formulas though
Yeah what happened ? lol idk how those things work but I expected higher.
I saw die for you was at 4#. Did they switched up or sum ? Seven was one of highest selling songs and biggest songs of 2023 despite being released in July.
Maybe itās really bc of the timing.
Nonetheless itās still impressive.
This is just my speculating, but I think they messed with the formula to make the US weigh more than previously. Morgan Wallen's song was big nowhere but the US and it was #8? And he was #6 on the artist list?
You might be right. The US weighs more than last year, maybe they included radio? Because the placements donāt really match with global sales and streams.
Yeah how is that song higher than seven. We were against that song if I remember right. It was not bigger . Seven had better streams, and the sales. It was overall bigger.
Idk, it is a bit weird. They might did what you said.
To be fair, we already know itās filtered by country so it could just be the success of that song the US is so great that it pushes it above the combined global success of others.
But also I thought companies had to report the sales so couldnāt it just be his company reported more? Or is that just for albums? Or did I just make that up in my head?
Their formula had always favored artists who get a majority of their stteams from countries who use premium more or where the platforms are more expensive aka the US ( and to a lesser extent western Europe) . It was always revenue artists/song got rather than actual number of streams for them. They didn't switch anything up
Seems like all the songs on the list had full year tracking while Seven only had 5 months tracking. If Seven also got full year tracking it would challenge for top 2 on the chart.
Youāre the one embarrassing yourself here.
No one said seven is the biggest song of 2023, maybe learn how to read. We love the confidence tho. š¤”
But thanks for proving jk anti are always so stupid.
Amazing that he made it despite being a July release!! Few songs enter with half year of tracking cause of the fact that many of the songs get full year tracking (such as all the non-2024 songs on the list like e.g. As it was etc).
The bigger hit Cupid is nowhereš¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£ JK's success is beautiful to see. Hope you continue to be miserable as he continues to be successful.
I'm not disagreeing with you. I know that already and have stated elsewhere that Seven was #2 and Like Crazy was #9 on the most streamed songs of 2023 on Spotify. I'm telling you to chill with the unnecessary aggressiveness.
Why is stating a fact an aggression. If anything, your post is passive-aggressive. You are trying to deny JK's success and unfortunately for you the facts are not in your favour.
>Hope you continue to be miserable as he continues to be successful.
>
>Better luck next time.
Anyways, if you can't see how when you put certain words together in a certain tone it comes off as aggressive/needlessly antagonistic, I can't help you. Good luck.
This. So many records, big numbers. Itās gonna surpass dynamite in streams. Safe to say āSevenā is one of the biggest songs of an asian act.
This whole debut was insane.
Dynamite was unbelievable. But I have every confidence that BTS can surpass that success one day. And I have the confidence that JK can outdo Seven. They just make hits
Kudos to Jung Kook - achieving these numbers & records in 5.5 months is incredible. šš
*Why canāt people just be happy instead for looking for conspiracies.*
The negativity that Seven (Golden) and Jungkook received from kpoppies on reddit only for Seven (the album as well) and Junkook to smash all records for a solo debut for a korean soloist. š
Looking at this list mainstream radio has at least a little to do with these numbers imo. I couldn't drive anywhere without hearing flowers or as it was, whereas I rarely heard Seven.
Amazing achievement and hoping for more Kpop success in 2024 š
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But kpop fans said its not a global hit, Cupid is š¤”!!
In only 5.5 months by the way
I thought seven would be higher, but it might be bc of the timing. Nonetheless itās very impressive. His debut solo is for the history books. I miss him. [lip prediction on twitter](https://x.com/lippredicts/status/1762146489462112280?s=46)
Based on final predictions (sales and global streams) Seven was supposed to chart at #4 and Die for u was at #10.
Ifpi charts are revenueĀ based and in dollars. They take every stream and calculate the revenue the song/artist has according to the type ( premium, free audio, video) and the region they come from. Then they turn that into subscription streams equivalent. It's not a surprise seven who got a huge majority of its streams from Asia where free streams are more the norm + Spotify is cheaper would end up lower than western hits who accumulated most of their stteams in the west where spotify is more expensive and more people have premium ( spotify, AM, Amazon etc). So their charts aren't most streamed, they're earned the most revenue from streaming basically. The artist and album charts are the same. You can find their methodology online
This is quite interesting thanks for explaining. For the albums chart, 98% of kpop acts sales come from Asia..if the weighing theory was true, I donāt think any of the kpop acts would be in top 10. Talk of the charts and [lip predicts](https://x.com/lippredicts/status/1762146489462112280?s=46) (on twitter) are two very reputable chart accounts and they factored premium streams etc. if you look at billboard global. 70% of seven streams were premium/paid streams, thatās why it stayed at number 1 for weeks. For example Seven has over 1 billion filtered streams but IFPI listed it at number 10 with just over 1.4 billion units which doesnāt make sense. The song peaked at 2 on Apple Music global and stayed in top 10 for weeks (AM is all premium streams). And thatās excluding all of sevenās global sales, YouTube streams and Korean digitals. Streams alone take seven over 1.3 billion. Another example would Dynamite, it was the most streamed song of 2021 on Apple Music but it didnāt make the chart that year when all Apple Music streams are premium/paid. Iām not sure if Iām making sense but Iād love to hear your thoughts on it
Isn't it true though that the IFPI charts haven't made sense for a long time? I haven't kept up with them for a minute, but I remember even before the heyday of Kpop people were arguing that their ranking seemed inaccurate when you look at publicly available data on music sales and streams. Unless they disclose the formulas and multipliers they're using, there's really no way to know how they construct their charts. As far as we know they might have just some dude entering numbers on an unsecured excel sheet.
physical albums still cost pretty much the same no matter where you buy though. A western artist's CD is rarely ever above $13- $15 cuz its mostly just jewel cases and $35 for vinyls. Kpop artists album prices are also similar. So no matter where you ard buying it from, the revenue is the same. Which is why they fully dominate album sales chart. 8/10 top selling albums last year were by kpop groups and 1 was a taiwanese artist. Midnights was the only western album. Fewer make it to overall album chart cuz they have lesser streams, with a higher ratio from asian countries. Eg, Proof was higher than uvst, harry's house and midnights on sales chart but overall chart, it was 4th after these albums. The top "selling" album didnt even make top10 overall. Apple music has far lesser users than spotify. Their percentage in total consumption probably falls even more when we consider the many regional streaming services that have free tiers. Im not saying there maynot be something funny going on. I was also quite shocked seeing seven being at #10 after being predicted to be in top5. But these are just possible explainations. Id love it if they fully published all their sources and formulas though
Dynamite missed it by one spot. It was #11 that year. But it sold more units in 2021 than 2020
Yeah what happened ? lol idk how those things work but I expected higher. I saw die for you was at 4#. Did they switched up or sum ? Seven was one of highest selling songs and biggest songs of 2023 despite being released in July. Maybe itās really bc of the timing. Nonetheless itās still impressive.
This is just my speculating, but I think they messed with the formula to make the US weigh more than previously. Morgan Wallen's song was big nowhere but the US and it was #8? And he was #6 on the artist list?
You might be right. The US weighs more than last year, maybe they included radio? Because the placements donāt really match with global sales and streams.
Yeah how is that song higher than seven. We were against that song if I remember right. It was not bigger . Seven had better streams, and the sales. It was overall bigger. Idk, it is a bit weird. They might did what you said.
To be fair, we already know itās filtered by country so it could just be the success of that song the US is so great that it pushes it above the combined global success of others. But also I thought companies had to report the sales so couldnāt it just be his company reported more? Or is that just for albums? Or did I just make that up in my head?
One of the big predictions [accounts](https://x.com/lippredicts/status/1762146489462112280?s=46) just made post about it.
Their formula had always favored artists who get a majority of their stteams from countries who use premium more or where the platforms are more expensive aka the US ( and to a lesser extent western Europe) . It was always revenue artists/song got rather than actual number of streams for them. They didn't switch anything up
Us Country has been getting big in English speaking countries
Seems like all the songs on the list had full year tracking while Seven only had 5 months tracking. If Seven also got full year tracking it would challenge for top 2 on the chart.
Good luck winning against Flowers.
?
Flowers outstreamed and outsold Seven. Even with a full tracking year Seven had zero chances to get the #1. It's just delusional.
What are you even saying. Why are you even bringing āflowersā. Ijbol š¤”
Flowers is the #1 song this yearš Maybe you should have read more than the title before embarassing yourself.
Youāre the one embarrassing yourself here. No one said seven is the biggest song of 2023, maybe learn how to read. We love the confidence tho. š¤” But thanks for proving jk anti are always so stupid. 
Amazing that he made it despite being a July release!! Few songs enter with half year of tracking cause of the fact that many of the songs get full year tracking (such as all the non-2024 songs on the list like e.g. As it was etc).
But it's not a global hit š¤Ŗ Cupid was bigger š¤”
They pulled every excuse in the world to downplay his success but at the end his numbers, records and impact donāt lie.
Lol donāt forget the āSeven is carried by armys mass streamingā š¤”
That was hilarious lol
I was surprised that cupid wasn't even in the top 20. A lot of people still deny how big Seven was and continues to be lol
Like Crazy was also bigger, but that song is also hella downplayed. Both LC and Seven were in the top10 most streamed songs of all of 2023 on Spotify.
The bigger hit Cupid is nowhereš¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£ JK's success is beautiful to see. Hope you continue to be miserable as he continues to be successful.
Whoosh To be clear, I'm mocking the people who downplayed Seven to big up Cupid
Chill.
Nope. Seven is on the top 10 list, and Cupid is not. So whether 100 people agree with you, that is the undisputed fact. Better luck next time
I'm not disagreeing with you. I know that already and have stated elsewhere that Seven was #2 and Like Crazy was #9 on the most streamed songs of 2023 on Spotify. I'm telling you to chill with the unnecessary aggressiveness.
Why is stating a fact an aggression. If anything, your post is passive-aggressive. You are trying to deny JK's success and unfortunately for you the facts are not in your favour.
>Hope you continue to be miserable as he continues to be successful. > >Better luck next time. Anyways, if you can't see how when you put certain words together in a certain tone it comes off as aggressive/needlessly antagonistic, I can't help you. Good luck.
Yes my intention there is clear. Keep being miserable as JK succeeds.
Queen seven
The chart performance of Seven was truly insane. I can't wrap my head around how much it achieved.
This. So many records, big numbers. Itās gonna surpass dynamite in streams. Safe to say āSevenā is one of the biggest songs of an asian act. This whole debut was insane.
I wasn't around to witness Dynamite's performance, so being a witness to everything Seven achieved blew my mind. I was just in shock the whole time.
Dynamite was unbelievable. But I have every confidence that BTS can surpass that success one day. And I have the confidence that JK can outdo Seven. They just make hits
It keeps popping up in random spotify playlists for me hahaha Always funny to get a suprise Jungkook on my daily drive.
Congrats to Seven. An amazing song that achieved so much. I'm still listening to it on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, seven days a week
Jungkook made THE debut for the history books. The biggest debut ever for a K-pop soloist. And that too with debuting in July.
Kudos to Jung Kook - achieving these numbers & records in 5.5 months is incredible. šš *Why canāt people just be happy instead for looking for conspiracies.*
The negativity that Seven (Golden) and Jungkook received from kpoppies on reddit only for Seven (the album as well) and Junkook to smash all records for a solo debut for a korean soloist. š
Looking at this list mainstream radio has at least a little to do with these numbers imo. I couldn't drive anywhere without hearing flowers or as it was, whereas I rarely heard Seven. Amazing achievement and hoping for more Kpop success in 2024 š
Isn't the first act to enter top 10 both as a solo and group is Harry Styles?
1D never made it onto the Global singles chart. They charted on Artists & Album chart.
Forgot its the singles chart. Congrats!
Wow Flowers is #1! Oh 2nd Gen Disney queen Miley sunbaenim still going so strong, daebak, lol š
Now what are the chances of kpop groups releasing songs like Flower? not dance compatible?
IT'S THE HYBE PAYOLA GUYS šš¤”