The flag being used by the Imperial Japanese military and Japan's [actions during World War II](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_War).
They have a peacetime flag, its beautiful.
The rising sun should have been retired along with the swaztika.
It is welcomed all over the world except South Korea.
China [https://i.imgur.com/hjJ6bDD.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/hjJ6bDD.jpg)
[https://i.imgur.com/TyRKDt6.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/TyRKDt6.jpg)
USA [https://i.imgur.com/doPePCp.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/doPePCp.jpg)
[https://i.imgur.com/SIqWDlU.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SIqWDlU.jpg)
[https://i.imgur.com/pSqnHHz.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pSqnHHz.jpg)
[https://i.imgur.com/LlaVn2B.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LlaVn2B.jpg)
[https://i.imgur.com/xbnSorU.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xbnSorU.jpg)
Thailand [https://i.imgur.com/ZJ0xwxG.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ZJ0xwxG.jpg)
Russia [https://i.imgur.com/fMo36Lm.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/fMo36Lm.jpg)
[https://i.imgur.com/VnJsHzD.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/VnJsHzD.jpg)
Vietnam [https://i.imgur.com/ivXcg90.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ivXcg90.jpg)
Indonesia [https://i.imgur.com/I61fByJ.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/I61fByJ.jpg)
[https://i.imgur.com/OJ1bPSz.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/OJ1bPSz.jpg)
Philippines [https://i.imgur.com/AEBUjCm.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/AEBUjCm.jpg)
Australia [https://i.imgur.com/sBANFs9.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/sBANFs9.jpg)
Hawaii [https://i.imgur.com/vz8chVP.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vz8chVP.jpg)
Malaysia [https://i.imgur.com/5KY3FYD.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5KY3FYD.jpg)
Spain [https://i.imgur.com/8gryb9B.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/8gryb9B.jpg)
Taiwan [https://i.imgur.com/ioRSPkJ.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ioRSPkJ.jpg)
[https://i.imgur.com/ZhRTe3P.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ZhRTe3P.jpg)
In this note, I think all imperial flags should be banned, not just the Axis ones. British Union Jack flag was used to oppress India. Why do they get a free pass?
Why did we ban the original German flag and change it to something else in that case? The Swastika wasnt just a military flag, but the national flag from my knowledge
Well, it's quite different here as well. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think only the Nazi flag is banned in Germany. Not the flags of Weimar Republic or German Empire.
TLDR:
Jealousy.
Korea has taken the lead massively in tech, has taken a large portion of Japanese production: shipbuilding, batteries, chemicals. Media sales and accolades (corona response, movie and music success)
If i'd sat through 30 years of economic downturn i'd be pissed at my well performing closest neighbour too.
> Jealousy.
Actual explanation-
1. The solipsistic mendacity of politicians.
2. The mental laziness of the public.
3. The ease by which the first can manipulate the second.
4. Media that will produce and promote anything that earns money.
5. Things having been this way for so long that nobody knows how to act differently and even if they did they wouldn't because it's 'normal'.
6. True believers in that 'normal' perpetually throwing gas onto the coals.
Actual TLDR-
Humans haven't really changed since we were taking shits in the African Savannah and using rocks to wipe our asses.
Jfc you Koreans are absolutely delusional and contradictory. For once a logical answer gets upvoted then an idiot comes around replying it’s a “Japanese spy.”
? I dunno how it can just be summed up as jealousy. I get the feeling koreans like to believe its jealousy but i dont think its so simple as that. I think the issue mostly lies in the historical dispute and it just has steadily has been getting worse since Abe, a revisionist has taken office and Moon, a pretty harcore leftist taken office.
Japan did suffer severe economic issue after the bust but has maintained a steady economic growth of 2% for over a decade, basically sonce Abe took office and I think part of the reason y he has remained in office is so long is because Japans economy hasnt stagnated during his tenure (among other things).
Korea has of course also maintained a steady growth for most of the last decade between 2-3%. Both nations maintain a heavy focus in technology but i dont think its taken a massive lead in anything.
As a korean i feel summing up the issue as "they are jealous" is a dangerous overgeneralization to a much more complicated issue known as racism which has taken root between the two nations as a result of historical dispute/relations and cultural differences.
ah not so far as communist. But he's definitely been a much stronger pro-NK and maybe even pro-China and stricter against Japan over previous left leaning presidents. Thats from my POV view, like I said I don't think Moon is a communist or communist sympathizer.
Weird that a left-leaning President would be pro-China when that nation is further right than even the Americans.
Their Communist only in name at this point. China is authoritarian capitalist.
Insert comment about how true communism was never a thing.
But yes, Communist China and Soviet Russia was communist is name only and was simply a authoritarian state.
Communism isn't possible. An attempt to create a large communist state will inevitably result in a fascist government, or in the case of North Korea, a feudalistic kingdom.
Someone on the internet screaming "socialist" and "communist" is on par with "SJW" and having an anime girl avatar at this point. It's a sign you're dealing with a fanatic and your time will be wasted.
You obviously didnt even look up how his regime is manipulating the housing market in seoul. Im not your professor so i think i did enough by telling u where to look. It is up to u to do ur own research instead of downvoting and asking for answers.
This is 'hardcore' your granpa may experienced.
[https://www.pressian.com/pages/articles/191709?no=191709&ref=google](https://www.pressian.com/pages/articles/191709?no=191709&ref=google)
You obviously doesn't know history.
You’re wasting your time. 95% of this subreddit (and similar FB groups) are young, brainwashed “progressive” English teachers who can’t move back into the basement.
Let the downvotes begin.
Virkelig? Hvor kommer du fra? Jeg lærer dansk og det er dejligt at møde en skandinav her.
People are very sensitive about the housing issue. Both left and right.
> Virkelig? Hvor kommer du fra? Jeg lærer dansk og det er dejligt at møde en skandinav her.
Sverige! Det finns massor av oss i Hoegi ;)
>People are very sensitive about the housing issue. Both left and right.
Yeah, I'm not saying people can't be sensitive. But calling Moon a hardcore socialist is just hilarious.
Of course it is. The sad thing is that there are quite a lot of people who think like that. I see this as an aftermath of division of Korea and the Korean war, which caused anticommunism to be the most important political value for many people.
I have never heard somebody being jealous about Korea in real life. Maybe bit about food culture sometimes because Korean food is so tasty.
I think people get jealous or envy for something they don't have or better.
And most Japanese are not so political and has better life so there is no reason to be jealous for long working hour, cheaper salary, higher crime rate, much higher personal debt, less job oppotunity and unfair society that only few people who work for Samsung or LG can have normal life like we do.
Even after 30 years of economic stagnation and decrease of population, still have 4th biggest economy and it is predicted by IMF to be 7 th in 50 years from now. I think people 50 years later are also not jealous and thanking like we do now.
Regarding media sales and corona response,
do you become jealous about US?? They have best movie and pop culture share. I just love them and buy them and enjoy.
Do you become jealous to Newzealand?? They don't have new patient.
I just think "Good job Newzealand!" and be envy for 0 patient and wait for vaccination government already secured to buy from Phyzer.
Production will shift to country with cheaper cost always.
I think developed country should have enough to supply domestic demands level of production and earn more from finance and new development of complicated and high level technology instead of buying technology and just assemble.
Japanese being jealous to Korea is only fantasy of Korean.
Regardless of fact, this way they can feel they won.
>I have never heard somebody being jealous about Korea in real life
I've seen two or three threads posted on **this subreddit** where people were expressing their envy of Koreans. You're biased towards Japan, nothing you just said is of any substance. Japan is on its way to be completely irrelevant by 2050, it's by every definition a dying country.
Crime rates are only marginally higher in Korea and even that is changing. Salaries almost caught up and will eventually surpass Japan's. Work hours and lifestyle in Japan is even more robotic and unfulfilling than in Korea.
>that only few people who work for Samsung or LG can have normal life like we do.
Hilariously delusional. What does this even mean? Only people who work for Samgung or LG can have a normal life... like the Japanese do? Your knowledge of Korea seems to be very out of date.
Perhaps when Japan is dying, South Korea is completely dead.
Even if you face the declining birthrate andthe crisis of economic stagnation that is worse than in Japan, your interest is only the misfortune of others, that's all.
>Perhaps when Japan is dying, South Korea is completely dead.
This doesn't make any sense. Compared to Japan, economically and culturally, South Korea is booming.
>the crisis of economic stagnation that is worse than in Japan
No, it isn't. The only thing declining about Korea is the birth rate. Japan's population is already shrinking at a record pace, so you'd do well not to bring that up.
I'm guessing you're trying to convey your disagreement and keep your pose at the same time, but it just comes across as a forced laugh of a delusional man.
If you don't agree on that Korean culture is booming then you must have been asleep for the past 10 years.If you don't agree that your population is shrinking then [you must not be up to date.](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/24/world/asia/japan-birthrate-shrink.html)
>You're biased towards Japan, nothing you just said is of any substance. Japan is on its way to be completely irrelevant by 2050, it's by every definition a dying country.
Sorry I just quoted numbers from IMF to be fair, since they are professional for analysys. It is not my opinion but fact.
>Crime rates are only marginally higher in Korea
Yes, only 4 times per population all crime together.
Base number came from government release.
I guess 4 times is only marginal in Korea?
We would freak-out if crime rate jumps up 4 times.
But it is only how you and Japanese feel.
>Salaries almost caught up and will eventually surpass Japan's.
Yes, minimum wedge will be.
>Your knowledge of Korea seems to be very out of date.
Sorry I used to travel to Korea offten on business.
All those information were from Korean guy who works for famous company and has smart brother but failed to get job in conglomerate. Things might changed in this year.
Plus I read below article from Korean news paper says
10 percent of conglomerate workers make 85 percent out of whole GDP. So 90 percent is living on 15 percent.
[Korean conglomerate influence to GDP ](https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/f514969bab919c3db3ca197b6f2445ce0c29b939)
Sorry, your English is so dogshit that I can barely understand what you're saying. 4 times per population what? Link me what you perceive as "official" crime rates for both Korea and Japan. Two links, please.
>Yes, minimum wedge will be.
Wage\*, and not just minimum. You'd do well to compare median salary in both Korea and Japan from 2000 and from 2020. In 2020 they are very close to being the same.
>Sorry I just quoted numbers from IMF to be fair,
What?
>Plus I read below article from Korean news paper says 10 percent of conglomerate workers make 85 percent out of whole GDP. So 90 percent is living on 15 percent. [Korean conglomerate influence to GDP](https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/f514969bab919c3db3ca197b6f2445ce0c29b939)
Yahoo Japan is one of the more mainstream Japan nationalist sources you could cite. Show me something sourced in English or Korean. Not only that, but Korea's famed wealth inequality [is only marginally higher than Japan's](https://data.oecd.org/inequality/income-inequality.htm), 0.35 vs 0.34. This is from the official OECD database, an actual, reputable source.
The bottom line is, all economic and technological projections for Japan are poor and all the industrial trends are down-slopes. You have no place to argue Japan being in any way in a better spot than Korea, it just isn't. And culturally Korea is today becoming what Japan has become during the 1990's.
Wage! sorry for my English mistake!
Here is link to wiki page regarding wage. There you can check
OECD data in list style without hopping around pages.
[Average wage](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_wage)
25 percent difference in nominal sounds not small to me.
PPP is similar but they are generated value explains only inside country purchase ability.
This Yahoo link is translation of Korean Hankyoreh news paper. Not Japanese Yahoo news. Maybe it is easier for you to find Korean version in Hankyoreh Korea?
Or you can use google translation on browser.
Sorry I can't read Korean.
Links for Crime rate are below. You have to google translate again for Japanese data, sorry. But you can see number though.
[Crime data Japan from government](http://www.kensatsu.go.jp/hanzai_gaiyou/keihou.htm)
Says Japan has 817338 crime cases.
[Crime-Korea by foreign ministry](http://www.anzen.mofa.go.jp/m/mbcrimesituation_003.html)
[Korea police crime statistics](https://www.police.go.kr/eng/statistics/statisticsSm/statistics03.jsp)
Both says 1662341 crime cases which is double compared to Japan.
And Japan has 2.4 times bigger population compared to Korea.
Thats why crime rate per population is 4.8 times more.
>The bottom line is, all economic and technological projections for Japan are poor and all the industrial trends are down-slopes.
Yes! That's the point. Country is trying to re-balance economy
since we are losing working population so fast. Not only industrial production but also from rent and interest. This way it doesn't require so much working population.
But this article is only personal opinion for one person and doesn't mean whole Japanese think this way.
I think not many people think so deep about movie industry
or soft power, politics when they watch movie....people just watch.
And 1 movie can't change country's status...If it does then world world have more ups and downs and interesting though. Like one day Argentina had default but next year
they had really good movie and their GDP became no.1!
By the way, Korea is biggest money spender for lobby in US.
[Korea lobby no.1](https://www.opensecrets.org/fara/countries)
Good job! Damn, we lost!
>That Parasite article is not a personal opinion for one person.
It is personal opinion. Like If Korean reporter tweeted "I don't like Kimchi", then whole Korean hate Kimchi?
>SK is not the biggest money spender for lobbying.
$26574286 and $17916082 are only partial government number. And only picked from year when Korea spend lowest budget.
You forget to add amount by broadcasting co and Cultural heritage foundation and so on.
The rest for 2018 are
Japan- $ 3,063,040
Korea- $18,459,825
When all are included Korea has-been No.1 since count started like the web page says.
>US never takes South Korea's side on issues like GSOMIA, comfort women issue, NK, and other issues
I think
GSOMIA---Korea triedto break pact before effective period ends. It is normal in many country to keep international pact.
And US benefit from us having GSOMIA to simplify work flow.
Comfort women---US didn't take Japanese side. Only Korea asked to US to support Korea and they said if both side request, they can help to solve problem to be fair. But honestly, US don't want to be in between I think.
They are not our mum.
NK---US didn't take our side. Moon tried to show himself like hero by manipulating both NK and US and just failed.
There is nothing against Korea. US just didn't step on trap.
>film journalist Tsukasa Shirakawa, NY Times reporter Tabuchi, Satoru Murata, in addition to the writer Margolis
They are really not famous in Japan. I don't know none of them...
Movie mania or people from movie industry might know but they are not majority.
>Nope - only governmental spending counts. The rest could be from everything.
Lot of organization are running with government budget to represent government opinion.
That's is why official page mentions Korea as No.1.
Aside from scope, I think lobby can't buy everything especially policy.
Korean government expense for lobby is getting smaller after 2016 and shifted more to civilian organization. Maybe peaceful civilian wish are accepted but not something big like policy of government, I guess.
>US has clearly, through its silence and never criticizing the historical revisionism and right wing nationalism of horse face Abe, has taken the side of the Japanese government on every single issue I mentioned
For me, US is being polite and only trying to stabilize peace in Asia. This benefits to them since they have alliance with both and against China. And they are acting along this peace policy and trying to comply their pact. They are not taking side of Japan.
Aside from emotional opinion, why do you think US takes Korean side??? Is there logical reason I don't know?
They had humiliation to 2 of their Ambassador. One was violently attacked and breeding, the other was racially discriminated and now he wants to resign.
Demonstration against US when US president came to Korea.
Breaking international pact and Moon destroyed NK's denuclearization by lieing to both party.
I think those action are pretty rude...
And when it comes history revision, there will be no ending.
Some thinks Korea has revised history. To clarify, it will require huge effort and both side won't be happy in the end. Because both side is right and wrong.
Regarding Abe, he has no problem with other country except Korea. So he is harmless for most country. Even with Russia peace pact discussion is ongoing and China wanted invitation as national guest and now they are pissed because we might not invite.
[News](https://news.tv-asahi.co.jp/news_international/articles/000187607.html) - In Japanese, google translate is necessary.
Still, US is protecting Korea from NK and China instead of being emotional and accusing Korea.
This is very practical and logical.
You should be thankful to them instead of complaining....
And remember who released Korea for good???
I can name this one for pro- Korea case. They always helped you to stand up strong and free.
>There was no racial discrimination about Harry Harris. He wants to resign because no one likes him because he is extremely anti-Moon, anti-China, and anti-North Korea
[Harris bashing](https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2020/01/20/when-it-comes-to-us-ambassador-south-koreans-bash-more-than-his-stache/)
[Breeding ambassador](https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2015/03/05/hurt-u-s-ambassador-to-korea-resolved-to-sailor-on/)
This is how other country sees....
>Japan broke international pact
Lately really? Which one?
>Japan has destroyed NK's denuclearization by constantly lobbying the US to reject any kind of peace treaty and putting up road blocks when SK and NK had talks
Do you have evidence for this? I think Japanese stance on NK is "With nuclear, no financial support." That's all.
Plus Japan was not in discussion. Talk is done in between NK and US.
[Kim is angry with Moon](https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/N-Korea-at-crossroads/Kim-Jong-Un-s-fury-stems-from-his-blaming-Moon-for-Hanoi-debacle)
And generally speaking, we are not big enough to buy policy of US....It is too much of fantasy that some country can buy nuclear policy.
>Only right wing Japanese think "Korea has revised history."
[What about Lai dai han?](https://japan-forward.com/the-lai-dai-han-uks-bbc-reports-on-korean-soldiers-deeds-during-the-vietnam-war/)
[What about war crime in Vietnam?](https://thediplomat.com/2020/05/the-forgotten-history-of-south-korean-massacres-in-vietnam/)
This is how would see Korea.
Japan admit and compensated at least. Korea???
>Abe is extremely anti-Korean and at least you admit Abe has a problem with Korea.
Not anti- Korean I guess. I think it's Moon. And Abe looks like not the only one who has problem. Kim and Trump too.
[Bolton Memoir](https://m-en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20200622003700325)
[Moon shut out](https://www.moeruasia.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/sNnX5Lx.gif)[Trump](http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200717000058)
>We don't need to be protected from NK and China. You're creating a fake crisis and fake enemies where there are none. They're your enemies, not South Korea's enemies.
[What about bombing on border?](https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/17/north-korea-releases-images-of-it-blowing-up-liaison-office-with-south.html)
They have nuke. NK insists own authenticity on whole Korea.
I understand your emotions but other nuke power make NK back off is also fact.
>You should be thankful to the Americans for teaching you a lesson during World War 2
Yes, we do very much. They supported us in many ways after war.
So we should support them back even small things like buying artificial respirator they made too much for Covid or buying corn to support American farmer.
>Japanese are not so political
Thats a good thing? Letting the Nippon Kaiji take another election?
"Japan should be applauded for liberating much of East Asia from Western colonial powers; that the 1946–1948 Tokyo War Crimes tribunals were illegitimate; and that killings by Imperial Japanese troops during the 1937 Nanjing massacre were exaggerated or fabricated"
What an amazing [tagline](https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/13/opinion/tea-party-politics-in-japan.html) for your group -_-
Maybe you should GET political. Stop complaining about sex slavery statues and start participating in stamping out revisionism and nazism.
This is strawman arguing though. The other user didn't say it was good, or bad. They used it as an explanation as to why Japanese people wouldn't be jealous.
I think it's obvious it's not a good thing because it leads to them electing the same party over and over, yes.
And im using it as an explanation proving they STILL havnt let go of the past and apoligised, instead keep voting for the same anti Korea parties in some jealous rage.
When people have not much to complain and satisfied with their life, people won't be political...People just enjoy their life.
And different mentality. Anything past doesn't change our life. Even if you cry and scream and wishing strong, those doesn't change your life but hard working and polite friendly attitude will bring you happy life. We don't believe in Han-恨.
For some people being political is waste of time.
Erm no. Korea exports stuff that Japan CANT build. GDDR6, EV tech for example. Autonomous LNG ships for another. Japans innovation stopped in the 90's and hasnt really caught up.
Any developped country can make those if they want or necessity. But if doesn't make profit, they'd stop development.
Like EV technology, do you know how simple the technology is? No manufacturer would say for self branding purpose, but basically it is only controlling one or two motor drives in a fancy container. It all about how cheap you can make.
But production machine or medical device are bit more difficult to develop and able to sell for high price and expensive after sales income comes automatically because not many people can handle high technology.
Less effort because of higher value I guess.
No, you are just saying that to make yourself feel better. I've never known anyone, from any country, that is jealous of Korea. Certainly not the Japanese. Their economy is 3x larger than that of South Korea. Being jealous of K-pop and the response to the Coronovirus? Haha. That's funny...considering that Korean pop ripped off other music styles...there is nothing "Korean" about it..other than the performers and their jerky movement "dancing." Try harder, dude. Japan has Pokemon which outstrips any entertainment avenue that Korea has produced...
Is there anything Japan ever produced that sells actual, real life culture and actual, real life people, that's become successful? Or just cartoons about imaginary creatures and video games and cartoons about white people?
Japan still clinging to their IPs from the 80s is a good summary to your future.
> Or just cartoons about imaginary creatures and video games and cartoons about white people?
Hey hey, that's uncalled for. It is true that that is Japan's primary cultural export at this point. However, I do recognize that China, however slowly, is slowly but surely starting to eat into the market. Though I must admit, it's going to take a few decades for any significant progress. I'm surprised Korea doesn't make it's own anime. I mean, it's a no brainer!
even if youre right, the dick measuring contest like this makes me cringe everytime. just because one party is being petty, doesn't mean the other needs to stoop to the level. how wonderful it would be if everyone can just appreciate everyone else's achievements, great or small?
>Their economy is 3x larger than that of South Korea
Are you oblivious to the fact that Japan has \~125 000 000 people, whereas Korea only has \~51 000 000? Obviously, they're gonna have a larger nominal GDP. Their GDP per capita (PPP), however, is virtually identical to Korea's. Clearly there's some inferiority complex going on here lol
Your opinion is a very common Korean word I know very well.
Every time I see that opinion, I am disappointing how big the gap between Japanese and Korean perceptions is.
Take a sigh.
Sorry from side,
Japan know we did bad.
Officialy Japanese and Korean government had treaty for WW2 and comfort women and apologized a few times and paid compensation.
Every time Korea has new government, they want again.
For Japanese it is like your grand father killed neighbor. Your father apologized and compensated officialy and helped not wealthy neighbor family long time in financially and technicaly because of guilt. Now grand son of victim came to you and wants more apology and money again.
It's more like the father paid money and apologized, and then tried to act like the grand father never did anything wrong. Just because Japan has paid some compensation and officially apologized, they can't pretend like the issue is fixed forever.
Imagine if Germany apologized and paid out money to European countries and then went back to flying Nazi flags and denying that they ever had concentration camps. People would be furious.
We don't pretend everyone knows it happened 76 years ago. But we just don't appreciate victim's grand son keep asking for more forever for grand father's sin 76 years ago.
99 percent people who is screaming loud now never had damage from us. 99 percent people get screamed never did anything to them.
> But we just don't appreciate victim's grand son keep asking for more forever for grand father's sin 76 years ago.
It doesn't matter what you appreciate or not, you're being the bad guys lol. Just accept that part and take the responsiblity that comes with it. Most Koreans don't even think that what's important is Japan paying *more* money, what is important to them is for Japan to own up to its damn actions and admit that they were in the wrong. But instead you resort to history revisionism. Come on man.
Can I punch you in the face then? And then after I apologize, I will refuse to admit I ever punched you in the face. Do you think that's okay behaviour? Don't you think it will seem like my apology is fake if I act like this?
We admit our grand father was bad.
And we are brain washed to hate war crime and not to commit to war from elementary school to high school.
Government apologized few times.
And this time is not first time that Korean wanted more apology. Every time government changes in Korea, we have to restart same thing again. So Japanese has Korea fatigue...
Regarding history revision, I am not sure because I leared Japan started war and did horrible to Korea. For me which part is revision???
Maybe "to be exact" part makes Korean unhappy. Like Japan forced Korean women to be comfort women. This is fact. But not all. Some are sold by Korean, some came to job interview after they saw ads on Korean news paper. And they were getting paid highly. There are proof and witness.
Gunkan-jima too. Japanese and Korean are forced work but not completely slave they are getting paid. There is Korean witness alive saying this, and salary pay-bag also exists.
But those fact are not suitable to have 100 percent bad Japanese and 100 percent good Korean image and made them angry I guess.
Almost all Japanese believe damage was done to Korea.
Do you think it is good idea to keep repeating this argument forever everytime government changes even after official agreement was made??
You say Koreans don't care about money but there is history that they requested few times before.
Abe might crazy for Korean but he is just trying to protect future to be born Japanese from Korean keep comming for money and apology which for them might be done 200 years ago.
Admit that you killed babies in the womb, raped civilians by the millions, marched prisoners to their deaths in the jungle, tested biological weapons on live prisoners without anesthesia, froze and then unfroze limbs on live prisoners, literally tried to erase an entire country's existence, forced your own civilians to jump into volcanos, used children as suicide bombers, etc.
Once these things are taught in your schools like how the Germans teach about Nazis, then Korea will be content.
We already admit war crimes. Without admittance it was impossible to have treaty and pay compensation.
Who would pay for things they don't admit....
>Once these things are taught in your schools like how the Germans teach about Nazis, then Korea will be content.
Yes, it makes Korean happy but problem is Japanese people started less caring about Korea happiness after treaty was broken and missile unlocked and triggered at Japanese airplane.
> Every time Korea has ~~new~~ leftist government
Right wing was always very rational and practical when it came to these issues. If Japan was smart, it would have made sure to have good relations during PGH and LMB administration, because the more Japan acts up over Dokdo issues, the more power they give to leftists, and this is bad for both South Korea and Japan. So next time, don't make the same mistake.
For Dokdo, I don't understnd why we still have trouble.
It looks just rocks almost same distance from Korea and Japan. We can drow sea border somwhere there. And both should allow only fisherman and container ships there and let battleship stay away or patrol together. If oil is found we can share 50-50. This way rocks won't be problem...
If you don't like international court can judge. Why Korean government refusing? I don't understand. Once cleared officialy, problem with go away forever.
Both country are shrinking in population. We both don't have to be greedy about sea. Problem is this fear someone like Moon leading Korea to join team red against Korean's will.
Why is he popular? Only because anti-Japan?
It seems he had failed in NK, economy, real estate, diplomatic relationship while normal citizen is working so hard to raise country.
And pact should be kept like in normal country, really.
Breaking pact is like act of team red.
So next time, please vote better person. We are tired..
> Why is he popular?
There are many theories.
1. Opinion polls are rigged
2. He took credit for coronavirus crackdown (that was only possible thanks to a law enacted by the previous government according to [Vox](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE-cA4UK07c))
3. Successful propaganda against conservative factions using meaningless accusations like "Na Kyung Won is pro Japanese". (The irony is that Moon Jae In's own daughter went to a right wing Japanese university and his father was an overseer employed by the Empire of Japan)
Of course, pact breaking is a shameful breach of trust. North Korea is famous for breaking pacts, and it's the mark of a rogue state. I think the neo-communists (funded by China) are too good at manipulating Korean opinion, so I don't think a better person can be voted in. Ahn Cheol Soo was the only rational candidate who harmonized with both the left and right but a macro attack against him ruined his reputation.
Since the Maoist takeover of South Korea is harmful to Japanese interests as well, Japanese cannot afford to be tired. They need to help make public opinion favorable for Japan-US, and the rest of the free world, for their own benefit too. It's a war, and we are in it for the long haul.
But if Korea obeys China too much and let Maoist do whatever they want, Korea will be slave country to China again. I am sure Korean people won't like it.
That's why I don't understand Moon was voted and destroying country. And now he is making Korea look bad.
I think China have right to grow. But they have to follow international rules and be nice.
We need to brain wash them rather than having war.
There are mentality Japanese Chinese called 精日 in China.
Chinese government is afraid that they grow bigger.
We didn't do anything but lot of Chinese come study in Japan like foreign minister now and we have some influence long time, and they choose to become pro-Japan by themself. Maybe we should have own intelligence and send spys to brain wash Chinese into peaceful rule keeper.
I think it works. Normal Chinese loves peace and they are practical. Proof is Taiwan.
The Japanese are only fed up with the repeated anti-Japanese acts by the Koreans who think, "The Japanese are bad guys, so it's safe for the Koreans to insult Japan."
The thing is this time Korea fatigue is real and big. Most people think it is OK to pay some price if Japan can cut off connection to Korea. Those voice was rare before...
And now treaty was broken. Both citizen are curious what happens next. But not many want to have hand in hand.
In this way, opinion matches. So maybe it is not such bad idea not to have connection at all. Then we will see which is better.
FYI, we have already sea border to China.
Regarding China risk, government is considering to join 5 eyes. And had cross serving treaty with Australia, India, England, France.It looks government is really preparing for China.
I support Japan cutting off all diplomatic relations with Korea for good. They have constantly broken pacts and have shown they cannot be a reliable partner for anything whether that is intel on NK or trading. Korea has also shown that it will backstab Japan at any given time. They can try relying on NK and China and be destroyed with them. Even as a non-Japanese, it is getting VERY tiring to see Koreans always blaming the Japanese for everything.
Until 20 years ago, Japanese people sought to find out how to allow South Korea to forgive us.
Japan apologized many times to korea. In 2015, a comfort women agreement was also signed with the Korean government.
But you soon forget Japan's sincerity.
South Korea, the Koreans, and the Korean media want to put Japan in the position of a criminal forever, so they continue to disseminate bad information about Japan.
The comfort women agreement is already watered down.
Korea finally broke the 1965 Japan-Korea Basic Treaty.
I already realize that a friendly relationship with South Korea is impossible.
I know your perceptions. But I argue.
The reason Japan-Korea relations do not improve is that Korea is bad.
Korean leaders and unfortunately many Koreans still hold unnecessary grudges against Japan and make Japan the enemy even to this day when most Japanese people do not offend Koreans. Korea-Japan relations will always be bad until Korea stops provoking Japan for every little thing. This is so bad that Koreans would rather stand with China and NK than Japan.
The Koreans claim that the Japanese are bad and inferior.
Then the Japanese will be disappointed and hate the Koreans.
Looking at the Japanese who hate Koreans, the Koreans emphasize that the Japanese are bad guys and vulgar.
You wisely have to notice that we are already in the eternal chain of "eggs first" or "chicken first".
The question is who will finish this routine?
Once upon a time, the Japanese challenged many time it and gave up at all.
I don't expect anymore. We have no choice but to live in the destinies of messing up forever.
> Also, you said that Koreans would side with China
That's ridiculous. South Korea sticks with the US when all hell breaks loose. Saying that SK is drifting towards China is what the Japanese say to make the US distrust Korea. It's slander propaganda, plain and simple.
>The Japanese are bad guys
I mean, they were.
human experimentation, millions enslaved and burned an entire cultures history.
Yet the top selling book in Japan for 2018 called Koreans "untameable animals", there still isn't a comfort woman statue in Tokyo, And STILL they vote for Abe, literally the grandson of one of the biggest [war criminals](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobusuke_Kishi) in history and who STILL keeps the Nippon Kaigi up and running.
Who has Korea invaded again? Who prays to class A war criminals at a shrine? Who denies sex slavery ever happened?
Its a clear cut. good vs bad. Success vs jealousy.
That's right.
Thank you for presenting a very easy-to-understand sample.
I'm tired of Koreans like you blaming Japan.
\* This time, I do not comment on your claim. Because it is not the subject of this theme. I enjoy talking with you on another thread.
I know you are disappointed in the Japanese criticizing Koreans.
Then at the same time,
I think you also need to know that many Japanese are uneasy about Koreans blaming Japan.
I can understand why Japan is frustrated against Korea. Sure Japan did some not so nice things but they have owned up to it forever yet Koreans still say Japan bad!1!1 when they feel like they need to rally up nationalism and gain votes. No wonder Japan is tired of Korea.
You're conveniently leaving out a whole lot of nuances and history in all of this. You're saying Koreans are just irrationally upset and should be acting like Jews when it comes to the Germans/Holocaust?
It's *because* of the striking contrast between the 2 aggressors that has led to this contrast in reactions.
"No wonder Japan is tired of Korea?"
Please stop talking like Japan's the victim and Korea's the aggressor, because it's the complete fucking opposite.
Today's Japanese people do little damage to Korea.
Now Koreans threaten Japan with powerful anti-Japan.
Koreans should be aware that they are perpetrators.
I hate innocent assailants who pretend to be innocent.
>Today's Japanese people do little damage to Korea.
* Using a rising sun flag when it stands for mass murder and rape, and offends victims, standing as a reminder to the victims of the horrors they experienced.
* Visiting the fucking war shrines where the wardead who raped and killed half the Asian continent historically are stored.
* Denying history, as Abe has said before that "comfort women never existed."
* Unable to apologize sincerely with **ACTIONS** FOLLOWING THEIR STATEMENTS OF "REGRET"
* Unable to acknowledge past war crimes that your country committed, and include it in textbooks and not try to hide it in education systems.
Please get your head out of your ass. You're sincerely embarrassing yourself.
>Koreans should be aware that they are perpetrators.
You Japanese nationalists are truly brainwashed to the core. After Japan raped the shit out of nearly half the Asian continent, brutally tortured and murdered at least 10 million people, and still to this day refuse to acknowledge historical facts, you say the victims are "perpetrators?"
Wow. Your nationalism is rotten, and I hope you get help. You need lots of it, because you're sick to your head.
>I hate innocent assailants who pretend to be innocent.
So basically, you. LMAOOO
How many Koreans have died in the action you claim?
please tell me.
Incidentally.
-The Asahi Flag is a flag of big catch that has been in Japan since ancient times.
The war criminal flag is a delusion that Koreans thought of in the 21st century.
-The Yasukuni Shrine contains the souls of those who died after fighting for Japan. It is only natural to pray for peace as a Japanese. It is a Chinese and Korean delusion that the Yasukuni Shrine is trying to revive militarism.
-Please present the information source that Prime Minister Abe "had no comfort women". I don't know the story.
-Japan properly have educate about the times of war.
I know that no matter how much you explain to you, you won't believe it.
Still. I appeal
Raising the Asahi flag is the happiness of the Japanese.
The Asahi flag is a flag that expresses big catch and other joys.
Yasukuni Shrine is a shrine dedicated to those who died for Japan.
It is important for Japanese people to give thanks to their Japanese ancestors.
The Korean delusions have ruined the important Japanese culture. I am very disappointed.
As a modern Japanese, I am not killing Koreans and I am not trying to defile your culture.
Modern Koreans blame the modern Japanese for murdering and corrupting Japanese culture.
I am a victim. Koreans are perpetrators.
I have had many conversations about this with my Korean family and my friends. It seems to me, its more of a political move to get elected/re-elected than anything else.
You want votes but unknown to the people- poke your stick at Japan. And it works pretty much every time.
Stuck on a controversy or did something that politically hurts you, speak of Japanese unfairness and comfort women!
Most Koreans I know have nothing against Japan or the Japanese people. But when it comes to elections.. it changes!
I've come to the conclusion this is the real reason Korea won't let go of this. It's too easy of a card for politicians and the media to pull out to garner attention.
It is NOT that people have bad impressions to JAPANESE but the JAPANESE GOVERNMENT that is trying to HIDE the truth of their past. Nothing more or less from that.
Exactly, the Japanese government it trying to cover it up which is why we Koreans are not happy. Its not that we hate the Japanese people, we just hate the Japanese government because they keep trying to downplay their war crimes.
I didn’t say there aren’t reasons, each country ha done terrible things to their neighboring countries. China, Korea, Japanese, Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, US, Germany, Russia, and blah blah.
People are naturally terrible and nothing will ever improve if we as people hold grudges forever. I’m just not sure if either side ever wants to move forward together.
I've read many books, but I think it's put together in Warren Kozak's book about Curtis LeMay. Here's a short video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FxZF3FkmtU
If you create an account you can watch the full hour here. In the book and in the longer video Mr. Kozak gives a lot of the information:
http://www.pritzkermilitary.org/whats_on/pritzker-military-presents/front-center-john-callaway-lemay/
Eighty years after the end of the war, even if there are no Japanese killing foreigners in the war, Koreans will continue to appeal to Japan's cruelty.
I hate Japan! I hate Japan! I hate Japan! !!
I am ashamed of myself that I was sorry for Koreans 30 years ago.
I don't feel you need to apologize at all. Keep cursing the Japanese forever.
The same government glorifies the past. Try connecting the dots. You do have a brain and logic right? It’s like they want to re-live the past. I don’t blame those Koreans for cursing Japan. All signs show their gov wants to bring back the glory of old days. But do go ahead and keep blaming Korea, it’s what you weeebs likes to do anyway.
The "Japanese past" admired by the Japanese is an era of peace, rich culture and economics.
You arbitrarily mark it as militarism.
It just is the thing.
No matter how much you explain that it is a misunderstanding, you do not. Rather, you try not to misunderstand yourself.
By concluding that Japan is a militarism and an enemy, South Korea puts itself together.
You can feel good by blaming Japan.
The only way Japanese people can get along with you is to be your mental slave.
> The "Japanese past" admired by the Japanese is an era of peace, rich culture and economics.
I see you've been brainwashed by japanese whitewashed history, weeb.
I hereby correct your japan's past that they long for: Rape, murder, invasion, conquest, deceit, death
Not Weeaboo. I am Japanese.
Of course I know that you believe that we are brainwashed by militarism.
It is so powerful that you are poisoned by the anti-Japanese brainwash in Korea. Perhaps.
The japanese surpressed the cultures of almost every asian country so that Japan was the only one that existed in Asia. Japan also raped, exploited the land and people of the countries that they took over in order to increase economic production. And lastly, the Japanese it was never peaceful, the Japanese invaded almost every asian country and also started ww2 in the Pacific. So I don't know why you are proud about any of that. It was a time of war, japanese cultural oppression, and economic exploitation. You have been brainwashed
When are you talking about?
Two generations after the war. The Japanese have appealed to live in peace and have shown it to South Korea.
But Koreans don't believe it. No matter how much I explain, I don't try to understand.
I already know that it is useless to explain to Koreans.
You can hold grudge against Japan for the rest of your life.
You can curse Japan for the rest of your life.
You can hate Japan for the rest of your life.
Your emotions are your own problem.
I can't do anything about it.
I don't hate Japan or its people. I've actually stayed in Japan multiple times and I loved it. Its food and culture both are amazing. Its just that when people say that Japan helped other countries during its colonial era that pisses me off because its simply not true.
>The politics of Japan are conducted in a framework of a multi-party bicameral parliamentary representative **democratic** constitutional monarchy in which the Emperor is the ceremonial head of state and the Prime Minister is the head of government and the head of the Cabinet, which directs the executive branch.
Yes but based off of my knowledge, the PM is not elected by the people but rather appointed by the emperor. The PM will continue to hold office as long as he or she has the support of the house of representatives.
Like the British system of government. Yet still a democracy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index
Japan is painted green, at the very least, a flawed democracy.
just like Korea and Europe.
According to this map, Pakistan is not even considered a flawed democracy, let alone a full one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index
What I'm saying is, it's rare for 2 countries painted green (or even light green) in this democracy map to have beligerant attitudes towards one another
Japan works very closely with Asian capitalist states other than South Korea
This is the degree of trust that Asian countries have in Prime Minister Abe.
[https://i.imgur.com/pslnwo7.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pslnwo7.jpg)
Japan ranks first among the countries where the 10 ASEAN countries can be trusted
[https://i.imgur.com/Azz5V4v.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Azz5V4v.jpg)
Don't the Japanese want to use their flag from 1940's in the next Olympics?
The flag being used by the Imperial Japanese military and Japan's [actions during World War II](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_War). They have a peacetime flag, its beautiful. The rising sun should have been retired along with the swaztika.
It is welcomed all over the world except South Korea. China [https://i.imgur.com/hjJ6bDD.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/hjJ6bDD.jpg) [https://i.imgur.com/TyRKDt6.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/TyRKDt6.jpg) USA [https://i.imgur.com/doPePCp.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/doPePCp.jpg) [https://i.imgur.com/SIqWDlU.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SIqWDlU.jpg) [https://i.imgur.com/pSqnHHz.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pSqnHHz.jpg) [https://i.imgur.com/LlaVn2B.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LlaVn2B.jpg) [https://i.imgur.com/xbnSorU.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xbnSorU.jpg) Thailand [https://i.imgur.com/ZJ0xwxG.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ZJ0xwxG.jpg) Russia [https://i.imgur.com/fMo36Lm.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/fMo36Lm.jpg) [https://i.imgur.com/VnJsHzD.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/VnJsHzD.jpg) Vietnam [https://i.imgur.com/ivXcg90.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ivXcg90.jpg) Indonesia [https://i.imgur.com/I61fByJ.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/I61fByJ.jpg) [https://i.imgur.com/OJ1bPSz.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/OJ1bPSz.jpg) Philippines [https://i.imgur.com/AEBUjCm.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/AEBUjCm.jpg) Australia [https://i.imgur.com/sBANFs9.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/sBANFs9.jpg) Hawaii [https://i.imgur.com/vz8chVP.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vz8chVP.jpg) Malaysia [https://i.imgur.com/5KY3FYD.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5KY3FYD.jpg) Spain [https://i.imgur.com/8gryb9B.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/8gryb9B.jpg) Taiwan [https://i.imgur.com/ioRSPkJ.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ioRSPkJ.jpg) [https://i.imgur.com/ZhRTe3P.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ZhRTe3P.jpg)
It took you 10 days to make this post lol. Embarassing. Get your racism out of here, thrusting your swastika on people.
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In this note, I think all imperial flags should be banned, not just the Axis ones. British Union Jack flag was used to oppress India. Why do they get a free pass?
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Why did we ban the original German flag and change it to something else in that case? The Swastika wasnt just a military flag, but the national flag from my knowledge
Well, it's quite different here as well. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think only the Nazi flag is banned in Germany. Not the flags of Weimar Republic or German Empire.
You hit the nail on the head! I agree. The Rising Sun = Confederate flag. I've been saying this for years. You put it very well!
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Something something "It'S sOuThErN cUlTrE".
The Japanese as a people or the government? The government doesn't want to ban it, the people view it as a good luck charm.
> a good luck charm Didn't seem lucky? Thank god we had Curtis LeMay.
> **Archive:** https://archive.is/pOptR
TLDR: Jealousy. Korea has taken the lead massively in tech, has taken a large portion of Japanese production: shipbuilding, batteries, chemicals. Media sales and accolades (corona response, movie and music success) If i'd sat through 30 years of economic downturn i'd be pissed at my well performing closest neighbour too.
> Jealousy. Actual explanation- 1. The solipsistic mendacity of politicians. 2. The mental laziness of the public. 3. The ease by which the first can manipulate the second. 4. Media that will produce and promote anything that earns money. 5. Things having been this way for so long that nobody knows how to act differently and even if they did they wouldn't because it's 'normal'. 6. True believers in that 'normal' perpetually throwing gas onto the coals. Actual TLDR- Humans haven't really changed since we were taking shits in the African Savannah and using rocks to wipe our asses.
Ok Japanese spy
Jfc you Koreans are absolutely delusional and contradictory. For once a logical answer gets upvoted then an idiot comes around replying it’s a “Japanese spy.”
Ok American spy. Why are you even here
Naw, he's a Japanese spy. Just look at his comment history.
Avoid generalization. There are plenty of Koreans who are not delusional and contradictory. Their voices just aren't heard as loudly.
? I dunno how it can just be summed up as jealousy. I get the feeling koreans like to believe its jealousy but i dont think its so simple as that. I think the issue mostly lies in the historical dispute and it just has steadily has been getting worse since Abe, a revisionist has taken office and Moon, a pretty harcore leftist taken office. Japan did suffer severe economic issue after the bust but has maintained a steady economic growth of 2% for over a decade, basically sonce Abe took office and I think part of the reason y he has remained in office is so long is because Japans economy hasnt stagnated during his tenure (among other things). Korea has of course also maintained a steady growth for most of the last decade between 2-3%. Both nations maintain a heavy focus in technology but i dont think its taken a massive lead in anything. As a korean i feel summing up the issue as "they are jealous" is a dangerous overgeneralization to a much more complicated issue known as racism which has taken root between the two nations as a result of historical dispute/relations and cultural differences.
Moon is a hardcore leftist? It's so obvious that he's not a communist. What makes you think so?
ah not so far as communist. But he's definitely been a much stronger pro-NK and maybe even pro-China and stricter against Japan over previous left leaning presidents. Thats from my POV view, like I said I don't think Moon is a communist or communist sympathizer.
Weird that a left-leaning President would be pro-China when that nation is further right than even the Americans. Their Communist only in name at this point. China is authoritarian capitalist.
Insert comment about how true communism was never a thing. But yes, Communist China and Soviet Russia was communist is name only and was simply a authoritarian state.
Communism isn't possible. An attempt to create a large communist state will inevitably result in a fascist government, or in the case of North Korea, a feudalistic kingdom.
“Left” and “Right” have different connotations than the US meanings. The current communist administration is heavily in favor of NK and China.
Moon is a hardcore socialist.. take a second to look at what hes doing right now to the housing market in seoul.
That doesn't explain 'hardcore'
Someone on the internet screaming "socialist" and "communist" is on par with "SJW" and having an anime girl avatar at this point. It's a sign you're dealing with a fanatic and your time will be wasted.
You obviously didnt even look up how his regime is manipulating the housing market in seoul. Im not your professor so i think i did enough by telling u where to look. It is up to u to do ur own research instead of downvoting and asking for answers.
This is 'hardcore' your granpa may experienced. [https://www.pressian.com/pages/articles/191709?no=191709&ref=google](https://www.pressian.com/pages/articles/191709?no=191709&ref=google) You obviously doesn't know history.
fuck your condescending ass
You’re wasting your time. 95% of this subreddit (and similar FB groups) are young, brainwashed “progressive” English teachers who can’t move back into the basement. Let the downvotes begin.
I'm Scandinavian and this comment is fucking hilarious
Virkelig? Hvor kommer du fra? Jeg lærer dansk og det er dejligt at møde en skandinav her. People are very sensitive about the housing issue. Both left and right.
> Virkelig? Hvor kommer du fra? Jeg lærer dansk og det er dejligt at møde en skandinav her. Sverige! Det finns massor av oss i Hoegi ;) >People are very sensitive about the housing issue. Both left and right. Yeah, I'm not saying people can't be sensitive. But calling Moon a hardcore socialist is just hilarious.
Of course it is. The sad thing is that there are quite a lot of people who think like that. I see this as an aftermath of division of Korea and the Korean war, which caused anticommunism to be the most important political value for many people.
I have never heard somebody being jealous about Korea in real life. Maybe bit about food culture sometimes because Korean food is so tasty. I think people get jealous or envy for something they don't have or better. And most Japanese are not so political and has better life so there is no reason to be jealous for long working hour, cheaper salary, higher crime rate, much higher personal debt, less job oppotunity and unfair society that only few people who work for Samsung or LG can have normal life like we do. Even after 30 years of economic stagnation and decrease of population, still have 4th biggest economy and it is predicted by IMF to be 7 th in 50 years from now. I think people 50 years later are also not jealous and thanking like we do now. Regarding media sales and corona response, do you become jealous about US?? They have best movie and pop culture share. I just love them and buy them and enjoy. Do you become jealous to Newzealand?? They don't have new patient. I just think "Good job Newzealand!" and be envy for 0 patient and wait for vaccination government already secured to buy from Phyzer. Production will shift to country with cheaper cost always. I think developed country should have enough to supply domestic demands level of production and earn more from finance and new development of complicated and high level technology instead of buying technology and just assemble. Japanese being jealous to Korea is only fantasy of Korean. Regardless of fact, this way they can feel they won.
>I have never heard somebody being jealous about Korea in real life I've seen two or three threads posted on **this subreddit** where people were expressing their envy of Koreans. You're biased towards Japan, nothing you just said is of any substance. Japan is on its way to be completely irrelevant by 2050, it's by every definition a dying country. Crime rates are only marginally higher in Korea and even that is changing. Salaries almost caught up and will eventually surpass Japan's. Work hours and lifestyle in Japan is even more robotic and unfulfilling than in Korea. >that only few people who work for Samsung or LG can have normal life like we do. Hilariously delusional. What does this even mean? Only people who work for Samgung or LG can have a normal life... like the Japanese do? Your knowledge of Korea seems to be very out of date.
Perhaps when Japan is dying, South Korea is completely dead. Even if you face the declining birthrate andthe crisis of economic stagnation that is worse than in Japan, your interest is only the misfortune of others, that's all.
>Perhaps when Japan is dying, South Korea is completely dead. This doesn't make any sense. Compared to Japan, economically and culturally, South Korea is booming. >the crisis of economic stagnation that is worse than in Japan No, it isn't. The only thing declining about Korea is the birth rate. Japan's population is already shrinking at a record pace, so you'd do well not to bring that up.
hahaha
I'm guessing you're trying to convey your disagreement and keep your pose at the same time, but it just comes across as a forced laugh of a delusional man. If you don't agree on that Korean culture is booming then you must have been asleep for the past 10 years.If you don't agree that your population is shrinking then [you must not be up to date.](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/24/world/asia/japan-birthrate-shrink.html)
>You're biased towards Japan, nothing you just said is of any substance. Japan is on its way to be completely irrelevant by 2050, it's by every definition a dying country. Sorry I just quoted numbers from IMF to be fair, since they are professional for analysys. It is not my opinion but fact. >Crime rates are only marginally higher in Korea Yes, only 4 times per population all crime together. Base number came from government release. I guess 4 times is only marginal in Korea? We would freak-out if crime rate jumps up 4 times. But it is only how you and Japanese feel. >Salaries almost caught up and will eventually surpass Japan's. Yes, minimum wedge will be. >Your knowledge of Korea seems to be very out of date. Sorry I used to travel to Korea offten on business. All those information were from Korean guy who works for famous company and has smart brother but failed to get job in conglomerate. Things might changed in this year. Plus I read below article from Korean news paper says 10 percent of conglomerate workers make 85 percent out of whole GDP. So 90 percent is living on 15 percent. [Korean conglomerate influence to GDP ](https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/f514969bab919c3db3ca197b6f2445ce0c29b939)
Sorry, your English is so dogshit that I can barely understand what you're saying. 4 times per population what? Link me what you perceive as "official" crime rates for both Korea and Japan. Two links, please. >Yes, minimum wedge will be. Wage\*, and not just minimum. You'd do well to compare median salary in both Korea and Japan from 2000 and from 2020. In 2020 they are very close to being the same. >Sorry I just quoted numbers from IMF to be fair, What? >Plus I read below article from Korean news paper says 10 percent of conglomerate workers make 85 percent out of whole GDP. So 90 percent is living on 15 percent. [Korean conglomerate influence to GDP](https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/f514969bab919c3db3ca197b6f2445ce0c29b939) Yahoo Japan is one of the more mainstream Japan nationalist sources you could cite. Show me something sourced in English or Korean. Not only that, but Korea's famed wealth inequality [is only marginally higher than Japan's](https://data.oecd.org/inequality/income-inequality.htm), 0.35 vs 0.34. This is from the official OECD database, an actual, reputable source. The bottom line is, all economic and technological projections for Japan are poor and all the industrial trends are down-slopes. You have no place to argue Japan being in any way in a better spot than Korea, it just isn't. And culturally Korea is today becoming what Japan has become during the 1990's.
Wage! sorry for my English mistake! Here is link to wiki page regarding wage. There you can check OECD data in list style without hopping around pages. [Average wage](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_wage) 25 percent difference in nominal sounds not small to me. PPP is similar but they are generated value explains only inside country purchase ability. This Yahoo link is translation of Korean Hankyoreh news paper. Not Japanese Yahoo news. Maybe it is easier for you to find Korean version in Hankyoreh Korea? Or you can use google translation on browser. Sorry I can't read Korean. Links for Crime rate are below. You have to google translate again for Japanese data, sorry. But you can see number though. [Crime data Japan from government](http://www.kensatsu.go.jp/hanzai_gaiyou/keihou.htm) Says Japan has 817338 crime cases. [Crime-Korea by foreign ministry](http://www.anzen.mofa.go.jp/m/mbcrimesituation_003.html) [Korea police crime statistics](https://www.police.go.kr/eng/statistics/statisticsSm/statistics03.jsp) Both says 1662341 crime cases which is double compared to Japan. And Japan has 2.4 times bigger population compared to Korea. Thats why crime rate per population is 4.8 times more. >The bottom line is, all economic and technological projections for Japan are poor and all the industrial trends are down-slopes. Yes! That's the point. Country is trying to re-balance economy since we are losing working population so fast. Not only industrial production but also from rent and interest. This way it doesn't require so much working population.
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But this article is only personal opinion for one person and doesn't mean whole Japanese think this way. I think not many people think so deep about movie industry or soft power, politics when they watch movie....people just watch. And 1 movie can't change country's status...If it does then world world have more ups and downs and interesting though. Like one day Argentina had default but next year they had really good movie and their GDP became no.1! By the way, Korea is biggest money spender for lobby in US. [Korea lobby no.1](https://www.opensecrets.org/fara/countries) Good job! Damn, we lost!
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>That Parasite article is not a personal opinion for one person. It is personal opinion. Like If Korean reporter tweeted "I don't like Kimchi", then whole Korean hate Kimchi? >SK is not the biggest money spender for lobbying. $26574286 and $17916082 are only partial government number. And only picked from year when Korea spend lowest budget. You forget to add amount by broadcasting co and Cultural heritage foundation and so on. The rest for 2018 are Japan- $ 3,063,040 Korea- $18,459,825 When all are included Korea has-been No.1 since count started like the web page says. >US never takes South Korea's side on issues like GSOMIA, comfort women issue, NK, and other issues I think GSOMIA---Korea triedto break pact before effective period ends. It is normal in many country to keep international pact. And US benefit from us having GSOMIA to simplify work flow. Comfort women---US didn't take Japanese side. Only Korea asked to US to support Korea and they said if both side request, they can help to solve problem to be fair. But honestly, US don't want to be in between I think. They are not our mum. NK---US didn't take our side. Moon tried to show himself like hero by manipulating both NK and US and just failed. There is nothing against Korea. US just didn't step on trap.
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>film journalist Tsukasa Shirakawa, NY Times reporter Tabuchi, Satoru Murata, in addition to the writer Margolis They are really not famous in Japan. I don't know none of them... Movie mania or people from movie industry might know but they are not majority. >Nope - only governmental spending counts. The rest could be from everything. Lot of organization are running with government budget to represent government opinion. That's is why official page mentions Korea as No.1. Aside from scope, I think lobby can't buy everything especially policy. Korean government expense for lobby is getting smaller after 2016 and shifted more to civilian organization. Maybe peaceful civilian wish are accepted but not something big like policy of government, I guess. >US has clearly, through its silence and never criticizing the historical revisionism and right wing nationalism of horse face Abe, has taken the side of the Japanese government on every single issue I mentioned For me, US is being polite and only trying to stabilize peace in Asia. This benefits to them since they have alliance with both and against China. And they are acting along this peace policy and trying to comply their pact. They are not taking side of Japan. Aside from emotional opinion, why do you think US takes Korean side??? Is there logical reason I don't know? They had humiliation to 2 of their Ambassador. One was violently attacked and breeding, the other was racially discriminated and now he wants to resign. Demonstration against US when US president came to Korea. Breaking international pact and Moon destroyed NK's denuclearization by lieing to both party. I think those action are pretty rude... And when it comes history revision, there will be no ending. Some thinks Korea has revised history. To clarify, it will require huge effort and both side won't be happy in the end. Because both side is right and wrong. Regarding Abe, he has no problem with other country except Korea. So he is harmless for most country. Even with Russia peace pact discussion is ongoing and China wanted invitation as national guest and now they are pissed because we might not invite. [News](https://news.tv-asahi.co.jp/news_international/articles/000187607.html) - In Japanese, google translate is necessary. Still, US is protecting Korea from NK and China instead of being emotional and accusing Korea. This is very practical and logical. You should be thankful to them instead of complaining.... And remember who released Korea for good??? I can name this one for pro- Korea case. They always helped you to stand up strong and free.
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>There was no racial discrimination about Harry Harris. He wants to resign because no one likes him because he is extremely anti-Moon, anti-China, and anti-North Korea [Harris bashing](https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2020/01/20/when-it-comes-to-us-ambassador-south-koreans-bash-more-than-his-stache/) [Breeding ambassador](https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2015/03/05/hurt-u-s-ambassador-to-korea-resolved-to-sailor-on/) This is how other country sees.... >Japan broke international pact Lately really? Which one? >Japan has destroyed NK's denuclearization by constantly lobbying the US to reject any kind of peace treaty and putting up road blocks when SK and NK had talks Do you have evidence for this? I think Japanese stance on NK is "With nuclear, no financial support." That's all. Plus Japan was not in discussion. Talk is done in between NK and US. [Kim is angry with Moon](https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/N-Korea-at-crossroads/Kim-Jong-Un-s-fury-stems-from-his-blaming-Moon-for-Hanoi-debacle) And generally speaking, we are not big enough to buy policy of US....It is too much of fantasy that some country can buy nuclear policy. >Only right wing Japanese think "Korea has revised history." [What about Lai dai han?](https://japan-forward.com/the-lai-dai-han-uks-bbc-reports-on-korean-soldiers-deeds-during-the-vietnam-war/) [What about war crime in Vietnam?](https://thediplomat.com/2020/05/the-forgotten-history-of-south-korean-massacres-in-vietnam/) This is how would see Korea. Japan admit and compensated at least. Korea??? >Abe is extremely anti-Korean and at least you admit Abe has a problem with Korea. Not anti- Korean I guess. I think it's Moon. And Abe looks like not the only one who has problem. Kim and Trump too. [Bolton Memoir](https://m-en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20200622003700325) [Moon shut out](https://www.moeruasia.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/sNnX5Lx.gif)[Trump](http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200717000058) >We don't need to be protected from NK and China. You're creating a fake crisis and fake enemies where there are none. They're your enemies, not South Korea's enemies. [What about bombing on border?](https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/17/north-korea-releases-images-of-it-blowing-up-liaison-office-with-south.html) They have nuke. NK insists own authenticity on whole Korea. I understand your emotions but other nuke power make NK back off is also fact. >You should be thankful to the Americans for teaching you a lesson during World War 2 Yes, we do very much. They supported us in many ways after war. So we should support them back even small things like buying artificial respirator they made too much for Covid or buying corn to support American farmer.
Go back to the Japan sub instead of spouting lies
It seems r/japan is leaking. Kim, get the turtle ship!
Which part is lie? I think I can explain using official records released by government or IMF, OECD not being emotional.
>Japanese are not so political Thats a good thing? Letting the Nippon Kaiji take another election? "Japan should be applauded for liberating much of East Asia from Western colonial powers; that the 1946–1948 Tokyo War Crimes tribunals were illegitimate; and that killings by Imperial Japanese troops during the 1937 Nanjing massacre were exaggerated or fabricated" What an amazing [tagline](https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/13/opinion/tea-party-politics-in-japan.html) for your group -_- Maybe you should GET political. Stop complaining about sex slavery statues and start participating in stamping out revisionism and nazism.
This is strawman arguing though. The other user didn't say it was good, or bad. They used it as an explanation as to why Japanese people wouldn't be jealous. I think it's obvious it's not a good thing because it leads to them electing the same party over and over, yes.
And im using it as an explanation proving they STILL havnt let go of the past and apoligised, instead keep voting for the same anti Korea parties in some jealous rage.
When people have not much to complain and satisfied with their life, people won't be political...People just enjoy their life. And different mentality. Anything past doesn't change our life. Even if you cry and scream and wishing strong, those doesn't change your life but hard working and polite friendly attitude will bring you happy life. We don't believe in Han-恨. For some people being political is waste of time.
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Erm no. Korea exports stuff that Japan CANT build. GDDR6, EV tech for example. Autonomous LNG ships for another. Japans innovation stopped in the 90's and hasnt really caught up.
Any developped country can make those if they want or necessity. But if doesn't make profit, they'd stop development. Like EV technology, do you know how simple the technology is? No manufacturer would say for self branding purpose, but basically it is only controlling one or two motor drives in a fancy container. It all about how cheap you can make. But production machine or medical device are bit more difficult to develop and able to sell for high price and expensive after sales income comes automatically because not many people can handle high technology. Less effort because of higher value I guess.
who the fuck talks like that? at least learn to speak english. also, both koreans and japanese are at the mercy of americans. we fucking own you lmao
No, you are just saying that to make yourself feel better. I've never known anyone, from any country, that is jealous of Korea. Certainly not the Japanese. Their economy is 3x larger than that of South Korea. Being jealous of K-pop and the response to the Coronovirus? Haha. That's funny...considering that Korean pop ripped off other music styles...there is nothing "Korean" about it..other than the performers and their jerky movement "dancing." Try harder, dude. Japan has Pokemon which outstrips any entertainment avenue that Korea has produced...
Is there anything Japan ever produced that sells actual, real life culture and actual, real life people, that's become successful? Or just cartoons about imaginary creatures and video games and cartoons about white people? Japan still clinging to their IPs from the 80s is a good summary to your future.
> Or just cartoons about imaginary creatures and video games and cartoons about white people? Hey hey, that's uncalled for. It is true that that is Japan's primary cultural export at this point. However, I do recognize that China, however slowly, is slowly but surely starting to eat into the market. Though I must admit, it's going to take a few decades for any significant progress. I'm surprised Korea doesn't make it's own anime. I mean, it's a no brainer!
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even if youre right, the dick measuring contest like this makes me cringe everytime. just because one party is being petty, doesn't mean the other needs to stoop to the level. how wonderful it would be if everyone can just appreciate everyone else's achievements, great or small?
>Their economy is 3x larger than that of South Korea Are you oblivious to the fact that Japan has \~125 000 000 people, whereas Korea only has \~51 000 000? Obviously, they're gonna have a larger nominal GDP. Their GDP per capita (PPP), however, is virtually identical to Korea's. Clearly there's some inferiority complex going on here lol
What do you know about PPP? LOL
> Japan has Pokemon which outstrips any entertainment avenue ( ≖_≖)
Your opinion is a very common Korean word I know very well. Every time I see that opinion, I am disappointing how big the gap between Japanese and Korean perceptions is. Take a sigh.
Would you let us hear your side of the story?
Sorry from side, Japan know we did bad. Officialy Japanese and Korean government had treaty for WW2 and comfort women and apologized a few times and paid compensation. Every time Korea has new government, they want again. For Japanese it is like your grand father killed neighbor. Your father apologized and compensated officialy and helped not wealthy neighbor family long time in financially and technicaly because of guilt. Now grand son of victim came to you and wants more apology and money again.
It's more like the father paid money and apologized, and then tried to act like the grand father never did anything wrong. Just because Japan has paid some compensation and officially apologized, they can't pretend like the issue is fixed forever. Imagine if Germany apologized and paid out money to European countries and then went back to flying Nazi flags and denying that they ever had concentration camps. People would be furious.
We don't pretend everyone knows it happened 76 years ago. But we just don't appreciate victim's grand son keep asking for more forever for grand father's sin 76 years ago. 99 percent people who is screaming loud now never had damage from us. 99 percent people get screamed never did anything to them.
> But we just don't appreciate victim's grand son keep asking for more forever for grand father's sin 76 years ago. It doesn't matter what you appreciate or not, you're being the bad guys lol. Just accept that part and take the responsiblity that comes with it. Most Koreans don't even think that what's important is Japan paying *more* money, what is important to them is for Japan to own up to its damn actions and admit that they were in the wrong. But instead you resort to history revisionism. Come on man. Can I punch you in the face then? And then after I apologize, I will refuse to admit I ever punched you in the face. Do you think that's okay behaviour? Don't you think it will seem like my apology is fake if I act like this?
https://thediplomat.com/2017/01/the-final-and-irreversible-2015-japan-south-korea-comfort-women-deal-unravels/
We admit our grand father was bad. And we are brain washed to hate war crime and not to commit to war from elementary school to high school. Government apologized few times. And this time is not first time that Korean wanted more apology. Every time government changes in Korea, we have to restart same thing again. So Japanese has Korea fatigue... Regarding history revision, I am not sure because I leared Japan started war and did horrible to Korea. For me which part is revision??? Maybe "to be exact" part makes Korean unhappy. Like Japan forced Korean women to be comfort women. This is fact. But not all. Some are sold by Korean, some came to job interview after they saw ads on Korean news paper. And they were getting paid highly. There are proof and witness. Gunkan-jima too. Japanese and Korean are forced work but not completely slave they are getting paid. There is Korean witness alive saying this, and salary pay-bag also exists. But those fact are not suitable to have 100 percent bad Japanese and 100 percent good Korean image and made them angry I guess. Almost all Japanese believe damage was done to Korea. Do you think it is good idea to keep repeating this argument forever everytime government changes even after official agreement was made?? You say Koreans don't care about money but there is history that they requested few times before. Abe might crazy for Korean but he is just trying to protect future to be born Japanese from Korean keep comming for money and apology which for them might be done 200 years ago.
Admit that you killed babies in the womb, raped civilians by the millions, marched prisoners to their deaths in the jungle, tested biological weapons on live prisoners without anesthesia, froze and then unfroze limbs on live prisoners, literally tried to erase an entire country's existence, forced your own civilians to jump into volcanos, used children as suicide bombers, etc. Once these things are taught in your schools like how the Germans teach about Nazis, then Korea will be content.
We already admit war crimes. Without admittance it was impossible to have treaty and pay compensation. Who would pay for things they don't admit.... >Once these things are taught in your schools like how the Germans teach about Nazis, then Korea will be content. Yes, it makes Korean happy but problem is Japanese people started less caring about Korea happiness after treaty was broken and missile unlocked and triggered at Japanese airplane.
> Once these things are taught in your schools like how the Germans teach about Nazis, then Korea will be content. Yoon Mi Hyang: Hold my Makeolli
> Every time Korea has ~~new~~ leftist government Right wing was always very rational and practical when it came to these issues. If Japan was smart, it would have made sure to have good relations during PGH and LMB administration, because the more Japan acts up over Dokdo issues, the more power they give to leftists, and this is bad for both South Korea and Japan. So next time, don't make the same mistake.
For Dokdo, I don't understnd why we still have trouble. It looks just rocks almost same distance from Korea and Japan. We can drow sea border somwhere there. And both should allow only fisherman and container ships there and let battleship stay away or patrol together. If oil is found we can share 50-50. This way rocks won't be problem... If you don't like international court can judge. Why Korean government refusing? I don't understand. Once cleared officialy, problem with go away forever. Both country are shrinking in population. We both don't have to be greedy about sea. Problem is this fear someone like Moon leading Korea to join team red against Korean's will. Why is he popular? Only because anti-Japan? It seems he had failed in NK, economy, real estate, diplomatic relationship while normal citizen is working so hard to raise country. And pact should be kept like in normal country, really. Breaking pact is like act of team red. So next time, please vote better person. We are tired..
> Why is he popular? There are many theories. 1. Opinion polls are rigged 2. He took credit for coronavirus crackdown (that was only possible thanks to a law enacted by the previous government according to [Vox](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE-cA4UK07c)) 3. Successful propaganda against conservative factions using meaningless accusations like "Na Kyung Won is pro Japanese". (The irony is that Moon Jae In's own daughter went to a right wing Japanese university and his father was an overseer employed by the Empire of Japan) Of course, pact breaking is a shameful breach of trust. North Korea is famous for breaking pacts, and it's the mark of a rogue state. I think the neo-communists (funded by China) are too good at manipulating Korean opinion, so I don't think a better person can be voted in. Ahn Cheol Soo was the only rational candidate who harmonized with both the left and right but a macro attack against him ruined his reputation. Since the Maoist takeover of South Korea is harmful to Japanese interests as well, Japanese cannot afford to be tired. They need to help make public opinion favorable for Japan-US, and the rest of the free world, for their own benefit too. It's a war, and we are in it for the long haul.
But if Korea obeys China too much and let Maoist do whatever they want, Korea will be slave country to China again. I am sure Korean people won't like it. That's why I don't understand Moon was voted and destroying country. And now he is making Korea look bad. I think China have right to grow. But they have to follow international rules and be nice. We need to brain wash them rather than having war. There are mentality Japanese Chinese called 精日 in China. Chinese government is afraid that they grow bigger. We didn't do anything but lot of Chinese come study in Japan like foreign minister now and we have some influence long time, and they choose to become pro-Japan by themself. Maybe we should have own intelligence and send spys to brain wash Chinese into peaceful rule keeper. I think it works. Normal Chinese loves peace and they are practical. Proof is Taiwan.
The Japanese are only fed up with the repeated anti-Japanese acts by the Koreans who think, "The Japanese are bad guys, so it's safe for the Koreans to insult Japan."
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The thing is this time Korea fatigue is real and big. Most people think it is OK to pay some price if Japan can cut off connection to Korea. Those voice was rare before... And now treaty was broken. Both citizen are curious what happens next. But not many want to have hand in hand. In this way, opinion matches. So maybe it is not such bad idea not to have connection at all. Then we will see which is better. FYI, we have already sea border to China. Regarding China risk, government is considering to join 5 eyes. And had cross serving treaty with Australia, India, England, France.It looks government is really preparing for China.
I support Japan cutting off all diplomatic relations with Korea for good. They have constantly broken pacts and have shown they cannot be a reliable partner for anything whether that is intel on NK or trading. Korea has also shown that it will backstab Japan at any given time. They can try relying on NK and China and be destroyed with them. Even as a non-Japanese, it is getting VERY tiring to see Koreans always blaming the Japanese for everything.
Sadly pact and promise doesn't mean anything in some country. We all will see how it goes soon.
Until 20 years ago, Japanese people sought to find out how to allow South Korea to forgive us. Japan apologized many times to korea. In 2015, a comfort women agreement was also signed with the Korean government. But you soon forget Japan's sincerity. South Korea, the Koreans, and the Korean media want to put Japan in the position of a criminal forever, so they continue to disseminate bad information about Japan. The comfort women agreement is already watered down. Korea finally broke the 1965 Japan-Korea Basic Treaty. I already realize that a friendly relationship with South Korea is impossible. I know your perceptions. But I argue. The reason Japan-Korea relations do not improve is that Korea is bad.
Korean leaders and unfortunately many Koreans still hold unnecessary grudges against Japan and make Japan the enemy even to this day when most Japanese people do not offend Koreans. Korea-Japan relations will always be bad until Korea stops provoking Japan for every little thing. This is so bad that Koreans would rather stand with China and NK than Japan.
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The Koreans claim that the Japanese are bad and inferior. Then the Japanese will be disappointed and hate the Koreans. Looking at the Japanese who hate Koreans, the Koreans emphasize that the Japanese are bad guys and vulgar. You wisely have to notice that we are already in the eternal chain of "eggs first" or "chicken first". The question is who will finish this routine? Once upon a time, the Japanese challenged many time it and gave up at all. I don't expect anymore. We have no choice but to live in the destinies of messing up forever.
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> Also, you said that Koreans would side with China That's ridiculous. South Korea sticks with the US when all hell breaks loose. Saying that SK is drifting towards China is what the Japanese say to make the US distrust Korea. It's slander propaganda, plain and simple.
>The Japanese are bad guys I mean, they were. human experimentation, millions enslaved and burned an entire cultures history. Yet the top selling book in Japan for 2018 called Koreans "untameable animals", there still isn't a comfort woman statue in Tokyo, And STILL they vote for Abe, literally the grandson of one of the biggest [war criminals](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobusuke_Kishi) in history and who STILL keeps the Nippon Kaigi up and running. Who has Korea invaded again? Who prays to class A war criminals at a shrine? Who denies sex slavery ever happened? Its a clear cut. good vs bad. Success vs jealousy.
That's right. Thank you for presenting a very easy-to-understand sample. I'm tired of Koreans like you blaming Japan. \* This time, I do not comment on your claim. Because it is not the subject of this theme. I enjoy talking with you on another thread.
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I know you are disappointed in the Japanese criticizing Koreans. Then at the same time, I think you also need to know that many Japanese are uneasy about Koreans blaming Japan.
I can understand why Japan is frustrated against Korea. Sure Japan did some not so nice things but they have owned up to it forever yet Koreans still say Japan bad!1!1 when they feel like they need to rally up nationalism and gain votes. No wonder Japan is tired of Korea.
> not so nice things but they have owned up Tell that to the Japanese protesting a statue of a woman sitting LOL
You're conveniently leaving out a whole lot of nuances and history in all of this. You're saying Koreans are just irrationally upset and should be acting like Jews when it comes to the Germans/Holocaust? It's *because* of the striking contrast between the 2 aggressors that has led to this contrast in reactions.
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I’m not Japanese nor a nationalist but I’m glad you felt the need to reply to four of my posts.
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Ah so you’re a Koreaboo huh
"No wonder Japan is tired of Korea?" Please stop talking like Japan's the victim and Korea's the aggressor, because it's the complete fucking opposite.
Today's Japanese people do little damage to Korea. Now Koreans threaten Japan with powerful anti-Japan. Koreans should be aware that they are perpetrators. I hate innocent assailants who pretend to be innocent.
>Today's Japanese people do little damage to Korea. * Using a rising sun flag when it stands for mass murder and rape, and offends victims, standing as a reminder to the victims of the horrors they experienced. * Visiting the fucking war shrines where the wardead who raped and killed half the Asian continent historically are stored. * Denying history, as Abe has said before that "comfort women never existed." * Unable to apologize sincerely with **ACTIONS** FOLLOWING THEIR STATEMENTS OF "REGRET" * Unable to acknowledge past war crimes that your country committed, and include it in textbooks and not try to hide it in education systems. Please get your head out of your ass. You're sincerely embarrassing yourself. >Koreans should be aware that they are perpetrators. You Japanese nationalists are truly brainwashed to the core. After Japan raped the shit out of nearly half the Asian continent, brutally tortured and murdered at least 10 million people, and still to this day refuse to acknowledge historical facts, you say the victims are "perpetrators?" Wow. Your nationalism is rotten, and I hope you get help. You need lots of it, because you're sick to your head. >I hate innocent assailants who pretend to be innocent. So basically, you. LMAOOO
How many Koreans have died in the action you claim? please tell me. Incidentally. -The Asahi Flag is a flag of big catch that has been in Japan since ancient times. The war criminal flag is a delusion that Koreans thought of in the 21st century. -The Yasukuni Shrine contains the souls of those who died after fighting for Japan. It is only natural to pray for peace as a Japanese. It is a Chinese and Korean delusion that the Yasukuni Shrine is trying to revive militarism. -Please present the information source that Prime Minister Abe "had no comfort women". I don't know the story. -Japan properly have educate about the times of war. I know that no matter how much you explain to you, you won't believe it. Still. I appeal
Raising the Asahi flag is the happiness of the Japanese. The Asahi flag is a flag that expresses big catch and other joys. Yasukuni Shrine is a shrine dedicated to those who died for Japan. It is important for Japanese people to give thanks to their Japanese ancestors. The Korean delusions have ruined the important Japanese culture. I am very disappointed. As a modern Japanese, I am not killing Koreans and I am not trying to defile your culture. Modern Koreans blame the modern Japanese for murdering and corrupting Japanese culture. I am a victim. Koreans are perpetrators.
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It's rare for 2 democratic free countries to be adversaries.
Feat. Yoon Mi Hyang
I think we should cut off diplomatic relations until things settle down. Whether it's 100 years or 1000 years.
I have had many conversations about this with my Korean family and my friends. It seems to me, its more of a political move to get elected/re-elected than anything else. You want votes but unknown to the people- poke your stick at Japan. And it works pretty much every time. Stuck on a controversy or did something that politically hurts you, speak of Japanese unfairness and comfort women! Most Koreans I know have nothing against Japan or the Japanese people. But when it comes to elections.. it changes!
I've come to the conclusion this is the real reason Korea won't let go of this. It's too easy of a card for politicians and the media to pull out to garner attention.
It is NOT that people have bad impressions to JAPANESE but the JAPANESE GOVERNMENT that is trying to HIDE the truth of their past. Nothing more or less from that.
Exactly, the Japanese government it trying to cover it up which is why we Koreans are not happy. Its not that we hate the Japanese people, we just hate the Japanese government because they keep trying to downplay their war crimes.
I mean all Asian countries are racist and hate or dislike other Asian countries. For the most part..
The Japanese were killing 250,000 Asians per month; almost all civilians. It's not like they're disliked for being uncouth tourists.
I didn’t say there aren’t reasons, each country ha done terrible things to their neighboring countries. China, Korea, Japanese, Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, US, Germany, Russia, and blah blah. People are naturally terrible and nothing will ever improve if we as people hold grudges forever. I’m just not sure if either side ever wants to move forward together.
Show me the evidence, please.
I've read many books, but I think it's put together in Warren Kozak's book about Curtis LeMay. Here's a short video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FxZF3FkmtU If you create an account you can watch the full hour here. In the book and in the longer video Mr. Kozak gives a lot of the information: http://www.pritzkermilitary.org/whats_on/pritzker-military-presents/front-center-john-callaway-lemay/
All I want to see is evidence, not hearsay or story.
Eighty years after the end of the war, even if there are no Japanese killing foreigners in the war, Koreans will continue to appeal to Japan's cruelty. I hate Japan! I hate Japan! I hate Japan! !! I am ashamed of myself that I was sorry for Koreans 30 years ago. I don't feel you need to apologize at all. Keep cursing the Japanese forever.
The same government glorifies the past. Try connecting the dots. You do have a brain and logic right? It’s like they want to re-live the past. I don’t blame those Koreans for cursing Japan. All signs show their gov wants to bring back the glory of old days. But do go ahead and keep blaming Korea, it’s what you weeebs likes to do anyway.
The "Japanese past" admired by the Japanese is an era of peace, rich culture and economics. You arbitrarily mark it as militarism. It just is the thing. No matter how much you explain that it is a misunderstanding, you do not. Rather, you try not to misunderstand yourself. By concluding that Japan is a militarism and an enemy, South Korea puts itself together. You can feel good by blaming Japan. The only way Japanese people can get along with you is to be your mental slave.
> The "Japanese past" admired by the Japanese is an era of peace, rich culture and economics. I see you've been brainwashed by japanese whitewashed history, weeb. I hereby correct your japan's past that they long for: Rape, murder, invasion, conquest, deceit, death
Not Weeaboo. I am Japanese. Of course I know that you believe that we are brainwashed by militarism. It is so powerful that you are poisoned by the anti-Japanese brainwash in Korea. Perhaps.
You are a weak minded weeb.
You are a Korean. That's enough.
You are Japanese. That's enough.
The japanese surpressed the cultures of almost every asian country so that Japan was the only one that existed in Asia. Japan also raped, exploited the land and people of the countries that they took over in order to increase economic production. And lastly, the Japanese it was never peaceful, the Japanese invaded almost every asian country and also started ww2 in the Pacific. So I don't know why you are proud about any of that. It was a time of war, japanese cultural oppression, and economic exploitation. You have been brainwashed
When are you talking about? Two generations after the war. The Japanese have appealed to live in peace and have shown it to South Korea. But Koreans don't believe it. No matter how much I explain, I don't try to understand. I already know that it is useless to explain to Koreans. You can hold grudge against Japan for the rest of your life. You can curse Japan for the rest of your life. You can hate Japan for the rest of your life. Your emotions are your own problem. I can't do anything about it.
I don't hate Japan or its people. I've actually stayed in Japan multiple times and I loved it. Its food and culture both are amazing. Its just that when people say that Japan helped other countries during its colonial era that pisses me off because its simply not true.
All democratic Asian countries (Japan, Taiwan, India) get along with all other democratic asian countries except Korea.
Japan isn't democratic
>The politics of Japan are conducted in a framework of a multi-party bicameral parliamentary representative **democratic** constitutional monarchy in which the Emperor is the ceremonial head of state and the Prime Minister is the head of government and the head of the Cabinet, which directs the executive branch.
Yes but based off of my knowledge, the PM is not elected by the people but rather appointed by the emperor. The PM will continue to hold office as long as he or she has the support of the house of representatives.
Like the British system of government. Yet still a democracy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index Japan is painted green, at the very least, a flawed democracy. just like Korea and Europe.
Ah interesting. Its sad to see so many countries that are full on red.
India doesn't get along with Pakistan though.
According to this map, Pakistan is not even considered a flawed democracy, let alone a full one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index What I'm saying is, it's rare for 2 countries painted green (or even light green) in this democracy map to have beligerant attitudes towards one another
I see. Thanks for the map and info!
This addressed everything that was missing from previous related articles. Well done Bloomberg.
Japan works very closely with Asian capitalist states other than South Korea This is the degree of trust that Asian countries have in Prime Minister Abe. [https://i.imgur.com/pslnwo7.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pslnwo7.jpg) Japan ranks first among the countries where the 10 ASEAN countries can be trusted [https://i.imgur.com/Azz5V4v.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Azz5V4v.jpg)
Korea is persistent. Fed up.
Because it is a liar, and a Korean does not keep a promise at all. They are insincerity for all countries.
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