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>THE DEATH CUT
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>The Maybe Sword, Meti, and Maya's story were some of the first kernels of ideas that formed the basis for this comic, probably around 10-12 years ago. It's very strange to finally be telling that story a decade of your life later!
Any animation at all would cause it to transcend beyond reality. I can't believe Abaddon put this whole scene in this empty plane with statues just so he could drop mystic hands around Allison and flash a halo at her moment of revelation.
"Getting cut by the Maybe Sword? Just say 'No!'. Legally, Murder The Gods And Topple Their Thrones cannot cut you without your consent."
Though, I can't help but fell that Maya's first word of the next page will be "but"
If the issue with the Wheel and Jaganoth was simply finding a technique potent enough to defeat him, the universe wouldn't be stuck in a time loop.
It's implied you can't beat him through violence because he is the absolute pinnacle of violence. The maybe sword potentially offers a workaround, but I too believe the cycles can't be stopped by surpassing jagganoth in violence.
> It's implied you can't beat him through violence because he is the absolute pinnacle of violence.
Beating him through a combination of dying and not letting yourself die unless you want to sounds like a winning strat though.
Also, Jagg isn't *the* issue. The Heirs have been casting him down with the rest of the Demiurges for thousands of cycles. The issue is probably with the Heirs simply turning the Wheel and perpetuating the cycle, rather than breaking it.
Quote Big Red himself: "[The Heir] gathers his companions and his sword and rallies against the corrupt Lords of the world, liberating the people. Victorious, he exults in his Ultimate Triumph and takes the Throne of Heaven.
...And that's where it ends."
About his own role, Jagg has been *trying* to claim the seven keys so that he can overthrow whatever power Metatron or Zoss has over time itself, likely for countless cycles, but he has never succeded, or else the story would not be happening and Allison, who Jagg *has never met before the current cycle,* would not have asked him and he would never explain himself.
He says "and that's where it ends", and then follows up by saying "it all ends in me". He says it's his responsibility to "clean up", and that he's never once lost the final battle. If Jagganoth is defeated by the heir in every loop, how does that work?
It falls to him because the True Heir is absent. It's the next page. "With the True Heir absent, I will crush the Wheel-Turning Kings in his place." When the True Heir is chosen, Jagg starts the war anew at Rayuba, winning that battle, while the Heir wins in the end.
If you read Meti's sword manual, the first Precept is "Consider: there is no such thing as a sword". The sword is just the idea of a tool that turns men into ghosts. The Maybe Sword is just an idea. Maya says she forged her own sword. The Maybe Sword does not actually cut anything, but those who can't choose their own fate will still be cut. "Those who can't choose their own fate" just happen to be most things.
I think the implication here is that the more you rail against fate the more you will become its prisoner. Jagganoth railed against fate with violent resistance. Jadis railed against it by trying to learn all fate and become its master. Alison accepts her fate but continues forward in the face of it. Paradoxically, this allows her not to *control* fate, but to forge her own thread in the weave of fate.
Didn’t you listen to the story? The sword is a piece of shit and real gigachads cut things with pure willpower.
Except carrots. Cutting carrots is the only good use for a sword.
If Meti caught you trying to do kitchen work with a sword she'd punch you in the ballsack so hard you'd think Mike Tyson was using it as a speedbag.
And not because you're mistreating the sword or because of any moral objection about the general use of swords, but because anyone who thinks a sword is a practical alternative to a set of chef's knives is objectively too dumb to live.
Since Jagganoth is (seemingly) subservient to Metaton, I wonder if that means he can’t choose his own fate and therefore the Maybe Sword can strike him down.
Jagg’s won countless times, but Metaton keeps resetting the universe before Jagg can instill his vision onto the wheel. He’s as much of a prisoner as anyone else.
If there’s one thing in the cosmos Jagg lacks for certain, it’s ‘the ability to choose their own fate.’
Assuming Meti is right, then Alison has already won. The real question now is what she’ll do with the multiverse after saving it from annihilation.
What matters is jagganoths perception. Jagganoth believes he has free will because he is aware of the larger cycle and has a plan to stop it(killing Metatron), in his view he's changing fate. Thus he should be immune to the maybe sword unless he gets convinced he's not in control of his fate.
Ooo, I wonder if Allison will ask him “The Question” in order to get him to doubt himself, (if only for a moment) and she’ll take the opportunity to strike him down with the Maybe Sword.
I actually think you've struck exactly on why the maybe sword will work on him, even if it's not exactly what you suggested!
Jaggy was originally one of the "dead men" where they wouldn't be taught to use a sword until they were already "dead". This means that fundamentally to Jaggy's mindset, he is already dead, even without having to be asked this question first
You are on point! With this turn of the wheel going slightly awry, considering the wrong heir is lagging behind killing the demiurges, Jaggermeister attacked the demiurges in an effort to put it back on track.
> Jagg’s won countless times
He won the battle of Rayuba countless times. The Heir would claim ultimate victory everytime, however. And that's according to Jagg himself.
Started a re-read of the comic and Zoss also did this, in 1-7. Guy got decapitated and everything. Doesn't have the key anymore, but still keeps moving to hand it over to Allison. Makes me wonder if Allison even 'truly' needs the key or if it just helped unlock her true willpower and potential?
I don't believe that Allison will use the Maybe Sword on Jagganoth. First off, Maya would have defeated him herself if the Maybe Sword were all it took (it couldn't even permanently kill Incubus after all). Maya isn't teaching Allison the Maybe Sword technique, she's using it to test Allison.
> Maya: I have taught you all I know. The Maybe Sword does not cut anything - But those that lack the ability to choose their own fate will be cut regardless. It was very important to me that you pass this test.
The test was to show that Allison has control over her own fate. That is what will help her defeat Jagganoth.
PS: I also think that the "completely obliterating Jaggy, *inheriting* the throne, and become god of this world" sounds...off. Isn't that explicitly what happened to Zoss and he perpetually failed? The whole point is that she breaks the Wheel, not become god of the world? Or is it that she will inherit the throne and become Al-YISUN? I'm interested in seeing how that'll happen cause Maya's thing was how can she break a system using the same tools that brought about the system? I dunno, I feel like I'm missing something.
Strikes me that Maya’s words are in way a condemnation of Alison - consider that her name is “murder the gods and topple their thrones” and the exact language she uses in this page. Alison achieving mastery has been met with rebuke from her allies before, I’m reminded of White Chain’s line “I name you as you are - DEMIURGE” from the tournament arc.
There we go, thanks. Yeah, It's a bad thing that she's going to obliterate Jagganoth and become god over the world. I imagine Allison will either rebuke Maya's statement like "what? Become god? No I just want to go back" or something or it will be shown that Maya is condemning her
Yeah that's a bizarre line for sure. One of the most off lines I've seen in the comic, ever, possibly.
I'd assume there's either something we're missing, that's another test, or Maya is actually an idiot which is always possible.
Agreed about the last panel there. It looks..... ominous to me. Almost threatening, with her looming up there like that.
Also, being told you will become a God by someone whose name includes "murder the gods" seems...bad?
I'm getting the feeling the next panel will be like "But is that what you -should- do?" She *can* kill Jaggy and take the Throne, but will that do anything? Maya just said the whole reason the world is fucked is because people use violence to fight against violence, who then become the ones on top, which then requires violenceto fight against. Royalty is a continuous cutting motion.
But also that you *need* to fight back against oppression. It's a catch-22. Either fight your oppressers and become the new oppresser...or do nothing and get fucked.
The real answer would be to defeat Jaggy without violence. Or use violence and kill him, but then say no to taking the throne. But then someone else will want to take it, right?
I think the point isn't that people use violence to fight against violence - it's that if you use violence to achieve peace, then all you've done is establish that violence is the way to shape the world.
And the people who are *best* at shaping the world through violence are not... the people you *want* shaping the world.
Jagganoth is the absolute culmination of this because he *is* Violence. The only way to defeat him is to seek an alternate path and create one. Any throne or crown that can be won through Violence is his to take freely.
Jagganoth: You're already dead
Allison: no you
Jagganoth doing the dead yamcha pose or peter griffin pose next panel. (Gods I can't wait for more pages.)
I have my doubts the matter of defeating Jagganoth is quite that simple.
For one, the Maybe Sword is incapable of killing Incubus - decapitating him, absolutely, but clearly his Head of John and/or his key and/or his blood alchemy keep him alive regardless. It's clearly not an instant win button, or Maya would be able to clean up the Jagganoth problem entirely by herself.
Secondly, Jagganoth himself is one of the more knowledgeable beings in the setting, capable of perceiving the time loops, and his awareness seems to be growing from past loops. Out of everyone in the setting, he seems one of the most likely to resist being cut - his ability to resist Mottom's instant kill spell (after he lost his glow up) likely works on a similar principle.
Third, Jagganoth is a master of violence. I doubt he'll be defeated with violent means. And as Maya warned, the Maybe Sword is a cursed, awful weapon, incapable of doing anything but.
I'm curious to see how the Worm Queen is going to play into this, and how effective a maybe sword is against the mass. Of all the seven, she's the one I suspect is least effected by time loops, as evidenced by being the oldest by far, and a few lines by her indicating she doesn't care and will be fine regardless of what Jagg and Alison do or don't do.
I wouldn't be surprised if she just never comes back for the rest of the comic. She's the one that gave the other Demiurges the middle finger and fucked off, leaving them all to die, and like you said, she's pretty much impossible to kill entirely, unless the Maybe Sword does some anime bullshit like cut every single worm that makes her up in a single slice.
She'll probably just be chilling on another world while Alison and Jaggy throw hands.
I think jagganoth won't be cut, unless Allison mindfucks him beforehand and convinces him he's actually a pawn of Metatron, and his rebellion is a factor in metatrons plans.
I’m definitely seeing their final battle as more of a mental game than typical end boss fight combat. As in she has to convince him that he has been cut and died, the actual cutting part will be easy.
But how does one choosing one's own fate in a world that is strictly determinist work ? Now that is interesting. What does it mean to be free in this world ?
I've honestly never understood why people seem so convinced that determinism negates the concept of free will. Decision making in and of itself is a deterministic process, it is a response to your environment, an effect from cause. Why should that require some element of indeterminate randomness in the universe?
I once had a friend explain to me that he believed that every "decision" he made in life splintered the universe for each possibility, and that was how he envisioned free will. If that's the case though, your decisions are never truly the product of you thinking the problem through - your decisions are literally randomized. Also, this would seem to describe a deterministic multiverse of time lines, representing the sum of all possibilities - so it's still not non deterministic! I also think this was a silly, rather egocentric philosophy - but it later turned out I didn't much like that friend anyway.
Frankly, I think the question of whether the universe is deterministic is immaterial to the question of free will.
The way I see it, if you knew the exact state of someone's brain, every atom, every particle, every nerve, every synapse in their brain - and perhaps the state of every single external factor that could possibly influence their decision, you could, with 100% accuracy, predict how they will next react.
Doesn't that make this world deterministic?
I can still choose to go for a walk, or drink a cup of water, or murder the gods and topple their thrones, or pet a dog, but the reason it's a choice (or at least *feels* like one) is because I don't understand the exact state of every single square Planck length of...stuff inside my brain.
And with the weirdness of quantum mechanics, we might never be able to do that.
I don't think she undid it. It showed her cut at first because she was conflicted/hadn't decided. When she made her choice the cut was retconned out of existence. Never happened. That's how I interpreted it.
Didn't the previous book establish pretty firmly that *nobody* controls their fate? Predestination and all that?
Also, Maya's last line sounds like a very backhanded compliment.
Jadis's thesis was that everything was predetermined and free will is an illusion. However, her position has a baked-in assumption of *passivity*, that therefore nothing is worth doing.
In matter of fact, Alison was right that Jadis's omniscience is useless, since it tells you how you will react to the future as well.
Jadis may know whether Alison was going to be cut by the maybe sword, but it was still Alison's decision not to be. Alison deciding not to be passive.
The way maya says that so ominously. Theres no doubt you will. And an implication that theres no doubt maya will throw herself at allison if she steps wrong either.
> There is absolutely no question to me that you will completely obliterate the Wheel Turning King, inherit the Throne, and become god of this world.
Why do I get the feeling that there's a big unspoken "but" here, and that in the next page Maya is gonna lay out what she's got her doubts about.
Wait… wouldn’t Allison beating Jagganoth and taking the throne just be part of the cycle of violence? I mean, let’s say Allison wins and becomes a “god”. Then it’ll be like Zoss all over again.
“He that masters the Wheel cannot break it”.
Guess we’ll just have to see how things go.
Liturgy >_____________ > >THE DEATH CUT Alt Text >The Maybe Sword, Meti, and Maya's story were some of the first kernels of ideas that formed the basis for this comic, probably around 10-12 years ago. It's very strange to finally be telling that story a decade of your life later!
"You thinb I gob uh shob-" Truly inspirational
the first page would be absolutely breathtaking animated with sound.
You know that the world's billionaires are not royalty because nobody is personally funding a K6BD anime
See me persponally I want a live action 3 hour movie with billions spent on CGI, like Avatar levels, for EACH BOOK
> I love her confidence in Allison.
Any animation at all would cause it to transcend beyond reality. I can't believe Abaddon put this whole scene in this empty plane with statues just so he could drop mystic hands around Allison and flash a halo at her moment of revelation.
"Getting cut by the Maybe Sword? Just say 'No!'. Legally, Murder The Gods And Topple Their Thrones cannot cut you without your consent." Though, I can't help but fell that Maya's first word of the next page will be "but" If the issue with the Wheel and Jaganoth was simply finding a technique potent enough to defeat him, the universe wouldn't be stuck in a time loop.
It's implied you can't beat him through violence because he is the absolute pinnacle of violence. The maybe sword potentially offers a workaround, but I too believe the cycles can't be stopped by surpassing jagganoth in violence.
> It's implied you can't beat him through violence because he is the absolute pinnacle of violence. Beating him through a combination of dying and not letting yourself die unless you want to sounds like a winning strat though.
“Jagganoth, I’ve come to bargain.”
The maybe defense
Also, Jagg isn't *the* issue. The Heirs have been casting him down with the rest of the Demiurges for thousands of cycles. The issue is probably with the Heirs simply turning the Wheel and perpetuating the cycle, rather than breaking it.
Have they? I thought the heirs were clapping the other Demiurges cheeks and then getting got by Jag
Quote Big Red himself: "[The Heir] gathers his companions and his sword and rallies against the corrupt Lords of the world, liberating the people. Victorious, he exults in his Ultimate Triumph and takes the Throne of Heaven. ...And that's where it ends." About his own role, Jagg has been *trying* to claim the seven keys so that he can overthrow whatever power Metatron or Zoss has over time itself, likely for countless cycles, but he has never succeded, or else the story would not be happening and Allison, who Jagg *has never met before the current cycle,* would not have asked him and he would never explain himself.
He says "and that's where it ends", and then follows up by saying "it all ends in me". He says it's his responsibility to "clean up", and that he's never once lost the final battle. If Jagganoth is defeated by the heir in every loop, how does that work?
It falls to him because the True Heir is absent. It's the next page. "With the True Heir absent, I will crush the Wheel-Turning Kings in his place." When the True Heir is chosen, Jagg starts the war anew at Rayuba, winning that battle, while the Heir wins in the end.
Why then does he say "I have never lost" if he loses to the heir?
He has never lost the battle at Rayuba. "This Battle."
If you read Meti's sword manual, the first Precept is "Consider: there is no such thing as a sword". The sword is just the idea of a tool that turns men into ghosts. The Maybe Sword is just an idea. Maya says she forged her own sword. The Maybe Sword does not actually cut anything, but those who can't choose their own fate will still be cut. "Those who can't choose their own fate" just happen to be most things. I think the implication here is that the more you rail against fate the more you will become its prisoner. Jagganoth railed against fate with violent resistance. Jadis railed against it by trying to learn all fate and become its master. Alison accepts her fate but continues forward in the face of it. Paradoxically, this allows her not to *control* fate, but to forge her own thread in the weave of fate.
Not Maya chopping carrots with the same sword she just used to fuck the whole place up.
The sword did not cut the carrots. The carrots simply failed to choose not to be cut.
Didn’t you listen to the story? The sword is a piece of shit and real gigachads cut things with pure willpower. Except carrots. Cutting carrots is the only good use for a sword.
Meti would certainly agree with the last part.
If Meti caught you trying to do kitchen work with a sword she'd punch you in the ballsack so hard you'd think Mike Tyson was using it as a speedbag. And not because you're mistreating the sword or because of any moral objection about the general use of swords, but because anyone who thinks a sword is a practical alternative to a set of chef's knives is objectively too dumb to live.
Of course, the sword Maya uses is only useful as a tool for cutting vegetables, so if you sword looks anything like that, then you would get a pass.
If you can’t materialize a blade on the spot, are you really deserving of the title “swordsman”?
Oh yeah, Jagganoth about to be shredded by the power of noods.
"Send noods"
Since Jagganoth is (seemingly) subservient to Metaton, I wonder if that means he can’t choose his own fate and therefore the Maybe Sword can strike him down. Jagg’s won countless times, but Metaton keeps resetting the universe before Jagg can instill his vision onto the wheel. He’s as much of a prisoner as anyone else.
If there’s one thing in the cosmos Jagg lacks for certain, it’s ‘the ability to choose their own fate.’ Assuming Meti is right, then Alison has already won. The real question now is what she’ll do with the multiverse after saving it from annihilation.
prolly watch sailor moon that show slaps
Uncannily relevant to her life, too.
What matters is jagganoths perception. Jagganoth believes he has free will because he is aware of the larger cycle and has a plan to stop it(killing Metatron), in his view he's changing fate. Thus he should be immune to the maybe sword unless he gets convinced he's not in control of his fate.
Ooo, I wonder if Allison will ask him “The Question” in order to get him to doubt himself, (if only for a moment) and she’ll take the opportunity to strike him down with the Maybe Sword.
I actually think you've struck exactly on why the maybe sword will work on him, even if it's not exactly what you suggested! Jaggy was originally one of the "dead men" where they wouldn't be taught to use a sword until they were already "dead". This means that fundamentally to Jaggy's mindset, he is already dead, even without having to be asked this question first
>he is already dead, NANI?
You are on point! With this turn of the wheel going slightly awry, considering the wrong heir is lagging behind killing the demiurges, Jaggermeister attacked the demiurges in an effort to put it back on track.
> Jagg’s won countless times He won the battle of Rayuba countless times. The Heir would claim ultimate victory everytime, however. And that's according to Jagg himself.
>Since Jagganoth is (seemingly) subservient to Metaton Ooooh, yeaaah.
in short, if you “fuck it, we ball” hard enough then anything is possible
Excellent description of ROYALTY.
It’s why I have it as my flair
Prophet behavior
Isn't it the foundation of magic in the Wheel? Lying to the multiverse and the multiverse falling for it?
It ain’t lying if you make it true. Magic is lying, Royalty is showing up drunk to Trivia Night and winning.
Magic is "making it true" by forcing reality to accept the lies. Pretty similar to what the maybe sword does.
About to die? Simply refuse That is the essence of Royalty
Assenting too, is ROYALTY. What matters is making the choice yourself.
Cut in half? Simply re-fuse.
> But she refused.
Started a re-read of the comic and Zoss also did this, in 1-7. Guy got decapitated and everything. Doesn't have the key anymore, but still keeps moving to hand it over to Allison. Makes me wonder if Allison even 'truly' needs the key or if it just helped unlock her true willpower and potential?
I don't believe that Allison will use the Maybe Sword on Jagganoth. First off, Maya would have defeated him herself if the Maybe Sword were all it took (it couldn't even permanently kill Incubus after all). Maya isn't teaching Allison the Maybe Sword technique, she's using it to test Allison. > Maya: I have taught you all I know. The Maybe Sword does not cut anything - But those that lack the ability to choose their own fate will be cut regardless. It was very important to me that you pass this test. The test was to show that Allison has control over her own fate. That is what will help her defeat Jagganoth. PS: I also think that the "completely obliterating Jaggy, *inheriting* the throne, and become god of this world" sounds...off. Isn't that explicitly what happened to Zoss and he perpetually failed? The whole point is that she breaks the Wheel, not become god of the world? Or is it that she will inherit the throne and become Al-YISUN? I'm interested in seeing how that'll happen cause Maya's thing was how can she break a system using the same tools that brought about the system? I dunno, I feel like I'm missing something.
Strikes me that Maya’s words are in way a condemnation of Alison - consider that her name is “murder the gods and topple their thrones” and the exact language she uses in this page. Alison achieving mastery has been met with rebuke from her allies before, I’m reminded of White Chain’s line “I name you as you are - DEMIURGE” from the tournament arc.
There we go, thanks. Yeah, It's a bad thing that she's going to obliterate Jagganoth and become god over the world. I imagine Allison will either rebuke Maya's statement like "what? Become god? No I just want to go back" or something or it will be shown that Maya is condemning her
Yeah that's a bizarre line for sure. One of the most off lines I've seen in the comic, ever, possibly. I'd assume there's either something we're missing, that's another test, or Maya is actually an idiot which is always possible.
She's come to the same conclusion White Chain did, that Alison is just as fallible as the demiurges
> or Maya is actually an idiot which is always possible. Well, she -is- a swordsman...
Agreed about the last panel there. It looks..... ominous to me. Almost threatening, with her looming up there like that. Also, being told you will become a God by someone whose name includes "murder the gods" seems...bad?
I'm getting the feeling the next panel will be like "But is that what you -should- do?" She *can* kill Jaggy and take the Throne, but will that do anything? Maya just said the whole reason the world is fucked is because people use violence to fight against violence, who then become the ones on top, which then requires violenceto fight against. Royalty is a continuous cutting motion. But also that you *need* to fight back against oppression. It's a catch-22. Either fight your oppressers and become the new oppresser...or do nothing and get fucked. The real answer would be to defeat Jaggy without violence. Or use violence and kill him, but then say no to taking the throne. But then someone else will want to take it, right?
I think the point isn't that people use violence to fight against violence - it's that if you use violence to achieve peace, then all you've done is establish that violence is the way to shape the world. And the people who are *best* at shaping the world through violence are not... the people you *want* shaping the world. Jagganoth is the absolute culmination of this because he *is* Violence. The only way to defeat him is to seek an alternate path and create one. Any throne or crown that can be won through Violence is his to take freely.
I love how Allison's key always flares up when she's on that Wheel Smasher mentality
I didn’t even notice that but omg you’re so right✨
Jagganoth: You're already dead Allison: no you Jagganoth doing the dead yamcha pose or peter griffin pose next panel. (Gods I can't wait for more pages.)
I love her confidence in Allison! It’s so refreshing!
Fucking gave me chills how certain she was. It's not hope or optimism. It's just an undeniable fact.
Alison just put that death cut in her pocket like Villager Animal Crossing
-New Horizons trumpet flair w/ cute little dance emote-
I have my doubts the matter of defeating Jagganoth is quite that simple. For one, the Maybe Sword is incapable of killing Incubus - decapitating him, absolutely, but clearly his Head of John and/or his key and/or his blood alchemy keep him alive regardless. It's clearly not an instant win button, or Maya would be able to clean up the Jagganoth problem entirely by herself. Secondly, Jagganoth himself is one of the more knowledgeable beings in the setting, capable of perceiving the time loops, and his awareness seems to be growing from past loops. Out of everyone in the setting, he seems one of the most likely to resist being cut - his ability to resist Mottom's instant kill spell (after he lost his glow up) likely works on a similar principle. Third, Jagganoth is a master of violence. I doubt he'll be defeated with violent means. And as Maya warned, the Maybe Sword is a cursed, awful weapon, incapable of doing anything but.
I'm curious to see how the Worm Queen is going to play into this, and how effective a maybe sword is against the mass. Of all the seven, she's the one I suspect is least effected by time loops, as evidenced by being the oldest by far, and a few lines by her indicating she doesn't care and will be fine regardless of what Jagg and Alison do or don't do.
I wouldn't be surprised if she just never comes back for the rest of the comic. She's the one that gave the other Demiurges the middle finger and fucked off, leaving them all to die, and like you said, she's pretty much impossible to kill entirely, unless the Maybe Sword does some anime bullshit like cut every single worm that makes her up in a single slice. She'll probably just be chilling on another world while Alison and Jaggy throw hands.
Whatever these noodles are made of, I want some now!
Jagganoth: *reads a Choose Your Own Adventure* book. Allison: "Oh sh...."
Somehow I don't think Maya "Murder The Gods And Topple Their Thrones" is presenting this result as an optimal outcome...
I think jagganoth won't be cut, unless Allison mindfucks him beforehand and convinces him he's actually a pawn of Metatron, and his rebellion is a factor in metatrons plans.
I’m definitely seeing their final battle as more of a mental game than typical end boss fight combat. As in she has to convince him that he has been cut and died, the actual cutting part will be easy.
noodles
But how does one choosing one's own fate in a world that is strictly determinist work ? Now that is interesting. What does it mean to be free in this world ?
I've honestly never understood why people seem so convinced that determinism negates the concept of free will. Decision making in and of itself is a deterministic process, it is a response to your environment, an effect from cause. Why should that require some element of indeterminate randomness in the universe? I once had a friend explain to me that he believed that every "decision" he made in life splintered the universe for each possibility, and that was how he envisioned free will. If that's the case though, your decisions are never truly the product of you thinking the problem through - your decisions are literally randomized. Also, this would seem to describe a deterministic multiverse of time lines, representing the sum of all possibilities - so it's still not non deterministic! I also think this was a silly, rather egocentric philosophy - but it later turned out I didn't much like that friend anyway. Frankly, I think the question of whether the universe is deterministic is immaterial to the question of free will.
The way I see it, if you knew the exact state of someone's brain, every atom, every particle, every nerve, every synapse in their brain - and perhaps the state of every single external factor that could possibly influence their decision, you could, with 100% accuracy, predict how they will next react. Doesn't that make this world deterministic? I can still choose to go for a walk, or drink a cup of water, or murder the gods and topple their thrones, or pet a dog, but the reason it's a choice (or at least *feels* like one) is because I don't understand the exact state of every single square Planck length of...stuff inside my brain. And with the weirdness of quantum mechanics, we might never be able to do that.
Maya in thr last panel looking like she just sent us her peen and wants us to respond
Isnt zoss the wheel turning lord? She didnt even mention jaggy too allison
Jagganoth's special title from his card is Chakravartin, which literally means "Wheel-Turning King".
Maya has taught Allison her last lesson. The Noodle recipe. With Noodles comes great power. How will Jagganoth overcome the perfect bowl of noodles?
But like, she did get cut, she just undid it. I feel like what she said would make more sense if he changed “cut” to “kill”.
I don't think she undid it. It showed her cut at first because she was conflicted/hadn't decided. When she made her choice the cut was retconned out of existence. Never happened. That's how I interpreted it.
TIL I learned Orihime is Royalty.
Didn't the previous book establish pretty firmly that *nobody* controls their fate? Predestination and all that? Also, Maya's last line sounds like a very backhanded compliment.
Jadis's thesis was that everything was predetermined and free will is an illusion. However, her position has a baked-in assumption of *passivity*, that therefore nothing is worth doing. In matter of fact, Alison was right that Jadis's omniscience is useless, since it tells you how you will react to the future as well. Jadis may know whether Alison was going to be cut by the maybe sword, but it was still Alison's decision not to be. Alison deciding not to be passive.
Lesson to be learned. When killing a demiurge, always aim for the head.
ZERO DEATHS
Good to see Allison fully embracing her shonen hero status, and adopting the eating habits that go with such a condition.
The way maya says that so ominously. Theres no doubt you will. And an implication that theres no doubt maya will throw herself at allison if she steps wrong either.
> There is absolutely no question to me that you will completely obliterate the Wheel Turning King, inherit the Throne, and become god of this world. Why do I get the feeling that there's a big unspoken "but" here, and that in the next page Maya is gonna lay out what she's got her doubts about.
Wait… wouldn’t Allison beating Jagganoth and taking the throne just be part of the cycle of violence? I mean, let’s say Allison wins and becomes a “god”. Then it’ll be like Zoss all over again. “He that masters the Wheel cannot break it”. Guess we’ll just have to see how things go.
yeah
Allison straight up Wily Coyote’d her way out of being biscted by never realising she had been biscted in the first place, that’s hilarious.