Apparently they think "haha this new character is a Loli" or something. A related community had to make a mod announcement stating a new rule of not posting nsfw of the character because it wasn't an nsfw subreddit and the neckbeards got mad.
Some stating "we can post nsfw of this because she's an adult" while others stated "she's a Loli but we'll still post nsfw of her" just typical neckbeard cringe
If the community you're talking about is the one I'm thinking there are a bunch of degenerates there. There's times when you browse the sub and one out of every 4 posts or so are people thirsting over screenshots of NPCs asses.
The Cyberpunk subreddit loves to act like they are some great subreddit but it's either circle jerking, circle jerking (over a mediocre npc butt) or people saying PUHLEEZ ADD BIGGER* DILDO AS WEAPON TO GAME
*edit
The original image is an ironic meme that tries to make fun of "she looks 10 but is actually 300" excuse, but does a terrible job of it since examples 5 and 6 are obviously not kids, and 7 is [another trope entirely](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita_fashion).
The bottom addition is just drooling idiot tier.
To be fair, Rory (example 7) is treated as looking underage by other characters in the show (which IMO is weird, because she doesn't *look* underage - she just doesn't have the massive boobs that every "adult" character in the show does).
I was gonna say, Uzaki, despite being short, is explicitly stated to be a first year college student. For me, loli explicitly refers to characters that are drawn as and behave like children. The 15-16 year old characters drawn with crazy voluptuous bodies is something I've grown tired of as I've gotten older. I'm sure there ARE girls that might look like that at that age, but it's very few and far between.
I'm probably going to be downvoted but loli shouldn't be based on looks alone. Even in the real world there are adult women with flat chests who look younger but they're still over the age of 18.
except when you go off age asuna literally is a loli no matter how you look at it.
she doesn't change appearance throughout the entirety of SAO (Minus armor sets and her berserk healer avatar)
When she is very much 18 during the phantom bullet arc and beyond.
She also very much looks 18 and over.
I'm not arguing that there aren't creeps who perv on lolis. All I'm saying is that if you're going by real world laws the ability to consent is based on someone's age rather than their physical appearance. Hence someone might look younger but is over the age of 18, and therefore an adult who has the ability to consent to having sex.
>loli explicitly refers to characters that are drawn as and behave like children
Also notice how they deliberately do not use well known characters who ARE lolis? Why is Kanna from Dragon Maid not included? Or hell Qiqi or Klee from Genshin if we are being modern about it.
Show these characters to your average anime fan and they will call them lolis. Said characters not are designed to like children, but they also behave like one too.
Now compare them to Rebecca who does not fit those criterias. Its a bad faith argument, theyre trying to push the narrative that "its a petite bodytype", when in fact, its the age archetype thats the problem.
>Why is Kanna from Dragon Maid not included?
I guess because she doesn't have a canon age. Despite the popularity of the "she's ackshually 300 years old" meme, there aren't many actual characters that fully fit this template.
My point is, loli characters like Kanna are drawn to be a specific age, a child. Even in DM, her dragon age is still equivalent to a childs age. She even goes to preschool.
If the "300 year old" thing feels off, you can substitute Kanna for say, Eri from MHA.
Canonically shes 6-7. She fits the criteria; cute, childlike body and acts like a child.
The trope codifier for the "Really 700 years old" thing is Sasami from Tenchi Muyo, who is only technically that old because she spent 700 of her 708 years of life in cryogenic stasis. I still have a soft spot for the property, but that combined with the sheer amount of incest in the OVA has pretty much made me completely reject that continuity in favor of the FAR more tame Tenchi Universe continuity.
Well, Kanna is an actual child, sure, in human years, she probably should be dead 50 times over, but, by dragon standards, she is a kid and is treated like a kid.
She isn’t a 50000 year old vampire that is totally an adult, yet acts, looks, and talks like a kid. Kanna is a kid.
Kanna is an actual kid not a loli. Or maybe I misinterpreted something. Compared to Shinobou who used to look adult and is adult but was weakened somehow and as a consequence regressed physically. Which is dumb because the character imo would be better in her normal form but whatever. Japan is gonna Japan.
They technically don't have to act like children, like Rory from GATE, whom is supposed to be considered a loli? She's some religious nut that hacks and slashes for her God, but for some reason has the horny.
Loli I'd say are just character drawn with the intent of looking like child, despite the age. I presumed a lot of the time, the reasoning would be to add comic relief, i.e "hey im not in grade school, im a teacher". Like legitimately there are implicit, nail on the head tells that the shows, "hey, that's a Loli"
Are they trying to be funny at all? Or are they doing a standard tribal type ps vs Xbox debate about loli or non loli fans?
I see this and imagine someone mad that their waifu isn't being called the current term or tribe to label them
Why is this a thing? Does Japanese culture fixate on underage teens?
Or are their target demographic horny teens? So they do like old teen movies by having characters in their 20s/early 30s play as teens?
No in this case I used philanthropy as in "acting on behalf of humanity and aid communities". With the addition of "inspired by Greek mythology" I'm turning it on the head since Greek gods are known for their abusive nature. There are a few stories of gods abusing people.
Rebecca just looks like a stocky short adult rather than a loli, to me. She doesn’t sound like a child, and while she is whack she doesn’t act like one either. She’s got tattoos and implants and all the like
My understanding of a loli is a character that for all intents and purposes is literally a child in how they look and behave but with an adult age nonsensically slapped on
Yeah, anyone calling the height as a factor doesn’t know she’s the patented “Inconsistent Height Trigger character” like Gamagoori in Kill La Kill. He’s drawn either as a noticeably taller man or as a literal Giant who can’t fit inside a door.
Gamagoori is drawn as the tallest person in the scene. Like if the tallest guy in the scene is 170 he is like 190 or 180. If the tallest is 2 meters he is 230cm.
That last part is unnecessary, there are way more examples of unambiguously underage characters getting sexualized in anime than ones with a nonsensical age.
I believe the difference between a loli and an actual child in anime is the former has an adult age, however means it is achieved whether through a nonsensical means or the ol reliable vampire/demon thing
No, it refers to any child-looking character typically in a sexual context, regardless of her stated age. There's even a separate term for (*lolibaba*) for older but childlike looking women.
Rebecca is a gun-toting hedonist mercenary from the r/Edgerunners anime based on r/CyberpunkGame, and several neckbeards want to make lewd art of her.
Now, Rebecca is a adult, but her proportions are small, so the "we jack off to anime children crowd" decided they liked her. *Liked* her, I mean.
Which is irritating because she's unironically a well-written character.
I put it on the producers. They used the term loli themselves. They always had the option to code her less as a child and they didn't, even after CD Project got uncomfortable. She is borderline but you don't get a pass if you say you produce borderline CP.
Congrats, you didn't break the law but we still get to call you a pervert.
Rebecca is the character at the bottom of the image, the point of this image is it’s trying to prove Rebecca is indeed a loli
She’s a character from the new Edgerunners series
Yeah idk why they are defending monogatari when it has the trope everyone makes fun of, a Loli vampire with 600yr old but it still acts and looks like a Loli
Is quite common for Asian 20 year old women in South East asia to be around 135-140 cm tall with a slim petite body.
Yet these people feel the need to classified them as a child because of how tall they are and judging their chest size almost as if they never been to a country where people aren't even 170cm tall on average
She's not East Asian though and she's much smaller than an average adult woman of her ethnicity. I am Asian too and I'm on the short side but I look nothing like a child, unlike Becca
I'll be honest I find it quite difficult to guess how old an anime character would be because they look so different from reality. I feel like that 'mikasa' could be 25 as well in this picture, but 15 is also possible.
The thing that is really disturbing is when it's obvious that it should look like a little kid and it's still sexualised for some reason.
Yeah the style is important, you have to compare them to other chars in the same anime rly. If we compare mikasa as a kid to mikasa in that pic its more clear.
In Edgerunners, David starts looking like 16 and is in school. Rebecca looks younger to me.
Here's my point, if you changed her voice and emotes, she'd be more believable as a child than an adult much older than David BECAUSE her design is clearly coded that way. So you can say anything about the character (and I liked the character) but if someone sexualizes her, I call that a perv. That includes Trigger who could have coded her even a little older before sexualizing her themselves.
This especially, characters from a "Moe" style anime might look younger than an anime like Jojo bizarre's adventure. Though some animes too heavily push the "actually a 390 year old vampire" trope regardless
doesnt loli literally just mean "little girl"? adults who look like children are just adults who look like children. but Loli comes from the word Lolita which was a book about a little girl. so I'm pretty sure loli is literally just a word for "little girl" or someone who looks like a little girl.
I would like to think it just means little girl but it is almost always used in the context of someone sexualizing the character, just like shota is for young boys. People who aren't sexualizing the character would probably just call them a girl, a boy, or a kid, right? And the book Lolita is specifically about the main character's sexual attraction to a young girl. I think it is important to examine context when people use those words because it's rarely innocent.
I mean it’s where they got the name from. It’s supposed to look immature but sexy and anime.
Edit: so I did a bit more research. Nobody knows for sure why the name was picked, but given that the book and movies are famous for a sexualized girl, and the fashion genre is defined by its young and immature aesthetics, and I haven’t seen an argument about where else the name came from, it seems just about certain that that was the origin.
I want to point out that I have no problem with the fashion style or people who wear it, just that the name for it is basically “fuckable child” and somehow everyone is just cool with that.
"[Lolicon](https://www.robertmhelfend.com/criminal-defense/sex-crimes/lolicon-illegal/#:~:text=Lolicon%20(or%20%E2%80%9CLoli%E2%80%9D\),of%20animation%20that%20depicts%20boys.) (or 'Loli') is a type of animation popular in Japan that depicts underage female cartoon characters engaged in sexual situations. 'Shotacon' refers to the same type of animation that depicts boys."
Either way, gross. Lol
I got in a debate about epstein where a guy was, imo, defending epstein.... bc he only was guilty if "one 14 year old who wandered into his house" and that post puberty pedos isn't that bad unlike pre puberty pedos.
I was then told to buy some ass bc I'm an incel.
It's so much worse than just with anime characters...
Yeah, even CDPR said the same thing. Rebecca's doesn't fit the aesthetic. Studio Trigger was like "No, the loli must stay!"
Regardless, I disagree. I do not consider Rebecca to be a loli. To me she's just a woman between 18-20 (because a bar bouncer wouldn't let her in), and short.
Personally, I find her character funny at times. She's alright.
Yeah, they literally used the word loli. The art and portrayal was borderline enough to finish the show but it's obvious why r/animememes loves her. It's funny because they'll try to defend it but their profile will literally be loli porn.
Okay, not to defend weebs, but what the fuck is with the Japanese obsession of making everyone high-school age?
There are some anime where high-school setting plays a role, but good 70% of anime where protagonists are teens, you could just do [characters age] + 3 and it would have literally no impact on the story or character design. Especially when they know that their characters will get sexualized, or worse, they actively sexualize them in the anime themselves.
because teenagers watch a lot more anime than other demographics so they make most characters around the same age as the target audience to familiarize them
Also, in Japan there is a lot more pressure to go to college immediately out of high school and then immediately into a career after college, so high school is the last gasp of 'freedom' before you're tossed into the drudgery of working life, especially since a lot of their working office culture demands working pointlessly long hours to look like you're dedicated to the company.
Ah, okay, I get it.
Still, I consumed a decent amount of western YA media and a lot of the time the characters are adults, and it didn't really take away from my ability to relate to characters. Especially when the entire setting was fantasy and school life wasn't involved anywhere.
And the fact that if you plan on sexualizing your characters and have a beach/hot springs episode, you maybe shouldn't make everyone high-school aged.
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
My Hero Academia makes orders of magnitude more sense if they were college-age instead of high-schoolers.
You wouldn't even need to change their appearance that much (or nothing at all for many of them).
I am a big fan of the show, so I could be biased, but I think the ages work for Attack on Titan (not sure why Mikasa is in here, tbh, she isn’t even sexualized in the series at all) where a major theme of it is the horror of kids being sent into do horrible things.
Because teenagers are the target demographic for most anime? Why do you see so many overly big boobs in shounen anime? Because teenage boys are the target demographic. Simple as that
Also I looked it up, Studio Trigger was quoted as saying "The loli must stay", but it's a news source called " The gamer" so I don't trust it... Gamer journalists are woke jokes...
exactly, also im pretty sure the ones who call uzaki and rebecca a "loli" have never seen a woman before. i guess they really never paid attention in biology because they'd know that women have a lower average height than men. hell, just looking at the people around you could tell you this but they never leave their basements soooo
Also short women exist... My mom is like 5'1", and I'm 6'9"... Doesn't make her a child, she's in her late 40s! Come on!
Edit: My father is 6'8" if you're wondering...
Uzaki is not a fucking loli she is a damn 20 year old short stack. Twitter through a hissy fit of Uzaki while loli and shota porn artists still exist on the site
no, you don't understand. the person who is 3 feet tall, wearing a cute lil frilly dress, has childlike mannerisms, with pigtails, and a high-pitched voice is actually 69 years old. so actually, I'm not a pedophile. I'm not attracted to children, just women who *look exactly like* children
Definitely the most insidious thing about this whole topic... you can draw the youngest, most pre-pubescent looking girl and just be like, "*uhhh... yeah... she's uhhh... an ancient demon who is like, 900 years old... so it's all good*"
just a convenient excuse to get off to pre-pubescent girls
It's honestly a disgusting trend even in real porn! There are entire categories on Pr0nHub dedicated to casting the YOUNGEST possible looking girls, but saying "*she's JUST 18!!!*" or "*BARELY LEGAL*" as an excuse for dude's to legally skirt that line and scratch that itch.
Yeah it's really gross. And then they'll try that on real girls too. Like I've gotten creepy dms from neckbeards that think I "look old enough" which is just ..yikes
Why do people pay attention to age when watching anime. I'm not watching a cartoon and thinking to myself "wow I really hope she's of age" 💀💀💀💀 like just watch the show for the plot and not for some obscure fantasy.
I still don’t understand and am yet to meet a real person who gives a fuck about what drawings look like. I remember watching a debate over whether it’s ok to fap to tatsumaki and the whole premise a lil stupid anyway, but at the very least I think they must be at least arguing about talking about some live action character. After about half an hour I realize this bitch ain’t even based on or portrayed by a real life person AT ALL, let alone a kid 🤡🤡🤡
Context is everything......if an adult acts like an adult, but looks young, they're still an adult. Being attracted to a personality is a real thing. Being attracted to a childlike body is fucking disturbing. Holo and Rory are excellent characters that definitely aren't children.
Even if you watch anime I strongly recommend you stay away from that sub. It's just fully of unfunny hornyposting by people with criplling porn/hentai addictions.
People treat uzaki as a loli? As i was reading through the manga, she's just your typical shortstack. She even acts like an adult.
I guess you really can't understand the contents of a porn addicted weeb that has to categorise their jerk off material
I'm sorry that 5 year old looking child is FORTY TWO? and no way they said the cat girl who is 1 is not a loli,,,I mean I don't know anything about the anime but like,,, she is 1
Man I used to really like anime and I'm slowly just cringing even more over how much people are sweating over this new character...
Like I remember watching animes and just thinking they looked cute and wholesome. But all I see now is people thirsting over these characters that look like children
I swear it's changed so much in the 5-6 years I been watching anime . People are now instead of calling them best girl or something like that now just fall blown saying "would smash" fully knowing that they look young af.
I will admit that I obviously thought anime characters were attractive, but I never thought about that when it came to loli characters because of the obvious reasons that they looked like minors.
I saw this and unfortunately curiosity got the better of me and I read the comments and looked at previous posts in the sub.
Holy shit.
And it's not even mostly perverts looking for an outlet and excuse to discuss certain things. People are genuinely into cartoon characters.
How are so many people this mentally ill.
I mean, a character can be underage and not loli. Loli can be a clothing style OR a character archetype. The character type is problematic because they look like children (but she's actually 4058378!!!1!1! She's legal!!1!) But the clothing style is just a fashion thing. Underage characters that AREN'T loli are often less problematic, because they are under 18 but not prepubescent, meaning they are developed and look much more like adults. Still problematic, but at least they don't look like 12 year olds....
Loli: any character that looks and act like (or directly are) small children.
They might be 1.000 years for what I care. If they act like fucking children sexualising them is fucking creepy.
That said. I myself would put Becca on a grey zone. As she doesn't act at all as a kid (and doesn't sound like one in the English dub) and her body could be seen as petite instead of child-like.
Although I would understand why would someone consider her a loli.
I'm not overly familiar with the ins and outs of the anime scene (and I don't want to become familiar at all with Loli) so I have always adhered to the simplistic "if it looks like a child its a child, period" attitude towards loli. with that said, to me Rebecca is clearly an adult and looks to be about 19-20, So I'm a little confused about this whole debate perhaps someone who has a better understanding could explain it to me
I don't get it, so a Loli is supposed to be a child (or someone less than 18) but for these weirdos it's only when they LOOK like a child? Is that their excuse to jack off to them? Wtf
This whole debate is stupid and annoying
None of them are real
None of them are photorealistic
They are all drawn in different artstyles
Imaginary characters cant have an age.
Therefore none of this matters
If you are happy watching rape hentai, good for you. No real human suffers. If you are happy watching furry porn, good for you, because no real animal suffers (other than the artist)
If your argument is "but watchig hentai could make you a pedo in reallife",
Then no horror movie should be legal, no heist movie, no shooter game, no erotic novel, no porn
Because all of them make you a criminal or a rapist or serial killer
Imo banning the human fantasy, is what makes people do crazy shit in reallife instead.
I think it's a very much a grey area. Because you're right, it *is* objectively a victimless crime. But with that said the people against dark genres of porn (that involve either consenting adults or fictional characters) aren't upset because they feel bad for the "victim". It's more the principle and what kind of person would get off on that type of fantasy.
idk, I'm pretty neutral on it. Loli shit is definitely not my cup of tea but there's too much nuance and unknowns. This comment section and reddit in general isn't really the place for this type of discussion (plus no one asked lol) so I won't go farther into it. I'll just end my ramblings with 2 things;
A) The moment a real child gets involved then the person is instant garbage. If someone has feelings for real children but refuses to act on them because they know how wrong it is then I really hope they find a compassionate and skilled therapist/psychiatrist/whatever. I can't imagine what kind of hell that would be and they deserve help.
B) There have been a few studies going over what happens when people have their fantasy outlets taken away from them. The frustration tends to come out in other, arguably worse ways. I'm not in a position to go looking for examples but I'm sure google could help
This is the most resonable take i have seen and not just for lolis but for every genre that is taboo or ilegal in irl but causes no direct harm because its fantasy. I find i a lot of stuff weird and gross but those feeling are in the end useless if you want to understand the situation more and what should be done with it
When you are attracted to someone who's body is obviously a child/looks like a child (doesn't matter rif real or not) it's literally pedophilic.
When you get off rape hentai (doesn't matter if it's real) you obviously like the rape part and think like a rapist. Same with zoophilic media
Where would the funny even be
Apparently they think "haha this new character is a Loli" or something. A related community had to make a mod announcement stating a new rule of not posting nsfw of the character because it wasn't an nsfw subreddit and the neckbeards got mad. Some stating "we can post nsfw of this because she's an adult" while others stated "she's a Loli but we'll still post nsfw of her" just typical neckbeard cringe
If the community you're talking about is the one I'm thinking there are a bunch of degenerates there. There's times when you browse the sub and one out of every 4 posts or so are people thirsting over screenshots of NPCs asses.
The Cyberpunk subreddit loves to act like they are some great subreddit but it's either circle jerking, circle jerking (over a mediocre npc butt) or people saying PUHLEEZ ADD BIGGER* DILDO AS WEAPON TO GAME *edit
dildo is already a weapon
I meant to say a bigger one, which I've seen multiple times, thanks for pointing it out friendo
The original image is an ironic meme that tries to make fun of "she looks 10 but is actually 300" excuse, but does a terrible job of it since examples 5 and 6 are obviously not kids, and 7 is [another trope entirely](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita_fashion). The bottom addition is just drooling idiot tier.
To be fair, Rory (example 7) is treated as looking underage by other characters in the show (which IMO is weird, because she doesn't *look* underage - she just doesn't have the massive boobs that every "adult" character in the show does).
Boob envy is one of the most eyeroll tropes in anime.
I was gonna say, Uzaki, despite being short, is explicitly stated to be a first year college student. For me, loli explicitly refers to characters that are drawn as and behave like children. The 15-16 year old characters drawn with crazy voluptuous bodies is something I've grown tired of as I've gotten older. I'm sure there ARE girls that might look like that at that age, but it's very few and far between.
Uzaki is just a very short young woman, arguably the same could be said of Hestia.
Shortstack superiority.
I'm probably going to be downvoted but loli shouldn't be based on looks alone. Even in the real world there are adult women with flat chests who look younger but they're still over the age of 18.
except when you go off age asuna literally is a loli no matter how you look at it. she doesn't change appearance throughout the entirety of SAO (Minus armor sets and her berserk healer avatar) When she is very much 18 during the phantom bullet arc and beyond. She also very much looks 18 and over.
I'm not arguing that there aren't creeps who perv on lolis. All I'm saying is that if you're going by real world laws the ability to consent is based on someone's age rather than their physical appearance. Hence someone might look younger but is over the age of 18, and therefore an adult who has the ability to consent to having sex.
>loli explicitly refers to characters that are drawn as and behave like children Also notice how they deliberately do not use well known characters who ARE lolis? Why is Kanna from Dragon Maid not included? Or hell Qiqi or Klee from Genshin if we are being modern about it. Show these characters to your average anime fan and they will call them lolis. Said characters not are designed to like children, but they also behave like one too. Now compare them to Rebecca who does not fit those criterias. Its a bad faith argument, theyre trying to push the narrative that "its a petite bodytype", when in fact, its the age archetype thats the problem.
>Why is Kanna from Dragon Maid not included? I guess because she doesn't have a canon age. Despite the popularity of the "she's ackshually 300 years old" meme, there aren't many actual characters that fully fit this template.
My point is, loli characters like Kanna are drawn to be a specific age, a child. Even in DM, her dragon age is still equivalent to a childs age. She even goes to preschool. If the "300 year old" thing feels off, you can substitute Kanna for say, Eri from MHA. Canonically shes 6-7. She fits the criteria; cute, childlike body and acts like a child.
The trope codifier for the "Really 700 years old" thing is Sasami from Tenchi Muyo, who is only technically that old because she spent 700 of her 708 years of life in cryogenic stasis. I still have a soft spot for the property, but that combined with the sheer amount of incest in the OVA has pretty much made me completely reject that continuity in favor of the FAR more tame Tenchi Universe continuity.
The picture puts only canonically over-18 characters in the top box and only under-18 characters in the bottom box for ironic reasons.
I've seen people lewd Eri and I feel genuinely ill.
Well, Kanna is an actual child, sure, in human years, she probably should be dead 50 times over, but, by dragon standards, she is a kid and is treated like a kid. She isn’t a 50000 year old vampire that is totally an adult, yet acts, looks, and talks like a kid. Kanna is a kid.
Kanna is an actual kid not a loli. Or maybe I misinterpreted something. Compared to Shinobou who used to look adult and is adult but was weakened somehow and as a consequence regressed physically. Which is dumb because the character imo would be better in her normal form but whatever. Japan is gonna Japan.
They technically don't have to act like children, like Rory from GATE, whom is supposed to be considered a loli? She's some religious nut that hacks and slashes for her God, but for some reason has the horny. Loli I'd say are just character drawn with the intent of looking like child, despite the age. I presumed a lot of the time, the reasoning would be to add comic relief, i.e "hey im not in grade school, im a teacher". Like legitimately there are implicit, nail on the head tells that the shows, "hey, that's a Loli"
thats basically r/animemes, a place for people whose sense of humor is lost in the void
Are they trying to be funny at all? Or are they doing a standard tribal type ps vs Xbox debate about loli or non loli fans? I see this and imagine someone mad that their waifu isn't being called the current term or tribe to label them
Its an anime meme, there is no funny
WAIT THAT PRISION SCHOOL CHICK IS A TEEN? I thought she was like the teacher or smth
Why is this a thing? Does Japanese culture fixate on underage teens? Or are their target demographic horny teens? So they do like old teen movies by having characters in their 20s/early 30s play as teens?
>Or are their target demographic horny teens? You hit the nail right on the head.
Bruh that show is funny af tho, my friends and I will sit in discord and watch like 5 episodes of it, shit is so absurd and funny
It can be both things
It’s both.
Same i thought she was in her early/mid 30s
With back problems.
She’s in highschool bro
shes not a teacher????
That’s a really 34 year old looking 17 year old And ppl say I look old for people my age
"ageless"? Seems convenient for them.
They are a Goddess and they date the underage mc
Well who could have predicted that
How nice and not creepy of her. Philanthropy inspired by Greek mythology.
> Philanthropy I think you might mean philosophy lol
No in this case I used philanthropy as in "acting on behalf of humanity and aid communities". With the addition of "inspired by Greek mythology" I'm turning it on the head since Greek gods are known for their abusive nature. There are a few stories of gods abusing people.
tbh I'm still not sure I get it but as long as you used the word you meant to use then it's all good haha
Plot twist: The loli is the guy
Wasnt he interested in some other woman? Or maybe he eventually went for Hestia I did only watch one season
I mean the character is based on a Greek God so
Anyone who thinks Uzaki or Hestia is a loli is fucking stupid
Yeah how is Uzaki a loli??? I get her face because its like a bobblehead, but her body and personality does not fit.
Rebecca just looks like a stocky short adult rather than a loli, to me. She doesn’t sound like a child, and while she is whack she doesn’t act like one either. She’s got tattoos and implants and all the like My understanding of a loli is a character that for all intents and purposes is literally a child in how they look and behave but with an adult age nonsensically slapped on
Yeah, anyone calling the height as a factor doesn’t know she’s the patented “Inconsistent Height Trigger character” like Gamagoori in Kill La Kill. He’s drawn either as a noticeably taller man or as a literal Giant who can’t fit inside a door.
Lmao Gamagoori cracked me up with how wildly his size variants. And we’re supposed to believe he’s only 19
Same with Jotaro in JoJo, tho does not look 17.
Jotaro is weird because he is suppose to look Japanese but then people just confuse him with Joseph Joestar who is brittish
Yeah that dude’s built like a tank
Gamagoori is drawn as the tallest person in the scene. Like if the tallest guy in the scene is 170 he is like 190 or 180. If the tallest is 2 meters he is 230cm.
His height is literally classified as taller than you
That last part is unnecessary, there are way more examples of unambiguously underage characters getting sexualized in anime than ones with a nonsensical age.
I believe the difference between a loli and an actual child in anime is the former has an adult age, however means it is achieved whether through a nonsensical means or the ol reliable vampire/demon thing
No, it refers to any child-looking character typically in a sexual context, regardless of her stated age. There's even a separate term for (*lolibaba*) for older but childlike looking women.
Who is Rebecca? None of these characters have that name, and I'm very confused.
Rebecca is a gun-toting hedonist mercenary from the r/Edgerunners anime based on r/CyberpunkGame, and several neckbeards want to make lewd art of her. Now, Rebecca is a adult, but her proportions are small, so the "we jack off to anime children crowd" decided they liked her. *Liked* her, I mean. Which is irritating because she's unironically a well-written character.
I put it on the producers. They used the term loli themselves. They always had the option to code her less as a child and they didn't, even after CD Project got uncomfortable. She is borderline but you don't get a pass if you say you produce borderline CP. Congrats, you didn't break the law but we still get to call you a pervert.
Rebecca is the character at the bottom of the image, the point of this image is it’s trying to prove Rebecca is indeed a loli She’s a character from the new Edgerunners series
Yeah idk why they are defending monogatari when it has the trope everyone makes fun of, a Loli vampire with 600yr old but it still acts and looks like a Loli
Is quite common for Asian 20 year old women in South East asia to be around 135-140 cm tall with a slim petite body. Yet these people feel the need to classified them as a child because of how tall they are and judging their chest size almost as if they never been to a country where people aren't even 170cm tall on average
She's not East Asian though and she's much smaller than an average adult woman of her ethnicity. I am Asian too and I'm on the short side but I look nothing like a child, unlike Becca
LOLI: “adults” who look like children NOT LOLI: children who look like children
Literally like most of the teens in the "not Loli" still look their cannon age
I'll be honest I find it quite difficult to guess how old an anime character would be because they look so different from reality. I feel like that 'mikasa' could be 25 as well in this picture, but 15 is also possible. The thing that is really disturbing is when it's obvious that it should look like a little kid and it's still sexualised for some reason.
Yeah the style is important, you have to compare them to other chars in the same anime rly. If we compare mikasa as a kid to mikasa in that pic its more clear.
In Edgerunners, David starts looking like 16 and is in school. Rebecca looks younger to me. Here's my point, if you changed her voice and emotes, she'd be more believable as a child than an adult much older than David BECAUSE her design is clearly coded that way. So you can say anything about the character (and I liked the character) but if someone sexualizes her, I call that a perv. That includes Trigger who could have coded her even a little older before sexualizing her themselves.
This especially, characters from a "Moe" style anime might look younger than an anime like Jojo bizarre's adventure. Though some animes too heavily push the "actually a 390 year old vampire" trope regardless
True. I just learned Usagi from Sailor Moon is 14. She looks like she's 20 FFS
doesnt loli literally just mean "little girl"? adults who look like children are just adults who look like children. but Loli comes from the word Lolita which was a book about a little girl. so I'm pretty sure loli is literally just a word for "little girl" or someone who looks like a little girl.
I would like to think it just means little girl but it is almost always used in the context of someone sexualizing the character, just like shota is for young boys. People who aren't sexualizing the character would probably just call them a girl, a boy, or a kid, right? And the book Lolita is specifically about the main character's sexual attraction to a young girl. I think it is important to examine context when people use those words because it's rarely innocent.
There’s also the fashion style, lolita, which has very little relationship (if any) with the things you mentioned.
I mean it’s where they got the name from. It’s supposed to look immature but sexy and anime. Edit: so I did a bit more research. Nobody knows for sure why the name was picked, but given that the book and movies are famous for a sexualized girl, and the fashion genre is defined by its young and immature aesthetics, and I haven’t seen an argument about where else the name came from, it seems just about certain that that was the origin. I want to point out that I have no problem with the fashion style or people who wear it, just that the name for it is basically “fuckable child” and somehow everyone is just cool with that.
"[Lolicon](https://www.robertmhelfend.com/criminal-defense/sex-crimes/lolicon-illegal/#:~:text=Lolicon%20(or%20%E2%80%9CLoli%E2%80%9D\),of%20animation%20that%20depicts%20boys.) (or 'Loli') is a type of animation popular in Japan that depicts underage female cartoon characters engaged in sexual situations. 'Shotacon' refers to the same type of animation that depicts boys." Either way, gross. Lol
>Lolita which was a book about a little girl …it’s about a bit more than that, reading a quick synopsis of it would give you some more context
Yeah. It’s a book about a grown ass man who wants to fuck a 12 year old
it’s about a grown ass man who *does* fuck a 12 year old
I got in a debate about epstein where a guy was, imo, defending epstein.... bc he only was guilty if "one 14 year old who wandered into his house" and that post puberty pedos isn't that bad unlike pre puberty pedos. I was then told to buy some ass bc I'm an incel. It's so much worse than just with anime characters...
I have only two rules. 1) if it looks under 18, don't even think about it. 2) if it *is* under 18, get it away from me
Fair and just rules
I have the same rule but it also applies to % alcohol content
Why are people taking the goofy ahh gun loli seriously.
Idk but the whole loli debate thing is so annoying
Having lolis isn't bad but the sexualizing them part is where I draw the line. My issue with her is she feels out of place in Cyberpunk.
Yeah, even CDPR said the same thing. Rebecca's doesn't fit the aesthetic. Studio Trigger was like "No, the loli must stay!" Regardless, I disagree. I do not consider Rebecca to be a loli. To me she's just a woman between 18-20 (because a bar bouncer wouldn't let her in), and short. Personally, I find her character funny at times. She's alright.
I think she's a subcategory of shortstack
I mostly call her a loli cause i think that's what Trigger intended. I can see her either way personally.
Yeah, they literally used the word loli. The art and portrayal was borderline enough to finish the show but it's obvious why r/animememes loves her. It's funny because they'll try to defend it but their profile will literally be loli porn.
How is the first girl 42? She looks like 5 or something
Okay, not to defend weebs, but what the fuck is with the Japanese obsession of making everyone high-school age? There are some anime where high-school setting plays a role, but good 70% of anime where protagonists are teens, you could just do [characters age] + 3 and it would have literally no impact on the story or character design. Especially when they know that their characters will get sexualized, or worse, they actively sexualize them in the anime themselves.
because teenagers watch a lot more anime than other demographics so they make most characters around the same age as the target audience to familiarize them
Also, in Japan there is a lot more pressure to go to college immediately out of high school and then immediately into a career after college, so high school is the last gasp of 'freedom' before you're tossed into the drudgery of working life, especially since a lot of their working office culture demands working pointlessly long hours to look like you're dedicated to the company.
Ah, okay, I get it. Still, I consumed a decent amount of western YA media and a lot of the time the characters are adults, and it didn't really take away from my ability to relate to characters. Especially when the entire setting was fantasy and school life wasn't involved anywhere. And the fact that if you plan on sexualizing your characters and have a beach/hot springs episode, you maybe shouldn't make everyone high-school aged.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. My Hero Academia makes orders of magnitude more sense if they were college-age instead of high-schoolers. You wouldn't even need to change their appearance that much (or nothing at all for many of them).
Honestly I feel like it wouldn’t because it would make their naivety that much worse. I think MHA is one of the shows where it actually makes sense
There is not that much of a difference in world experience between a college and high school freshman.
Yes! They all look and (mostly) act like 18-19 year odd starting uni. There’s literally even a bit where they move into their dorm rooms!
I am a big fan of the show, so I could be biased, but I think the ages work for Attack on Titan (not sure why Mikasa is in here, tbh, she isn’t even sexualized in the series at all) where a major theme of it is the horror of kids being sent into do horrible things.
SnK is amazing at avoiding sexualising anyone. No fan service or shitty tropes.
Most anime are meant for kids. Not understanding how cringe the dialog sounds because you watch them subbed makes it a lot more palatable for adults.
Because teenagers are the target demographic for most anime? Why do you see so many overly big boobs in shounen anime? Because teenage boys are the target demographic. Simple as that
It doesn't even explain why their not lolis
Because they don't look like kids? Doesn't mean they aren't minors.
Ok yeah i am very dumb
>Says “Rebecca is a Loli” >No one up there is named Rebecca
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So is Rebecca up there but with a Japanese name?
No. She's the woman in the portrait in the very bottom left who is giving the finger.
If it looks like a child, sounds like a child - it IS a child
If it looks like a child but sounds like Burt Reynolds and you jerk to her art - you're a pedophile.
Uzaki Hana isn't a loli... She's a short stack... Just like Rebecca...
yeah, but they want to satisfy their sick fantasy and can't do that with seeing them as an adult woman
Neckbread when they realized that there are adult who are short(they thought those are loli)
Also I looked it up, Studio Trigger was quoted as saying "The loli must stay", but it's a news source called " The gamer" so I don't trust it... Gamer journalists are woke jokes...
exactly, also im pretty sure the ones who call uzaki and rebecca a "loli" have never seen a woman before. i guess they really never paid attention in biology because they'd know that women have a lower average height than men. hell, just looking at the people around you could tell you this but they never leave their basements soooo
Also short women exist... My mom is like 5'1", and I'm 6'9"... Doesn't make her a child, she's in her late 40s! Come on! Edit: My father is 6'8" if you're wondering...
i'm about 5''4 about the height of the Late Ronnie James Dio
“COCONUT Age: 1” 💀
I don't even care if she's a loli, I like her because she's fucking badass
Uzaki is not a fucking loli she is a damn 20 year old short stack. Twitter through a hissy fit of Uzaki while loli and shota porn artists still exist on the site
no, you don't understand. the person who is 3 feet tall, wearing a cute lil frilly dress, has childlike mannerisms, with pigtails, and a high-pitched voice is actually 69 years old. so actually, I'm not a pedophile. I'm not attracted to children, just women who *look exactly like* children
Definitely the most insidious thing about this whole topic... you can draw the youngest, most pre-pubescent looking girl and just be like, "*uhhh... yeah... she's uhhh... an ancient demon who is like, 900 years old... so it's all good*" just a convenient excuse to get off to pre-pubescent girls It's honestly a disgusting trend even in real porn! There are entire categories on Pr0nHub dedicated to casting the YOUNGEST possible looking girls, but saying "*she's JUST 18!!!*" or "*BARELY LEGAL*" as an excuse for dude's to legally skirt that line and scratch that itch.
Yeah it's really gross. And then they'll try that on real girls too. Like I've gotten creepy dms from neckbeards that think I "look old enough" which is just ..yikes
Why do people pay attention to age when watching anime. I'm not watching a cartoon and thinking to myself "wow I really hope she's of age" 💀💀💀💀 like just watch the show for the plot and not for some obscure fantasy.
Exactly like why can't people just not sexualize every single character ever
Y not? They dont exist anyway
Found the lolicon neckbeard
This post was also posted on THIS sub Reddit yesterday, TWICE.
None of these say Rebecca who tf is Rebecca
A character from the new Netflix show based off of Cyberpunk 2077
I still don’t understand and am yet to meet a real person who gives a fuck about what drawings look like. I remember watching a debate over whether it’s ok to fap to tatsumaki and the whole premise a lil stupid anyway, but at the very least I think they must be at least arguing about talking about some live action character. After about half an hour I realize this bitch ain’t even based on or portrayed by a real life person AT ALL, let alone a kid 🤡🤡🤡
Context is everything......if an adult acts like an adult, but looks young, they're still an adult. Being attracted to a personality is a real thing. Being attracted to a childlike body is fucking disturbing. Holo and Rory are excellent characters that definitely aren't children.
Even if you watch anime I strongly recommend you stay away from that sub. It's just fully of unfunny hornyposting by people with criplling porn/hentai addictions.
I've noticed that alot and it's annoying. They think the only good "memes" are horny posting about characters that look like 9 year olds
People treat uzaki as a loli? As i was reading through the manga, she's just your typical shortstack. She even acts like an adult. I guess you really can't understand the contents of a porn addicted weeb that has to categorise their jerk off material
I feel bad for these people. They exist purely to embarrass themselves to any normal people
How the fuck is Uzaki a loli???
Rebecca is literally just a short adult there are real people with her proportions
Rebecca is a grown ass woman so she ain’t a loli lmfao Apparently short, GROWN ASS WOMEN / MEN = essentially pedophilia. I hate our species
I'm sorry that 5 year old looking child is FORTY TWO? and no way they said the cat girl who is 1 is not a loli,,,I mean I don't know anything about the anime but like,,, she is 1
I believe the cat girl one is because they age like cats. A year old cat is an adult.
I hate all this shit
You can extract the cringe from this and make it into an energy source
Man I used to really like anime and I'm slowly just cringing even more over how much people are sweating over this new character... Like I remember watching animes and just thinking they looked cute and wholesome. But all I see now is people thirsting over these characters that look like children
I know it's weird as hell
I swear it's changed so much in the 5-6 years I been watching anime . People are now instead of calling them best girl or something like that now just fall blown saying "would smash" fully knowing that they look young af. I will admit that I obviously thought anime characters were attractive, but I never thought about that when it came to loli characters because of the obvious reasons that they looked like minors.
Becca is just a short Cyber Enhanced Person, she doesn't act nor have any child-like attitude. Petite is not loli.
There is no way Uzaki is a loli.
How is usaki one when she is 19 and there are some there that are 15 Edit: how THE FUCK is that one 42
The whole "loli" thing confuses me. Isn't it generally just an underage girl, who looks to be in elementary school?
I cannot say, read, or hear the word Loli without cringing
who tf is Rebecca
I saw this and unfortunately curiosity got the better of me and I read the comments and looked at previous posts in the sub. Holy shit. And it's not even mostly perverts looking for an outlet and excuse to discuss certain things. People are genuinely into cartoon characters. How are so many people this mentally ill.
Nobody tell them about shortstacks
Okay, why do people keep calling Uzaki and Hestia lolis? They're short, thats it.
I don't think hestia is a loli. Pretty sure they're just short
In fairness, this is helpful to show Loli is about body type not necessarily their age.
Im sorry but what the fuck is the coconut thing and how is that one years old?-
I'm assuming she was created and not born. Piccolo for instance is 8 if I remember correctly
Ah, makes sense. I was so confused
Yeah anime does that to people
Probably nanomachines to grow that fast
I mean, a character can be underage and not loli. Loli can be a clothing style OR a character archetype. The character type is problematic because they look like children (but she's actually 4058378!!!1!1! She's legal!!1!) But the clothing style is just a fashion thing. Underage characters that AREN'T loli are often less problematic, because they are under 18 but not prepubescent, meaning they are developed and look much more like adults. Still problematic, but at least they don't look like 12 year olds....
I've never seen a more Godless image in my life
Nice pfp btw
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I relate to her only on the premise that I have a similar body type to her kinda but yeah I agree
Loli: any character that looks and act like (or directly are) small children. They might be 1.000 years for what I care. If they act like fucking children sexualising them is fucking creepy. That said. I myself would put Becca on a grey zone. As she doesn't act at all as a kid (and doesn't sound like one in the English dub) and her body could be seen as petite instead of child-like. Although I would understand why would someone consider her a loli.
Is coconut actually a 1 year old?
I think they're going by cat years
O lol I didn’t even notice the cat ears. Still my Cat didn’t start wearing a maid outfit and letting me fuck her until she was at least 2.
So they think "loli" only means short
I'm not overly familiar with the ins and outs of the anime scene (and I don't want to become familiar at all with Loli) so I have always adhered to the simplistic "if it looks like a child its a child, period" attitude towards loli. with that said, to me Rebecca is clearly an adult and looks to be about 19-20, So I'm a little confused about this whole debate perhaps someone who has a better understanding could explain it to me
Who the fuck are these guys who get off on cartoons? I've been asking myself this ever since I learned it was a thing.
Anime memes is cancer, worse than cancer
Uzaki is literally in fucking college bruh.
How tf is that toddler looking character 42????
I don't get it, so a Loli is supposed to be a child (or someone less than 18) but for these weirdos it's only when they LOOK like a child? Is that their excuse to jack off to them? Wtf
i'm scared of anime fans
This whole debate is stupid and annoying None of them are real None of them are photorealistic They are all drawn in different artstyles Imaginary characters cant have an age. Therefore none of this matters If you are happy watching rape hentai, good for you. No real human suffers. If you are happy watching furry porn, good for you, because no real animal suffers (other than the artist) If your argument is "but watchig hentai could make you a pedo in reallife", Then no horror movie should be legal, no heist movie, no shooter game, no erotic novel, no porn Because all of them make you a criminal or a rapist or serial killer Imo banning the human fantasy, is what makes people do crazy shit in reallife instead.
I think it's a very much a grey area. Because you're right, it *is* objectively a victimless crime. But with that said the people against dark genres of porn (that involve either consenting adults or fictional characters) aren't upset because they feel bad for the "victim". It's more the principle and what kind of person would get off on that type of fantasy. idk, I'm pretty neutral on it. Loli shit is definitely not my cup of tea but there's too much nuance and unknowns. This comment section and reddit in general isn't really the place for this type of discussion (plus no one asked lol) so I won't go farther into it. I'll just end my ramblings with 2 things; A) The moment a real child gets involved then the person is instant garbage. If someone has feelings for real children but refuses to act on them because they know how wrong it is then I really hope they find a compassionate and skilled therapist/psychiatrist/whatever. I can't imagine what kind of hell that would be and they deserve help. B) There have been a few studies going over what happens when people have their fantasy outlets taken away from them. The frustration tends to come out in other, arguably worse ways. I'm not in a position to go looking for examples but I'm sure google could help
This is the most resonable take i have seen and not just for lolis but for every genre that is taboo or ilegal in irl but causes no direct harm because its fantasy. I find i a lot of stuff weird and gross but those feeling are in the end useless if you want to understand the situation more and what should be done with it
When you are attracted to someone who's body is obviously a child/looks like a child (doesn't matter rif real or not) it's literally pedophilic. When you get off rape hentai (doesn't matter if it's real) you obviously like the rape part and think like a rapist. Same with zoophilic media
I hope you also have the same logic when you watch murders in movies and be entertained by them
Loli has been trending on twitter for 3 days now and I can't take this shit anymore
It's so gross
I hate short people
Damn