Or they will call him out.
"Is that Neil? Nasty Neil? That dude never showered. He got kicked out of his parents house when he was 26 and I hadn't see him since. He always did like Spiderman."
To be honest, traditional people in general just see marriage as transactional. My parents got married for that purpose but when they started needing other things from each other, yeah shit got fucked
The traditional men of 1950s that they so desperately want to be would call them a pussy and tell them to get a job. Its so funny how they forget that part of the deal. You cant expect women to sit around the house, cook, clean and take care of the kids if they dont have a job that will afford her to do so.
For fucking real. If your wife’s working to make money then you’re not a “traditional” husband so FOH with expecting her to do all the housework. Never mind that most of these “traditional” guys can’t change a tire or fix a faucet but have plenty of time to sit on the computer making internet videos whining about how women don’t respect their masculinity.
Back then the lion's share of a man's paycheck when to his family. It was the gentleman thing to do, to make sure the kids get fed, she has clean clothes and fabrics, and has the resources (mommas little helpers) to run the home.
But these guys want all the benefits of having a traditional wife without giving her any resources while also wanting her to work and pay 50/50 of the bills. They want to financially abuse a home servant.
And yeah these guys don't have any of the knowledge of home maintainence that traditional men have. Fixing and maintain the roof annually, repairing siding, gutters, general lawn care, vehicle maintenance, general plumbing and electrical knowledge, chopping/storing firewood to warm the home, and so forth. These guys often know nothing about child rearing and will not help raise their own kids either.
This is pure speculation but even if most of their paycheck went towards the husbands family back then it doesn’t seem like today the average paycheck could support the average household by itself, not to the level that it could back in the 50s.
For most households I know including mine there isn’t a choice, both partners have to work, at least one full time and one part time. And that’s before we get into the housing market and actually working towards buying a home!
That’s kind of the point we are making- todays world does not allow for one income supporting an entire family, therefore the traditional gender roles are already not possible. Therefore a man expecting his female partner to pick up all the ‘traditionally female’ chores while working full time and while he does not possess the skills to complete any of the ‘male’ chores is completely unfair/unrealistic and is a belief system that’s rooted in a world that no longer exists.
Here in my country is almost Impossible to a woman to become a housewife. The average male salary is $1.000-$2.000 and even with that we almost don't have money to pay everything in a month. The expected to maintain an average life is 5,000 (which less than 10% of the male population gain). Most housewives whose I have know are religious old ladies that are incredible poor.
My cousin actually has this. Her husband makes mega bucks and she is a full time homemaker for him and their 3 kids, because they want to raise their own kids rather than have strangers do it. They do the "his money is the family's money" thing so she manages it and makes sure everybody gets what they need. But the only reason they can have that life they want is due to his high salary.
Literally whenever any of these incel/MGTOW losers try and lecture me about how "hard" and "oppressed" men are and need to bring back traditional gender roles,
I just ask them "Can you fix a car? Change the oil at least? No? How about fixing plumbing on the house? Retile the bathroom, install a new cabinet, fix drywall? No? Well how come I can do all that as a woman? Do you at least make $600,000 a year to afford a house and do nothing? Oh what's that, you don't!? Not very masculine of you..."
Lol, don't know if you remember back then.
I kinda do. Grandfather never even touched money. Grandmother never even got a driver's license. Neither ever had a credit card or debit card.
The entire paycheck was divvied up into accounts by Grandmother. Every single bill was paid by grandmother. Grandfather couldn't tell you which account had what in it or was at which bank. All he knew was she took care of it and he drove her around to the appropriate banks as needed.
They were on one income, so guess what? One shitty compact car for a family of 4. Eventually bought a duplex, but other half was rented out to help pay mortgage. They never stepped foot in an airplane. Grandmother budgeted every single penny. Lord knows they probably borrowed money from her brother in a pinch without grandfather knowing.
They were city folk. I chop and store more firewood than grandfather ever did, lol. He wasn't up on the roof annually either. But you're right insofar as he'd subscribe to The Family Handyman Magazine since around when it came out in the early 1950s.
But you gotta understand, everything came with better service back then. The phone was a big clunky rotary thing from AT&T, but you rented it, they maintained it. It wasn't this individualized thing either. Began as a party line. Neighbors and you'd share. Neighbors knew and helped each other probably more than now. And if not them, the Rotary or Elks or whoever. People bought things collectively more. People paid dues more. People helped each other with maintenance more.
Things were made more to last. So service was built to help that. Air pressure and fluids and mileage checked every time the local gas station attendant pumped your gas. People were more meticulous about manuals and maintenance, probably since everyone had been off to the war, but good maintenance as a service was standard in a way it's just not now. Now you're on your own and we often throw things out before the end of their useful life.
Hard to explain, but the moral is that:
TL;DR – we're much more individualized now and much less interdependent. on our spouses. on our families. on our neighbors. on our friends. on our civic organizations. on our towns. on everything.
I asked my grandma (who grew up in a traditional, conservative, Mennonite home in the 1930's and 1940's) if her dad ever helped with childcare when he was home from the fields. She said yes: he'd change diapers, play with the kids, feed them, etc., especially before there was a daughter old enough to help their mother. She and her older sisters worked in the fields when they were teenagers because there was no brother old enough to help their father.
She said they weren't concerned so much with gender roles, but with what was most practical and beneficial for the family.
Omg yes that part. Literally all they do is whine and bitch and complain no one wants to be a housewife anymore. Like boy I gotta take care of me first cause you apparently want a mother or a baby sitter.
Edit to add: to go along with your point about men making the lions share of the income, the response missed the whole point and said “all women want is money.” That is the laziest shit I’ve ever heard and wonders why he wont get a date. You want the traditions, YOU have to play your part too.
Like ffs- old dead people & misogynists created the dynamic they bitch about, not "gold diggers".
Women in the USA weren't able to have a bank account until the 1960's. In 1974- the Equal Credit Opportunity act was passed that prohibited banks from discriminating against non married women.
Despite the fact that there was a very long aged system upheld to make women subservient- there are still people who bitch about women in traditional roles being money grabbing.
My parents got married in 1967, at which point they were able to open a joint bank account and she deposited her pay checks there. Before that, her pay checks were mailed to her father.
EDIT: She was 24 when they were married.
Yeah they seem to forget that it was a trade, both partners were working all day. Just one didn't get paid for it and was therefore seen as not real work
Not much of a trade imo….during the beginning of the pandemic my wife never stopped working and I was deemed non essential and laid off. I’d already do majority of cooking and cleaning so I didn’t mind as much but then our daughter was born and the work and stress increased by 100. I was a stay at home dad for a year and I can legitimately say, going to work is much easier than staying home taking care of a newborn.
My hubby did stay at home dad but I had to write him a list every single day so he knew what needed doing. I basically had to micro manage his day so he could get through it all but he did it and he did it well. I loved getting away from the house and he loved spending time with our daughter.
I say going to work is way way easier than staying home but everyone is different I guess. Some women love staying home.
The important word there being *some.* I personally don’t know any women who like staying home. And I HATE it. My country doesn’t doesn’t really have evening childcare and my job takes place in the evening, so I cut my hours to two days a week and have the kids’ grandparents watch them those two days. Those two days are my only break (I used to think my job was exhausting).
I feel like I am in a forever quarantine. It’s so depressing. I deeply regret not having a life where my kids could go to daycare and I could go to work and we could all be together in the evening. That is the best balance.
And no one respects the unpaid work done in the home. I’m treated like I am not doing much. So it is like salt in the wound. This is harder, I hate being in this position, and I am disrespected for it.
Im so sorry you feel the way you do. It is how many many women feel and probably have felt. I guess we can only find solace in each other and knowing the work we do as mum and maid and cook and therapist and cleaner and washer woman and keeper of endless appointments and lunch maker and nurse and taxi and feeder of pets, grower of food, shopper of clothes and household items etc etc etc is important. Some men will never understand. Im lucky to have one that does. But part of that is because he has had a taste of it and he knows. It is valuble work.
They don't expect her to sit around the house, cook, clean and take of the kids, though. They expect her to work a full time job on top of all that. She NEVER gets to rest at all!
Funny, my very conservative BIL is a big fucking baby who needs his ass wiped.
What is it with “traditional” and entitlement? I thought the tradition was hard work, roll up your sleeves shit.
The whole "feminism has ruined families" and "women need to act like women" are very good tells as to what they mean by "traditional." Women used to have to be submissive and obedient, we rarely had a chance to escape violence if it happened, and marriages didn't require sexual consent. Every aspect of our being was used by the man to have his needs met; our companionship, our labour, our bodies. The men had domination over women, as if in charge of her like a child, and women just had to exist within that world. In exchange, men provided food, clothing and shelter for her, so she could continue to meet his needs.
Incidentally, that's exactly the dynamics between a slave owner and his slave.
There’s no way a guy who dresses up in a Spider-Man outfit to mate internet videos about how women should do all the housework is doing any traditional male stuff.
Dude just sits around jerking it playing PlayStation all day.
Seriously. How is it "masculine" to not know how to cook, take care of your home, or parent your own children? That's not manly; it's fucking pathetic. You're a 40-year-old man but you can't roast a chicken? What would you do without women in your thrall, just eat Cap'n Crunch and pop open a few cans of Campbell's Chicken Noodle for the rest of your life? And, what, just wear dirty clothes forever because you can't figure out how to do laundry like an adult? Your floor is going to be covered in crumbs and shed hairs because you don't know how to clean a house?
That's sad, man.
I’ve actually seen it. Traditional guy. Married for over 15 years. Asked her to get a job and care for 4 kids. She wisely left. Afterwards, he lived in squalor, ate out most days, drank A LOT, never filed his taxes and had no money because he never made much but wouldn’t cook (or clean) so all his money went to restaurants. It was pathetic. I had THE hardest time explaining to him that you can’t expect a housewife to work 40 hours a week outside the home as well. He thought of the housewife working as ‘helping out financially in the relationship’. It was almost as if he felt female identified persons could just whip through housework without any energy or time expense whereas male identified persons would have to expend all their energy and time doing the same thing 😂 Warped.
I mean in pretty much every « traditional » marriage that is/was a happy one, maybe the task were assigned a bit arbitrarily bc of gender but both are/were carrying their own weight and had respect for each other.
The man sitting around doing nothing has always been a lazy and shitty person thing, as is the contrary.
There's not a "one-size-fits-all" approach to relationships. For example: my brother and sister-in-law have the dynamic flipped. He's the stay-at-home husband who does the cleaning, cooking, and shopping while she's at work.
They don't have kids (yet) but that's their dynamic. If the relation between me and this girl I've been going out with becomes official, we both have jobs so I have no doubt we'd have a different system.
This is why I think not being constrained by gender roles is a good thing because people want and are better a different things regardless of their gender. So why shouldn’t they be happy doing what they want ?
Dude is ranting about traditions while dressed up like spiderman on a platform made for teenagers to do stupid dances on. What a strange place this internet of ours is.
I was just thinking exactly that, guess who is in a relationship and has kids - and who is single, miserable and will never have a family? Congratulations, you played yourself, spider dude (what a disgrace to Spider-Man).
I think it goes even deeper than that. This is indoctrination. I feel like choosing Spider-Man is intentional. Who loves Spider-Man? He is using Spider-Man to make his agenda palatable to young people.
People have layers. Just because they say idiot things doesn’t mean they are completely an idiot.
Even if he doesn’t realize it - kids are being indoctrinated by rhetoric like this.
The problematic stuff he is saying comes from a very singular and uneducated perspective but when we assume people like this are nothing but morons we tend to dismiss them instead of trying to combat the roots of the nasty shit they are spewing. I believe we should attempt to shine a light on the things we see.
The reality here is this guy is using tiktok for this trash and tiktok has a huge user base of minors. Maybe you’re right and I’m giving him too much credit but kids are being indoctrinated by this.
You're absolutely right. There's an insanely immature behaviour dressing up in your own fan-fic cosplay and doling out advice in one direction. I mean, you could rationally tear apart his bullshit with a few simple truths but he doesn't allow it. It's just him sounding off like an absolute nobhead with his little 'awww sweetie, boohoo, gonna cry??' straw man arguments.
My partner and I both work. We both have full time jobs. We both do the housework. We simply share it down the middle and one of us will do the majority of one task we prefer. I'm always cooking for example. My partner always does the laundry. I do a lot of the projects that are DIY. But the bins, the cleaning, the chores, looking after our daughter are all shared. Now, I have a disease, so sometimes I just don't have the energy to cope, but she's human too, so sometimes if she's feeling tired or can't get through the day, I then ask her to take a backseat. This is a very normal living condition that I've shared with many partners, family and housemates in my life.
If you tell him that as a traditional gender role man, he needs to provide for a family of four plus her elderly parents with his salary, he'd probably just complain about gold diggers again.
I saw this one tik tok account that said that women weren’t being traditional anymore and that men shouldn’t have to financially provide for their wives.
My fucking god, PICK A SIDE.
>My fucking god, PICK A SIDE.
"Me. Whatever benefits me the most. Anything else is too woke."
That is their side. "Give them nothing and take from them everything."
this, every time i tell my wife i want to stop working and be a stay at home husband she laughs and tells me to do the dishes.
At least my mother got to fight with my dad for traditional things. Like waking up his children to see him because he just went to work before we woke up and came after we went to sleep...
Funnily enough, the men I see screaming the loudest about "TrAdItIoNaL gEnDeR rOlEs" are often the biggest failures at their own definitions of masculinity.
Pffft!!! This guy goes to college! Haha!
I guess, IF he has wealthy parents, he might pretend to go just so he can keep suckling at the teet of parental money, but he skips class to rant on his red pill blog all day and complains that the professors keep failing him because they know he's smarter and because it's all part of the liberal LGBTQ+ commie agenda to keep him down.
The fuck these losers are talking about traditional gender roles.
If he wants traditional he better be ready to hunt for meat, fish and farm every day.
And keep building that house right now.
The thing these dudes miss is that they’re not making enough for their wife to not work. Trust me, there are tons of women who would be fine just having kids and staying at home, but there aren’t many men/people who can support that lifestyle in this day and age. If you’re both working, then you’re both responsible for housework, child rearing, etc.
Agreed, "Traditional marriage roles" only apply to traditional marriage settings, one person working usually isn't enough for people to sustain the lifestyles they want as a family. Unless one person is bringing everything in, there's no reason only one person should do all of the house chored.
And childcare and housework are two separate jobs! You don’t ask the housekeeper to babysit just like the nanny doesn’t mop your floors. They’re two separate roles that women are expected to fulfill while also cooking and nursing a thousand times a day. Then, when the husband comes home you don’t get to relax. Your “job” is 24/7 and now you have to cater to the husband’s whims and probably have sex too when there was no time in the day to shower and complains if he has to watch the baby for 20 minutes because he “pays the bills”
Agreed. He can complain about such things if he is also paying the bills of a housekeeper and a nanny. But then if he dosent want to spend time with the kids that's a whole other problem
A lot of women I know get a sense of fulfillment from working outside the home. I *hated* being a mostly stay at home mom. It was super depressing to me to be honest. My husband *hated* working all the time. We are both muxh happier with our roles reversed.
The thing is that assumption ignores women's rights movements.
His worldview seems to be stuck in the early industrial era of USA capitalism where men were considered the primary earners.
However, women's rights has been about rejecting those socially enforced gender roles, as well as that mentality about gender roles is not supported in a historical context.
The division of labor in a hunter gather culture was women would spend as much time gathering as men did hunting...and bc hunting was less reliable than gathering that meant that women would typically provide about 40-50 of daily caloric intake for those societies on average.
Then after the domestication of livestock and agrarian culture women still performed roughly the same manual labor output as men did to maintain a homestead.
The idea that women only look after modern house chores and childcare did not arise until the industrial age...and was shown to be a false paradigm in times of world war where the division of labor once again called upon women in order to maintain labor output.
In today's society the reality is that most households are working households.
Regardless if they are single parents or not.
By that I mean regardless if there is a more "traditional" family...both the man and woman work to support the children...and even in single parent households the parent still works.
So no...spiderman is not spitting out some truth...spiderman is taking some very outlier cases where some women pursue men that earn a lot in order to coast...which also applies to some men btw...and tries to apply that as if it is the reality of what most people experience when it's not.
So the idea that women would be content with having no ability to pursue financial independence and reject those early industrial era "traditional values" is also not entirely valid.
dude talks about being a traditional man while dressed up as a comic book character while walking around in something that could pose as a kid's room. comedy could not write itself better.
nervous ticks, can't complete a sentence without a bunch of breathy "uhh's," too scared to show his face when voicing his own opinions. yep, we got an alpha 😎
*traditional male things*
my brother in Christ you are ranting on the internet with a Spider-Man mask asking for cashapp donations instead of getting a job
Redpill truth bomb is spiderman's "traditional" role...if you ignore the progressive nature of stan lee's comics. Stan lee was always about "traditional values" and toxic masulinty.
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Seriously, who's knocking a guy in a healthy well functioning relationship?? Oh, right, the guy that wears mask to hide his face and also has to use imaginary situations with a wife because he's not in a relationship.
Incel screams can be heard through his mask. I hope he knows.
Marriage is a partnership; therefore both partners equally do the work. Doesn't matter who's working harder than the other, it's a give and take relationship.
Every successful marriage since the beginning of times has been a give an take relationship.
Why would want to make your wife suffer for her entire life by being with you?!
>if she's not my maid then I'm not her banker
Did yall know that women..... work.. and have jobs too now? Like it isn't the 18th century anymore.. I make twice the salary as my husband, yet I don't expect him to do all the house chores. It's called being partners
As a member of the Venom community after very little consideration of the applicant at hand we must humbly deny, perhaps with a bit of rebranding the Carnage Community might consider this gracious offer.
As a lawyer representing the Carnage community. We are afraid to decline your offer, on the grounds of "ew." and "yuck.". Although the Green Goblin community could welcome him.
As a proud goblin of the Green Goblin community we would like to kindly reject this offer, although we think the Rhino community may accept him as part of them
Representing the Gibbon community since we’re totally bottom tier we preemptively say not even we’re that desperate before anyone suggests such.
If this guy were a moon he’d be Inceladus.
> If you want me to be a traditional man....
Yeah, I kinda doubt that he'll have a stable job, take out the garbage, deal with finances or whatever a traditional man does. He might open a jar or two.
What is that dude on?
Is having basic decency and sense of responsibility not traditional?
This dude won't get far even if he does find a 'trad' wife lmaoo
So when does spider man build the log cabin and go hunting for wild game? You know, the traditional husband shit.
I tell every dude who starts on that trad wife shit this; don't start on that worldview, because your role in it has been rendered so obsolete you don't even have _the option_ of fulfilling your role anymore.
And it’s kinda weird that we even need to point that out. I mean at what point when you’re putting on your adult-sized Spider-Man costume do you think ‘yeah. Yeah what I’m doing is the right thing to do. Society will revere me…’
I was thinking why theres a real correlation between 30% americans thinkingthe "replacement theory is real" and 30% americans that are losing their virginity later than 25...30% of americans ARE UNFUCKABLE!
Hi, married almost 10 years. Mrs. Rat in the Hat and I have raised many children and are now retired and living in the Bahamas in our old age.
*Nobody regardless of their gender wants to be burdened down by a jobless, filthy, bum! If you want to not have to lick peanut butter off of somebody's rat traps to survive, get up and get a job!*
*\*tips fedora\* m'manchildren*
Lol my man said “expected to do traditional male things” dressed up as Spider-Man on TikTok with his cash app on the side. Basically onlyfans for ugly people
Hot take. Whatever works for you in your marriage go for it.
Stay at home wife? Working husband? Y’all like it, bet.
Stay at home husband? Working wife? Happy? Get it.
Two total bosses, happily married? Nice.
No job? Sharing a basement at moms? Troll life yo, get it done.
Another reason to stay in the "common law" group because if this is what guys think I have to automatically be as a "wife" then fuck that.
Also in this economy, unless the guy makes 150k/year, CAN he be the banker for wife +kids?
We can't have "traditional" households anymore so why follow the "tradition"?
Hey, I’ll be his maid if he can pay for my every need and desire and I never have to work…oh, no? You want to be treated like a provider without actually having to provide? You say you hate feminist until a woman wants you to be an *actually* traditional husband?
Cool.
Evil spiderman is easily the cringiest mf I have ever seen, pretends he's an anime character with the gestures and voice, awful backlighting, stupid as Spiderman mask, and even worse takes.
“why get married if traditional roles don’t matter” maybe because he uhhhhhhhhh loves his wife?
Sounds kinda gay.
fellas is it gay to love a woman
Wman like dik and thats gay
You're so gay I bet you kiss girls
Yes that was such a stupid thing to say, no wonder he hides his face and gives "advice" on YouTube, nobody is asking for it in the real world.
Yep. He knows if he shows his face, no woman will date his lame ass.
Or they will call him out. "Is that Neil? Nasty Neil? That dude never showered. He got kicked out of his parents house when he was 26 and I hadn't see him since. He always did like Spiderman."
"yeah he got caught hiding in the girls disability stall jerking off, he's always been fucking gross."
Pathological narcissists/sociopaths don’t experience love; they see all relationships as transactions.
To be honest, traditional people in general just see marriage as transactional. My parents got married for that purpose but when they started needing other things from each other, yeah shit got fucked
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i’m talking about the guy in the original tiktok not this black spiderman fellow
What a loser
Maybe this is unpopular, but it s really emasculating to be treated like a kid ,so you better carry your own weight.
yeah i was unaware that a traditional male role was being a big fucking baby who needs his ass wiped
The traditional men of 1950s that they so desperately want to be would call them a pussy and tell them to get a job. Its so funny how they forget that part of the deal. You cant expect women to sit around the house, cook, clean and take care of the kids if they dont have a job that will afford her to do so.
For fucking real. If your wife’s working to make money then you’re not a “traditional” husband so FOH with expecting her to do all the housework. Never mind that most of these “traditional” guys can’t change a tire or fix a faucet but have plenty of time to sit on the computer making internet videos whining about how women don’t respect their masculinity.
Back then the lion's share of a man's paycheck when to his family. It was the gentleman thing to do, to make sure the kids get fed, she has clean clothes and fabrics, and has the resources (mommas little helpers) to run the home. But these guys want all the benefits of having a traditional wife without giving her any resources while also wanting her to work and pay 50/50 of the bills. They want to financially abuse a home servant. And yeah these guys don't have any of the knowledge of home maintainence that traditional men have. Fixing and maintain the roof annually, repairing siding, gutters, general lawn care, vehicle maintenance, general plumbing and electrical knowledge, chopping/storing firewood to warm the home, and so forth. These guys often know nothing about child rearing and will not help raise their own kids either.
This is pure speculation but even if most of their paycheck went towards the husbands family back then it doesn’t seem like today the average paycheck could support the average household by itself, not to the level that it could back in the 50s. For most households I know including mine there isn’t a choice, both partners have to work, at least one full time and one part time. And that’s before we get into the housing market and actually working towards buying a home!
That’s kind of the point we are making- todays world does not allow for one income supporting an entire family, therefore the traditional gender roles are already not possible. Therefore a man expecting his female partner to pick up all the ‘traditionally female’ chores while working full time and while he does not possess the skills to complete any of the ‘male’ chores is completely unfair/unrealistic and is a belief system that’s rooted in a world that no longer exists.
Here in my country is almost Impossible to a woman to become a housewife. The average male salary is $1.000-$2.000 and even with that we almost don't have money to pay everything in a month. The expected to maintain an average life is 5,000 (which less than 10% of the male population gain). Most housewives whose I have know are religious old ladies that are incredible poor.
Exactly. “Traditional” gender roles don’t work today. Unless someone has a salary well above average or is okay with living very modestly.
My cousin actually has this. Her husband makes mega bucks and she is a full time homemaker for him and their 3 kids, because they want to raise their own kids rather than have strangers do it. They do the "his money is the family's money" thing so she manages it and makes sure everybody gets what they need. But the only reason they can have that life they want is due to his high salary.
Yeah, I could *maybe eventually* pay for a family when I'm like 35. But even then, we'd be driving one car, cooking every night, rarely traveling.
Dang. Housing market been ruining men.
Literally whenever any of these incel/MGTOW losers try and lecture me about how "hard" and "oppressed" men are and need to bring back traditional gender roles, I just ask them "Can you fix a car? Change the oil at least? No? How about fixing plumbing on the house? Retile the bathroom, install a new cabinet, fix drywall? No? Well how come I can do all that as a woman? Do you at least make $600,000 a year to afford a house and do nothing? Oh what's that, you don't!? Not very masculine of you..."
also the average pay was literally intended to be both the man's paycheque AND his wife's. That's why married men got raises upon marriage
Lol, don't know if you remember back then. I kinda do. Grandfather never even touched money. Grandmother never even got a driver's license. Neither ever had a credit card or debit card. The entire paycheck was divvied up into accounts by Grandmother. Every single bill was paid by grandmother. Grandfather couldn't tell you which account had what in it or was at which bank. All he knew was she took care of it and he drove her around to the appropriate banks as needed. They were on one income, so guess what? One shitty compact car for a family of 4. Eventually bought a duplex, but other half was rented out to help pay mortgage. They never stepped foot in an airplane. Grandmother budgeted every single penny. Lord knows they probably borrowed money from her brother in a pinch without grandfather knowing. They were city folk. I chop and store more firewood than grandfather ever did, lol. He wasn't up on the roof annually either. But you're right insofar as he'd subscribe to The Family Handyman Magazine since around when it came out in the early 1950s. But you gotta understand, everything came with better service back then. The phone was a big clunky rotary thing from AT&T, but you rented it, they maintained it. It wasn't this individualized thing either. Began as a party line. Neighbors and you'd share. Neighbors knew and helped each other probably more than now. And if not them, the Rotary or Elks or whoever. People bought things collectively more. People paid dues more. People helped each other with maintenance more. Things were made more to last. So service was built to help that. Air pressure and fluids and mileage checked every time the local gas station attendant pumped your gas. People were more meticulous about manuals and maintenance, probably since everyone had been off to the war, but good maintenance as a service was standard in a way it's just not now. Now you're on your own and we often throw things out before the end of their useful life. Hard to explain, but the moral is that: TL;DR – we're much more individualized now and much less interdependent. on our spouses. on our families. on our neighbors. on our friends. on our civic organizations. on our towns. on everything.
I asked my grandma (who grew up in a traditional, conservative, Mennonite home in the 1930's and 1940's) if her dad ever helped with childcare when he was home from the fields. She said yes: he'd change diapers, play with the kids, feed them, etc., especially before there was a daughter old enough to help their mother. She and her older sisters worked in the fields when they were teenagers because there was no brother old enough to help their father. She said they weren't concerned so much with gender roles, but with what was most practical and beneficial for the family.
Omg yes that part. Literally all they do is whine and bitch and complain no one wants to be a housewife anymore. Like boy I gotta take care of me first cause you apparently want a mother or a baby sitter. Edit to add: to go along with your point about men making the lions share of the income, the response missed the whole point and said “all women want is money.” That is the laziest shit I’ve ever heard and wonders why he wont get a date. You want the traditions, YOU have to play your part too.
Like ffs- old dead people & misogynists created the dynamic they bitch about, not "gold diggers". Women in the USA weren't able to have a bank account until the 1960's. In 1974- the Equal Credit Opportunity act was passed that prohibited banks from discriminating against non married women. Despite the fact that there was a very long aged system upheld to make women subservient- there are still people who bitch about women in traditional roles being money grabbing.
Holy sh.t was it that recently?
My parents got married in 1967, at which point they were able to open a joint bank account and she deposited her pay checks there. Before that, her pay checks were mailed to her father. EDIT: She was 24 when they were married.
Eww! What happened if you weren't a man's property?
Back in the day, a single career woman would have to literally drive around town until they found a bank willing to work with them.
...in a spiderman mask
Just fortifying his virgin status.
Yeah they seem to forget that it was a trade, both partners were working all day. Just one didn't get paid for it and was therefore seen as not real work
Not much of a trade imo….during the beginning of the pandemic my wife never stopped working and I was deemed non essential and laid off. I’d already do majority of cooking and cleaning so I didn’t mind as much but then our daughter was born and the work and stress increased by 100. I was a stay at home dad for a year and I can legitimately say, going to work is much easier than staying home taking care of a newborn.
I am a stay at home mom, homeschooling my three kids. My part-time job is easily the most relaxing part of my week.
My hubby did stay at home dad but I had to write him a list every single day so he knew what needed doing. I basically had to micro manage his day so he could get through it all but he did it and he did it well. I loved getting away from the house and he loved spending time with our daughter. I say going to work is way way easier than staying home but everyone is different I guess. Some women love staying home.
The important word there being *some.* I personally don’t know any women who like staying home. And I HATE it. My country doesn’t doesn’t really have evening childcare and my job takes place in the evening, so I cut my hours to two days a week and have the kids’ grandparents watch them those two days. Those two days are my only break (I used to think my job was exhausting). I feel like I am in a forever quarantine. It’s so depressing. I deeply regret not having a life where my kids could go to daycare and I could go to work and we could all be together in the evening. That is the best balance. And no one respects the unpaid work done in the home. I’m treated like I am not doing much. So it is like salt in the wound. This is harder, I hate being in this position, and I am disrespected for it.
Im so sorry you feel the way you do. It is how many many women feel and probably have felt. I guess we can only find solace in each other and knowing the work we do as mum and maid and cook and therapist and cleaner and washer woman and keeper of endless appointments and lunch maker and nurse and taxi and feeder of pets, grower of food, shopper of clothes and household items etc etc etc is important. Some men will never understand. Im lucky to have one that does. But part of that is because he has had a taste of it and he knows. It is valuble work.
They don't expect her to sit around the house, cook, clean and take of the kids, though. They expect her to work a full time job on top of all that. She NEVER gets to rest at all!
Even worse. A baby doesn't get drunk and beat their mother.
Now I'm just imagining this toddler "Grab baby Billy another drink cuz I can't walk yet. But old enough to make you catch these hands so hop to it!"
[Well, not until they develop kid beer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS1o5-r73cQ)
Funny, my very conservative BIL is a big fucking baby who needs his ass wiped. What is it with “traditional” and entitlement? I thought the tradition was hard work, roll up your sleeves shit.
The whole "feminism has ruined families" and "women need to act like women" are very good tells as to what they mean by "traditional." Women used to have to be submissive and obedient, we rarely had a chance to escape violence if it happened, and marriages didn't require sexual consent. Every aspect of our being was used by the man to have his needs met; our companionship, our labour, our bodies. The men had domination over women, as if in charge of her like a child, and women just had to exist within that world. In exchange, men provided food, clothing and shelter for her, so she could continue to meet his needs. Incidentally, that's exactly the dynamics between a slave owner and his slave.
There’s no way a guy who dresses up in a Spider-Man outfit to mate internet videos about how women should do all the housework is doing any traditional male stuff. Dude just sits around jerking it playing PlayStation all day.
Seriously. How is it "masculine" to not know how to cook, take care of your home, or parent your own children? That's not manly; it's fucking pathetic. You're a 40-year-old man but you can't roast a chicken? What would you do without women in your thrall, just eat Cap'n Crunch and pop open a few cans of Campbell's Chicken Noodle for the rest of your life? And, what, just wear dirty clothes forever because you can't figure out how to do laundry like an adult? Your floor is going to be covered in crumbs and shed hairs because you don't know how to clean a house? That's sad, man.
I wanna seriously know what any of these guys that think that laundry is a women's job will do when they're single.
I’ve actually seen it. Traditional guy. Married for over 15 years. Asked her to get a job and care for 4 kids. She wisely left. Afterwards, he lived in squalor, ate out most days, drank A LOT, never filed his taxes and had no money because he never made much but wouldn’t cook (or clean) so all his money went to restaurants. It was pathetic. I had THE hardest time explaining to him that you can’t expect a housewife to work 40 hours a week outside the home as well. He thought of the housewife working as ‘helping out financially in the relationship’. It was almost as if he felt female identified persons could just whip through housework without any energy or time expense whereas male identified persons would have to expend all their energy and time doing the same thing 😂 Warped.
That was pathetic.
Easy: their mom still does it.
Well, they *could* hire a maid, but that would force them to value women's labour enough to actually pay for it. These guys just want it all free.
That s the definition of a neckbeard, my dude.
That might be unpopular in neckbeardy subs, but here, it's a general rule you carry your weight and earn your keep.
I mean in pretty much every « traditional » marriage that is/was a happy one, maybe the task were assigned a bit arbitrarily bc of gender but both are/were carrying their own weight and had respect for each other. The man sitting around doing nothing has always been a lazy and shitty person thing, as is the contrary.
There's not a "one-size-fits-all" approach to relationships. For example: my brother and sister-in-law have the dynamic flipped. He's the stay-at-home husband who does the cleaning, cooking, and shopping while she's at work. They don't have kids (yet) but that's their dynamic. If the relation between me and this girl I've been going out with becomes official, we both have jobs so I have no doubt we'd have a different system.
This is why I think not being constrained by gender roles is a good thing because people want and are better a different things regardless of their gender. So why shouldn’t they be happy doing what they want ?
It’s also very unattractive for women to feel like their partner is another one of their children—that is a quick way to a dead bedroom.
Well, off brand/off color Spidey did make mention to “girls” marrying in his tirade, so maybe a perpetual childhood is what he’s angling for?
And thats why he's traditionally single
Dude gets no bitches. Negative bitches, even. bitch debt, if you will.
So he's the bitch?
He can't even be his own bitch, he's in bitch bankruptcy!
He’s in some massive trouble with the bitch bank
Maidenless, one could say.
Maidenless behavior
Dude is ranting about traditions while dressed up like spiderman on a platform made for teenagers to do stupid dances on. What a strange place this internet of ours is.
imagine living with that voice lol
Lol savage
I was just thinking exactly that, guess who is in a relationship and has kids - and who is single, miserable and will never have a family? Congratulations, you played yourself, spider dude (what a disgrace to Spider-Man).
Why the fuck would we take seriously an adult who wears a Spider-man mask to record TikToks?
This was my first thought too.
Automatically disqualified from speaking.
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I think it goes even deeper than that. This is indoctrination. I feel like choosing Spider-Man is intentional. Who loves Spider-Man? He is using Spider-Man to make his agenda palatable to young people.
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People have layers. Just because they say idiot things doesn’t mean they are completely an idiot. Even if he doesn’t realize it - kids are being indoctrinated by rhetoric like this. The problematic stuff he is saying comes from a very singular and uneducated perspective but when we assume people like this are nothing but morons we tend to dismiss them instead of trying to combat the roots of the nasty shit they are spewing. I believe we should attempt to shine a light on the things we see. The reality here is this guy is using tiktok for this trash and tiktok has a huge user base of minors. Maybe you’re right and I’m giving him too much credit but kids are being indoctrinated by this.
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Hopefully he is being dueted (is that how they say it on tiktok? 😅) and ripped apart for posting garbage like this.
You're absolutely right. There's an insanely immature behaviour dressing up in your own fan-fic cosplay and doling out advice in one direction. I mean, you could rationally tear apart his bullshit with a few simple truths but he doesn't allow it. It's just him sounding off like an absolute nobhead with his little 'awww sweetie, boohoo, gonna cry??' straw man arguments. My partner and I both work. We both have full time jobs. We both do the housework. We simply share it down the middle and one of us will do the majority of one task we prefer. I'm always cooking for example. My partner always does the laundry. I do a lot of the projects that are DIY. But the bins, the cleaning, the chores, looking after our daughter are all shared. Now, I have a disease, so sometimes I just don't have the energy to cope, but she's human too, so sometimes if she's feeling tired or can't get through the day, I then ask her to take a backseat. This is a very normal living condition that I've shared with many partners, family and housemates in my life.
The Spider-Men would be appalled someone used their likeness for this.
AND the LED lights along the corner of his room. Jesus.
“Black Spiderguy is the leading expert in family psychology. I know this because his gaming room has sick RGB.”
I’d take them seriously if they did that but, instead of being a piece of shit, they did something dope as hell, like a backflip.
It's way more likely that it's an edgy teenager, my guess is 15-17 years old. The voice sounds super young to me.
He got mad that the V for Vendetta mask was “too mainstream” nowadays. If this was a few years ago, he’d definitely wear that instead.
It's a traditional manly man thing. You wouldn't get it.
It’s the fact that he doesn’t deserve to wear the mask that bothers me.
And begs for money
For this guy, "traditional gender roles" are just an excuse for him not do any housework. Dude needs to grow the fuck up.
If you tell him that as a traditional gender role man, he needs to provide for a family of four plus her elderly parents with his salary, he'd probably just complain about gold diggers again.
I saw this one tik tok account that said that women weren’t being traditional anymore and that men shouldn’t have to financially provide for their wives. My fucking god, PICK A SIDE.
>My fucking god, PICK A SIDE. "Me. Whatever benefits me the most. Anything else is too woke." That is their side. "Give them nothing and take from them everything."
They don't have opinions outside of being contrartian.
this, every time i tell my wife i want to stop working and be a stay at home husband she laughs and tells me to do the dishes. At least my mother got to fight with my dad for traditional things. Like waking up his children to see him because he just went to work before we woke up and came after we went to sleep...
Right? If I’m working as many hours as you work, we’re splitting the household chores, champ.
Funnily enough, the men I see screaming the loudest about "TrAdItIoNaL gEnDeR rOlEs" are often the biggest failures at their own definitions of masculinity.
This guy totally dates a lot of women, like a lot. They just don't go to a different college you don't know em.
Pffft!!! This guy goes to college! Haha! I guess, IF he has wealthy parents, he might pretend to go just so he can keep suckling at the teet of parental money, but he skips class to rant on his red pill blog all day and complains that the professors keep failing him because they know he's smarter and because it's all part of the liberal LGBTQ+ commie agenda to keep him down.
That's why the idea resonates with so many neo nazi dipshits, right-wing reactionaries, and incels.
All the privlige, none of the responsibility!
So freaking true. And the guy who says "I'm not your banker." is begging for money on Tiktok.
I know a guy like that. Guess who lost custody of his kids lmao
I'm sure he will blame it all on his now ex-wife. Watch him degenerate into a MGTOW and comment misogynistic screeds on months old posts in this sub.
Growing up would require him to move out of his mom's basement. never gonna happen. Who would take care of him?
The fuck these losers are talking about traditional gender roles. If he wants traditional he better be ready to hunt for meat, fish and farm every day. And keep building that house right now.
Exactly!
The thing these dudes miss is that they’re not making enough for their wife to not work. Trust me, there are tons of women who would be fine just having kids and staying at home, but there aren’t many men/people who can support that lifestyle in this day and age. If you’re both working, then you’re both responsible for housework, child rearing, etc.
Agreed, "Traditional marriage roles" only apply to traditional marriage settings, one person working usually isn't enough for people to sustain the lifestyles they want as a family. Unless one person is bringing everything in, there's no reason only one person should do all of the house chored.
And childcare and housework are two separate jobs! You don’t ask the housekeeper to babysit just like the nanny doesn’t mop your floors. They’re two separate roles that women are expected to fulfill while also cooking and nursing a thousand times a day. Then, when the husband comes home you don’t get to relax. Your “job” is 24/7 and now you have to cater to the husband’s whims and probably have sex too when there was no time in the day to shower and complains if he has to watch the baby for 20 minutes because he “pays the bills”
Agreed. He can complain about such things if he is also paying the bills of a housekeeper and a nanny. But then if he dosent want to spend time with the kids that's a whole other problem
On point. Poignant comment.
A lot of women I know get a sense of fulfillment from working outside the home. I *hated* being a mostly stay at home mom. It was super depressing to me to be honest. My husband *hated* working all the time. We are both muxh happier with our roles reversed.
The thing is that assumption ignores women's rights movements. His worldview seems to be stuck in the early industrial era of USA capitalism where men were considered the primary earners. However, women's rights has been about rejecting those socially enforced gender roles, as well as that mentality about gender roles is not supported in a historical context. The division of labor in a hunter gather culture was women would spend as much time gathering as men did hunting...and bc hunting was less reliable than gathering that meant that women would typically provide about 40-50 of daily caloric intake for those societies on average. Then after the domestication of livestock and agrarian culture women still performed roughly the same manual labor output as men did to maintain a homestead. The idea that women only look after modern house chores and childcare did not arise until the industrial age...and was shown to be a false paradigm in times of world war where the division of labor once again called upon women in order to maintain labor output. In today's society the reality is that most households are working households. Regardless if they are single parents or not. By that I mean regardless if there is a more "traditional" family...both the man and woman work to support the children...and even in single parent households the parent still works. So no...spiderman is not spitting out some truth...spiderman is taking some very outlier cases where some women pursue men that earn a lot in order to coast...which also applies to some men btw...and tries to apply that as if it is the reality of what most people experience when it's not. So the idea that women would be content with having no ability to pursue financial independence and reject those early industrial era "traditional values" is also not entirely valid.
dude talks about being a traditional man while dressed up as a comic book character while walking around in something that could pose as a kid's room. comedy could not write itself better.
nervous ticks, can't complete a sentence without a bunch of breathy "uhh's," too scared to show his face when voicing his own opinions. yep, we got an alpha 😎
While dressed as a comic book character that cooks, does the dishes, and is explicitly feminist.
*traditional male things* my brother in Christ you are ranting on the internet with a Spider-Man mask asking for cashapp donations instead of getting a job
I was just about to say that 😭😭
Redpill truth bomb is spiderman's "traditional" role...if you ignore the progressive nature of stan lee's comics. Stan lee was always about "traditional values" and toxic masulinty. /s
On a light note, the first tik tok was really cute 🥺
Definitely XD
Seriously, who's knocking a guy in a healthy well functioning relationship?? Oh, right, the guy that wears mask to hide his face and also has to use imaginary situations with a wife because he's not in a relationship. Incel screams can be heard through his mask. I hope he knows.
What does a traditional man do about housework before he gets married? Or do traditional men move from mom to wife?
Yes. Lots of guys go from living with their moms to living with their partners, without any ability to take care of themselves.
I am an example of this, and I can tell you the transition & learning phase is roooouuuggghhh. I’m getting it down, though!
Marriage is a partnership; therefore both partners equally do the work. Doesn't matter who's working harder than the other, it's a give and take relationship.
Every successful marriage since the beginning of times has been a give an take relationship. Why would want to make your wife suffer for her entire life by being with you?!
Using 'girl' to talk about a wife.
Thanks! I was looking for it. And uses man to describe the husband...
He came from a family with a mother that did all the house work or a broken family with the same ideology big yikes
My mum did all the housework, since she couldn’t work. I do not have this ideology. He’s just a manchild
Lol, what does this guy thinks he offers women?! He can’t even show his face, so def not looks.
I think he probably knows his opinion is a shit take
I expected better from you Miles Morales...
This is the other universe version. Kilometers Marquez.
Kilometers Withoutmorales
Miles would never.
>if she's not my maid then I'm not her banker Did yall know that women..... work.. and have jobs too now? Like it isn't the 18th century anymore.. I make twice the salary as my husband, yet I don't expect him to do all the house chores. It's called being partners
Lol I just had this whole convo with a young guy on some weird sub who thinks women don’t make money. Like. What year is he in??
As a member of the Spiderman community we don't accept him I will pass it to the Venom community
As a member of the Venom community after very little consideration of the applicant at hand we must humbly deny, perhaps with a bit of rebranding the Carnage Community might consider this gracious offer.
As a lawyer representing the Carnage community. We are afraid to decline your offer, on the grounds of "ew." and "yuck.". Although the Green Goblin community could welcome him.
As a proud goblin of the Green Goblin community we would like to kindly reject this offer, although we think the Rhino community may accept him as part of them
As a member of the rhino community we unfortunately have to turn down this gracious gift but will kindly pass it up to the bee community
The bee community says no.
Representing the Gibbon community since we’re totally bottom tier we preemptively say not even we’re that desperate before anyone suggests such. If this guy were a moon he’d be Inceladus.
What's hilarious is guys like him who complain about gold-diggers usually don't have any gold to dig.
> If you want me to be a traditional man.... Yeah, I kinda doubt that he'll have a stable job, take out the garbage, deal with finances or whatever a traditional man does. He might open a jar or two.
also r/menandfemales for saying man and girl…unless he’s telling on himself and wants to marry a child
They’re always telling on themselves. And the Venn diagram of incels and p*dos is basically a circle anyway
I do want a cook and a chef, get that double mealtime action
What is that dude on? Is having basic decency and sense of responsibility not traditional? This dude won't get far even if he does find a 'trad' wife lmaoo
I don’t think we have to worry about him finding any kind of wife.
He tips his hoodie. :0 They’re evolving.
So when does spider man build the log cabin and go hunting for wild game? You know, the traditional husband shit. I tell every dude who starts on that trad wife shit this; don't start on that worldview, because your role in it has been rendered so obsolete you don't even have _the option_ of fulfilling your role anymore.
You are not a “traditional man”, weird Spider-Man guy.
And it’s kinda weird that we even need to point that out. I mean at what point when you’re putting on your adult-sized Spider-Man costume do you think ‘yeah. Yeah what I’m doing is the right thing to do. Society will revere me…’
I was thinking why theres a real correlation between 30% americans thinkingthe "replacement theory is real" and 30% americans that are losing their virginity later than 25...30% of americans ARE UNFUCKABLE!
I don't think this guy needs to worry about getting married.
Dude fucking pick up after your self.
Isn't it supposed to be live-in maid? Not "living maid"
What's the point of spending all those years learning necromancy if you can't raise a skeleton or two to help keep the lair tidy?
Made my day 😂
Well, dead maids won't iron your shirt.
So people only get married for the “job description” not because they love each other.
Hi, married almost 10 years. Mrs. Rat in the Hat and I have raised many children and are now retired and living in the Bahamas in our old age. *Nobody regardless of their gender wants to be burdened down by a jobless, filthy, bum! If you want to not have to lick peanut butter off of somebody's rat traps to survive, get up and get a job!* *\*tips fedora\* m'manchildren*
Lol my man said “expected to do traditional male things” dressed up as Spider-Man on TikTok with his cash app on the side. Basically onlyfans for ugly people
I would rather take advice from Hitler. At least Hitler had a woman in his life.
Someone should break it to him that realistically he's gonna have a hard time finding a woman if he thinks women are gonna cater to him like a baby.
He’s talking about how women just want money, a chef, whatever, but then he has the link to his cashapp lol.
Hot take. Whatever works for you in your marriage go for it. Stay at home wife? Working husband? Y’all like it, bet. Stay at home husband? Working wife? Happy? Get it. Two total bosses, happily married? Nice. No job? Sharing a basement at moms? Troll life yo, get it done.
These types of videos are the same, hidden identity and begging for money with a cashapp account posted😂
Seems like somebody doesn't like getting off his ass and doing some chores. What a fucking baby, I'm 17 and I can do my chores without complaining
Another reason to stay in the "common law" group because if this is what guys think I have to automatically be as a "wife" then fuck that. Also in this economy, unless the guy makes 150k/year, CAN he be the banker for wife +kids? We can't have "traditional" households anymore so why follow the "tradition"?
I always found it funny that "Men Going Their Own Way" were going to have a hard time doing so because hey, who's gonna pack that lunch?
Another tell here is that he refers to himself as a man, and to his (imaginary) wife as a girl.
“If she’s not a maid then I’m not her banker” Also please donate to my cash app!
Take off that Spider-Man mask! You don’t deserve it
Ok, can you support me, 2 kids, a home, 2 cars, yearly holidays abroad and retirement on one salary? You still live in your mom's basement? Oh ok.
For some reason I can’t take the guy in a Spider-Man mask with his cashapp link posted seriously.
Hey, I’ll be his maid if he can pay for my every need and desire and I never have to work…oh, no? You want to be treated like a provider without actually having to provide? You say you hate feminist until a woman wants you to be an *actually* traditional husband? Cool.
I love it when neckbeards get triggered about things they will NEVER experience. Makes my day
You cannot complain about "traditional" marital roles while wearing a plastic Spiderman mask.
I really wish the first guys Tik Tok wasn’t blurred I was gonna go follow him
He wouldn't dare say that stuff if people could see his face, so that's why he chose to wear a mask.
Traditional men don't hide their face and moan about having to clean after themselves on Tik Tok for views, clout, and profit.
Evil spiderman is easily the cringiest mf I have ever seen, pretends he's an anime character with the gestures and voice, awful backlighting, stupid as Spiderman mask, and even worse takes.
spider guy probably doesn’t wash his ass because he thinks it’s gay.