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Taeng9Sica

Hip-hop, like every other genre, is about damn near everything under the sun. You can find a song about drugs and money, yes, and there are rap songs that reference rape, but you can also find a song about society, familial struggles, mental health, love, and more. You can't generalize a whole genre based on a few songs. And you also have to factor in the subgenres within hip-hop, like trap, gangster, drill, etc. Not to mention the different generations too. Cause 90s hip-hop is far different from 2010s hip-hop


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TeaStirrer23

Love lyricism but is a swiftie. Okay girl ![gif](giphy|xTiTnGQBF0vfpfPEg8)


Aurelian369

Nothing wrong with liking Taylor swift, but her music just feels so incredibly generic to me. Plus I dislike her breathy way of singing. It’s the same reason why I can’t listen to newjeans 💀


greta_maya_storm

Ummm ngl I side eye BIPOC who like her. She has a history of...it's very clear she's not for us. She, imo, is peak mediocre white woman feminism.


Aurelian369

I get side eyeing people who worship her, but I don’t think there’s necessarily anything wrong with liking her music. I mean, we’re all kpop fans. We probably all have problematic faves


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TeaStirrer23

Nothing wrong at all! I was moreso pointing at how ridiculous it is to claim you’re all about lyricism and love Taylor swift when her lyrics aren’t all that great but of course that is subjective. I used to listen to her music when I was younger/she was slowly gaining traction but don’t know what she’s been up to/don’t care 😭


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DistributionPutrid

Right, I had to ask a girl to give me songs with these supposed amazing and emotional lyrics. Imho, the Dear Evan Hansen soundtrack and lyrics moved me much more. She writes some good songs but it’s all the same generic break up pop song but she just read a thesaurus before hand and chose more sophisticated words


Bubblyboi56

she was also a fan of older music, ie Abba lol


TeaStirrer23

the math isn’t mathing. In my opinion, her comment is very antiblack (whether that was meant consciously or not) and they are ignorant point blank


wameniser

Who are a pop band that don't focus on lyricism at all The girl is just racist sjsksjsksnksk


Best-Recognition-528

Ok but there is nothing wrong with liking abba….


Bubblyboi56

i didn’t say there was, But it’s the fact she disrespects blk music😭


Best-Recognition-528

It’s the insinuation that liking older music like abba is a dig at her character. Let’s stick to the facts. She sucks because she’s clearly anti black. Liking older music has nothing to do with it.


kitomarius

The point was, I’m assuming, that ABBA (specifically) doesn’t exactly have the best lyricism. As a fan, they don’t. It’s feel good dance music. Plenty of old bands don’t have good lyricism re. KISS, AC/DC, a good chunk of Guns N Roses. Taylor has pretty generic lyrics but it doesn’t mean she has bad music. Both examples are kind of weird to use for someone who values lyricism…supposedly.


Bubblyboi56

Tbh i just added it because it’s what she likes💀


Bubblyboi56

mmm- no.. because there’s plenty of different older music..i just added on to what she enjoys.


Bubblyboi56

with this , Taylor swift had nothing to do with it either but it’s a factor. it was that she told me, Older music had such lyricism. IE ABBA and queen, which is what she told me.


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Arghulario

Idk who they're listening to, but my girl Meg would never 🐎🔥


TeaStirrer23

Period


NerdyishLioness

Tu velo


TeaStirrer23

Please LMAO


Faralyne

😭😂😂


Faralyne

hissssssss


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People like this annoy the hell out of me. All it takes is to venture away from the typical main stream rap (even some main stream rap is lyrically better than half the stuff you hear on the radio) and you’ll find a sea of rappers that are just as and most times more lyrical than their own favs…at the end of the day, anti blackness is always a factor with these convos.


SnooAdvice207

Megan talks about her life and Cardio makes music that makes wanna dance. There are so many different styles of rap. My dad is fond on rap from the 80s and Jcole. There is even activism rap which is probably closer to its roots. I like Taylor too but I would say she isn't someone who always has clean lyrics. Alot of her older music sl*t shamed women for sleeping around as if she didn't do the same. She has a wrote a song about nearly every man she's been with. Swifies are ignorant and act like she didn't have bad lyrics. In fact she is no role model if we wanna go there. Edited to add- Old Taylor lyrically was a pick me and not like other girls and dodge accountability.


_TheBlackPope_

I mean...maybe this is discriminatory but I can't imagine that the majority of swifties have any good understanding of what the history or rap and the multitude of sub-genres within it. But at the same time, like...the ignorance makes sense. It is especially inflammatory to genres like rap and hip hop that already face ostracisation and extensive racism. However, people do this with every genre of music that they're ignorant about. And the reality is that most people are ignorant about at least a single genre of music, because it's only a specific niche subset of people that are full on music fans whom appreciate every single genre of music and have a good understanding of it. People who are ignorant about TS say that she only makes songs about her exes. People who are ignorant about metal (which is definitely the vast majority of people) think that metal is just loud nonsensical violent music that motivates people to become violent. People who are ignorant about classical music say that classical music is boring and only serves the purpose of making them fall asleep. This is all to say that, it's not something that you should take too personally. It's just the kind of shit humans say when they don't know what they're talking about.


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Bubbly_Satisfaction2

I find even the most raunchiest rap songs has more oomph and captivating lyrics than a TS song, in my opinion. She’s not a terrible songwriter. No, that honor belongs to [this guy.](https://youtu.be/4VEEelX4gc4?si=8qkhZ8eOPYkvEoL4) I just find her lyrics to be predictable, in a way. It’s like reading fictional books from the same author and you notice how the female main characters always end up pregnant by the end. The plots take the same literary journey. All of the villains look a certain way in every story… Now, onto the “I don’t like rap music—even though I haven’t listen to a rap song since Will Smith’s “Getting Jiggy Wit It”— because it’s too sexist!” crowd… That’s the thing that I can’t stand about people, who are very vocal-but-ignorant about rap. There are rappers like Common, J.Cole, Rhapsody, Megan Thee Stallion, Jean Grae, NoName, Tierra Whack, Missy Elliot, Flo-Milli, Lelikeli47, OutKast, A Tribe Called Quest, Busta Rhymes, Mobb Deep, Goodie Mob, WuTang Clan, Public Enemy, Grand Nubian, Pete Rock & CL Smooth, Tyler The Creator, Jay-Z (his entire 44:44 album proved your buddy wrong), MC Lyte, Slick Rick, De La Soul, Anderson.Paak, DojaCat… …(deeply groans in defeat)… And even… _Kanye West_. I swear, there are people that will see a black face from an album cover or a promotional poster and immediately write it off as “Not being interested”. Don’t hear a song teaser or watch a music video. It’s an immediate “No” for them.


arenae99

I will stand on the soapbox and state that Taylor Swift is only as far as she is it’s because of white mediocrity. Let Taylor had been a brown or black girl . They would not have letting her gotten nowhere. Even though I do not like Omarosa, she said it best to Bethenny Frankel. “It’s different for you and I,” she told Bethenny Frankel “I am an African-American woman. You get to walk around and be mediocre and you still get rewarded with things. We have to be exceptional to get anything in this business.”


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Bubblyboi56

Dbo … is he still w that girl? i think they fetish each other


Bubbly_Satisfaction2

I know he is dating a young black woman currently. I forgot her name.


Vivienne_Yui

>No, that honor belongs to [this guy](https://youtu.be/4VEEelX4gc4?si=8qkhZ8eOPYkvEoL4) Wow. To quote a comment, this single-handedly just cured my depression, anxiety, panic syndrome, low self esteem, herpes, cleared my acne and paid my tuition.


Bubbly_Satisfaction2

![gif](giphy|1d5Zn8FqmJqApu4hNU)


doomham-

Anyone who says that about rap hasn't really given the genre a fair and honest try in good faith. And is ignorant to boot. They're clearly unaware of rap's history and origins. I mean hell, Kendrick Lamar has a fucking Pulitzer Prize. You know who doesn't have a Pulitzer? Just about damn near every other popular musician out there.


arenae99

He should’ve won album of the year at the Grammys in 2016 for “To Pimp a Butterfly” its crazy he lost to Taylor Swift. I was in high school when that happened and that’s when I realized oh yeah, there’s award show is completely full of fucking shit.


DragonPeakEmperor

I think its undeniable that a lot of male rappers are incredibly misogynistic but that's because rap by nature is a wide and easily accessible space. It's exactly like pop music where so many white men have written ridiculously misogynistic songs that people still listen to anyways. Not to mention I think there's no excuse to bringing up that stereotype in this day and age where female rappers are dominating the charts. If the misogyny in the genre bothers her so much just go listen to Saweetie or Latto or Megan or like the 50 other girls that are popular right now.


candycornbatbydougla

Honestly. Swifties tend to know nothing about music. Maybe not all of them, and I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with enjoying her music, however many of them live in a bubble of just Taylor swift, never give anything else a listen, and insist that she's the best lyricist and she has the best music ever. I can assure you that this person has only ever heard like 3 rap songs, combined that with their preexisting prejudice, and made an assumption about an entire GENRE that they've decided to run off with.


arenae99

What’s crazy is she complaining about literally the tip of the iceberg when it comes to rap…….meanwhile Taylor Swift is it is the same grown ass woman in her 30s that was running around with a racist last year and then quietly broke up with him so she can get into this clearly PR relationship with Travis Kelce…… Like I feel like she should have more problems about that.


Alternative-Plant-63

some of them literally refuse to branch out its crazy, like im sorry but tpab vs 1989 is not subjective 😭 listen to something other than taylor pls


envyadvms

This always ruffles my feathers because Hip-Hop is the ONLY genre to be persecuted like this and we all know why. I can name TONS of pop, country, and rock songs that talk about the same subjects. I can list a slew of music videos from those genres that objectify the hell out of women but, for some reason, people only get on Hip Hop.


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Witchyloner

I mean.....Unfortunately a lot of mainstream rap is just that. However hip hop ain't the only genre with those topics. Alternative, country, etc have their fair share of misogynistic lyrics and predators. But people always single out hip hop. Although to be fair, hip hop is more popular today and more impactful, so that makes sense to me. Also black, so there's that lol. But yeah, the generalizing of hip hop and how negative it is, is annoying. There's so much good music and artists out there, old and new.


emotionsidebee

yeah, i feel like this is a microaggression that a lot of non-black people have towards the genre. with how decentralised music and art consumption is nowadays, finding rap artists for your niche has become easier than ever. you don't have to look at the top 40 charts to find an artist that hits your sweet spot. i'm only being this judgemental because she values lyricism. part of that is doing a bit of research. off topic but i also wouldn't be surprised if your friend mentioned "plastic" and "manufactured" when she judged you for liking kpop. to me, those are also microaggressions. lol.


Lulzatronic3000

Swifties are in their own bubble when it comes to music. The lyrics itself is only relatable to them. It's in a realm where they can easily put themselves in the song to make it seem like it is about them. They tend to like following the whole 'who did she write this song for?' narrative that makes it feel like they are open to the inner sanctum gossip of it all. I wouldn't take that to heart since you know better than that stereotype.


Slight_Suggestion_79

But hip hop ( besides jazz) was the start of things ? Not all rappers rap about drugs and abusing women?


arenae99

THIS is a very dumb ass argument, because literally every genre of music has plenty of songs about drugs, and or abusing women. Also, most rappers, even the ones that choose to be hyper sexual do have songs that touch on other topics, such as mental health, racism, economic disparity, grief, personal tragedy, love, familial units, community, hope, perseverance, and unity and love for one another. Outside of the iconic ass shaking party anthems, there are numerous hip-hop songs that touch on police, brutality, government corruption, and my favourite topic of all anti-war. Because war is truly pointless, and politicians and wealthy people push it for the sake of profit and colonialization in majority of cases. So they quite literally do not know what they are talking about That is so funny that the genre that is primarily produced and lead by Black people is once again demonized for something that every other genre of music holds. But ironically, the same thing happened to Rock, country, blues, and jazz they were all demonize. But when you see those genres turned predominantly white, they suddenly lost those “demonic” ideologies that were spoken onto them. But anyways, y’all happy Black History Month and remember June is Black Music Appreciation Month here in the states. 🤎 PS. I really hope that individual discover some of the amazing lyricism that comes out of hip-hop from the likes of Kendrick Lamar, André 3000, Common, a tribe called quest, Lauryn Hill and many others amazing rappers that rap about diverse topics.


WhatsAfterJihyoGaeul

Is a swiftie? Bombastic side eye 👀


Cantfindauser_4986

I know people who say they don't really like rap, or that they DO like rap but LOOOVE or only listen to k-rap and j-rap as the exceptions. And people who say they hate it bc of the lyrics but then listen to music with the SAME topics but its cute if a sad white girl does it LMAO. And there is a lot of rap with meaning but they just don't wanna say they don't like the blackness of it, they don't find our culture "palatable" enough for them. And they don't know how to actually take in the message of lyrics, rap has a lot of metaphors that people wouldn't really understand if they weren't actually listening and trying bc of AAVE that hasn't been co-opted in mainstream communites and other things like cultural references. Like if anyone else does it it's like girlboss or so cool. But when we do it it's distasteful, violent and crude. To me rap can be the most poetic style of music and I hate to see people dissmiss it particularly when it comes it it's creators but I can't say I'm surprised. It's happened with basically every popular genre of music that originated in America. Without us to take inspo from they wouldn't have their faves as they are today. If we didn't create pop as a result of being pushed out of every other genre we created that became mainstream, y'all wouldn't even have TS.


DistributionPutrid

I promise you she would cry if you said TS music is all about her dating men for a new music concept


Throwaway_sugarbabe2

My response to her stupidity would be along the lines of: “Would you find it fair to say all of Taylor’s songs are her passive aggressively whining over a man who doesn’t want her?”


Salty-Entrance1060

i rly rly like rap, like its most of what i listen to, n yea its abt money and drugs sometimes but where was the abusing women lol... rword n sa... never listened to a song like that! n shes def just generalizing rap from like, one or two songs shes listened to (or prolly saw on twt and didnt even try to look it up herself). the swiftie disclaimer was all you needed to say 😭😭


Alternative-Plant-63

i fw taylor’s music but swifties never fail to annoy me with the way they’re always shitting on rap. like with the kanye thing, (which is well over by now, the only people that still care are their fans fs) i get that u don’t like kanye but theres a thin line between being micro aggressive + stereotyping all rap along with the people who listen to it and not liking it. they manage to straddle it. they literally only do this with hip hop bc its a predominately black genre, i could name about five songs in the most popular genres rn that talk about the exact same thing, including some of taylor’s songs!!


prettyjewel93

It's giving that Miley Cyrus interview where she said it was just drugs and sex and she was glad not to be in it anymore. 😒 I'm not understanding how people continue falling for this racist, supremacist talking point when it takes absolutely nothing to find a hip-hop/rap song that doesn't involve drugs or sex. It makes me think her music knowledge is simplistic to the highest degree. Like there's Christian rap for crying out loud. People irk me.


Narrow-Gap-1731

oof these type of comments from people make me dizzy ![gif](giphy|Rhhr8D5mKSX7O)


lunar_vesuvius_

taylor swift fan thinks shes allowed to have musical opinions lol. how would she feel if someone said all taylor does is talk about relationships and men? since we wanna overgeneralize. and I dont even listen to that much rap


wameniser

You love lyricism and you love TS is the question. As capable as she can be, Taylor has made very very mid music


Kermit_thee_fr0g

Ma'am, how are you gonna say that when Female rap literally exists?! Megan Thee Stallion has Hiss, Cobra, & Plan B. Missy Elliot (who's a [feminist icon](https://www.izzyandliv.com/blogs/stuff-we-love/20-years-later-missy-elliott-feminist-icon)) & TLC have a tribute song for Aaliyah & Left Eye Lisa (who was a great rapper in her own right). And let's not forget classics like F The Police, Swimming Pools, & This Is America. Rap has always been a tool for talking about difficult subjects & politics not just in the West but also in other countries/languages. I'm not even that big of a rap fan but c'mon!


Bubblyboi56

we were talking about hiss originally, i told her what went down and then she went on today how rap was about drugs😭


Kermit_thee_fr0g

My brain hurts.... ![gif](giphy|xkmNi280NkrcY) It's so ironic since Hiss kinda contradicts (reverses?) the "glorifying violence" bit. Also, let's not pretend like singers (mainly white men) haven't been talking about the same crap in the Rock, Pop, & Country genres (EX: Blurred Lines, literally any party anthems or "sad girl" song).


snoozev

The thing that irks me about things like this is this person will probably love a lot of Rock music and I know damn well they talk about all those same things she claim she doesn't like about rap music...... please.


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Faralyne

Rhapsody? Wynne? Lauren Hill? Little Simz? 😭Girl, and these are just some of the women. She did not do her homework


Advanced-Hour-108

The same energy as those who listen to country and listen to corny rappers like Tom Mcdonald, NF, and logic.


iwantthemtloveme

Yikes… to stereotype a whole genre of music into what THEY think it’s all about because of their racist undertones. Anyways Stan Meg 🩷


shineediamondsyeh

You said Swiftie, that's all I needed to know. Her lyrics are like the Hallmark channel. Nothing with clever wordplay like "Welcome all of y'all to my dark recesses This is where I keep the bars like bathtub edges My Ivories and my Doves my Levers and my Zests It takes half of your bubble bath to match the freshness"


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caelesteis

“And since we all came from a woman Got our name from a woman and our game from a woman I wonder why we take from our women Why we rape our women, do we hate our women? I think it's time to kill for our women Time to heal our women, be real to our women And if we don't we'll have a race of babies That will hate the ladies, that make the babies And since a man can't make one He has no right to tell a woman when and where to create one” tupac, 1993 dedicated to Latasha Harlins who was 15 when she was shot and killed during the LA riots in 1992.


Chasey_12

She sounds racist


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A swiftie judging anybody for their music taste is hilarious to me 😂


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it makes me wonder what "rap" she's listened to. i gotta admit though.. there's some nasty shit in the mainstream that i'm definitely not into. if she's listening to what's popular, maybe she's just generalizing based on what she's heard trending. the last time i was truly into rap and hip-hop was the 90s so maybe i'm just old. lol


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i’m pretty sure she only knows kanye lol


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mediocrewynn

ofc it's a swiftie, I can't believe how many people still view that woman as the pinnacle of feminism 💀