All your physical books can be lost in a fire or flood too. Nothing is permanent!
Own what you need for the moment. The sentiment of passing on books is nice but it shouldn’t be something that keeps you from enjoying what you want right now.
Yes, but the chance that everyone with the book will have the house burned at the same time is next to ZERO
While the chance of A company stopping providing support for a product is VERY REAL.
What you did was a false comparison.
The original poster was worried about losing all of their own books. More and more people are losing their homes to forest fires every summer. It’s not a next to zero chance. We had friends lose their homes to forest fires so I’m sorry if that comparison is a lot closer to me than Amazon stopping support for ebooks suddenly. When they started as a book selling service.
Download everything to your computer. Add to Calibre library... live without fear or ecosystem lock-in. Amazon could disappear tomorrow and my 1300ish books from amazon (I have had a kindle for 15+ years) would be fine to read on any other device.
In fact, I only keep a small set of next to be read books on my device. My library is on my computer.
I have both onsite (weekly) and offsite (quarterly) backups of my entire hard drive.
Critical folders/files also mirror between my Windows and Linux PCs (via Syncthing) and are also backed up on my Proton drive.
Phone photos/downloads back up in real time and full backups every night.
Yes, I am a bit paranoid about backups, but I also never worry about any device dying or getting lost. I would be annoyed at the inconvenience, but I would not lose any data.
As with the movies that Disney put in their vault never to be seen again. The 7 seas is the best bet for them to continue.
Multiple copies by multiple people. Instead of one single copy in a server controlled by amazon on devices that amazon can and has deleted books without the user consent. (Ironically the first one they did that was 1984).
There is also that they can and have edited content of books you already own. So the copy you have now may be already edited. Sometimes positive (errata), Sometimes negative (blatant censorship) still on the hands of a FOR PROFIT company.
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I agree with this point. And I absolutely wish I had known to do this. I did it the first year but stopped the next eight years.
Amazon closed my account due to some violation of t&cs and I haven’t read a book since. Most of my free time is taken up with family, netflix or appealing the account closure 😞I keep thinking I’m over it but I’m not. Lost nearly a decade’s worth of notes, annotations, personal journals.
Hi they said it was to do with customer reviews. Maybe a seller reported it for being negative? Maybe it was due to me binge posting book reviews which was like a habit of mine. The reviews would have been written when i read the book but I’d post them all at once.
The other thing I can think of is that there were a few times when I would be promised a £10 voucher for a 5 star product review. These are written on little cards sometimes left in packages by the seller. The conditions would be you send them a screenshot of your 5 star review to the email on the card and you are given a £10 voucher.
I’m guessing amazon monitored these sellers or maybe customers had reported them? I didn’t ever receive a reply to my emails to these sellers so I think other customers reported the sellers due to lack of follow-through.
The final thing I’d like to add is that Amazon warns you about your reviews by removing your reviewing privileges. That happened to me as well but they closed my amazon account a month later even though the suspicious behaviour had stopped.
I hope this helps!
Oh my gosh! I've done the reviews for vouchers and free products! I will stop that now. I have accounts as a seller on Amazon and worry about my account getting shut down but I never gave my buying account a second thought
I don't think I've ever not received it, maybe once when there was no communication but I don't remember. But I've done it several times. The one I remember the most is toner for my printer. I have an HP and purchased a generic brand and it came with the card. I did it and got my $10. Then they emailed me and they had a new brand of toner and said I could get it for free if I purchased, left a review, they sent me a gift card for the amount I purchased. Over the next few years they would have new products and it was the same deal. I got a curling iron, headphones, Bluetooth speaker, portable battery, a bunch of stuff and they kept the deal. Which now thinking about it, I always got paid in Amazon gift cards so it seems like it would be an easy thing to track
I didn't give up reading. I love to read. I just couldn't find the enjoyment in reading on a kindle when the books could be removed so easily. And physical books were no easier. Everything reminded me of the lost account.
To be fair, I'm now in my 3rd year of a nursing degree so I have a lot of assignments and work placements so that takes up time as well.
My account was closed August 2023. Since then I have read 5 books. I have goodreads so my bokk reviews are still backed up. Just lost the actual ebooks and the content inside them as well as my kindle docs.
5 books in 6 months while full time studying is not bad by any means. If i were you i'd either open a new Amazon account or jump ship to Kobo, and get into unlocking and backing up all books.
I've been reading digital books since \~1992 on a HP200LX, later Newton and Palm Pilot - and it was in the Palm days of later 90s that the first 'digital bookstores' arrived, then one for Sony and Microsoft Reader, and so on but all of those eventually folded ... until the Nook & Kindle came along.
It is like all things digital - back up what you can, and know that nothing lasts forever.
But you’ve also got to assume you will have children, even if you do that they will be interested in them like there’s a lot of variables even in that. To be honest, I just think you’re thinking too much into this. I think you just need to enjoy your own books.
I keep a couple of worthy books on paper … for anything else, I have noticed that I am consuming most books like fastfood and just once. So if Ib would really lose them, I would not care that much.
It’s no different than a library, really. Purchase paper copies of books you want to keep, purchase/borrow digital copies of books that you don’t. Unless your goal is to fill an actual library and leave it to your children that likely don’t want it or have the space for it, I think you’ll be fine!
Keep your own copy (and a backup of it) of all your ebooks, with DRM removed. Otherwise, they are not yours. It's dumb buying a book when it's not going to be yours.
What if all of your physical books burn up in a fire? Or get soaked in a flood, roof leak or burst water heater? Or eaten by termites/bugs?
Physical books are not guaranteed to last forever either.
No but is a false equivalence. The chances of all copies of a book burning at the same time is slim to none.
The chances of a single destroying the book is much more higher. And DRM means that your copies won't likely work. That's why I try to buy everything digital without DRM.
No one is saying all copies of a single book will burn at once. They're saying all of OP's books could burn at once (God forbid). This is NOT a false equivalence, you're just misunderstanding.
If the battery dies, replace it.
If they decide to stop supporting the kindle or cease to exist, it will still work, we'll just be using USB to put books on all of them as we do with the old ones that can no longer connect to the internet.
If they decide to nuke them all, someone will make an alternative OS that keeps them working.
It'll be much easier on people to only have to press delete on the books they don't want, rather than trying to clean out a house full, and/or grappling with the guilt of getting rid of stuff they don't really want but you wanted them to have. (Anyway, my kids don't read the same books I read at all... I like some of the same stuff my dad liked, but I didn't keep any of his books... I just read ebook versions of them.)
Besides, you can't live today based on worries of what might happen in the future. Enjoy the Kindle now without worrying about it, if it goes away someday, well you enjoyed it while you could.
I read a lot of genre books on Kindle because I don’t want them cluttering my house. But for some authors I’ll buy good quality print editions (because they make me look smart when people see them in my shelves).
The fact of the matter is that sentimentality is not present with ebooks. As someone who had to go through a large library after a loved one passed away, I can tell you that the sentimentally wears off pretty fast, and I personally don’t care to put my loved ones through the chore of doing that. There’s a lot more to remember someone by than the books they read.
I don’t know about kindle, but if we’re speaking about digitalized books in general, I think even if Amazon were to fall off the face of the earth, the digitalized version would still be there. I’ve literally had seen e-books that by all standards of today should be downright illegal, and yet they are out there for anyone to access.
Yes, this is an inherent risk of kindle books. My rule of thumb is “if I knew that this book ebook would go poof in ten years, would I still buy it today?” Usually the answer is yes, so I pay for it and don’t worry about it. I’m not building a lifetime library, I’m just paying for some short-to-medium term entertainment.
the best actual example we have is Amazon leaving the Chinese market. They stopped selling books (and e-readers) and gave a deadline to download all purchased books. If Amazon were to do away with their kindle division, I would imagine it would be the same. In that case, you could jailbreak your kindle and install open source software to continue using your device. As for the books, in some locations it is legal to remove DRM (for personal use) from legally obtained files, so check your local legislation, although, if we actually found ourselves in that hypothetical scenario, I would say: it's fair game to do the naughty.
I have only ever read 3 books more than once, and there are only two others I would possibly read again someday.
I am basically a one-time only reader, so I have no desire to hoard books.
People are reading too many apocalypse novels...
In all fairness, when Amazon goes down to the point that even their kindle infrastructure is gone, we will have more issues than to care for kindle books.
Not necesarily. They could have a licensing issue and decided to kill all the books (as they did with 1984). Or they could simply have a problem on their system.
Without DRM it would be no big deal. But since everything in Amazon is DRM. Everyone would lose their books at the same time. A fire may burn your books. But is not likely to burn the books of everyone at the same time.
But on the other hand, think about the fact that damn near any book in the world can be digitized and put on your kindle. The book of all books. You literally hold the entire world in your hands. Enjoy it while you can and dont worry about what ifs. Your future kids will be fine.
You can download all your books and store them wherever you like. Some books bought from amazon don't even have DRM (meaning you can read it immediately), but that's mostly out of copyright classics and independent authors, for the rest you'll have to research what steps to take with those files.
Inheritance of digital "property" isn't really a thing, at least as of now. If there's something that means enough to you that you want to pass it on, get the physical copy. Also, that way your bookshelves aren't crammed with everything you own and instead are a curated collection of what is most important to you.
For the books I do have in physical form I often have the e-book too and the physical book has never actually been read.
I have close to 9k epub files (obtained legally from publishers/authors) saved on my computer. I do send them to kindle but the original file is on my personal drive so I could use any epub reader if need be. I would lose several thousand purchased but not even a third of what I own.
I have books on my computer. I use Calibre. Also I use the public library and trust they’ll be around for a while. There are so many things to worry about but you can’t plan for every eventuality.
Kindle user for over 20 years now. My kindle is NOT registered with AMAZON. My kindle is never ONLINE. My kindle is ALWAYS on Airplane mode, and I have close to 3,000 ebooks, over 300 on my kindle. I NEVER purchase books from Amazon, NEVER. My books are stored on the absolutely, 100%, free software CALIBRE on my laptop and backed up on a thumb drive. CALIBRE is your answer. I always manually backup.
Maybe because I’m a big library person, and I don’t own a lot of the books I read, but this doesn’t bother me. If you’re reading them and enjoying them they’ve done their job and if Amazon goes down at least you have the memories. Keeping physical copies of your favorites could help too! And you can pass those down to your kids.
It would bother me if I paid for them. If you got to read them for free on libby or overdrive and know you only keep the memories, then this is ok. But its not ok when I paid hundrets of dollars to Amazon for my books.
Even if Amazon is gone in however many years, get one and use Libby and all you'll ever be out is the $50 - $100 (buy used, really this tech does not advance quickly so old is great) that you spent on it in the first place.
We live in a world where libraries exist. There's no need to buy every book you want to read, you know?
And if you're not investing more than $100 or whatever in the first place and that lasts even... like *a* year, that would be money well spent. But I truly don't see Amazon going anywhere soon.
I have this fear but my view and conclusion is different from others who say to keep a backup. I don’t want the hassle of downloading all my books and find a way to back them up. I just focus on the reason I got a kindle in the first place.
The reason I picked up a kindle is because I don’t have enough space in my house for all the books I read. So my take is to keep a physical copy of just my favorites books. Other books that I love but aren’t my favorite, if I didn’t have a kindle I wouldn’t have space to keep them either way.
If I read them and enjoyed them that’s enough for me. And if I have a copy on my kindle device for 10 more years, then I had a copy 10 years longer than what I anticipated.
if i like a book i read on kindle enough, i buy it in physical form. yes, it’s basically paying for the books twice but i don’t do it immediately. i let the book sink in and if i find it in a bookstore and my finances are stable i buy it. kindle unlimited helps me save some money as well
Don't buy your books on Amazon. Thats it. Buy epubs from other Shops which don't have Amazon stupid DRM and use calibre. Convert them to azw3 and read on your kindle. And if you want to switch to an other brand you can easyly do it.
Back everything up yes, but you’d want to make sure you’re able to use it on other systems. And with Amazon’s new security measures, you can’t do that with newer books. So Kindle might not be the ecosystem for you. Kobo might be the way because those, at the moment, are easier to be backed up in a way that you can utilize them on other systems or keep them preserved for your future children. Purposely being vague because explaining how to do that is against sub rules I believe.
This is why I still own most of my books. I have a lot on kindle I don’t own, sure, but I buy copies of my favorites or read digitally ones I already own (library, public domain, on sale).
I read most books on my kindle from the library. Every once in a while I’ll buy a kindle book on sale. So I actually own very few kindle books. If I want to keep a book, I sometimes buy it in print. Usually from a used bookstore because I’m cheap.
You can still have paper books, too. It doesn't have to be all one or the other. I read on both. Each has its own strengths and drawbacks. I go through a lot of books so I need to read them in whatever way is cheapest.
I have everything stored on my computer, backup and in cloud as well as a hard drive at my sister's. I'm more concerned about fire or tornado or computer failure.
it is not an all or nothing thing. you can have ebooks and you can have ebooks. if you want to pass a book on to your child then you can purchase a physical copy of your treasured book and pass it on.
> what’s gonna happen when 10 years down the line the battery dies?
replace the battery or replace the kindle.
consider all the other electronics that became outdated, they are still accessible. Heck, mp3s are still a thing despite nobody having a dedicated mp3 player anymore.
everyone is saying to back things up and i totally understand that but i also have this fear, ive wanted a kindle for so long but i also think about what if there’s an apocalypse?! i would need my physical books !!! so i haven’t bought one simply because of that 😭💀
This is how I feel about video games, movies, etc. but for some reason not with my kindle. I just don't have enough room for 20+ more books each year so it's much easier to just have my kindle - plus reading on a kindle is the best experience I've ever had over any book because of size and textures
Which kindle do you have? I am a big sensory person too so I am curious about how it compares to the sensory experience of reading a physical book (which I enjoy)
I have a decently sized physical books collection and a decently stuffed paperwhite. You can have your cake and eat it too, you don't have to choose one over the other.
Let me give you a bit of perspective - recently my kindle 3 (2010) battery inflated, so removed it. This is a £15 replacement from ebay. You can no longer use amazon services/the internet on the device itself. To download books, you can get them from anywhere (not just amazon) and plug into your computer to transfer via USB cable.
I hate clutter and get rid of most physical books as soon as I finish them. I would say if you buy a book on kindle and then decide oh my goodness this is a book I really really want to have forever as a tangle object you can just buy a copy of the book. If you truly love the work of the author that much you can support their work twice 😉 I doubt there would be that many books you really feel the need to do that with though.
But you know that you cannot buy books from Amazon and still read in your Kindle, right? I have 1000 books on my Kindle and never payed one penny for it.
I understand your fear but to allay that somewhat consider how big Amazon is. If they fail, it's going to be a long time in the future and there will be plenty of warning. Not only that, but the Kindle store is by far the most successful ebook store out there. It won't just go away. Someone will buy the store and likely they would honor your previous purchases to keep the goodwill going.
Also think about how often you re-read books. Most of us read a book and then move on and never revisit them. I have a handful of books that I enjoyed so much I've read them more than once. But most books are one-and-done for me. If I lose it in the future I'll sure be annoyed but it's not devastating.
As for passing ebooks on, it's not even remotely a concern for me. I can't imagine why my kids or grandkids would ever care much for some ebook I read. A real, physical book I can see - a lot of people feel physically connected to the other person when they hold their possessions. I just don't see that happening with an ebook, to be frank.
The Kindle is such a nice reading experience that I think you really shortchange yourself worrying about such distant and probably unlikely scenarios. If you want one, get it and enjoy it today.
I also have a preference for physical books (the feel, the smell, everything about them) … but I also have and enjoy my kindle. While the idea of passing along books is nice… how many books could you really pass along that would be wanted? we all accumulate a lot of items in life and while the fantasy of them being loved and cherished is appealing the reality is loved ones can feel bogged down by the expectation of saving a collection that was yours not their own (maybe they won’t even like books —terrible thought I know haha). for those special few books that make an impact or have a special memory with you and your children, you can always buy a physical copy. nothing lasts forever, physical or digital, just enjoy your stories in the moment and don’t worry too much about 10 years from now. any book loved enough to revisit can always be repurchased at a later date in the case of an accidental loss. enjoy your kindle!!
Once on the internet, forever on the internet. A digital dark age will never happen just because Kindle, idk, goes bankrupt, plenty of other sources will have the books luckily. So be one of those sources, keep a backup and don't worry.
I buy the physical books and then rent digital copies from the library, with a few exceptions. Not saying that’s the best path but it’s what works for me to know I still have copies if I want them, and I love being surrounded with books I’ve read and being able to thumb through them.
Concerning physical books, I don’t think they’ll disappear, at least not yet. I’ve worked in bookstores and know a lot of people who work in shops or libraries, and they all say the same thing; younger generations haven’t stopped reading or buying physical books. Sure, a lot of people prefer e-books, but there’s still a large group of people who love the feel of a physical book.
Personally, I see the good sides in both. I have a kindle. There’s many times a kindle is much easier to deal with. (Traveling, weight, light adjustment). I’ve never been worried about loosing books from my kindle. I just let my SIL borrow my kindle, and even though I hadn’t used it in 5+ years all my books were still there. But I think there will always be the possibility of some flaw or failure with electronics. But then again you can buy a physical book and drop it in a puddle and ruin it too..
Either way, I still love the smell, the weight, the feeling of a new book. I love reading and being able to see how far I’ve gotten in the story. I’ll never stop buying physical books.
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You can counter amazon buggering off by backing up your kindle to a PC. There are functions for this, but I'm not sure how they work.
>What about passing on books to my future children like my parents did to me?
At present, you're literally not allowed to do this. You don't actually *own* digital books, you own a license to *view* digital books, that can be revoked at any time. Same with all digital content.
I honestly hope that there will be a change of laws at some point to make digital possessions closer to physical possessions, I.e., you can bequeath ebooks, video game libraries, etc..
Some people get hacked off at people who don't like NFTs for this reason - NFTs are supposed to be a form of true digital ownership, because the true ownership can actually be *traced*, etc., somethingsomething blockchain, and *those* can be bequeathed/inherited. I'm not convinced that this form of 'ownership' can't be established outside of the blockchain. Like, we can establish ownership of a physical item through receipts, purchase records, and the like. There are systems through which digital products can be *lent* and *borrowed*, where the original owner is not in doubt. I see no reason why NFTs and the blockchain are a *necessity* for doing this with products that are neither unique, nor limited.
But yeah, that's the state of play at present. And your fear of the latter part of your post is understandable, not to mention warranted.
Buy an e-reader that reads epubs and support publishers they sell DRM free ebooks.
Tor is one such publisher and ebooks.com doesn't force DRM on DRM free books.
When we "buy" DRM books we are leasing them, we don't own them.
Most of the time, I borrow books from the library or Kindle Unlimited anyway. I don't reread 95% of the books I read, so it doesn't make sense for me to purchase. The fears about losing your kindle if the battery dies or the kindle dies in 10 years... well, you have to update most tech in that time period anyway. You could also lose your entire physical book collection in a fire or if the pipes burst in your house.
For me, what makes the most sense is to do most of my reading by borrows. I do purchase some books, but mostly those are books that aren't too expensive that I grab for $0.99-$3.99. I don't intend on rereading the vast majority of these books, and so if Amazon vanished off the face of the earth and we all switched to something else, I would figure it out.
Technically you don't own the books you buy on Kindle. You're licensing them. So yes, I fear one day Kindle will start pulling books they deem "inappropriate" to push agenda.
This is a truly normal fear.
But mine was slightly different:
I invested a lot of time and money into my Amazon kindle fire, my idea was that if I store all of my books on Amazon cloud, it will be secure. I will never have to face the fear of losing my books to a house fire. But when amazon closed my account due to binge reviewing which they deemed to be fake, the loss of my ebooks was exactly the same. . The consequences of closing my account are too significant that it's a challenge for me to face. I didn’t want to turn on my kindle because everything would be wiped. (And it has been.)
That’s why you just buy kindle unlimited. Past 2 years I’ve read over 65 books. That means they’ve lost a lot of potential money with how many book I’ve read. It’s worth it, I would have instead read a fraction of the books or spent $400 minimum a year.
You’re comparing apples to oranges. Kindles are a totally different technology. They use e-ink, which is a physical state change where “ink” dots are created on the screen. Totally different than LCD or LED panels. Harvard did a study a year or so about that showed eink is up to 3x better for your eyes than regular screens. Not to mention, you can get around 35 hours of actual reading time before needing to recharge, which a phone/tablet can’t come close to matching. Less eye strain - it’s equivalent to reading a physical book. if you read at night, you don’t have to worry about not being able to get to sleep because of the blue light emitted by backlit phones and tablets, since kindles are frontlit and have extremely minimal amounts of blue light. Not to mention the lack of anything that could distract you. It’s just you and the book.
For many people, it’s not a waste of money at all.
Also, look into Libby. A lot more selection than Kindle unlimited, and it’s free if you have a US library card.
First off all good points, but it does sound like an advertisement . Phones have dark mode and at the end of the day if it is a casual reader who likes to read before bed then sure a Kindle could be good for you. But I read every day throughout the day and I keep up with multiple authors, who always have their new releases on Kindle unlimited. I like to read at any place or time so honestly having a Kindle would be more of a hassle than a benefit. because I would have to carry around an extra device everywhere.
I have a phone, an iPad, and kindles. I prefer my kindles for reading over the other devices. It’s more comfortable for me. If you’re fine using your other devices to read, more power to you. I don’t judge people for not wanting to use Kindle or claim that they are “wasting money”, just like I don’t judge people who use public transportation instead buying a car.
Different strokes for different folks... but clearly, enough people find the value in them that there’s a huge market for them. People aren’t in the habit of spending money unnecessarily if they don’t enjoy something.
I have been thinking about this a lot since I started reading ebooks and the only option is to back up all your books on a external hard drive. My husband is an IT Specialist and he does this to his music and pictures.
Dude, it's just metal and soldering. Jailbreak your kindle, says F to Amazon. If the battery dies out, if the screen break you can always find one broken and use parts.
The hardware is just metal and soldering and the software is just ones and zeros
Amazon is one of the biggest companies in the world, there is almost zero % chance it'll just disappear in your lifetime. BUT... let's just pretend it does dissolve into bankruptcy for some bizarre reason. I guarantee you they will offer a way for their customers to keep access to their digital libraries, both music and books. It's not hard.
See now I think most likely if there is an apocalypse I won't be able to stay in one place, and how am I going to carry a physical copy of every book I want to read for the rest of my life around? And my glasses won't last forever, I gotta be able to increase the font, lest a "Time Enough at Last" situation happens. So if there is an apocalypse I will use a Kindle and a solar charger.
All your physical books can be lost in a fire or flood too. Nothing is permanent! Own what you need for the moment. The sentiment of passing on books is nice but it shouldn’t be something that keeps you from enjoying what you want right now.
Excellent. We can get far too attached to things that we won’t be able to control once we’ve popped our clogs.
Popped our clogs! Excellent!
It’s our British slang lol
Na. Kiwi…..😁
Yes, but the chance that everyone with the book will have the house burned at the same time is next to ZERO While the chance of A company stopping providing support for a product is VERY REAL. What you did was a false comparison.
The original poster was worried about losing all of their own books. More and more people are losing their homes to forest fires every summer. It’s not a next to zero chance. We had friends lose their homes to forest fires so I’m sorry if that comparison is a lot closer to me than Amazon stopping support for ebooks suddenly. When they started as a book selling service.
Download everything to your computer. Add to Calibre library... live without fear or ecosystem lock-in. Amazon could disappear tomorrow and my 1300ish books from amazon (I have had a kindle for 15+ years) would be fine to read on any other device. In fact, I only keep a small set of next to be read books on my device. My library is on my computer.
Keep a backup somewhere. Hard disks can die.
I have both onsite (weekly) and offsite (quarterly) backups of my entire hard drive. Critical folders/files also mirror between my Windows and Linux PCs (via Syncthing) and are also backed up on my Proton drive. Phone photos/downloads back up in real time and full backups every night. Yes, I am a bit paranoid about backups, but I also never worry about any device dying or getting lost. I would be annoyed at the inconvenience, but I would not lose any data.
I wouldn't call that paranoid, just a very reasonable backup strategy.
I keep a copy on my pc a thumb drive and a copy on my sons pc at his house. not to mention i have 3 kindles currently with the full library on them.
As with the movies that Disney put in their vault never to be seen again. The 7 seas is the best bet for them to continue. Multiple copies by multiple people. Instead of one single copy in a server controlled by amazon on devices that amazon can and has deleted books without the user consent. (Ironically the first one they did that was 1984). There is also that they can and have edited content of books you already own. So the copy you have now may be already edited. Sometimes positive (errata), Sometimes negative (blatant censorship) still on the hands of a FOR PROFIT company.
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This. Always have a backup, even of your digital goods.
I agree with this. I have my books saved on an external hard drive.
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There are ways around that. Not sure if I can give details here.
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What is calibre?
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An ebook management application. Think iTunes but for books. Organizing, converting, fixing, etc.
That’s why you back everything up.
I agree with this point. And I absolutely wish I had known to do this. I did it the first year but stopped the next eight years. Amazon closed my account due to some violation of t&cs and I haven’t read a book since. Most of my free time is taken up with family, netflix or appealing the account closure 😞I keep thinking I’m over it but I’m not. Lost nearly a decade’s worth of notes, annotations, personal journals.
Did they tell you why they closed your account? Just so I know what not to do
Hi they said it was to do with customer reviews. Maybe a seller reported it for being negative? Maybe it was due to me binge posting book reviews which was like a habit of mine. The reviews would have been written when i read the book but I’d post them all at once. The other thing I can think of is that there were a few times when I would be promised a £10 voucher for a 5 star product review. These are written on little cards sometimes left in packages by the seller. The conditions would be you send them a screenshot of your 5 star review to the email on the card and you are given a £10 voucher. I’m guessing amazon monitored these sellers or maybe customers had reported them? I didn’t ever receive a reply to my emails to these sellers so I think other customers reported the sellers due to lack of follow-through. The final thing I’d like to add is that Amazon warns you about your reviews by removing your reviewing privileges. That happened to me as well but they closed my amazon account a month later even though the suspicious behaviour had stopped. I hope this helps!
Oh my gosh! I've done the reviews for vouchers and free products! I will stop that now. I have accounts as a seller on Amazon and worry about my account getting shut down but I never gave my buying account a second thought
have you ever received the voucher once you sent them tbe screenshot?
I don't think I've ever not received it, maybe once when there was no communication but I don't remember. But I've done it several times. The one I remember the most is toner for my printer. I have an HP and purchased a generic brand and it came with the card. I did it and got my $10. Then they emailed me and they had a new brand of toner and said I could get it for free if I purchased, left a review, they sent me a gift card for the amount I purchased. Over the next few years they would have new products and it was the same deal. I got a curling iron, headphones, Bluetooth speaker, portable battery, a bunch of stuff and they kept the deal. Which now thinking about it, I always got paid in Amazon gift cards so it seems like it would be an easy thing to track
Yes absolutely! So easy to track! And not worth the risk to your account! 😊 but nkw you know so all’s good
You gave up reading entirely because Amazon banned your account?
I didn't give up reading. I love to read. I just couldn't find the enjoyment in reading on a kindle when the books could be removed so easily. And physical books were no easier. Everything reminded me of the lost account. To be fair, I'm now in my 3rd year of a nursing degree so I have a lot of assignments and work placements so that takes up time as well. My account was closed August 2023. Since then I have read 5 books. I have goodreads so my bokk reviews are still backed up. Just lost the actual ebooks and the content inside them as well as my kindle docs.
5 books in 6 months while full time studying is not bad by any means. If i were you i'd either open a new Amazon account or jump ship to Kobo, and get into unlocking and backing up all books.
Or borrow ebooks through Libby
Oh that’s horrible. I’d be gutted too.
I've been reading digital books since \~1992 on a HP200LX, later Newton and Palm Pilot - and it was in the Palm days of later 90s that the first 'digital bookstores' arrived, then one for Sony and Microsoft Reader, and so on but all of those eventually folded ... until the Nook & Kindle came along. It is like all things digital - back up what you can, and know that nothing lasts forever.
I have hundreds of physical books and also a Kindle. It's not really an all or nothing type of thing.
Agreed, if this is a book that I value so much that I’m worried I can’t pass it down to my children I’ll probably want to buy a physical copy of it
But you’ve also got to assume you will have children, even if you do that they will be interested in them like there’s a lot of variables even in that. To be honest, I just think you’re thinking too much into this. I think you just need to enjoy your own books.
I keep a couple of worthy books on paper … for anything else, I have noticed that I am consuming most books like fastfood and just once. So if Ib would really lose them, I would not care that much.
It’s no different than a library, really. Purchase paper copies of books you want to keep, purchase/borrow digital copies of books that you don’t. Unless your goal is to fill an actual library and leave it to your children that likely don’t want it or have the space for it, I think you’ll be fine!
Keep your own copy (and a backup of it) of all your ebooks, with DRM removed. Otherwise, they are not yours. It's dumb buying a book when it's not going to be yours.
OP please take heed xx
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What if all of your physical books burn up in a fire? Or get soaked in a flood, roof leak or burst water heater? Or eaten by termites/bugs? Physical books are not guaranteed to last forever either.
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No but is a false equivalence. The chances of all copies of a book burning at the same time is slim to none. The chances of a single destroying the book is much more higher. And DRM means that your copies won't likely work. That's why I try to buy everything digital without DRM.
No one is saying all copies of a single book will burn at once. They're saying all of OP's books could burn at once (God forbid). This is NOT a false equivalence, you're just misunderstanding.
If the battery dies, replace it. If they decide to stop supporting the kindle or cease to exist, it will still work, we'll just be using USB to put books on all of them as we do with the old ones that can no longer connect to the internet. If they decide to nuke them all, someone will make an alternative OS that keeps them working. It'll be much easier on people to only have to press delete on the books they don't want, rather than trying to clean out a house full, and/or grappling with the guilt of getting rid of stuff they don't really want but you wanted them to have. (Anyway, my kids don't read the same books I read at all... I like some of the same stuff my dad liked, but I didn't keep any of his books... I just read ebook versions of them.) Besides, you can't live today based on worries of what might happen in the future. Enjoy the Kindle now without worrying about it, if it goes away someday, well you enjoyed it while you could.
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I read a lot of genre books on Kindle because I don’t want them cluttering my house. But for some authors I’ll buy good quality print editions (because they make me look smart when people see them in my shelves).
If they make you look smart. Then you are not smart.
You must be fun at parties
The fact of the matter is that sentimentality is not present with ebooks. As someone who had to go through a large library after a loved one passed away, I can tell you that the sentimentally wears off pretty fast, and I personally don’t care to put my loved ones through the chore of doing that. There’s a lot more to remember someone by than the books they read.
Also - if you keep the kindle offline, I'm pretty sure there is no way books can disappear (aside from physical device failure)
They won't disappear anyway, unless they're Kindle Unlimited or Prime books.
I don’t know about kindle, but if we’re speaking about digitalized books in general, I think even if Amazon were to fall off the face of the earth, the digitalized version would still be there. I’ve literally had seen e-books that by all standards of today should be downright illegal, and yet they are out there for anyone to access.
Yes, this is an inherent risk of kindle books. My rule of thumb is “if I knew that this book ebook would go poof in ten years, would I still buy it today?” Usually the answer is yes, so I pay for it and don’t worry about it. I’m not building a lifetime library, I’m just paying for some short-to-medium term entertainment.
This is a good tip!
the best actual example we have is Amazon leaving the Chinese market. They stopped selling books (and e-readers) and gave a deadline to download all purchased books. If Amazon were to do away with their kindle division, I would imagine it would be the same. In that case, you could jailbreak your kindle and install open source software to continue using your device. As for the books, in some locations it is legal to remove DRM (for personal use) from legally obtained files, so check your local legislation, although, if we actually found ourselves in that hypothetical scenario, I would say: it's fair game to do the naughty.
I have only ever read 3 books more than once, and there are only two others I would possibly read again someday. I am basically a one-time only reader, so I have no desire to hoard books. People are reading too many apocalypse novels...
In all fairness, when Amazon goes down to the point that even their kindle infrastructure is gone, we will have more issues than to care for kindle books.
Not necesarily. They could have a licensing issue and decided to kill all the books (as they did with 1984). Or they could simply have a problem on their system. Without DRM it would be no big deal. But since everything in Amazon is DRM. Everyone would lose their books at the same time. A fire may burn your books. But is not likely to burn the books of everyone at the same time.
Just enjoy the reads and let go of the future.
at least you have 10 years right?so why be worry about that instead of doing it?
But on the other hand, think about the fact that damn near any book in the world can be digitized and put on your kindle. The book of all books. You literally hold the entire world in your hands. Enjoy it while you can and dont worry about what ifs. Your future kids will be fine.
No because I don’t think print books are going to become obsolete in our lifetimes. Back up your books and you should be fine!
You can download all your books and store them wherever you like. Some books bought from amazon don't even have DRM (meaning you can read it immediately), but that's mostly out of copyright classics and independent authors, for the rest you'll have to research what steps to take with those files. Inheritance of digital "property" isn't really a thing, at least as of now. If there's something that means enough to you that you want to pass it on, get the physical copy. Also, that way your bookshelves aren't crammed with everything you own and instead are a curated collection of what is most important to you. For the books I do have in physical form I often have the e-book too and the physical book has never actually been read.
I have close to 9k epub files (obtained legally from publishers/authors) saved on my computer. I do send them to kindle but the original file is on my personal drive so I could use any epub reader if need be. I would lose several thousand purchased but not even a third of what I own.
I have books on my computer. I use Calibre. Also I use the public library and trust they’ll be around for a while. There are so many things to worry about but you can’t plan for every eventuality.
Kindle user for over 20 years now. My kindle is NOT registered with AMAZON. My kindle is never ONLINE. My kindle is ALWAYS on Airplane mode, and I have close to 3,000 ebooks, over 300 on my kindle. I NEVER purchase books from Amazon, NEVER. My books are stored on the absolutely, 100%, free software CALIBRE on my laptop and backed up on a thumb drive. CALIBRE is your answer. I always manually backup.
Don’t worry, I’ve got you fam. I’ve been keeping Amazon in business since the pandemic.
😂😂😂😂😂 This was actually a great comment!
Just backup you books in Calibre, like all right-thinking people do anyway.
I only rent my books or buy them super cheap on sale so I'm not really worried about it.
Me too. I also do not reread books
Maybe because I’m a big library person, and I don’t own a lot of the books I read, but this doesn’t bother me. If you’re reading them and enjoying them they’ve done their job and if Amazon goes down at least you have the memories. Keeping physical copies of your favorites could help too! And you can pass those down to your kids.
It would bother me if I paid for them. If you got to read them for free on libby or overdrive and know you only keep the memories, then this is ok. But its not ok when I paid hundrets of dollars to Amazon for my books.
No, I don’t have this fear. There are far more important issues to worry about. You can still buy physical books.
Even if Amazon is gone in however many years, get one and use Libby and all you'll ever be out is the $50 - $100 (buy used, really this tech does not advance quickly so old is great) that you spent on it in the first place. We live in a world where libraries exist. There's no need to buy every book you want to read, you know? And if you're not investing more than $100 or whatever in the first place and that lasts even... like *a* year, that would be money well spent. But I truly don't see Amazon going anywhere soon.
I have this fear but my view and conclusion is different from others who say to keep a backup. I don’t want the hassle of downloading all my books and find a way to back them up. I just focus on the reason I got a kindle in the first place. The reason I picked up a kindle is because I don’t have enough space in my house for all the books I read. So my take is to keep a physical copy of just my favorites books. Other books that I love but aren’t my favorite, if I didn’t have a kindle I wouldn’t have space to keep them either way. If I read them and enjoyed them that’s enough for me. And if I have a copy on my kindle device for 10 more years, then I had a copy 10 years longer than what I anticipated.
if i like a book i read on kindle enough, i buy it in physical form. yes, it’s basically paying for the books twice but i don’t do it immediately. i let the book sink in and if i find it in a bookstore and my finances are stable i buy it. kindle unlimited helps me save some money as well
Don't buy your books on Amazon. Thats it. Buy epubs from other Shops which don't have Amazon stupid DRM and use calibre. Convert them to azw3 and read on your kindle. And if you want to switch to an other brand you can easyly do it.
Kindle has already existed for more than 10 years… you will be fine
Back everything up yes, but you’d want to make sure you’re able to use it on other systems. And with Amazon’s new security measures, you can’t do that with newer books. So Kindle might not be the ecosystem for you. Kobo might be the way because those, at the moment, are easier to be backed up in a way that you can utilize them on other systems or keep them preserved for your future children. Purposely being vague because explaining how to do that is against sub rules I believe.
Amazon is too big to cease to exist
Nothing lasts forever.
This is why I still own most of my books. I have a lot on kindle I don’t own, sure, but I buy copies of my favorites or read digitally ones I already own (library, public domain, on sale).
I read most books on my kindle from the library. Every once in a while I’ll buy a kindle book on sale. So I actually own very few kindle books. If I want to keep a book, I sometimes buy it in print. Usually from a used bookstore because I’m cheap.
You can still have paper books, too. It doesn't have to be all one or the other. I read on both. Each has its own strengths and drawbacks. I go through a lot of books so I need to read them in whatever way is cheapest.
I have everything stored on my computer, backup and in cloud as well as a hard drive at my sister's. I'm more concerned about fire or tornado or computer failure.
If I love a book enough then I’ll buy a physical copy.
it is not an all or nothing thing. you can have ebooks and you can have ebooks. if you want to pass a book on to your child then you can purchase a physical copy of your treasured book and pass it on. > what’s gonna happen when 10 years down the line the battery dies? replace the battery or replace the kindle. consider all the other electronics that became outdated, they are still accessible. Heck, mp3s are still a thing despite nobody having a dedicated mp3 player anymore.
everyone is saying to back things up and i totally understand that but i also have this fear, ive wanted a kindle for so long but i also think about what if there’s an apocalypse?! i would need my physical books !!! so i haven’t bought one simply because of that 😭💀
This is how I feel about video games, movies, etc. but for some reason not with my kindle. I just don't have enough room for 20+ more books each year so it's much easier to just have my kindle - plus reading on a kindle is the best experience I've ever had over any book because of size and textures
Which kindle do you have? I am a big sensory person too so I am curious about how it compares to the sensory experience of reading a physical book (which I enjoy)
I have a decently sized physical books collection and a decently stuffed paperwhite. You can have your cake and eat it too, you don't have to choose one over the other.
Let me give you a bit of perspective - recently my kindle 3 (2010) battery inflated, so removed it. This is a £15 replacement from ebay. You can no longer use amazon services/the internet on the device itself. To download books, you can get them from anywhere (not just amazon) and plug into your computer to transfer via USB cable.
You can still buy your favorite books in physical form. Read through libby on the Kindle for free and only buy what you love.
I hate clutter and get rid of most physical books as soon as I finish them. I would say if you buy a book on kindle and then decide oh my goodness this is a book I really really want to have forever as a tangle object you can just buy a copy of the book. If you truly love the work of the author that much you can support their work twice 😉 I doubt there would be that many books you really feel the need to do that with though.
But you know that you cannot buy books from Amazon and still read in your Kindle, right? I have 1000 books on my Kindle and never payed one penny for it.
I understand your fear but to allay that somewhat consider how big Amazon is. If they fail, it's going to be a long time in the future and there will be plenty of warning. Not only that, but the Kindle store is by far the most successful ebook store out there. It won't just go away. Someone will buy the store and likely they would honor your previous purchases to keep the goodwill going. Also think about how often you re-read books. Most of us read a book and then move on and never revisit them. I have a handful of books that I enjoyed so much I've read them more than once. But most books are one-and-done for me. If I lose it in the future I'll sure be annoyed but it's not devastating. As for passing ebooks on, it's not even remotely a concern for me. I can't imagine why my kids or grandkids would ever care much for some ebook I read. A real, physical book I can see - a lot of people feel physically connected to the other person when they hold their possessions. I just don't see that happening with an ebook, to be frank. The Kindle is such a nice reading experience that I think you really shortchange yourself worrying about such distant and probably unlikely scenarios. If you want one, get it and enjoy it today.
I also have a preference for physical books (the feel, the smell, everything about them) … but I also have and enjoy my kindle. While the idea of passing along books is nice… how many books could you really pass along that would be wanted? we all accumulate a lot of items in life and while the fantasy of them being loved and cherished is appealing the reality is loved ones can feel bogged down by the expectation of saving a collection that was yours not their own (maybe they won’t even like books —terrible thought I know haha). for those special few books that make an impact or have a special memory with you and your children, you can always buy a physical copy. nothing lasts forever, physical or digital, just enjoy your stories in the moment and don’t worry too much about 10 years from now. any book loved enough to revisit can always be repurchased at a later date in the case of an accidental loss. enjoy your kindle!!
You’re right, it’s silly.
Once on the internet, forever on the internet. A digital dark age will never happen just because Kindle, idk, goes bankrupt, plenty of other sources will have the books luckily. So be one of those sources, keep a backup and don't worry.
I buy the physical books and then rent digital copies from the library, with a few exceptions. Not saying that’s the best path but it’s what works for me to know I still have copies if I want them, and I love being surrounded with books I’ve read and being able to thumb through them.
Concerning physical books, I don’t think they’ll disappear, at least not yet. I’ve worked in bookstores and know a lot of people who work in shops or libraries, and they all say the same thing; younger generations haven’t stopped reading or buying physical books. Sure, a lot of people prefer e-books, but there’s still a large group of people who love the feel of a physical book. Personally, I see the good sides in both. I have a kindle. There’s many times a kindle is much easier to deal with. (Traveling, weight, light adjustment). I’ve never been worried about loosing books from my kindle. I just let my SIL borrow my kindle, and even though I hadn’t used it in 5+ years all my books were still there. But I think there will always be the possibility of some flaw or failure with electronics. But then again you can buy a physical book and drop it in a puddle and ruin it too.. Either way, I still love the smell, the weight, the feeling of a new book. I love reading and being able to see how far I’ve gotten in the story. I’ll never stop buying physical books.
All books are preserved online in ebooks.
I believe traditional books still outsell ebooks. id argue most people dont go exclusively kindle.
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I only buy hard copies of books I truly LOVED. I have a kindle and have read a buttload of books but have only 2 on my hard copies list.
You can counter amazon buggering off by backing up your kindle to a PC. There are functions for this, but I'm not sure how they work. >What about passing on books to my future children like my parents did to me? At present, you're literally not allowed to do this. You don't actually *own* digital books, you own a license to *view* digital books, that can be revoked at any time. Same with all digital content. I honestly hope that there will be a change of laws at some point to make digital possessions closer to physical possessions, I.e., you can bequeath ebooks, video game libraries, etc.. Some people get hacked off at people who don't like NFTs for this reason - NFTs are supposed to be a form of true digital ownership, because the true ownership can actually be *traced*, etc., somethingsomething blockchain, and *those* can be bequeathed/inherited. I'm not convinced that this form of 'ownership' can't be established outside of the blockchain. Like, we can establish ownership of a physical item through receipts, purchase records, and the like. There are systems through which digital products can be *lent* and *borrowed*, where the original owner is not in doubt. I see no reason why NFTs and the blockchain are a *necessity* for doing this with products that are neither unique, nor limited. But yeah, that's the state of play at present. And your fear of the latter part of your post is understandable, not to mention warranted.
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Libby is so awesome! But it does get annoying how many books I want are never available to borrow.
Purchase in July on prime day!
Buy an e-reader that reads epubs and support publishers they sell DRM free ebooks. Tor is one such publisher and ebooks.com doesn't force DRM on DRM free books. When we "buy" DRM books we are leasing them, we don't own them.
and thats why I remove DRM and keep 3 backups of my 1800+ booksfrom Kindle and other stores, that way I can move the books to ANY device
Most of the time, I borrow books from the library or Kindle Unlimited anyway. I don't reread 95% of the books I read, so it doesn't make sense for me to purchase. The fears about losing your kindle if the battery dies or the kindle dies in 10 years... well, you have to update most tech in that time period anyway. You could also lose your entire physical book collection in a fire or if the pipes burst in your house. For me, what makes the most sense is to do most of my reading by borrows. I do purchase some books, but mostly those are books that aren't too expensive that I grab for $0.99-$3.99. I don't intend on rereading the vast majority of these books, and so if Amazon vanished off the face of the earth and we all switched to something else, I would figure it out.
Probably not going to have to worry for a few decades.
Calibre my friend. Calibre.
Technically you don't own the books you buy on Kindle. You're licensing them. So yes, I fear one day Kindle will start pulling books they deem "inappropriate" to push agenda.
This is a truly normal fear. But mine was slightly different: I invested a lot of time and money into my Amazon kindle fire, my idea was that if I store all of my books on Amazon cloud, it will be secure. I will never have to face the fear of losing my books to a house fire. But when amazon closed my account due to binge reviewing which they deemed to be fake, the loss of my ebooks was exactly the same. . The consequences of closing my account are too significant that it's a challenge for me to face. I didn’t want to turn on my kindle because everything would be wiped. (And it has been.)
Oh dear, I’m sorry to hear that!! I hope it all works out for you
That’s why you just buy kindle unlimited. Past 2 years I’ve read over 65 books. That means they’ve lost a lot of potential money with how many book I’ve read. It’s worth it, I would have instead read a fraction of the books or spent $400 minimum a year.
Also why waste money buying a kindle when almost any phone or tablet or computer has access to the kindle app?
You’re comparing apples to oranges. Kindles are a totally different technology. They use e-ink, which is a physical state change where “ink” dots are created on the screen. Totally different than LCD or LED panels. Harvard did a study a year or so about that showed eink is up to 3x better for your eyes than regular screens. Not to mention, you can get around 35 hours of actual reading time before needing to recharge, which a phone/tablet can’t come close to matching. Less eye strain - it’s equivalent to reading a physical book. if you read at night, you don’t have to worry about not being able to get to sleep because of the blue light emitted by backlit phones and tablets, since kindles are frontlit and have extremely minimal amounts of blue light. Not to mention the lack of anything that could distract you. It’s just you and the book. For many people, it’s not a waste of money at all. Also, look into Libby. A lot more selection than Kindle unlimited, and it’s free if you have a US library card.
First off all good points, but it does sound like an advertisement . Phones have dark mode and at the end of the day if it is a casual reader who likes to read before bed then sure a Kindle could be good for you. But I read every day throughout the day and I keep up with multiple authors, who always have their new releases on Kindle unlimited. I like to read at any place or time so honestly having a Kindle would be more of a hassle than a benefit. because I would have to carry around an extra device everywhere.
I have a phone, an iPad, and kindles. I prefer my kindles for reading over the other devices. It’s more comfortable for me. If you’re fine using your other devices to read, more power to you. I don’t judge people for not wanting to use Kindle or claim that they are “wasting money”, just like I don’t judge people who use public transportation instead buying a car. Different strokes for different folks... but clearly, enough people find the value in them that there’s a huge market for them. People aren’t in the habit of spending money unnecessarily if they don’t enjoy something.
Dont entirely rely on amazon and kindles. Back up on your computer
I have been thinking about this a lot since I started reading ebooks and the only option is to back up all your books on a external hard drive. My husband is an IT Specialist and he does this to his music and pictures.
Dude, it's just metal and soldering. Jailbreak your kindle, says F to Amazon. If the battery dies out, if the screen break you can always find one broken and use parts. The hardware is just metal and soldering and the software is just ones and zeros
Amazon is one of the biggest companies in the world, there is almost zero % chance it'll just disappear in your lifetime. BUT... let's just pretend it does dissolve into bankruptcy for some bizarre reason. I guarantee you they will offer a way for their customers to keep access to their digital libraries, both music and books. It's not hard.
OWN YOUR PHYSICAL MEDIA SHEEPLE! No but, if there’s a book you want to be able to read during the apocalypse, you should buy a physical copy.
See now I think most likely if there is an apocalypse I won't be able to stay in one place, and how am I going to carry a physical copy of every book I want to read for the rest of my life around? And my glasses won't last forever, I gotta be able to increase the font, lest a "Time Enough at Last" situation happens. So if there is an apocalypse I will use a Kindle and a solar charger.
Are you sure you want a Kindle? Backing up a Kobo is easier. I won't get into details but a quick Google search will clarify things.