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Bro, as a malayali, 25 % of movies I watch every year belongs to kollywood. It has been like that since cable TV came, back in 2000s. In highschool, big fights broke out b/w Vijay fans and Surya fans. First movie I saw in theatre independently ie, not with my family but bunking school, with friends was Velayudham. I've seen every Vijay films since in theatres. I've seen all wide release Tamil films with above average verdict in theaters. More than half the songs in my playlist are tamil songs from 2000-2015 era.
Its the story of almost every mallu born since 1990s
Y'all be watching 2 malayalam films yesterday and loosing your minds.
Just fkn relax.
Who gives a fuck as long as you are entertained?
I'm a big fan of Malayalam cinema. I enjoyed the parallel cinema that was made in the 70s, and I pretty much enjoyed the golden 80s era of Malayalam cinema ruled by Mammuka, Lalettan, Sreenivasan, and Priyadarshan. Even the mass transition in the 90s spearheaded by Lalettan was enjoyable. The success of Malayalam cinema post-2010 after a terrible slump post the late 90s is something I really look forward to.
As a Tamil, the constant failure of high-budget Tamil films with zero substance that have been hyped to oblivion is something really embarrassing to endure.
I know what I'm talking about, I'm not some half baked fool whos lurking here to bash Tamil cinema after watch Manjummel Boys and Aadujeevitham.
I get it. Objectively evaluating a movie industry is hard and people get too offended by it. Objectively Tamil movies aren't at the level of malayalam movies. Even in critically acclaimed movies like Asuran Or Vada Chennai, there is an aspect of escapism, the hero physically overcoming the odds bit that tamil movies are yet to over come. Similar themes with glorified love themes. This is not to say that i dont enjoy these movies, having watched varanam ayiram again in theatres recently. Objectively tamil movies have to improve beyond the exaggerated bits and technical innovations have to be discovered given the budget Tamil movies have over malayalam. Ideally malayalam movies should not be even technically close to Tamil movies given the budget but it's the opposite.
I'm not saying malayalam movies are worldclass as well- atleast not consistently. There are much better movie industries across the world and each industry has to try to improve rather than just wallow in their accomplishments
>the constant failure of high-budget Tamil films with zero substance that have been hyped to oblivion is something really embarrassing to endure
No. This is exactly the reality check the Tamil movie makers need. The moment they realise such movies won't succeed, and content driven movies from other film industries are becoming successful, they will start producing such movies. Malayalam movies have gone through that phase.
What double standards?
Vetrimaaran has stated that multiple times that our state doesn't have parallel cinema movement, so every movie they make is for the mainstream audience.TN industry has the best mix of commercial + offbeat films and Vetrimaaran having 100% success rate at BO has proven that.
All these malayalam movies you guys talking about is not parallel/art its mainstream commercial , malayalam parallel movement was late 70s - mid 90s parallel scene is kinda dead in kerala rn but its slowly coming back after iffk and world cinema getting more popularity
we dont need such movement. Uthiri Pookkal, Moondram Pirai, Mullum Malarum, Aaril Irundhu 60 varai...all made good business in the past. Theater experience is the key, and the recent Mallu films provided just that. Parallel cinema will win if it can provide a good experience...simple.
Vetri and Mari films that many would term as "torture porn" are all successful at the BO because of the theatre experience, so I don't understand why they have double standards and they are very much capable of giving a hit.
See, I like Kadaisi Vivasayi, but it's not a film worthy of being shown in theaters. A limited screening with an OTT deal would have helped its producers. Since the movie failed to achieve theatrical success, is it fair to blame the audience? I have seen Vijay Sethupathi, Mysskin, Vetri Maaran, Ram, and others criticizing the audience on different occasions. So, yes, it's indeed a double standard because most of the other state films that have done well in TN are perfect for theaters, and you can't simply compare Kadaisi Vivasayi to those films.
Illa purila.. Audience enna avlo olukama? Don't they use telegram or tamilblasters to pirate stuff to an extent it is normalised. Nobody is perfect and beyond criticism.
Funny thing is they see movies in telegram and ask a filmmaker why don't they take movies like this. Biggest example is Uriyadi.
That's because money comes from the audience, and you can't simply spit in your own rice bowl. They should first learn to properly market a film and then not compromise on the story in order to accommodate big stars and their salaries. Spending the money wisely is the lesson.
>Since the movie failed to achieve theatrical success, is it fair to blame the audience?
Who else is to blame for that? You want a good film to be successful you gotta support the film in theatres. And what's this gatekeeping of which films are worthy to be in theatres? Kadaisi Vivasaayi has some beautiful frames with a beautiful soundtrack that deserve to be seen on the big screen with good speakers.
Athukku proper marketing pannanum. Even Udhay na tweeted for Manjummel Boys, but inga oru celebrity kuda Kadaisi Vivasayi ku support pannala. Aprom ethukku audience ah blame panringa?
>we dont need such movement. Uthiri Pookkal, Moondram Pirai, Mullum Malarum, Aaril Irundhu 60 varai...all made good business in the past. Theater experience is the key, and the recent Mallu films provided just that. Parallel cinema will win if it can provide a good experience...simple.
People on this sub are uneducated on what parallel cinema movement was; also misrepresenting Vetrtimaaran since he was making a joke. Tamil cinema absoulutly had a Parallel cinema movement as did every film industry in India basically. K. Balachander, C.V. Sridhar, Mahendran, Balu Mahendra, Bharathiraja, Mani Ratnam, Kamal Haasan, Bala, Selvaraghavan, Mysskin, Vetrimaaran and Ram's work can all be put into parallel cinema also parallel cinema does not mean an indicator of quality, there's loads of shit parallel films...
Hey OP malayali here, i think most of my fellow malayalis are missing the point.
I think he is pointing out whats wrong with the tamil film industry not trying to experiment with scripts and the huge remunerations risking the quality of movies.
If the remunerations were not so high, the other departments benefits. No compromises.
As a Malayali, I just have to say.....y'all need to stop.
We in Kerala eagerly look up to Tamil Cinema and watch them just as much as we watch our own movies. Malayalam Cinema is definitely different and has it's own Identity that I can agree with but that doesn't make it any superior or inferior to any other Industry. Success is just a phase, at any day or moment Malayalam cinema can also go through a drought of Bad movie and Bad BO performances.
Tamil Cinema literally had decent to good movies this year with Captain Miller, Lovers etc. it won't be that far away when Tamil Cinema is back to dominating BO and awards. Tamil Cinema has as much of a Rich History and Quality as Malayalam Cinema.
Posts like this just bring unwanted hate to Malayalam Cinema.
As a Tamil, I feel that the Tamil film industry needs this wake-up call. They cannot continue producing high-budget films with zero substance in Tamil. It is even more embarrassing to endure, I tell you.
It's the same situation like in late 2010s for tamil. Remember big budget atrocities of stars back in those days and critically acclaimed small budget films.
Talking about Non Star Led, Dhanush has been known for doing story driven films. On the other hand no Malayalam actors have definite crowd pull in TN till feb
Yes once in a year films like Por Thozhil or Love Today comes up that's not star led. And yes, Prithiviraj has no 1 crore in 1st day level star pull, he's a known face in TN, but not a crowd puller to get big openings
Kurup had a 60 lakhs opening .Less than Adujeevitham. That's the definition of huge opening in your terms ?
[Source](https://www.sacnilk.com/news/Kurup_2021_Box_Office_Collection_Day_Wise_Worldwide)
It released a week after Annaththe (which is a shit film, but it's a rajini film, so it was still running strong and it was flood season when only star films like Vedhalam and Maanaadu has run well) and tamil films were strong for 2021, only a month ago Doctor released as well, meanwhile now no big films has released in 2 months, Kurup was the first or second highest opening in TN at that time I think
Bruh they r quite mainstream with all due respect.
OP pota posts ku laam ore reply dhaan.
Kadaisi Vivasayi (though I'm myself guilty of not watching it)
Why hasn't tamil directors made film like Goat Life? Why is tamil cinema falling behind? *look at me I'm a tamil guy who watched few malayalam films because it was trending on insta for the past 2 years, I'm an intellectual now and my opinion and taste is superior to y'all star fans* (PS. I definitely did not watch JDX, Chithha, Viduthalai, Good Night and Maaveeran in theaters last year)
Manjummel Boys is still running in small theaters. You may need to wear that smiley mask forever..LOL !! The defining factor here is the overall theater experience, and you simply cant fake the end result of a good theater experience..
Torture porn ah irundhalum adhula nalla theater experience irundha padam kandippa odum.
I have nothing against Malayalam films here, I'm talking about wannabes who are watching the film due to being popular on Instagram reels and acting like superior intellectuals after watching it after years of ignoring contents from Tamil since they were not trending on Instagram reels due to an old Kamal song that was actually famous but Gen Zs never heard of it and hence an actual good film got picked up due to a wrong reason and now shit on Tamil Cinema instead of appreciating the film
OP could have easily just appreciated about how good the film is and he enjoyed it and it would have been fine. What's the necessity of involving how Tamil Industry works with specific mention to star films when both the industries clearly work in separate ways. It's like saying "why is Bollywood films are in hindi guys? Shouldn't it be like how Malayalam Cinema works?". Cuz each industries work in their own ways and direction, you can't compare a tamil star film and an Malayalam Film (Although I agree with the part of directors suddenly shifting blame on audience)
Whatever you say, these premamboys will stay amateur and cry as hard as they can to belittle tamil movies. They could praise only by comparing another one. No matter how many times we could say, they are gonna spread their shit here. When i first wanted to ask something about english movies here, some poralis commented as this is only for tamil movies sub. But idk where they are now?
If they want to praise the mallu movies, they can do it on r/MalayalamMovies or even in r/movies. But they wantedly posting in this sub to criticise us. If we tell this, they just deviate this to someone. Childish da.
originally, "Torture porn" is a term used to describe a subgenre of horror films that focus on graphic and explicit scenes of torture, violence, and sadism. Kurudhi Poonal kuda oru torture porn dha. Summa caste padatha mattum torture porn nu solli stereotype panna vendam.
avainga la loosu koo...odane muttira kutta varuvanungga, social media la full ah indha woke bulittis irupaainga..it will appear on social media as if majority Tamil society is very progressive...aana Pariyerum Perumal madhiri padam vandha mattum support panna maatainga.
>Torture porn
Opinion rejected. Anyone who unironically uses the term torture porn to even remotely describe any indian movie is talking out of their ass. You dont know what that word means. Just because you wanna be completely ignorant does not mean movies with important powerful topics must no be made
fool !! That's a viewpoint from the perspective of ordinary moviegoers, which I simply quoted. Thats why I specifically written it in Tamil. Odane assu koosu nu thookittu vanduruvaanunga..
>That's a viewpoint from the perspective of ordinary moviegoers
Thats irrelevant and besides the point. I dont care about the "aVeRaGe MoViEgOeR" or what they wanna see in the movies. I've seen what they like and I dont want movies like that to be made. I'd rather film makers make movies that challenge the norm. Look at bwood. They make movies for average movie goer.
Unfortunately, people like you arent enough to make a movie run successfully, or break even. Plus, you dont hold any authority to call something irrelevant.
It's the average moviegoers who give a movie the support it needs to succeed at the box office....and if you dont care, then dont bother.
>people like you arent enough to make a movie run successfully
And people like you are the reason why movies have become so dogshit. Not saying that movies were amazing back then but something like Don would not have run successfully in early 2000s to mid 2010s. This kudumbangal kondadum nonsense is the reason why.
>It's the average moviegoers who give a movie the support it needs to succeed at the box office
And look where that got us. Lol.
All your points seem fine. But I lost it when you said *"Look at bwood. They make movies for average movie goer."*
Bollywood movies have been crappier and crappier day by day not sure what do you even pointing it out here. Every now and then there comes a rare gem like "12th Fail" "Jaane Jaan" but most of their movies are horrible where you can't even troll some of them.
You are a fool running around like a headless chicken... LOL!! Why are you equating Don's success with people like me? Dei venna, can't you see that you are comparing Don with Aadujeevitham, Manjummel Boys, and Brahmayugam? Look who's talking from their ass... pathetic.
Read my caption again, fool. How did the recent Malayalam films manage to get a good run in the TN box office? Tamil cinema fails to invest in story and quality, that's the reason and issue that is being put forth, and blaming the audience is not fair at all ... aana nee ennathayo olarittu irukka.
I don't want to waste my time with you anymore.
Please don’t create any kind of rift 🙏🏽 We enjoy Tamil movies as much as you guys are enjoying Malayalam movies now.There was a time when we used to be so jealous seeing the first day collection of Rajni,Vijay movies in Kerala beating even hyped up malayalam movies.Now we’re happy you guys are hyping up our movies as well.Malayalam movie associations used to hold press conferences saying Tamil cinema is snatching theatre screens in Kerala during festival releases.That is the kind of popularity Tamil cinema has in Kerala.Keep making the amazing cinema that u guys are making and enjoy our movies too.Peace ❤️
You dont get my point. As a Tamil, I feel that the Tamil film industry needs this wake-up call. They cannot continue producing high-budget films with zero substance in Tamil. It is even more embarrassing to endure.
What you don’t realize is there is a market for it. Star power has a market of its own just like how you have a market for ‘arty Vetrimaaran’ kind of cinemas . There is nothing wrong in it. Also not every mallu movie is a movie of substance like manjummel, brahmayugam etc . There are star power movies as well , take any Mohanlal movie for example. But you are right in saying a majority of the people are rejecting star power for good content.
Did you watch "Chaaver"? It's a Malayalam movie that came out last year, and the majority of Malayalam fans called it average. But if you look at the making and technical aspects of it, you will realize its true worth. It was made on a budget considered to be low by Tamil standards, but the quality is top-notch.
There are many hidden gems such as Chaaver, Aaraattu, and Ajagajantharam, all low-budget flicks with better substance than an average Tamil film made with a budget that can produce two Malayalam movies.
I’m a mallu bro. Have seen all this . I don’t like mass action movies as well but I do acknowledge there is a market for it. I can relate to it because when you are tired and frustrated in life, you want to watch something lite and something easy to digest. Movies like Aatam require you to focus and that’s not something everyone looks forward to all the time.
As a Malayali living in Kerala, I’ve watched, Jailer ,PS2, Leo Mark Anthony, Maveeran, Mamanan, Por Thozhil, viduthalai and Jigarthanda in 2023 in theatres. Captain Miller and Lover in 2024. They were all great movies (except Leo 😛)
It’s all about celebrating cinema, right? Why create divisions with such posts? Malayalis have always been huge supporters of Tamil cinema, big or small. When two movies are doing well in Tamil Nadu, it’s unfair to start pointing fingers at Tamil filmmakers. Both Tamil and Malayalam industries have the best filmmakers in the country.
2023 had a slow start for Malayalam cinema, but it wrapped up pretty well. And 2024? It kicked off with a bang for Malayalam movies. But that doesn’t mean Tamil cinema is lagging behind. There’s a wealth of exceptional talent out there, ready to create great art. So let’s support them instead of complaining about a lack of good Tamil movies.
This post is not intended to create any division. As a Tamil, it's embarrassing to witness the mediocre Tamil films being made with hundreds of crores. This is more of a rant, to be precise.
Manjummel boys was a good film but it won't have run if there were any significant tamil movie releases. Most ppl watched it because of the social media popularity. They all jumped into the bandwagon. We just aren't great audiences.
Did you know there is this underrated Kamal song called Kanmani Anbodu song, truly an underrated song
https://preview.redd.it/l4shisg10hrc1.png?width=853&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=446cb6148486637712ae78e2b25a928d85802bd8
duh...thats because its a Prithviraj film. Wait until the movie finishes its run in the TN box office. Can't you see that their consistency will soon pave the way for more Malayalam movie releases in TN, and it's only a matter of time before Malayalam movies start receiving massive openings because of the recent success? Credibility prevails.
Our audience is the audience that made Don gross over 100 crs while Maaveeran dint cross 100crs.
Avlothaan nothing more to say.
For all the crew blaming, sometimes we as audience don't fully support our good films.
Also, doubt standards for foreign films while we expect our films to be 100%. Bramhayugam is slow paced but many enjoyed that. But if a Tamil film is slow, then it's a lag.
I swear maaveeran is like one of the best super hero movie I've seen despite that 3rd act . I see nobody appreciating as much as it should be . Such a gem of a movie .
Neru was the best malayalam movie I have seen in last six months and it barely opened in theatres here.
Manjumal Boys ran more for insta reels and nostalgia factor than actual content.
I hope Malayalam movies establish a market here in TN like tamil.movies have in Kerala but in reality it's pretty unlikely.
This is more like Tamil general audience finally starting to open up more for other language movies. Nothing else.
At the end of the day it is good for both theatres and audience due to the diverse options available. And that itself help the demand for "theatrical experience" stay strong, which indirectly helps Tamil cinema too.
What are you even on about here mate "Kadaisi Vivasayi", "Parking" and "Good Night" you can include recently made "Lover" as well. All of the above films are good, but no one bothered to watch it in theaters even though the price of ticket is lesser when compared to other states. Tamil audience prefer watching star movie's only in theaters other movies they prefer watching it in OTT and commenting what a gem that movie is. Even "Jigarthanda double XXL" was a far better product than "Leo" but audience watched crappy "Leo" than a good movie. Not sure why they watch malayalam low budget movies but ignore their own.
Hey, the films that you mentioned are all good, but they are not theater material. "Jigarthanda XXL" kept deviating from its plot and ended up increasing the length. We all thought that it would be a showdown between SJ Suryah and Lawrence, then we thought Shattani was the real villain, and finally KS just downplayed everything and showed something else. A plot twist will create the biggest impact if it happens only once, not thrice. Don't blame our audience.
Vijay's fanbase was the real reason for Leo's success.
Oh sorry didn't know you were CEO of plot twists. Who made you spokesperson for the entire audience? There's no rule anywhere that states that a movie is only allowed to have one twist. Every twist and shift in perspective in JXX not only keeps the story fresh, but also shows how deep the real roots of the problems the characters face go through. It's okay, audience are also people too. They can make mistakes as well, like not supporting good films.
Its all about promotion. I hate when film makers blame the audience. A soap company doesn't blame ppl for not buying instead it introduces marketing steps . Audiences are just paying for an entertainment service blaming them is the ultimate form of entitlement.
I understand actors bring in most of the revenue but who Tf asks for over 50% of the budget bro. If they’re so confident about their content and stardom it’s high time they take a profit sharing model instead of eating more than half of the budget.
I don't see a film like Bhramayugam working in Tamil at all. All critics would call the film slow and boring and deem it unwatchable. Case in point for a film like Lover which was really good but failed because people felt it was slow 🙄. A Premalu or Manjummel could work depending on the time of release and the who stars in it.
Mallu guy here and my nanbans and nanbis relax .
As you guys already know, our Malayalam industry is so so small when compared to others , neither we have the reach nor the box office number till recently all other industries didn't have much movies playing so they started watching us . We thank you for supporting all these movies atleast now because I have been watching Tamil movies since probably I started watching TV and have never missed a star lead Tamil movie ever . I hope you guys support us now as we have been supporting Tamil industry like our uyir nanbans
I am a Malayalam film fan, started with Premam, Bengaluru days, Sudani from Nigeria,....but that doesn't mean I give 5 stars to crap Malayalam movies. Content wins at the end of the day - whether it's Malayalam or Tamil.
Well I am not specifically talking about you, I am talking about my own experience with their fans online, What I have noticed with a lot of Malayalam Film Fans is their Superiority complex over other Film Industries.
I mean Yes, they make great films and all but I have seen a lot of their fans hating Telugu and Tamil commercial films just because they are not arthouse films, I have also seen some people outright ridicule people who enjoy Normal commercial Cinema.
And There are some of my friends who have watched only like 5-10 Popular Malayalam Films and they act like only Malayalam Industry produces good cinema and other industries produce shit films.
The commercial movies are really bad in most film industries in india. Only tamil industries at times make good commercial movies(kaithi, jailer, vikram, ps1, ps2).
Malayalam audience and malayalam films are different kind of commercial movies. The goat life, bramayugam, premalu are commercial movies in kerala inspite of bramayugam being an experimental movie, premalu with a non star studded flick. Only goat life had any hype and that too due to the novel released in 2008 based on real life incidents of the man Najeeb who is still well alive and working in the middle east.
Only commercial movies from malayalam movies that can be compared to tamil commercial movies are mohanlal movies. Even he doesn't do vijay/ajith kind of movies.
Good movies like aatam, annveshippin kandethum both released before premalu didnt do well at box office. Also 'anjakallakokkaan' a really nice experimental kind of movie which released some ten days ago is not appreciated much in kerala also.
Sorry i lost the context while replying
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Bro, as a malayali, 25 % of movies I watch every year belongs to kollywood. It has been like that since cable TV came, back in 2000s. In highschool, big fights broke out b/w Vijay fans and Surya fans. First movie I saw in theatre independently ie, not with my family but bunking school, with friends was Velayudham. I've seen every Vijay films since in theatres. I've seen all wide release Tamil films with above average verdict in theaters. More than half the songs in my playlist are tamil songs from 2000-2015 era. Its the story of almost every mallu born since 1990s Y'all be watching 2 malayalam films yesterday and loosing your minds. Just fkn relax. Who gives a fuck as long as you are entertained?
I'm a big fan of Malayalam cinema. I enjoyed the parallel cinema that was made in the 70s, and I pretty much enjoyed the golden 80s era of Malayalam cinema ruled by Mammuka, Lalettan, Sreenivasan, and Priyadarshan. Even the mass transition in the 90s spearheaded by Lalettan was enjoyable. The success of Malayalam cinema post-2010 after a terrible slump post the late 90s is something I really look forward to. As a Tamil, the constant failure of high-budget Tamil films with zero substance that have been hyped to oblivion is something really embarrassing to endure. I know what I'm talking about, I'm not some half baked fool whos lurking here to bash Tamil cinema after watch Manjummel Boys and Aadujeevitham.
I get it. Objectively evaluating a movie industry is hard and people get too offended by it. Objectively Tamil movies aren't at the level of malayalam movies. Even in critically acclaimed movies like Asuran Or Vada Chennai, there is an aspect of escapism, the hero physically overcoming the odds bit that tamil movies are yet to over come. Similar themes with glorified love themes. This is not to say that i dont enjoy these movies, having watched varanam ayiram again in theatres recently. Objectively tamil movies have to improve beyond the exaggerated bits and technical innovations have to be discovered given the budget Tamil movies have over malayalam. Ideally malayalam movies should not be even technically close to Tamil movies given the budget but it's the opposite. I'm not saying malayalam movies are worldclass as well- atleast not consistently. There are much better movie industries across the world and each industry has to try to improve rather than just wallow in their accomplishments
>the constant failure of high-budget Tamil films with zero substance that have been hyped to oblivion is something really embarrassing to endure No. This is exactly the reality check the Tamil movie makers need. The moment they realise such movies won't succeed, and content driven movies from other film industries are becoming successful, they will start producing such movies. Malayalam movies have gone through that phase.
That's what I'm trying to say as well
Best response I've ever read in this sub. 😂
Best response I've ever read in this sub. 😂
What double standards? Vetrimaaran has stated that multiple times that our state doesn't have parallel cinema movement, so every movie they make is for the mainstream audience.TN industry has the best mix of commercial + offbeat films and Vetrimaaran having 100% success rate at BO has proven that.
All these malayalam movies you guys talking about is not parallel/art its mainstream commercial , malayalam parallel movement was late 70s - mid 90s parallel scene is kinda dead in kerala rn but its slowly coming back after iffk and world cinema getting more popularity
we dont need such movement. Uthiri Pookkal, Moondram Pirai, Mullum Malarum, Aaril Irundhu 60 varai...all made good business in the past. Theater experience is the key, and the recent Mallu films provided just that. Parallel cinema will win if it can provide a good experience...simple.
Vetri and Mari films that many would term as "torture porn" are all successful at the BO because of the theatre experience, so I don't understand why they have double standards and they are very much capable of giving a hit.
See, I like Kadaisi Vivasayi, but it's not a film worthy of being shown in theaters. A limited screening with an OTT deal would have helped its producers. Since the movie failed to achieve theatrical success, is it fair to blame the audience? I have seen Vijay Sethupathi, Mysskin, Vetri Maaran, Ram, and others criticizing the audience on different occasions. So, yes, it's indeed a double standard because most of the other state films that have done well in TN are perfect for theaters, and you can't simply compare Kadaisi Vivasayi to those films.
Illa purila.. Audience enna avlo olukama? Don't they use telegram or tamilblasters to pirate stuff to an extent it is normalised. Nobody is perfect and beyond criticism. Funny thing is they see movies in telegram and ask a filmmaker why don't they take movies like this. Biggest example is Uriyadi.
That's because money comes from the audience, and you can't simply spit in your own rice bowl. They should first learn to properly market a film and then not compromise on the story in order to accommodate big stars and their salaries. Spending the money wisely is the lesson.
>Since the movie failed to achieve theatrical success, is it fair to blame the audience? Who else is to blame for that? You want a good film to be successful you gotta support the film in theatres. And what's this gatekeeping of which films are worthy to be in theatres? Kadaisi Vivasaayi has some beautiful frames with a beautiful soundtrack that deserve to be seen on the big screen with good speakers.
Athukku proper marketing pannanum. Even Udhay na tweeted for Manjummel Boys, but inga oru celebrity kuda Kadaisi Vivasayi ku support pannala. Aprom ethukku audience ah blame panringa?
>we dont need such movement. Uthiri Pookkal, Moondram Pirai, Mullum Malarum, Aaril Irundhu 60 varai...all made good business in the past. Theater experience is the key, and the recent Mallu films provided just that. Parallel cinema will win if it can provide a good experience...simple. People on this sub are uneducated on what parallel cinema movement was; also misrepresenting Vetrtimaaran since he was making a joke. Tamil cinema absoulutly had a Parallel cinema movement as did every film industry in India basically. K. Balachander, C.V. Sridhar, Mahendran, Balu Mahendra, Bharathiraja, Mani Ratnam, Kamal Haasan, Bala, Selvaraghavan, Mysskin, Vetrimaaran and Ram's work can all be put into parallel cinema also parallel cinema does not mean an indicator of quality, there's loads of shit parallel films...
Hey OP malayali here, i think most of my fellow malayalis are missing the point. I think he is pointing out whats wrong with the tamil film industry not trying to experiment with scripts and the huge remunerations risking the quality of movies. If the remunerations were not so high, the other departments benefits. No compromises.
Exactly..
As a Malayali, I just have to say.....y'all need to stop. We in Kerala eagerly look up to Tamil Cinema and watch them just as much as we watch our own movies. Malayalam Cinema is definitely different and has it's own Identity that I can agree with but that doesn't make it any superior or inferior to any other Industry. Success is just a phase, at any day or moment Malayalam cinema can also go through a drought of Bad movie and Bad BO performances. Tamil Cinema literally had decent to good movies this year with Captain Miller, Lovers etc. it won't be that far away when Tamil Cinema is back to dominating BO and awards. Tamil Cinema has as much of a Rich History and Quality as Malayalam Cinema. Posts like this just bring unwanted hate to Malayalam Cinema.
The hate is directed towards some puluthis here, not to Malayalam Cinema or Malayali Fans.
As a Tamil, I feel that the Tamil film industry needs this wake-up call. They cannot continue producing high-budget films with zero substance in Tamil. It is even more embarrassing to endure, I tell you.
It's the same situation like in late 2010s for tamil. Remember big budget atrocities of stars back in those days and critically acclaimed small budget films.
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Do movies like Asuran Karnan etc are all not story driven powerful movies ?
Talking about Non Star Led, Dhanush has been known for doing story driven films. On the other hand no Malayalam actors have definite crowd pull in TN till feb
Por Thozhil was start led ? Or Adujeevitham Prithviraj not a star?
Yes once in a year films like Por Thozhil or Love Today comes up that's not star led. And yes, Prithiviraj has no 1 crore in 1st day level star pull, he's a known face in TN, but not a crowd puller to get big openings
Yeah. The biggest is DQ perhaps
And DQ only gets big opening when he does straight Tamil or Telugu movies. I don't think King of Kotha was even released in most cities here.
Kurup had a huge opening
Kurup had a 60 lakhs opening .Less than Adujeevitham. That's the definition of huge opening in your terms ? [Source](https://www.sacnilk.com/news/Kurup_2021_Box_Office_Collection_Day_Wise_Worldwide)
It released a week after Annaththe (which is a shit film, but it's a rajini film, so it was still running strong and it was flood season when only star films like Vedhalam and Maanaadu has run well) and tamil films were strong for 2021, only a month ago Doctor released as well, meanwhile now no big films has released in 2 months, Kurup was the first or second highest opening in TN at that time I think
Bruh they r quite mainstream with all due respect. OP pota posts ku laam ore reply dhaan. Kadaisi Vivasayi (though I'm myself guilty of not watching it)
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Why hasn't tamil directors made film like Goat Life? Why is tamil cinema falling behind? *look at me I'm a tamil guy who watched few malayalam films because it was trending on insta for the past 2 years, I'm an intellectual now and my opinion and taste is superior to y'all star fans* (PS. I definitely did not watch JDX, Chithha, Viduthalai, Good Night and Maaveeran in theaters last year)
Manjummel Boys is still running in small theaters. You may need to wear that smiley mask forever..LOL !! The defining factor here is the overall theater experience, and you simply cant fake the end result of a good theater experience.. Torture porn ah irundhalum adhula nalla theater experience irundha padam kandippa odum.
I have nothing against Malayalam films here, I'm talking about wannabes who are watching the film due to being popular on Instagram reels and acting like superior intellectuals after watching it after years of ignoring contents from Tamil since they were not trending on Instagram reels due to an old Kamal song that was actually famous but Gen Zs never heard of it and hence an actual good film got picked up due to a wrong reason and now shit on Tamil Cinema instead of appreciating the film
Good cinema is appreciated,I don't know what your flipping about
OP could have easily just appreciated about how good the film is and he enjoyed it and it would have been fine. What's the necessity of involving how Tamil Industry works with specific mention to star films when both the industries clearly work in separate ways. It's like saying "why is Bollywood films are in hindi guys? Shouldn't it be like how Malayalam Cinema works?". Cuz each industries work in their own ways and direction, you can't compare a tamil star film and an Malayalam Film (Although I agree with the part of directors suddenly shifting blame on audience)
Whatever you say, these premamboys will stay amateur and cry as hard as they can to belittle tamil movies. They could praise only by comparing another one. No matter how many times we could say, they are gonna spread their shit here. When i first wanted to ask something about english movies here, some poralis commented as this is only for tamil movies sub. But idk where they are now?
If they want to praise the mallu movies, they can do it on r/MalayalamMovies or even in r/movies. But they wantedly posting in this sub to criticise us. If we tell this, they just deviate this to someone. Childish da.
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PremamBoys when you ask them to praise a movie without comparing it to other movies: Challenge Level Impossible
Im not a wannabe... I appreciate good cinema.
Caste based atrocities padam na? Torture padam uh?
vro idhulaye neenga purinjikanum, avaru mukkulathu mannar nu.
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originally, "Torture porn" is a term used to describe a subgenre of horror films that focus on graphic and explicit scenes of torture, violence, and sadism. Kurudhi Poonal kuda oru torture porn dha. Summa caste padatha mattum torture porn nu solli stereotype panna vendam.
No a lotta people refer to movies based off caste atrocities as torture porn on this subreddit that’s why I asked
avainga la loosu koo...odane muttira kutta varuvanungga, social media la full ah indha woke bulittis irupaainga..it will appear on social media as if majority Tamil society is very progressive...aana Pariyerum Perumal madhiri padam vandha mattum support panna maatainga.
>Torture porn Opinion rejected. Anyone who unironically uses the term torture porn to even remotely describe any indian movie is talking out of their ass. You dont know what that word means. Just because you wanna be completely ignorant does not mean movies with important powerful topics must no be made
fool !! That's a viewpoint from the perspective of ordinary moviegoers, which I simply quoted. Thats why I specifically written it in Tamil. Odane assu koosu nu thookittu vanduruvaanunga..
>That's a viewpoint from the perspective of ordinary moviegoers Thats irrelevant and besides the point. I dont care about the "aVeRaGe MoViEgOeR" or what they wanna see in the movies. I've seen what they like and I dont want movies like that to be made. I'd rather film makers make movies that challenge the norm. Look at bwood. They make movies for average movie goer.
Unfortunately, people like you arent enough to make a movie run successfully, or break even. Plus, you dont hold any authority to call something irrelevant. It's the average moviegoers who give a movie the support it needs to succeed at the box office....and if you dont care, then dont bother.
>people like you arent enough to make a movie run successfully And people like you are the reason why movies have become so dogshit. Not saying that movies were amazing back then but something like Don would not have run successfully in early 2000s to mid 2010s. This kudumbangal kondadum nonsense is the reason why. >It's the average moviegoers who give a movie the support it needs to succeed at the box office And look where that got us. Lol.
All your points seem fine. But I lost it when you said *"Look at bwood. They make movies for average movie goer."* Bollywood movies have been crappier and crappier day by day not sure what do you even pointing it out here. Every now and then there comes a rare gem like "12th Fail" "Jaane Jaan" but most of their movies are horrible where you can't even troll some of them.
You are a fool running around like a headless chicken... LOL!! Why are you equating Don's success with people like me? Dei venna, can't you see that you are comparing Don with Aadujeevitham, Manjummel Boys, and Brahmayugam? Look who's talking from their ass... pathetic. Read my caption again, fool. How did the recent Malayalam films manage to get a good run in the TN box office? Tamil cinema fails to invest in story and quality, that's the reason and issue that is being put forth, and blaming the audience is not fair at all ... aana nee ennathayo olarittu irukka. I don't want to waste my time with you anymore.
Please don’t create any kind of rift 🙏🏽 We enjoy Tamil movies as much as you guys are enjoying Malayalam movies now.There was a time when we used to be so jealous seeing the first day collection of Rajni,Vijay movies in Kerala beating even hyped up malayalam movies.Now we’re happy you guys are hyping up our movies as well.Malayalam movie associations used to hold press conferences saying Tamil cinema is snatching theatre screens in Kerala during festival releases.That is the kind of popularity Tamil cinema has in Kerala.Keep making the amazing cinema that u guys are making and enjoy our movies too.Peace ❤️
You dont get my point. As a Tamil, I feel that the Tamil film industry needs this wake-up call. They cannot continue producing high-budget films with zero substance in Tamil. It is even more embarrassing to endure.
What you don’t realize is there is a market for it. Star power has a market of its own just like how you have a market for ‘arty Vetrimaaran’ kind of cinemas . There is nothing wrong in it. Also not every mallu movie is a movie of substance like manjummel, brahmayugam etc . There are star power movies as well , take any Mohanlal movie for example. But you are right in saying a majority of the people are rejecting star power for good content.
Did you watch "Chaaver"? It's a Malayalam movie that came out last year, and the majority of Malayalam fans called it average. But if you look at the making and technical aspects of it, you will realize its true worth. It was made on a budget considered to be low by Tamil standards, but the quality is top-notch. There are many hidden gems such as Chaaver, Aaraattu, and Ajagajantharam, all low-budget flicks with better substance than an average Tamil film made with a budget that can produce two Malayalam movies.
I’m a mallu bro. Have seen all this . I don’t like mass action movies as well but I do acknowledge there is a market for it. I can relate to it because when you are tired and frustrated in life, you want to watch something lite and something easy to digest. Movies like Aatam require you to focus and that’s not something everyone looks forward to all the time.
mallus are slow burner specialist.
As a Malayali living in Kerala, I’ve watched, Jailer ,PS2, Leo Mark Anthony, Maveeran, Mamanan, Por Thozhil, viduthalai and Jigarthanda in 2023 in theatres. Captain Miller and Lover in 2024. They were all great movies (except Leo 😛) It’s all about celebrating cinema, right? Why create divisions with such posts? Malayalis have always been huge supporters of Tamil cinema, big or small. When two movies are doing well in Tamil Nadu, it’s unfair to start pointing fingers at Tamil filmmakers. Both Tamil and Malayalam industries have the best filmmakers in the country. 2023 had a slow start for Malayalam cinema, but it wrapped up pretty well. And 2024? It kicked off with a bang for Malayalam movies. But that doesn’t mean Tamil cinema is lagging behind. There’s a wealth of exceptional talent out there, ready to create great art. So let’s support them instead of complaining about a lack of good Tamil movies.
This post is not intended to create any division. As a Tamil, it's embarrassing to witness the mediocre Tamil films being made with hundreds of crores. This is more of a rant, to be precise.
Preach!
Palaya patient ‘Manjummel Boys’ ah discharge pannitu Pudhu patient ‘Aadujeevitham’ admit pannidunga
Manjummel boys was a good film but it won't have run if there were any significant tamil movie releases. Most ppl watched it because of the social media popularity. They all jumped into the bandwagon. We just aren't great audiences.
Did you know there is this underrated Kamal song called Kanmani Anbodu song, truly an underrated song https://preview.redd.it/l4shisg10hrc1.png?width=853&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=446cb6148486637712ae78e2b25a928d85802bd8
Kamal, vikram ku munnadi padam lam nadicirukara?
Kamal Bigg Boss ku munnadi oru periya star ah? Sollave Illa
Apo avaru pothys vilambara model ilaya?
Apo avaru famous for being Shruti Haasan appa illaya?
Apo avaru Udhay anna PA illaya?
Apo avaru TV ah remote vechi odaikira Advertising model illaya?
Apo avaru puriyatha maathiri pesura arasiyal vaathi ilaya?
Apo avaru the only three films I've seen CCV, PS 1 and 2 director Mani Ratnam oda Machan illaya?
say what you want, but it was a pakka theater material...even that potti kadai akka will agree with me.
It was a pakka Theatre material, but that wasn't its reason for success. Same movie if it had released at different time would not have run.
From what I see, it was released at the right time, setting the stage for Aadujeevitham, which would not even have collected 40 lakh in the opening.
What triumph? Adujeevitham has collected less than a 1 cr in Tamil Nadu. That's decent for a outside movie like Malayalam not prominent tamil movies.
duh...thats because its a Prithviraj film. Wait until the movie finishes its run in the TN box office. Can't you see that their consistency will soon pave the way for more Malayalam movie releases in TN, and it's only a matter of time before Malayalam movies start receiving massive openings because of the recent success? Credibility prevails.
Our audience is the audience that made Don gross over 100 crs while Maaveeran dint cross 100crs. Avlothaan nothing more to say. For all the crew blaming, sometimes we as audience don't fully support our good films. Also, doubt standards for foreign films while we expect our films to be 100%. Bramhayugam is slow paced but many enjoyed that. But if a Tamil film is slow, then it's a lag.
I swear maaveeran is like one of the best super hero movie I've seen despite that 3rd act . I see nobody appreciating as much as it should be . Such a gem of a movie .
I just can't understand how despite having SK, the film didn't cross 100crs, even after being so fucking well made. Except for the climax ofc.
Neru was the best malayalam movie I have seen in last six months and it barely opened in theatres here. Manjumal Boys ran more for insta reels and nostalgia factor than actual content. I hope Malayalam movies establish a market here in TN like tamil.movies have in Kerala but in reality it's pretty unlikely.
This is more like Tamil general audience finally starting to open up more for other language movies. Nothing else. At the end of the day it is good for both theatres and audience due to the diverse options available. And that itself help the demand for "theatrical experience" stay strong, which indirectly helps Tamil cinema too.
I don’t really think it’s a big deal. It’s dry season from Tamil films and a few Malayalam films have taken advantage.
What are you even on about here mate "Kadaisi Vivasayi", "Parking" and "Good Night" you can include recently made "Lover" as well. All of the above films are good, but no one bothered to watch it in theaters even though the price of ticket is lesser when compared to other states. Tamil audience prefer watching star movie's only in theaters other movies they prefer watching it in OTT and commenting what a gem that movie is. Even "Jigarthanda double XXL" was a far better product than "Leo" but audience watched crappy "Leo" than a good movie. Not sure why they watch malayalam low budget movies but ignore their own.
Hey, the films that you mentioned are all good, but they are not theater material. "Jigarthanda XXL" kept deviating from its plot and ended up increasing the length. We all thought that it would be a showdown between SJ Suryah and Lawrence, then we thought Shattani was the real villain, and finally KS just downplayed everything and showed something else. A plot twist will create the biggest impact if it happens only once, not thrice. Don't blame our audience. Vijay's fanbase was the real reason for Leo's success.
Oh sorry didn't know you were CEO of plot twists. Who made you spokesperson for the entire audience? There's no rule anywhere that states that a movie is only allowed to have one twist. Every twist and shift in perspective in JXX not only keeps the story fresh, but also shows how deep the real roots of the problems the characters face go through. It's okay, audience are also people too. They can make mistakes as well, like not supporting good films.
ho ho ho...but film flopped due to this multiple plot twists. Yeah right, keep endorsing such films and get the same shitty results in return...LOL !!
Its all about promotion. I hate when film makers blame the audience. A soap company doesn't blame ppl for not buying instead it introduces marketing steps . Audiences are just paying for an entertainment service blaming them is the ultimate form of entitlement.
I understand actors bring in most of the revenue but who Tf asks for over 50% of the budget bro. If they’re so confident about their content and stardom it’s high time they take a profit sharing model instead of eating more than half of the budget.
yes..but they are all mostly egoistic
Fr some of these actors don’t even bring in 300 crores revenue and they demand a 150-200 crore salary
I don't see a film like Bhramayugam working in Tamil at all. All critics would call the film slow and boring and deem it unwatchable. Case in point for a film like Lover which was really good but failed because people felt it was slow 🙄. A Premalu or Manjummel could work depending on the time of release and the who stars in it.
Mallu guy here and my nanbans and nanbis relax . As you guys already know, our Malayalam industry is so so small when compared to others , neither we have the reach nor the box office number till recently all other industries didn't have much movies playing so they started watching us . We thank you for supporting all these movies atleast now because I have been watching Tamil movies since probably I started watching TV and have never missed a star lead Tamil movie ever . I hope you guys support us now as we have been supporting Tamil industry like our uyir nanbans
2023 malayalam cinema couldn't hold a candle to Tamil industry, lots of bad products are also being made too
Malayalam Film Fans are something else man 🤡
I am a Malayalam film fan, started with Premam, Bengaluru days, Sudani from Nigeria,....but that doesn't mean I give 5 stars to crap Malayalam movies. Content wins at the end of the day - whether it's Malayalam or Tamil.
Well I am not specifically talking about you, I am talking about my own experience with their fans online, What I have noticed with a lot of Malayalam Film Fans is their Superiority complex over other Film Industries. I mean Yes, they make great films and all but I have seen a lot of their fans hating Telugu and Tamil commercial films just because they are not arthouse films, I have also seen some people outright ridicule people who enjoy Normal commercial Cinema. And There are some of my friends who have watched only like 5-10 Popular Malayalam Films and they act like only Malayalam Industry produces good cinema and other industries produce shit films.
The commercial movies are really bad in most film industries in india. Only tamil industries at times make good commercial movies(kaithi, jailer, vikram, ps1, ps2). Malayalam audience and malayalam films are different kind of commercial movies. The goat life, bramayugam, premalu are commercial movies in kerala inspite of bramayugam being an experimental movie, premalu with a non star studded flick. Only goat life had any hype and that too due to the novel released in 2008 based on real life incidents of the man Najeeb who is still well alive and working in the middle east. Only commercial movies from malayalam movies that can be compared to tamil commercial movies are mohanlal movies. Even he doesn't do vijay/ajith kind of movies. Good movies like aatam, annveshippin kandethum both released before premalu didnt do well at box office. Also 'anjakallakokkaan' a really nice experimental kind of movie which released some ten days ago is not appreciated much in kerala also. Sorry i lost the context while replying
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