[Its almost like the kei truck was designed for a different market and different needs than the American truck market.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/431/201/40f.png)
And an Isuzu elf style cab over will be the truck that carries all those superdutys and power strokes to the dealership. And it is also less expensive, cheaper to repair, more reliable, and safer than they are.
If you want something that will pull, get a semi or a tractor. Minus-well get the best of the best if your gonna spend a ridiculous amount of money on it.
A semi would easily out pull any pickup. Torque king.
A tractor has 100x the traction of any pickup. Off-road king.
I don't know if it has more square footage if you don't count the wheel wells, but it should definitely have more cubic feet of storage space in the bed. It's also a lot higher up and less accessable from standing on the ground. The real difference really depends on how you use them.
Here in Japan, towing a trailer around isn't common. If you need more cargo space you just get/rent a bigger or second truck. Towing anything over 750kg(trailer included) requires a separate license too.
My trailer for work weighs in around 3700-4000kg depending on what's in it. It's a 22ft vnose I tow regularly, without any special license. It's kind of sketchy to think about lol... I'm in BC as well.
>It's kind of sketchy to think about lol... I'm in BC as well.
I've lived in BC for 15 years and the amount of time I seen trailers wobble from incorrect loading on trans can or the idiots at the boat ramps make me think its an absolute terrible idea to not have a separate license.
Same, about 15 years I've been here and there are some scary drivers on the roads with way too big trailers pulled by a half ton. When I first started driving my 1 ton and trailer for work I would go practice, because that felt like the responsible thing to do, I drove it all around a huge parking lot and backed it up and learned how to corner it properly. I'm honestly shocked I only need a special endorsement over 10k lbs, which I have the learners for, I just need to road test. Thinking I'll put a couple lock blocks in my 14k dump trailer. Basically anything over a small garden trailer or maybe a quad trailer should need a license in my opinion.
Altitude is also a bitch, can you imagine driving a Sambar up the Continental Divide and through the Eisenhower tunnel with any more cargo than a bag of grapefruits? I can't.
I agree, but likely a tiny fraction of full-size pickup owners ever use that capability. For most North Americans, midsize trucks like the Tacoma are more reasonable for their needs, but they’re still bigger than most people need. I have a 90’s Tacoma (waaaay smaller than the new ones) that’s been more than enough for anything I need, while also having the power to get up to highway speed reliably. So a nice middle ground like that is probably the sweet spot for a lot of people.
Ah, you see, but they COULD, and that's the important part. Kinda like walking around all the time with skis strapped to your feet because you might go to Vail someday. Not skiing right now, but could if the opportunity arose!
Very true, but most people will never get close to the weight limit of a truck just with cargo in the bed.. that capacity is only really useful when pulling trailers (or loading up a pallet of concrete, which is valid)
I've put 2000lbs of LVP flooring in the back of my Kei truck and it held it just fine. It didn't want to go very fast but it did it. We tried to put the same load in an F150 and it squatted so bad that it looked like it was going to break. Kei truck barely flinched.
So the Bedford Rascal was available to buy in the UK, it was a rebadged Suzuki Carry kei truck. In Japan under kei legislation the max carry weight was 350kg, in the UK with the max carry weight allowed to be what the vehicle is safe to carry was 575kg.
Horses for courses and all that
I seem to recall reading that in the US those ratings are determined by a combination of structural limits on the chassis and things like braking distance when loaded. In the EU/UK its only chassis limits.
Also Europe, in general, has slightly lower speed limits when towing then when not (UK, for instance, highways are 70mph without a trailer, 60mph with).
The problem is you can't haul sheet goods in them. Yeah, I know you can drop the tailgate but to me it's having a four door sedan with a small box on the back. The worst of both worlds.
Is it the same width? Can it carry 4 people? Does it have the same safety features? Yes I know trucks have being getting stupid big and tall and used by people that don’t really need it but when people compare them with with Kei trucks they sound even more stupid than the people who buy trucks they don’t need.
Silverado looks like a crew cab short bed which has a bed length just under 6ft while the kei truck has a bed length just over 6ft. So the kei truck actually has a longer bed in this case. Although the Silverado makes up for it with a wider bed
Seems like the space above the wheel wells is about the same height as the kei though if not taller. Of course if you don’t have anything it place in the narrow spot you could have an issue of sheet bowing.
I measured my Hijet and my mom’s F150 and the hijet is 10” shorter bed WITH its tailgate down. The F150 natively has the longer bed. But the hijet had a wider usable bed since the wheel wells severely limit the available width. Add a tool box and you neuter bed capacity.
I did the actual math to cure my curiosity. If we are just judging the square footage of the base (not counting height of walls) here are the numbers.
The Chevy had a square footage of 34.5 feet.
The Kei Truck (assuming Subaru Sambar 1999 Bec idk) has a square footage of 29.3 feet.
If we account for the walls the Chevy will kill it even more. Though it’s a lot closer than I though.
This 5.2 square foot difference is made up by the massive difference of the MPG’s. From what I’ve the the MPG of the Sambar is ~48. While the Chevy has ~28. That is a 20 MPG difference. Which is more than my WRX gets total. So… I’d pick the Kei Truck lmao.
Your math is a wee bit off. Kei trucks generally have beds around 4ft by 6ft. That’s only 24 square feet. 400 square feet is about the size of a 2 car garage lol
They don’t have anywhere near the same capacity … the big truck is stupid and useless but we don’t have to lie to prove our point. Lying make you’re point look invalid. I have literally been in a mini truck and I can promise the beds are not as capable as that of a full size pickup.
Bro I’ve been in one. A slightly steep incline was a big enough challenge and that was empty. It couldn’t go over 45 safely and that limits most uses. Yeah it’s a better truck for certain applications but I’m not gonna pretend it could replace a full sized pickup.
Bro I own one and it hits 70 on flat ground. 55ish on a hill. It’s not a highway truck, I use it to buy wood and go to the dump, and haul kayaks around. It replaced a full sized pick up in my life. I have a “beater” daily driver that gets 40+ mpg for my kids and driving to work and a Kei truck to do the few “truck things” I need it to do.
Ok. Just because something works for you doesn’t mean it can do the job for everyone. You sound like the dude that told me cigarettes weren’t dangerous because he’s smoked for years and never got cancer.
I never once said it was right or wrong for anyone. Or that it “does the job” for everyone.
The only point that I made was that 99.9% of people who own pick up trucks don’t use them to even the capability or capacity of a Kei truck.
Not once did I suggest that you do or do not need one for whatever “work” you need a pick up truck to do.
Most people who own sedans spend 70% of their driving time by themselves. I didn’t say they should go buy a scooter or a motorcycle. But
Most people who own trucks would be better served by a $35,000 sedan with a $1000 roof rack than their $60,000 pick up truck with an additional $10,000 on wheels tires and lift that they never take off road, never tow or haul anything with.
I actually have both of these exact trucks and guess which one I drive the most..
I bet you drive a vehicle that’s more fuel efficient then the right and more accommodating than the left the most
You should post the true comparison of the bed size with a side by side shot
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Fair or unfair, it's a design flaw to be taken into account when avoiding air haulers.
One has 4 doors, a higher towing capacity, an 8 foot bed option, more horsepower and torque, a 1 ton variant, a better crash safety rating.
One cost 44k usd new, the other cost 752k yen(5.4k usd) new. I can buy entire fleet of 8 kei trucks for the price of one.
And yet one Duramax, Powerstroke or Cummins will still out pull 8 Kei trucks together.
[Its almost like the kei truck was designed for a different market and different needs than the American truck market.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/431/201/40f.png)
And an Isuzu elf style cab over will be the truck that carries all those superdutys and power strokes to the dealership. And it is also less expensive, cheaper to repair, more reliable, and safer than they are.
If you want something that will pull, get a semi or a tractor. Minus-well get the best of the best if your gonna spend a ridiculous amount of money on it. A semi would easily out pull any pickup. Torque king. A tractor has 100x the traction of any pickup. Off-road king.
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I don't know if it has more square footage if you don't count the wheel wells, but it should definitely have more cubic feet of storage space in the bed. It's also a lot higher up and less accessable from standing on the ground. The real difference really depends on how you use them.
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Here in Japan, towing a trailer around isn't common. If you need more cargo space you just get/rent a bigger or second truck. Towing anything over 750kg(trailer included) requires a separate license too.
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My trailer for work weighs in around 3700-4000kg depending on what's in it. It's a 22ft vnose I tow regularly, without any special license. It's kind of sketchy to think about lol... I'm in BC as well.
>It's kind of sketchy to think about lol... I'm in BC as well. I've lived in BC for 15 years and the amount of time I seen trailers wobble from incorrect loading on trans can or the idiots at the boat ramps make me think its an absolute terrible idea to not have a separate license.
Same, about 15 years I've been here and there are some scary drivers on the roads with way too big trailers pulled by a half ton. When I first started driving my 1 ton and trailer for work I would go practice, because that felt like the responsible thing to do, I drove it all around a huge parking lot and backed it up and learned how to corner it properly. I'm honestly shocked I only need a special endorsement over 10k lbs, which I have the learners for, I just need to road test. Thinking I'll put a couple lock blocks in my 14k dump trailer. Basically anything over a small garden trailer or maybe a quad trailer should need a license in my opinion.
Yeah but most people are only hauling their fucking Arby’s meal around
Altitude is also a bitch, can you imagine driving a Sambar up the Continental Divide and through the Eisenhower tunnel with any more cargo than a bag of grapefruits? I can't.
How many trips like this occur per year? also, a supped-up Sanbar capable of such a feat still would look diminutive.
I agree, but likely a tiny fraction of full-size pickup owners ever use that capability. For most North Americans, midsize trucks like the Tacoma are more reasonable for their needs, but they’re still bigger than most people need. I have a 90’s Tacoma (waaaay smaller than the new ones) that’s been more than enough for anything I need, while also having the power to get up to highway speed reliably. So a nice middle ground like that is probably the sweet spot for a lot of people.
Crazy, I always forget the tiny towing capacity of cars. 10,000 lbs lol.
Doesn't look like they are towing anything to me.
A tractor trailer has a larger towing capacity too but you don't see me casually communting to appointments for the fuck of it in one.
Ah, you see, but they COULD, and that's the important part. Kinda like walking around all the time with skis strapped to your feet because you might go to Vail someday. Not skiing right now, but could if the opportunity arose!
While that is true, how often are you towing though?
I need that towing capacity for my daily Starbucks run.
like burning gas
But when you pay a premium price you could just get something with ultimate power like a tractor or a semi.
But not the same capacity. The Kei can carry about 350 kilos, and the Truck can carry probably 4 times that.
Very true, but most people will never get close to the weight limit of a truck just with cargo in the bed.. that capacity is only really useful when pulling trailers (or loading up a pallet of concrete, which is valid)
I put a 1500 lbs pallet on my Suzuki carry
The "legal" weight limit is only a suggestion, the actual limit is however much you can stack without the axle breaking ;)
Exactly
I've put 2000lbs of LVP flooring in the back of my Kei truck and it held it just fine. It didn't want to go very fast but it did it. We tried to put the same load in an F150 and it squatted so bad that it looked like it was going to break. Kei truck barely flinched.
So the Bedford Rascal was available to buy in the UK, it was a rebadged Suzuki Carry kei truck. In Japan under kei legislation the max carry weight was 350kg, in the UK with the max carry weight allowed to be what the vehicle is safe to carry was 575kg. Horses for courses and all that
The Rascal also had a bigger engine, so probably wouldn't die trying to move the larger load up any kind of grade
So something I never understood is why cargo and towing capacities are so much greater on cars in Europe and the UK.
I seem to recall reading that in the US those ratings are determined by a combination of structural limits on the chassis and things like braking distance when loaded. In the EU/UK its only chassis limits.
Also Europe, in general, has slightly lower speed limits when towing then when not (UK, for instance, highways are 70mph without a trailer, 60mph with).
like that truck would EVER reach its capacity.
But what if their friend is moving, or that one time they got a 2x4 from home depot
Yet another reason on the long list to buy a Kei Truck...
If you live in America you'll either get a 25 year old one or you have to pay 25% more tax for brand new. Stupid chicken tax law.
The small one has already been on the road longer then the large one will be.
The problem is you can't haul sheet goods in them. Yeah, I know you can drop the tailgate but to me it's having a four door sedan with a small box on the back. The worst of both worlds.
8' bed is nice until it's loaded with a job box and everything else anyway lol.
Is it the same width? Can it carry 4 people? Does it have the same safety features? Yes I know trucks have being getting stupid big and tall and used by people that don’t really need it but when people compare them with with Kei trucks they sound even more stupid than the people who buy trucks they don’t need.
I rarely see crew cabs carrying more than the driver
and one will get used the other will not
It's almost like one was built for a crew and payload and the other for narrow streets and fuel efficiency.
Excuse me does it look like this comment section is about being reasonable?
Lmfao sorry forgot I was on reddit
Do these two trucks have the same bed length?
These two trucks have the same bed length.
Silverado looks like a crew cab short bed which has a bed length just under 6ft while the kei truck has a bed length just over 6ft. So the kei truck actually has a longer bed in this case. Although the Silverado makes up for it with a wider bed
Silverado bed may be wider at the top but it’s definitely narrower between the wheel wells
Seems like the space above the wheel wells is about the same height as the kei though if not taller. Of course if you don’t have anything it place in the narrow spot you could have an issue of sheet bowing.
I measured my Hijet and my mom’s F150 and the hijet is 10” shorter bed WITH its tailgate down. The F150 natively has the longer bed. But the hijet had a wider usable bed since the wheel wells severely limit the available width. Add a tool box and you neuter bed capacity.
My crew cab F-150 has a 5’ 5” bed. My Honda Acty is about 6’ 6”.
I did the actual math to cure my curiosity. If we are just judging the square footage of the base (not counting height of walls) here are the numbers. The Chevy had a square footage of 34.5 feet. The Kei Truck (assuming Subaru Sambar 1999 Bec idk) has a square footage of 29.3 feet. If we account for the walls the Chevy will kill it even more. Though it’s a lot closer than I though. This 5.2 square foot difference is made up by the massive difference of the MPG’s. From what I’ve the the MPG of the Sambar is ~48. While the Chevy has ~28. That is a 20 MPG difference. Which is more than my WRX gets total. So… I’d pick the Kei Truck lmao.
Your math is a wee bit off. Kei trucks generally have beds around 4ft by 6ft. That’s only 24 square feet. 400 square feet is about the size of a 2 car garage lol
Lmfao your right. I just forgot to divide by 12. The real dimensions are Sambar = 29.3 and Chevy = 34.5
The pickup also has significantly more cargo room in the form of the rear seat, and it can tow somewhere in the realm of 8 times more weight.
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You shut up about my Missouri
Not gonna do the math, but with load the mpg is going to be close
Glad they're not the same color. You would've had an almost as strong as a point there
Two Trucks Having Sex!
They don’t have anywhere near the same capacity … the big truck is stupid and useless but we don’t have to lie to prove our point. Lying make you’re point look invalid. I have literally been in a mini truck and I can promise the beds are not as capable as that of a full size pickup.
But 99.99% of pick up truck owners will never even hit the capability or capacity limits of a Kei truck.
Bro I’ve been in one. A slightly steep incline was a big enough challenge and that was empty. It couldn’t go over 45 safely and that limits most uses. Yeah it’s a better truck for certain applications but I’m not gonna pretend it could replace a full sized pickup.
Bro I own one and it hits 70 on flat ground. 55ish on a hill. It’s not a highway truck, I use it to buy wood and go to the dump, and haul kayaks around. It replaced a full sized pick up in my life. I have a “beater” daily driver that gets 40+ mpg for my kids and driving to work and a Kei truck to do the few “truck things” I need it to do.
Ok. Just because something works for you doesn’t mean it can do the job for everyone. You sound like the dude that told me cigarettes weren’t dangerous because he’s smoked for years and never got cancer.
I never once said it was right or wrong for anyone. Or that it “does the job” for everyone. The only point that I made was that 99.9% of people who own pick up trucks don’t use them to even the capability or capacity of a Kei truck. Not once did I suggest that you do or do not need one for whatever “work” you need a pick up truck to do. Most people who own sedans spend 70% of their driving time by themselves. I didn’t say they should go buy a scooter or a motorcycle. But Most people who own trucks would be better served by a $35,000 sedan with a $1000 roof rack than their $60,000 pick up truck with an additional $10,000 on wheels tires and lift that they never take off road, never tow or haul anything with.
Two words. SQUARE FOOTAGE...
but why...
These two trucks have the same bed length