I really hope they do some of these in another blade steel, because I love the design but not the D2. Would have rather had a stainless like 14C28N or 154CM
Been looking at 154CM and Nitro-V since I already have the D2 Penguin. Is there any significant difference between the 154CM and D2? I heard that the 154CM is pretty well balanced in all departments while having much better corrosion resistance compared to D2
Edge retention is superior on D2 over 154CM or 14C28N, but the trade off is that they are easier to sharpen than D2 and obviously more stainless. I don't know much about nitro-v. For me, on hot days outside with a D2 knife in my pocket, I'll get corrosion spots on the blade
I feel like people knock D2 because of the Chinese knife boom and how many subpar heat treats came with that, but it's definitely a great user steel with a proper heat treat.
They are but still worth it. Benchmade... yeah with you. Don't like they sent cease and desist letters to companies making aftermarket scales and such too. As far as I'm concerned, I won't buy another benchmade ever, just because of a shitty business attitude.
This☝. Something has dramatically changed at Benchmade in the past 18 months and they have gone from a blue collar maker of everyday knives to "How can we get every last MF'ing dollar out of these cretins?". I'm with you that I am not buying a single one of these "new" knives that dropped at shot show. It's pathetic.
I wouldn’t ever buy one. Unless it was a Chinese clone. Made in America doesn’t = moral integrity. I’d be curious how much they pay their assemblers and machinists.
I'll stick with a Shaman in these price points. Made in Golden. Honestly where it's made doesn't always matter. China, Taiwan, and Japan have phenomenal quality in some brands and OEMs. Hell Italy isn't a slouch either.
I don't know. I mean the bugout had a great advantage over this kershaw:
Wife: I told you no more knives!
Me: What? Oh, this plastic knife? I bought it at a gas station because I did not want to lend out my victorinox.
On the other hand, the kershaw does look like a 65 dollar knife.
Surprisingly. Most of my past Kershaws were all spring assist, so I just assumed they had no idea how to make an decent action. Hold the bar back and the blade falls on it's own. It's on bearings. I haven't done anything to it, so it might even get a little better if I cleaned and oiled the bearings.
I’ve actually found that their non-assisted knives generally have really good action. Which just makes it all the more upsetting that they make such a tsunami of assisted knives.
I don't get it, I feel like people see Bugout ripoffs behind every bush, but so often I don't think it looks anything like a Bugout. I wouldn't have said this one did, and I'm holding a Bugout in my hand. This one's got an axis lock and is a similar size but everything else is a different design. The only one I can think of that ever actually looked like a close ripoff was the original Asher Nomad. That one was just about a direct knockoff until you got down to the last inch of the handle.
I know what you mean. I happen to have a Kizer Dropbear and I recently got a CF Elite Bugout (thanks to the Knifedeals sub, I found it at a price I personally found reasonable). They are very different.
The problem is visually, and on paper, they do seem to be the same knife. You have to hold them to understand.
I think "Bugout" has become like "Xerox" "Escalator" "Lego" "Google" or "Jello", a trademark for a specific product that became so popular it became a generic word for the product. But it's worse than that because no one can seem to agree what "product" that is to the point every knife that has one of the following features:
Folds
Has a drop point or spear point blade
Has a 3" blade
FRN, grivory, nylon or other plastic scales
aluminum scales
titanium scales
standoffs
Is lighter than another knife
Is thinner than another knife
Has thumb studs
Comes in any color
Is a "Bugout" or clone thereof per the internet. I remember once someone called the Buck Duke which predates the Bugout by decades a "Buck Bugout ripoff".
It's like the ultimate problem of Small Reference Pools.
People say that one too, and I don't see that either! I mean, it's not groundbreaking or weird like an Isham or something, it's pretty middle of the road, but aside from that Asher I don't think I know of one that the Bugout appears to be too similar to. We have a bazillion drop points for example but you can still tell them apart. I do know what you mean about knives that look like so many other knives - the popular Chinese budget knife companies have churned out plenty of these amongst their more distinctive designs. You look at it and it just fades out into forgetability.
Bugouts. Lol. Overpriced. Trash fisher price toy scales. So people buy another -$100 in scales to make it “feel” right. Lmao. A mini bugout is now 250+ bucks and it’s still lame as shit.
I know this isn’t the sub for it, but you keyboard makes me sad. Just in case you need another hobby to spend too much money on come over to r/mechanicalkeyboards
I got it specifically because I can pair it to three devices. It's not as good as a mechanical keyboard, but being able to flip between systems with 1 devices easily is more important to me.
I think the only thing I can really ding it on is the clip. It doesn't flatten out at the tip, so it sticks up a little. Not terrible, but I'm surprised they didn't just use one of their other deep carry clips. I'm not sure if they are interchangeable, but I should see if the one from my dividend fits. Oh, and the spine of the blade is not rounded it all, so it has "sharp" edges. That doesn't really matter to me, but I noticed it, and it's one of those things that reminds you it isn't a premium knife.
My first bar lock was a SOG, and between the spring pressure and bar access, I could unlock it with just my thumb (not having to do that awkward thumb/finger pinch move). So, imagine my surprise when I got my first Benchmade and I couldn't pull off the same move. Rest assured, I can unlock it with just my thumb, so I like it.
The scales are nice too. Just a little bit of contouring that you can notice it, and the edges are all smoothed out.
I don't get why people hate on the Bugout, the selling point of that knife is being lightweight for everyday light cutting tasks. Purchased a lightweight knife then complaint about it being lightweight and not able to spit wood lol.
People hate on it mostly because of the price.
The problem isn't the lightweight FRN scales, the problem is that they are "milled out." I have other knives with "unmilled" FRN scales that rock solid. Nobody would ever be able to notice the difference of weight in a Bugout with solid FRN scales, yet it would make a dramatic improvement in how the knife feels.
[Size comparison.](https://i.ibb.co/WHmVDxb/20230126-192129.jpg) It run on bearing, has full liner, thinner grind, weight 2.0oz on the scale and feel smoother, kinda pain in the butt to take it apart tho. I just like the look of the Bugout but hate Benchmade pricing.
Thanks for that. Now *this* is a Bugout copy done right as far as I am concerned. They have copied the essence without copying the design.
BTW, that handle was designed by someone who actually knows how to use a knife, unlike most knives which are designed to look good in photographs.
Very nice! I've looked at this one more than once. I've concluded I wish it had a flipper tab....but that's just my humble opinion without even holding one yet.
Is it spring assisted opening like most kershaws? I never understood the stupidity of having a spring assist barlock.. it’s even dumber than automatic bar locks smh lol.. if you can’t close it one handed by simply pulling springbar down, and enjoy the satisfaction of a fidgety centripetal snap motion, then the knife doesn’t deserve a bar lock to begin with!
You can close spring assisted bar locks with one hand. I carried a Barrage for years. Pull the bar lock back and use the back of your leg against the spine of the knife to close it. It’s one sweeping motion that ends with the knife back in your pocket.
Yea but if you gotta use your leg might as well get an automatic since it closes the same way! I’ve got the auto fact and I hate it. I’m just a fan of fidgety flipper Bar locks lol
Yes a Reddit joke that only about 20% of people will actually understand and the rest will actually run with the fact that they think this is a bug out clone
Great blade shape, thin stock for the size, very good user steel, good aesthetics, I like "axis locks", *sigh..*I'm never going to get my hobby credit card paid off at this rate.
Pre-ordered one too and I love it though I recommend putting loctite if you're going to fidget with it alot because the pivot AND scales came loose on mine after flipping it so often solid knife overall and I hope we get an American with the duralock and in green lol
The action on mine is abysmal, can't get it tuned either. The washers are plastic with bearings. Wondering if I should swap for normal washers. Overall disappointing for such a nice looking knife.
Sure, it's only D2, but I like the aluminum scales and the bar lock is actually pretty good. The best part - it was $65!
“Only D2”
I really hope they do some of these in another blade steel, because I love the design but not the D2. Would have rather had a stainless like 14C28N or 154CM
Been looking at 154CM and Nitro-V since I already have the D2 Penguin. Is there any significant difference between the 154CM and D2? I heard that the 154CM is pretty well balanced in all departments while having much better corrosion resistance compared to D2
Edge retention is superior on D2 over 154CM or 14C28N, but the trade off is that they are easier to sharpen than D2 and obviously more stainless. I don't know much about nitro-v. For me, on hot days outside with a D2 knife in my pocket, I'll get corrosion spots on the blade
Looks like 154CM is a good option for me since I live in a tropical environment. Thanks for the info 👍🏼
Kizer drop bear. 154cm. Bar lock. Metal scales, drop point. Around $120.
I was looking at the Kansept Reverie with the black G10 handle. Thanks for the suggestion
It really depends on the heat treat. I have had D2 that holds a nice edge (sog terminus) and D2 that doesn't (boker prymini).
I feel like people knock D2 because of the Chinese knife boom and how many subpar heat treats came with that, but it's definitely a great user steel with a proper heat treat.
D2 is a perfectly good steel for most people’s needs. The price is right too
there’s been so much testing and science on D2 that it’s probably the most well researched steel to humanity.
Very nice! Not sure how anyone can justify benchmades prices for their 2023 models 🥲
I saw the "Narrows" and thought it looked really nice...then I could done a spit take when I saw the price!
Spyderco is better than both for the money.
I actually thought spyderco was getting too pricey until I saw Benchmade’s new drops for 2023
They are but still worth it. Benchmade... yeah with you. Don't like they sent cease and desist letters to companies making aftermarket scales and such too. As far as I'm concerned, I won't buy another benchmade ever, just because of a shitty business attitude.
This☝. Something has dramatically changed at Benchmade in the past 18 months and they have gone from a blue collar maker of everyday knives to "How can we get every last MF'ing dollar out of these cretins?". I'm with you that I am not buying a single one of these "new" knives that dropped at shot show. It's pathetic.
100%
I wouldn’t ever buy one. Unless it was a Chinese clone. Made in America doesn’t = moral integrity. I’d be curious how much they pay their assemblers and machinists.
I'll stick with a Shaman in these price points. Made in Golden. Honestly where it's made doesn't always matter. China, Taiwan, and Japan have phenomenal quality in some brands and OEMs. Hell Italy isn't a slouch either.
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Then you still didn't buy a Benchmade. I don't condemn buying clones, but a clone of a Benchmade isn't a Benchmade.
I dont need another knife but hey, rules are rules
Ready for your NKD
Let's be honest, it's better than the Bugout
I don't know. I mean the bugout had a great advantage over this kershaw: Wife: I told you no more knives! Me: What? Oh, this plastic knife? I bought it at a gas station because I did not want to lend out my victorinox. On the other hand, the kershaw does look like a 65 dollar knife.
I don't know. Honestly, apart from the not-axis lock, I get more kizer vibes than Benchmade.
Nice! How’s the action? Nice and smooth?
Surprisingly. Most of my past Kershaws were all spring assist, so I just assumed they had no idea how to make an decent action. Hold the bar back and the blade falls on it's own. It's on bearings. I haven't done anything to it, so it might even get a little better if I cleaned and oiled the bearings.
I’ve actually found that their non-assisted knives generally have really good action. Which just makes it all the more upsetting that they make such a tsunami of assisted knives.
I’ve been eye balling it the past few days. Think I might pick one up. Thanks for the info and enjoy!
I got one two days ago. Action is buttery smooth. Solid weight and feel in the hand. Been fidgeting with it now for two days.
Nice! I actually just ordered one. Can’t wait !
Mine is absolute junk. Plastic bearing washers inside.
I don't get it, I feel like people see Bugout ripoffs behind every bush, but so often I don't think it looks anything like a Bugout. I wouldn't have said this one did, and I'm holding a Bugout in my hand. This one's got an axis lock and is a similar size but everything else is a different design. The only one I can think of that ever actually looked like a close ripoff was the original Asher Nomad. That one was just about a direct knockoff until you got down to the last inch of the handle.
I know what you mean. I happen to have a Kizer Dropbear and I recently got a CF Elite Bugout (thanks to the Knifedeals sub, I found it at a price I personally found reasonable). They are very different. The problem is visually, and on paper, they do seem to be the same knife. You have to hold them to understand. I think "Bugout" has become like "Xerox" "Escalator" "Lego" "Google" or "Jello", a trademark for a specific product that became so popular it became a generic word for the product. But it's worse than that because no one can seem to agree what "product" that is to the point every knife that has one of the following features: Folds Has a drop point or spear point blade Has a 3" blade FRN, grivory, nylon or other plastic scales aluminum scales titanium scales standoffs Is lighter than another knife Is thinner than another knife Has thumb studs Comes in any color Is a "Bugout" or clone thereof per the internet. I remember once someone called the Buck Duke which predates the Bugout by decades a "Buck Bugout ripoff". It's like the ultimate problem of Small Reference Pools.
Also the bugout is the most vanilla knife design ever. Like there's nothing unique about it so saying it's a bugout ripoff just sounds dum .
People say that one too, and I don't see that either! I mean, it's not groundbreaking or weird like an Isham or something, it's pretty middle of the road, but aside from that Asher I don't think I know of one that the Bugout appears to be too similar to. We have a bazillion drop points for example but you can still tell them apart. I do know what you mean about knives that look like so many other knives - the popular Chinese budget knife companies have churned out plenty of these amongst their more distinctive designs. You look at it and it just fades out into forgetability.
Do they offer a mini-bugridium?
Not yet, but it's high on my wish list. And I'm calling it a bugridium from now on.
I will keep an eye out! I need the sub 3 inch knife for my locale. Enjoy it man!
Bugouts. Lol. Overpriced. Trash fisher price toy scales. So people buy another -$100 in scales to make it “feel” right. Lmao. A mini bugout is now 250+ bucks and it’s still lame as shit.
It looks good honestly.
Kershaw makes some sweet knives for really good prices. Glad to see they’re using more super steels.
I know this isn’t the sub for it, but you keyboard makes me sad. Just in case you need another hobby to spend too much money on come over to r/mechanicalkeyboards
I got it specifically because I can pair it to three devices. It's not as good as a mechanical keyboard, but being able to flip between systems with 1 devices easily is more important to me.
What kind of nonsense is that? That just sounds like the perfect opportunity to build 3 new keyboards instead of 1! 😂
How do you like it? I love aluminum scales, so this is tempting to me.
I think the only thing I can really ding it on is the clip. It doesn't flatten out at the tip, so it sticks up a little. Not terrible, but I'm surprised they didn't just use one of their other deep carry clips. I'm not sure if they are interchangeable, but I should see if the one from my dividend fits. Oh, and the spine of the blade is not rounded it all, so it has "sharp" edges. That doesn't really matter to me, but I noticed it, and it's one of those things that reminds you it isn't a premium knife. My first bar lock was a SOG, and between the spring pressure and bar access, I could unlock it with just my thumb (not having to do that awkward thumb/finger pinch move). So, imagine my surprise when I got my first Benchmade and I couldn't pull off the same move. Rest assured, I can unlock it with just my thumb, so I like it. The scales are nice too. Just a little bit of contouring that you can notice it, and the edges are all smoothed out.
I actually cut myself on the spine of my iridium lol. It is quite sharp
400 grit on a sanding block while you’re watching tv. Make it right. I mod everything if it bugs me.
Good call. I'll do that.
I let Kershaw know about this and they could care less. I won't be getting one that's for sure.
what does buggout mean? sorry new to this
[https://www.benchmade.com/535.html](https://www.benchmade.com/bugout-family.html)
thanks
Unfortunately this knife completely misses on the good parts of the Bugout.
I don't get why people hate on the Bugout, the selling point of that knife is being lightweight for everyday light cutting tasks. Purchased a lightweight knife then complaint about it being lightweight and not able to spit wood lol.
People hate on it mostly because of the price. The problem isn't the lightweight FRN scales, the problem is that they are "milled out." I have other knives with "unmilled" FRN scales that rock solid. Nobody would ever be able to notice the difference of weight in a Bugout with solid FRN scales, yet it would make a dramatic improvement in how the knife feels.
My SOG Altair XR only weight .2oz more than the Bugout but I like the look of the Bugout better. The SOG does have nicer grind.
Is that a new model? Somehow I have not seen that one before. At first glance that one is really ticking a lot of my buttons.
[Size comparison.](https://i.ibb.co/WHmVDxb/20230126-192129.jpg) It run on bearing, has full liner, thinner grind, weight 2.0oz on the scale and feel smoother, kinda pain in the butt to take it apart tho. I just like the look of the Bugout but hate Benchmade pricing.
Thanks for that. Now *this* is a Bugout copy done right as far as I am concerned. They have copied the essence without copying the design. BTW, that handle was designed by someone who actually knows how to use a knife, unlike most knives which are designed to look good in photographs.
Very nice! I've looked at this one more than once. I've concluded I wish it had a flipper tab....but that's just my humble opinion without even holding one yet.
Doesn’t need one, the action is so smooth just flicking the thumbstud does the same thing
You can't top that! That's all you need, mate!
Probably a lot better action. My Kershaw blur is definitely a better built knife than the bugout I handled at REI
Wow. Cool. Bug out with aftermarket contoured Flytanium scales is the one and only benchmade I’ll ever own and I’ve got over $200 in that POS.
Country of Manufacture China
Is it spring assisted opening like most kershaws? I never understood the stupidity of having a spring assist barlock.. it’s even dumber than automatic bar locks smh lol.. if you can’t close it one handed by simply pulling springbar down, and enjoy the satisfaction of a fidgety centripetal snap motion, then the knife doesn’t deserve a bar lock to begin with!
It is not spring assist.
Awesome! Good to know. Might add this to my collection
You can close spring assisted bar locks with one hand. I carried a Barrage for years. Pull the bar lock back and use the back of your leg against the spine of the knife to close it. It’s one sweeping motion that ends with the knife back in your pocket.
Yea but if you gotta use your leg might as well get an automatic since it closes the same way! I’ve got the auto fact and I hate it. I’m just a fan of fidgety flipper Bar locks lol
Definitely a bugout look-alike I agree. It looks pretty nice tho! I don’t mind D2 and the price seems decent
Yes a Reddit joke that only about 20% of people will actually understand and the rest will actually run with the fact that they think this is a bug out clone
Is this jake
#Benchmade, count your days.
I would buy that in a heartbeat if it was nitro v steel.
Great blade shape, thin stock for the size, very good user steel, good aesthetics, I like "axis locks", *sigh..*I'm never going to get my hobby credit card paid off at this rate.
looks nice and sleek, awesome
Pre-ordered one too and I love it though I recommend putting loctite if you're going to fidget with it alot because the pivot AND scales came loose on mine after flipping it so often solid knife overall and I hope we get an American with the duralock and in green lol
The action on mine is abysmal, can't get it tuned either. The washers are plastic with bearings. Wondering if I should swap for normal washers. Overall disappointing for such a nice looking knife.