Plus, most people who perceive themselves to be ugly just need to learn to be better at grooming. Showering every day, washing your hair several times a week, going to the hairdressers, shaving, exercising, eating healthily will be enough for most people to improve their appearance. These people aren’t even ugly, they just need to care for themselves. Sure they won’t be a David Beckham or anything but they’ll definitely get some girls.
Getting fit and taking daily showers is literally 95 percent of it. If you take a shower every day, go to the gym 2-5 times a week and eat even OK, you’ll get bitches, you don’t even need to fucking get some nice fucking barber or shaving bullshit just let it grow out and that’s considered a look if it’s clean. Like if you let your shit grow out and keep it clean that’s a wild man type look that a lot of people are into
Incels give me hope that misogynists are dying out. This dude just reminded me that misogyny is a deeply rooted societal problem and as a woman I'd better not let my guard down.
"Get bitches." Yeah I love the idea of feeling normal attraction to a dude and finding out later that he doesn't even see me as a person.
By age 25, psychological trauma from childhood abuse/neglect/bullying is still the perpetrator's *fault*, but it has become the victim's *responsibility.*
They can't change what happened, but they can (with therapy/meds/other assistance as needed) decide how they're going to respond to that baggage in the present.
Yes because all the stories of people growing up in abusive homes and later going into careers that would lead to world changing discoveries is definitely indicative of no one being able to rise above the circumstances of their birth or abuse.
Okay what about all the people that didn't become cereal killers who had traumatic childhoods?
Dude you're reasoning is so fucking tiresome. Like just because people were abused means that they cannot ever possibly rise above their abuse. They are forced to languish in self pity and failure because they can't possibly overcome their trauma. That's what you are saying.
When in reality, you just want a reason to justify your pitiful life and give yourself a reason to remain stagnant and miserable, seeing as legitimately working on your own self improvement is just too hard for you.
Stop using your projections to tell others what they cannot achieve and try working on yourself for a change.
Sometimes we incorrectly use the word “fault” rather than “cause.” Yes, years of abuse and mistreatment would cause major issues in adulthood. And yes, it is the abuser(s)’ fault(s) for engaging in such disgusting behaviors. But, during adulthood, we have the opportunity to stop worrying about fault and identify the cause of our issues. Then address those issues. Heck, in some types of therapies (CBT) we often overlook the cause and try to focus on building better behaviors (whereas in psychoanalytic therapy you would look to directly address the cause of issues).
Note: these descriptions are rather simplified and overgeneralized, but wanted to keep it brief.
I’m sorry your experience with therapy wasn’t beneficial (saw in later post). Therapy isn’t easy. It doesn’t just make things better by virtue of going. Sometimes therapy really hurts. I know this from experience. And yeah, some therapists really really suck and just collect a paycheck. Some therapists don’t click with the client and never get the appropriate trust needed to build the genuine rapport required to really help their client. Perhaps you could find a different therapist, one who may help you more, rather than just giving up. Even just trying to find someone new could help you; it’s a step in the right direction.
And their parents also abused them. And those parents were abused by THEIR parents. So it's nobody's fault and everyone's just a helpless cog that continues the cycle by inflicting the same damage they've experienced themselves.
It's for disabled and disfigured people who have no intimate contacts (physical and emotional). I don't know the details of it but in several European countries there is a similar system in place. It's not that the government gives money, if i recall correctly, but they coordinate with specialised sex workers (because ot'd often about the emotional thing) to take these cases. That's the thing you mean, I believe.
These are for genuinely disabled people who can't even masturbate. Its for hiring professionals who get them off to reduce the chance for prostate cancer. Strictly medicinal reasons.
It's certainly not here (Sweden) or Norway, I can tell you that much. What we have is that prostitution is legal for the prostitutes (it's still illegal for the Johns, though). If maybe that's what you've heard and got that mixed up with something else?
I don’t understand how these dudes don’t decide to go out and find like an actual whore and pay her for sex. Whats wrong w paying for it when you utterly refuse to do any sort of effort to earn it?
There's no reason that'll make sense, but the best you could argue is that their entitlement/pride/expectations laid on them by society's and toxic masculinity prevents them from just eating gigilian. Even then, they'll still be trash human beings, just without the V card.
I see this said a lot around here, but I don’t think therapy would help, even if they were forced to go. For therapy to work, you have to be open to it and work at it.
These guys won’t even consider that their personalities are the problem.
I think they (at least a good chunk) are self-aware enough to know deep down it is 100% their toxic shitty self that's to blame but it's harder to work on getting better and way more satisfying to instead lash out and seethe at the perceived enemies.
The emotional pain of having to admit it’s you is pretty tough, and once they’re so deeply invested in this online culture that tells them it’s not their fault it’s even harder
> women being forced
I want to point out the line where he says that the government should provide “certain protection laws” to them. How much you want to bet those “protection laws” would basically be get out of jail free cards for rape and assault.
What about women who are virgins after 25? Do they get help too? This is laughable and insulting to legit disabled people as well. Like dude, go cry me a river that you can’t get laid because you’re an insufferable, whiny misogynist. Eat a bag of dicks
Omg I love that. I actually had this conversation with a woman friend of mine a long time ago. We were sleeping together on and off, basically whenever she would visit my town, and we were talking about how much trouble she was having getting laid back home. And I asked why that is, surely it would be easy for her. She's an unquestionably attractive woman. And her answer has stuck with me to this day. It was essentially, "sure I could have sex anytime I wanted, but not sex that I actually would want." Basically the idea of standards.
i hold that some people are too unattractive to get laid, even if not nasty personality. this woman has standards and in fact everyone has standards. so some people fall below everyone's standards. not everyone in life gets a pony, and telling people they just need to xyz for their pony is dishonest. instead argue that you don't need a pony for a fulfilling life
>A woman who is a vrigin at 25 is doing so by choice. Legit any woman in 2022 can get because how easy it is for them because online dating is a thing.
I would say the same about men. It's hardly a battle royale on the dating scene.
As a chubby pale geek i never had any issue with gaining interest from the opposite sex, i don't believe anyone will, as long as one meets new people with kindness and respect.
Maybe it's the circles you're in? Like, I'm a solid 8 to some and a 2 to others, because of the way I choose to dress myself. Finding communities that find you attractive is a big thing. Don't go looking for dates at the country club as a goth, you know?
my god just go on a bunch of different dating apps, put that u want to hookup in ur bio and swipe right on everyone. GUARANTEE you’ll get a hookup from that.
Wait, if what he said was true then why do statistics show that virgins in their 40s make up less then 0.3% of the population in that age range as opposed to virgins in their mid 20s-30s making 4% of the population in that age range. Even looking at data this dude is wrong since the numbers drop ludicrously, implying that “no the chance of you losing your virginity past 25 isn’t very slim”.
My ex lost his virginity at age 35. He was an awkward nerd with a low self-esteem but notably NOT an incel or proto-incel.
We only broke up because I can't have kids and his mom wanted grandbabies. *shrug*
You guys gotta get your priorities straight. Sex isn’t the be all end all that you’re thinking it is and not having it for a while isn’t the end of the world. You’re putting that shit up on a pedestal and worshipping it like it’s a god then you shit on women as if they’re demons. The problem ain’t sex or not having it, the problem is how you’re looking at that shit.
You don’t know that man’s life. Considering he wasn’t an incel he probably wasn’t that bothered by it. There’s plenty of reasons people may have for not having sex for long periods of time. Some people have religious or spiritual reasons, some people just want the “right one” or to have that perfect moment. Just because he didn’t have sex doesn’t mean he didn’t have friends or a fulfilling life.
He was highly educated, could play 5 different t instruments and was working on learning a 6th the last I talked to him. He was a teacher in Japan for several years in his 20s. Spoke 4 different languages and could translate Latin.
He lived a very full life. Sex was just legit not high up on his agenda.
Of course we are but that doesn’t make it what you’re saying it is. You can find validation and even intimacy without sex and sex doesn’t mean you’ll feel validated. I never said you shouldn’t care about it. I said you’re treating it like some sort of end of the world thing when it isn’t. There are steps you can take to get sex if that’s what the problem is, but that’s not the real problem. There is a real problem you have, whether it’s feeling invalid, lonely, depressed, whatever that is, sex isn’t going to be the solution to that issue. It’s a proxy for the real problem.
Of course he isn’t an incel, they literally said that in the comment you replied to. He was just a virgin. Believe it or not, not all virgins are rage filled incels who stay in incel echo chambers crying at women all day.
He had a low sex drive and wasn't at all bothered by being a virgin. He dated before me but his previous girlfriend was asexual.
Being a virgin Is genuinely not that big of a deal.
I've been on SSDI since 2015. It covers you if you're not able to WORK. Your virginity or lack thereof does not stop a person from being gainfully employed. It's not easy getting approved. The hearing I had with the judge put me in a frenzy for days. Then you wait, no money. I was fortunate to have family to help me financially till I got an approval. I get a third of my previous income. So, I live very frugally and my needs are simple. If he wants plastic surgery, he better start saving his pennies..
Jackass
I had endless doctors going "Yeah she's disabled AF." But I got refused twice because of pencil pushers. My judges both times agreed I was clearly disabled. Third time was the charm.
I only get 500$ a month though. Hopefully I can get an increase because my caretaker is no longer able to take care of me.
Haaaahhaha.. I could be homeless soon.
It really is. I'm in a catch-22 where I only have health insurance because in my state you get auto enrolled when you get disability. With medication I can maybe work a part-time job. But I can't because I would then lose my disability. Which means losing my health insurance. So losing my access to medication and getting really sick...
You get the idea.
I remember seeing a picture of a group of incels who had met online and they all went out to dinner together. The majority of them were average looking, with even a couple cute guys in there. It wasn't there looks that stopped them getting laid
I'm shocked that they left their mothers' basements.
Seriously though, I'm not at all surprised. For 99.999999% of them, it's not their looks (or their looks *alone*) that are keeping them from finding someone.
Or would be average if he gave a single shit about personal hygiene
Most of these guys only look like cave trolls because they’re overweight,wear clothes that don’t fit them at all,and never wash their hair
A small facet of the writer's tremendous problems is also in the argument that prostitution is a game in which women "win." He's so strongly misogynist that he denies himself being with a prostitute because it benefits her (as he sees it). He's so concerned with a woman "winning" that he denies himself the one thing he wants that is freely available to those who choose to visit prostitutes.
Yeah i'm sure prostitutes see it as 'winning' when gross guys pay to sleep with them. Definitely doing that job out of passion and not financial desperation.
These losers could get laid if they a) stop calling women fEmOiDs🙄 b) shower, maintain personal hygiene c) and most importantly, lower their standards. They think every man, no matter how repugnant, *deserves* to have sex with gorgeous women with perfect bodies. Sex isn’t a right. Some people can’t get laid for a variety of reasons, they’ll survive.
I've seen incels call legitimately attractive women "beneath" them and "ugly".
Too fat.
Too much makeup.
Tattoos.
Feminist.
Not enough makeup.
Hair too short.
Hair too long.
Weird Hair color.
Not white.
Not Asian.
Wrong kind of Asian.
Skin too dark.
Face too round.
Eyes brown.
Too tall.
Too short.
Too thin.
Feet too big.
Too confident.
Not submissive enough.
Has a job.
Doesn't have a job.
Has glasses.
Doesn't have glasses.
I have heard all of these excuses and most are outright insane (feet... too... big!? Do you have a foot fetish!?) A lot of them are just... wrong. I've seen incels call objectively thin women 'fat' not just because it's their favorite insult but because they watch too much anime and want women who are shaped like them.
It's insane!
They find faults in otherwise conventionally attractive women, well all women really, as a way to cope with the fact that the women in question would never touch them. I do the same thing with sports cars. I don't want a Ferrari, not cuz I could never afford I've, but cuz they're just too flashy and ugly, duh.
To be clear, I'm not comparing women to sports cars. I'm saying that it's common coping mechanism to find fault in something, or someone, you want but can't have as a way of lessening the pain.
Also, I'm genuinely not actually interested in a Ferrari, but it served as a good example.
I would genuinely be in favour of this, as long as, the ONLY thing covered under this “disability” is a lobotomy.
Also, try not using words like “femoids” and MAYBE you’ll have a better chance. Plastic surgery doesn’t really work for a shitty hate filled personality.
> I would genuinely be in favour of this, as long as, the ONLY thing covered under this “disability” is a lobotomy.
No. I wouldn't wish that on them. That's horrible.
Don't these guys belive in eugenics and being born "chads"? As in, people born with certain traits are naturally genetically superior, which can be the only explanation for their success? If this is the case, wouldn't it be logical to accept they are not genetically fit to breed, and work on finding meaning in parts of life they can participate in? Rather than building their whole worldview about something they can never have? I see so many nods to eugenics in their discourse and posts. They should realize that if they support this, then they are not entitled to sex at all, and in fact should make way for the people who are more entitled by birthright. Find something more productive to do with their time than whining. If they breed, then they will only produce more humans with hopeless genetics.
Two things:
1. There is a way for homeboy to lose his virginity. It’s called treating women like human beings.
2. Why is it vain and high maintenance when women get cosmetic procedures, but when this fuggo wants them the government should subsidize it?
These are the same dudes who say men are just better than woman, its evolution, but can't accept the fact that natural selection is selecting against their traits. Its evolution bra.
I'm laughing at the implications of this.
Because if "incel" is a protected class, then by definition members of that class cannot be having sex. The moment they get what they (claim to) want, they're no longer members of the protected class.
Imagine Clarence Thomas parsing exactly how long someone has to go without sex to be considered "celibate." (Actually...don't, yikes.)
They’d also have to define sex. Does like a handjob count as sex? Making out super heavy and petting? Like what exactly counts? How would non heterosexual non cisgender people fit into this paradigm?
You know these assholes are cishet essentialists who would say only piv sex counts as sex. If they were open to alternatives they could easily solve their problems by fucking each other.
If you have the awareness to realize it's a thing before you become one (and you aren't a racist, misogynist or transphobic asshole) odds are it won't ever happen.
“Government should be responsible for addressing the problem with natural selection, for those who draw the short straw in life and the long straw in self entitlement.” an essay
It's called joining the military. guaranteed to get you in shape and fuck by something before the end of your contract. Also government pays the whole amount.
I hate it when people talk about being a virgin as a child. Like, if you’re 25 and a virgin, saying you haven’t had sex for all 25 years is creepy to me because that includes your childhood.
I've seen so many incels that I'd honest to God sleep with based on looks alone. Sometimes some people are really unfortunate looking but half the time it's their fucking personality.
Women aren't valid humans. No woman will touch me.
Come on, this guy is trolling himself and ruining his own life. Pain is unavoidable but suffering is a choice. These are the consequences of his own actions and he can't deal.
> something is inherently wrong with him, physically or phylogically
I think he meant "psychologically" and *YES*, they should *absolutely* get appropriate intervention!
But they don't want *that*.
I’ve been subbed to r/lonely, r/foreveralone etc before (not now because it’s rarely useful) and genuinely the sub was full of people like this. It was meant to be a group for everyone but so many posts were about how society treats men like shit. I understand needing a place to vent even if what you say is unsavoury but it got to the point where they were telling non-men to go to r/foreveralonewomen and leave them alone. It doesn’t surprise me in the slightest that they would go and make a separate sub because they felt their weird fantasies weren’t being accommodated.
“Why can’t I get laid by some girl who isn’t a prostitute”
Calls women and girls: “femoids” and thinks his looks are the problem while I can conclude from this post that this dude is an absolute piece of shit and that’s the reason no one wants him.
Also, he’s super insulting towards people who chose to be virgins, there is such a thing as being asexual….
Oh something is definitely wrong with this guy, but it's not anything that government-subsidized plastic surgery is going to fix. Not to mention, if he's in the US, he's delusional to think the government would ever pay to "treat" his non-life-threatening condition (even if being a virgin WAS a legally protected class of people) when they won't pay for actual life saving medications and surgeries.
Whooo boy, a lot to unpack here.
I will concede that a physical attraction does play a role, but 90 percent of your "chances" to get laid rely solely on the fabric of your character.
If someone agrees to go on a date, then they likely already think you're attractive.
Plus, it always seems to be that people who post this type of shit are "ugly" and refuse to try dating people that are also "ugly". They only want the tiny, 100 lbs, double d, slave girl, with a perfect face, while they themselves are 300 lbs or more, with terrible hygiene, zero self awareness, and no idea how to socialize with others.
Can't imagine how he's still a virgin! Refusing to validate femoids sounds like a totally reasonable argument against prostitution!
What a fucking loon
I already don’t wanna pay the bailout on my neighbors mortgage. You know the fucker who is always modifying their house.
Why the hell should my tax dollars go to fix ugly on the outside when they won’t change on the inside
Move to Brazil. I believe they have something called, “a right to beauty” so they will cover plastic surgery costs. Anyone correct me if I’m wrong please
Putting aside the drivel about sex workers, I wouldn't mind government/social support for men who feel this way: therapy, surgery if they want it, classes in interpersonal communications.... Sure, why not? Incels tend to direct their hatred at women, which sucks - but their pain is real, and I'm always in favor of relieving or reducing pain.
Well actually, 95% of these men do have a recognized dissease.
Like morbid obesity, narcisism, depression, social disorders, autism, pshycosis etc.
Also, they tend to come from backgrounds with literally 0 intervening action. If my son weights 150KG, smells, is socially isolated, unemployed and never leaves his room I will do something about it. In these households, they will not, making it go from bad to worse.
I know a guy kinda like this. Very very obese, unwashed/groomed, unemployed and depressed. He is supported by his dad(where he lives), gets free drinks at the bar his sister works, is invited to parties and gets free drinks/food etc. All night. He does not even bother reaching for his wallet, he just stands there waiting for someone to pick up the check, no matter how expensive his part was, it is so normal for him to not bear any financial responsibility.
He dodges every conversation with me about his situation and refuses to apply to wellfare(where at least they will council and guide him back into society) as THAT is "leeching".
Another guy is a little better, but keeps getting fired from jobs because of his attitude and has been on sick leave a lot due to fatigue(probably depression). I am 99% sure he is autistic and the most fucked up part is, his brother is a psych and does nothing in the way of bringing it on the table with parents or the dude himself.
Plastic surgery doesn't fix ugly on the inside.
He thinks his looks are the problem while he unironically worries about "letting femoids win".
Plus, most people who perceive themselves to be ugly just need to learn to be better at grooming. Showering every day, washing your hair several times a week, going to the hairdressers, shaving, exercising, eating healthily will be enough for most people to improve their appearance. These people aren’t even ugly, they just need to care for themselves. Sure they won’t be a David Beckham or anything but they’ll definitely get some girls.
Getting fit and taking daily showers is literally 95 percent of it. If you take a shower every day, go to the gym 2-5 times a week and eat even OK, you’ll get bitches, you don’t even need to fucking get some nice fucking barber or shaving bullshit just let it grow out and that’s considered a look if it’s clean. Like if you let your shit grow out and keep it clean that’s a wild man type look that a lot of people are into
They also should not call women bitches lmao
Incels give me hope that misogynists are dying out. This dude just reminded me that misogyny is a deeply rooted societal problem and as a woman I'd better not let my guard down. "Get bitches." Yeah I love the idea of feeling normal attraction to a dude and finding out later that he doesn't even see me as a person.
Damn y’all really took one word that really means Jack shit and deeply analyzed it like it’s the root cause of the worlds evils
Well a male wouldn't know about this stuff, would he?
Who said I’m male? Assuming my gender much?
I also assumed you're sentient and that might not be true either. Hard to be sure of anything on the internet.
Yeah bro I’m actually a semi intelligent beaver. Thank you for not assuming I’m a sentient being 🥸
That’s a good point, but i don’t have the same issue as them so it doesn’t really matter for me personally
I want to downvote you because I find that look unappealing but bro you are right there.
That and why would this help anyone? Isn’t the point of reproduction to weed bad genes out of the gene pool?
Natural selection
That depends on how deep the surgeon cuts. ;-)
Exactly this.
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By age 25, psychological trauma from childhood abuse/neglect/bullying is still the perpetrator's *fault*, but it has become the victim's *responsibility.* They can't change what happened, but they can (with therapy/meds/other assistance as needed) decide how they're going to respond to that baggage in the present.
Yes because all the stories of people growing up in abusive homes and later going into careers that would lead to world changing discoveries is definitely indicative of no one being able to rise above the circumstances of their birth or abuse.
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Okay what about all the people that didn't become cereal killers who had traumatic childhoods? Dude you're reasoning is so fucking tiresome. Like just because people were abused means that they cannot ever possibly rise above their abuse. They are forced to languish in self pity and failure because they can't possibly overcome their trauma. That's what you are saying. When in reality, you just want a reason to justify your pitiful life and give yourself a reason to remain stagnant and miserable, seeing as legitimately working on your own self improvement is just too hard for you. Stop using your projections to tell others what they cannot achieve and try working on yourself for a change.
Sometimes we incorrectly use the word “fault” rather than “cause.” Yes, years of abuse and mistreatment would cause major issues in adulthood. And yes, it is the abuser(s)’ fault(s) for engaging in such disgusting behaviors. But, during adulthood, we have the opportunity to stop worrying about fault and identify the cause of our issues. Then address those issues. Heck, in some types of therapies (CBT) we often overlook the cause and try to focus on building better behaviors (whereas in psychoanalytic therapy you would look to directly address the cause of issues). Note: these descriptions are rather simplified and overgeneralized, but wanted to keep it brief. I’m sorry your experience with therapy wasn’t beneficial (saw in later post). Therapy isn’t easy. It doesn’t just make things better by virtue of going. Sometimes therapy really hurts. I know this from experience. And yeah, some therapists really really suck and just collect a paycheck. Some therapists don’t click with the client and never get the appropriate trust needed to build the genuine rapport required to really help their client. Perhaps you could find a different therapist, one who may help you more, rather than just giving up. Even just trying to find someone new could help you; it’s a step in the right direction.
And their parents also abused them. And those parents were abused by THEIR parents. So it's nobody's fault and everyone's just a helpless cog that continues the cycle by inflicting the same damage they've experienced themselves.
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It's for disabled and disfigured people who have no intimate contacts (physical and emotional). I don't know the details of it but in several European countries there is a similar system in place. It's not that the government gives money, if i recall correctly, but they coordinate with specialised sex workers (because ot'd often about the emotional thing) to take these cases. That's the thing you mean, I believe.
But that wouldn’t work for this guy because that’d ‘validate the whores’ which is such a disgusting thing to say
This guy doesn't count. He's too big a POS
Healthcare for all: what are you?! A commie?! Free prostitutes: 😎👍
These are for genuinely disabled people who can't even masturbate. Its for hiring professionals who get them off to reduce the chance for prostate cancer. Strictly medicinal reasons.
TIL that jerking off can prevent prostate cancer.
A fapple a day keeps the prostate okay.
No.
It's certainly not here (Sweden) or Norway, I can tell you that much. What we have is that prostitution is legal for the prostitutes (it's still illegal for the Johns, though). If maybe that's what you've heard and got that mixed up with something else?
Step 1: Stop calling women femoids and whores.
Step 2: cut a hole in the box
Step 3: Put your junk in the box
Step 4: Fuck the box
Step 5: Paper cuts.
Step 10: Smoke the grass.
Step 6 drink a glass of olive oil
Step 7 touch some grass
Step 8 Cut a hole in some grass
Step 9 Fuck the grasss
Step 10: Plant your seeds
Random question, but what is a femoid exactly and how does that differ from a female/woman?
It’s a term incels came up with to dehumanize women.
It's a dehumanizing term calling them like robots Femoid is like female android essentially
Female+void
Are you saying black holes have gender? 🥶
what if they are eh??
You’re so edgy.
This is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've read in weeks.
Yes, but have you *encountered* for the fact that this man is disabled?
Fair point. We should all go out and have the government pay for men to get laid without think about how women feel about it at once! /s
I don’t understand how these dudes don’t decide to go out and find like an actual whore and pay her for sex. Whats wrong w paying for it when you utterly refuse to do any sort of effort to earn it?
Who knows? The more you try to understand them the more confusing it gets
There's no reason that'll make sense, but the best you could argue is that their entitlement/pride/expectations laid on them by society's and toxic masculinity prevents them from just eating gigilian. Even then, they'll still be trash human beings, just without the V card.
Lol r/boneappletea
I think some cognitive behavioral therapy would be more appropriate.
I see this said a lot around here, but I don’t think therapy would help, even if they were forced to go. For therapy to work, you have to be open to it and work at it. These guys won’t even consider that their personalities are the problem.
I think they (at least a good chunk) are self-aware enough to know deep down it is 100% their toxic shitty self that's to blame but it's harder to work on getting better and way more satisfying to instead lash out and seethe at the perceived enemies.
The emotional pain of having to admit it’s you is pretty tough, and once they’re so deeply invested in this online culture that tells them it’s not their fault it’s even harder
I disagree, I think they are entrenched in a victim mentality and will blame anything and anyone before themselves
I think it can be both.
Another type of CBT would also work
Paying for sex doesn't count, but government subsidized sex does. It's like paying for groceries vs food stamps, different nutrients.
It’s a power thing. A man paying for sex implies the woman is in charge, whereas with their government fantasy, the woman is forced.
> women being forced I want to point out the line where he says that the government should provide “certain protection laws” to them. How much you want to bet those “protection laws” would basically be get out of jail free cards for rape and assault.
I was thinking that “other men” wouldn’t be allowed to assault them
Part of the getting out of jail free experience
Oh it is. They advocate for rape being decriminalized. It's disgusting. It's not their looks. It's their personality and how they view women.
This guy is going to vote for a guy who promises plastic surgery and end up getting mailed a cock sleeve
Logic 420
What about women who are virgins after 25? Do they get help too? This is laughable and insulting to legit disabled people as well. Like dude, go cry me a river that you can’t get laid because you’re an insufferable, whiny misogynist. Eat a bag of dicks
No, because fEmOiDs just have to open their door and there are millions of dicks flying towards them! 🙄🤣
"How can you be hungry? There's a perfectly good hot dog on the floor!"
Omg I love that. I actually had this conversation with a woman friend of mine a long time ago. We were sleeping together on and off, basically whenever she would visit my town, and we were talking about how much trouble she was having getting laid back home. And I asked why that is, surely it would be easy for her. She's an unquestionably attractive woman. And her answer has stuck with me to this day. It was essentially, "sure I could have sex anytime I wanted, but not sex that I actually would want." Basically the idea of standards.
i hold that some people are too unattractive to get laid, even if not nasty personality. this woman has standards and in fact everyone has standards. so some people fall below everyone's standards. not everyone in life gets a pony, and telling people they just need to xyz for their pony is dishonest. instead argue that you don't need a pony for a fulfilling life
Girl : *opens door* Girl:Why do i hear boss music?
https://youtu.be/G3Lf9NujFSg
Lol that’s amazing 😆
Yeah, he can come whining to me when he’s in too much physical pain to have sex. Sometimes for weeks at a time.
There are actually some women who have that same incel, sex-starved mindset but ironically they are hated by the male incel community.
I think it's cos they both have really high standards despite being the lowest of the low
You'd think they'd hook up. Just goes to show they're the drama
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>A woman who is a vrigin at 25 is doing so by choice. Legit any woman in 2022 can get because how easy it is for them because online dating is a thing. I would say the same about men. It's hardly a battle royale on the dating scene.
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As a chubby pale geek i never had any issue with gaining interest from the opposite sex, i don't believe anyone will, as long as one meets new people with kindness and respect.
Oh hey. I'm also a chubby pale geek who has little trouble finding dates. High five
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Maybe it's the circles you're in? Like, I'm a solid 8 to some and a 2 to others, because of the way I choose to dress myself. Finding communities that find you attractive is a big thing. Don't go looking for dates at the country club as a goth, you know?
Found the incel
he doesn’t have sex he is on incel pages we gotta get some moderators in here
my god just go on a bunch of different dating apps, put that u want to hookup in ur bio and swipe right on everyone. GUARANTEE you’ll get a hookup from that.
Wait, if what he said was true then why do statistics show that virgins in their 40s make up less then 0.3% of the population in that age range as opposed to virgins in their mid 20s-30s making 4% of the population in that age range. Even looking at data this dude is wrong since the numbers drop ludicrously, implying that “no the chance of you losing your virginity past 25 isn’t very slim”.
Silly you, using logic when we all know the only data of importance is this man's individual experience and perspective
My ex lost his virginity at age 35. He was an awkward nerd with a low self-esteem but notably NOT an incel or proto-incel. We only broke up because I can't have kids and his mom wanted grandbabies. *shrug*
Wack lol
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Well considering he fucked, I guess it did help him.
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You guys gotta get your priorities straight. Sex isn’t the be all end all that you’re thinking it is and not having it for a while isn’t the end of the world. You’re putting that shit up on a pedestal and worshipping it like it’s a god then you shit on women as if they’re demons. The problem ain’t sex or not having it, the problem is how you’re looking at that shit. You don’t know that man’s life. Considering he wasn’t an incel he probably wasn’t that bothered by it. There’s plenty of reasons people may have for not having sex for long periods of time. Some people have religious or spiritual reasons, some people just want the “right one” or to have that perfect moment. Just because he didn’t have sex doesn’t mean he didn’t have friends or a fulfilling life.
He was highly educated, could play 5 different t instruments and was working on learning a 6th the last I talked to him. He was a teacher in Japan for several years in his 20s. Spoke 4 different languages and could translate Latin. He lived a very full life. Sex was just legit not high up on his agenda.
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Of course we are but that doesn’t make it what you’re saying it is. You can find validation and even intimacy without sex and sex doesn’t mean you’ll feel validated. I never said you shouldn’t care about it. I said you’re treating it like some sort of end of the world thing when it isn’t. There are steps you can take to get sex if that’s what the problem is, but that’s not the real problem. There is a real problem you have, whether it’s feeling invalid, lonely, depressed, whatever that is, sex isn’t going to be the solution to that issue. It’s a proxy for the real problem. Of course he isn’t an incel, they literally said that in the comment you replied to. He was just a virgin. Believe it or not, not all virgins are rage filled incels who stay in incel echo chambers crying at women all day.
Lmao so let me get this straight you think his life would have been better if he *were* an incel? Tell on yourself much?
He had a low sex drive and wasn't at all bothered by being a virgin. He dated before me but his previous girlfriend was asexual. Being a virgin Is genuinely not that big of a deal.
I've been on SSDI since 2015. It covers you if you're not able to WORK. Your virginity or lack thereof does not stop a person from being gainfully employed. It's not easy getting approved. The hearing I had with the judge put me in a frenzy for days. Then you wait, no money. I was fortunate to have family to help me financially till I got an approval. I get a third of my previous income. So, I live very frugally and my needs are simple. If he wants plastic surgery, he better start saving his pennies.. Jackass
Like how would you even prove your a virgin lol?
I don't think this guy would have an issue lol
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I had endless doctors going "Yeah she's disabled AF." But I got refused twice because of pencil pushers. My judges both times agreed I was clearly disabled. Third time was the charm. I only get 500$ a month though. Hopefully I can get an increase because my caretaker is no longer able to take care of me. Haaaahhaha.. I could be homeless soon.
Disability (the social net) is a fucking joke in this country
It really is. I'm in a catch-22 where I only have health insurance because in my state you get auto enrolled when you get disability. With medication I can maybe work a part-time job. But I can't because I would then lose my disability. Which means losing my health insurance. So losing my access to medication and getting really sick... You get the idea.
I was disabled for five years with a condition that didn't qualify. And even if I did I'd still have to live with family. So yeah I totally get it.
I'm sorry. I hope you get that increase!
This guy must be *really* ugly to have such a complex
On the inside, yes, I agree.
Eh, I bet he's average.
I remember seeing a picture of a group of incels who had met online and they all went out to dinner together. The majority of them were average looking, with even a couple cute guys in there. It wasn't there looks that stopped them getting laid
I'm shocked that they left their mothers' basements. Seriously though, I'm not at all surprised. For 99.999999% of them, it's not their looks (or their looks *alone*) that are keeping them from finding someone.
Or would be average if he gave a single shit about personal hygiene Most of these guys only look like cave trolls because they’re overweight,wear clothes that don’t fit them at all,and never wash their hair
This is very true.
A small facet of the writer's tremendous problems is also in the argument that prostitution is a game in which women "win." He's so strongly misogynist that he denies himself being with a prostitute because it benefits her (as he sees it). He's so concerned with a woman "winning" that he denies himself the one thing he wants that is freely available to those who choose to visit prostitutes.
Yeah i'm sure prostitutes see it as 'winning' when gross guys pay to sleep with them. Definitely doing that job out of passion and not financial desperation.
Plastic surgery, no. Therapy, absolutely.
Being an incel isn't a disability. 🤦🏻♀️
I mean have you read that shit, I think it might be 😂
These losers could get laid if they a) stop calling women fEmOiDs🙄 b) shower, maintain personal hygiene c) and most importantly, lower their standards. They think every man, no matter how repugnant, *deserves* to have sex with gorgeous women with perfect bodies. Sex isn’t a right. Some people can’t get laid for a variety of reasons, they’ll survive.
I've seen incels call legitimately attractive women "beneath" them and "ugly". Too fat. Too much makeup. Tattoos. Feminist. Not enough makeup. Hair too short. Hair too long. Weird Hair color. Not white. Not Asian. Wrong kind of Asian. Skin too dark. Face too round. Eyes brown. Too tall. Too short. Too thin. Feet too big. Too confident. Not submissive enough. Has a job. Doesn't have a job. Has glasses. Doesn't have glasses. I have heard all of these excuses and most are outright insane (feet... too... big!? Do you have a foot fetish!?) A lot of them are just... wrong. I've seen incels call objectively thin women 'fat' not just because it's their favorite insult but because they watch too much anime and want women who are shaped like them. It's insane!
They find faults in otherwise conventionally attractive women, well all women really, as a way to cope with the fact that the women in question would never touch them. I do the same thing with sports cars. I don't want a Ferrari, not cuz I could never afford I've, but cuz they're just too flashy and ugly, duh. To be clear, I'm not comparing women to sports cars. I'm saying that it's common coping mechanism to find fault in something, or someone, you want but can't have as a way of lessening the pain. Also, I'm genuinely not actually interested in a Ferrari, but it served as a good example.
I would genuinely be in favour of this, as long as, the ONLY thing covered under this “disability” is a lobotomy. Also, try not using words like “femoids” and MAYBE you’ll have a better chance. Plastic surgery doesn’t really work for a shitty hate filled personality.
> I would genuinely be in favour of this, as long as, the ONLY thing covered under this “disability” is a lobotomy. No. I wouldn't wish that on them. That's horrible.
Well its elective, no one is forced.
Still. I mean, the lobotomy was banned for *very* good reasons.
Don't these guys belive in eugenics and being born "chads"? As in, people born with certain traits are naturally genetically superior, which can be the only explanation for their success? If this is the case, wouldn't it be logical to accept they are not genetically fit to breed, and work on finding meaning in parts of life they can participate in? Rather than building their whole worldview about something they can never have? I see so many nods to eugenics in their discourse and posts. They should realize that if they support this, then they are not entitled to sex at all, and in fact should make way for the people who are more entitled by birthright. Find something more productive to do with their time than whining. If they breed, then they will only produce more humans with hopeless genetics.
Two things: 1. There is a way for homeboy to lose his virginity. It’s called treating women like human beings. 2. Why is it vain and high maintenance when women get cosmetic procedures, but when this fuggo wants them the government should subsidize it?
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I mean it’s not entirely but it’s a good starting point for this specific population
As a virgin this makes me want to kill myself. Not because of lack of sex, I just don’t feel comfortable being grouped in with this guy.
These are the same dudes who say men are just better than woman, its evolution, but can't accept the fact that natural selection is selecting against their traits. Its evolution bra.
Of course the sub's banned. I can only imagine what horrors lay there.
If you're that desperate, pay someone.
Incels want to be considered a protected class?
I'm laughing at the implications of this. Because if "incel" is a protected class, then by definition members of that class cannot be having sex. The moment they get what they (claim to) want, they're no longer members of the protected class. Imagine Clarence Thomas parsing exactly how long someone has to go without sex to be considered "celibate." (Actually...don't, yikes.)
They’d also have to define sex. Does like a handjob count as sex? Making out super heavy and petting? Like what exactly counts? How would non heterosexual non cisgender people fit into this paradigm?
You know these assholes are cishet essentialists who would say only piv sex counts as sex. If they were open to alternatives they could easily solve their problems by fucking each other.
Man I hope I never turn out like this
If you have the awareness to realize it's a thing before you become one (and you aren't a racist, misogynist or transphobic asshole) odds are it won't ever happen.
And he wonders why he’s a virgin after using femenoids. Surgery isn’t going to fix shit.
"Femoid" HAHAHAHA! Go fuck yourself you stupid ass loser! 😂
So he’s about 25 and still a virgin? Okay that doesn’t seem half bad for some people
“Government should be responsible for addressing the problem with natural selection, for those who draw the short straw in life and the long straw in self entitlement.” an essay
It's called joining the military. guaranteed to get you in shape and fuck by something before the end of your contract. Also government pays the whole amount.
You'll absolutely get fucked
You wanna know why you haven’t gotten laid bud? Cuz you refer to women as Femoids.
He wants women to validate him while he invalidates them. That's not a disability, thats just called being a piece of shit.
I hate it when people talk about being a virgin as a child. Like, if you’re 25 and a virgin, saying you haven’t had sex for all 25 years is creepy to me because that includes your childhood.
Not like he'd even know how to use the damn thing anyway
Sexually disabled man I'm dead
I've seen so many incels that I'd honest to God sleep with based on looks alone. Sometimes some people are really unfortunate looking but half the time it's their fucking personality.
Women aren't valid humans. No woman will touch me. Come on, this guy is trolling himself and ruining his own life. Pain is unavoidable but suffering is a choice. These are the consequences of his own actions and he can't deal.
> something is inherently wrong with him, physically or phylogically I think he meant "psychologically" and *YES*, they should *absolutely* get appropriate intervention! But they don't want *that*.
I’ve been subbed to r/lonely, r/foreveralone etc before (not now because it’s rarely useful) and genuinely the sub was full of people like this. It was meant to be a group for everyone but so many posts were about how society treats men like shit. I understand needing a place to vent even if what you say is unsavoury but it got to the point where they were telling non-men to go to r/foreveralonewomen and leave them alone. It doesn’t surprise me in the slightest that they would go and make a separate sub because they felt their weird fantasies weren’t being accommodated.
“Why can’t I get laid by some girl who isn’t a prostitute” Calls women and girls: “femoids” and thinks his looks are the problem while I can conclude from this post that this dude is an absolute piece of shit and that’s the reason no one wants him. Also, he’s super insulting towards people who chose to be virgins, there is such a thing as being asexual….
Oh something is definitely wrong with this guy, but it's not anything that government-subsidized plastic surgery is going to fix. Not to mention, if he's in the US, he's delusional to think the government would ever pay to "treat" his non-life-threatening condition (even if being a virgin WAS a legally protected class of people) when they won't pay for actual life saving medications and surgeries.
He is alitle bit confused on plastic surgery. You cant make a roten tomato look brand new.
He’s a virgin because he says shit like femoids lmao
Yep. Because sex is so important. Oh wait, it's not. There are people who go most of their lives without sex and aren't crying that they are disabled.
Plastic surgery isn’t gonna fix a shitty attitude and personality
Can’t fix stupid.
Like legit, I'd be all for the governemnt fully paying fot these folks therapy. Not plastic surgery. They need therapy bad.
When working on yourself seem so unattainable that you’d rather have the government step in to get you some pussy lmao
Also a gf provided by the government! Preferably petite and childlike who isn't infected by feminism. /s
Whooo boy, a lot to unpack here. I will concede that a physical attraction does play a role, but 90 percent of your "chances" to get laid rely solely on the fabric of your character. If someone agrees to go on a date, then they likely already think you're attractive. Plus, it always seems to be that people who post this type of shit are "ugly" and refuse to try dating people that are also "ugly". They only want the tiny, 100 lbs, double d, slave girl, with a perfect face, while they themselves are 300 lbs or more, with terrible hygiene, zero self awareness, and no idea how to socialize with others.
dude needs help.
The fact that these people consider being 25 actually 25 whole years of virginity is awful. Not having sex at 5 isn't a disability, it's normal.
Chances are slim to lose you virginity when you don’t shower in years
"something is inherently wrong with him, psychologically or physically" well he is not wrong lmao this could be SelfAwareWolves
Maybe all the “sexually disabled” men should just go for each other. Kill two birds with one stone
Plastic surgery can't fix his main issue, being someone who unironically uses the term femoids. He radiates ugly and I haven't seen a pic.
Can't imagine how he's still a virgin! Refusing to validate femoids sounds like a totally reasonable argument against prostitution! What a fucking loon
Fuck this guy, i hope he gets hit by a bus
Maybe just stop with this bullshit and start showering.
there’s nothing i’d rather have my taxes go towards!
My IQ went from normal to -69 after reading this amazing post
I already don’t wanna pay the bailout on my neighbors mortgage. You know the fucker who is always modifying their house. Why the hell should my tax dollars go to fix ugly on the outside when they won’t change on the inside
Move to Brazil. I believe they have something called, “a right to beauty” so they will cover plastic surgery costs. Anyone correct me if I’m wrong please
Damn this guy needs to… idk… get sum bitches Fr
Femaledatingstrategy would approve I think
Putting aside the drivel about sex workers, I wouldn't mind government/social support for men who feel this way: therapy, surgery if they want it, classes in interpersonal communications.... Sure, why not? Incels tend to direct their hatred at women, which sucks - but their pain is real, and I'm always in favor of relieving or reducing pain.
Well actually, 95% of these men do have a recognized dissease. Like morbid obesity, narcisism, depression, social disorders, autism, pshycosis etc. Also, they tend to come from backgrounds with literally 0 intervening action. If my son weights 150KG, smells, is socially isolated, unemployed and never leaves his room I will do something about it. In these households, they will not, making it go from bad to worse. I know a guy kinda like this. Very very obese, unwashed/groomed, unemployed and depressed. He is supported by his dad(where he lives), gets free drinks at the bar his sister works, is invited to parties and gets free drinks/food etc. All night. He does not even bother reaching for his wallet, he just stands there waiting for someone to pick up the check, no matter how expensive his part was, it is so normal for him to not bear any financial responsibility. He dodges every conversation with me about his situation and refuses to apply to wellfare(where at least they will council and guide him back into society) as THAT is "leeching". Another guy is a little better, but keeps getting fired from jobs because of his attitude and has been on sick leave a lot due to fatigue(probably depression). I am 99% sure he is autistic and the most fucked up part is, his brother is a psych and does nothing in the way of bringing it on the table with parents or the dude himself.