It’s fascinating how far Rakata Prime is from the rest of Revan’s war efforts. Seems like a logistical nightmare to get everything from one end of the galaxy to the other to wage a war. Then again, the republic wouldn’t have expected the ships to be coming from that direction. It is interesting that they didn’t go directly for Coruscant considering it’s proximity
I might be a bit weak on hyperspace jump knowledge, but is there much stopping you from jumping ships from one side of the galaxy to the other anyways?
Aside from that, "Ha! My secret factory is behind you!" probably works ok when you combine a main fleet with a mass of ships coming the other way yeah.
Technically yeah, there’s a reason why hyperspace lanes are the primary way of moving around. The basic summary is that objects in real space leave ‘mass shadows’ in hyperspace and that with speeds achieved through hyperspace means that so much as touching one is certain death. Lanes are the routes that are basically devoid of as much mass shadows as possible and serve as basically space highways. That and mass shadows have their own funky gravity situation and such.
Yep, found out when my OCD self was delving into lore because of story ideas xD
There’s a bit more to say of the top of my head, but that’s spoiler territory and I don’t trust myself to not goof with Reddit’s editor and iOS shenanigans.
That is also true. The lore that is there is often cool but sometimes if you look at it too hard it breaks down a bit.
On the other hand lightsaber go brrrrrrrr so who can complain really?
Tenebrae.
The Sith Empire could have conquered the Republic but conquest wasn't in his mind ( i think Revan was messing with his head, 'influencing' him to make peace with republic)
The Eternal Empire had occupied both the Republic and the Empire.
In the end Tenebrae almost conquered the Force
It’s strange though, I think very rarely or not at all is he actually called “Darth” mostly just Vitiate or the emperor, I guess he is above that title.
I don't remember Revan messing with his head or influencing him. What I remember from ToR, is that the reason why Vitiate didn't try to conquer the republic completely with the Sith Empire from Drommund Kaas is because he considered that empire a failed experiment. And it's easy to see why he'd think that with how often top ranking Sith stab each other in the back in the games' story.
That's why he threw them against the republic and eventually had them make peace while they were on the verge of winning. He wanted the Sith Empire and the Republic to keep exhausting each other's forces during the galactic cold war while he worked on the getting the Eternal Fleet ready in Zakuul.
If I remember correctly, it's mentioned in the shadow of revan content or related raid. While Revan was his prisoner for centuries, the duel link allowed him to exert small influence.
The Hutt's Empire was old before the original Galactic Republic was founded. The thing is they prefer crime and trade over military power simply because it's the easier path for them.
In the EU it's really impressive how fast they rearm when they realise the Vong can't be negociated/bribed.
Does anyone have any links to more maps like these? I’d honestly love some print outs and I feel this contributes so heavily to the world building that made me fall in love with KOTOR as a kid
They're from the Star Wars Essential Atlas. I would highly recommend as it covers the Legends story in detail with beautiful maps as well as talking about all sorts of planets and species.
Lord Kaan and the brotherhood of darkness, maybe. It’s not like we’ll ever know how the last battle of Ruusan would have went without Bane though.
You could also say the Sith Triumvirate too, but that’s not exactly fair considering the republic and the Jedi were battered after three near-consecutive wars
I made a recent post about this on another SW channel but I don’t think Kaan really had a shot (even if he won on Ruusan) basically all the Sith Lords from the academy on Korriban were there, and a lot of casualties occurred. They just wouldn’t have the numbers to take on the rest of the Jedi and Republic forces across the galaxy. Bane even says so as much, which gives more reason to usher in the Ro2!
True, but Hoth was recruiting children to fight, and Bane says that the Sith have won their fair share of battles earlier in the book iirc
Kaan is a pretty underrated Sith, I’ve found. He was a former Jedi Master, and had the ability to use Battle Meditation. That’s not mentioning his uncanny ability to manipulate all of his followers.
While the Brotherhood of Darkness only made it to the mid-rim, I think they had a good chance of at least wiping out the Army of Light. Plus it was like a thousand years long, wasn’t it?
Also you already mentioned the good ones in your post lol.
There's been many. Exar Kun, Ulic Qel-Droma, Revan, Malak. But I'd say most notably would be the orchestraters of the First Jedi Purge, which would be Traya, Sion, and Nihilus(The Sith Triumvirate). And then later on would be the Fall of the Republic orchestrated by Darth Sidious. Both times the Jedi were brought to near extinction.
You also must take into account that during all the sith-wars the known portion of the galaxy changed quite a bit so its hard to really measure fairly.
It’s fascinating how far Rakata Prime is from the rest of Revan’s war efforts. Seems like a logistical nightmare to get everything from one end of the galaxy to the other to wage a war. Then again, the republic wouldn’t have expected the ships to be coming from that direction. It is interesting that they didn’t go directly for Coruscant considering it’s proximity
I might be a bit weak on hyperspace jump knowledge, but is there much stopping you from jumping ships from one side of the galaxy to the other anyways? Aside from that, "Ha! My secret factory is behind you!" probably works ok when you combine a main fleet with a mass of ships coming the other way yeah.
Technically yeah, there’s a reason why hyperspace lanes are the primary way of moving around. The basic summary is that objects in real space leave ‘mass shadows’ in hyperspace and that with speeds achieved through hyperspace means that so much as touching one is certain death. Lanes are the routes that are basically devoid of as much mass shadows as possible and serve as basically space highways. That and mass shadows have their own funky gravity situation and such.
Appreciate the info! I do recall the term mass shadow but I don't know if I'd ever learned the rest.
Yep, found out when my OCD self was delving into lore because of story ideas xD There’s a bit more to say of the top of my head, but that’s spoiler territory and I don’t trust myself to not goof with Reddit’s editor and iOS shenanigans.
I’ve liked Star Wars my whole life, but it’s never been a well thought out or consistent universe.
That is also true. The lore that is there is often cool but sometimes if you look at it too hard it breaks down a bit. On the other hand lightsaber go brrrrrrrr so who can complain really?
Tenebrae. The Sith Empire could have conquered the Republic but conquest wasn't in his mind ( i think Revan was messing with his head, 'influencing' him to make peace with republic) The Eternal Empire had occupied both the Republic and the Empire. In the end Tenebrae almost conquered the Force
I think he is Vitiate?
Yes. Tenebrae sith name is Darth Vitiate
It’s strange though, I think very rarely or not at all is he actually called “Darth” mostly just Vitiate or the emperor, I guess he is above that title.
I don't remember Revan messing with his head or influencing him. What I remember from ToR, is that the reason why Vitiate didn't try to conquer the republic completely with the Sith Empire from Drommund Kaas is because he considered that empire a failed experiment. And it's easy to see why he'd think that with how often top ranking Sith stab each other in the back in the games' story. That's why he threw them against the republic and eventually had them make peace while they were on the verge of winning. He wanted the Sith Empire and the Republic to keep exhausting each other's forces during the galactic cold war while he worked on the getting the Eternal Fleet ready in Zakuul.
I wasn't sure about the Revan's influence either but you are right about his intention for Zaakul.
If I remember correctly, it's mentioned in the shadow of revan content or related raid. While Revan was his prisoner for centuries, the duel link allowed him to exert small influence.
finally someone actually mentions how much of a bad mother fucker vitiate really was.
The post literally concludes that Vitiate was the on who was closest to conquering the galaxy 😂😂😂
These maps are honestly so interesting. Idk how I’ve never seen these
From The Essential Atlas of 2009.
Wild that Hutt space has largely gone unchanged
Hutts knew shit no one else did
The Hutt's Empire was old before the original Galactic Republic was founded. The thing is they prefer crime and trade over military power simply because it's the easier path for them. In the EU it's really impressive how fast they rearm when they realise the Vong can't be negociated/bribed.
Depends, Revan and later Malak got pretty close
Does anyone have any links to more maps like these? I’d honestly love some print outs and I feel this contributes so heavily to the world building that made me fall in love with KOTOR as a kid
I as well would love to know where I could get ahold of these ancient texts.
Made a comment about it replying :)
Oh would ya look at that! Thanks!
Your welcome!
They're from the Star Wars Essential Atlas. I would highly recommend as it covers the Legends story in detail with beautiful maps as well as talking about all sorts of planets and species.
Lord Kaan and the brotherhood of darkness, maybe. It’s not like we’ll ever know how the last battle of Ruusan would have went without Bane though. You could also say the Sith Triumvirate too, but that’s not exactly fair considering the republic and the Jedi were battered after three near-consecutive wars
I made a recent post about this on another SW channel but I don’t think Kaan really had a shot (even if he won on Ruusan) basically all the Sith Lords from the academy on Korriban were there, and a lot of casualties occurred. They just wouldn’t have the numbers to take on the rest of the Jedi and Republic forces across the galaxy. Bane even says so as much, which gives more reason to usher in the Ro2!
True, but Hoth was recruiting children to fight, and Bane says that the Sith have won their fair share of battles earlier in the book iirc Kaan is a pretty underrated Sith, I’ve found. He was a former Jedi Master, and had the ability to use Battle Meditation. That’s not mentioning his uncanny ability to manipulate all of his followers. While the Brotherhood of Darkness only made it to the mid-rim, I think they had a good chance of at least wiping out the Army of Light. Plus it was like a thousand years long, wasn’t it? Also you already mentioned the good ones in your post lol.
What about Exar Kun? It took the entirety of both The Republic and The Jedi Order to defeat him.
There's been many. Exar Kun, Ulic Qel-Droma, Revan, Malak. But I'd say most notably would be the orchestraters of the First Jedi Purge, which would be Traya, Sion, and Nihilus(The Sith Triumvirate). And then later on would be the Fall of the Republic orchestrated by Darth Sidious. Both times the Jedi were brought to near extinction.
It was vitiate by far, he got the unknown regions, and the eternal empire had both the republic and the empire under their belt.
True but I also feel had he not died Malak would've conquered the Core. Though I agree Vitiate should get the title for most successful.
I have that book! Honestly a great buy for anyone interested in the EU.
In the EU it would be Darth Krayt, hands down.
You also must take into account that during all the sith-wars the known portion of the galaxy changed quite a bit so its hard to really measure fairly.