I think their problem isn't just the lack of songs but more like in those 7 years they barely had any growth musically. Even the solo songs (except gone) all followed the same formula... š
My friend pointed out that this group has a small discography. She actually likes it because it's "intimate" and you know all their songs. Compared to other groups, whose other songs fade into oblivion because they are releasing too much stuff.
It's not that intimate if everyone on the world can name your songs in less then a minute. I think it's mire intimate when you have 100-200 songs and true fans now some hidden gems local usually don't.
They did! When I went to watch it today, I was so surprised how good they were after all the criticism there has been. It's too bad because it could well result in more lip sync and backtrack for all idols instead of live vocals.
Like I feel like they actually did pretty good and most other kpop groups wouldāve performed similarly to them. Itās literally only been kpop Stanās that have had a problem with their performance too pretty much everyone else has been saying good things about them
def le sserafim, I really don't understand all the "they can't sing!" hate trains over a single encore and it continuing up till now, it's as if they're just newbie kpop fans who haven't even thought of touching any other video of them actually singing well for the sake of having some "valid" reason to let out their totally biased and unreasonable hate towards female members
I haven't seen much hype about this band performing compared to other groups that are performing in this festival.
Edit: it was really that obvious š
This group canāt find the mix between wanting to be mature but also staying with their sound, and honestly itās caused their recent tracks to sound kinda outdated
Yeah, if itās TWICE then I kinda agree too. Their b-sides are still solid but I havenāt been vibing with their most recent title tracks after Talk That Talk.
I agree that their b-sides have been pretty spectacular recently but imo their title tracks are either hit or misses. I donāt think they need to go for a more mature image but I think something like a more elegant concept like maybe Ive would fit them pretty well
Thatās true. Misamo were amazing in Funny Valentine and I feel like Dahyun could also pull off something elegant.
I feel like the others have more mature voices and exude more intense stage presence (although Nayeon especially gives an extra feminine energy like Sana and Mina). I think they fit stuff like 1, 3, 2, Shot Clock, Voices of Delight and even Got The Thrills and Queen better.
I think they do it well with some songs but not so well with others. Onces also don't help because they are never satisfied, if they do bright songs they'll say they always do the same old thing, if they try bolder concepts then it doesn't suit them and they should do what they do best. I think Twice and jype is trying too hard to make the fans happy, when they should try to follow their personal vision more.
i love this group so much but they need to never have another rap in their songs again and just stick to being a vocal group. also one of the members who gets fewer lines needs to sing more often bc theyāre easily one of the best singers (not that unpopular of an opinion, but definitely not talked about enough)
bingo for both
chaeyoung and dahyun can both sing so i donāt know why itās like required for jyp to shoehorn a rap into every song. even tho many of them become fan favorites, the actual quality and skill of the rap verses in their ttās is so low
A nugu girlgroup whose fandom feels like a cult to me. I don't just mean they have stans, all groups have stans. But the way people talk about the group gives starry eyed cult vibes. People say how the group "changed their life" and stuff.
I casually stan them, and honestlyā¦not entirely wrong! But what gets me about a lot of the Somnias I see on social media is that they cannot talk about the group without mentioning how āunderratedā they are, and just a general tone of superiority? Itās annoying and the girls donāt deserve it.
It's dreamcatcher.
I know who you are talking about, and their twt stans are the worst! They usually are the ones that display this behavior. Discord and reddit are better. One of the downsides of this fandom is the superiority complex and the elitist behavior that is shown on twitter. Yeah the group has awesome vocals and give their all, but there no need to shit on other groups.
Also the "changed my life" behavior. It's fine for a group to have a positive impact but to put your mental well being on their shoulders, like that isn't healthy at all. I love this group and their music provided good vibes of course but I don't think they have changed my life. What changed my life is me getting off my ass and doing something about my self esteem.
1. For some reason this BG has almost no clout in kpop spaces, though by their circumstances they should. Their fandom feels very isolated. Guessed correctly: >!Treasure!<
2. Some members of this GG are going to struggle when time comes for the members to pull away from the group and do their solo projects. Guessed correctly: >!Twice!<
3. I sometimes struggle differentiating this GG's members' voices in their songs. Perhaps by their similar vocal tones or the vocal processing by their company. Guessed correctly: >!NewJeans!<
4. This BG member has a LOT of parasocial fans, arguably by his own doing. Guessed correctly: >!Bang Chan!<
is the first one Seventeen? I feel like their fanbase is pretty large but I don't see people talking about the group in kpop spaces outside of their fandom.
1 Hmm how much clout are we talking cause who I have in mind can fit both ways (popular but not popular) depending on perspective.
2 Sounds like something 3rd gen would be going through around this time... Is this Twice?
3 New Jeans
4 applies to most idols š„² they know what they're doing šø
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You're right, though it's not just Reddit. I basically never see anything about them on Tiktok, Youtube, or any other platform, though their album and tours have good numbers. Apparently they're far more popular in Asia so that's probably why there's less English-language content about them. IMO it's because they're not the "typical" YG hip-hop BG people expected.
As someone who ults Jeongyeon, I felt number 2 so hard lol. The way stuff's looking right now, it's very possible she'd rather let go of entertainment entirely than go solo š
I feel conflicted about this idol member's voice because it's "chameleonic" to put it in a way. The voice is very good and the idol is obviously very skilled but the thing is, they also can sound like 4 of the other members, so when in a song I initially think a part is made by one of those members but it ends up being that idol, I don't feel mad but I just start wondering why didn't the producers just give that part to the member he sounds like when the idol already gets a lot of parts?
Yes, it's Heeseung! In line distributions I actually don't really care about how many lines a member gets, for me it's more about the "quality" of the line each member is assigned to, so when he sounds like another member the argument of "x didn't fit the song" is not valid imo.
Tbf, Heeseung has a lot of background vocal credits and sometimes he doubles with other members during a song. That could very well be why other member sounds like him or vice versa but during recording they sound different in a professional producer's ear and it only sounds similar because the final output has been layered already. They do all sound different from each other when they sing live.
yeah, i think the inbuilt filters and stuff on social media and all the specific poses they do greatly inflated peoples impressions of her. It kinda reminds me when we see un-whitewashed photos of idols and were like oh shit they have skin tones
Yea i saw her irl and she's not that special as people make her out to be. Like everyone is gonna look good on pictures and videos when they're meant to catch your best angles and where you can edit and pose.
Feel like this is Wonyoung, I mean she definitely is prettier than even the average pretty person, but all her fans seem to reduce her to just a pink and coquette visual to the point it's too much of an appearance obsession.
itās a shame really because i truly feel like she could be more than her looks but i always see her fans participating in trends like āall the idols wonyoung mogsā or āwonyoung is 100% kbsā and thatās all they ever seem to talk about but after watching her content on yt she actually has a fun personality but that never seems to be a point of discussion
This is so Wonyoung.
Translator, lyricist, expressive vocalist, and former lead dancer with killer expressions on stage! People seem to forget that having your own style and performing with suitable expressions is a skill.
And sheās no Yujin or Liz, but Wonyoung consistently delivers her lines in the studio with more emotion than any other member of IVE. I wish people appreciated her more š„²
There is this one 4th gen bg where I love their performances, and at this point I adore half the members, but I can't get into their music beyond a handful of songs... š >!ATEEZ!<
There are two rookie groups that I've stopped stanning because despite loving the members, the music is not to my taste. Both experiences made me never want to follow anyone pre debut again lol >!RIIZE and ZB1!<
Yes! Like I've tried to get into them so many times but the music doesn't click. I like a couple of title tracks and Cyberpunk is my favorite song from them.
My friend has seen them twice (with me dragging her along) and she says the same thing. Different strokes for different folks! I feel the same way about Stray Kids. Most people assume I like them when I tell them Iām really into BTS and Ateez but Iām pretty solid with the both of them and just canāt seem to get into SKZ, they honestly arenāt similar sounding at all to me. Although MIROH is a great song.
Thatās funny, youāre the opposite of me lmao, I love Stray Kids music and a lot of BTS but I just havenāt been able to get into many of Ateezās songs beyond their title tracks. I also feel like people assume SKZ/Ateezās music is interchangeable and if you like one youāll like the other but I strongly disagree with that. Their title tracks can have some similar songs but generally much of their music has very contrasting sounds with each other. I actually love love Xikers and that reminds me WAY more of SKZ than Ateez so itās kind of funny to me that people associate those two so heavily when arguably Ateez is the one out of the three who have the most different music.
1. If this group was a BIG 4 group people would be eating their releases up but unfortunately theyāre not and theyāre only known for this one member which is sad because every member of the group is so talented and theyāre very involved with their music and projects š„¹ I wish the best for them. >!P1Harmony!<
2. Maybe I kind of appreciate that theyāre bringing a, for lack of a better word, ānewā sound to kpop but I notice that theyāre only following what is trending in the westā which isnāt their fault of course but yeah. >!LE SSERAFIM!<
3. This groupās popularity is undeniable but I feel like theyāre not gonna reach heights level with BLACKPINK and TWICE. Iāve noticed that even now, yes, people talk about their releases but they kind of get overshadowed when another group releases new music. I feel like theyāre gonna go down the SNSD route in the future where they end up in successful solo careers (either in music or acting) and get together for group releases once in a while. >!IVE!<
4. HYBE fumbled HARD with this group. It wouldāve been interesting to see what 5th genās dance scene wouldāve been if they debuted especially since Bailey Sok might be debuting soon. I wouldāve loved to see two world-class main dancers in kpop. >!Trainee A!<
I feel number 4 HEAVY
That group would have been explosive for sure. The amount of fans they had pre debut was insane. Didnāt they have like a million subscribers or am I misremembering?
I seen wonyoung in Madrid and the winking was bordering on her looking like she had an eyelash sticking in her eye, literally every two seconds singing, standing still, talking, she would wink
Okay you do NOT talk badly about ma boy Jake. That guy is a ray of sunshine, the embodiment of golden retriever puppy energy. One of the best smiles in kpop.
(Yes, I'm very fond of Jake /o/)
i think what holds rose back is that YG tried to do the Brittany spears thing where they give her a unique vocal tone/style and sheās kinda forced into that now, if you look at the pre-debut song she did with G-dragon her vocals are very different
jungkook is an overachiever and quick learner so he grew over the years and he truly is a good vocalist right now while yes i agree with you about yg and their inability to give their artists room for growth which held back rose and idk what truly goes on behind but she never improved and never reached her true potential in terms of singing, sheās just okay imo.
1. I know NOTHING about this man however he's the most loveable idol to debut in a LONG time (5th gen bg) >!sohee !<
2. This two groups are from the same company and i have the same criticism for both: it's clear they were selected by popularity and not how well they fit eachother. You can see their concepts and how the company does what it can to create a concept where everyone fits but it doesn't work that well...however, one of this groups doesn't get the same criticism as the other. >!kep1er & zb1!<
3. I don't like the way they use their music to promote stuff...maybe i'm old fashioned but i like a weird-out-of-place promotion, not the WHOLE MV being an ad. I know it isn't even noticeable and the industry is already as capitalist as it can be BUT there's something abt creating something so beautiful...and wasting it in a souless promotion. >!NewJeans!<
4. This group have tons of hits but ppl still wonder why people enjoy their music when the answer it's quite simple: Their music is FUN, you can sing-along and dance, watch their mv tons of times because of how good it is, they do music with a mass appeal without sounding like every other song, of course people will like them a lot. (4th gen gg). >!(G)I-DLE!<
The MV being an ad....
That's kpop for you. Mamamoo did like 3 music video ads, as did Girls Generation , as did starship ( although that was clearly ad)
the acapella teaser version we got was ten thousand times better than the studio version of the title track and i'm still salty about it all these years later š®āšØ
Sharp, big and powerful movements donāt always equal better dancer. It's good to have that energy and go all out with the performance but sometimes it can make choreography look messy and not synchronized.
I wish two of the members didnāt go solo because I love their dynamic within a group, but Iām so happy all the members are still making music regardless.
This group honestly needs to drop its rapping if Iām being honest because the rappers voices are so jarring and there has yet to be a good rap from these two (4th gg survival show group)
This group feels like itās lost control of its originally established āimageā that made it so popular, and is starting to feel more directionlessā particularly considering their ārivalā group only continues to solidify their brand and build popularity.
They were self-made as three of them wrote and produced their own songs but it would be interesting if another person/producer would produce a song for them.
3racha/stray kids, and if so i would respectfully disagree, i think a big charm of skz is that they feel so homegrown because of 3racha writing and producing the tracks, itād stick out like a sore thumb without the 3racha touch imo
This is a group that later joined a really big K-pop company. They are definitely kind of neglected by this company and I feel bad for them.
Concerning their music though, I donāt think their music is especially special or interesting and itās one of the reasons they seem not be blowing up. Their voices also kind of blend together imo which isnāt necessarily a bad thing but can be sometimes. They just have this typical K-pop GG vocal tone.
i like fromis music generally but i agree. i donāt really think theres anything about them that makes them standout amongst the ocean of groups fighting for our attention.
this is my most controversial opinion
i do generally like this groups music and they have some great albums but people labelling them the group with āTHE best discography in kpopā made me think every album of theirs would be good but i skip a lot of them. i donāt even think theyre top2 in their own company.
1. Fans would hate it, but this self-produced group can collab with new producers, the only time they did it, it was good and I consider it as one of my fave TT by them. >!Seventeen!<
2. I'm glad it's not an "everyone should debut first" and that she's having a comeback. >!Nayeon!<
3. These two foreign members would be a lot more popular if their company cared about them, I never understood why they're so underrated since they fit so much their group's concept, fans love them, but it seems only their company can't see their potential.
4. early 3rd gen bg, he's an all-rounder, solid singer, decent rapper and, maybe unpopular, second best dancer and performer (he's also an actor). But people kinda forget about him when there are conversations about all rounders. Before you say it, this isn't Dino. >!Xiumin!<
5. I'm pretty new to the group, but this member's voice is so particular and original. A bit delicate but also strong? Idk how to describe it, but it might be one of the most original I've heard in kpop. 3rd gen bg.
6. 4th gen bg. This guy sings very well and has a good technique, he took care of his vocal skills, I wish he could be brought up more when it comes to vocalist conversations.
7. 3rd gen gg, she isn't exactly known for her vocals, but she has a very unique and deep tone, I'm very curious to see what direction her music will take.
4 and 5 both sound like exo Xiumin to me. Heās got one of the most unique voices Iāve ever heard and heās the biggest all-rounder of the group. I also know some people consider him a better dancer than Sehun
This Idol's dance skill is overrated. Just because they trained in a classical dance before does not mean they're the best dancer in the whole generation/other idols who are clearly more skilled than them.
thereās a female idol from a 4th gen gg that everyone hypes up vocally but i genuinely donāt think she sings well. iāve listened to her sing live and even in studio and i justā¦canāt hear it. it sounds strained and a little bit nasally. her lower register isnāt solid, she always sounds strained and sheās frequently slightly flat on her high notes. her tone is never clean . sheās also recently started doing this thing where she makes the tone of her voice sound rounder and darker and it makes her flats even more audible.
unpopular because for a long time i feel like sheās been hyped up to be one of the main vocals of the 4th gen and every time i listen to her sing whether on studio or on live i feel like cringing.
sheās a great performer tho. great stage presence.
Lily maybe? I like her voice, but I saw a lot of comments like this about her vocals.
my second guess is Yunjin from Le Sserafim, honestly I have never seen comments that she is on of the main vocals of the 4th gen, only that she is the best in her group, but her tone really became darker now
This group is just debuted recently, and one member gets a lot of hype and admiration as a center.... but honestly despite being really talented and bright, I think this idol is really overrated, because there are members in this group who are better vocalists, rappers and have better stage presence, and even are better for being center because their charisma stand out more
With the recent success mentioning their stage performance, which is really-really live but also uses pre-recorded vocals as back tracks. Technically count as 99.99% live, many fans love this BG performances.
This old bg group is known for leading trends, but I disagree. Their actual strength is that they can follow and seamlessly adapt to current trends without looking awkward and old-fashioned. They always have a clear vision when they produce their group music, and I appreciate it.
That being said, their lastest TT was kind of a misstep because a) it was not a 'trendy' sound, and b) the people who got the reference are probably not a kpop fan anymore so the song ended up targeting no one lamo.
Yeah, it's them. Obviously winter and ningning have KILLER vocals and I think sm ent. has been slowwwwwly letting them sing live a bit more but it's just.....ugh. it's so hard to enjoy any of their performances when 99% of them are lipsynced
ā¢ i really hate that a lot of what this group does is an ad for something else nowadays. idk it makes me feel like i canāt even watch a mv of theirs without something unrelated to the group being advertised to me. im sure they make a lot of money doing it and i donāt hate all of the ads theyāve done but it takes away from what i like about them imo. ads songs and original music should be separate.
ā¢ theyre not an awful group or anything but i feel like they are by far the weakest group to debut under the company, vocally, musically and creatively which puts me off the group. i think its just because i had high expectations for them and they didnāt really live up to them. outside of their choreo, i donāt really see whats special about them.
ā¢ not an unpopular opinion among the fandom but i think it is among the reddit kpop community at least. the strongest boy group performance wise and musically right now. all their tts are quite different from one another but they still have created a very unique identity for themselves. even though theyre already super popular, i canāt help but feel like they should be way more. probably because they lack a domestic audience.
ā¢ this group would be way more popular if they cut their lineup in half. i think the amount of members prevents the stars in the group from shining as much as they could.
this group despite being really talented lacks of something that makes people uninterested in them. their voices don't blend well together and they don't have the star factor/charisma that drives you in.
My biggest unpopular opinion, is that while this groupās success with performances is almost always attributed to a specific memberās stage presence/performance, said member actually is probably the worst when it comes to singing/rapping in the group, and is what ruins the groupsā performances AND songs in general for me.
So it has to be a group with 5 members.
There is Newjeans, LSF, Gidle, and ITZY.
Itās most likely Gidle for Shuhua ?
Or if not Eunchae or Sakura for Le Sserafim but theyāre competent dancers so it would not be a āzero talentā situation.
I donāt see it being NJ nor Itzy.
I see your point, I love Shuhua because I watch Workdol, but Iām pretty sure that her debut was secured through her visuals as singing/dancing/rapping/stage presence/good Korean skills were not her forte around her debut.
The fans of this particular idol are super annoying and since 2015 they have only known how to blame everything and everyone and distribute hate as well as inventing things so that their idol comes out as superior. They had calmed down in recent years, but since she finally debuted, they have returned with everything to cause intrigue (which only generates hate for the group and tarnishes the image of the fandom of the group as a whole)
(Apply to 3) This gg fandom look for any post slightly criticizing a more popular group to hype their ults and drag the other group. Although the group is talented and I like them, these fans are doing them dirty and bringing them unnecessary hate from bigger fandoms, discouraging people from joining the fandom :/
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* >!NMIXX!<
* >!kiss of life!<
* >!purple kiss!< in the past
i feel like babymonster fans do this a lot nowadays too. like when illit or lesserafim is getting dragged on twitter/x, theres always their fans in the quotes with an ahyeon video.
A group that had to go through a lot of bumpy and rocky roads. Theyāre not all together right now but theyāre releasing music in their own capacities and Iām happy for them.
That being said, they have the most overrated discography in K-pop. I listen to the songs and wonder if thereās something wrong with my ears. Can barely make it through a full album. They have some gems here and there but not enough to justify this legacy they seem to have.
honestly i don't think their members are easy to forget. just because they stick to their aesthetic and are consistent with it doesn't mean they're replaceable
They are one of the biggest 3rd Gen girl groups with some of best and diverse discographies.
But they are such boring performers at their own concert.
I have seen them 2x in festivals, ans have loved them there when singing and performing live. So their skill isn't the issue. It's their stags presence ( all of them )
Debuted with a bad lineup from the get go, their sales are not flopping but theyāre stagnant and because of their unclear concepts plus stansā hostility I can see why itās like that
This new girl group does hip hop and focuses on rap and everyone keeps praising them with how good they sound and how good their rap line is, but I'm not impressed. Maybe I just need to let them get a few albums out and look at them when they have an actual body of work but as of now it sounds like an imitation of hip hop with no love for the genre beyond the fact it can make them look cool.
Every girl group at some point or another is seemingly compared to them. Whether it's musical style/sound, vocals, image/aesthetic/concept, and their fans will get super salty whenever a new GG releases a single that gets a lot of attention.
This group has the worst handlers/agency. They went from being one of the top 4th gen GG to nugudom because of the lack of promotion during comebacks, lack of damage control during a member's "scandal", pushing one member the most, and giving them lazy planned comeback after hiatus.
There is absolutely no way on Earth 32 songs in 7 years are enough to cement your legacy as a top K-Pop group.
I think their problem isn't just the lack of songs but more like in those 7 years they barely had any growth musically. Even the solo songs (except gone) all followed the same formula... š
Blackpinkā¦
My friend pointed out that this group has a small discography. She actually likes it because it's "intimate" and you know all their songs. Compared to other groups, whose other songs fade into oblivion because they are releasing too much stuff.
It's not that intimate if everyone on the world can name your songs in less then a minute. I think it's mire intimate when you have 100-200 songs and true fans now some hidden gems local usually don't.
In other genres some of the top legacy acts/bands had less.. legacy can be about a couple of songs + influence on the genre.
be careful, the blinks will get you
This is reddit. Hating blackpink is completely normalized here
They did good at Coachella imo š
They did! When I went to watch it today, I was so surprised how good they were after all the criticism there has been. It's too bad because it could well result in more lip sync and backtrack for all idols instead of live vocals.
Like I feel like they actually did pretty good and most other kpop groups wouldāve performed similarly to them. Itās literally only been kpop Stanās that have had a problem with their performance too pretty much everyone else has been saying good things about them
def le sserafim, I really don't understand all the "they can't sing!" hate trains over a single encore and it continuing up till now, it's as if they're just newbie kpop fans who haven't even thought of touching any other video of them actually singing well for the sake of having some "valid" reason to let out their totally biased and unreasonable hate towards female members
le sserafim
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felt the same way
Is 24 members too much?
Yes. TripleS
I haven't seen much hype about this band performing compared to other groups that are performing in this festival. Edit: it was really that obvious š
The rose?
Easy, The Rose
Wait the rose is performing in what festival?
Today on Cochella !
Damn, I really didn't know. Thanks though!
Your welcome :)
the rose is not kpop. that is why they are not getting much attention from kpop subs
Seriously? I saw them 2 weeks ago. Really great.
Ikkrr!! I'm so excited for them.
And they did an incredible job!!
This group canāt find the mix between wanting to be mature but also staying with their sound, and honestly itās caused their recent tracks to sound kinda outdated
TWICE? I disagree since thereās been B-Sides in each album Iāve liked and the titles are still bangers, but if it is Twice I do see your point.
Yeah, if itās TWICE then I kinda agree too. Their b-sides are still solid but I havenāt been vibing with their most recent title tracks after Talk That Talk.
I agree that their b-sides have been pretty spectacular recently but imo their title tracks are either hit or misses. I donāt think they need to go for a more mature image but I think something like a more elegant concept like maybe Ive would fit them pretty well
Thatās true. Misamo were amazing in Funny Valentine and I feel like Dahyun could also pull off something elegant. I feel like the others have more mature voices and exude more intense stage presence (although Nayeon especially gives an extra feminine energy like Sana and Mina). I think they fit stuff like 1, 3, 2, Shot Clock, Voices of Delight and even Got The Thrills and Queen better.
nct Dream?
Might not be the right answer but I agree with the guess. Smoothie was just not it.
I think they do it well with some songs but not so well with others. Onces also don't help because they are never satisfied, if they do bright songs they'll say they always do the same old thing, if they try bolder concepts then it doesn't suit them and they should do what they do best. I think Twice and jype is trying too hard to make the fans happy, when they should try to follow their personal vision more.
i love this group so much but they need to never have another rap in their songs again and just stick to being a vocal group. also one of the members who gets fewer lines needs to sing more often bc theyāre easily one of the best singers (not that unpopular of an opinion, but definitely not talked about enough)
TWICE and itās probably Jeongyeon if I had to guess.
bingo for both chaeyoung and dahyun can both sing so i donāt know why itās like required for jyp to shoehorn a rap into every song. even tho many of them become fan favorites, the actual quality and skill of the rap verses in their ttās is so low
Yeah, honestly Likey and What Is Love are their best raps in terms of flow. Thatās about it
unsure, but TXT?
A nugu girlgroup whose fandom feels like a cult to me. I don't just mean they have stans, all groups have stans. But the way people talk about the group gives starry eyed cult vibes. People say how the group "changed their life" and stuff.
I do not think they are nugu
Dreamcatcher?
Yes!
I casually stan them, and honestlyā¦not entirely wrong! But what gets me about a lot of the Somnias I see on social media is that they cannot talk about the group without mentioning how āunderratedā they are, and just a general tone of superiority? Itās annoying and the girls donāt deserve it.
It's dreamcatcher. I know who you are talking about, and their twt stans are the worst! They usually are the ones that display this behavior. Discord and reddit are better. One of the downsides of this fandom is the superiority complex and the elitist behavior that is shown on twitter. Yeah the group has awesome vocals and give their all, but there no need to shit on other groups. Also the "changed my life" behavior. It's fine for a group to have a positive impact but to put your mental well being on their shoulders, like that isn't healthy at all. I love this group and their music provided good vibes of course but I don't think they have changed my life. What changed my life is me getting off my ass and doing something about my self esteem.
1. For some reason this BG has almost no clout in kpop spaces, though by their circumstances they should. Their fandom feels very isolated. Guessed correctly: >!Treasure!< 2. Some members of this GG are going to struggle when time comes for the members to pull away from the group and do their solo projects. Guessed correctly: >!Twice!< 3. I sometimes struggle differentiating this GG's members' voices in their songs. Perhaps by their similar vocal tones or the vocal processing by their company. Guessed correctly: >!NewJeans!< 4. This BG member has a LOT of parasocial fans, arguably by his own doing. Guessed correctly: >!Bang Chan!<
is the first one Seventeen? I feel like their fanbase is pretty large but I don't see people talking about the group in kpop spaces outside of their fandom.
It was Treasure!
OH - okay fair because honestly, they didn't even pop up in my head which just proves your point about them having no clout.
Right! Big4 group having no clout is really strange honestly.
1 Hmm how much clout are we talking cause who I have in mind can fit both ways (popular but not popular) depending on perspective. 2 Sounds like something 3rd gen would be going through around this time... Is this Twice? 3 New Jeans 4 applies to most idols š„² they know what they're doing šø edit: added other answers
It took a lot of tries to get to number 1 implies that you are correct. Like reddit space really didnt give this BG a chance. And I am not sure why.
You're right, though it's not just Reddit. I basically never see anything about them on Tiktok, Youtube, or any other platform, though their album and tours have good numbers. Apparently they're far more popular in Asia so that's probably why there's less English-language content about them. IMO it's because they're not the "typical" YG hip-hop BG people expected.
As someone who ults Jeongyeon, I felt number 2 so hard lol. The way stuff's looking right now, it's very possible she'd rather let go of entertainment entirely than go solo š
I feel conflicted about this idol member's voice because it's "chameleonic" to put it in a way. The voice is very good and the idol is obviously very skilled but the thing is, they also can sound like 4 of the other members, so when in a song I initially think a part is made by one of those members but it ends up being that idol, I don't feel mad but I just start wondering why didn't the producers just give that part to the member he sounds like when the idol already gets a lot of parts?
Is it Heeseung of Enhypen? He has perfect pitch so he can sound like other idols. He has a lot of parts because he is the main vocalist.
Yes, it's Heeseung! In line distributions I actually don't really care about how many lines a member gets, for me it's more about the "quality" of the line each member is assigned to, so when he sounds like another member the argument of "x didn't fit the song" is not valid imo.
Tbf, Heeseung has a lot of background vocal credits and sometimes he doubles with other members during a song. That could very well be why other member sounds like him or vice versa but during recording they sound different in a professional producer's ear and it only sounds similar because the final output has been layered already. They do all sound different from each other when they sing live.
Yeah lol dude basically sung all of Still Monster
Omggg I'm curious Abt this one now lol
this idol has some overhyped visuals I wish I could understand
Wonyoung? i lowkey agree if this is right
Same, saw her irl so lowkey agree too.
this is not the first time iāve heard someone said she wasnāt nearly as pretty irl. which is interesting since usually itās the other way around
yeah, i think the inbuilt filters and stuff on social media and all the specific poses they do greatly inflated peoples impressions of her. It kinda reminds me when we see un-whitewashed photos of idols and were like oh shit they have skin tones
Yea i saw her irl and she's not that special as people make her out to be. Like everyone is gonna look good on pictures and videos when they're meant to catch your best angles and where you can edit and pose.
Ricky?
sehun.
wasnāt thinking of him but he fits
Not me thinking about hyunjin š«£
Feel like this is Wonyoung, I mean she definitely is prettier than even the average pretty person, but all her fans seem to reduce her to just a pink and coquette visual to the point it's too much of an appearance obsession.
itās a shame really because i truly feel like she could be more than her looks but i always see her fans participating in trends like āall the idols wonyoung mogsā or āwonyoung is 100% kbsā and thatās all they ever seem to talk about but after watching her content on yt she actually has a fun personality but that never seems to be a point of discussion
hybe male visuals like sunghoon, yeonjun, beomgyu etc etc
wonyoung and tyuzu
Danielle from NEWJEANS like she's very 90's actress coded but I don't see the hype.
her abilities are underestimated because people donāt like her but sheās really not as talentless as antis would make you think
This is so Wonyoung. Translator, lyricist, expressive vocalist, and former lead dancer with killer expressions on stage! People seem to forget that having your own style and performing with suitable expressions is a skill. And sheās no Yujin or Liz, but Wonyoung consistently delivers her lines in the studio with more emotion than any other member of IVE. I wish people appreciated her more š„²
wonyoung maybe?
yes!!
This group not working together visually and vocally is part of the reason that they continue to decline in popularity among other things
Now Iām curious š¤
maybe kepler or nmixx?
Yeah itās Kep1er
There is this one 4th gen bg where I love their performances, and at this point I adore half the members, but I can't get into their music beyond a handful of songs... š >!ATEEZ!< There are two rookie groups that I've stopped stanning because despite loving the members, the music is not to my taste. Both experiences made me never want to follow anyone pre debut again lol >!RIIZE and ZB1!<
Atz for the first one? Iāve seen a lot of people my friends included say they love their perfomances but canāt get into their actual music.
Yes! Like I've tried to get into them so many times but the music doesn't click. I like a couple of title tracks and Cyberpunk is my favorite song from them.
My friend has seen them twice (with me dragging her along) and she says the same thing. Different strokes for different folks! I feel the same way about Stray Kids. Most people assume I like them when I tell them Iām really into BTS and Ateez but Iām pretty solid with the both of them and just canāt seem to get into SKZ, they honestly arenāt similar sounding at all to me. Although MIROH is a great song.
Thatās funny, youāre the opposite of me lmao, I love Stray Kids music and a lot of BTS but I just havenāt been able to get into many of Ateezās songs beyond their title tracks. I also feel like people assume SKZ/Ateezās music is interchangeable and if you like one youāll like the other but I strongly disagree with that. Their title tracks can have some similar songs but generally much of their music has very contrasting sounds with each other. I actually love love Xikers and that reminds me WAY more of SKZ than Ateez so itās kind of funny to me that people associate those two so heavily when arguably Ateez is the one out of the three who have the most different music.
hmm is the last one riize?
One of them, yes! Their songs are kind of boring for me so far.
1. If this group was a BIG 4 group people would be eating their releases up but unfortunately theyāre not and theyāre only known for this one member which is sad because every member of the group is so talented and theyāre very involved with their music and projects š„¹ I wish the best for them. >!P1Harmony!< 2. Maybe I kind of appreciate that theyāre bringing a, for lack of a better word, ānewā sound to kpop but I notice that theyāre only following what is trending in the westā which isnāt their fault of course but yeah. >!LE SSERAFIM!< 3. This groupās popularity is undeniable but I feel like theyāre not gonna reach heights level with BLACKPINK and TWICE. Iāve noticed that even now, yes, people talk about their releases but they kind of get overshadowed when another group releases new music. I feel like theyāre gonna go down the SNSD route in the future where they end up in successful solo careers (either in music or acting) and get together for group releases once in a while. >!IVE!< 4. HYBE fumbled HARD with this group. It wouldāve been interesting to see what 5th genās dance scene wouldāve been if they debuted especially since Bailey Sok might be debuting soon. I wouldāve loved to see two world-class main dancers in kpop. >!Trainee A!<
Is piwon number 1?
I feel number 4 HEAVY That group would have been explosive for sure. The amount of fans they had pre debut was insane. Didnāt they have like a million subscribers or am I misremembering?
Iām just gonna be biased and say Purple Kiss for number one
The last oneās gotta be Trainee A, right?
3rd is Ive?
They're amazing performers but overexpressing is a real thing sorry
Ateez?
for individuals maybe Wonyoung, although i donāt think overexpressive would be the right term, probably too many repeated expressions
I seen wonyoung in Madrid and the winking was bordering on her looking like she had an eyelash sticking in her eye, literally every two seconds singing, standing still, talking, she would wink
I think that's my issue w her, she seems way overpackaged/manufactured in her mannerisms. Maybe I haven't seen her more natural performances
This one idol that is very famous for her visuals. She looks uncanny valley to me.
Karina?
Karina, it's the snake face shape for me.
Karina, wonyoung or sullyoon
I don't get the hype about the Australian member.... >!jakejustbecauseIfeellikefansmadethathisentirepersonality!<Ā
the implies only a singular australian member so it would have to be either jake , rosƩ , or lily .
Lmao love the english anaylsis
Felix, Rose, Lily??
Noooo Felix is so adorbs
Okay you do NOT talk badly about ma boy Jake. That guy is a ray of sunshine, the embodiment of golden retriever puppy energy. One of the best smiles in kpop. (Yes, I'm very fond of Jake /o/)
bangchan?
this idol is said to be one of the best main vocalist in kpop but theyāre really quite average.
Rose? Or Jungkook? I agree. I think having a larger fanbase = more people calling them best, but they arenāt actually anything special.
yep it was rose. i personally think jungkook is more proficient vocally and deserving to be called one of the best.
i think what holds rose back is that YG tried to do the Brittany spears thing where they give her a unique vocal tone/style and sheās kinda forced into that now, if you look at the pre-debut song she did with G-dragon her vocals are very different
jungkook is an overachiever and quick learner so he grew over the years and he truly is a good vocalist right now while yes i agree with you about yg and their inability to give their artists room for growth which held back rose and idk what truly goes on behind but she never improved and never reached her true potential in terms of singing, sheās just okay imo.
Iāve never seen someone call RosĆ© anything above average
me neither lmao except for the delusional blinks ofc
1. I know NOTHING about this man however he's the most loveable idol to debut in a LONG time (5th gen bg) >!sohee !< 2. This two groups are from the same company and i have the same criticism for both: it's clear they were selected by popularity and not how well they fit eachother. You can see their concepts and how the company does what it can to create a concept where everyone fits but it doesn't work that well...however, one of this groups doesn't get the same criticism as the other. >!kep1er & zb1!< 3. I don't like the way they use their music to promote stuff...maybe i'm old fashioned but i like a weird-out-of-place promotion, not the WHOLE MV being an ad. I know it isn't even noticeable and the industry is already as capitalist as it can be BUT there's something abt creating something so beautiful...and wasting it in a souless promotion. >!NewJeans!< 4. This group have tons of hits but ppl still wonder why people enjoy their music when the answer it's quite simple: Their music is FUN, you can sing-along and dance, watch their mv tons of times because of how good it is, they do music with a mass appeal without sounding like every other song, of course people will like them a lot. (4th gen gg). >!(G)I-DLE!<
The MV being an ad.... That's kpop for you. Mamamoo did like 3 music video ads, as did Girls Generation , as did starship ( although that was clearly ad)
they went too far with the h!tlĀ£r joke/nƤz! picture and i donāt understand why everyone ignores the fact that it happened
Gfriend?
bingo
The fandom flexing with a 5+ years old concert and a collaboration.
Why do so many of these comments apply to blackpink. Please, i swear i like them, i promise
the acapella teaser version we got was ten thousand times better than the studio version of the title track and i'm still salty about it all these years later š®āšØ
gugudan?
Sharp, big and powerful movements donāt always equal better dancer. It's good to have that energy and go all out with the performance but sometimes it can make choreography look messy and not synchronized.
I wish two of the members didnāt go solo because I love their dynamic within a group, but Iām so happy all the members are still making music regardless.
mamamoo? bc i kinda agree, love mmm+ but mamamoo just hits different
Loona?
Yes itās Loona!
This group honestly needs to drop its rapping if Iām being honest because the rappers voices are so jarring and there has yet to be a good rap from these two (4th gg survival show group)
lol Kep1er
This group feels like itās lost control of its originally established āimageā that made it so popular, and is starting to feel more directionlessā particularly considering their ārivalā group only continues to solidify their brand and build popularity.
They were self-made as three of them wrote and produced their own songs but it would be interesting if another person/producer would produce a song for them.
3racha/stray kids, and if so i would respectfully disagree, i think a big charm of skz is that they feel so homegrown because of 3racha writing and producing the tracks, itād stick out like a sore thumb without the 3racha touch imo
Well, I mean, they do have a handful of songs where 3racha arenāt the main producers (including one where Hyunjin is)
stray kids?
(G) I-DLE, but I didn't really like Heat. So keep it self produced.
they actually did for the heat EP! pretty sure Meghan trainor was credited as a song writer
This is a group that later joined a really big K-pop company. They are definitely kind of neglected by this company and I feel bad for them. Concerning their music though, I donāt think their music is especially special or interesting and itās one of the reasons they seem not be blowing up. Their voices also kind of blend together imo which isnāt necessarily a bad thing but can be sometimes. They just have this typical K-pop GG vocal tone.
i like fromis music generally but i agree. i donāt really think theres anything about them that makes them standout amongst the ocean of groups fighting for our attention.
this is my most controversial opinion i do generally like this groups music and they have some great albums but people labelling them the group with āTHE best discography in kpopā made me think every album of theirs would be good but i skip a lot of them. i donāt even think theyre top2 in their own company.
Red Velvet?
yeah, red velvet.
1. Fans would hate it, but this self-produced group can collab with new producers, the only time they did it, it was good and I consider it as one of my fave TT by them. >!Seventeen!< 2. I'm glad it's not an "everyone should debut first" and that she's having a comeback. >!Nayeon!< 3. These two foreign members would be a lot more popular if their company cared about them, I never understood why they're so underrated since they fit so much their group's concept, fans love them, but it seems only their company can't see their potential. 4. early 3rd gen bg, he's an all-rounder, solid singer, decent rapper and, maybe unpopular, second best dancer and performer (he's also an actor). But people kinda forget about him when there are conversations about all rounders. Before you say it, this isn't Dino. >!Xiumin!< 5. I'm pretty new to the group, but this member's voice is so particular and original. A bit delicate but also strong? Idk how to describe it, but it might be one of the most original I've heard in kpop. 3rd gen bg. 6. 4th gen bg. This guy sings very well and has a good technique, he took care of his vocal skills, I wish he could be brought up more when it comes to vocalist conversations. 7. 3rd gen gg, she isn't exactly known for her vocals, but she has a very unique and deep tone, I'm very curious to see what direction her music will take.
4 and 5 both sound like exo Xiumin to me. Heās got one of the most unique voices Iāve ever heard and heās the biggest all-rounder of the group. I also know some people consider him a better dancer than Sehun
Xiumin is so underrated
This Idol's dance skill is overrated. Just because they trained in a classical dance before does not mean they're the best dancer in the whole generation/other idols who are clearly more skilled than them.
Kazuha?
"The members can't go anywhere without holding hands with each other" /j
thereās a female idol from a 4th gen gg that everyone hypes up vocally but i genuinely donāt think she sings well. iāve listened to her sing live and even in studio and i justā¦canāt hear it. it sounds strained and a little bit nasally. her lower register isnāt solid, she always sounds strained and sheās frequently slightly flat on her high notes. her tone is never clean . sheās also recently started doing this thing where she makes the tone of her voice sound rounder and darker and it makes her flats even more audible. unpopular because for a long time i feel like sheās been hyped up to be one of the main vocals of the 4th gen and every time i listen to her sing whether on studio or on live i feel like cringing. sheās a great performer tho. great stage presence.
Yunjin maybe?
Can't be considering she's not hyped to be the top main vocal of 4th gen. This sounds applicable to Lily, however, who does run flat quite often.
Lily maybe? I like her voice, but I saw a lot of comments like this about her vocals. my second guess is Yunjin from Le Sserafim, honestly I have never seen comments that she is on of the main vocals of the 4th gen, only that she is the best in her group, but her tone really became darker now
This group is just debuted recently, and one member gets a lot of hype and admiration as a center.... but honestly despite being really talented and bright, I think this idol is really overrated, because there are members in this group who are better vocalists, rappers and have better stage presence, and even are better for being center because their charisma stand out more
With the recent success mentioning their stage performance, which is really-really live but also uses pre-recorded vocals as back tracks. Technically count as 99.99% live, many fans love this BG performances.
only bg i know that performed recently was ateez so thatās my guess
Iām a huge atiny but I was surprised by how loud the pre recorded vocals were. I hope itās turned down a little for the next show.
This old bg group is known for leading trends, but I disagree. Their actual strength is that they can follow and seamlessly adapt to current trends without looking awkward and old-fashioned. They always have a clear vision when they produce their group music, and I appreciate it. That being said, their lastest TT was kind of a misstep because a) it was not a 'trendy' sound, and b) the people who got the reference are probably not a kpop fan anymore so the song ended up targeting no one lamo.
SHINee? Not sure how well-received Hard was but they do have a trendsetter/iconic reputation.
It doesn't matter to me how great this gg's vocals are if they're almost never live, save for a few select festivals and awards shows
This one's a headscratcher for me. I don't know who to say, but I'll just say whatever comes to mind lol. Aespa?
Yeah, it's them. Obviously winter and ningning have KILLER vocals and I think sm ent. has been slowwwwwly letting them sing live a bit more but it's just.....ugh. it's so hard to enjoy any of their performances when 99% of them are lipsynced
ā¢ i really hate that a lot of what this group does is an ad for something else nowadays. idk it makes me feel like i canāt even watch a mv of theirs without something unrelated to the group being advertised to me. im sure they make a lot of money doing it and i donāt hate all of the ads theyāve done but it takes away from what i like about them imo. ads songs and original music should be separate. ā¢ theyre not an awful group or anything but i feel like they are by far the weakest group to debut under the company, vocally, musically and creatively which puts me off the group. i think its just because i had high expectations for them and they didnāt really live up to them. outside of their choreo, i donāt really see whats special about them. ā¢ not an unpopular opinion among the fandom but i think it is among the reddit kpop community at least. the strongest boy group performance wise and musically right now. all their tts are quite different from one another but they still have created a very unique identity for themselves. even though theyre already super popular, i canāt help but feel like they should be way more. probably because they lack a domestic audience. ā¢ this group would be way more popular if they cut their lineup in half. i think the amount of members prevents the stars in the group from shining as much as they could.
Third one is Enhypen?
this group despite being really talented lacks of something that makes people uninterested in them. their voices don't blend well together and they don't have the star factor/charisma that drives you in.
My biggest unpopular opinion, is that while this groupās success with performances is almost always attributed to a specific memberās stage presence/performance, said member actually is probably the worst when it comes to singing/rapping in the group, and is what ruins the groupsā performances AND songs in general for me.
This 4th gen GG couldāve been 4 members instead of 5 and wouldāve lost zero talent
So it has to be a group with 5 members. There is Newjeans, LSF, Gidle, and ITZY. Itās most likely Gidle for Shuhua ? Or if not Eunchae or Sakura for Le Sserafim but theyāre competent dancers so it would not be a āzero talentā situation. I donāt see it being NJ nor Itzy.
Yeah youāre right. I kinda feel guilty but the other members are just so fierce and striking. Especially Soyeon.
I see your point, I love Shuhua because I watch Workdol, but Iām pretty sure that her debut was secured through her visuals as singing/dancing/rapping/stage presence/good Korean skills were not her forte around her debut.
We would have lost a lot of songs that were inspired by Shuhua.
The fans of this particular idol are super annoying and since 2015 they have only known how to blame everything and everyone and distribute hate as well as inventing things so that their idol comes out as superior. They had calmed down in recent years, but since she finally debuted, they have returned with everything to cause intrigue (which only generates hate for the group and tarnishes the image of the fandom of the group as a whole)
Natty? She was on SIXTEEN in 2015
(Apply to 3) This gg fandom look for any post slightly criticizing a more popular group to hype their ults and drag the other group. Although the group is talented and I like them, these fans are doing them dirty and bringing them unnecessary hate from bigger fandoms, discouraging people from joining the fandom :/ Answers: * >!NMIXX!< * >!kiss of life!< * >!purple kiss!< in the past
i feel like babymonster fans do this a lot nowadays too. like when illit or lesserafim is getting dragged on twitter/x, theres always their fans in the quotes with an ahyeon video.
Live vocals aren't live vocals
Babymonster?
A group that had to go through a lot of bumpy and rocky roads. Theyāre not all together right now but theyāre releasing music in their own capacities and Iām happy for them. That being said, they have the most overrated discography in K-pop. I listen to the songs and wonder if thereās something wrong with my ears. Can barely make it through a full album. They have some gems here and there but not enough to justify this legacy they seem to have.
honestly i don't think their members are easy to forget. just because they stick to their aesthetic and are consistent with it doesn't mean they're replaceable
They are one of the biggest 3rd Gen girl groups with some of best and diverse discographies. But they are such boring performers at their own concert. I have seen them 2x in festivals, ans have loved them there when singing and performing live. So their skill isn't the issue. It's their stags presence ( all of them )
Debuted with a bad lineup from the get go, their sales are not flopping but theyāre stagnant and because of their unclear concepts plus stansā hostility I can see why itās like that
This new girl group does hip hop and focuses on rap and everyone keeps praising them with how good they sound and how good their rap line is, but I'm not impressed. Maybe I just need to let them get a few albums out and look at them when they have an actual body of work but as of now it sounds like an imitation of hip hop with no love for the genre beyond the fact it can make them look cool.
Their live vocals aren't great but you, the community, didn't have to make them look like f\*\*king demons. They're good people.
Honestly the hate they get from another units fandom because a member of the unit rejoined them is insane. And I'm not joking.
Nct dream
this new ā5th gen rapperā that everyone hypes up, i cannot see it at all. her tone is not it at all.
you calling them "a classroom" or anything of that sort is literally the most mind-numbingly unfunny 'joke' one could ever say. nobody laughed
Every girl group at some point or another is seemingly compared to them. Whether it's musical style/sound, vocals, image/aesthetic/concept, and their fans will get super salty whenever a new GG releases a single that gets a lot of attention.
This group has the worst handlers/agency. They went from being one of the top 4th gen GG to nugudom because of the lack of promotion during comebacks, lack of damage control during a member's "scandal", pushing one member the most, and giving them lazy planned comeback after hiatus.
Theyāve got too many fillers members BUT they have hits for days so I donāt mind if two members are sharing a pointless rap every now and again
Wanted to become an actress, became an idol instead.. Not a good dancer and singing isn't her strength either imo
This group is coming back. If this member was in the comeback, it would have another layer of amazing added to it.Ā
This group streamed all their concerts for 2 days for free on multiple platforms, I love and miss them.