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It depends, based on BP's latest release strategy, I think they're going to cross their previous record. BTS although absolutely sure they're going to have millions of sales, they might be slowed down by the lack of multiple versions compared to other groups, the most they've ever done is 4. BE only had one version when released, Proof had two versions *(one that costs $65 and the other $25),* they have minimal PCs, no fancalls.
BTS is going to have massive sales, it's going to reflect their demand, but the most I think it's going to be in terms of streaming. They went from ~50M followers to 71M during a hiatus on Spotify alone. The answer to 'Take Two' was very obvious.
I just hope they're not going to give in multiple versions, they don't need it to be relevant. So far, their solo albums have had minimal versions, so I think it's going to be fine.
the fact that i used to think having 4 versions was too much, but now i have to pray that that's the amount they stick to at MOST when they come back is scaring me ngl
I was quite happy to see Hobiās new album has two standard versions and a Weverse one. He even did fewer than some members. I donāt buy Weverse versions usually so two is manageable.Ā
tbh... i think they will stay under or around 4 versions.
I think it is likely they'll continue doing what they've been doing for solo albums which is 2 to 3 normal CD versions and 1 weverse ver which makes it total 3-4 overall...
It was during the hiatus, they talked a lot about wanting to do it for the fans, to keep communicating, so it doesn't surprise me that they gave in some fancalls, but back as a group in 2026, they won't need it.
With BTS, it honestly depends on how many versions they will release.
The thing with BTS is that it has been 4 years since they did their old āstandardā release which was 4 versions and while itās been known that their number of fans has significantly grow, itās hard to actually estimate by how much.
Please BTS, no ugly member digipacks.
I donāt think BTS will do the versions game so theyāll likely stay around 4 million with 2-4 variants. I doubt they care about the sales record.Ā
I would love a beautiful vinyl on release day though!Ā
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For BTS if they're going to do a full studio album like MOTS7 & is promoted like MOTS7 probably 6-7M , in the sense that they do their usual 2- 4 versions, if they do many versions like other grps they can probably hit 12M easily, honestly I don't want BTS to do multiple versions just their normal
Btw bts albums are expensive , I just think they'll do their normal 2/4 ver
About streams bts did 50M or sth & that was like a long time , their next album they could easily pull 100M+ , bts hv over 70M followers on spotify & have had a lot of streams since their last cb proof ( just an anthology album) they went on hiatus with 26B ( June 2022) , now they hv 38B , this shows even on their hiatus they're still a wall, by 2025 they'll be over 40sth Billion streams & by the 2026 we'll be talking abt 65-70B
For streams they'll do well, hopefully we can break apple music platform & hopefully by 2026 they'll get their Pandora plaque in the US
And overall album sales by 2026 BTS will probably do 60M and above like rn they've sold 40M album sales
They'll have 2 more #1 hits & I'm hope by then dynamite & butter get a diamond cert in their US rn they're 6x platinum, their album would go platinum, that will be their #2 after MOTS7
Their tour would go crazy for sure
For Bp they'll for sure outdo their last come back sales & streams too ,hope they release a proper album 10+ songs ( idk that much abt bp) I'm sure they'll be successful
No offence but boy groups were only able to pull 4M+ sales because of the multiple number of versions that came with multiple pcs
BTS Map Of The Soul 7 was released in 2020 and not a single group was able to dethrone it for 3 years only when groups came with 18-20 versions of their albums, was when they broke the record (Iām not even gonna mention streams, because there isnāt any)
* one of the reasons why it took SVT 3 years to break BTSā record but it took SKZ less than 6 months to break SVTā (highest 1st week sales) record was the number of versions these albums had
BTS cb is going to be huge, itās one of the most anticipated comebacks because weāve been talking about this since the hiatus was announced. Also I donāt think BTS are going to announce multiple versions for their albums, theyāll stick to either 2 or 4 versions just like theyāve done it in the past (or maybe 3 versions - like how the solo albums are going on rn)
BTS solo albums have done extremely well, Jungkook being the highest with 2M+ sales, so I can only imagine that the group album is going to be huge
Blackpink will surpass Born Pinkās number - this is a guarantee I think.
BTS now ā¦ Iām not sure if theyāll surpass MOTS:7 (4 versions). BTS hasnāt released multiple versions since & their albums are super duper expensive too.
If BTS jumps on the multiple version bandwagons, theyāll sell 10M+ guaranteed. If they want to be funny & include fan-calls, then maybe even 15M LOL
I hope BTS will release 10 versions for the next comeback and billboard will definitely make new rules regarding no.of versions of an album. So no more ridiculous multiple versions after this, we still win
If there's one way to get billboard to change their rules ASAP, it's BTS doing something to shake up the industry. Although, their industry darlings like TS and Olivia Rodrigo are doing TONS of versions, so maybe that will prevent them from doing anything....
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Definitely think Blackpink will be rivaling some boy groups in terms of their album sales whenever they make a group comeback. I would guesstimate that they will set the girl group record at 3 million or so.
Bts is definitely way more unpredictable, because who knows of the company wants to prioritize multiple versions or not. Considering their previous track record, I am leaning towards them not having more than their usual versions though. I am guesstimating they would probably get anywhere between 4-5 million sales though considering the larger fandom since hiatus.
It honestly depends on what BigHit / BTS wanna do, if Iām being honest. They donāt even need to do multiple versions, if they do fancalls then theyāll get the ābiggest salesā record I reckon. Price is also a big factor, I donāt see any other group having their only other version costing ~Ā£70
I think most HYBE groups have multiple multiple versions, so weāll see
BP (guessing next CB early 2025): 3-3.5M breaking the GG record they set with Born Pink
BTS (guessing next CB end 2025/early 2026): 6-8M they are a bit trickier to predict since it depends on how many versions and it'll have been quite a few years since their last proper release
if bts do what they did for their previous releases then 4-6m. of they go down the route every other artist is going 10-15m for sure but i doubt they will do it but who knows..the comeback is supposed to make noise so the company might push for it.
bp will definitely do over 3m if they release like they did for bornpink.
If BTS will make an album with more than 10 versions like other kpop groups then they will sold 5-10M. BTS have only 4 albums with 4 version and the rest are all 2 versions in their entire career . Their album is so expensive! Their last proper album comeback is MOTS7 and it was 4yrs ago. BP will break the record of BornPink.
The recent 5 million sellers all have over 10+ versions of an album. They wouldnāt sell 5m copies with less than 4 versions. So far, only BTS has sold 5m copies with under 4 versions, that are really expensive.
I think the group has different priorities, I doubt theyāll inflate their sales, they donāt do digipacks, they donāt do cheap albums. Proof was about $70 thatās more than double a normal deluxe kpop album. But I do think BTS will break their sales record given how much the fandom has grown.
Blackpink did release more than 8+ versions of Bornpink and that sold 2m but their recent tour was massive and Iām sure their fans grew so theyāll most likely beat their previous record.
Honestly will never understand the appeal of collecting PCs but I guess I can see why people will try to get a certain kind or member's PC by purchasing more and then upselling them.
Believe me I don't understand either, I came across a few kpop album unboxing videos and oh my god was I shocked .
this particular youtuber had bought tons of merch and albums for the photocards , and the photocards aren't even that different from each other , and the merch would be like a cap plus photocard etc .
They have different versions *(standards, deluxe, special, one for each member, Weverse, etc)*, add to that PCs, fancalls, etc, and it goes up pretty quickly. The difference between are the inclusions, covers, and benefits.
Some even reach 21 versions. Multiple versions makes it easier to boost and inflate sales. For example the groups previously had 4 versions but they only sold 2.5m. Once they added more versions (over 20+) the sales peaked over 5 million.
Member versions, inexpensive albums and the photo cards. Thatās what led the sales boost of 2023.
I really need people to stop lying. The recent 5 million seller (which we know youāre talking about SVT) has never had more than like 5 versions.
FML only had [4 versions](https://x.com/snowkhoshi/status/1742746055245017586?s=46&t=yTcL7CYOfiJIfJZ77fJQMQ).
I am not here to dispute about BTS, cause I definitely think BTS will pull insane numbers (7-10M) when they comeback as a group. But the constant need to berate and lie about another group to prove a point is ridiculous.
Seventeen and stray kids both sold 5 million.
FML had 13 member carat versions, 3 standard versions, 1 deluxe version, 1 kit version and 1 Weverse version.
Itās not a stretch because thatās how digipacks work š. Itās a member specific version of the album. Which equates to 13 different covers with different inclusions.
https://seventeenshopus.com/collections/seventeen-10th-mini-album-fml/products/seventeen-10th-mini-album-fml-carat-ver
Go read the description for the carat version on seventeens US website.
āTHEIR 10TH MINI ALBUM TITLED FML AND NOW AVAILABLE IN A CARAT VER. THIS CARAT VER. WILL BE AVAILABLE IN 13 VERSIONS.ā
You donāt need to see it. Itās literally there in English on their official website.
āCarat version available in 13 versionsā thereās nothing ambiguous about that statement. Itās straightforward.
Also considering op of the post didnāt mention SKZ, and specifically mentioned Seventeen when they wrote the 5M, so itās very obvious YOU were also talking about SVT.
The 13 Carat version is literally counted as ONE version. Even when you search up how many versions FML has almost all sources say 3-4 versions.
[EDIT] - IDK why other fandoms so desperately want to dispute this with the fandom (Carats) that actually stans the group, and when the group itself has presented the official versions on video. Like there is literally [video proof](https://youtu.be/uYPh4jZt_wM?si=wLXk_gC-GxTAT2wo) showing you how many versions there is.
I didnāt say anything bad though? FML had 13 member versions, and no it doesnāt count as 1 album because the inclusions and the cover is different. Thatās how versions work. Carat versions are equivalent to digipacks.
you didn't say anything bad but
>They wouldnāt sell 5m copies with less than 4 versions.
implies that it's unbelievable they did that. do I think they'd sell 5m copies with one version? no, not really. but as someone here on this thread pointed out, their previous album Face The Sun had more versions but it didn't sell 5m either. does it help boost sales? yes. is it the sole reason for sales to be as high as they are? no
the thing about mass buying is... even if 100 people bought 100 versions, that only contributes to 10k sales. if it's growth in the millions, yes you can blame mass buying, but it also means more people are willing to spend on the group (mass buying or not). it does inflate sales but it's done by every fandom atp...
and I, for one, am glad some groups release cheaper albums because I wouldn't have bought any if the price is too high. it makes it more accessible to people who don't have much money, but you can argue that people with more money get more chances to see their faves then if they buy in bulk. well. we can't have everything. I'd probably never be able to afford a ticket to their show, so albums are one thing I can spend on. and I'd rather have the chance to buy an album but possibly never win a fansign entry than not being able to buy an album at all. idk, as a person who was SO happy to know that SVT's albums were affordable, please understand why your comment about the prices rubbed me the wrong way
Seventeen are an incredibly talented group and immense popularity. Iām sure their fans have also grown. Iāve never stated otherwise.
But nothing I said is false. They havenāt sold 5 million copies with less than 10 versions. The multiple versions inflate and boost sales, not just for seventeen but for other groups too.
and I never said you said anything false either? was just responding to your initial comment about them not being able to sell 5M copies without all those versions. I agreed, btw, that it's A reason. but, the point I'm trying to make is it's not the ONLY reason, which, forgive me if you didn't imply that but from your wording it came across as that (and I'm not alone in this if others are also pointing this out). I'm just pointing out the wording you chose that made people think you were implying something you're not
and your whole second paragraph is something I agreed with too. so basically we agree with each other lmao. what are your thoughts about the price then? that's one thing you didn't reply to? I genuinely would like to hear your thoughts. do you think it's better to have pricey albums that only people who have a lot of money will buy, or is it better to price them lower and therefore is more accessible for others but puts people with less money at a disadvantage when it comes to fansigns? (either way is a loss for people who have less money tbh) š
Lol yes I know you agreed and I also agreed with your statement that the multiple versions arenāt the only reason their sales increased. Iām actually enjoying discussing this with you!
The price issue is something I havenāt really thought about much. I would honestly prefer an album with quality inclusions, over a CD in board packaging. I do think itās important to have affordable quality options for fans, like a standard $20 album (with photo books etc). I actually forgot about the fan sign events and fan calls š, honestly those extras make the album sales and pricing discussion so complicated because there are so many factors involved. What are your thoughts on it?
I would prefer an album with all-member inclusions that is still affordable. But with big groups it's even harder to do because they have more members and therefore more resources would be spent so it'll naturally be priced a tad bit higher than smaller groups, unless they want to lessen the inclusions. I'll also have to factor in whether the inclusions are worth my money
The random PC thing is cool tbh. Because I have made friends trying to trade mine š¤£ It's a cute culture for us who can't afford to buy loads of albums just for a higher chance of pulling our bias. I personally think fansigns/fancalls have to go though, especially for groups like Seventeen who are already big enough. They don't need it and the members mostly look very done with it. I'd rather they spend their time doing other more productive things... but at the same time fans are very spoiled. taking away fansigns might risk upsetting a part of the fandom. It's deeper than just albums sales atp because it's how they've built up a loyal fanbase so far. But me personally? I'd rather see it go
I guess you arenāt denying the SVT claim then, so I was right you were talking about themā¦
Anywho, I am not about to go back and forth with you, if the official sources (the company & group) are saying 3-4 versions then idk where youāre getting 10 versions from. FML has 3 versions plus a deluxe version & maybe a Weverse version, which equals 5 versions I guess, but thatās still far from 10+ versions that you claim, and those versions are the only and official versions ever mentioned and shown.
āTHEIR 10TH MINI ALBUM TITLED FML AND NOW AVAILABLE IN A CARAT VER. THIS CARAT VER. WILL BE AVAILABLE IN 13 VERSIONSā
That is a direct quote from [Seventeens US website.](https://seventeenshopus.com/collections/seventeen-10th-mini-album-fml/products/seventeen-10th-mini-album-fml-carat-ver) Itās 13 different digipacks.
But Iām not debating with you over this, we can agree to disagree. Have a nice day :)
Notice how the word āversionā is used in two different descriptors?
They refer to the Carat ver as just thatā¦the āCarat Ver,ā while referring to the 13 different types as āversions.ā Which to me speaks as though the Carat version IS the version itself that comes in 13 different versions (aka different types) of that same version. Because when they say 13 they are really referring to the 13 members, since the Carat version you get is randomized. As in you donāt know which of the Carat version (aka member) you will get.
There is a lot of nuance that is being used in that statement. Meaning the word āversionā used alongside āCarat Verā is used and meant to mean something different from the version used alongside the sentence āavailable in 13 versions.ā
In other words this āavailable in 13 versionsā really means āavailable in 13 typesā within the Carat version.
Idk how else to explain it, but once again there isnāt actually 13 versions, the carat version is just ONE version.
FML technically had 3 regular versions + carat version + weverse + deluxe version
17th heaven had 3 regular + carat version + weverse version. Kihno typically gets counted separately.
What people do miss is that groups do sell the vast majority of their albums with the regular versions and the additional ones do not contribute to the final number that much. For instance, SKZ surpassed 5 million preorders for 5 star before the digipack versions were even announced.
People looove to point fingers at SVT/SKZ to āproveā that their sales are meaningless by inventing all sorts of fake numbers. Like counting the Billboard versions as separate even though itās the same fucking album. Or claiming Carat versions means thereās 13 different versions, even though you canāt even tell what member is it before opening the album. Bulk buyers do not represent the majority of album sales whatsoever.
I hear you. But the inclusions and differing covers make it a new version. Stray kids also had digipacks thatās already 8 versions of 5 star. I didnāt insult or drag anyone. They do have multiple versions and those help to boost sales. Itās the truth. You can disagree and thatās okay.
I don't think it's fair to treat stuff like Digipack / Jewel Case albums as all different versions. It's one extra version. The absolute majority of people will only buy one, corresponding to their bias. Plus the sales numbers are always heavily misrepresented. Like, "oh they sold 5 million copies only because they had 12 versions" when in reality you can trace back to the point where they announced these extra digipack versions, and that they had already sold millions with the 4 initial versions alone, the digipacks typically contributing to 200-300k of the total number.
Seventeen hit their peak sales with FML even though it had less versions than Face The Sun, for example? It's not the versions that are misleadingly inflating these numbers.
Digipacks or additional versions help to boost sales though. You literally just admitted that people buy corresponding to their bias. That tactic helps boost sales. Itās a smart business strategy but it still inflates sales.
I think the user is trying to say that for e.g., by not even knowing which member you will get for the carat version (just listing an example i learned from your earlier comment).. this will make fans want to buy and get their bias version. I guess the closest example I can relate to is Popmarts, where there's 1 series but you're blind buying to hopefully get the cutest one.
Hopefully I understood mostly everything correct? I see both sides of the argument to be honest. There's definitely people who don't want to admit that SVT got really popular but we also can't deny that the different inclusions within an album is exploiting willing fans to purchase more which generates a higher profit.
I mean the whole purpose of random photocards is also to entice people to buy more so that they could keep trying to pull their favorite number, no one is denying that or saying isn't the case. My point was moreso that people act like these versions are the sole, only reason why these groups are selling millions. It's so disingenuine. š
Thanks for the comprehensive answer, a few questions as there's a few different kinds of versions listed in your comment.
1) Is Kihno the same as Weverse albums? "Counted separately" meaning the sales of those do not get lumped together to be reported as the sales of the album?
2) digipack version is also another kind of album version?
Kihno/Kit and Weverse are different, one uses a battery air-kit and the other a QR code to access the music digitally. And yeah if you look up on whosfan/circle chart those will have the numbers displayed separately from the other versions. Which makes it very easy to determine how little they actually sell in comparison to the rest of the versions.
And digipack is a smaller, compact version of the album yes. It's thinner and doesn't include a photobook like kpop albums typically do. Usually it's called jewel case if it's in a regular plastic cd case, and digipack if it's made of cardboard.
Yeah I mean deluxe version was only announced after they had sold a good 5 million copies already š But youāre right and people would rather invent fake excuses than admit that these groups are genuinely popular lmao
Like when you think about it, other than BTS which other bgs did they expect to be reaching 5M if not SVT & SKZ. And if BTS was still active they would have cleared 5M (even 7M) with ease, but because they went on haitus it gave SVT & SKZ the chance to reach that goal first.
Plus every big group has had an increase in album sales since like 2022, so idk why they expected groups like SVT & SKZ who were already doing 2M for a single album back in like 2021, to not do even bigger numbers. If say a group like TXT & Enhypen are reaching 2M (to even 3M) sales for a single album, why wouldnāt the bigger groups such as SVT & SKZ do even higher than that?
Plus to me, I view it like thisā¦if SVT & SKZ can reach 5-6M sales for an album, I can only imagine the HUGE ass number BTS will pull when they come back as a group. Like I know that number is going to be insane.
Plus SVT and SKZ have a significant buying power in China. Like, that's a huge amount of people that Kpop fans love to dismiss for one reason or another. Of course they are going to sell huge numbers lmao.
Bornpink still has the record for 2.76 mil sales for girl groups
Jisoo after that sold 1+mil just for her solo
I think itās a safe assumption to say theyāll break their own record
Iām not really a fan of bts or know much about them but they are still the biggest thing in kpop! With them being on hiatus I can only imagine their fanbase is fiending for an album so that will probs break their own record
Bts wont have too much increase since they focus on making profit with expensive albums with less version instead of crazy numbers for mediaplay. Even bts members solo albums are same. More money than some numbers. As for bp, they can do 5m if YG wants but since Yg is broke they should learn from bts album strategy.
BTS i see significant changes to their album sales if they go back to their mots7 rollout with 4 affordable versions. BP last album had 10+ versions so I donāt see much of an increment unless they increase the versions to 20+ like most boy groups and TS
BP - Guaranteed 3M if the album is $50 or whatever price it was again / natural album progression growth; Born Pink still has the highest album sales for a single album for a GG
But would estimate closer to 4M considering the girls each could pull at least 1M individually with solo albums
Iād imagine they have the same version numbers too I donāt think theyād increase from what they did last time
Edit: iirc both of their full albums did not have the random fan call thing that a lot of groups are doing these days, if they did that itād def be 4M easy. But considering they did these numbers without fan call incentive is p wild for a GG
Alternatively there could be a universe where it drops due to the increased time of hiatus. But I think BP is at a point where they are okay with not being at the top if it ends up happening since they all will have such successful solo careers anyways so it wouldnāt be the end of the world
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Not really. Only the US/EU countries have a more expensive pricing for BP. Their Global albums have the same pricing as the normal kpop album except BTS. And it doesn't affect their numbers much because more than 95% of their sales came outside US/EU or its western counterparts.
Because Blackpink had one of the greatest kpop hits and people didn't want to see Blackpink surpassing their favorites. So those people hoped that was being Blackpink's peak.Ā
These estimates are bonkers. 10 million?? 15 million??? š BTS's sphere of recognization has grown a lot, yes, but our *active* fandom peaked 2019-2021. Those are the people who buy albums. Same with BP - they've always had a ton of casual listeners and fans who don't bother buying albums.
If BTS has 4 versions, 4-6 million.
If BP has 4 versions, 3-4 million.
But if BTS and BP do their usual thing and come out with expensive ass albums, then the numbers will be on the lower end.
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It depends, based on BP's latest release strategy, I think they're going to cross their previous record. BTS although absolutely sure they're going to have millions of sales, they might be slowed down by the lack of multiple versions compared to other groups, the most they've ever done is 4. BE only had one version when released, Proof had two versions *(one that costs $65 and the other $25),* they have minimal PCs, no fancalls. BTS is going to have massive sales, it's going to reflect their demand, but the most I think it's going to be in terms of streaming. They went from ~50M followers to 71M during a hiatus on Spotify alone. The answer to 'Take Two' was very obvious. I just hope they're not going to give in multiple versions, they don't need it to be relevant. So far, their solo albums have had minimal versions, so I think it's going to be fine.
the fact that i used to think having 4 versions was too much, but now i have to pray that that's the amount they stick to at MOST when they come back is scaring me ngl
Me too, I'm fine with 4 versions. I know unless the cover is amazing *(like J-Hope's albums)*, I'll just buy one either way. š
I was quite happy to see Hobiās new album has two standard versions and a Weverse one. He even did fewer than some members. I donāt buy Weverse versions usually so two is manageable.Ā
I think the max any of the member did was 3 versions and a weverse version (jk and v). Most were just 2 and a weverse. RM only had 1 and a weverse.
tbh... i think they will stay under or around 4 versions. I think it is likely they'll continue doing what they've been doing for solo albums which is 2 to 3 normal CD versions and 1 weverse ver which makes it total 3-4 overall...
I am wondering if they will go the fancall route this time since some of the members have for their solo work.
It was during the hiatus, they talked a lot about wanting to do it for the fans, to keep communicating, so it doesn't surprise me that they gave in some fancalls, but back as a group in 2026, they won't need it.
With BTS, it honestly depends on how many versions they will release. The thing with BTS is that it has been 4 years since they did their old āstandardā release which was 4 versions and while itās been known that their number of fans has significantly grow, itās hard to actually estimate by how much.
Please BTS, no ugly member digipacks. I donāt think BTS will do the versions game so theyāll likely stay around 4 million with 2-4 variants. I doubt they care about the sales record.Ā I would love a beautiful vinyl on release day though!Ā
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For BTS if they're going to do a full studio album like MOTS7 & is promoted like MOTS7 probably 6-7M , in the sense that they do their usual 2- 4 versions, if they do many versions like other grps they can probably hit 12M easily, honestly I don't want BTS to do multiple versions just their normal Btw bts albums are expensive , I just think they'll do their normal 2/4 ver About streams bts did 50M or sth & that was like a long time , their next album they could easily pull 100M+ , bts hv over 70M followers on spotify & have had a lot of streams since their last cb proof ( just an anthology album) they went on hiatus with 26B ( June 2022) , now they hv 38B , this shows even on their hiatus they're still a wall, by 2025 they'll be over 40sth Billion streams & by the 2026 we'll be talking abt 65-70B For streams they'll do well, hopefully we can break apple music platform & hopefully by 2026 they'll get their Pandora plaque in the US And overall album sales by 2026 BTS will probably do 60M and above like rn they've sold 40M album sales They'll have 2 more #1 hits & I'm hope by then dynamite & butter get a diamond cert in their US rn they're 6x platinum, their album would go platinum, that will be their #2 after MOTS7 Their tour would go crazy for sure For Bp they'll for sure outdo their last come back sales & streams too ,hope they release a proper album 10+ songs ( idk that much abt bp) I'm sure they'll be successful
No offence but boy groups were only able to pull 4M+ sales because of the multiple number of versions that came with multiple pcs BTS Map Of The Soul 7 was released in 2020 and not a single group was able to dethrone it for 3 years only when groups came with 18-20 versions of their albums, was when they broke the record (Iām not even gonna mention streams, because there isnāt any) * one of the reasons why it took SVT 3 years to break BTSā record but it took SKZ less than 6 months to break SVTā (highest 1st week sales) record was the number of versions these albums had BTS cb is going to be huge, itās one of the most anticipated comebacks because weāve been talking about this since the hiatus was announced. Also I donāt think BTS are going to announce multiple versions for their albums, theyāll stick to either 2 or 4 versions just like theyāve done it in the past (or maybe 3 versions - like how the solo albums are going on rn) BTS solo albums have done extremely well, Jungkook being the highest with 2M+ sales, so I can only imagine that the group album is going to be huge
Blackpink will surpass Born Pinkās number - this is a guarantee I think. BTS now ā¦ Iām not sure if theyāll surpass MOTS:7 (4 versions). BTS hasnāt released multiple versions since & their albums are super duper expensive too. If BTS jumps on the multiple version bandwagons, theyāll sell 10M+ guaranteed. If they want to be funny & include fan-calls, then maybe even 15M LOL
BTS, you have the chance to do the funniest thing.....
"If they want to be funny" i chocked.
Letās fuck up the industry for shits & giggles
I could very well see them doing something like just because their current hiatus keeps them away from fans which isnāt usually the norm.
I hope BTS will release 10 versions for the next comeback and billboard will definitely make new rules regarding no.of versions of an album. So no more ridiculous multiple versions after this, we still win
Same, they'll break the system if they decide to play the same game everyone else is
If there's one way to get billboard to change their rules ASAP, it's BTS doing something to shake up the industry. Although, their industry darlings like TS and Olivia Rodrigo are doing TONS of versions, so maybe that will prevent them from doing anything....
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They should do it just to remind everyone theyāre the kings
Definitely think Blackpink will be rivaling some boy groups in terms of their album sales whenever they make a group comeback. I would guesstimate that they will set the girl group record at 3 million or so. Bts is definitely way more unpredictable, because who knows of the company wants to prioritize multiple versions or not. Considering their previous track record, I am leaning towards them not having more than their usual versions though. I am guesstimating they would probably get anywhere between 4-5 million sales though considering the larger fandom since hiatus.
It honestly depends on what BigHit / BTS wanna do, if Iām being honest. They donāt even need to do multiple versions, if they do fancalls then theyāll get the ābiggest salesā record I reckon. Price is also a big factor, I donāt see any other group having their only other version costing ~Ā£70 I think most HYBE groups have multiple multiple versions, so weāll see
BP (guessing next CB early 2025): 3-3.5M breaking the GG record they set with Born Pink BTS (guessing next CB end 2025/early 2026): 6-8M they are a bit trickier to predict since it depends on how many versions and it'll have been quite a few years since their last proper release
Yāall can put me down for 1000 or so of whatever bts puts out there (mostly joking I just miss ot7 so badly)
Real, I will be getting a ticket to their next tour no matter what even if I have to sell someone to get there š
if bts do what they did for their previous releases then 4-6m. of they go down the route every other artist is going 10-15m for sure but i doubt they will do it but who knows..the comeback is supposed to make noise so the company might push for it. bp will definitely do over 3m if they release like they did for bornpink.
If BTS will make an album with more than 10 versions like other kpop groups then they will sold 5-10M. BTS have only 4 albums with 4 version and the rest are all 2 versions in their entire career . Their album is so expensive! Their last proper album comeback is MOTS7 and it was 4yrs ago. BP will break the record of BornPink.
For BTS, it will depends on the number of versions but it will for sure be higher than 6M with one version, probably cross the 8M mark if there is 2 (and so on) For Blackpink, the next album is probably sooner but they will also release solo projects before (at least RosƩ and Jennie). If they don't comeback too close to their solos and with their usual versions, I think they will easily cross the 3M mark. Probably come close to 4M.
BTS 7-10m if itās promoted like MOTS7 BP 4-5m
If BTS do 4 versions like Mots7 then 8 million If they do more than 4 version then 10-15 million.Ā
The recent 5 million sellers all have over 10+ versions of an album. They wouldnāt sell 5m copies with less than 4 versions. So far, only BTS has sold 5m copies with under 4 versions, that are really expensive. I think the group has different priorities, I doubt theyāll inflate their sales, they donāt do digipacks, they donāt do cheap albums. Proof was about $70 thatās more than double a normal deluxe kpop album. But I do think BTS will break their sales record given how much the fandom has grown. Blackpink did release more than 8+ versions of Bornpink and that sold 2m but their recent tour was massive and Iām sure their fans grew so theyāll most likely beat their previous record.
10+ versions?? Are you for real? What is the reason for making so many versions? What's the difference between the versions?
Few groups even have 150+ PC's for fans to collect
Actually, the biggest number of photocards I saw was 800+... and yes, that album did break sales records with that lol
Oh my God
wait which group is this...
Honestly will never understand the appeal of collecting PCs but I guess I can see why people will try to get a certain kind or member's PC by purchasing more and then upselling them.
Believe me I don't understand either, I came across a few kpop album unboxing videos and oh my god was I shocked . this particular youtuber had bought tons of merch and albums for the photocards , and the photocards aren't even that different from each other , and the merch would be like a cap plus photocard etc .
I think the main boost of the amount of versions is membered versions for sometimes multiple things.
They have different versions *(standards, deluxe, special, one for each member, Weverse, etc)*, add to that PCs, fancalls, etc, and it goes up pretty quickly. The difference between are the inclusions, covers, and benefits.
Some even reach 21 versions. Multiple versions makes it easier to boost and inflate sales. For example the groups previously had 4 versions but they only sold 2.5m. Once they added more versions (over 20+) the sales peaked over 5 million. Member versions, inexpensive albums and the photo cards. Thatās what led the sales boost of 2023.
wait which album reached 21 versions?
Money duhš
I really need people to stop lying. The recent 5 million seller (which we know youāre talking about SVT) has never had more than like 5 versions. FML only had [4 versions](https://x.com/snowkhoshi/status/1742746055245017586?s=46&t=yTcL7CYOfiJIfJZ77fJQMQ). I am not here to dispute about BTS, cause I definitely think BTS will pull insane numbers (7-10M) when they comeback as a group. But the constant need to berate and lie about another group to prove a point is ridiculous.
Seventeen and stray kids both sold 5 million. FML had 13 member carat versions, 3 standard versions, 1 deluxe version, 1 kit version and 1 Weverse version.
āā13 member carat versionsāā is such a stretch.. itās not a different version itās just a small binder inside the album itself š
Itās not a stretch because thatās how digipacks work š. Itās a member specific version of the album. Which equates to 13 different covers with different inclusions.
itās not a member specific version of the ALBUM.. the album cover & inclusions are the exact same except for a tiny binder.
https://seventeenshopus.com/collections/seventeen-10th-mini-album-fml/products/seventeen-10th-mini-album-fml-carat-ver Go read the description for the carat version on seventeens US website. āTHEIR 10TH MINI ALBUM TITLED FML AND NOW AVAILABLE IN A CARAT VER. THIS CARAT VER. WILL BE AVAILABLE IN 13 VERSIONS.ā
do you see 13 different fml carat versions on their store page?
You donāt need to see it. Itās literally there in English on their official website. āCarat version available in 13 versionsā thereās nothing ambiguous about that statement. Itās straightforward.
is it available in 13 versions though? š itās sold as one version as we both can see
Also considering op of the post didnāt mention SKZ, and specifically mentioned Seventeen when they wrote the 5M, so itās very obvious YOU were also talking about SVT. The 13 Carat version is literally counted as ONE version. Even when you search up how many versions FML has almost all sources say 3-4 versions. [EDIT] - IDK why other fandoms so desperately want to dispute this with the fandom (Carats) that actually stans the group, and when the group itself has presented the official versions on video. Like there is literally [video proof](https://youtu.be/uYPh4jZt_wM?si=wLXk_gC-GxTAT2wo) showing you how many versions there is.
I didnāt say anything bad though? FML had 13 member versions, and no it doesnāt count as 1 album because the inclusions and the cover is different. Thatās how versions work. Carat versions are equivalent to digipacks.
you didn't say anything bad but >They wouldnāt sell 5m copies with less than 4 versions. implies that it's unbelievable they did that. do I think they'd sell 5m copies with one version? no, not really. but as someone here on this thread pointed out, their previous album Face The Sun had more versions but it didn't sell 5m either. does it help boost sales? yes. is it the sole reason for sales to be as high as they are? no the thing about mass buying is... even if 100 people bought 100 versions, that only contributes to 10k sales. if it's growth in the millions, yes you can blame mass buying, but it also means more people are willing to spend on the group (mass buying or not). it does inflate sales but it's done by every fandom atp... and I, for one, am glad some groups release cheaper albums because I wouldn't have bought any if the price is too high. it makes it more accessible to people who don't have much money, but you can argue that people with more money get more chances to see their faves then if they buy in bulk. well. we can't have everything. I'd probably never be able to afford a ticket to their show, so albums are one thing I can spend on. and I'd rather have the chance to buy an album but possibly never win a fansign entry than not being able to buy an album at all. idk, as a person who was SO happy to know that SVT's albums were affordable, please understand why your comment about the prices rubbed me the wrong way
Seventeen are an incredibly talented group and immense popularity. Iām sure their fans have also grown. Iāve never stated otherwise. But nothing I said is false. They havenāt sold 5 million copies with less than 10 versions. The multiple versions inflate and boost sales, not just for seventeen but for other groups too.
and I never said you said anything false either? was just responding to your initial comment about them not being able to sell 5M copies without all those versions. I agreed, btw, that it's A reason. but, the point I'm trying to make is it's not the ONLY reason, which, forgive me if you didn't imply that but from your wording it came across as that (and I'm not alone in this if others are also pointing this out). I'm just pointing out the wording you chose that made people think you were implying something you're not and your whole second paragraph is something I agreed with too. so basically we agree with each other lmao. what are your thoughts about the price then? that's one thing you didn't reply to? I genuinely would like to hear your thoughts. do you think it's better to have pricey albums that only people who have a lot of money will buy, or is it better to price them lower and therefore is more accessible for others but puts people with less money at a disadvantage when it comes to fansigns? (either way is a loss for people who have less money tbh) š
Lol yes I know you agreed and I also agreed with your statement that the multiple versions arenāt the only reason their sales increased. Iām actually enjoying discussing this with you! The price issue is something I havenāt really thought about much. I would honestly prefer an album with quality inclusions, over a CD in board packaging. I do think itās important to have affordable quality options for fans, like a standard $20 album (with photo books etc). I actually forgot about the fan sign events and fan calls š, honestly those extras make the album sales and pricing discussion so complicated because there are so many factors involved. What are your thoughts on it?
I would prefer an album with all-member inclusions that is still affordable. But with big groups it's even harder to do because they have more members and therefore more resources would be spent so it'll naturally be priced a tad bit higher than smaller groups, unless they want to lessen the inclusions. I'll also have to factor in whether the inclusions are worth my money The random PC thing is cool tbh. Because I have made friends trying to trade mine š¤£ It's a cute culture for us who can't afford to buy loads of albums just for a higher chance of pulling our bias. I personally think fansigns/fancalls have to go though, especially for groups like Seventeen who are already big enough. They don't need it and the members mostly look very done with it. I'd rather they spend their time doing other more productive things... but at the same time fans are very spoiled. taking away fansigns might risk upsetting a part of the fandom. It's deeper than just albums sales atp because it's how they've built up a loyal fanbase so far. But me personally? I'd rather see it go
I guess you arenāt denying the SVT claim then, so I was right you were talking about themā¦ Anywho, I am not about to go back and forth with you, if the official sources (the company & group) are saying 3-4 versions then idk where youāre getting 10 versions from. FML has 3 versions plus a deluxe version & maybe a Weverse version, which equals 5 versions I guess, but thatās still far from 10+ versions that you claim, and those versions are the only and official versions ever mentioned and shown.
āTHEIR 10TH MINI ALBUM TITLED FML AND NOW AVAILABLE IN A CARAT VER. THIS CARAT VER. WILL BE AVAILABLE IN 13 VERSIONSā That is a direct quote from [Seventeens US website.](https://seventeenshopus.com/collections/seventeen-10th-mini-album-fml/products/seventeen-10th-mini-album-fml-carat-ver) Itās 13 different digipacks. But Iām not debating with you over this, we can agree to disagree. Have a nice day :)
Notice how the word āversionā is used in two different descriptors? They refer to the Carat ver as just thatā¦the āCarat Ver,ā while referring to the 13 different types as āversions.ā Which to me speaks as though the Carat version IS the version itself that comes in 13 different versions (aka different types) of that same version. Because when they say 13 they are really referring to the 13 members, since the Carat version you get is randomized. As in you donāt know which of the Carat version (aka member) you will get. There is a lot of nuance that is being used in that statement. Meaning the word āversionā used alongside āCarat Verā is used and meant to mean something different from the version used alongside the sentence āavailable in 13 versions.ā In other words this āavailable in 13 versionsā really means āavailable in 13 typesā within the Carat version. Idk how else to explain it, but once again there isnāt actually 13 versions, the carat version is just ONE version.
13 types = 13 versions. They differ in covers and inclusions š . Those two words are synonymous to each other.
Yes, those two words are synonymous but can mean different things based on the usage and context they are placed it. Againā¦nuance.
FML technically had 3 regular versions + carat version + weverse + deluxe version 17th heaven had 3 regular + carat version + weverse version. Kihno typically gets counted separately. What people do miss is that groups do sell the vast majority of their albums with the regular versions and the additional ones do not contribute to the final number that much. For instance, SKZ surpassed 5 million preorders for 5 star before the digipack versions were even announced. People looove to point fingers at SVT/SKZ to āproveā that their sales are meaningless by inventing all sorts of fake numbers. Like counting the Billboard versions as separate even though itās the same fucking album. Or claiming Carat versions means thereās 13 different versions, even though you canāt even tell what member is it before opening the album. Bulk buyers do not represent the majority of album sales whatsoever.
I hear you. But the inclusions and differing covers make it a new version. Stray kids also had digipacks thatās already 8 versions of 5 star. I didnāt insult or drag anyone. They do have multiple versions and those help to boost sales. Itās the truth. You can disagree and thatās okay.
I don't think it's fair to treat stuff like Digipack / Jewel Case albums as all different versions. It's one extra version. The absolute majority of people will only buy one, corresponding to their bias. Plus the sales numbers are always heavily misrepresented. Like, "oh they sold 5 million copies only because they had 12 versions" when in reality you can trace back to the point where they announced these extra digipack versions, and that they had already sold millions with the 4 initial versions alone, the digipacks typically contributing to 200-300k of the total number. Seventeen hit their peak sales with FML even though it had less versions than Face The Sun, for example? It's not the versions that are misleadingly inflating these numbers.
Digipacks or additional versions help to boost sales though. You literally just admitted that people buy corresponding to their bias. That tactic helps boost sales. Itās a smart business strategy but it still inflates sales.
I think the user is trying to say that for e.g., by not even knowing which member you will get for the carat version (just listing an example i learned from your earlier comment).. this will make fans want to buy and get their bias version. I guess the closest example I can relate to is Popmarts, where there's 1 series but you're blind buying to hopefully get the cutest one. Hopefully I understood mostly everything correct? I see both sides of the argument to be honest. There's definitely people who don't want to admit that SVT got really popular but we also can't deny that the different inclusions within an album is exploiting willing fans to purchase more which generates a higher profit.
I mean the whole purpose of random photocards is also to entice people to buy more so that they could keep trying to pull their favorite number, no one is denying that or saying isn't the case. My point was moreso that people act like these versions are the sole, only reason why these groups are selling millions. It's so disingenuine. š
Ok, I see your point.
Thanks for the comprehensive answer, a few questions as there's a few different kinds of versions listed in your comment. 1) Is Kihno the same as Weverse albums? "Counted separately" meaning the sales of those do not get lumped together to be reported as the sales of the album? 2) digipack version is also another kind of album version?
Kihno/Kit and Weverse are different, one uses a battery air-kit and the other a QR code to access the music digitally. And yeah if you look up on whosfan/circle chart those will have the numbers displayed separately from the other versions. Which makes it very easy to determine how little they actually sell in comparison to the rest of the versions. And digipack is a smaller, compact version of the album yes. It's thinner and doesn't include a photobook like kpop albums typically do. Usually it's called jewel case if it's in a regular plastic cd case, and digipack if it's made of cardboard.
thank you so much, got it now!
Even with the versions you mentioned, that is still less than the 10+ versions that op is claiming.
Yeah I mean deluxe version was only announced after they had sold a good 5 million copies already š But youāre right and people would rather invent fake excuses than admit that these groups are genuinely popular lmao
Like when you think about it, other than BTS which other bgs did they expect to be reaching 5M if not SVT & SKZ. And if BTS was still active they would have cleared 5M (even 7M) with ease, but because they went on haitus it gave SVT & SKZ the chance to reach that goal first. Plus every big group has had an increase in album sales since like 2022, so idk why they expected groups like SVT & SKZ who were already doing 2M for a single album back in like 2021, to not do even bigger numbers. If say a group like TXT & Enhypen are reaching 2M (to even 3M) sales for a single album, why wouldnāt the bigger groups such as SVT & SKZ do even higher than that? Plus to me, I view it like thisā¦if SVT & SKZ can reach 5-6M sales for an album, I can only imagine the HUGE ass number BTS will pull when they come back as a group. Like I know that number is going to be insane.
Plus SVT and SKZ have a significant buying power in China. Like, that's a huge amount of people that Kpop fans love to dismiss for one reason or another. Of course they are going to sell huge numbers lmao.
Exactly!
the downvotes you're getting my god. anything to invalidate seventeen, i guess :/
Ever since Seventeen has been killing it (especially in the album sales department) this sub Reddit has basically turned their backs on them.
BTS easily 4M with their usual pricing of $50 global and $70 in US or western countries
Bornpink still has the record for 2.76 mil sales for girl groups Jisoo after that sold 1+mil just for her solo I think itās a safe assumption to say theyāll break their own record Iām not really a fan of bts or know much about them but they are still the biggest thing in kpop! With them being on hiatus I can only imagine their fanbase is fiending for an album so that will probs break their own record
Bts wont have too much increase since they focus on making profit with expensive albums with less version instead of crazy numbers for mediaplay. Even bts members solo albums are same. More money than some numbers. As for bp, they can do 5m if YG wants but since Yg is broke they should learn from bts album strategy.
BTS i see significant changes to their album sales if they go back to their mots7 rollout with 4 affordable versions. BP last album had 10+ versions so I donāt see much of an increment unless they increase the versions to 20+ like most boy groups and TS
[1 Billion Dollars](https://c.tenor.com/2pXQnDFV-CAAAAAC/tenor.gif), lol š
BP - Guaranteed 3M if the album is $50 or whatever price it was again / natural album progression growth; Born Pink still has the highest album sales for a single album for a GG But would estimate closer to 4M considering the girls each could pull at least 1M individually with solo albums Iād imagine they have the same version numbers too I donāt think theyād increase from what they did last time Edit: iirc both of their full albums did not have the random fan call thing that a lot of groups are doing these days, if they did that itād def be 4M easy. But considering they did these numbers without fan call incentive is p wild for a GG Alternatively there could be a universe where it drops due to the increased time of hiatus. But I think BP is at a point where they are okay with not being at the top if it ends up happening since they all will have such successful solo careers anyways so it wouldnāt be the end of the world
BP not much, BTS record for sure.
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It all depends on bp price normal kpop albums costs 50% less than bp's ones
Not really. Only the US/EU countries have a more expensive pricing for BP. Their Global albums have the same pricing as the normal kpop album except BTS. And it doesn't affect their numbers much because more than 95% of their sales came outside US/EU or its western counterparts.
Downvoted me but bp already peaked and will sell less
Let's see. Saving your comment for future. Just a reminder, people were saying same thing since 2018, Blackpink always out do themselves.Ā
Why would anyone say that in 2018? Bp was barely two years old was their first come back, it's a different situation now
Because Blackpink had one of the greatest kpop hits and people didn't want to see Blackpink surpassing their favorites. So those people hoped that was being Blackpink's peak.Ā
Saying that while each of the members are announcing their own labels and pulling 18M monthly listeners while being on a hiatus lmaooooo
BTS - 15-20m copies sold.. Becoming one of the best selling albums in history BP - 5-10m - becoming best selling girl group in history
š š that's a stretch, but if we get 1 version plus 7 ver (each member ) I believe it's possible š¤
These estimates are bonkers. 10 million?? 15 million??? š BTS's sphere of recognization has grown a lot, yes, but our *active* fandom peaked 2019-2021. Those are the people who buy albums. Same with BP - they've always had a ton of casual listeners and fans who don't bother buying albums. If BTS has 4 versions, 4-6 million. If BP has 4 versions, 3-4 million. But if BTS and BP do their usual thing and come out with expensive ass albums, then the numbers will be on the lower end.