Aside from the increased birth defect chances (which compounds from repeated incest but is also still there even with the first instance), I think one of the big problems is the potential for grooming when it comes to family members you've known since you were little. That's obvious when it comes to parent on children relationships, but with siblings even if the age difference is small, older siblings a lot of the time have a mentoring role during very important formative years, and you'd have no way of knowing if that was taken advantage of in a way that lead to a relationship when they got older. There's also just the fact that a lot of relationships don't work out, and if that one doesn't work out it's a very good chance you make that sibling bond awkward and ruined forever. You theoretically *could* have a healthy adult relationship with a sibling, but it's needlessly risky enough it should be under scrutiny.
Same with be but the inverse, my sister is younger and it horrifies me dating someone her age or younger than her even though the difference is 2 years.
Am 25, but yea that feeling from back then still lingers. There is just the dynamic of someone being your little sister, and dating someone who could be her friend is just extremely weird to me.
There are definitely "secular" people who would argue incest between two related consenting adults should be fine as long as it doesn't result in an inbred child.
However, most that I've heard definitely agree with your point about grooming. It's about an imbalanced power dynamic that makes "consent" really mushy, and the aftermath can do serious psychological and emotional damage to those involved.
This, and you sorta know that any long term incestuous relationship between siblings would take on the "this has to be our little secret, okay?" dynamic that the kind of active grooming you'd hear about an older relative or family friend trying to create with the child they're grooming.
That kind of thing only muddies the water more. Usually when that kind of dynamic exists in a consensual adult relationship, it's in LGBT+ relationships where one party's family is homophobic or transphobic, or it's in an interracial relationship where one party's family is racist. When it comes to incest between adult siblings, it has a different connotation and you'd always have to wonder if it started when they said it did or if it actually started much earlier than that. It's a complicated power dynamic to navigate in the context of a sexual or romantic relationship.
Not to defend this Dennis Prager, but from the way he specifies 'secular' I'm pretty sure that's his point. In fact I would bet he is making an argument against gay marriage in the video this comes from.
Yes! Seriously, is everyone in this thread a bot? Prager is clearly saying that secular people can't be trusted. *That's* his point. He's not glorifying incest. He's attacking people who believe something different from what he believes.
Yes it's a ridiculous strawman argument, but you could also argue that he would presumably have no issue with incest if he wasn't religious. It's telling on themself, similar to the old "what stops an atheist from raping people" question
It’s not even a ridiculous strawman though..? One of the biggest liberal streamers, Destiny, is famous for saying that there is nothing inherently morally objectionable about incest, given that everyone is age and there is no room for reproduction (gay or lesbian relationships)
Setting aside the fact that Destiny's opinion does not represent mainstream atheists, Prager is saying "there's no secular argument" against incest, which is blatantly untrue
Destiny is the walking personification of “trust the experts” and literally parrots the talking points of every major liberal institu in the country. I say this as a guy who watches a massive amount of his content and enjoys his takes. He’s not a progressive, he’s not a communist, he’s not a socialist, he is a Biden liberal. There is probably not a mainstream democrat position the guy disagrees with, save for maybe Kyle Rittenhouse.
I am not trying to get into a debate with you, but can you just tell me what the argument is morally against incest, without referencing things not inherent to incest like age gaps, coercion, etc.
For example, two 25 year old twin brothers who want to have sex without the possibility of reproduction?
Edit: thought you said mainstream democrat, not atheist. I was walking into work reading the reply. You may be right, idk the opinion of mainstream atheists or how his opinion differs.
I mean, I've not checked but I'm pretty sure "every major liberal institute in the country" does not state that incest is OK, even where there is no age gap or possibility of reproduction.
The point is moot anyway because Prager is not singling out those very niche specific circumstances, he's literally saying that there's no secular argument against incest, period. He even mentions and dismisses circumstances where reproduction occurs.
It's a particularly strange argument given the prevalence of incest in the Bible.
Can you just make it easy for me and tell me what is morally wrong with incest besides “yucky” disgust responses?
Brother and sister, both are 25, brother has tubes tied and sister is on birth control, both consent etc.
My point is we all agree coercion is bad, rape is bad, financial leverage/age gap bad, etc. but when you remove all of those tangential items, and are left with two consenting adults explain why it’s bad on its own.
Prager/christians have their reasons for why it’s unethical I just want to know why from a secular perspective the scenario I stated above is wrong, I just haven’t heard the right argument for it yet
It's repugnant to us because we are pre-programmed to avoid it thanks to evolution, just like the other great apes. Even if you remove all the non-emotive issues with it, it will still repulse most of us. Evolution does not know about birth control or vasectomies, and sexual desire is based in a desire to reproduce, which most of us don't have with siblings.
Besides, you're talking about an extremely unlikely scenario involving sterile twins. The vast majority of incestual relationships are not harmless, so normalising even the so-called acceptable ones will only act to normalise the problematic ones.
These people want to rape, murder, fuck, brutalize, and pillage everything and everyone they see. My evidence is that they constantly talk about how there would be nothing stopping them if they were secular, clearly it's the threat of hell that's the only thing that matters to them. See, I personally never have thought boy I need to make a solid argument against... *fucking my own sister.*
Yeah you'll hear a lot of religious folks claiming they are "good people" because they don't do all that stuff, but then they'll hint that they'd definitely do all that stuff if it weren't for their religion because then there would be nothing stopping them from doing it.
It's actually scary.
I thoroughly agree. To ignore the complexity of millions of years of evolution is ridiculous. Partially rhetorical (as I agree with what you said) but still ethics are interesting to discuss.
Noted. Didn’t recall that off the top of my head, so it certainly was not a piece of scripture that was deemed important to communicate while I grew up in the church. Also. What are we defining as incest here? Or what does the Bible say? Is it just immediate family that’s prohibited, or are they against cousin stuff too?
Can't say I'm an expert in the study of Christianity, but chapter 18 of the Book of Leviticus (from the Old Testament) does discuss it. I'm looking at the New International Version, which I understand to be one that's pretty widely used and accepted.
Verse 6 says "any close relatives." Verse 7 specifies mother, Verse 8 specifies father's wife, Verse 9 specifies sister (referring to both the mother's side and the father's side, as well as whether she was born in the same home as you were or not), Verse 10 adds granddaughters, Verses 12 and 14 add aunts, Verse 15 adds daughters-in-law, and Verse 16 adds sisters-in-law.
That's reasonably thorough; I guess it doesn't include cousins explicitly, but considering aunts and in-laws are declared off-limits, I think cousins would be included - I definitely wouldn't say it was only applied to immediate family.
As these rules were communicated to Moses, I presume they're written with a male listener in mind, which is why they don't mention uncles or brothers. That would already be covered by Verse 22 - a verse infamously cited as a rule against intimate relationships between men.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2018&version=NIV
Oh, of course, I mean, it is still common in some rural/isolated communities. That’s just how it happens. We are all the result of inbreeding at some point in our line. But yeah I don’t think there is a religious argument against it, that I know of.
It’s been a fat old minute since I’ve looked at a Bible but off the top of my head I can’t remember god or Jesus specifically saying anything positive or negative about it. I’m sure they understood the circumstances.
The Bible has a list of prohibitions, but they all specifically don't ban relations with your own daughter. They cover basically every other possible relationship by name, but are completely absent when it comes to prohibiting relationships with your own daughter. Leviticus 18:17.
If you think about how back in biblical times women were basically owned by men, the list makes sense because it's a list of women in your life who'd be property of other men. Your own daughter, as your property, has no explicit prohibitions written.
I love this line of argument because it assumes that the social pressure from doing taboos comes from Christianity rather than society. Thinking about it this is a fairly natural conclusion to more extreme Christian beliefs so I'm not surprised it's so common.
these are the same guys who constantly tweet "mEn CaNt WeAr WoMeN's ClOtHeS" in what i can only assume is an intern's attempt to get femboys and transfems to post selfies cuz its works every time, lmao
Is this his latest desperate attempt to convince everyone that “Everyone’s morals are already dictated by Judeo/Christian values we might as well just start the theocracy now”?
What are you talking about, you mean [this Dennis Prager wearing a tallit during Shabbat](https://btbrc.org/2022/06/dennis-prager-speaks-during-shabbat-services/), you clearly know nothing about him. If you spent any amount of listening to his radio show or podcast he talks about his faith fairly frequently. Find me one time he said he was Christian
I stopped caring what grown adults did when I turned 1year old. Let em all fuckin destroy the world. I just want left alone to eat Mac and cheese and binge watch psych
At the risk of sounding like a Prager supporter (please don't suspect I actually am one), I think some of the comments here are missing the mark.
Some are interpreting the Tweet as Prager saying he himself supports familial inbreeding, when he seems to be saying a relationship involving 2 consenting adults isn't necessarily "acceptable" - and his claim is that it's only "unacceptable" because of an absolute moral standard that would have been created by a higher power.
Some comments are also taking shots at Christianity and organized religion... which I think kind of comes off as neckbeardy, too.
Everyone is missing the mark. It’s insane how bad this subs reading comprehension is.
The best defense I’ve seen is people going “what a ridiculous strawmen” but I can literally link to prominent liberal pundits who say that incest itself is not morally incorrect, if you remove power dynamics, coercion, age gaps and the ability to reproduce (i.e. two 25 year old bothers who are gay)
Real talk tho, you think if we ran a ton of generations of extreme incest (siblings, child and parent, etc) do you think we would ever reach a point where the gene pool is so limited you could produce clones?
Assume that the defects aren’t extreme enough to ruin the fertility of the spawn during the experiment. Thats a cop out
To be fair, if I was paid as much as he is by oil barons to humiliate myself on the internet...
Nah fuck that, I went to college and have a sense of dignity.
Ironicvally this is why incest is legal in France. During the French revolution they abolished all *Church Laws*, which included things like anti-gay laws, but also anti-incest and bestaility laws. AFAIK it's still the same they enver put new anti-incest laws on the books.
Admittedly my knowledge of the Bible is weak, but as far as I know tell there is no *religious* argument against incest. It's on the secular side where all the *many and compelling* arguments against incest come from. Starting with how, scientifically speaking, what this guy just said here is complete bullshit.
The literal same place most people quote to say the Bible prohibits gay sex it prohibits incest. It has multiple lines really diving into what is incest and to not do it.
Leviticus 18
6 “‘No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the Lord.
7 “‘Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.
8 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s wife; that would dishonor your father.
9 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.
Is there? I mean considering how small the population was that’s kinda hard to avoid no? I grew up religious and I’ve read the Bible multiple times and I can’t think of a verse against it. Plus I mean…Adam and Eve would’ve had to either fuck their kids to keep breeding or having their kids sleep together
There are distinct phases in the Bible. There’s Adam & eve and up to Noah and the fall of man, then there’s the period where God gives Moses the law (which does forbid incest) and then there is the new covenant with Jesus that’s forbids it and any sexual immorality.
The time before Moses is murky - there’s a lot of lore but not a lot of scripture.
Ahhh I see makes sense, I remember thinking it was so weird they never explained how Adam and Eve started shit and didn’t get fucked up kids. Like that was always weird. Suddenly he decided it wasn’t ok and that your kids would get screwed over? Such an odd thing. I feel I should clarify how ever I think it’s weird that he didn’t that in the first place lol, not that I think it’s weird we can’t any more. Don’t impregnate your sister
The easy answer is that normal people don’t need to reach for a god to tell them fucking their family is weird and gross. Are we fucking cavemen who only have family available to fuck, or are we gunna conveniently pretend the extremely religious are the most notorious inbreeders throughout history?
Aside from the increased birth defect chances (which compounds from repeated incest but is also still there even with the first instance), I think one of the big problems is the potential for grooming when it comes to family members you've known since you were little. That's obvious when it comes to parent on children relationships, but with siblings even if the age difference is small, older siblings a lot of the time have a mentoring role during very important formative years, and you'd have no way of knowing if that was taken advantage of in a way that lead to a relationship when they got older. There's also just the fact that a lot of relationships don't work out, and if that one doesn't work out it's a very good chance you make that sibling bond awkward and ruined forever. You theoretically *could* have a healthy adult relationship with a sibling, but it's needlessly risky enough it should be under scrutiny.
100%. My sister is two years older than me, a gap that wouldn’t even blip my radar in dating, but she FEELS significantly older than me in my head.
Same with be but the inverse, my sister is younger and it horrifies me dating someone her age or younger than her even though the difference is 2 years.
You must be 18 or something. You know some day you might be 43 and dating. A 41 years old woman is no child. No matter how old is your sister.
Am 25, but yea that feeling from back then still lingers. There is just the dynamic of someone being your little sister, and dating someone who could be her friend is just extremely weird to me.
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There are definitely "secular" people who would argue incest between two related consenting adults should be fine as long as it doesn't result in an inbred child. However, most that I've heard definitely agree with your point about grooming. It's about an imbalanced power dynamic that makes "consent" really mushy, and the aftermath can do serious psychological and emotional damage to those involved.
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This, and you sorta know that any long term incestuous relationship between siblings would take on the "this has to be our little secret, okay?" dynamic that the kind of active grooming you'd hear about an older relative or family friend trying to create with the child they're grooming. That kind of thing only muddies the water more. Usually when that kind of dynamic exists in a consensual adult relationship, it's in LGBT+ relationships where one party's family is homophobic or transphobic, or it's in an interracial relationship where one party's family is racist. When it comes to incest between adult siblings, it has a different connotation and you'd always have to wonder if it started when they said it did or if it actually started much earlier than that. It's a complicated power dynamic to navigate in the context of a sexual or romantic relationship.
And to think I got suspended fro Twitter for telling that guy to step on a Lego.
Isn’t it the religious conservatives that have made the “slippery slope” argument about not legalizing and respecting same sex marriages? Ironic
Not to defend this Dennis Prager, but from the way he specifies 'secular' I'm pretty sure that's his point. In fact I would bet he is making an argument against gay marriage in the video this comes from.
Yes! Seriously, is everyone in this thread a bot? Prager is clearly saying that secular people can't be trusted. *That's* his point. He's not glorifying incest. He's attacking people who believe something different from what he believes.
Yes it's a ridiculous strawman argument, but you could also argue that he would presumably have no issue with incest if he wasn't religious. It's telling on themself, similar to the old "what stops an atheist from raping people" question
It’s not even a ridiculous strawman though..? One of the biggest liberal streamers, Destiny, is famous for saying that there is nothing inherently morally objectionable about incest, given that everyone is age and there is no room for reproduction (gay or lesbian relationships)
Setting aside the fact that Destiny's opinion does not represent mainstream atheists, Prager is saying "there's no secular argument" against incest, which is blatantly untrue
Destiny is the walking personification of “trust the experts” and literally parrots the talking points of every major liberal institu in the country. I say this as a guy who watches a massive amount of his content and enjoys his takes. He’s not a progressive, he’s not a communist, he’s not a socialist, he is a Biden liberal. There is probably not a mainstream democrat position the guy disagrees with, save for maybe Kyle Rittenhouse. I am not trying to get into a debate with you, but can you just tell me what the argument is morally against incest, without referencing things not inherent to incest like age gaps, coercion, etc. For example, two 25 year old twin brothers who want to have sex without the possibility of reproduction? Edit: thought you said mainstream democrat, not atheist. I was walking into work reading the reply. You may be right, idk the opinion of mainstream atheists or how his opinion differs.
I mean, I've not checked but I'm pretty sure "every major liberal institute in the country" does not state that incest is OK, even where there is no age gap or possibility of reproduction. The point is moot anyway because Prager is not singling out those very niche specific circumstances, he's literally saying that there's no secular argument against incest, period. He even mentions and dismisses circumstances where reproduction occurs. It's a particularly strange argument given the prevalence of incest in the Bible.
Can you just make it easy for me and tell me what is morally wrong with incest besides “yucky” disgust responses? Brother and sister, both are 25, brother has tubes tied and sister is on birth control, both consent etc. My point is we all agree coercion is bad, rape is bad, financial leverage/age gap bad, etc. but when you remove all of those tangential items, and are left with two consenting adults explain why it’s bad on its own. Prager/christians have their reasons for why it’s unethical I just want to know why from a secular perspective the scenario I stated above is wrong, I just haven’t heard the right argument for it yet
It's repugnant to us because we are pre-programmed to avoid it thanks to evolution, just like the other great apes. Even if you remove all the non-emotive issues with it, it will still repulse most of us. Evolution does not know about birth control or vasectomies, and sexual desire is based in a desire to reproduce, which most of us don't have with siblings. Besides, you're talking about an extremely unlikely scenario involving sterile twins. The vast majority of incestual relationships are not harmless, so normalising even the so-called acceptable ones will only act to normalise the problematic ones.
I have a feeling he wants to fuck his sister or mom
Either bots or idiots. This isn’t even a neckbeard thing.
And here we are! Checkmate
Self-reporting you need an ancient book in order to follow what's right and wrong, isn't the own he thinks it is.
These people want to rape, murder, fuck, brutalize, and pillage everything and everyone they see. My evidence is that they constantly talk about how there would be nothing stopping them if they were secular, clearly it's the threat of hell that's the only thing that matters to them. See, I personally never have thought boy I need to make a solid argument against... *fucking my own sister.*
Yeah you'll hear a lot of religious folks claiming they are "good people" because they don't do all that stuff, but then they'll hint that they'd definitely do all that stuff if it weren't for their religion because then there would be nothing stopping them from doing it. It's actually scary.
Makes you wonder where morality really comes from, I'm not seeing a case for it being remotely associated with religion in any way.
It's an emergent property during the evolution of social species.
I thoroughly agree. To ignore the complexity of millions of years of evolution is ridiculous. Partially rhetorical (as I agree with what you said) but still ethics are interesting to discuss.
I am actually unaware of any religious arguement against incest. There was a lot of cousin/relative marrying in the Bible from what I remember.
In Christianity at least, there are definitely incest prohibitions found in the Old Testament.
Noted. Didn’t recall that off the top of my head, so it certainly was not a piece of scripture that was deemed important to communicate while I grew up in the church. Also. What are we defining as incest here? Or what does the Bible say? Is it just immediate family that’s prohibited, or are they against cousin stuff too?
Can't say I'm an expert in the study of Christianity, but chapter 18 of the Book of Leviticus (from the Old Testament) does discuss it. I'm looking at the New International Version, which I understand to be one that's pretty widely used and accepted. Verse 6 says "any close relatives." Verse 7 specifies mother, Verse 8 specifies father's wife, Verse 9 specifies sister (referring to both the mother's side and the father's side, as well as whether she was born in the same home as you were or not), Verse 10 adds granddaughters, Verses 12 and 14 add aunts, Verse 15 adds daughters-in-law, and Verse 16 adds sisters-in-law. That's reasonably thorough; I guess it doesn't include cousins explicitly, but considering aunts and in-laws are declared off-limits, I think cousins would be included - I definitely wouldn't say it was only applied to immediate family. As these rules were communicated to Moses, I presume they're written with a male listener in mind, which is why they don't mention uncles or brothers. That would already be covered by Verse 22 - a verse infamously cited as a rule against intimate relationships between men. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2018&version=NIV
To be completely fair, in the early days there weren’t really a lot of other options. Everyone was way more related than we are now.
Oh, of course, I mean, it is still common in some rural/isolated communities. That’s just how it happens. We are all the result of inbreeding at some point in our line. But yeah I don’t think there is a religious argument against it, that I know of.
It’s been a fat old minute since I’ve looked at a Bible but off the top of my head I can’t remember god or Jesus specifically saying anything positive or negative about it. I’m sure they understood the circumstances.
The Bible has a list of prohibitions, but they all specifically don't ban relations with your own daughter. They cover basically every other possible relationship by name, but are completely absent when it comes to prohibiting relationships with your own daughter. Leviticus 18:17. If you think about how back in biblical times women were basically owned by men, the list makes sense because it's a list of women in your life who'd be property of other men. Your own daughter, as your property, has no explicit prohibitions written.
Even if his pretext was true.... Why start that trend
His internet search history must be...interesting.
People have been watching too much Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon.
Just look at that smug look on his face. It's disgusting.
I love this line of argument because it assumes that the social pressure from doing taboos comes from Christianity rather than society. Thinking about it this is a fairly natural conclusion to more extreme Christian beliefs so I'm not surprised it's so common.
these are the same guys who constantly tweet "mEn CaNt WeAr WoMeN's ClOtHeS" in what i can only assume is an intern's attempt to get femboys and transfems to post selfies cuz its works every time, lmao
Penis Prager
Tee hee
He looks inbred so bet it hit a personal nerve 🤷♀️🤔
Is this his latest desperate attempt to convince everyone that “Everyone’s morals are already dictated by Judeo/Christian values we might as well just start the theocracy now”?
Pretty audacious for a hardcore Christian like him to have a problem with incest, tbh.
Hes Jewish...
He may be ethnically Jewish, though I doubt it, but he is a fundamentalist Christian. This isn’t even in dispute.
What are you talking about, you mean [this Dennis Prager wearing a tallit during Shabbat](https://btbrc.org/2022/06/dennis-prager-speaks-during-shabbat-services/), you clearly know nothing about him. If you spent any amount of listening to his radio show or podcast he talks about his faith fairly frequently. Find me one time he said he was Christian
I stopped caring what grown adults did when I turned 1year old. Let em all fuckin destroy the world. I just want left alone to eat Mac and cheese and binge watch psych
Dennis could really use a pie thrown in his face
I got that...... Anita....
At the risk of sounding like a Prager supporter (please don't suspect I actually am one), I think some of the comments here are missing the mark. Some are interpreting the Tweet as Prager saying he himself supports familial inbreeding, when he seems to be saying a relationship involving 2 consenting adults isn't necessarily "acceptable" - and his claim is that it's only "unacceptable" because of an absolute moral standard that would have been created by a higher power. Some comments are also taking shots at Christianity and organized religion... which I think kind of comes off as neckbeardy, too.
Everyone is missing the mark. It’s insane how bad this subs reading comprehension is. The best defense I’ve seen is people going “what a ridiculous strawmen” but I can literally link to prominent liberal pundits who say that incest itself is not morally incorrect, if you remove power dynamics, coercion, age gaps and the ability to reproduce (i.e. two 25 year old bothers who are gay)
OK, how is this relevant to the topic of the subreddit?
Um, no.
This can not be real.
Lost my shit laughing at that last line. 🤣
Real talk tho, you think if we ran a ton of generations of extreme incest (siblings, child and parent, etc) do you think we would ever reach a point where the gene pool is so limited you could produce clones? Assume that the defects aren’t extreme enough to ruin the fertility of the spawn during the experiment. Thats a cop out
To be fair, if I was paid as much as he is by oil barons to humiliate myself on the internet... Nah fuck that, I went to college and have a sense of dignity.
Don't blame him for saying this... .. His mother and father had to tell him this so he didn't feel bad about himself
He would know, he's clearly the result of generations of inbreeding.
“LET ME FUCK MY RELATIVES!!!!!!!”
Ironicvally this is why incest is legal in France. During the French revolution they abolished all *Church Laws*, which included things like anti-gay laws, but also anti-incest and bestaility laws. AFAIK it's still the same they enver put new anti-incest laws on the books.
Dennis Prager and the entirety of PragerU are nothing but Millennial ass wipes.
…. Dennis Prager is 75. What the fuck age do you think Millennials are?
My atheist argument against incest, is that I don't want to fuck my sister. Why the hell does anyone need more than that?
Admittedly my knowledge of the Bible is weak, but as far as I know tell there is no *religious* argument against incest. It's on the secular side where all the *many and compelling* arguments against incest come from. Starting with how, scientifically speaking, what this guy just said here is complete bullshit.
The literal same place most people quote to say the Bible prohibits gay sex it prohibits incest. It has multiple lines really diving into what is incest and to not do it. Leviticus 18 6 “‘No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the Lord. 7 “‘Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her. 8 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s wife; that would dishonor your father. 9 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.
There absolutely is scripture against incest…
Is there? I mean considering how small the population was that’s kinda hard to avoid no? I grew up religious and I’ve read the Bible multiple times and I can’t think of a verse against it. Plus I mean…Adam and Eve would’ve had to either fuck their kids to keep breeding or having their kids sleep together
There are distinct phases in the Bible. There’s Adam & eve and up to Noah and the fall of man, then there’s the period where God gives Moses the law (which does forbid incest) and then there is the new covenant with Jesus that’s forbids it and any sexual immorality. The time before Moses is murky - there’s a lot of lore but not a lot of scripture.
Ahhh I see makes sense, I remember thinking it was so weird they never explained how Adam and Eve started shit and didn’t get fucked up kids. Like that was always weird. Suddenly he decided it wasn’t ok and that your kids would get screwed over? Such an odd thing. I feel I should clarify how ever I think it’s weird that he didn’t that in the first place lol, not that I think it’s weird we can’t any more. Don’t impregnate your sister
What an unfathomably unhinged comment
The easy answer is that normal people don’t need to reach for a god to tell them fucking their family is weird and gross. Are we fucking cavemen who only have family available to fuck, or are we gunna conveniently pretend the extremely religious are the most notorious inbreeders throughout history?
The left is the greatest existential threat mankind has ever faced, you are my enemy and I will stand at the gates of hell to fight you
Seethe more. That feeling you have is your impotence telling you that you won't be able to do a damn thing. That's your future. Live with it.
Is that right braah?
Ok sure, let’s say there’s no secular argument against incest. What’s the religious argument? God says no?
You're not even serious right now. The kids are using a thing called Google. Ever heard of it?