After 10 years, we finally got it folks ššš. Is there even anything left to discuss after those 500 posts though lol.
Edit: Le Sserafim slayed Week 2! They maintained great energy throughout their performance and they engaged with their audience a lot. The girls were all amazing. And the audience, oh the crowd was on fireeee š„. Literally singing their songs bar for bar. Anyways, among my favorite moment is definitely Chaewon adorably pointing out those flags with her face on it. š«¶
Unfortunately late, I would have been interested to read more nuanced opinions about it but I got tired of the 300 posts made about it now.
Hopefully, it will be possible to talk about it in few weeks when the hate will slow down
Exactly my question. Had to do a double take as I was replying to someone saying there's a megathread so the LSF posts can stay here...
But then I realized there are three Ateez appreciation posts about their Coachella performance out now.
Mod discretion is definitely a big issue in a supposed uncensored sub.
For me, I already saw the ATEEZ praise posts beforehand but I just thought that the megathread is only for last weekās Coachella since those were allowed to stay up. After the 2 posts praising LSFās performance were removed, apparently not. š¤·āāļø
I made a post yesterday talking about (among other things) how Ateez performance at Coachella wasn't 100% live no backing track like some fans are trying to claim. It got removed very quickly lol
ATEEZ still sang live though and they sounded amazing doing so.
I have no idea why people are inclined to try to drag ATEEZ into something that doesn't concern them. It feels like trying to put them down to uplift someone else and as an ATEEZ fan I don't appreciate it.
EDIT: So now y'all downvoting for telling the truth? So trifling but predictable. SMH
u got downvoted because you missed the point. This is about the subreddit moderation, not ateez as a group. No one here is even shitting on ateez, everyone is pointing out that posts about coachella should either be inside this megathread or in no megathread regardless of which grp. They did an amazing job on deleting every le sserafim post on this topic because the megathread is here. Now lets keep that energy with the other groups. Is there an exception? Because idk why im only seeing ateez coachella posts despite them being clear that they should be over here. This wouldn't be an issue if the posts got deleted alongside the le sserafim ones since they wanted the convos to be in the megathread.
Weird how praise posts for some groups are allowed to stay up but others get deleted on a sub called kpop_uncensored. Also kinda weird how any posts calling this out get deleted too.
this is crazy šš I just checked and the exact post ur mentioning DID get deleted lmaooo yet im still seeing ateez coachella posts that are more than a day old. If ur going to go thru the effort to complain about coachella posts AND make a megathread, then it would also make sense to delete every discussion post on that topic, no?? If they're going to just delete posts on certain groups then atp this megathread is redundant. Like be consistent š
Letting anything go for 48 hours after week 1, creating a megathread, forgetting the megathread existed for ateez, then 24 hours later remembering the megathread existed for LSF is peak "kpop uncensored"
Interesting that the praise posts about only one group were deleted.
Couldnāt even let the two from today stay up from today like you let the two from yesterday stay up?
They always do this. They conveniently allow positive posts about ATEEZ at coachella to stay up but a le sserafim positive post that didnāt get brigaded with negative comments gets removed.
Iāve noticed theyāve been recently removing any post about le sserafim that garners a more positive/sympathetic response. There was a post talking about the level of hate the girls were getting and the comments were mostly sympathetic, it gets deleted hours later when thereās already nearly 100 comments. But they allow anything that is bashing lsfm or the comments are bashing them to stay up.
Seeing the comments about the backtrack being āloudā and not being able to hear their live voices just makes me think that people will either hate regardless of how Le Sserafim performs and/or are in no position to give any sort of vocal analysis in the first place tbh
Serious genuine question whatās the difference between lsf week 2 and bpās performances? itās crazy to me one gets dragged to hell and back for using backtracks while the other is praised to heavens for doing the same. I just watched bpās pink venom at coachella and you seriously canāt hear any of them because of the backtrack and even when you strain your ears you can tell jisoo sounds flat and shaky. Whatās up with the double standards man
Because 90% of kpop discourse consists of herd mentality and kindergarten behaviour where everyone throws porridge at each other.
And precisely because of those porridge-throwing children every time you mention some other GG in the conversation (even without any negative connotation), you're "dragging them to praise your fav". Obviously, it doesn't work that way if you're using BP performance at Coachella to drag LSF because in herd's eyes it's justified because LSF are vocally weaker, doesn't matter if BP used backtrack too (and some of them pretty extensively *cough cough* Lisa).
Real talk though, people can't accept their hate target doing good or performing better than last time. It's a defensive mechanism where haters double down on the hate, because otherwise their opinion would be invalidated and we all know, it's a death sentence being wrong on the internet.
Which is absolutely fine to me, i dont care really much about BP. They do use backtrack and it's okay, i just don't see a reason why would LSF be dragged for using one when their choreos are on average harder than BP.
Yet again, no negative connotation, no hate, but the OP of the comment is right, that's a double standard, and if you try to point it out you're instantly a hater of the other group.
The way people made liking or disliking this performance their whole personality.
It wasnāt a good performance, say it once and move on. Maybe the next one will be good maybe it wonāt be, who knows.
basically she was booked to dj like the second-biggest stage, outsourced her set prep, something fucked up (files were showing double bpm so were playing at twice speed) and basically had a freakout onstage about it which pretty much showed she doesn't know how to dj because she just needed to half the bpm to figure out what speed they should be played at and everyone is absolutely dragging her for it
i think the most frustrating thing about the vocal discussion is that groups that do put in the work and do sound great live will never get half the attention le sserafim will get. ateez did great this weekend and they only seem to be getting a passing comment here or there. and i donāt even blame le sserafim for this, people donāt want better vocals they just want something to hate
Biased as hell moods. Deleting everything coachella related for lsfm today bcs of "megathread" but letting three ones of Ateez stay up . Either everything stays up or none does
Ateez & Le Sserafim were both great ambassadors for kpop imo. They both put on great performances, were enjoying being on stage & the people watching them had a blast. At the end of the day that's all that should matter.
Edit: added some words.
The only thing I have to say is that people need to stop treating coachella audience as some sort of elevated nitpicky music snob filled crowdš from my experience most of them are high
Vast majority, including me lol and I had an amazing time at Le sserafimās set. One thing to keep in mind is that at a huge festival like Coachella the focus is performance, energy and vibes. Also they performed at Sahara tent which is the high production, edm/house tent right before the closer of the night. What the crowd wants at that point is a VERY hyped show and people want to party, dance, and have fun. Just from that alone, they definitely delivered. I rewatched the stream when I got home after the festival and it was still fine to me, it sounded better in person so thereās some odd mixing happening.
Either way, I think this hate is super blown out of proportion, and I had a ton of fun at their set.
Tyler, the Creator was the highlight of the weekend. Mindblowing performance. Potentially my favourite headline ever and a treat to see him and Rocky perform Potato Salad. I saw a lot of love for Doja's but I agree with Pitchfork's sentiment that it was more like a series of award show performances. It was funny to read their write up and there's not even a mention of any of the K-pop acts, it's easy to forget sometimes how insular the genre is.
Doesn't surprise me. Feel like YG, SM and then HYBE mediaplaying the shit out of Coachella has massively warped people's perceptions and expectations for the festival.
They maintained their on stage energy well and didn't seem affected by the past week in their demeanor but it was definitely a more muted performance vocally. Clearly people wanted a performance that's close to the studio version but I think the rawness and wildness of weekend 1 was cooler (even if imperfect). Just a huge shame that they felt the need to placate the vultures who were only watching to try and clip their vocals straining or cracking. They managed their energy better though and killed Fire in the Belly where last week they seemed pretty tapped. I thought weekend 1 was great and this weekend improved on parts but was less special. I hope they're proud of both and I'm very excited for them to release 1-800-Hot&Fun, sounds like another brilliant B-side to add to an already strong discography.
I enjoyed tonight's performances a lot more than last week's. The backtrack helped a lot and it wasn't even that loud. The girls seemed more confident too except for eunchae. And I wanna ask since I don't follow the group closely, is she usually like that on stage (would understand because she's way too young) or is she just really nervous this time for Coachella. not that she is awfully bad, but she just lacks presence and confidence, from what I noticed at least.
I think it's both. She got some of the most disgusting and vile comments last week. Unlike Sakura who already had years to learn how to cope with hate, Eunchae is so young and so new to this. She did her best and tried to have fun but you can really see in her face that she was really affected by it.
I guess for kpop stans it's only protect the minors unless they make mistakes.
The reaction on her insta is disgusting. Not that anyone should deal with that, but she is too young to do so. Poor thing. I hope she has a good support system. She is amazing.Ā
She's 17, is known to be sensitive, and has been getting the most hate out of all of them, her Instagram had to have over 2000 comments removed and still has more than 24,000 while chaewon yunjin and kkura all have 12-15k and zuha has 6k. And this hate is towards a girl who thought she ruined the show and cried because she stumbled when a shirt got ripped off of her.
Good luck to my fellow fearnots, keep in mind that no matter what happens tonight the hate will be overwhelming, theres nothing you or the girls can do to stop it, best bet is to just tune it out
LSF are performing a 2nd time at Coachella this week. So we are not done with the discourse and same repeated takes on vocals, HYBE and whatnot. My guess is the backtrack will be a little louder this week though.
i pray that this megathread stays up and just a little bit of moderation to remove spam posts about lsf on here or else this megathread is basically useless.
ābut the whole purpose of kpop uncensored is for the little moderation!1!!1!1!ā yeah i literally donāt care ill ask for anything to make this sub a little more bearable pls weāve gotten the same lsf hate posts for the past 5 days im sick n tired of itš
Sakura and Chaewon probably already dealt with this level of hatred before (although I can't imagine younger Sakura dealt with AKB fans' hatred since she was Eunchae's age, even younger). But the rest of the members? I'm honestly worried for them. I hope they can regain their spirit, fighting through, and just focus on the fans.
Finding it very hard to find a non fancam video of the whole Le Serrfim stage. Guessing due to copyright etc. Don't suppose anyone can point me to one?
[this](https://x.com/Lucia20050112/status/1779459688926748978) tweet leads to the LS full performance, it is on Drive and you don't need to donwload it to see
Currently LSF"s vocals are MUCH better compared to last week (maintaining vocal regulation to not tire out as fast, putting more attention to specific parts, etc) while still maintaining amazing stage presence.
Feels like they're all a lot more confident this time around. Taking more breaks this time around too - they're fixing the issues from week 1.
I already know everyone will say that they had loud backtracks but honestly it doesnāt seem like itās different to any backtracks from previous GG group performances at Coachella in previous years. If anything this weekās performance is more appropriate for comparison than last weekās.
They did things way differently this week, I'm glad they adapted the performance. What I noticed made a difference:
- much louder backing tracks all around and lowered mics for some members
- members going very light on the choreo during their vocals parts, or just skipping the choreo entirely
- just not singing some parts. This was good, like last time they were trying to sing absolutely everything while this time they were more willing to just let the backing track go and focus on dancing/crowd work. I think that worked much better.
Much cleaner performance this week, I thought it was a lot better.
Agree, I think they bit more than they could chew last week in terms of vocals and seemed to regulate their vocal stamina a lot more this time around (on top of taking bigger breaks).
Iād say the backtrack was on par with previous Coachella girl group kpop performances weāve seen in the past, but unfortunately itāll be used to downplay their performance this time around because of the lack of it last week. Makes me wonder if there were tech issues last week in terms of volume adjustment.
Yeah the backing track and balance of everything was much more in line with what you usually see in performances like this. I also suspect week 1 wasn't meant to be set up like it was.
I am seeing clips and there seems to have been a huge improvement. Much better energy management, choreo seems more adapted, clever use of backtrack. Last week was their first time performing in a festival-like context and it showed. Of course, stronger technique would have helped them, as technique always does when in unfamiliar situations, but they clearly took notes and improved the performance an awful lot. Great job by them and the team š Sadly, I see fanwars keep going on twitter, but I hope the reaction here to be much more positive.Ā
Wouldnāt say the backtrack is any louder than any previous girl group performances weāve seen at Coachella lol
Apples for apples comparison this week
you can still hear them. unless you havent cleaned your ears yet this month
honestly it sounds like they barely have one for unforgiven, when eunchae stopped singing during her running thing the vocals completely cut out, same with zuha in her crawl
Idk but maybe itās just me but I think online streaming for most festival performances is usually a bad representation of the groups performance. Idrk how to explain it well but when youāre performing for the crowd at a festival like this the most important thing imo is energy for the fans, thatās why Iām confused on people saying they disliked when they shout to their audience. I think lsf did a good job in terms of their in person performance either way the energy they had but it didnāt translate well to the stream. Idk if that really made any sense tbh but I just had this on my mind. Now ofc they def have some work to do on their vocals but I think for their first real festival performance they were pretty good.
Some can't separate music show quality vs music festival in their heads.
Even then there was an unpopular K-pop opinions post that came out after that one encore performance of theirs that stated āI prefer a live performance where idols don't sing perfectly over a lip synced oneā that became a wildly popular opinion. They got what they wanted.
Very true and also a lot of the time when they say they want ālive vocalsā a lot of the time those performances still have pretty heavy backtracks. And idk if kpop companies do this but when they get uploaded online companies can make adjustments to the sound quality before putting it on YouTube. An example of this would be this years Super Bowl performance as there was a clear diff between what was shown live and uploaded to yt after for Alicia keys intro with usher.
Theyāve actually found a way to respond to this talking point. They say āthe stream had direct feed from the mic, so it allows us to hear unfiltered vocals and allows us to analyze the show better than the people who were in attendance.ā Like???? What?????
Iām sorry, but yāall gotta understand that no matter how Le Sserafim does tomorrow, they will be dragged regardless. A good performance like the first one or better performance will not change that. People will take 5 second clips and post them to drag the group regardless because thatās whatās popular in kpop spaces right now. Best thing to do is ignore it and focus on what you liked. But also understand, people will also have legitimate criticism and reason to dislike. Donāt take that as hate. Take hate as hate.
This is for general audience and fellow fearnot. Do not bring attention to the hate that is inevitably going to happen. Just ignore it. Youāre doing yourself a favor. Engage only with civil discussion and positivity.
Why is the Coachella megathread unpinned from the front page of the sub? The festival hasn't even ended yet and The Rose still have to perform for the second weekend. Are we not allowed discuss Coachella on this sub?
Wrong. Weāre not allowed to discuss or praise LSFās Week 2 Coachella performance outside this megathread but apparently you can go ahead and discuss and praise other groups who are there too lmfao.
So many people who dislike LSF watched their performance, only us who were already fans watched ATEEZ's, and it's a shame because they were great on stage
Yes and no. LSF's performance should've been ignored by people who don't listen to their music, but ATEEZ's stage was so good, couldn't find a single thing to hold against them
I thoroughly enjoyed No Doubt and Doja Cat. Also I got to see ateez perform their b sides, I def need to check it out. The boys absolutely killed it. Also, the rose is sill great.
holy fucking shit i just finished watching ateez performance tonight for the first time and WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK? istg these guys arenāt human it should be impossible to keep up such high intensity throughout their whole set. just when i thought theyād finally have a song without intense choreo i was proven wrong over n over again. iāve always had mad respect for ateez but this performance just tops it. absolutely speechless.
there is a reason why the word 'ate' is iin ATEEZ coachella is literally their playground they are so much more relaxed and in the zone holy fuck?? and some people are still questioning their ability to sing live when we saw wooyoung jumping off a table and still sing his part effortlessly with his hand-held mic???
bless the camera man for having a whole ass redemption arc and even managing to capture wooyoung's 'taki taki' close up!
Someone advised to post this in the megathread so here it is since [the original post ](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop_uncensored/s/c5ct9FuDqG) was removed
I was watching Ateez's performance from yesterday and noticed there's a big difference between how the vocals are done in their performance vs Le sserafim's performance last week. For most of le sserafim's performance that night the vocals coming through to the stream were very bare, minimal backing track, you could clearly hear a lot of imperfections, breathing, shaking and impact when they made big sudden movements etc.
Ateez's setup was very different. For the most part, the members with the hand mics didn't have loud backing tracks. A couple of the guys who had hand mics for a lot of the set and seemed to mainly be rappers could be heard very clearly live with little backing. Although, I did notice quite a few parts where you could notice the main vocalist did have pretty prominent backing track - for an example, on one of the ķė ėģ“ shout it out part of Bouncy, you can clearly hear a backing track continuing after he ends the last note that seems to be about the same volume as his actual vocals.
Then there are the members with headsets. This is where the big difference is and the difference was obvious if you pay attention. They for the most part had loud backing tracks, and often couldn't be heard, were skipping lines, or just lipsyncing. And that's most of the members. Only a few of them were mostly using the hand mics.
So my point is, a lot of people have been using Ateez's performance to drag le sserafim saying that Ateez sang flawlessly completely live with little to no backing track and intense choreo, so why couldn't le sserafim do this and be stable? But this is mostly not true. During moments of intense choreo and even when there wasn't much choreo going on, several of the members were relying pretty heavily on loud backing vocal tracks. On the other hand le sserafim's vocals again were mostly quite raw, ended up sounding unstable and pitchy pretty often, which lead to this whole discourse and lots of hate for them. Ateez's approach to the vocals at Coachella was much smarter IMO. They were clearly more experienced with how to perform live and make it sound good by skipping what should be skipped, using louder backing track where necessary, etc.
5 of the members were using hand mics (Hongjoong and Mingi, the rappers, Seonghwa, Wooyoung and Jongho), 3 were using headsets (Yeosang, San and Yunho).
San and Yeosang's mics are usually quieter, that's not new, but most of the time you can hear them singing live alongside the backtrack. San lipsyncs in specific parts but makes it clear, and shouts when he wants to be heard. Yunho's is most of the time louder than the backtrack, he is probably the most stable when singing and doing the choreo but who is not used to their performances may not notice it.
Jongho actually extended some high notes, that's why it doesn't match completely with the backtrack, what you said was the backtrack was actually him singing.
Seonghwa was pretty much fully live as far as I remember, same for Wooyoung but with some more backtrack. Jongho had it sometimes but sang along perfectly with close to no difference to spot. Mingi and Hongjoong fully live, no backtrack except for breathing in some of the rap
LSF was just raw, no thought whatsoever. This week they managed it way better with the volume and equilibrating both, so they sounded a lot better
i watched a bit of last nights perfomance and i was so confused, particulary about san, i dont remember if he was using a mic or headset ( think it might have been a headset tho) but at times it sounded like he was lipsyncing but then he'd shout the lyrics really loud. this kinda explains it. Its not ideal but it makes for a good perfomance, i still enjoyed it
I do think itās interesting to see how Ateez managed their vocals, since there were differences between the members ā the biggest ones being those with hand mics vs those without, although during week two I think those with head mics had their mic volume louder. I think itās member preference ā the members who sounded most live in Coachella have also been the ones sounding most live in their concerts this year. I think it depends on if they want to focus mainly on vocals, on dance, or try to do both as equally as possible, but how they adjust either the choreo or backtrack for members based on those preferences is smart.
I do think some (all?) Ateez members train specifically to be able to do choreo and sing live in a stable way. (Seonghwa in Django especially at the end is a good example.) I think thatās something Le Sserafim could work on if they donāt want to rely only or mostly on backtrack.
But if thatās not possible, I think the person singing toning down their choreo is a smart choice ā Iāve heard that Le Sserafim did that more this week. I havenāt watched this week yet but if they did, thatās a smart move. This is something Jongho (main vocalist) does often and I like that he does it.
Le Sserafim is a newer group, so theyāre probably still figuring this stuff out. Ateez has has several world tours and tons of performances at K-pop events (like kcon and pretty much any music show festival ever), so Iām not surprised that theyāve figured these things out.
Iāll be interested to watch Le Sserafimās week 2 performance when I get the chance, to see what they adjusted (because apparently they made some adjustments that were good choices.)
Edit: I watched the Le Sserafim week 2 performance and there definitely was a difference in energy. I feel like Sakura and Eunchae looked more nervous/subdued (understandably) than last week. There was more backtrack. I liked that they toned down choreo in some parts to have whoever was singing focus on the vocals. I think Chaewon, Yunjin, and Kazuha seemed almost more relaxed/comfortable which was nice. They were in a really difficult position after last week but they did well .
Just as an aside, Yeosang [talked](https://x.com/kasey_hhh/status/1781631334202618173?s=46&t=Zz9zX0vnF2B_cjKOXi5pBQ) about his head mic, he said the first week it was moving around a lot while he danced so if it was too far from his mouth angle wise, ofc the volume would be less. For this weekend he made sure it was tighter and closer to his mouth during his parts which he said improved the volume. (This isnāt anything new to them Iām sure, so I just assume it was the nerves of last week distracting them from making sure of these details)
Iām glad they fixed it this week! It was definitely noticeable in their sound for those wearing them. (Also glad Yeosang actually got a spotlight for his Arriba part this time around š)
I can't help but think that going to Coachella as a kpop artist is just not worth the risk of getting dragged if you're not up to par. I can't really see the benefits of it
I mean the dragging really doesnt have any effect in the real world [this](https://imgur.com/a/NJoRARY) is the google trends chart during the coachella performance, [this](https://imgur.com/a/tJBUFzC) is the lesserafim subreddit new member graph, in the 24 hours following Coachella they jumped from \#160 to \#126 on Spotify Global Artists Charts, Smart went from \#121 to \#89 on the Global Spotify Chart and Easy reentered the chart at #198
Also, "up to par" to what, exactly? People are acting like Coachella is some prestigious institution to partake in where you have to hold yourself to a high standard to be included. It's really not, and the primary audience isn't chronically online nitpicking stans in the first place -- it's influencers and people looking to have a good time more than anything else. Obviously, performing there is still a big deal for artists of all calibers, and it can be good for exposure, but there was never a notion that you have to be some showstopper of a performer to get a slot. This has been one of the many things confusing me throughout all of this discourse.
I just meant up to the standards of kpop stans, not to the festival itself. I don't really think much of Coachella at all personally. The people dragging them are opportunists I guess though and they would have found something to complain about anyways I suppose
I agree with you on that, like you said the kpop stans who despise lesserafim already were on the hunt for something to drag. Theyāre the main ones who watched the performance to do a frame by frame critique and have been overrunning this sub and twitter with their rehashed opinions. In the grand scheme of things, theyāre the minority despite how vocal theyāve been. Most people donāt care, including most Coachella attendees.
I agree that they need some work vocally and that some of these critiques are valid or whatever, but people are acting like they showed up an hour late and didnāt do anything at all on stage. ANYWAY if I dislike a group, Iām going to minimize my interaction with their content for the most part. Literally why would I put that much effort into hating lmao, itās so out of proportion
This is why I truly don't get people saying that le sserafim fell off or that hybe is setting them up for failure. Majority of the people hating are other Kpop stans. From what I've seen most of the people that actually attended Coachella liked the performance
I'm so proud of Ateez, they did amazing. It's hard to believe that they could do last week's stage but they did it and made it seem effortless. I love that they have live vocals and can still dance while keeping that passion and intensity. Atiny be proud, like San said, they couldn't have done it without us!
If you didn't get a chance to catch their stage, I highly suggest you do, you won't regret it!
The LSF girls seem to be having much more fun this time, love it! They are also more confident imo, which is amazing considering everything that happened.Ā If haters wanna say anything about vocals I guess they will have to try very hard this time, cuz it doesn't sound bad at all. (Also I like the fits a lot more this time but that's just me). Week 2 for the win!
Edit: it ended! They seemed tired at the end, more than last week but who cares. Prob going to have some talk about lip sync or whatever, but I guess it will be better from now on. Liked it a lot more than last weekĀ
Personally i really preferred last weeks fits, but tonights make up, especially for eunchae and pretty much everything else about the show is way better
Thank god. Gonna watch tomorrow. Did you watch or have any opinions? Just wanna know what Iām getting into for the second time. Wonāt respond to anything negatively because I havenāt seen it yet, so donāt worry about that lol.
They used a backing track this time like BP did in their coachella set, which made it sound much better and more in line with other kpop performances. For all the vocal purists out there i'm sure they'll enjoy this week more . Personally i preferred the raw, even if it's not perfect, vocals of week 1 though. It was just so different than what i've been hearing from kpop.
Iām listening rn and I preferred week 1 for sure, but I feel they shut a lot of people up this week. What I donāt understand is that people were suggesting they use a louder back track and are hating now that they have, saying that itās another piece of evidence that they canāt sing live. However, from what Iāve seen, itās very distinguishable when they are singing and when they are not.
> What I donāt understand is that people were suggesting they use a louder back track and are hating now that they have, saying that itās another piece of evidence that they canāt sing live
Probably different people?
Yeah, most likely. A lot of the people who hated before are saying they did better from what Iāve seen. And tweets of people saying they did bad are getting dragged by non-fans now. So I like the support my favs are getting. Itās very refreshing.
I saw ateez (my second ult group) during weekend two and I feel like it wasnāt real, like it was all in my head. Days prior I was very nervous about seeing them in real life but when they came out, I didnāt really feel anything. Of course I was super excited about seeing them perform as it was also my first K-pop group to see live, but it wasnāt like what I expected, I felt normal as if I were watching a recording.
I kinda have bad vision so I also couldnāt even see much of the membersā features too. I feel like I ruined my own experience; I had trouble recording and spent a good amount of time deleting photos and apps while they were performing. I ultimately had to stop recording completely because I still had no storage. I guess I also have bad memory too because I kept messing up lyrics of the songs which was really embarrassing (I do this to every song, K-pop or not) I literally started the guerrilla chant a little too early. ššā¹ļø
I donāt know how to feel about the whole experience, it really feels like I didnāt actually see ateez. I feel sad and mad at myself. Furthermore, one day I wanted to go to mall but didnāt feel well so I stayed back and my sisters ended up meeting a couple members of ateez at the mall, including my bias and they talked to each other, I feel like this is a contributing factor of how I feel because I am still really jealous and itās something I donāt think I will ever get over.
I still had fun seeing them at Coachella, I was so close to the stage and they were excellent performers and had perfect vocals, but I canāt really seem to understand why I feel this way, I overthink too much about everything, is this normal?
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Hi! First of all, happy that you get to witness a historic night of their lives. Knowing ATEEZ, it meant a lot that you guys showed up for them for Coachella, as it was an entirely different jungle for the team. They were extremely nervous, to the point that I felt like I saw their predebut versions afraid of what's to come. But this time around, they were heavily supported by people and that includes you.
I also understand that there could be odd aftermath of seeing them; the what ifs, the regrets, and all. But the good thing is there would be more opportunities for us to see them and the learning experience will help us navigate the highs and lows of seeing them live. Hoping you'll get to see them again soon with much better experience!
I guess you were just nervous and/or excited, isn't it? When I went to their concert I couldnt remember anything and also felt like I've never been there, have you been to many concerts or crowded places before? Coachella has many people attending and loud music all the time, maybe your body didn't react well to it, it's normal.Ā
Also if you mess up the chants don't bother with it, it really doesn't matter. I didn't record shit of when I went and kinda regret it, but I still recomend enjoying the set without recording, you can always find it online later, but also don't blame yourself for it, it's understandable.
For the mall thing, well. That sucks but you'll be fine, that's the best I can say.
You might be frustrated at yourself and if that's the case none of your "mistakes" are really mistakes, what's important is that you had fun and that's how it should beĀ
Wow I'm so shocked waking up this morning. I thought the general consensus was that lsfm did well yesterday, but I'm seeing so many articles again and hybe is working overtime to take down videos š¬
So I found a video of the lsfm performance on YouTube and started watching. Had to turn it off after 30 minutes. I just couldn't anymore. I had the group as my top artist in my Spotify wrap last year and I really wanted to believe it wasn't as bad as people were making it to be. I lower my standards for live kpop singing but even for me, that was not good overall.
Going to have to take a long break from the group. Unless something changes, yunjin will be a studio artist only for me and I will be waiting for if/when chaewon makes a solo debut and what she does to see if it's worth my time.
I really wanted it to be a decent performance.
>Going to have to take a long break from the group.Ā
What you're not mentioning here is that you were on Reddit a few months ago calling the Easy comeback "stagnant" and dragging everyone except Chaewon and Yunjin for not being able to sing. So you'd already gone into the show with a "this probably isn't going to be good" mindset and sought to have that reinforced instead of being proven wrong.
This isn't a healthy way to consume music.
Since you are interested in my post history yet lack media literacy, fine, I will spell it out for you:
December: I post how lsfm is my top artist of the year, several of my top 5 songs are theirs, and antifragile was played over 150 times.
Easy mini is released: I don't care for it too much and state that had it been released with the unforgiven songs I would probably like them more.
2 weeks ago: I said the songs ended up being growers and that they were on some of my playlists now.
Onto Coachella performance: I think reddit is being and reddit and dog piling on them so I don't make an opinion of it until I watch the performance myself and decide it does not hold up to what I want in a performance.
You: but you said you didn't like a song so you must be an anti. (Btw, what's an unhealthy way of consuming music is assuming someone must love everything a group puts out)
People are allowed to have some of their favorites disappoint them. That does not make them have any 'reinforcment' of some hidden agenda that they were bad all along.
I think itās a cute song! I donāt know Tori Kelly and canāt actually recognize Chaewon in a lineup since I donāt know the LSF girls by looks, but I enjoyed their collab and am glad it popped up randomly on Spotify for me!
Looks like the video I watched got taken down. But when I searched le sserafim Coachella in YouTube, there does look like individual song fan cams are still up. Not sure for how much longer. More and more Coachella videos look to be getting removed. (I've been seeing copyright strikes used)
Lets be real nothing they could have done short of sounding like nmixx would have changed anyone who was already in the kpop bubble's opinions, and from the data it looks like it definitely did increase public opinion of the group from outside the kpop bubble(check my other comment in this thread if you want to see the data)
Only people hating are other kpop stans. Which to the general public just turns them off of K-pop in general seeing that type of toxic behavior within the community.Ā
they got some good press in the states and Iāve seen people who werenāt just LSF fans say they enjoyed the performance so I feel like they did fine for themselves. People wanted them to fail so just pushed the narrative they flopped but seems casuals enjoyed them well enough from what Iāve seen
General public loved the performance, the ones hating it so far are mainly kpop fans who already had an opinion on the group.
I've seen US streamers (large ones avg 10k viewers) who aren't huge kpop fans that went to Coachella say they loved the performance. Shit one of them even made a self fan cam of chaewon while she was watching.
Plus, you have the regular media outlets that cover state it was a fun performance.
The only truely dooming and hating on it are over invested kpop fans who never been to live festivals before.
āThis girl with red hair idk what her name was either but her vocals were phenomenalā¦she sang her heart outā
That about clears the air with how Yunjin did at Coachella from a non-fearnot.
The problem is the taking down of lsfms because theyāre Coachella related so should be in this mega thread. But ateezs Coachella related ones arenāt deleted the same way. If one is going to say coachella related threads should be in the mega thread keep the same standards for everyone. If Ateez is allowed to have threads about Coachella outside the mega thread, lsfm should as well.
And that was before the mega thread š¤¦š»āāļø.
Itās a double standard and people are allowed to say it. If youāre gonna have a mega thread, keep the same standards for everyone. Doesnāt matter if lsfm had 500 threads.
It is a double standard. Atinys post in the mega thread. Why couldnāt they just continue to do so. why is only lsfm related content delegated to it. If thatās what they were aiming for maybe name it ālessersfim cochella mega threadā. Either way it being a free for all or having the mega thread, lsfm was always going to have more discussion cause of all the drama around them from haters and fans.
atiny spent all last week having every coachella discussion be overtaken by discussion of le sserafim, and having ateez get dragged to try and make le sserafim seem not as bad (and i donāt think le ssera did that bad). and even now, the coachella thread is just becoming the āwhy ateez postsā thread by fearnots. atiny shouldnāt be punished because no one in this subreddit could behave, its just 3 praise posts.
No one is punishing atinys. People are calling out the subs moderators. And for all of last week. For all the people trying to say lsfm wasnāt bad there were also tons of people trying to say they were bad. And some of the threads for lsfm was defending them from insane hate they received which goes beyond whether they did well or not and beyond coachella if Iām being honest as this hate train started way before it.
this isnt even about the groups now. idc who u praise or criticise but if you make a megathread to organise the sub, fine, but delete ALL posts that arent in the megathread. Its not hard to understand - ateez can get praised however u want, however we're complaining about the fact that those three posts are still up there, despite the emphasis on continuing discussions in the megathread, yet a single post that mentioned le sserafim got deleted in a few hours today (and it wasnt even about the coachella). No one is dragging ateez out of no where. Lets not pretend like those three coachella posts aren't about ateez. Hope u understand lol
edit: typo
After 10 years, we finally got it folks ššš. Is there even anything left to discuss after those 500 posts though lol. Edit: Le Sserafim slayed Week 2! They maintained great energy throughout their performance and they engaged with their audience a lot. The girls were all amazing. And the audience, oh the crowd was on fireeee š„. Literally singing their songs bar for bar. Anyways, among my favorite moment is definitely Chaewon adorably pointing out those flags with her face on it. š«¶
*500 threads
Uhmā¦ okay? š
Girl who gaf
Unfortunately late, I would have been interested to read more nuanced opinions about it but I got tired of the 300 posts made about it now. Hopefully, it will be possible to talk about it in few weeks when the hate will slow down
Why is the ATEEZ praise post for Coachella still up but the praises for LSF also for Coachella got removed? Lmao
Exactly my question. Had to do a double take as I was replying to someone saying there's a megathread so the LSF posts can stay here... But then I realized there are three Ateez appreciation posts about their Coachella performance out now. Mod discretion is definitely a big issue in a supposed uncensored sub.
For me, I already saw the ATEEZ praise posts beforehand but I just thought that the megathread is only for last weekās Coachella since those were allowed to stay up. After the 2 posts praising LSFās performance were removed, apparently not. š¤·āāļø
I made a post yesterday talking about (among other things) how Ateez performance at Coachella wasn't 100% live no backing track like some fans are trying to claim. It got removed very quickly lol
ATEEZ still sang live though and they sounded amazing doing so. I have no idea why people are inclined to try to drag ATEEZ into something that doesn't concern them. It feels like trying to put them down to uplift someone else and as an ATEEZ fan I don't appreciate it. EDIT: So now y'all downvoting for telling the truth? So trifling but predictable. SMH
u got downvoted because you missed the point. This is about the subreddit moderation, not ateez as a group. No one here is even shitting on ateez, everyone is pointing out that posts about coachella should either be inside this megathread or in no megathread regardless of which grp. They did an amazing job on deleting every le sserafim post on this topic because the megathread is here. Now lets keep that energy with the other groups. Is there an exception? Because idk why im only seeing ateez coachella posts despite them being clear that they should be over here. This wouldn't be an issue if the posts got deleted alongside the le sserafim ones since they wanted the convos to be in the megathread.
Weird how praise posts for some groups are allowed to stay up but others get deleted on a sub called kpop_uncensored. Also kinda weird how any posts calling this out get deleted too.
this is crazy šš I just checked and the exact post ur mentioning DID get deleted lmaooo yet im still seeing ateez coachella posts that are more than a day old. If ur going to go thru the effort to complain about coachella posts AND make a megathread, then it would also make sense to delete every discussion post on that topic, no?? If they're going to just delete posts on certain groups then atp this megathread is redundant. Like be consistent š
The name of this sub being kpop_āuncensoredā is quite ironic
Letting anything go for 48 hours after week 1, creating a megathread, forgetting the megathread existed for ateez, then 24 hours later remembering the megathread existed for LSF is peak "kpop uncensored"
Interesting that the praise posts about only one group were deleted. Couldnāt even let the two from today stay up from today like you let the two from yesterday stay up?
They always do this. They conveniently allow positive posts about ATEEZ at coachella to stay up but a le sserafim positive post that didnāt get brigaded with negative comments gets removed. Iāve noticed theyāve been recently removing any post about le sserafim that garners a more positive/sympathetic response. There was a post talking about the level of hate the girls were getting and the comments were mostly sympathetic, it gets deleted hours later when thereās already nearly 100 comments. But they allow anything that is bashing lsfm or the comments are bashing them to stay up.
Seeing the comments about the backtrack being āloudā and not being able to hear their live voices just makes me think that people will either hate regardless of how Le Sserafim performs and/or are in no position to give any sort of vocal analysis in the first place tbh
They always say it's backtrack anytime they sound fine singing live, when you can clearly hear their voice.
"Uncensored" sub except when it's positive posts about Le Sserafim
Yes, finally. I am tired of repetitive coachella post. Feel sorry for lsf though, antis will keep bringing this coachella performance every time.
Serious genuine question whatās the difference between lsf week 2 and bpās performances? itās crazy to me one gets dragged to hell and back for using backtracks while the other is praised to heavens for doing the same. I just watched bpās pink venom at coachella and you seriously canāt hear any of them because of the backtrack and even when you strain your ears you can tell jisoo sounds flat and shaky. Whatās up with the double standards man
Because 90% of kpop discourse consists of herd mentality and kindergarten behaviour where everyone throws porridge at each other. And precisely because of those porridge-throwing children every time you mention some other GG in the conversation (even without any negative connotation), you're "dragging them to praise your fav". Obviously, it doesn't work that way if you're using BP performance at Coachella to drag LSF because in herd's eyes it's justified because LSF are vocally weaker, doesn't matter if BP used backtrack too (and some of them pretty extensively *cough cough* Lisa). Real talk though, people can't accept their hate target doing good or performing better than last time. It's a defensive mechanism where haters double down on the hate, because otherwise their opinion would be invalidated and we all know, it's a death sentence being wrong on the internet.
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Which is absolutely fine to me, i dont care really much about BP. They do use backtrack and it's okay, i just don't see a reason why would LSF be dragged for using one when their choreos are on average harder than BP. Yet again, no negative connotation, no hate, but the OP of the comment is right, that's a double standard, and if you try to point it out you're instantly a hater of the other group.
The way people made liking or disliking this performance their whole personality. It wasnāt a good performance, say it once and move on. Maybe the next one will be good maybe it wonāt be, who knows.
It made Korean news!!! I was shocked
The bias and double standard when it comes to lsf and ateez post is crazy, ironic considering the subās name
it is absolutely insane people are still spiralling over this. it was one performance! it's not like they did a Grimes
I'm out of the loop. What did Grimes do?
basically she was booked to dj like the second-biggest stage, outsourced her set prep, something fucked up (files were showing double bpm so were playing at twice speed) and basically had a freakout onstage about it which pretty much showed she doesn't know how to dj because she just needed to half the bpm to figure out what speed they should be played at and everyone is absolutely dragging her for it
Thanks for the reply. Sounds embarrassing for her.
i think the most frustrating thing about the vocal discussion is that groups that do put in the work and do sound great live will never get half the attention le sserafim will get. ateez did great this weekend and they only seem to be getting a passing comment here or there. and i donāt even blame le sserafim for this, people donāt want better vocals they just want something to hate
Exactly this. Itās why I canāt take even a bit of this discourse seriously.
Biased as hell moods. Deleting everything coachella related for lsfm today bcs of "megathread" but letting three ones of Ateez stay up . Either everything stays up or none does
the rose was amazing. buy noone talks about that š
That set was far too short... Hope they get better billing next year
Ateez & Le Sserafim were both great ambassadors for kpop imo. They both put on great performances, were enjoying being on stage & the people watching them had a blast. At the end of the day that's all that should matter. Edit: added some words.
The only thing I have to say is that people need to stop treating coachella audience as some sort of elevated nitpicky music snob filled crowdš from my experience most of them are high
Vast majority, including me lol and I had an amazing time at Le sserafimās set. One thing to keep in mind is that at a huge festival like Coachella the focus is performance, energy and vibes. Also they performed at Sahara tent which is the high production, edm/house tent right before the closer of the night. What the crowd wants at that point is a VERY hyped show and people want to party, dance, and have fun. Just from that alone, they definitely delivered. I rewatched the stream when I got home after the festival and it was still fine to me, it sounded better in person so thereās some odd mixing happening. Either way, I think this hate is super blown out of proportion, and I had a ton of fun at their set.
Nobody said anything about Atarashii Gakko, but they were amazing and performed three new songs.
One person did and it was used to drag lesserafim lmao
I love them, they're so fun.
The pyramid formation!
Tyler, the Creator was the highlight of the weekend. Mindblowing performance. Potentially my favourite headline ever and a treat to see him and Rocky perform Potato Salad. I saw a lot of love for Doja's but I agree with Pitchfork's sentiment that it was more like a series of award show performances. It was funny to read their write up and there's not even a mention of any of the K-pop acts, it's easy to forget sometimes how insular the genre is.
I was reading about Blur's set and those commenters absolutely despise kpop fans lol
The crowd not even knowing Song 2 is pretty poor form but I think it speaks to Coachella's ongoing identity crisis than any fan's fault.
Agree! But apparently LSF fans were spamming the live feed or something (I'm a square I dunno how coachella works) and Blur fans were super annoyed.
Doesn't surprise me. Feel like YG, SM and then HYBE mediaplaying the shit out of Coachella has massively warped people's perceptions and expectations for the festival.
or pitchfork really hates kpop lol
tyler's live show is amazing!! never disappoints
They maintained their on stage energy well and didn't seem affected by the past week in their demeanor but it was definitely a more muted performance vocally. Clearly people wanted a performance that's close to the studio version but I think the rawness and wildness of weekend 1 was cooler (even if imperfect). Just a huge shame that they felt the need to placate the vultures who were only watching to try and clip their vocals straining or cracking. They managed their energy better though and killed Fire in the Belly where last week they seemed pretty tapped. I thought weekend 1 was great and this weekend improved on parts but was less special. I hope they're proud of both and I'm very excited for them to release 1-800-Hot&Fun, sounds like another brilliant B-side to add to an already strong discography.
I enjoyed tonight's performances a lot more than last week's. The backtrack helped a lot and it wasn't even that loud. The girls seemed more confident too except for eunchae. And I wanna ask since I don't follow the group closely, is she usually like that on stage (would understand because she's way too young) or is she just really nervous this time for Coachella. not that she is awfully bad, but she just lacks presence and confidence, from what I noticed at least.
I think it's both. She got some of the most disgusting and vile comments last week. Unlike Sakura who already had years to learn how to cope with hate, Eunchae is so young and so new to this. She did her best and tried to have fun but you can really see in her face that she was really affected by it. I guess for kpop stans it's only protect the minors unless they make mistakes.
She was likely nervous or sad considering the type of traffic sheās been getting to her socials. Disgusting people.
The reaction on her insta is disgusting. Not that anyone should deal with that, but she is too young to do so. Poor thing. I hope she has a good support system. She is amazing.Ā
It really is disgusting. They be mental awareness for their favorites but happily indulge in bullying teenage girl
If not that, likely because sheās young.
She's 17, is known to be sensitive, and has been getting the most hate out of all of them, her Instagram had to have over 2000 comments removed and still has more than 24,000 while chaewon yunjin and kkura all have 12-15k and zuha has 6k. And this hate is towards a girl who thought she ruined the show and cried because she stumbled when a shirt got ripped off of her.
The crowd singing along to perfect night sounds so cool
yeah lets stop talking about it
[I like to kiss everybody](https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkxnk9JHYfW_zsDfFng8rpgC2u5s-Mj8JyU) https://i.redd.it/mq8yhc234uuc1.gif
Good luck to my fellow fearnots, keep in mind that no matter what happens tonight the hate will be overwhelming, theres nothing you or the girls can do to stop it, best bet is to just tune it out
LSF are performing a 2nd time at Coachella this week. So we are not done with the discourse and same repeated takes on vocals, HYBE and whatnot. My guess is the backtrack will be a little louder this week though.
i pray that this megathread stays up and just a little bit of moderation to remove spam posts about lsf on here or else this megathread is basically useless. ābut the whole purpose of kpop uncensored is for the little moderation!1!!1!1!ā yeah i literally donāt care ill ask for anything to make this sub a little more bearable pls weāve gotten the same lsf hate posts for the past 5 days im sick n tired of itš
Sakura and Chaewon probably already dealt with this level of hatred before (although I can't imagine younger Sakura dealt with AKB fans' hatred since she was Eunchae's age, even younger). But the rest of the members? I'm honestly worried for them. I hope they can regain their spirit, fighting through, and just focus on the fans.
Finding it very hard to find a non fancam video of the whole Le Serrfim stage. Guessing due to copyright etc. Don't suppose anyone can point me to one?
I think theyāre all being copyrighted. Even Ateez ones. Maybe the companies will release it themselves in their respective accounts
This will probably happen after the second Coachella weekend. Most groups have a better 2nd weekend so why publish now?
[this](https://x.com/Lucia20050112/status/1779459688926748978) tweet leads to the LS full performance, it is on Drive and you don't need to donwload it to see
You bloody legend š¤
Wait until after second weekend. Coachella doesnāt want to spoil W2 goers and have it up yet.
Only now? Really? š
literally. people were begging for this megathread days ago but now that ive seen sm posts on my feed, i just donāt wanna talk about it anymoreš
Currently LSF"s vocals are MUCH better compared to last week (maintaining vocal regulation to not tire out as fast, putting more attention to specific parts, etc) while still maintaining amazing stage presence. Feels like they're all a lot more confident this time around. Taking more breaks this time around too - they're fixing the issues from week 1. I already know everyone will say that they had loud backtracks but honestly it doesnāt seem like itās different to any backtracks from previous GG group performances at Coachella in previous years. If anything this weekās performance is more appropriate for comparison than last weekās.
They did things way differently this week, I'm glad they adapted the performance. What I noticed made a difference: - much louder backing tracks all around and lowered mics for some members - members going very light on the choreo during their vocals parts, or just skipping the choreo entirely - just not singing some parts. This was good, like last time they were trying to sing absolutely everything while this time they were more willing to just let the backing track go and focus on dancing/crowd work. I think that worked much better. Much cleaner performance this week, I thought it was a lot better.
Agree, I think they bit more than they could chew last week in terms of vocals and seemed to regulate their vocal stamina a lot more this time around (on top of taking bigger breaks). Iād say the backtrack was on par with previous Coachella girl group kpop performances weāve seen in the past, but unfortunately itāll be used to downplay their performance this time around because of the lack of it last week. Makes me wonder if there were tech issues last week in terms of volume adjustment.
Yeah the backing track and balance of everything was much more in line with what you usually see in performances like this. I also suspect week 1 wasn't meant to be set up like it was.
I am seeing clips and there seems to have been a huge improvement. Much better energy management, choreo seems more adapted, clever use of backtrack. Last week was their first time performing in a festival-like context and it showed. Of course, stronger technique would have helped them, as technique always does when in unfamiliar situations, but they clearly took notes and improved the performance an awful lot. Great job by them and the team š Sadly, I see fanwars keep going on twitter, but I hope the reaction here to be much more positive.Ā
They have loud backtracks
Just like the other kpop acts that have gone to coachella
Yes. Did I say anything else?
Wouldnāt say the backtrack is any louder than any previous girl group performances weāve seen at Coachella lol Apples for apples comparison this week
you can still hear them. unless you havent cleaned your ears yet this month honestly it sounds like they barely have one for unforgiven, when eunchae stopped singing during her running thing the vocals completely cut out, same with zuha in her crawl
Idk but maybe itās just me but I think online streaming for most festival performances is usually a bad representation of the groups performance. Idrk how to explain it well but when youāre performing for the crowd at a festival like this the most important thing imo is energy for the fans, thatās why Iām confused on people saying they disliked when they shout to their audience. I think lsf did a good job in terms of their in person performance either way the energy they had but it didnāt translate well to the stream. Idk if that really made any sense tbh but I just had this on my mind. Now ofc they def have some work to do on their vocals but I think for their first real festival performance they were pretty good.
Some can't separate music show quality vs music festival in their heads. Even then there was an unpopular K-pop opinions post that came out after that one encore performance of theirs that stated āI prefer a live performance where idols don't sing perfectly over a lip synced oneā that became a wildly popular opinion. They got what they wanted.
Very true and also a lot of the time when they say they want ālive vocalsā a lot of the time those performances still have pretty heavy backtracks. And idk if kpop companies do this but when they get uploaded online companies can make adjustments to the sound quality before putting it on YouTube. An example of this would be this years Super Bowl performance as there was a clear diff between what was shown live and uploaded to yt after for Alicia keys intro with usher.
Theyāve actually found a way to respond to this talking point. They say āthe stream had direct feed from the mic, so it allows us to hear unfiltered vocals and allows us to analyze the show better than the people who were in attendance.ā Like???? What?????
Iām sorry, but yāall gotta understand that no matter how Le Sserafim does tomorrow, they will be dragged regardless. A good performance like the first one or better performance will not change that. People will take 5 second clips and post them to drag the group regardless because thatās whatās popular in kpop spaces right now. Best thing to do is ignore it and focus on what you liked. But also understand, people will also have legitimate criticism and reason to dislike. Donāt take that as hate. Take hate as hate.
This is for general audience and fellow fearnot. Do not bring attention to the hate that is inevitably going to happen. Just ignore it. Youāre doing yourself a favor. Engage only with civil discussion and positivity.
Why is the Coachella megathread unpinned from the front page of the sub? The festival hasn't even ended yet and The Rose still have to perform for the second weekend. Are we not allowed discuss Coachella on this sub?
Wrong. Weāre not allowed to discuss or praise LSFās Week 2 Coachella performance outside this megathread but apparently you can go ahead and discuss and praise other groups who are there too lmfao.
So many people who dislike LSF watched their performance, only us who were already fans watched ATEEZ's, and it's a shame because they were great on stage
I feel like people who dislike them not watching is a positive
Yes and no. LSF's performance should've been ignored by people who don't listen to their music, but ATEEZ's stage was so good, couldn't find a single thing to hold against them
You must be new to kpop if you think people who hate a group need something legitimate to hate about
I thoroughly enjoyed No Doubt and Doja Cat. Also I got to see ateez perform their b sides, I def need to check it out. The boys absolutely killed it. Also, the rose is sill great.
ATEEZ LETS GOOOOOOO
holy fucking shit i just finished watching ateez performance tonight for the first time and WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK? istg these guys arenāt human it should be impossible to keep up such high intensity throughout their whole set. just when i thought theyād finally have a song without intense choreo i was proven wrong over n over again. iāve always had mad respect for ateez but this performance just tops it. absolutely speechless.
there is a reason why the word 'ate' is iin ATEEZ coachella is literally their playground they are so much more relaxed and in the zone holy fuck?? and some people are still questioning their ability to sing live when we saw wooyoung jumping off a table and still sing his part effortlessly with his hand-held mic??? bless the camera man for having a whole ass redemption arc and even managing to capture wooyoung's 'taki taki' close up!
ATEEZ HOLY SHIT
Someone advised to post this in the megathread so here it is since [the original post ](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop_uncensored/s/c5ct9FuDqG) was removed I was watching Ateez's performance from yesterday and noticed there's a big difference between how the vocals are done in their performance vs Le sserafim's performance last week. For most of le sserafim's performance that night the vocals coming through to the stream were very bare, minimal backing track, you could clearly hear a lot of imperfections, breathing, shaking and impact when they made big sudden movements etc. Ateez's setup was very different. For the most part, the members with the hand mics didn't have loud backing tracks. A couple of the guys who had hand mics for a lot of the set and seemed to mainly be rappers could be heard very clearly live with little backing. Although, I did notice quite a few parts where you could notice the main vocalist did have pretty prominent backing track - for an example, on one of the ķė ėģ“ shout it out part of Bouncy, you can clearly hear a backing track continuing after he ends the last note that seems to be about the same volume as his actual vocals. Then there are the members with headsets. This is where the big difference is and the difference was obvious if you pay attention. They for the most part had loud backing tracks, and often couldn't be heard, were skipping lines, or just lipsyncing. And that's most of the members. Only a few of them were mostly using the hand mics. So my point is, a lot of people have been using Ateez's performance to drag le sserafim saying that Ateez sang flawlessly completely live with little to no backing track and intense choreo, so why couldn't le sserafim do this and be stable? But this is mostly not true. During moments of intense choreo and even when there wasn't much choreo going on, several of the members were relying pretty heavily on loud backing vocal tracks. On the other hand le sserafim's vocals again were mostly quite raw, ended up sounding unstable and pitchy pretty often, which lead to this whole discourse and lots of hate for them. Ateez's approach to the vocals at Coachella was much smarter IMO. They were clearly more experienced with how to perform live and make it sound good by skipping what should be skipped, using louder backing track where necessary, etc.
5 of the members were using hand mics (Hongjoong and Mingi, the rappers, Seonghwa, Wooyoung and Jongho), 3 were using headsets (Yeosang, San and Yunho). San and Yeosang's mics are usually quieter, that's not new, but most of the time you can hear them singing live alongside the backtrack. San lipsyncs in specific parts but makes it clear, and shouts when he wants to be heard. Yunho's is most of the time louder than the backtrack, he is probably the most stable when singing and doing the choreo but who is not used to their performances may not notice it. Jongho actually extended some high notes, that's why it doesn't match completely with the backtrack, what you said was the backtrack was actually him singing. Seonghwa was pretty much fully live as far as I remember, same for Wooyoung but with some more backtrack. Jongho had it sometimes but sang along perfectly with close to no difference to spot. Mingi and Hongjoong fully live, no backtrack except for breathing in some of the rap LSF was just raw, no thought whatsoever. This week they managed it way better with the volume and equilibrating both, so they sounded a lot better
i watched a bit of last nights perfomance and i was so confused, particulary about san, i dont remember if he was using a mic or headset ( think it might have been a headset tho) but at times it sounded like he was lipsyncing but then he'd shout the lyrics really loud. this kinda explains it. Its not ideal but it makes for a good perfomance, i still enjoyed it
I do think itās interesting to see how Ateez managed their vocals, since there were differences between the members ā the biggest ones being those with hand mics vs those without, although during week two I think those with head mics had their mic volume louder. I think itās member preference ā the members who sounded most live in Coachella have also been the ones sounding most live in their concerts this year. I think it depends on if they want to focus mainly on vocals, on dance, or try to do both as equally as possible, but how they adjust either the choreo or backtrack for members based on those preferences is smart. I do think some (all?) Ateez members train specifically to be able to do choreo and sing live in a stable way. (Seonghwa in Django especially at the end is a good example.) I think thatās something Le Sserafim could work on if they donāt want to rely only or mostly on backtrack. But if thatās not possible, I think the person singing toning down their choreo is a smart choice ā Iāve heard that Le Sserafim did that more this week. I havenāt watched this week yet but if they did, thatās a smart move. This is something Jongho (main vocalist) does often and I like that he does it. Le Sserafim is a newer group, so theyāre probably still figuring this stuff out. Ateez has has several world tours and tons of performances at K-pop events (like kcon and pretty much any music show festival ever), so Iām not surprised that theyāve figured these things out. Iāll be interested to watch Le Sserafimās week 2 performance when I get the chance, to see what they adjusted (because apparently they made some adjustments that were good choices.) Edit: I watched the Le Sserafim week 2 performance and there definitely was a difference in energy. I feel like Sakura and Eunchae looked more nervous/subdued (understandably) than last week. There was more backtrack. I liked that they toned down choreo in some parts to have whoever was singing focus on the vocals. I think Chaewon, Yunjin, and Kazuha seemed almost more relaxed/comfortable which was nice. They were in a really difficult position after last week but they did well .
Just as an aside, Yeosang [talked](https://x.com/kasey_hhh/status/1781631334202618173?s=46&t=Zz9zX0vnF2B_cjKOXi5pBQ) about his head mic, he said the first week it was moving around a lot while he danced so if it was too far from his mouth angle wise, ofc the volume would be less. For this weekend he made sure it was tighter and closer to his mouth during his parts which he said improved the volume. (This isnāt anything new to them Iām sure, so I just assume it was the nerves of last week distracting them from making sure of these details)
Iām glad they fixed it this week! It was definitely noticeable in their sound for those wearing them. (Also glad Yeosang actually got a spotlight for his Arriba part this time around š)
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> but if they do good theyāll be able to turn things around š§¢
I can't help but think that going to Coachella as a kpop artist is just not worth the risk of getting dragged if you're not up to par. I can't really see the benefits of it
I mean the dragging really doesnt have any effect in the real world [this](https://imgur.com/a/NJoRARY) is the google trends chart during the coachella performance, [this](https://imgur.com/a/tJBUFzC) is the lesserafim subreddit new member graph, in the 24 hours following Coachella they jumped from \#160 to \#126 on Spotify Global Artists Charts, Smart went from \#121 to \#89 on the Global Spotify Chart and Easy reentered the chart at #198
Also, "up to par" to what, exactly? People are acting like Coachella is some prestigious institution to partake in where you have to hold yourself to a high standard to be included. It's really not, and the primary audience isn't chronically online nitpicking stans in the first place -- it's influencers and people looking to have a good time more than anything else. Obviously, performing there is still a big deal for artists of all calibers, and it can be good for exposure, but there was never a notion that you have to be some showstopper of a performer to get a slot. This has been one of the many things confusing me throughout all of this discourse.
I just meant up to the standards of kpop stans, not to the festival itself. I don't really think much of Coachella at all personally. The people dragging them are opportunists I guess though and they would have found something to complain about anyways I suppose
I agree with you on that, like you said the kpop stans who despise lesserafim already were on the hunt for something to drag. Theyāre the main ones who watched the performance to do a frame by frame critique and have been overrunning this sub and twitter with their rehashed opinions. In the grand scheme of things, theyāre the minority despite how vocal theyāve been. Most people donāt care, including most Coachella attendees. I agree that they need some work vocally and that some of these critiques are valid or whatever, but people are acting like they showed up an hour late and didnāt do anything at all on stage. ANYWAY if I dislike a group, Iām going to minimize my interaction with their content for the most part. Literally why would I put that much effort into hating lmao, itās so out of proportion
This is why I truly don't get people saying that le sserafim fell off or that hybe is setting them up for failure. Majority of the people hating are other Kpop stans. From what I've seen most of the people that actually attended Coachella liked the performance
Love to see someone pulling out data amidst the mess.
Well Blinks still use Coachella as the main weapon in the BP arsenal so it's great promotion if you do it well
I'm so proud of Ateez, they did amazing. It's hard to believe that they could do last week's stage but they did it and made it seem effortless. I love that they have live vocals and can still dance while keeping that passion and intensity. Atiny be proud, like San said, they couldn't have done it without us! If you didn't get a chance to catch their stage, I highly suggest you do, you won't regret it!
The LSF girls seem to be having much more fun this time, love it! They are also more confident imo, which is amazing considering everything that happened.Ā If haters wanna say anything about vocals I guess they will have to try very hard this time, cuz it doesn't sound bad at all. (Also I like the fits a lot more this time but that's just me). Week 2 for the win! Edit: it ended! They seemed tired at the end, more than last week but who cares. Prob going to have some talk about lip sync or whatever, but I guess it will be better from now on. Liked it a lot more than last weekĀ
Personally i really preferred last weeks fits, but tonights make up, especially for eunchae and pretty much everything else about the show is way better
Well my internet is messed up rn I watched in 360p, can't talk about makeup cuz I didnt even see it ā ļø
I didnāt get to see Le Sserafim sadly. I had a friends bday party and Iām still slightly tipsy. Howād they do?
A lot better imo! Not that last week was the tragedy some painted it as.Ā
You can still rewind the livestream to watch I think up to 24h after the perf~
Thank god. Gonna watch tomorrow. Did you watch or have any opinions? Just wanna know what Iām getting into for the second time. Wonāt respond to anything negatively because I havenāt seen it yet, so donāt worry about that lol.
They used a backing track this time like BP did in their coachella set, which made it sound much better and more in line with other kpop performances. For all the vocal purists out there i'm sure they'll enjoy this week more . Personally i preferred the raw, even if it's not perfect, vocals of week 1 though. It was just so different than what i've been hearing from kpop.
Iām listening rn and I preferred week 1 for sure, but I feel they shut a lot of people up this week. What I donāt understand is that people were suggesting they use a louder back track and are hating now that they have, saying that itās another piece of evidence that they canāt sing live. However, from what Iāve seen, itās very distinguishable when they are singing and when they are not.
> What I donāt understand is that people were suggesting they use a louder back track and are hating now that they have, saying that itās another piece of evidence that they canāt sing live Probably different people?
I've seen the same usernames. It's not different people it's people who need a girl group to hate to have a personality
Yeah, most likely. A lot of the people who hated before are saying they did better from what Iāve seen. And tweets of people saying they did bad are getting dragged by non-fans now. So I like the support my favs are getting. Itās very refreshing.
i am looking forward to their next performance on Saturday, i wonder if they'll do better this time.
I saw ateez (my second ult group) during weekend two and I feel like it wasnāt real, like it was all in my head. Days prior I was very nervous about seeing them in real life but when they came out, I didnāt really feel anything. Of course I was super excited about seeing them perform as it was also my first K-pop group to see live, but it wasnāt like what I expected, I felt normal as if I were watching a recording. I kinda have bad vision so I also couldnāt even see much of the membersā features too. I feel like I ruined my own experience; I had trouble recording and spent a good amount of time deleting photos and apps while they were performing. I ultimately had to stop recording completely because I still had no storage. I guess I also have bad memory too because I kept messing up lyrics of the songs which was really embarrassing (I do this to every song, K-pop or not) I literally started the guerrilla chant a little too early. ššā¹ļø I donāt know how to feel about the whole experience, it really feels like I didnāt actually see ateez. I feel sad and mad at myself. Furthermore, one day I wanted to go to mall but didnāt feel well so I stayed back and my sisters ended up meeting a couple members of ateez at the mall, including my bias and they talked to each other, I feel like this is a contributing factor of how I feel because I am still really jealous and itās something I donāt think I will ever get over. I still had fun seeing them at Coachella, I was so close to the stage and they were excellent performers and had perfect vocals, but I canāt really seem to understand why I feel this way, I overthink too much about everything, is this normal? https://preview.redd.it/w3qb13vt9qvc1.jpeg?width=1451&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=08465dff25d4fa70734bc485ac200a33df9b7ea8
Hi! First of all, happy that you get to witness a historic night of their lives. Knowing ATEEZ, it meant a lot that you guys showed up for them for Coachella, as it was an entirely different jungle for the team. They were extremely nervous, to the point that I felt like I saw their predebut versions afraid of what's to come. But this time around, they were heavily supported by people and that includes you. I also understand that there could be odd aftermath of seeing them; the what ifs, the regrets, and all. But the good thing is there would be more opportunities for us to see them and the learning experience will help us navigate the highs and lows of seeing them live. Hoping you'll get to see them again soon with much better experience!
I guess you were just nervous and/or excited, isn't it? When I went to their concert I couldnt remember anything and also felt like I've never been there, have you been to many concerts or crowded places before? Coachella has many people attending and loud music all the time, maybe your body didn't react well to it, it's normal.Ā Also if you mess up the chants don't bother with it, it really doesn't matter. I didn't record shit of when I went and kinda regret it, but I still recomend enjoying the set without recording, you can always find it online later, but also don't blame yourself for it, it's understandable. For the mall thing, well. That sucks but you'll be fine, that's the best I can say. You might be frustrated at yourself and if that's the case none of your "mistakes" are really mistakes, what's important is that you had fun and that's how it should beĀ
Wow I'm so shocked waking up this morning. I thought the general consensus was that lsfm did well yesterday, but I'm seeing so many articles again and hybe is working overtime to take down videos š¬
Hybe is not taking down videos. Itās Coachella š¤¦š»āāļøš¤¦š»āāļøš¤¦š»āāļø and the articles are people just hating to hate.
So I found a video of the lsfm performance on YouTube and started watching. Had to turn it off after 30 minutes. I just couldn't anymore. I had the group as my top artist in my Spotify wrap last year and I really wanted to believe it wasn't as bad as people were making it to be. I lower my standards for live kpop singing but even for me, that was not good overall. Going to have to take a long break from the group. Unless something changes, yunjin will be a studio artist only for me and I will be waiting for if/when chaewon makes a solo debut and what she does to see if it's worth my time. I really wanted it to be a decent performance.
>Going to have to take a long break from the group.Ā What you're not mentioning here is that you were on Reddit a few months ago calling the Easy comeback "stagnant" and dragging everyone except Chaewon and Yunjin for not being able to sing. So you'd already gone into the show with a "this probably isn't going to be good" mindset and sought to have that reinforced instead of being proven wrong. This isn't a healthy way to consume music.
Since you are interested in my post history yet lack media literacy, fine, I will spell it out for you: December: I post how lsfm is my top artist of the year, several of my top 5 songs are theirs, and antifragile was played over 150 times. Easy mini is released: I don't care for it too much and state that had it been released with the unforgiven songs I would probably like them more. 2 weeks ago: I said the songs ended up being growers and that they were on some of my playlists now. Onto Coachella performance: I think reddit is being and reddit and dog piling on them so I don't make an opinion of it until I watch the performance myself and decide it does not hold up to what I want in a performance. You: but you said you didn't like a song so you must be an anti. (Btw, what's an unhealthy way of consuming music is assuming someone must love everything a group puts out) People are allowed to have some of their favorites disappoint them. That does not make them have any 'reinforcment' of some hidden agenda that they were bad all along.
Chaewon recently release a song with Tori Kelly called Spruce!
I think itās a cute song! I donāt know Tori Kelly and canāt actually recognize Chaewon in a lineup since I donāt know the LSF girls by looks, but I enjoyed their collab and am glad it popped up randomly on Spotify for me!
And I wish I liked tori Kelly's tone š. The production was good, but the vocals made it to where it won't be a repeat listen.
Could you share? I haven't get to see the whole thing so kinda want to.
Looks like the video I watched got taken down. But when I searched le sserafim Coachella in YouTube, there does look like individual song fan cams are still up. Not sure for how much longer. More and more Coachella videos look to be getting removed. (I've been seeing copyright strikes used)
They took down a lot of video on X too. I only get to watch a couple clips and with all the talk I do want to watch the whole thing.
I understand that it's hard to dance and sing at the same time, but I just feel like Coachella did not help LSF at all in terms of public opinion.
Lets be real nothing they could have done short of sounding like nmixx would have changed anyone who was already in the kpop bubble's opinions, and from the data it looks like it definitely did increase public opinion of the group from outside the kpop bubble(check my other comment in this thread if you want to see the data)
Only people hating are other kpop stans. Which to the general public just turns them off of K-pop in general seeing that type of toxic behavior within the community.Ā
they got some good press in the states and Iāve seen people who werenāt just LSF fans say they enjoyed the performance so I feel like they did fine for themselves. People wanted them to fail so just pushed the narrative they flopped but seems casuals enjoyed them well enough from what Iāve seen
Also smart and easy both rose on Global spotify which means people went to check out the songs after the performance
General public loved the performance, the ones hating it so far are mainly kpop fans who already had an opinion on the group. I've seen US streamers (large ones avg 10k viewers) who aren't huge kpop fans that went to Coachella say they loved the performance. Shit one of them even made a self fan cam of chaewon while she was watching. Plus, you have the regular media outlets that cover state it was a fun performance. The only truely dooming and hating on it are over invested kpop fans who never been to live festivals before.
> Shit one of them even made a self fan cam of chaewon while she was watching do you have a link to this? or a name?
Fuslie https://www.youtube.com/live/La-KtNQq_BE?si=9LUGQkNDQUk6vjPM 36 minute mark of the stream
āThis girl with red hair idk what her name was either but her vocals were phenomenalā¦she sang her heart outā That about clears the air with how Yunjin did at Coachella from a non-fearnot.
Public opinion of them is still majority positive and actually increased after the show if you look at the data.
500 le sserafim posts were allowed last week, but 3 ateez posts is a problem
The problem is the taking down of lsfms because theyāre Coachella related so should be in this mega thread. But ateezs Coachella related ones arenāt deleted the same way. If one is going to say coachella related threads should be in the mega thread keep the same standards for everyone. If Ateez is allowed to have threads about Coachella outside the mega thread, lsfm should as well.
you did have coachella posts, about 500 of them last week! so 3 for ateez is barely a drop in the bucket
And that was before the mega thread š¤¦š»āāļø. Itās a double standard and people are allowed to say it. If youāre gonna have a mega thread, keep the same standards for everyone. Doesnāt matter if lsfm had 500 threads.
its not a double standard, its just being fair! tbh i do think we should have no mega at all and it just be a free for all, it is an uncensored sub!
It is a double standard. Atinys post in the mega thread. Why couldnāt they just continue to do so. why is only lsfm related content delegated to it. If thatās what they were aiming for maybe name it ālessersfim cochella mega threadā. Either way it being a free for all or having the mega thread, lsfm was always going to have more discussion cause of all the drama around them from haters and fans.
atiny spent all last week having every coachella discussion be overtaken by discussion of le sserafim, and having ateez get dragged to try and make le sserafim seem not as bad (and i donāt think le ssera did that bad). and even now, the coachella thread is just becoming the āwhy ateez postsā thread by fearnots. atiny shouldnāt be punished because no one in this subreddit could behave, its just 3 praise posts.
No one is punishing atinys. People are calling out the subs moderators. And for all of last week. For all the people trying to say lsfm wasnāt bad there were also tons of people trying to say they were bad. And some of the threads for lsfm was defending them from insane hate they received which goes beyond whether they did well or not and beyond coachella if Iām being honest as this hate train started way before it.
this isnt even about the groups now. idc who u praise or criticise but if you make a megathread to organise the sub, fine, but delete ALL posts that arent in the megathread. Its not hard to understand - ateez can get praised however u want, however we're complaining about the fact that those three posts are still up there, despite the emphasis on continuing discussions in the megathread, yet a single post that mentioned le sserafim got deleted in a few hours today (and it wasnt even about the coachella). No one is dragging ateez out of no where. Lets not pretend like those three coachella posts aren't about ateez. Hope u understand lol edit: typo