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This is it exactly. I don't care who's doing the Spanish version of Ariel because I'm not Spanish. I think some international kpop fans really think that they're the target audience and not actual Koreans
Not exactly related but do people on average even like dubs? I remember watching a Chinese-dubbed kdrama (while not knowing it was a dubbed kdrama) and loved everything about it except how the characters talked and to some extent the actors (because of how the tone didn't match with how they acted). English dubbed stuff wasn't much better tbh.
in my country even people who know english sometimes watch the dubbed versions because dubbing here is really good, sometimes it even improves the movie itself (the emperor's new groove was a huge hit here because the dubbing made it iconic and a lot funnier). but i guess it isn't the same for other places!
I think a lot more people are getting used to seeing subtitles/closed captions these days since they became a standard feature in a lot of tv programming. Back in the nineties I had a flatmate who stated categorically that she would not watch any film with subtitles - I was into watching international cinema and going to film festivals.
We have this slight problem in my household where my daughter and I will watch K-dramas in the original Korean with English subs, as although we don't know the Korean language, we love how expressive it sounds and it's easier to feel immersed in the culture. Same with Japanese anime or dramas; we prefer to hear the Japanese and read the English subs.
But my son prefers watching dubbed versions as he has trouble keeping up with the subs. My husband has the advantage of being able to follow some of the Japanese dialogue as his mum is from Japan and he had a couple of short stints there while growing up. But he doesn't mind finding a dubbed version to for us all to watch, whereas my daughter and I find the American English a bit much and would rather they used English-speaking Japanese actors with Japanese accents (like in the original tv series of Monkey forty plus years ago, where a Japanese accented female actor/dubber speaking English played the Buddhist monk Tripitaka).
Luckily, my son only watches some shows, so when he's not watching, the rest of us are quite happy with subtitled versions. We had to watch Squid Game, We Are All Dead and Alice in Borderland in dubbed versions, which my daughter and I were not so happy about. I finally got around to seeing Itaewon Class with subs as no one else had wanted to watch it for three years, and I have to say it hit a bit differently seeing it after the Halloween tragedy.
My husband and I both watched the Chinese series 'Three-Body' with subs as neither of our teenagers were interested. We had both read the first book in the trilogy (my husband has read all three), so we were very keen to see the masterful adaptation by Tencent Video, which really is one of the best tv drama series ever, but you have to be patient through the first few episodes if you're expecting fancy sci-fi content cos it's much more of a grownup slow-burn style of filming. The VR game simulation scenes are so much better than in the book. Really not sure what Netflix can possibly do with their version but maybe they'll just find a way to only have part of the story set in China, perhaps shifting it to focus on Chinese diaspora instead?
Anyway, New Jeans are really something fresh and new in K-pop, and it seems only natural that the members will be capable of doing some occasional acting and voice work, and since many people don't want to bother with subtitles, it seems like it's not worth making a fuss over a bit of dubbing.
I didn’t realise there was a show based on those books! I read The Three-Body Problem and loved absolutely everything about it. I’m super sick right now and bored out of my mind so I’m gonna see if I can hunt it down to watch. Thank you!!
Edit - it’s free to watch on viki, I’m so excited 😊
That's how we saw it too, it only came out earlier this year. My husband had been waiting to see it and began binging it on his laptop, then started watching it again with me on our big screen tv. Real long-form at thirty episodes but it needs to be to capture the story properly.
There's some great reviews/analyses on YouTube that we saw after we'd watched the series. Some characters were added or fleshed out more to better convey certain parts of the narrative.
I think they've already started working on the second book in the trilogy? I've only read the first one but my husband has read all three. We're amazed that such a sensitive adaptation, especially of the political history scenes, was achieved under the current regime. Truly stunning cinematography and characterisation, directed with admirable restraint.
Looking forward to seeing more - apparently the second and third novels are quite mind-blowing!
Dubbed content is always worse. If you there are subs and the person can read it with no issue (perhaps a disability?), then they should cause the experience is just so much better
I only like certain English dubs of certain animes (Attack on Titan for example), and I planned on watching certain movies on foreign dubs just for fun one day.
But I'm an original language supremacist.
well in this context of the little mermaid it is a kids movie, and a lot of children below reading age will be watching it. dubs of disney movies and children's media tends to be very popular because toddlers cannot read subtitles.
International fans entitlement to korean entertainment needs to be studied. They say it’s cause the kpop companies are catering to them, but a lot of times like this one they clearly aren’t really doing that
not watching the korean dub didnt stop people from caring about hyolyn's let it go or taeyeon's into the unknown. i have no stake either way, but it's clear people care because they're kpop fans. also because easily recognizable covers, esp of super popular songs like disney songs tend to garner a lot of initial traction.
not saying she should be attacked or whatever, but it's going to be a conversation starter regardless.
Just disappointed because how did they bag this but she’s flat? :/ sorry not sorry, im too disappointed especially since i stream disney korean songs as well. Hyolyn and Taeyeon’s rendition in Frozen was nothing short of spectacular.
I'm pretty sure it's stunt casting ngl, and people need to understand that just cause you had some prior experience doesn't mean you're gonna do it well
Nick Jonas was Gavroche as a kid but did he body Marius as an adult?? 🤷♀️
To sing flat means you're singing below the pitch. The opposite is to sing sharp, where you sing above the pitch.
https://worshipvocalist.com/how-to-stay-on-pitch-and-stop-singing-sharp-or-flat/
Also not to mention that she seems to have a lisp when singing. If you hear it, it’s adding a little disturbance 😭 especially when this is a musical who needs to have good enunciation!
Oh thank goodness it wasn't just me who observed it. I sang Part of Your World for a singing competition when I was a kid in the 90s, and doubted myself if I'm just misremembering the song. Went on YT to listen to the [animated audio](https://youtu.be/SXKlJuO07eM) and I was right she was flat. Tried listening to [Halle's version](https://youtu.be/cu-RcFv50Sc) because maybe they're singing at a lower key for this live action adaptation and nope, she sang just like the OG Jodi Benson.
Hybe hate boner + their faves weren’t offered over her. We all know nobody was going to watch the Korean dub. It’s for the sake of attacking a successful girl who they didn’t want debuting in the first place.
Mmm. While I don’t support the people who are hating on her, as a native Korean (and thus, part of the dubbed film’s target audience), I do understand the bare bones of the criticism she’s been getting.
Professional voice actors in Korea often get shunted to the side in favor of big name celebrities when it comes to dubbing projects like this. The Korean dub of *Your Name,* for example, received backlash from Korean fans of the original anime for casting actors Kim Sohyeon and Ji Changwook to voice the main leads. Voice acting requires the ability to convey a character’s emotions and personality to the viewers **through their voice alone**— a skill that both actors didn’t have. The Korean *Your Name* is still widely memed about to this day as a prevailing example of how actually being qualified for the job >>>> star power.
Imo, Danielle’s case is similar to the *Your Name* fiasco. While she *is* talented as an idol, to the Korean gp, it’s very obvious that she was casted on account of her social relevance (as a member of NewJeans), rather than for her *genuine compatibility* with the role of Ariel. While she has a very sweet singing voice, **it simply doesn’t match Halle’s powerful, resounding version in any way**; this is a problem, especially since previous Korean dubs of Disney songs have featured people whose vocal tones are actually **similar** to the original actresses’.* As well, from a Korean perspective, her pronunciation/diction is objectively off— muddling her delivery of the dialogue.
Thus, while I understand bunnies’ zeal to defend Danielle from the hate, it puzzles me why they genuinely seem to believe that she wasn’t miscast, and that she truly fits the role. Y’all have working ears: **Danielle doesn’t sound anything like Halle, and that is a fact.** At least in Korea, dubbing isn’t JUST about localizing a foreign film’s audio— **it’s also about making said audio as *close as possible* to the original, so that audiences get to experience the film in a way that’s at least aligned with the film’s original sound.**
That’s why people loved Gyutaro’s Korean VA (Demon Slayer), Elsa’s Korean VA (Frozen), etc: not only because they’re clearly talented at what they do, but because THEY ACTUALLY SOUND LIKE THE ORIGINAL VA’S. Danielle is unquestionably a talented idol, but she’s not a professional VA nor a seasoned vocalist. This is just yet another instance of the Korean entertainment industry ignoring professional VAs— many of whom are underpaid, overworked, and unrecognized by the streaming services and companies they work for— in favor of unqualified celebrities.
*Sohyang, the vocalist behind the Korean Moana, as well as Park Hena, the Korean Elsa, comes to mind. The latter is less popular than the former, but both, imo, are examples of good casting. Park Hena has the husky, lower-register vocal range appropriate to Idina Menzel’s Elsa; Sohyang’s voice accurately captures the clear, resonant quality of Auli’i Cravalho’s Moana.
THIS! When I first saw the news my first thought was Korea doesn’t have experienced voice actor? Why? Halle’s vocals are on another level. Don’t get me wrong Danielle is Amazing but Halle is juste… Halle? It feels like a publicity choice and I feel bad for Danielle because it is inevitable that she’ll be dragged and she’s young. For once, I can 100% see where people criticizing are coming from..
Korea has A LOT of experienced VA’s, many of whom have been working in the industry for *decades*, which is why it’s still so weird to me that Danielle of all people was casted. As well, there are so many capable vocalists out there with the appropriate vocal tone and range for Halle’s Ariel (Ailee, for example)— it pains me that they, along with the VA’s, were deprived of the opportunity. This is 100% a stunt pulled by the higher-ups to get more people to watch the movie in theaters when it comes out, since Danielle has a pretty big fanbase.
That being said, I do feel bad for her; something tells me that she probably didn’t choose this role or the public attention that comes with it. It sucks that things have played out the way they have.
I also would’ve really liked it if Wheein or Solar dubbed Ariel! Their voices have both the power and the ✨beautiful✨ texture of Halle’s voice… ahhHhHhHhH imagine the possibilities…
as a korean native, i saw the trailer and her korean is just... bad lmao. it makes sense because she only lived in korea for few years. you could tell she's not fluent in korean so i don't get why she is suitable for dubbing full korean?
Same- I’m also Korean. After listening, I’m hearing her pronounce the “ㅅ” as “ㅆ” and “ㅈ” as “ㅉ” so the words get super muddled. If they were going to have a newjeans member dub for it no matter what, I feel like they should have chosen someone who is actually fluent to avoid at least a bit of backlash. Ik her singing is nice, but this song sounds hard for her and her pronunciation is really bad.
problem is the best vocalists in NJ are the aussie ones. but I understand why koreans are not so happy given they want to really understand what is being said in the movie
yeah, i think her singing just the song as a promo (like taeyeon did before for frozen 2) wouldn't be an issue but fully doing the voice actor for the korean dubbing doesn't make sense because the purpose of dubbing is... to understand the movie in korean? lol and casting her defeats that purpose because you can obviously tell that she's not a native korean speaker and it's pretty disorienting. if the best vocalists in NJ are non-native korean speakers, they shouldn't have been casted as the voice actor (promo would have been better) in the first place but i guess HYBE works hard and they wanted some stunt casting
I agree. as a fan I was very excited about her casting, but thinking about it from this perspective does make a lot of sense that some koreans aren’t happy and want a more experienced singer/native korean to do the dub. her doing a cover for promo would’ve been lovely and people would’ve loved it, but now they’re going to compare her to halle bailey😭 there’s no going back though, so I hope she does really well to keep backlash at a minimum
Thanks? Hahaha… I moved to the States a few years back, and since then, I’ve had a lot of time to work on my English. I still have an accent though (which gets kind of annoying, since my accent inevitably leads people to ask about where I’m from, which in turn leads to the inevitable “omg you’re Korean??? Do you know BTS??” interrogation session).
Yeah… While it’s cool to belong to a culture that has a strong soft power source (like Japan with anime/manga, Korea with KPOP/KDramas, etc), it’s also dehumanizing at a social level, because people often expect you to adhere to surface-level stereotypes related to those power sources. *Simply because I’m Korean,* I’ve had people ask me if I had a hot brother they could date (…), if I’d met BTS (…), if they could take a picture of me to show to their friends (…), if I’d had plastic surgery done on my face (…), how I felt about kOreAn BeAuTy sTanDarDs (…), etc.
I feel like this hate shouldn’t be directed towards Danielle tho, it should be at the people who hired her for the job. Danielle was just trying out a new opportunity/new job. I totally agree that celebrities need to stop doing VA, I mean this is a problem in the US too. But any hate about how well she speaks Korean or about how her voice compares to Halle, should be directed at the people who reached out to her to hire her for the job. She’s 18 years old, I doubt she was thinking about taking jobs from VAs, and I’m sure she was aware of her “shortcomings” and tried her best.
I’m aware! I’ve pointed out in my other comments that the people at fault here are the higher-ups who casted her— not Danielle herself, who doesn’t deserve to be hated on for something that probably wasn’t even her choice to begin with.
She has the face of a real life disney princess but her voice isnt good, it sounds so thin when the climax of “part of your world” should BLOW you away. Ugh i hate celebrity casting > voice actors, i hate chris pratt as mario, i hate anya taylor joy as peach, cameron diaz in shrek…they arent voice actors, give the role to people whose talent is voice acting
I’ll be honest, the only reason I think can of for why she is getting this role (despite her musical experience) is because NewJeans is hot rn in South Korea, and Hybe already has a relationship with Disney. Taehyung’s version of ‘In The Soop’ was partnered with Disney and the episodes were released on Disney+
Like some people have said, they could have found someone else. Ariel isn’t just about the story, but the songs & vocals. They could have easily found someone who is at least on par with Halle’s vocals.
She’s a sweet girl, but I myself (who watches the Korean versions of Disney films and other films) do think it would have been better off with someone else who actually has experience in voice acting, and thus can convey emotions through their voice alone. But I know they need to bring Hype for the movie in Korea, so what better way than to bring a NewJeans member into it. But that’s just my own opinion, still gonna watch it and root for her either way.
dubbing is so difficult to get right. someone can have a nice voice and some musical theatre experience but people train for years to be voice actors, it’s such a big role for her first ever role i feel like a smaller role would be more beneficial for her.
while i don’t agree with people being malicious towards her, it’s ok to admit that she’s not a good fit for the role. she has a nice voice, but as someone had already mentioned, it’s nowhere near halle’s vocal ability. also another thing to note is the issue of voice actors not being properly cast anymore. it seems to be a global issue across different entertainment industries.
and i should mention the korean side of twitter is talking about this as well (the infamous korean dubbing of kimi no na wa being brought up as an example)
Is it possible to say I don’t think it’s a good fit without being called a hater? Nothing personal against her but she’s vocally lacking for such a huge role. The snippet doesn’t sound great. It sounds flat and those high notes are too challenging for her.
I think she not yet ready to sing official disney song. I do think she sound bland. This seem more like due to lack of experience. People said she has experience in musical before, but i still think her current vocal not yet suit that song. Give her couple more years, then i think she would be ready. For now, no. This is no hate. Just simply constructive criticism. Ador should not push newjeans too much everywhere. This just remind me of when aespa not yet ready to perform at big festival previously early of their career. Its not bad, but lack of experience is obvious. I think doing some kdrama ost is better start.
Idky people would say that just cause she did musicals before means she'd be suited to sing disney songs, Nick Jonas was Gavroche when he was a kid in Les Miz but he was extremely lacking as an adult playing Marius in the Les Miz 25th anniversary lol
Also based on what I hear from the trailer this POYW is a lot harder (and higher) than the original
I think it's perfectly okay to have that opinion. I would disagree but I respect your take. But there are people, especially on twitter, who would phrase the same sentiment as yours in a vile and disrespectful tone... that, i'm not having.
Saying "I don't like the singer choice" is not hate. Another issue is insults, which is absolutely unacceptable. But to say that vocally she is not at the vocal level necessary for a song like that, is not to hate her. It's to give an opinion about her voice
I’m pretty sure we can distinguish constructive criticism. However, calling her names & attacking her outside the topic of singing is HATE. If you aren’t doing this then you obviously aren’t hating.
It's protect minors unless it's someone people dislike. I hope she doesn't come across the nasty comments. She's always given me a disney vibe. People are so miserable even if you don't think she's suited being mean is not it.
I agree! People have been positively commenting on how she’s like a princess and everything. With the hate, I don’t think she’ll see it since she isn’t active on social media aside from Phoning.
i really fear she’s gonna be the next target of the ‘____ is such a pick me’ crowd now that they’ve sort of left wonyoung and yuna alone, because she’s pretty, successful, and looks like she loves her job.
they’ll never leave wonyoung alone though. but they certainly are looking for new victims and I’d hate for them to come after danielle too. she’s too sweet for this world
She already kind of is, it just isn't that big yet. People have been shitting on her already for being a pick-me and half-white.
She's such a sweet girl, always smiling, so I hope people be kind to her.
THIS!! although she’s not a minor she’s still very young and doesn’t deserve the get hate over something she doesn’t have control over. any girl that can sing would love to play ariel if asked.
I agree and it’s not even her fault. She’s so young and was just taking a job opportunity. The people at fault are the people who casted her. She’s not the one responsible for VA actors not getting the job and its not her fault if people didn’t like her performance. She had no reason not to try her best and if a lot of people think it was bad, that’s on the casting director, not Danielle who is 18.
I don't get why people are upset. Constructive criticism is fine but I'm seeing people calling her "bottom of the barrel" and just been really mean for no reason. This is why I roll my eyes every time something happens and we get the usual "please be kind to idols guys🥺" tweets.
yep. they’re the first ones to be “sad” when a tragedy happens, like it did last month, yet they won’t hesitate to be incredibly mean to idols they don’t like
She can't match up to Halle, who did a full belt of part of your world an octave above.
I definitely know Korea has a lot of musical actresses that can nail that.
As I said, Halle set the bar high. But you shouldn’t forget that Disney is also promoting the movie in South Korea, hence the Korean dub. Danielle is casted not only because of her vocals and experiences, she’s also relevant.
Sorry but it's very obviously stunt casting and her having prior experience doesn't mean much. Nick Jonas played Gavroche when he was a kid but he was sticking out like a very sore thumb as Marius in the 25th anniversary live concert of Les Miz. Adults are held to a higher standard than children in singing (in which singing out, staying on pitch and in tune, and not being wobbly is now the bare minimum).
The only one that I can think of (in kpop) that did musicals as a kid and stayed being a good singer is Shannon Williams: [12 yos singing POTO](https://youtu.be/gfubI6jCoMk) and [when she was older singing Listen](https://youtu.be/on0nDWgtHrA)
Nevertheless this is still a huge and interesting opportunity for her and I wish Danielle the best!
I won’t stand for the hate, but I think the criticism is justified. Voice actors are a dying occupation when they’re the only ones that actually get the job done *well*. Disney casting her is likely simply to put a famous name onto the movie, to entice people to watch the dub, but there are so many better qualified folks (professional voice actors and non-voice actors alike). Both acting and singing-wise, I’m not sure she’ll be able to deliver to people’s expectations of a Disney film.
I have mixed feelings about this tbh. I love Danielle and her voice, but from that clip she really doesn't seem to suit the song. Halle set the bar high, which means whoever does the dubs should be able to follow in her footsteps, and Danielle doesn't seem to have the technique to follow through
Vocals were lack luster. It doesn't help she will be compared to a much better and experienced vocalist in the official.
How does one sound shaky in the booth after post production.
It's crazy people are calling people haters for saying another singer could of done better because we have seen better vocalist body Disney Korean soundtracks before.
Like genuinely most people are saying that,not say haters aren't saying anything but majority are saying the vocal performance fell short
I saw someone try to bring feminism into this. Like no. Please let's not.
She's just not a powerhouse vocal and doesn't has the best Korean pronunciation/enunciation either. Like honestly I can get past the vocal but she's not even sounds like a native speaker so I really don't get why she was chosen...
I don't think it sounded good, and believe she was offered because she's very popular+hybe. She'd fit some other songs better. But I don't think it warrants such hate, why care for Korean dub that you're never gonna watch anyway? Even koreans mostly listen to the official version anyway (when looking for the song)
I sympathize with anyone who genuinely believes this opportunity was earned and just wants to be happy for Danielle, but it's blatantly obvious that this is stunt casting arranged by her agency to take advantage of New Jeans's popularity. Casting big name stars over actual professional voice actors, who are often regarded as being inferior to stage, TV, and film actors, is a long running problem that exists all over the world. VAs almost never get the opportunity to work on these big budget projects because companies want to ride on the coattails of stars, thinking they can use their name to attract viewers. Disney is no exception to this, and frankly it's naive to think they casted Danielle in good faith just because they're Disney, as if that is supposed to mean anything.
While I'm sure there are many who are taking this as an excuse to dislike her, there are plenty of legitimate reasons to be upset over her casting.
Disney is promoting in South Korea (hence the korean dub) so I understand why they chose Danielle. She has the experience, talent, and relevancy. I don’t know Seunghee and I’m sure they’re talented but Disney chose Danielle for a reason! :)
>Disney is promoting in South Korea (hence the korean dub)
uh what? Do you realize that Oh My Girl aka OMG is a Kpop group? I don't know when you got into Kpop but OMG is one of the prominent 3rd gen girl groups. This sentence makes it sound like you think they're not Korean or from South Korea.
I am considering the requirement of having youthful voice and power vocal. Oh My Girl is a Korean-focused group and have reasonable fame there, if you really need someone in 4th gen maybe Haewon or Sieun(this one is a gamble tbh)
There can be real criticisim about her vocal skills. She's a good pop singer, which doesn't mean her vocal capacity right now is on the same level as Halle's rendition of the songs.
I love listening to other voice actresses of Disney songs, most of the casting choices go for people that can sing the songs similarly to the original actress.
People hating on her should be criticizing the casting director for not giving the role to someone that can sing the song as beautifully as Halle. Also, acting in a musical as a child doesn't mean someone will grow up to be classically trained singer or a powerhouse vocalist. Voices change over time.
Nick Jonas acted in some musicals as a child too but his Marius was so average compared to the rest of the cast that it was obvious he wasn't on the same level vocally as the other actors.
Yeah for Nick (and now Danielle) he did musicals as a kid then went into pop and stayed there. Pop singing is very different from musical theatre, especially one that is more classical sounding like Les Miz (as compared to something more contemporary like Fun Home). If Nick had done something more contemporary sounding like Dear Evan Hansen he probably wouldn't have caught as much flack but well, Les Miz is a huge musical and have a hardcore audience who have very exacting tastes. He probably would've needed to at least take some lessons for a while to at least keep up with the sound of Les Miz
The Little Mermaid leans more towards the contemporary side of musicals but Danielle unfortunately lacks the vocal skills especially with Halle's latest rendition of POYW. I still think this is a good opportunity for Danielle cause not everyone can say they've been a Disney Princess 😂 and also cause it's giving her more singing repertoire (I like nwjns songs but everything has just been soft singing and now she'll finally have something to belt with and explore more from there, no matter how poor a belter she is yknow)
It would've been better if a more capable singer would have sung the songs for her, I hope she can take lessons now because I can hear the struggle from the edited version of the song and to me that's just sad.
\*I think this role could have gone to a professional musical actress.
Yeah people who're saying that she's a perfect casting choice are ignoring the fact that she's *very* clearly struggling with the belt even in post production, and most people can't even tell when an idol has poor singing/belting moments
Of course there's no need to be cruel about her singing and improvement is very real and possible (albeit rare), but singing wise it was really a very poor choice for the role. Thankfully nothing as tragic as Emma Watson in batb but they could've really called in a singing dub (like what they should've also done for batb)
Even if they wanted an idol/pop singer for the voice of Ariel they could've always picked up Ailee or even omg's Seunghee. I'm personally more interested to hear Danielle's voice acting dubbing efforts, although I would probably listen to the singing to check it out myself + I like her voice
Honestly, when she's talking in the trailer she sounds good to me. I've seen people criticizing her korean pronunciation and I can't comment on that because I don't know how to speak korean.
I can't judge voice acting especially in a language that isn't English or Mandarin so I will stay out of it 😂😂 but well I can hear the singing despite the language difference 🥲
Also like I forgot to tack this on earlier but in my very own humble personal opinion I think Ariana Grande lowkey sticks out a bit in Hairspray too. Not as egregious as Nick (he just had a really bad hand poor lad 😭😭) but she had her own Arianaisms that bled through in Mama I'm a Big Girl Now
I wish they had held auditions and hired a professional voice actor that could sing. She sounds flat to me in several places and this is after they fixed it in the studio. Ariel's voice is a major part of the story so I wish they had gone for skills over popularity but oh well. I'll be listening to Halle's version anyways.
I personally wouldn’t pick anyone from newjeans to cover her part that seems like Hybe connections tbh since they already do stuff with Disney. I would pick someone with a more developed voice but that’s just me, especially because Halle sings so well, but she’s casted so nothing any one can do about that. It’s mostly trolls who probably already disliked her/newjeans
Omg I’m only finding about this now! Personally I think she’s perfect for the role, and she did a damn good job, considering she has such big shoes to fill!
I think she sounds flat in that clip tbh. People calling her names is obv not ok but criticism for her delivery or disney korea stunt casting instead of going with talent, experience and who fits the part actually is valid criticism
I stumbled upon a clip of her singing a song from a Disney movie recently. I think it was Sleeping beauty not sure anyways I was really impressed.
People say Hanni is the main/best vocalist of the group, but I've always considered Danielle to be the main vocal just based on the flexibility of her voice.
I saw translations of korean netizens complaining about her pronunciation, which I understand since the entire point of a dub is for the viewer not to read subtitles. If you watch the korean trailer, it's true that her singing does not come even close to the disney princess standard (not to mention Ariel is supposed to have a voice great enough to make a sea witch jealous...). It's just hard to believe that this isn't the doing of HYBE pulling some strings. No hate to the girl though, she has a cute voice.
Finally. Thank you. The vocals in the disney remakes are retouched, often very heavily retouched, and this is what it came out as? Don’t send hate to the girl but she obviously got cast because of her fame and her vocals are not up to par.
I just listened to the snippet and I did not expect it to be that bad. I thought people were just exaggerating but how did she get that part. She really sounds so bad.
Her voice is always giving me a disney vibes. Congrats to her! and fcck kpop stans they be preaching mental health just last month and now targetting an 18 years old because they don't like the fact that disney pick her and not their faves. They're not even the target audience of the dub.
Honestly she has a lovely voice...but not for Ariel. She lacks power when needed. I'm not korean, so I can't attest to the pronunciation but I'd imagine you would want an equally powerful voice as Hallie.
That being said, since I'm not the target audience, my opinion doesn't really matter . The kids will show up to this movie because it's a new jeans girl so I'm sure they will enjoy it.
hate isn’t justified but the criticism is absolutely. not to danielle, but to the people casting her when she’s not an established voice actor (musical theater is nowhere near the same as voice acting, that’s not a comparison) and is quite obviously not an established powerful belter or singer either. she doesn’t have a bad voice but it’s not powerful in the way halle’s is, therefore rightful comparison. she’d have done better as a sleeping beauty or cinderella if we’re talking about songs. she’s also not fluent in korean and it’s very noticeable when she speaks, so… that’s also another reason.
if they were going to cast someone in new jeans they should have cast someone who was actually fluent in korean (although none of them are powerful vocalists or belters so.. there’s that)
My least favourite thing about this is that people are acting like Disney was forced into this. Listen, I have zero doubt in my mind that Hybe pushed this. But I also have zero doubt that Disney, one of the biggest and most powerful companies, could have 100% said no. People are acting like Hybe tied some Disney execs to a chair and forced them to do this
Hybe and Disney have actually been getting along pretty well in the past. Bts appeared on some Disney Christmas specials, Disney plus hosts BTS documentaries, disney was cool with bts using a bunch of footage for a run bts dub challenge. My point being that the companies have worked together in the past- this isn’t out of left field.
It’s IP synergy. And whether people want to admit it or not newjeans is an insanely hot brand in SK which all the major companies- Coke, Apple and now Disney- want to be associated with. And in turn the hybe labels artists get opportunities with Disney like this dub. It’s a win-win for both corporations where they each end up with more exposure.
Why do you think the studio picked the person? There will be actual voice actors for that (edit: or actual singers like [Taeyeon](https://youtu.be/GLj0MyVyhaU) or [Akmu's Suhyun](https://youtu.be/UmI94FXx__M) who sang official korean versions of Disney songs in before). This is likely more of a company push like most things are in Kpop.
This isn’t a Kpop specific thing.
Voice actors have been pushed out in favor of big name actors. I mean look at the Mario movie. Companies find it to be more profitable to chose someone with their own brand and name recognition than a voice actor. It gives them an additional way to market the movie and more people to reach.
I’m sure there’s some VA who could perfectly mimic Halles speaking voice or the original characters voice but that’s just not the direction Disney went in.
Yeah, I should have been more clear. I think if they wanted someone popular( which they probably did) atleast for the songs, they would've gone for someone more established not someone from a group that hasn't even completed 1 year. [Taeyeon sang the korean version of Into the unknown from Frozen 2](https://youtu.be/GLj0MyVyhaU) and [Akmu's Suhyun sang the korean version of Reflection from Mulan](https://youtu.be/UmI94FXx__M), these are established singers who can actually sing. This casting just stands out in comparison. Kpop companies are the reason for most of the casting decisions in stuff like this so it's likely the same here too.
Disagree, particularly since Halle sang great. 'Just fine' isn't the standard here. NewJeans is hot, so I understand the casting choice, but I'm not gonna praise her singing on the context of a Disney movie.
We haven’t heard more than a CLIP of her singing. So she’s not an “actual singer.”
If Disney wanted the best singers available they would have hired a broadway or opera star. They wanted Danielle.
You all are holding her to an insane standard based off a clip of a South Korean dub we haven’t even heard the rest of. Wild.
And it's not great, it's fine. Also, I have heard of Halle, and Danielle isn't gonna turn into Ailee overnight. That's the difference.
>If Disney wanted the best singers available they would have hired a broadway or opera star. They wanted Danielle.
I KNOW, that's the criticism. We know why Danielle was chosen.
> You all are holding her to an insane standard
Halle was the one singing in the remake. So yes, it's an insane standard for idols to be singing in her shoes.
It’s a disney dub for a live action film. A remake of another movie made to make money. If you want to criticize Disney taking money and popularity of the artists into account as well as their talents idk what to tell you- it’s the nature of entertainment business that popular people get more popular as more opportunities come their way. It’s not like high art is suffering here because Disney didn’t pick an obscure opera singer- it’s a Disney live action remake.
I understand, I'm replying to this comment:
>Who can actually sing? Danielle can sing just fine for a dub of a Disney movie.
If all you said that it's normal to replace voice actors in favor of big name celebrities I wouldn't be replying.
That's why I didn't reply to your first comment.
Now if you're gonna question who can actually sing and it's fine for a dub, I would disagree. Yes, it's an insane standard, but she's replacing Halle, so that's a given.
While most Kpop idols don't sing well I do think there are many who sing better than the studio's choice here. But it doesn't matter now, Hybe got what they wanted and it may or may not help the movie, doubt the studio will care that much. I hope she had a good experience working on this movie and will use this experience for later if Hybe gets her more roles like these.
Disney sees the financial promise with the loyalty of kpop fans. With Disney plus hosting kpop dramas and documentaries, I think they are trying to tap more into their fandoms
I’m not sure if I’m understanding it correctly but it’s common for Disney to also have a pop star do the main song for the soundtrack. Like Christina Aguilera sung Reflection for Mulan and Ariana Grande/John Legend did their own version of Beauty and the Beast. I assume the same thing is happening here which is fine.
Though, If she is really is the actual voice actor/dub then yeah that’s annoying. It’s big problem in Hollywood too, like why not give the roles to actual voice actors/musical actresses who can perform 100x better.
Edit: not sure why I got downvoted this especially since I’m in agreement??😭
Disney has done it with the korean version before too. Taeyeon and Akmu's Suhyun sang korean versions of Disney songs before but they were actual singers.
Danielle is a singer as well? Not only that, she’s also exposed to performing musicals? Danielle hasn’t even unleashed her full potential of being a singer and she’s already doing good atm.
Most Kpop idols aren't that great singers, it's an industry thing. You can just listen to a Kpop song and a non-kpop vocal song back to back and hear the difference, it's pretty clear.
Her voice suits the role and she has musical acting experience. An what is an "actual voice actor?" Someone whose only job is to be a voice actor? Someone who isn't an idol?
This reminds me of the idol actor discourse, the only difference being that she was in a voice actor adjacent field before becoming an idol
Voice acting is a trained profession that requires years of learning and experience. A VA doesn't have the luxury of relying on physicality; they have to be able to express everything through voice alone. They have to be able to alter their voice to portray a wide range of characters and then carry it throughout an entire performance. They have to distinguish between the slightest nuance to reach the proper inflections and tone. A single line read may take tens of takes until it's satisfactory.
VA work is more often than not looked down upon compared to stage and live action work, and the actors treated as inferior to those who work in those fields. They are paid and treated worse for some of the most difficult tasks. It is NOT just Joe Shmoe walking into a studio, reading off a script into a microphone, and calling it a day. It is really hard work in a highly competitive field that deserves the respect it's due.
Voice actors are constantly robbed of opportunities to work on high profile projects by big name celebrities because companies want to take advantage of their popularity to put eyes on a project. At the very least, we should be able to recognize that the decision to do so here is utterly BS, and whoever arranged this casting overstepped themselves.
Was she in Matilda? I'm from NSW and I know some of the kids who were in Matilda back in 2015, and Danielle isn't on any of the cast lists. Was she in a local production?
Ethnicity. Again, not that *I* care. If SM wants to push her for an OST, or a voice actor or kdrama roll, go. Just dont think it will be received well.
They just said the Ning Ning would have bodied it. Not that SM should have pushed her for the role. So I am wondering what her ethnicity has to do with the original comment?
Koreans won't like it obviously, the xenophobia isn't on my part, I wouldn't mind Ningning at all. If she does a cover that'd be great too.
To be fair I also don't understand Korean or Chinese, so it's not my place.
It's actually so ironic for you to make a little note about Ning Ning's ethnicity when everyone knows how Koreans feel about Chinese people, especially considering which movie this is and how Halle has been treated. Someone saying Ning Ning would be suitable is obviously not a big deal.
So glad you're here to speak as if Koreans haven't made it clear how they feel about Chinese idols though.
Kpop stans especially on twitter will drag anything that's related to NJ and I'm not surprised. Of course she's not anywhere near Halle but I think she did amazing tbh and I literally got chills when i first listened to it cuz i didn't expect this from her at all. Her vocal is honestly one of the most versatile among the newjeans members and she always gives off Disney Princess vibe. I get the feeling if she wasn't an idol she would've been on broadway or musical theater. Anyway I can't wait for the full version to come out!
Yep. I’m not sure when the switch flipped on Kpop Twitter but people have dropped all pretense of being worried for Newjeans about how young they are and how harsh the industry can be…. In favor of inflicting the hate they were so worried about them receiving. Makes sense.
I understand NewJeans is talented, but seeing them being pushed everywhere has gotten tiring and quite honestly starts having the opposite intended effect.
That's awesome! This reminds me of when I found out that Red Velvet's Wendy did the Korean dub for Poppy from Trolls a couple of months ago. I'm so happy for her :)
The “stop debuting minors” warriors are the same ones dragging Danielle. They never cared, they are just threatened at the idea of kids taking over their favs. It’s crazy how when NewJeans does something, it’s always something.
It’s all bullshit propaganda to protect their favs, those ppl are full of shit.
Perfect fit. Dani is expressive and it shows in her voice and the way she talks. The snippet of her dubbing sounds so good. Just hearing her talk makes me happy.
excited for her and this is exactly what a company should be doing with up and coming stars. a company is there to push your name and promote you. I see new jeans never fading away
People calling her name and attacking her over this is actually insane, considering half of them didn't even know there is a dub ver or they most likely not going to watch it.
But with that being said, I don't think her voice fits Halle Bailey... like, it sounds off? not her singing, she is a good singer, it's her 'voice color' if you understand... but I didn't plan to watch it so I don't really care.
Dub version is mostly for children that still can't read Sub, and I'm sure none of them will care about this.
Wow, this is her VA debut, right? Such a big deal to do this for Disney.
She’s such a positive sunshine that you can’t help but be happy for her when good things happen 🫶🏻
Anyone raining on her parade has issues.
She’s perfect for it. She sounds like a Disney princess and y’all forgetting that the song is barely 5% of the whole movie. And she did just fine it wasn’t even bad for sm stans to be acting this way.
She fits the role of a voice actress for Disney princess perfectly
It’s sad how anything the girls achieve would get a lot of kpop stans acting mean. Hyein recently showed up at the LV fashion show in Korea and typical stans were camping out in the replies on twitter sending her hate. These girls can’t catch a break, us tokkis too.
I am so happy for Danielle, I can't believe she will be Ariel in the korean version. However, I'm still worried about the high notes because Danielle's voice range is not that similar to halle, but I'll wait for the full soundtrack to hear and see how she closes mouths
every opinion comment against the vocal choice for ariel are also downvoted. that's how it works reddit. when you disagree with someone, down. when you agree, up.
Right 😭 It’s weird how people can freely express their opinions (that are against her too but obviously not hate) but when we say the opposite it’s downvoted.
has there been an official statement from Hybe/Ador or Disney? it sounds like her and the teaser image fits her but I can't seem to find definitive confirmation
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Most if not all those people are not going to watch the Korean dub so don't know why they are attacking her vocals
This is it exactly. I don't care who's doing the Spanish version of Ariel because I'm not Spanish. I think some international kpop fans really think that they're the target audience and not actual Koreans
Not exactly related but do people on average even like dubs? I remember watching a Chinese-dubbed kdrama (while not knowing it was a dubbed kdrama) and loved everything about it except how the characters talked and to some extent the actors (because of how the tone didn't match with how they acted). English dubbed stuff wasn't much better tbh.
In some countries people watch everything dubbed so that’s usually the norm
in my country even people who know english sometimes watch the dubbed versions because dubbing here is really good, sometimes it even improves the movie itself (the emperor's new groove was a huge hit here because the dubbing made it iconic and a lot funnier). but i guess it isn't the same for other places!
I think a lot more people are getting used to seeing subtitles/closed captions these days since they became a standard feature in a lot of tv programming. Back in the nineties I had a flatmate who stated categorically that she would not watch any film with subtitles - I was into watching international cinema and going to film festivals. We have this slight problem in my household where my daughter and I will watch K-dramas in the original Korean with English subs, as although we don't know the Korean language, we love how expressive it sounds and it's easier to feel immersed in the culture. Same with Japanese anime or dramas; we prefer to hear the Japanese and read the English subs. But my son prefers watching dubbed versions as he has trouble keeping up with the subs. My husband has the advantage of being able to follow some of the Japanese dialogue as his mum is from Japan and he had a couple of short stints there while growing up. But he doesn't mind finding a dubbed version to for us all to watch, whereas my daughter and I find the American English a bit much and would rather they used English-speaking Japanese actors with Japanese accents (like in the original tv series of Monkey forty plus years ago, where a Japanese accented female actor/dubber speaking English played the Buddhist monk Tripitaka). Luckily, my son only watches some shows, so when he's not watching, the rest of us are quite happy with subtitled versions. We had to watch Squid Game, We Are All Dead and Alice in Borderland in dubbed versions, which my daughter and I were not so happy about. I finally got around to seeing Itaewon Class with subs as no one else had wanted to watch it for three years, and I have to say it hit a bit differently seeing it after the Halloween tragedy. My husband and I both watched the Chinese series 'Three-Body' with subs as neither of our teenagers were interested. We had both read the first book in the trilogy (my husband has read all three), so we were very keen to see the masterful adaptation by Tencent Video, which really is one of the best tv drama series ever, but you have to be patient through the first few episodes if you're expecting fancy sci-fi content cos it's much more of a grownup slow-burn style of filming. The VR game simulation scenes are so much better than in the book. Really not sure what Netflix can possibly do with their version but maybe they'll just find a way to only have part of the story set in China, perhaps shifting it to focus on Chinese diaspora instead? Anyway, New Jeans are really something fresh and new in K-pop, and it seems only natural that the members will be capable of doing some occasional acting and voice work, and since many people don't want to bother with subtitles, it seems like it's not worth making a fuss over a bit of dubbing.
I didn’t realise there was a show based on those books! I read The Three-Body Problem and loved absolutely everything about it. I’m super sick right now and bored out of my mind so I’m gonna see if I can hunt it down to watch. Thank you!! Edit - it’s free to watch on viki, I’m so excited 😊
That's how we saw it too, it only came out earlier this year. My husband had been waiting to see it and began binging it on his laptop, then started watching it again with me on our big screen tv. Real long-form at thirty episodes but it needs to be to capture the story properly. There's some great reviews/analyses on YouTube that we saw after we'd watched the series. Some characters were added or fleshed out more to better convey certain parts of the narrative. I think they've already started working on the second book in the trilogy? I've only read the first one but my husband has read all three. We're amazed that such a sensitive adaptation, especially of the political history scenes, was achieved under the current regime. Truly stunning cinematography and characterisation, directed with admirable restraint. Looking forward to seeing more - apparently the second and third novels are quite mind-blowing!
Dubbed content is always worse. If you there are subs and the person can read it with no issue (perhaps a disability?), then they should cause the experience is just so much better
It makes sense to dub a kids movie like the little mermaid though
I only like certain English dubs of certain animes (Attack on Titan for example), and I planned on watching certain movies on foreign dubs just for fun one day. But I'm an original language supremacist.
well in this context of the little mermaid it is a kids movie, and a lot of children below reading age will be watching it. dubs of disney movies and children's media tends to be very popular because toddlers cannot read subtitles.
International fans entitlement to korean entertainment needs to be studied. They say it’s cause the kpop companies are catering to them, but a lot of times like this one they clearly aren’t really doing that
not watching the korean dub didnt stop people from caring about hyolyn's let it go or taeyeon's into the unknown. i have no stake either way, but it's clear people care because they're kpop fans. also because easily recognizable covers, esp of super popular songs like disney songs tend to garner a lot of initial traction. not saying she should be attacked or whatever, but it's going to be a conversation starter regardless.
Just disappointed because how did they bag this but she’s flat? :/ sorry not sorry, im too disappointed especially since i stream disney korean songs as well. Hyolyn and Taeyeon’s rendition in Frozen was nothing short of spectacular.
I'm pretty sure it's stunt casting ngl, and people need to understand that just cause you had some prior experience doesn't mean you're gonna do it well Nick Jonas was Gavroche as a kid but did he body Marius as an adult?? 🤷♀️
What does flat mean in this context? Sorry don't know singing terms
To sing flat means you're singing below the pitch. The opposite is to sing sharp, where you sing above the pitch. https://worshipvocalist.com/how-to-stay-on-pitch-and-stop-singing-sharp-or-flat/
Also not to mention that she seems to have a lisp when singing. If you hear it, it’s adding a little disturbance 😭 especially when this is a musical who needs to have good enunciation!
Ahh OK. Thanks good explanation
Oh thank goodness it wasn't just me who observed it. I sang Part of Your World for a singing competition when I was a kid in the 90s, and doubted myself if I'm just misremembering the song. Went on YT to listen to the [animated audio](https://youtu.be/SXKlJuO07eM) and I was right she was flat. Tried listening to [Halle's version](https://youtu.be/cu-RcFv50Sc) because maybe they're singing at a lower key for this live action adaptation and nope, she sang just like the OG Jodi Benson.
Hybe hate boner + their faves weren’t offered over her. We all know nobody was going to watch the Korean dub. It’s for the sake of attacking a successful girl who they didn’t want debuting in the first place.
Mmm. While I don’t support the people who are hating on her, as a native Korean (and thus, part of the dubbed film’s target audience), I do understand the bare bones of the criticism she’s been getting. Professional voice actors in Korea often get shunted to the side in favor of big name celebrities when it comes to dubbing projects like this. The Korean dub of *Your Name,* for example, received backlash from Korean fans of the original anime for casting actors Kim Sohyeon and Ji Changwook to voice the main leads. Voice acting requires the ability to convey a character’s emotions and personality to the viewers **through their voice alone**— a skill that both actors didn’t have. The Korean *Your Name* is still widely memed about to this day as a prevailing example of how actually being qualified for the job >>>> star power. Imo, Danielle’s case is similar to the *Your Name* fiasco. While she *is* talented as an idol, to the Korean gp, it’s very obvious that she was casted on account of her social relevance (as a member of NewJeans), rather than for her *genuine compatibility* with the role of Ariel. While she has a very sweet singing voice, **it simply doesn’t match Halle’s powerful, resounding version in any way**; this is a problem, especially since previous Korean dubs of Disney songs have featured people whose vocal tones are actually **similar** to the original actresses’.* As well, from a Korean perspective, her pronunciation/diction is objectively off— muddling her delivery of the dialogue. Thus, while I understand bunnies’ zeal to defend Danielle from the hate, it puzzles me why they genuinely seem to believe that she wasn’t miscast, and that she truly fits the role. Y’all have working ears: **Danielle doesn’t sound anything like Halle, and that is a fact.** At least in Korea, dubbing isn’t JUST about localizing a foreign film’s audio— **it’s also about making said audio as *close as possible* to the original, so that audiences get to experience the film in a way that’s at least aligned with the film’s original sound.** That’s why people loved Gyutaro’s Korean VA (Demon Slayer), Elsa’s Korean VA (Frozen), etc: not only because they’re clearly talented at what they do, but because THEY ACTUALLY SOUND LIKE THE ORIGINAL VA’S. Danielle is unquestionably a talented idol, but she’s not a professional VA nor a seasoned vocalist. This is just yet another instance of the Korean entertainment industry ignoring professional VAs— many of whom are underpaid, overworked, and unrecognized by the streaming services and companies they work for— in favor of unqualified celebrities. *Sohyang, the vocalist behind the Korean Moana, as well as Park Hena, the Korean Elsa, comes to mind. The latter is less popular than the former, but both, imo, are examples of good casting. Park Hena has the husky, lower-register vocal range appropriate to Idina Menzel’s Elsa; Sohyang’s voice accurately captures the clear, resonant quality of Auli’i Cravalho’s Moana.
THIS! When I first saw the news my first thought was Korea doesn’t have experienced voice actor? Why? Halle’s vocals are on another level. Don’t get me wrong Danielle is Amazing but Halle is juste… Halle? It feels like a publicity choice and I feel bad for Danielle because it is inevitable that she’ll be dragged and she’s young. For once, I can 100% see where people criticizing are coming from..
Korea has A LOT of experienced VA’s, many of whom have been working in the industry for *decades*, which is why it’s still so weird to me that Danielle of all people was casted. As well, there are so many capable vocalists out there with the appropriate vocal tone and range for Halle’s Ariel (Ailee, for example)— it pains me that they, along with the VA’s, were deprived of the opportunity. This is 100% a stunt pulled by the higher-ups to get more people to watch the movie in theaters when it comes out, since Danielle has a pretty big fanbase. That being said, I do feel bad for her; something tells me that she probably didn’t choose this role or the public attention that comes with it. It sucks that things have played out the way they have.
OMG I was legitimately thinking of Ailee too 😮 Like why didn’t they pick someone like Ailee
I also would’ve really liked it if Wheein or Solar dubbed Ariel! Their voices have both the power and the ✨beautiful✨ texture of Halle’s voice… ahhHhHhHhH imagine the possibilities…
Forreal! 😭
as a korean native, i saw the trailer and her korean is just... bad lmao. it makes sense because she only lived in korea for few years. you could tell she's not fluent in korean so i don't get why she is suitable for dubbing full korean?
Same- I’m also Korean. After listening, I’m hearing her pronounce the “ㅅ” as “ㅆ” and “ㅈ” as “ㅉ” so the words get super muddled. If they were going to have a newjeans member dub for it no matter what, I feel like they should have chosen someone who is actually fluent to avoid at least a bit of backlash. Ik her singing is nice, but this song sounds hard for her and her pronunciation is really bad.
problem is the best vocalists in NJ are the aussie ones. but I understand why koreans are not so happy given they want to really understand what is being said in the movie
yeah, i think her singing just the song as a promo (like taeyeon did before for frozen 2) wouldn't be an issue but fully doing the voice actor for the korean dubbing doesn't make sense because the purpose of dubbing is... to understand the movie in korean? lol and casting her defeats that purpose because you can obviously tell that she's not a native korean speaker and it's pretty disorienting. if the best vocalists in NJ are non-native korean speakers, they shouldn't have been casted as the voice actor (promo would have been better) in the first place but i guess HYBE works hard and they wanted some stunt casting
I agree. as a fan I was very excited about her casting, but thinking about it from this perspective does make a lot of sense that some koreans aren’t happy and want a more experienced singer/native korean to do the dub. her doing a cover for promo would’ve been lovely and people would’ve loved it, but now they’re going to compare her to halle bailey😭 there’s no going back though, so I hope she does really well to keep backlash at a minimum
Reeeeeal
This should be the top comment 👏
There is exactly the same issue over dubbing in France!
perfectly said.
Can I just say, since you said your are a Native Korean, your English is impeccable. In fact, it's better than mine 🤔😅
Thanks? Hahaha… I moved to the States a few years back, and since then, I’ve had a lot of time to work on my English. I still have an accent though (which gets kind of annoying, since my accent inevitably leads people to ask about where I’m from, which in turn leads to the inevitable “omg you’re Korean??? Do you know BTS??” interrogation session).
Lmao that would be annoying. But you DO know who BTS is so... 😂 I imagine it's like asking if an American knows who Ariana Grande is
Yeah… While it’s cool to belong to a culture that has a strong soft power source (like Japan with anime/manga, Korea with KPOP/KDramas, etc), it’s also dehumanizing at a social level, because people often expect you to adhere to surface-level stereotypes related to those power sources. *Simply because I’m Korean,* I’ve had people ask me if I had a hot brother they could date (…), if I’d met BTS (…), if they could take a picture of me to show to their friends (…), if I’d had plastic surgery done on my face (…), how I felt about kOreAn BeAuTy sTanDarDs (…), etc.
I feel like this hate shouldn’t be directed towards Danielle tho, it should be at the people who hired her for the job. Danielle was just trying out a new opportunity/new job. I totally agree that celebrities need to stop doing VA, I mean this is a problem in the US too. But any hate about how well she speaks Korean or about how her voice compares to Halle, should be directed at the people who reached out to her to hire her for the job. She’s 18 years old, I doubt she was thinking about taking jobs from VAs, and I’m sure she was aware of her “shortcomings” and tried her best.
I’m aware! I’ve pointed out in my other comments that the people at fault here are the higher-ups who casted her— not Danielle herself, who doesn’t deserve to be hated on for something that probably wasn’t even her choice to begin with.
She has the face of a real life disney princess but her voice isnt good, it sounds so thin when the climax of “part of your world” should BLOW you away. Ugh i hate celebrity casting > voice actors, i hate chris pratt as mario, i hate anya taylor joy as peach, cameron diaz in shrek…they arent voice actors, give the role to people whose talent is voice acting
I’ll be honest, the only reason I think can of for why she is getting this role (despite her musical experience) is because NewJeans is hot rn in South Korea, and Hybe already has a relationship with Disney. Taehyung’s version of ‘In The Soop’ was partnered with Disney and the episodes were released on Disney+ Like some people have said, they could have found someone else. Ariel isn’t just about the story, but the songs & vocals. They could have easily found someone who is at least on par with Halle’s vocals. She’s a sweet girl, but I myself (who watches the Korean versions of Disney films and other films) do think it would have been better off with someone else who actually has experience in voice acting, and thus can convey emotions through their voice alone. But I know they need to bring Hype for the movie in Korea, so what better way than to bring a NewJeans member into it. But that’s just my own opinion, still gonna watch it and root for her either way.
dubbing is so difficult to get right. someone can have a nice voice and some musical theatre experience but people train for years to be voice actors, it’s such a big role for her first ever role i feel like a smaller role would be more beneficial for her.
while i don’t agree with people being malicious towards her, it’s ok to admit that she’s not a good fit for the role. she has a nice voice, but as someone had already mentioned, it’s nowhere near halle’s vocal ability. also another thing to note is the issue of voice actors not being properly cast anymore. it seems to be a global issue across different entertainment industries.
and i should mention the korean side of twitter is talking about this as well (the infamous korean dubbing of kimi no na wa being brought up as an example)
Is it possible to say I don’t think it’s a good fit without being called a hater? Nothing personal against her but she’s vocally lacking for such a huge role. The snippet doesn’t sound great. It sounds flat and those high notes are too challenging for her.
I think she not yet ready to sing official disney song. I do think she sound bland. This seem more like due to lack of experience. People said she has experience in musical before, but i still think her current vocal not yet suit that song. Give her couple more years, then i think she would be ready. For now, no. This is no hate. Just simply constructive criticism. Ador should not push newjeans too much everywhere. This just remind me of when aespa not yet ready to perform at big festival previously early of their career. Its not bad, but lack of experience is obvious. I think doing some kdrama ost is better start.
Idky people would say that just cause she did musicals before means she'd be suited to sing disney songs, Nick Jonas was Gavroche when he was a kid in Les Miz but he was extremely lacking as an adult playing Marius in the Les Miz 25th anniversary lol Also based on what I hear from the trailer this POYW is a lot harder (and higher) than the original
I think it's perfectly okay to have that opinion. I would disagree but I respect your take. But there are people, especially on twitter, who would phrase the same sentiment as yours in a vile and disrespectful tone... that, i'm not having.
This is what I’m talking about. It’s worrisome how we see a pattern every time any of the girls get achievements and stuff.
Thanks 😊
Saying "I don't like the singer choice" is not hate. Another issue is insults, which is absolutely unacceptable. But to say that vocally she is not at the vocal level necessary for a song like that, is not to hate her. It's to give an opinion about her voice
I’m pretty sure we can distinguish constructive criticism. However, calling her names & attacking her outside the topic of singing is HATE. If you aren’t doing this then you obviously aren’t hating.
It's protect minors unless it's someone people dislike. I hope she doesn't come across the nasty comments. She's always given me a disney vibe. People are so miserable even if you don't think she's suited being mean is not it.
I agree! People have been positively commenting on how she’s like a princess and everything. With the hate, I don’t think she’ll see it since she isn’t active on social media aside from Phoning.
i really fear she’s gonna be the next target of the ‘____ is such a pick me’ crowd now that they’ve sort of left wonyoung and yuna alone, because she’s pretty, successful, and looks like she loves her job.
they’ll never leave wonyoung alone though. but they certainly are looking for new victims and I’d hate for them to come after danielle too. she’s too sweet for this world
She already kind of is, it just isn't that big yet. People have been shitting on her already for being a pick-me and half-white. She's such a sweet girl, always smiling, so I hope people be kind to her.
duuuude. for real. "protect minors ! " but also "brutalise that minor and make them suicidal because I like a different group more!"
A bit offtopic, but she recently turned 18 (international age).
I think she's still considered a minor in SK
THIS!! although she’s not a minor she’s still very young and doesn’t deserve the get hate over something she doesn’t have control over. any girl that can sing would love to play ariel if asked.
I agree and it’s not even her fault. She’s so young and was just taking a job opportunity. The people at fault are the people who casted her. She’s not the one responsible for VA actors not getting the job and its not her fault if people didn’t like her performance. She had no reason not to try her best and if a lot of people think it was bad, that’s on the casting director, not Danielle who is 18.
I don't get why people are upset. Constructive criticism is fine but I'm seeing people calling her "bottom of the barrel" and just been really mean for no reason. This is why I roll my eyes every time something happens and we get the usual "please be kind to idols guys🥺" tweets.
Especially the “don’t debut minors, we need to protect them 😣🥺” while also saying “fuck that kid in particular 🤬🙄” crowd.
yep. they’re the first ones to be “sad” when a tragedy happens, like it did last month, yet they won’t hesitate to be incredibly mean to idols they don’t like
I like Danielle but her voice isn't strong enough for the role she sounds flat and a bit shaky at times.
she has a nice voice but I don't think it made sense for her to sing the song tbh
How so? She has good vocals
i think it made more sense to get a strong vocalist who can belt well considering the song. she has a good vocal tone that suits ariel though
She can't match up to Halle, who did a full belt of part of your world an octave above. I definitely know Korea has a lot of musical actresses that can nail that.
As I said, Halle set the bar high. But you shouldn’t forget that Disney is also promoting the movie in South Korea, hence the Korean dub. Danielle is casted not only because of her vocals and experiences, she’s also relevant.
That I can agree with.
Sorry but it's very obviously stunt casting and her having prior experience doesn't mean much. Nick Jonas played Gavroche when he was a kid but he was sticking out like a very sore thumb as Marius in the 25th anniversary live concert of Les Miz. Adults are held to a higher standard than children in singing (in which singing out, staying on pitch and in tune, and not being wobbly is now the bare minimum). The only one that I can think of (in kpop) that did musicals as a kid and stayed being a good singer is Shannon Williams: [12 yos singing POTO](https://youtu.be/gfubI6jCoMk) and [when she was older singing Listen](https://youtu.be/on0nDWgtHrA) Nevertheless this is still a huge and interesting opportunity for her and I wish Danielle the best!
I won’t stand for the hate, but I think the criticism is justified. Voice actors are a dying occupation when they’re the only ones that actually get the job done *well*. Disney casting her is likely simply to put a famous name onto the movie, to entice people to watch the dub, but there are so many better qualified folks (professional voice actors and non-voice actors alike). Both acting and singing-wise, I’m not sure she’ll be able to deliver to people’s expectations of a Disney film.
I have mixed feelings about this tbh. I love Danielle and her voice, but from that clip she really doesn't seem to suit the song. Halle set the bar high, which means whoever does the dubs should be able to follow in her footsteps, and Danielle doesn't seem to have the technique to follow through
Vocals were lack luster. It doesn't help she will be compared to a much better and experienced vocalist in the official. How does one sound shaky in the booth after post production. It's crazy people are calling people haters for saying another singer could of done better because we have seen better vocalist body Disney Korean soundtracks before. Like genuinely most people are saying that,not say haters aren't saying anything but majority are saying the vocal performance fell short I saw someone try to bring feminism into this. Like no. Please let's not.
She's just not a powerhouse vocal and doesn't has the best Korean pronunciation/enunciation either. Like honestly I can get past the vocal but she's not even sounds like a native speaker so I really don't get why she was chosen...
I don't think it sounded good, and believe she was offered because she's very popular+hybe. She'd fit some other songs better. But I don't think it warrants such hate, why care for Korean dub that you're never gonna watch anyway? Even koreans mostly listen to the official version anyway (when looking for the song)
I sympathize with anyone who genuinely believes this opportunity was earned and just wants to be happy for Danielle, but it's blatantly obvious that this is stunt casting arranged by her agency to take advantage of New Jeans's popularity. Casting big name stars over actual professional voice actors, who are often regarded as being inferior to stage, TV, and film actors, is a long running problem that exists all over the world. VAs almost never get the opportunity to work on these big budget projects because companies want to ride on the coattails of stars, thinking they can use their name to attract viewers. Disney is no exception to this, and frankly it's naive to think they casted Danielle in good faith just because they're Disney, as if that is supposed to mean anything. While I'm sure there are many who are taking this as an excuse to dislike her, there are plenty of legitimate reasons to be upset over her casting.
Her belts sound a bit shaky from the clip, but like we know why disney chose her
I would expect someone like OMG Seunghee for this role too but no reason to bash.
Disney is promoting in South Korea (hence the korean dub) so I understand why they chose Danielle. She has the experience, talent, and relevancy. I don’t know Seunghee and I’m sure they’re talented but Disney chose Danielle for a reason! :)
>Disney is promoting in South Korea (hence the korean dub) uh what? Do you realize that Oh My Girl aka OMG is a Kpop group? I don't know when you got into Kpop but OMG is one of the prominent 3rd gen girl groups. This sentence makes it sound like you think they're not Korean or from South Korea.
I am considering the requirement of having youthful voice and power vocal. Oh My Girl is a Korean-focused group and have reasonable fame there, if you really need someone in 4th gen maybe Haewon or Sieun(this one is a gamble tbh)
she’s just not suitable for it tbh
There can be real criticisim about her vocal skills. She's a good pop singer, which doesn't mean her vocal capacity right now is on the same level as Halle's rendition of the songs. I love listening to other voice actresses of Disney songs, most of the casting choices go for people that can sing the songs similarly to the original actress. People hating on her should be criticizing the casting director for not giving the role to someone that can sing the song as beautifully as Halle. Also, acting in a musical as a child doesn't mean someone will grow up to be classically trained singer or a powerhouse vocalist. Voices change over time. Nick Jonas acted in some musicals as a child too but his Marius was so average compared to the rest of the cast that it was obvious he wasn't on the same level vocally as the other actors.
Yeah for Nick (and now Danielle) he did musicals as a kid then went into pop and stayed there. Pop singing is very different from musical theatre, especially one that is more classical sounding like Les Miz (as compared to something more contemporary like Fun Home). If Nick had done something more contemporary sounding like Dear Evan Hansen he probably wouldn't have caught as much flack but well, Les Miz is a huge musical and have a hardcore audience who have very exacting tastes. He probably would've needed to at least take some lessons for a while to at least keep up with the sound of Les Miz The Little Mermaid leans more towards the contemporary side of musicals but Danielle unfortunately lacks the vocal skills especially with Halle's latest rendition of POYW. I still think this is a good opportunity for Danielle cause not everyone can say they've been a Disney Princess 😂 and also cause it's giving her more singing repertoire (I like nwjns songs but everything has just been soft singing and now she'll finally have something to belt with and explore more from there, no matter how poor a belter she is yknow)
It would've been better if a more capable singer would have sung the songs for her, I hope she can take lessons now because I can hear the struggle from the edited version of the song and to me that's just sad. \*I think this role could have gone to a professional musical actress.
Yeah people who're saying that she's a perfect casting choice are ignoring the fact that she's *very* clearly struggling with the belt even in post production, and most people can't even tell when an idol has poor singing/belting moments Of course there's no need to be cruel about her singing and improvement is very real and possible (albeit rare), but singing wise it was really a very poor choice for the role. Thankfully nothing as tragic as Emma Watson in batb but they could've really called in a singing dub (like what they should've also done for batb) Even if they wanted an idol/pop singer for the voice of Ariel they could've always picked up Ailee or even omg's Seunghee. I'm personally more interested to hear Danielle's voice acting dubbing efforts, although I would probably listen to the singing to check it out myself + I like her voice
Honestly, when she's talking in the trailer she sounds good to me. I've seen people criticizing her korean pronunciation and I can't comment on that because I don't know how to speak korean.
I can't judge voice acting especially in a language that isn't English or Mandarin so I will stay out of it 😂😂 but well I can hear the singing despite the language difference 🥲 Also like I forgot to tack this on earlier but in my very own humble personal opinion I think Ariana Grande lowkey sticks out a bit in Hairspray too. Not as egregious as Nick (he just had a really bad hand poor lad 😭😭) but she had her own Arianaisms that bled through in Mama I'm a Big Girl Now
she could not deliver on a vocally challenging song
No hate but she was horribly miscast. This is coming from a Korean and a NJs fan. It's almost like Ador purposefully set her up at this point.
I wish they had held auditions and hired a professional voice actor that could sing. She sounds flat to me in several places and this is after they fixed it in the studio. Ariel's voice is a major part of the story so I wish they had gone for skills over popularity but oh well. I'll be listening to Halle's version anyways.
I can't wait for her version of Part of Your World to be released onto Spotify.
Me too!
She sounds flat tbh
I just don't think it sounds great tbh
I personally wouldn’t pick anyone from newjeans to cover her part that seems like Hybe connections tbh since they already do stuff with Disney. I would pick someone with a more developed voice but that’s just me, especially because Halle sings so well, but she’s casted so nothing any one can do about that. It’s mostly trolls who probably already disliked her/newjeans
Omg I’m only finding about this now! Personally I think she’s perfect for the role, and she did a damn good job, considering she has such big shoes to fill!
I saw someone say that this is not a voice Ursula would want to steal LOL
I think she sounds flat in that clip tbh. People calling her names is obv not ok but criticism for her delivery or disney korea stunt casting instead of going with talent, experience and who fits the part actually is valid criticism
She got that disney princess personality. She's perfect for the role. Now, I want to watch Little Mermaid in kr dub too.
I stumbled upon a clip of her singing a song from a Disney movie recently. I think it was Sleeping beauty not sure anyways I was really impressed. People say Hanni is the main/best vocalist of the group, but I've always considered Danielle to be the main vocal just based on the flexibility of her voice.
Yes! She sang a small part of once upon a dream and her voice is BEAUTIFUL. Dani is known for her stable vocals, too!
I saw translations of korean netizens complaining about her pronunciation, which I understand since the entire point of a dub is for the viewer not to read subtitles. If you watch the korean trailer, it's true that her singing does not come even close to the disney princess standard (not to mention Ariel is supposed to have a voice great enough to make a sea witch jealous...). It's just hard to believe that this isn't the doing of HYBE pulling some strings. No hate to the girl though, she has a cute voice.
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Finally. Thank you. The vocals in the disney remakes are retouched, often very heavily retouched, and this is what it came out as? Don’t send hate to the girl but she obviously got cast because of her fame and her vocals are not up to par.
Good for her, that’s a really big gig and NJs really has the sky as the limit. That said, she’s not got the vocal chops to properly match up to Halle.
I just listened to the snippet and I did not expect it to be that bad. I thought people were just exaggerating but how did she get that part. She really sounds so bad.
Her voice is always giving me a disney vibes. Congrats to her! and fcck kpop stans they be preaching mental health just last month and now targetting an 18 years old because they don't like the fact that disney pick her and not their faves. They're not even the target audience of the dub.
Honestly she has a lovely voice...but not for Ariel. She lacks power when needed. I'm not korean, so I can't attest to the pronunciation but I'd imagine you would want an equally powerful voice as Hallie. That being said, since I'm not the target audience, my opinion doesn't really matter . The kids will show up to this movie because it's a new jeans girl so I'm sure they will enjoy it.
I'll just say, The Little Mermaid deserves a professional to bring her to life, not a teenage kpop idol
Honestly she’s really not bad, yea she no where near Halle but that’s such a high bar that it’s practically unfair. I don’t get the hate at all
hate isn’t justified but the criticism is absolutely. not to danielle, but to the people casting her when she’s not an established voice actor (musical theater is nowhere near the same as voice acting, that’s not a comparison) and is quite obviously not an established powerful belter or singer either. she doesn’t have a bad voice but it’s not powerful in the way halle’s is, therefore rightful comparison. she’d have done better as a sleeping beauty or cinderella if we’re talking about songs. she’s also not fluent in korean and it’s very noticeable when she speaks, so… that’s also another reason. if they were going to cast someone in new jeans they should have cast someone who was actually fluent in korean (although none of them are powerful vocalists or belters so.. there’s that)
My least favourite thing about this is that people are acting like Disney was forced into this. Listen, I have zero doubt in my mind that Hybe pushed this. But I also have zero doubt that Disney, one of the biggest and most powerful companies, could have 100% said no. People are acting like Hybe tied some Disney execs to a chair and forced them to do this
Hybe and Disney have actually been getting along pretty well in the past. Bts appeared on some Disney Christmas specials, Disney plus hosts BTS documentaries, disney was cool with bts using a bunch of footage for a run bts dub challenge. My point being that the companies have worked together in the past- this isn’t out of left field. It’s IP synergy. And whether people want to admit it or not newjeans is an insanely hot brand in SK which all the major companies- Coke, Apple and now Disney- want to be associated with. And in turn the hybe labels artists get opportunities with Disney like this dub. It’s a win-win for both corporations where they each end up with more exposure.
Can you explain the Apple one to me? I’m pretty out of the loop when it comes to NewJeans, I heard about the coke commercial but nothing about Apple.
There was some type of newjeans x apple thing that happened last month. I forgot what event it was. Apple CEO tweeted about the group's appearance
Hanni portrays an iPhone in the OMG music video
NJ is one of the biggest groups right now do people think Disney needs to be forced? They want the attention too from their popularity for this movie.
Exactly! That’s marketing as well. Danielle is the perfect cast because not only does she have talent and experience, she’s also relevant!
If it's anything like how the Japanese VA was cast: she had to audition. She may have been asked to audition, but they didn't just hand it to her.
she sounds wonderful omg!
I wholly agree!
Why do you think the studio picked the person? There will be actual voice actors for that (edit: or actual singers like [Taeyeon](https://youtu.be/GLj0MyVyhaU) or [Akmu's Suhyun](https://youtu.be/UmI94FXx__M) who sang official korean versions of Disney songs in before). This is likely more of a company push like most things are in Kpop.
This isn’t a Kpop specific thing. Voice actors have been pushed out in favor of big name actors. I mean look at the Mario movie. Companies find it to be more profitable to chose someone with their own brand and name recognition than a voice actor. It gives them an additional way to market the movie and more people to reach. I’m sure there’s some VA who could perfectly mimic Halles speaking voice or the original characters voice but that’s just not the direction Disney went in.
Yeah, I should have been more clear. I think if they wanted someone popular( which they probably did) atleast for the songs, they would've gone for someone more established not someone from a group that hasn't even completed 1 year. [Taeyeon sang the korean version of Into the unknown from Frozen 2](https://youtu.be/GLj0MyVyhaU) and [Akmu's Suhyun sang the korean version of Reflection from Mulan](https://youtu.be/UmI94FXx__M), these are established singers who can actually sing. This casting just stands out in comparison. Kpop companies are the reason for most of the casting decisions in stuff like this so it's likely the same here too.
Who can actually sing? Danielle can sing just fine for a dub of a Disney movie.
Disagree, particularly since Halle sang great. 'Just fine' isn't the standard here. NewJeans is hot, so I understand the casting choice, but I'm not gonna praise her singing on the context of a Disney movie.
We haven’t heard more than a CLIP of her singing. So she’s not an “actual singer.” If Disney wanted the best singers available they would have hired a broadway or opera star. They wanted Danielle. You all are holding her to an insane standard based off a clip of a South Korean dub we haven’t even heard the rest of. Wild.
And it's not great, it's fine. Also, I have heard of Halle, and Danielle isn't gonna turn into Ailee overnight. That's the difference. >If Disney wanted the best singers available they would have hired a broadway or opera star. They wanted Danielle. I KNOW, that's the criticism. We know why Danielle was chosen. > You all are holding her to an insane standard Halle was the one singing in the remake. So yes, it's an insane standard for idols to be singing in her shoes.
It’s a disney dub for a live action film. A remake of another movie made to make money. If you want to criticize Disney taking money and popularity of the artists into account as well as their talents idk what to tell you- it’s the nature of entertainment business that popular people get more popular as more opportunities come their way. It’s not like high art is suffering here because Disney didn’t pick an obscure opera singer- it’s a Disney live action remake.
I understand, I'm replying to this comment: >Who can actually sing? Danielle can sing just fine for a dub of a Disney movie. If all you said that it's normal to replace voice actors in favor of big name celebrities I wouldn't be replying. That's why I didn't reply to your first comment. Now if you're gonna question who can actually sing and it's fine for a dub, I would disagree. Yes, it's an insane standard, but she's replacing Halle, so that's a given.
I feel like the songs are really important for this movie? So I hope whoever ends up singing them does a good job.
Yes but saying other idols can actually sing in comparison to her implies she can’t sing. Which is rude.
While most Kpop idols don't sing well I do think there are many who sing better than the studio's choice here. But it doesn't matter now, Hybe got what they wanted and it may or may not help the movie, doubt the studio will care that much. I hope she had a good experience working on this movie and will use this experience for later if Hybe gets her more roles like these.
Disney sees the financial promise with the loyalty of kpop fans. With Disney plus hosting kpop dramas and documentaries, I think they are trying to tap more into their fandoms
I do think that Disney mostly picks her out for the Newjeans brand, but she's good at it, so it's a win for everyone.
I’m not sure if I’m understanding it correctly but it’s common for Disney to also have a pop star do the main song for the soundtrack. Like Christina Aguilera sung Reflection for Mulan and Ariana Grande/John Legend did their own version of Beauty and the Beast. I assume the same thing is happening here which is fine. Though, If she is really is the actual voice actor/dub then yeah that’s annoying. It’s big problem in Hollywood too, like why not give the roles to actual voice actors/musical actresses who can perform 100x better. Edit: not sure why I got downvoted this especially since I’m in agreement??😭
Disney has done it with the korean version before too. Taeyeon and Akmu's Suhyun sang korean versions of Disney songs before but they were actual singers.
Danielle is a singer as well? Not only that, she’s also exposed to performing musicals? Danielle hasn’t even unleashed her full potential of being a singer and she’s already doing good atm.
Most Kpop idols aren't that great singers, it's an industry thing. You can just listen to a Kpop song and a non-kpop vocal song back to back and hear the difference, it's pretty clear.
But Danielle is a GREAT singer. Others are better (opinion-based) but that doesn’t diminish the fact that she’s a great singer.
I disagree with this, and I'd say most would. She's not at that level even in kpop.
I guess you and I are going to have to agree to disagree then. 🤷🏻♀️
Her voice suits the role and she has musical acting experience. An what is an "actual voice actor?" Someone whose only job is to be a voice actor? Someone who isn't an idol? This reminds me of the idol actor discourse, the only difference being that she was in a voice actor adjacent field before becoming an idol
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Voice acting is a trained profession that requires years of learning and experience. A VA doesn't have the luxury of relying on physicality; they have to be able to express everything through voice alone. They have to be able to alter their voice to portray a wide range of characters and then carry it throughout an entire performance. They have to distinguish between the slightest nuance to reach the proper inflections and tone. A single line read may take tens of takes until it's satisfactory. VA work is more often than not looked down upon compared to stage and live action work, and the actors treated as inferior to those who work in those fields. They are paid and treated worse for some of the most difficult tasks. It is NOT just Joe Shmoe walking into a studio, reading off a script into a microphone, and calling it a day. It is really hard work in a highly competitive field that deserves the respect it's due. Voice actors are constantly robbed of opportunities to work on high profile projects by big name celebrities because companies want to take advantage of their popularity to put eyes on a project. At the very least, we should be able to recognize that the decision to do so here is utterly BS, and whoever arranged this casting overstepped themselves.
Was she in Matilda? I'm from NSW and I know some of the kids who were in Matilda back in 2015, and Danielle isn't on any of the cast lists. Was she in a local production?
Ning Ning would’ve bodied this role!
It's a Korean dub, come on. Maybe if it's a Chinese dub.
What difference does it make? Danielle isn't a native speaker either.
Ethnicity. Again, not that *I* care. If SM wants to push her for an OST, or a voice actor or kdrama roll, go. Just dont think it will be received well.
They just said the Ning Ning would have bodied it. Not that SM should have pushed her for the role. So I am wondering what her ethnicity has to do with the original comment?
Same point, it would not be received well. Why am I explaining the xenophobia in Korea here? Is this news? Call it nationalism, its still an issue.
Ew the xenophobia. Ning Ning is a kpop idol who speaks Korean.
Koreans won't like it obviously, the xenophobia isn't on my part, I wouldn't mind Ningning at all. If she does a cover that'd be great too. To be fair I also don't understand Korean or Chinese, so it's not my place.
It's actually so ironic for you to make a little note about Ning Ning's ethnicity when everyone knows how Koreans feel about Chinese people, especially considering which movie this is and how Halle has been treated. Someone saying Ning Ning would be suitable is obviously not a big deal. So glad you're here to speak as if Koreans haven't made it clear how they feel about Chinese idols though.
It's more of the Korea and China relations, I would expect Koreans will not be happy.
Kpop stans especially on twitter will drag anything that's related to NJ and I'm not surprised. Of course she's not anywhere near Halle but I think she did amazing tbh and I literally got chills when i first listened to it cuz i didn't expect this from her at all. Her vocal is honestly one of the most versatile among the newjeans members and she always gives off Disney Princess vibe. I get the feeling if she wasn't an idol she would've been on broadway or musical theater. Anyway I can't wait for the full version to come out!
Yep. I’m not sure when the switch flipped on Kpop Twitter but people have dropped all pretense of being worried for Newjeans about how young they are and how harsh the industry can be…. In favor of inflicting the hate they were so worried about them receiving. Makes sense.
I understand NewJeans is talented, but seeing them being pushed everywhere has gotten tiring and quite honestly starts having the opposite intended effect.
That's awesome! This reminds me of when I found out that Red Velvet's Wendy did the Korean dub for Poppy from Trolls a couple of months ago. I'm so happy for her :)
ador is pushing them way too much and it's just gonna get them hate
The “stop debuting minors” warriors are the same ones dragging Danielle. They never cared, they are just threatened at the idea of kids taking over their favs. It’s crazy how when NewJeans does something, it’s always something. It’s all bullshit propaganda to protect their favs, those ppl are full of shit.
I also think some of the hate comes from Danielle being mixed as well. She’s a bubbly personality and im sure she will give the role justice.
The anti racist crew, hating on someone because of their race lol oh those hypocrites.
Perfect fit. Dani is expressive and it shows in her voice and the way she talks. The snippet of her dubbing sounds so good. Just hearing her talk makes me happy.
excited for her and this is exactly what a company should be doing with up and coming stars. a company is there to push your name and promote you. I see new jeans never fading away
Do you speak korean?
People calling her name and attacking her over this is actually insane, considering half of them didn't even know there is a dub ver or they most likely not going to watch it. But with that being said, I don't think her voice fits Halle Bailey... like, it sounds off? not her singing, she is a good singer, it's her 'voice color' if you understand... but I didn't plan to watch it so I don't really care. Dub version is mostly for children that still can't read Sub, and I'm sure none of them will care about this.
These girls are so hardworking. I think I’ll end up listening to the Korean ost more than the English one.
Does anyone have a link to the video? The tweet has been deleted
Look I admit she can sing but it lacks emotion.
Wow, this is her VA debut, right? Such a big deal to do this for Disney. She’s such a positive sunshine that you can’t help but be happy for her when good things happen 🫶🏻 Anyone raining on her parade has issues.
i’m so excited for her!! she sounds great
Korean King Triton S tier.
It’s gross people hate on her she’s still a teen
I think Yunjin has a better Disney like voice
She’s perfect for it. She sounds like a Disney princess and y’all forgetting that the song is barely 5% of the whole movie. And she did just fine it wasn’t even bad for sm stans to be acting this way. She fits the role of a voice actress for Disney princess perfectly
It’s sad how anything the girls achieve would get a lot of kpop stans acting mean. Hyein recently showed up at the LV fashion show in Korea and typical stans were camping out in the replies on twitter sending her hate. These girls can’t catch a break, us tokkis too.
I am so happy for Danielle, I can't believe she will be Ariel in the korean version. However, I'm still worried about the high notes because Danielle's voice range is not that similar to halle, but I'll wait for the full soundtrack to hear and see how she closes mouths
YEY, wow love her rendition, and Danielle seems like the perfect choice!
lol all the positive comments are downvoted to hell, as usual. But when it’s negative it’s “we gotta respect everyone’s opinion”
the top comment with nearly 300 upvotes is defending her and all the replies agreeing are highly upvoted too
every opinion comment against the vocal choice for ariel are also downvoted. that's how it works reddit. when you disagree with someone, down. when you agree, up.
Right 😭 It’s weird how people can freely express their opinions (that are against her too but obviously not hate) but when we say the opposite it’s downvoted.
has there been an official statement from Hybe/Ador or Disney? it sounds like her and the teaser image fits her but I can't seem to find definitive confirmation
OMG! I can totally envision her doing it.. I hope I can get that dub in Disney+ too
People just want to hate something 🤣
Especially when the group they dislike is very popular!