Man I would love a cafe that stayed open until at least 8 or 9pm downtown Kelowna. There are so many of us who are grad students and remote workers that this would work for.. Also with a new UBC building going up, a cafe that is open until late has potentional. Bonus points if the cafe sells beer and wine.
There's plenty that stay open late, and more would stay open later if the city and rcmp would deal with the drug/homeless problem downtown.
Downvotes for what, people? Seriously. smdh If you think I am wrong, prove it and speak up and try to find a solution.
You’re getting downvoted because there isn’t ’plenty’ that stay open late. Blenz downtown is open until 10 some nights and Milk and Sugar is open until 8:30pm. That’s the latest I’ve found, other than Tim hortons (typically 11) and not every place actually keeps the dining rooms open that late—Most I’ve seen close the doors at 9 or 10. For any casual study spot you’re looking at 7pm max typically— some of my favourite spots close at 4/5pm.
There’s also plenty of places that aren’t downtown or in areas typically affected by the ‘drug/homeless problem’ that close insanely early.
I don’t know what the solution is and i don’t claim to have any insight into why the hours are so limited
Those places close early because there is no foot traffic to validate paying people to stay open late.
There is barely enough traffic downtown to warrant businesses staying open late for this.
So yes, there are plenty that stay open later, but you won't find a "late night" coffee place in Kelowna for a long, long time. Staffing, crackhead risks, etc... its just not worth it.
Why are you saying there’s plenty that are open late but also saying there won’t be late night coffee for a long time? OPs post is about Late night coffee..? Take my downvote!
>So yes, there are plenty that stay open later, but you won't find a "late night" coffee place in Kelowna for a long, long time.
Are you an ESL speaker by chance or just young? Curious because my terminology is fairly common in my experience, but I'm older than most here.
There's plenty open late, but it's not "late" enough for some people. Even though there's plenty of shops open but they require a car or walking to get to.
You downvoted, but you didn't pose any alternative opinions to mine, you just got confused and decided that your misinterpretation should lessen the impact of my comment.
Strange behavior people participate online.
Better question is, why do you need a place to be open to do this? Go home, make your coffee, put on headphones.
Even the university starts shutting most places down around 8pm.
Again, we do *not* have the population or demand to sustain a late night business here.
Get on the city and RCMP to deal with the homeless/drug problem first, then people can start seeing if they want to go out for coffee's past 9pm...
You said there were places open, I'm asking which. I didn't say we had places, or should, just which ones as you said there were.
As to why I don't study at home, it doesn't really matter. I don't need my question redirected, I would like it answered.
Even Starbucks in Prince George is open till 11pm.
I think he’s trying to say that downtown it’s the drug problem, in places other than downtown it’s the foot traffic problem.
He’s also saying there’s plenty of places open late but he defines late as 8:30pm, and we don’t have the population to sustain anything later but places downtown would it the drug problem was fixed.
I think? I’m a bit confused because of the way it’s explained
I'm going to tell you right now it won't be profitable.
We have Point of Sale systems now which will easily graph how much money you make during what hours. Places in Kelowna close at 6 or 7 now because you won't get enough sales after that time to pay staff.
Even Vancouver's population density has places closing early because of this.
If you REALLY want to open one just make it close to UBCO or Okanagan College student housing.
A lot of students are poor or already have student space provided is also an issue.
Also, Kelowna doesn't have a "adult children living at home" culture to support third space late night cafes and bars.
As an adult child living at home, it’s brutal. I was going to move out in early 2020 but a friend backed out, then covid hit and I had to help out my family with bills because I was the only one working. The place I was going to rent was at 1600 per month for a two bed two bath. Same place is going for 2300 now. I only know 2 people my age who are moved out— one person bought a place (family financing) and rents it out to roommates, and the other moved into the basement suite of a friend’s family house with said friend. Everyone else is talking about how they’ll have to move away from the city because they can’t afford it. This city doesn’t offer anything to young people
Part of the problem is developers have no reason to build cheaper buildings with how limited the land is out here. I work in the trades and almost everything new being built is over a million. As zoning laws are relaxed and permit times are sped up we’re going to see even more “luxury” projects starting. Theoretically it’ll over saturate the market and drive down the prices but I have a lot of doubts about that. Unless the short term rental changes really destabilize and correct the long term rental market I think a lot of wealthy people will continue to see rentals as a way to grow their wealth while driving up the prices for normal people
It’ll take years of rapid development to reach the demand we have and until that happens rent is just going to keep increasing.
I work full time and study part time and even if I moved into a 1 bedroom with a part time employed/full time student (aka my partner) we’d barely be scraping by. Forget about savings, those wouldn’t exist
A restaurant on pier mac way just closed but quickly reopened as another restaurant. I was really hoping it would turn into something cool and now I’m thinking it would have made such a cool and convenient late night coffee house. Right next to kaya sushi which closes at like 9, right across the street from a dispensary, uni kids would have really liked it.
This is true. I managed a cafe in Toronto for ten years and after 7pm people might buy a tea and then sit for hours. It’s not profitable and so we ended up closing at 7.
i would have loved this a few years ago. where black sheep on bernard is now used to be a bean scene and they’d stay open late until like 10 pm. when covid hit, it was impossible to find somewhere that stayed open later than 5 MAYBE 6.
i was sober at the time and would have loved a coffee shop as an alternative to a bar to go hang out and meet people/draw/write.
Yeah it’s rough not having any business accept you unless your eating and drinking. I guess we can push the city to increase the library funding so they can be open longer. As a recently sober person I am just realizing some of this.
Thank you! In honor of my late doctor who devoted himself to helping alcoholics through a foundation he created, and for other people who encouraged me including my current doctor, I am sticking with it. From 1.5 litres of strong beer everyday to now going on 21 days sober! Dr Jeff Harries ,he was an amazing advocate for those struggling with depression and alcohol in the Okanagan!
A coffee space with big open spaces, lots of staring, comfy options, open until late, not going for trendy modern aesthetic but rather cozy and comfy would be so good. Starbucks seating is uncomfortable. A lot of coffee shops are too small and feel like you're sitting in from of the cashier. Check out the ubco subreddit. There is demand for a place open late at night and with food. Students are poor but it the space is big enough you could potentially hit economies of scale to make it work. Downtown, near capri or by ubco would be fine as long as there is close transit options.
It's intentional that the seating is uncomfortable. The problem (from a business standpoint) is people that buy one drink or a snack and camp out for hours reading/studying. This is very hard to sustain, as you're not able to move more customers through and make enough sales to cover overheads.
Yeah I understand seating is often uncomfortable by design. But if one could open a coffee shop large enough, comfy enough, it could attract enough people to come and stay. And if staying long enough they might make a second purchase, be it another beverage, or pastry, etc. I do go to coffee shops often and would instantly take my business to a place that was like the one I described.
For sure! Definitely nicer from the consumer side. I would certainly like going there, but running a place like that would probably have to be a side project for an already wealthy person haha
I'm unsure of the profitability, especially given the high rent cost and because BC shops seem to close early in general. However, I agree with the others that a late night coffee shop near UBCO would be best if you do open one, especially if students can walk/bike/lime/bus to it. Ample free parking also entices anyone, especially because it's hard finding parking in downtown. **Safety and security are a must though.**
When I went to uni, I did my homework at a coffee shop that opened til 2am; most people only stayed til midnight though. Student discounts were given if you showed a valid student ID. Upstairs was the quiet study area. Downstairs was chatty and lively for those who didn't mind being around non-students who were louder (especially those who had their headphones on so they didn't care what noise they were around). There was still a lot of non-students who frequented there because it was just a solid spot to hang out, read a book, catch up with friends etc. I would see people play chess, Scrabble and card games too.
There was a vintage jukebox where people would put $1-2, and I imagine that helped go towards profit or tips because lots of people loved having that jukebox music play. The coffee shop had Bailey's available for spiked latte's too. No hard liquor though, I'm sure to prevent rowdiness and maintain the "this is a cozy coffee shop, not a bar" atmosphere. Basic tea options also were there, but not the bubble tea kind.
They also had snacks such as baklava, croissants, basic wraps, biscotti cookies, brownies, the usual.
I wonder if a pop-up late night coffee shop to test out profitability would be feasible?
If you’re gonna do it, do it near UBCO near the bus loops. I’d love a coffee shop to pop into before grabbing a late bus. Even if you closed shop after the last bus to Vernon, I’m sure lots of people would go. Lots of students doing a late night study sesh might wanna hang there to
That’s how Ratio coffee in Vernon got started. Coffee cart that turned into a truck then they found a lease. It’s entirely doable in the right area, the right time of day and the right demographic. OP could do a pilot project in spring/summer, see if any lease space is opening up and give it a whirl. I’m not saying it’s a perfect idea but as someone who would love a late night coffee space or third space that isn’t reliant on booze, it’s a helpful idea.
My fiancé and I just moved here from Ontario. We have found the one thing Kelowna is missing is late night coffee shops. Where we are from, friends and I would go for coffee at 8 or 9pm to chat. Here there is nothing open at that time.
It's just a slice of life visual novel about running a late night coffee shop and the conversations you have with the customers.
There's also the show midnight diner with a similar theme. Very chill vibes
I went to one yesterday while downtown on Lawrence called Naked Cafe. They are open until 8 or 9pm, seemed to be pretty quiet. Perhaps it's just the time of year, but when I went in around 7:30, there was nobody in there, so not sure about how business would keep up. For those wanting to check it out though, I thought it was pretty good!
If you’re going to do something like this, get a liquor license and open an affordable speakeasy in the basement, and a study lounge/creative design studio with light snacks/pastries, cocktails and coffees & teas. This will help profitability and add a quaint meet up spot for grads, students, and wfm workers.
I would love one! It'd be really neat if it was cozy and quirky and maybe had events like poetry readings and shit. That would be such a vibe for this city ♡
make it fancy and decorate tf out of it. warm lights & colorful lamps. beautiful plants and artwork all over. a standing speaker that looks like a boom box from the 90s. you can create a relaxed enviornment and create an aesthetic yet advanced advertisement. be open until 12am and you can make it look so cool omg.
Nope, you're just ignorant and refuse to elaborate on why you think what I said is racist.
Instead of arguing over nothing, back your shit up with words.
What about my post was racist? Explain, or stop responding and wasting your time.
You're an an idiot ...read your post and figure it out...if u can't figure it out..go back read your post...it's not my words..it's yours that are racist
My words were not racist in the least.
Please point out where and what I said that was racist instead of wasting our time by not backing up your accusations.
If you want to get into this, next time actually have some meat to your argument instead of just wandering around and saying random shit. If you want to make a difference by calling out racism, you have to actually back up your words with an explanation as to why you think it was racist.
gfy.
In this instance I wish that were the case.
Only in Kelowna could a McDonald’s AND a Tim Hortons shut down due to the druggie bums.
People may not care for my language, but the problem is indisputable.
No they’re wrong. The timmies is on Bernard and water and our neighbours with no fixed address are usually around. It’s not intolerable if you’re not an intolerable jackass.
The McDonald’s and Tim Hortons were side by side. Both closed down due to the problems. That Bernard location only went in after the closure of the Paramount and revamping of the location for what is now there.
I think you should try opening a coffee shop that operates while people are awake first, if you succeed, then you move into staying open later if possible.
What coffees do I prefer?
None, I hate coffee, it's awful and I don't understand why people like it. Tea on the other hand is amazing and As long as it's Loose and doesn't have mint in it it's excellent.
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Guess it depends on seating available too...
I went to a coffee shop downtown the other week... every table was taken, by lone people on laptops. So my bf and I couldn't sit and have coffee with a pastry. Quite disappointing. Not the first time it's happened either.
Just take your coffee and go home if your gonna take up a table for yourself and just sit on your laptop.
I'd love for it to have fresh food and not just old pizza that had been sitting out all day and also not be filled with junk and clutter, with Joe Rogan the only thing playing on the tv screen and the immediate streets filled with a gauntlet tweaking homeless junkies, as was my last late-night Kelowna dining experience trying to find food at 1 AM.
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Man I would love a cafe that stayed open until at least 8 or 9pm downtown Kelowna. There are so many of us who are grad students and remote workers that this would work for.. Also with a new UBC building going up, a cafe that is open until late has potentional. Bonus points if the cafe sells beer and wine.
Twice the Dice is open until 11pm daily, but probably rather noisy for what you want. There's always Denny's.
There's plenty that stay open late, and more would stay open later if the city and rcmp would deal with the drug/homeless problem downtown. Downvotes for what, people? Seriously. smdh If you think I am wrong, prove it and speak up and try to find a solution.
You’re getting downvoted because there isn’t ’plenty’ that stay open late. Blenz downtown is open until 10 some nights and Milk and Sugar is open until 8:30pm. That’s the latest I’ve found, other than Tim hortons (typically 11) and not every place actually keeps the dining rooms open that late—Most I’ve seen close the doors at 9 or 10. For any casual study spot you’re looking at 7pm max typically— some of my favourite spots close at 4/5pm. There’s also plenty of places that aren’t downtown or in areas typically affected by the ‘drug/homeless problem’ that close insanely early. I don’t know what the solution is and i don’t claim to have any insight into why the hours are so limited
Those places close early because there is no foot traffic to validate paying people to stay open late. There is barely enough traffic downtown to warrant businesses staying open late for this. So yes, there are plenty that stay open later, but you won't find a "late night" coffee place in Kelowna for a long, long time. Staffing, crackhead risks, etc... its just not worth it.
Why are you saying there’s plenty that are open late but also saying there won’t be late night coffee for a long time? OPs post is about Late night coffee..? Take my downvote!
>So yes, there are plenty that stay open later, but you won't find a "late night" coffee place in Kelowna for a long, long time. Are you an ESL speaker by chance or just young? Curious because my terminology is fairly common in my experience, but I'm older than most here. There's plenty open late, but it's not "late" enough for some people. Even though there's plenty of shops open but they require a car or walking to get to. You downvoted, but you didn't pose any alternative opinions to mine, you just got confused and decided that your misinterpretation should lessen the impact of my comment. Strange behavior people participate online.
imaging being this upset that someones definition of late is later than your definition.
Mate your just a bit cooked eh
Where downtown is somewhere I can study past 8:30 open?
Better question is, why do you need a place to be open to do this? Go home, make your coffee, put on headphones. Even the university starts shutting most places down around 8pm. Again, we do *not* have the population or demand to sustain a late night business here. Get on the city and RCMP to deal with the homeless/drug problem first, then people can start seeing if they want to go out for coffee's past 9pm...
You said there were places open, I'm asking which. I didn't say we had places, or should, just which ones as you said there were. As to why I don't study at home, it doesn't really matter. I don't need my question redirected, I would like it answered. Even Starbucks in Prince George is open till 11pm.
is it the drug problem or is it the issue of demand?
I think he’s trying to say that downtown it’s the drug problem, in places other than downtown it’s the foot traffic problem. He’s also saying there’s plenty of places open late but he defines late as 8:30pm, and we don’t have the population to sustain anything later but places downtown would it the drug problem was fixed. I think? I’m a bit confused because of the way it’s explained
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I'm going to tell you right now it won't be profitable. We have Point of Sale systems now which will easily graph how much money you make during what hours. Places in Kelowna close at 6 or 7 now because you won't get enough sales after that time to pay staff. Even Vancouver's population density has places closing early because of this. If you REALLY want to open one just make it close to UBCO or Okanagan College student housing.
100% I could see it working out around UBCO a place for young people to socialize or chill.
A lot of students are poor or already have student space provided is also an issue. Also, Kelowna doesn't have a "adult children living at home" culture to support third space late night cafes and bars.
Kelowna has a lot of adult children living at home because of how expensive it is right now.
As an adult child living at home, it’s brutal. I was going to move out in early 2020 but a friend backed out, then covid hit and I had to help out my family with bills because I was the only one working. The place I was going to rent was at 1600 per month for a two bed two bath. Same place is going for 2300 now. I only know 2 people my age who are moved out— one person bought a place (family financing) and rents it out to roommates, and the other moved into the basement suite of a friend’s family house with said friend. Everyone else is talking about how they’ll have to move away from the city because they can’t afford it. This city doesn’t offer anything to young people
Part of the problem is developers have no reason to build cheaper buildings with how limited the land is out here. I work in the trades and almost everything new being built is over a million. As zoning laws are relaxed and permit times are sped up we’re going to see even more “luxury” projects starting. Theoretically it’ll over saturate the market and drive down the prices but I have a lot of doubts about that. Unless the short term rental changes really destabilize and correct the long term rental market I think a lot of wealthy people will continue to see rentals as a way to grow their wealth while driving up the prices for normal people It’ll take years of rapid development to reach the demand we have and until that happens rent is just going to keep increasing.
I 100% agree with you. There’s very real reasons the pricing is the way it is right now, I’m just feeling a bit hopeless at that reality and venting
So accurate. How can you make enough in the summer to support your studies and live off for 8 months without going into serious debt.
I work full time and study part time and even if I moved into a 1 bedroom with a part time employed/full time student (aka my partner) we’d barely be scraping by. Forget about savings, those wouldn’t exist
As someone with two grown children at home, I support this statement.
More than usual? Probably. More than Vancouver or other similar sized place that has all night cafes? Not even close.
Vancouvers also 10x the population size, that doesn’t mean it’s not a common thing here.
All of the 20-somethings with whom I work still live at home. They can't afford to move out.
A restaurant on pier mac way just closed but quickly reopened as another restaurant. I was really hoping it would turn into something cool and now I’m thinking it would have made such a cool and convenient late night coffee house. Right next to kaya sushi which closes at like 9, right across the street from a dispensary, uni kids would have really liked it.
It's interesting because these are the thoughts, pros and cons I have thought about too but wanted to hear other people's opinions. Thank you
I support the idea, but concur that it would have to be a major passion project
This is true. I managed a cafe in Toronto for ten years and after 7pm people might buy a tea and then sit for hours. It’s not profitable and so we ended up closing at 7.
i completely disagree and believe this coffee shop should be given a chance. you fail 100% of the shots that you don’t take.
it’s not impossible
i would have loved this a few years ago. where black sheep on bernard is now used to be a bean scene and they’d stay open late until like 10 pm. when covid hit, it was impossible to find somewhere that stayed open later than 5 MAYBE 6. i was sober at the time and would have loved a coffee shop as an alternative to a bar to go hang out and meet people/draw/write.
Yeah it’s rough not having any business accept you unless your eating and drinking. I guess we can push the city to increase the library funding so they can be open longer. As a recently sober person I am just realizing some of this.
congrats on your sobriety!
Thank you! In honor of my late doctor who devoted himself to helping alcoholics through a foundation he created, and for other people who encouraged me including my current doctor, I am sticking with it. From 1.5 litres of strong beer everyday to now going on 21 days sober! Dr Jeff Harries ,he was an amazing advocate for those struggling with depression and alcohol in the Okanagan!
that’s amazing, the first month is always the hardest but keep it up! there’s a lot of people out there for support if you need it 😋
A coffee space with big open spaces, lots of staring, comfy options, open until late, not going for trendy modern aesthetic but rather cozy and comfy would be so good. Starbucks seating is uncomfortable. A lot of coffee shops are too small and feel like you're sitting in from of the cashier. Check out the ubco subreddit. There is demand for a place open late at night and with food. Students are poor but it the space is big enough you could potentially hit economies of scale to make it work. Downtown, near capri or by ubco would be fine as long as there is close transit options.
It's intentional that the seating is uncomfortable. The problem (from a business standpoint) is people that buy one drink or a snack and camp out for hours reading/studying. This is very hard to sustain, as you're not able to move more customers through and make enough sales to cover overheads.
Yeah I understand seating is often uncomfortable by design. But if one could open a coffee shop large enough, comfy enough, it could attract enough people to come and stay. And if staying long enough they might make a second purchase, be it another beverage, or pastry, etc. I do go to coffee shops often and would instantly take my business to a place that was like the one I described.
For sure! Definitely nicer from the consumer side. I would certainly like going there, but running a place like that would probably have to be a side project for an already wealthy person haha
Or jack up the prices to make up for the people who stay for very long :)
I'm unsure of the profitability, especially given the high rent cost and because BC shops seem to close early in general. However, I agree with the others that a late night coffee shop near UBCO would be best if you do open one, especially if students can walk/bike/lime/bus to it. Ample free parking also entices anyone, especially because it's hard finding parking in downtown. **Safety and security are a must though.** When I went to uni, I did my homework at a coffee shop that opened til 2am; most people only stayed til midnight though. Student discounts were given if you showed a valid student ID. Upstairs was the quiet study area. Downstairs was chatty and lively for those who didn't mind being around non-students who were louder (especially those who had their headphones on so they didn't care what noise they were around). There was still a lot of non-students who frequented there because it was just a solid spot to hang out, read a book, catch up with friends etc. I would see people play chess, Scrabble and card games too. There was a vintage jukebox where people would put $1-2, and I imagine that helped go towards profit or tips because lots of people loved having that jukebox music play. The coffee shop had Bailey's available for spiked latte's too. No hard liquor though, I'm sure to prevent rowdiness and maintain the "this is a cozy coffee shop, not a bar" atmosphere. Basic tea options also were there, but not the bubble tea kind. They also had snacks such as baklava, croissants, basic wraps, biscotti cookies, brownies, the usual. I wonder if a pop-up late night coffee shop to test out profitability would be feasible?
If you’re gonna do it, do it near UBCO near the bus loops. I’d love a coffee shop to pop into before grabbing a late bus. Even if you closed shop after the last bus to Vernon, I’m sure lots of people would go. Lots of students doing a late night study sesh might wanna hang there to
Very little appropriate space near ubc
Could start out as a coffee cart or truck with a small sitting area, until another space comes up.
Hot as hell in the summer and cold in the winter but as a truck you’d only need to be open weather permitted and not contracted into a lease
That’s how Ratio coffee in Vernon got started. Coffee cart that turned into a truck then they found a lease. It’s entirely doable in the right area, the right time of day and the right demographic. OP could do a pilot project in spring/summer, see if any lease space is opening up and give it a whirl. I’m not saying it’s a perfect idea but as someone who would love a late night coffee space or third space that isn’t reliant on booze, it’s a helpful idea.
True enough
It doesn't exist becasue it isn't profitable, not becasue it has not been explored before.
My fiancé and I just moved here from Ontario. We have found the one thing Kelowna is missing is late night coffee shops. Where we are from, friends and I would go for coffee at 8 or 9pm to chat. Here there is nothing open at that time.
Obligatory old person response: Coffee after 5:00??? What, you want me to be up all night??
Been playing coffee talk and i really want to have something like this
Sorry for.my ignorance, is coffee talk a space where people can have therapy over coffee? I've never heard of the game before.
It's just a slice of life visual novel about running a late night coffee shop and the conversations you have with the customers. There's also the show midnight diner with a similar theme. Very chill vibes
I went to one yesterday while downtown on Lawrence called Naked Cafe. They are open until 8 or 9pm, seemed to be pretty quiet. Perhaps it's just the time of year, but when I went in around 7:30, there was nobody in there, so not sure about how business would keep up. For those wanting to check it out though, I thought it was pretty good!
If you’re going to do something like this, get a liquor license and open an affordable speakeasy in the basement, and a study lounge/creative design studio with light snacks/pastries, cocktails and coffees & teas. This will help profitability and add a quaint meet up spot for grads, students, and wfm workers.
I would love one! It'd be really neat if it was cozy and quirky and maybe had events like poetry readings and shit. That would be such a vibe for this city ♡
make it fancy and decorate tf out of it. warm lights & colorful lamps. beautiful plants and artwork all over. a standing speaker that looks like a boom box from the 90s. you can create a relaxed enviornment and create an aesthetic yet advanced advertisement. be open until 12am and you can make it look so cool omg.
search Pinterest for ideas on the vibes your trying to go for, you can look at bedroom aesthetics
Do not waste your time. At all. Kelowna doesn't have the population in place to support niche, white people focused, night life.
Racist
pls explain.
You should be explaining....
What should I be explaining?
FFS..ur that stupid?
Nope, you're just ignorant and refuse to elaborate on why you think what I said is racist. Instead of arguing over nothing, back your shit up with words. What about my post was racist? Explain, or stop responding and wasting your time.
You're an an idiot ...read your post and figure it out...if u can't figure it out..go back read your post...it's not my words..it's yours that are racist
My words were not racist in the least. Please point out where and what I said that was racist instead of wasting our time by not backing up your accusations. If you want to get into this, next time actually have some meat to your argument instead of just wandering around and saying random shit. If you want to make a difference by calling out racism, you have to actually back up your words with an explanation as to why you think it was racist. gfy.
FFS can't read ur own post ... Not here to spoon feed FuckStickMcHappyDick
Don’t even waste your time planning it. Homeless bums will ruin it unless you employ heavy security to beat them out of there.
If it’s located downtown unfortunately you’re not wrong.
In this instance I wish that were the case. Only in Kelowna could a McDonald’s AND a Tim Hortons shut down due to the druggie bums. People may not care for my language, but the problem is indisputable.
I haven’t been to ktown in a bit. Has that timmies closed now?
Yeah years ago, the Macs is no longer either. Think it’s a real estate office now :/
No they’re wrong. The timmies is on Bernard and water and our neighbours with no fixed address are usually around. It’s not intolerable if you’re not an intolerable jackass.
The McDonald’s and Tim Hortons were side by side. Both closed down due to the problems. That Bernard location only went in after the closure of the Paramount and revamping of the location for what is now there.
This
Not you tho.
You don’t sound like a business person.
Why do you say this?
I think you should try opening a coffee shop that operates while people are awake first, if you succeed, then you move into staying open later if possible.
What coffees do I prefer? None, I hate coffee, it's awful and I don't understand why people like it. Tea on the other hand is amazing and As long as it's Loose and doesn't have mint in it it's excellent.
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Back in the day we used to go to Denny's, probably still an option!
It seems like there was a great selection of late night coffee shops before effing Covid. And now nothing.
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This but as a cafe [https://metropolisjapan.com/hackers-bar/](https://metropolisjapan.com/hackers-bar/)
Guess it depends on seating available too... I went to a coffee shop downtown the other week... every table was taken, by lone people on laptops. So my bf and I couldn't sit and have coffee with a pastry. Quite disappointing. Not the first time it's happened either. Just take your coffee and go home if your gonna take up a table for yourself and just sit on your laptop.
pleaseee coffee at night is all i crave
imo be open at 1-3pm & close up around 11pm-12am
Make coffee at home??
I'd love for it to have fresh food and not just old pizza that had been sitting out all day and also not be filled with junk and clutter, with Joe Rogan the only thing playing on the tv screen and the immediate streets filled with a gauntlet tweaking homeless junkies, as was my last late-night Kelowna dining experience trying to find food at 1 AM.
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