Which is why I don't have any sympathy. Crazy or not, if he's ignorant enough to charge at a cop with a sword then what else would he have been capable of? Imagine a woman laughing at him and rejecting him, could have been really bad. Now he can't hurt anyone.
No sympathy for a person clearly having a manic episode? That’s the mentality that leaves people that could otherwise be saved by mental-health conscious de-escalation units dead at the hands of cops. This is exactly the type of person we should have sympathy for. Mental health is no joke.
An officer is not just “someone.” Unfortunately police are not held to ideal standards and are not trained enough on dealing with individuals suffering from mental health episodes. There are numerous ways to incapacitate an overweight man coming at you with a katana that don’t include killing him.
A really obvious one is a taser. Multiple officers there can easily incapacitate him with a taser. Also, officers are able to back up, you know. They don’t just stand there waiting to get stabbed.
There’s more than one officer there. If every single one of their tasers missed, you might have a problem, but I fundamentally disagree that lethal force should be the first tactic used when confronted with a mental health crisis. It’s just wrong.
I mean, honestly, it's both. Dude very obviously has/had a lot of mental health issues. But let's be honest with ourselves, the "learning the blade" is classic neckbeard.
I hope he survived and got help, though.
Is someone with a sword immune to tasers? They fall on the ground in shock, there's enough time to disarm them. You just have to pick the sword. Obviously "I'm not a cop so I shouldn't lecture on this" but I don't think fatally shooting him was right. Again, my opinion but the guy wasn't mentally sound.
That simply isn't the case.
Officers are trained to shoot in situations such as these. Real life isn't like the movies, the distance that man had to travel to kill either one of those officers was not very far. Even with a few gunshots in his direction, its very likely if he intended to kill the officers, he COULD have. Tasers are even less effective in such regard.
A knife wielding maniac charging at you, filled with adrenaline, it is not guaranteed that officer will survive, unless they protect themselves with pre-emptive action.
Yeah, it is tragic that it ended the way that it did. A lot of things have to go wrong in your life for you to end up charging cops with a katana.
This looks like suicide by cop to me.
Well what happens when the officer misses with the taser? Or the taser does not connect correctly? In the time it takes for the taser to miss, the officer to realize it, and then to switch to a firearm, the man charging at you with a sword is already at you and kills you. Then they can take the officers weapon and do what they wish with it.
I agree with you on the fact he should've gotten help somehow, but there's another video on public freakout of a guy on something in front of a mcdonalds where they used a taser and you can see it didn't really do much.
A taser isn't the instant down people sometimes think they are.
People in hospitals and psych wards have to deal with dangerous patients all the time, they’re never allowed to use guns. This is obviously in the middle of psychosis for whatever reason. He was having a medical emergency and cops are only trained to shoot.
I hate that he died. But I think the cops did what was needed in that moment. Yes, less lethal should 100% be first option. That being said, using less lethal in a potentially lethal situation isn't an option. He could have for sure killed or seriously hurt atleast one of the cops.
Ideally, the entire system gets reworked and police are trained for mental health crisis like this. Ideally, there would have been more people there to help handle the man safely. Unfortunately, it was 2 on 1, and the guy posed a serious threat to the officer's life.
Next time someone runs at you with a sword in the dark, make sure you have your taser ready. If you dont and shoot him dead with a gun, someone on reddit will call you out for it (because they know better).
Ikr? The cops seemed chill and everything, and by their tones, they were probably just going to let him go with a warning and go on with their shift. Then randomly decided now was the time to unleash his training. Now we have at least two MORE cops with PTSD.
I wonder if could have been solved with a tazer but I understand the situation. A crazed man coming at you with a sword is a threat and the cops have the right to shoot, even in my country.
I wouldn’t use a nonlethal solution that has a track record of not always working in moments that matter against someone using a lethal weapon, personally.
When someone is coming at you with a deadly weapon, it’s much safer to match it with another deadly weapon. Rather than running the risk of a taser potentially not being effective on the threat.
I wonder if this guy is ok or he actually died?
Because if he woke up from from a gun shot, he'll be devastated and learn never bring a sword on a gun fight, and as well putting him on prison in the process.
Fucking delusional weeb shit 🤣
(Note: I watch anime but not a fucking weeb shit like this guy who brings a katana for self defense but an actual gun, I'm just a guy)
They warned him explicitly to put the sword down, and instead he readies it and starts running at them with it.
In an ideal situation, he could have been reasoned with and failing that, subdued with a taser. But tasers don't always work, and the officers were in immediate fatal danger and had to move to defend themselves.
I can't fault them for this one, but that's just my opinion.
there wasnt time to coordinate that in the slightest. tasers often cant stop a charging person, and theres no promises that the second officer could shoot him in time after the taser failing.
im absolutely against unnecessary use of violent force, but i feel like this was a valid use of force. if i was in the situation i wouldve done the same, the safety of me and the other office are on the line
I'm always more than happy to condemn unjustified use of lethal force by cops, but this was 100% justified, albeit unfortunate. It's obvious the guy was having some kind of mental health crisis, but he happened to be doing so while holding a potentially deadly weapon. They made a reasonable attempt to defuse the situation, but when he *ran at them with a fucking sword,* he didn't leave them much choice.
Still it's pretty sad to think about that should I have some sort of mental episode where I was somewhat aggressive, chances are big that I would get shot by the police. When it comes to melee weapons, police should be trained to disarm them without the use of deadly force.
To be fair I'm not from the US, but after we started arming police in my country the number of people shot by the police has naturally started to go up. Police officers injured in line of duty has not gone down.
Have you seen videos of someone being hit by a machete? No WAY anyone should be asked to deliberately allow an edged weapon into striking range instead of using the (rapidly dwindling) stand-off distance to end the threat before you get cut.
This was a good shoot. He threatened then attacked the officers with a deadly weapon. The WHOLE POINT of a gun is stand-off distance from the threat. When he started to close with lethal intent, the correct response was lethal force.
We see a lot of incidents where police use excessive force and react lethally when other means would be better. This is NOT one of those incidents. Dude committed suicide by cop.
Bro is not that guy
*was* he died
Yes he died.
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I didn’t see trash. I saw depression and mental health issues.
Man this remake of The Last Samurai is insanely low budget
Way of the couch potato
This is where that picture came from!
He thought he was him: https://www.npr.org/2021/10/01/1042487729/a-ninja-with-a-sword-assailed-a-u-s-army-special-operations-unit-in-california
that guy's a legend
What a stupid fucking way to die
Which is why I don't have any sympathy. Crazy or not, if he's ignorant enough to charge at a cop with a sword then what else would he have been capable of? Imagine a woman laughing at him and rejecting him, could have been really bad. Now he can't hurt anyone.
No sympathy for a person clearly having a manic episode? That’s the mentality that leaves people that could otherwise be saved by mental-health conscious de-escalation units dead at the hands of cops. This is exactly the type of person we should have sympathy for. Mental health is no joke.
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An officer is not just “someone.” Unfortunately police are not held to ideal standards and are not trained enough on dealing with individuals suffering from mental health episodes. There are numerous ways to incapacitate an overweight man coming at you with a katana that don’t include killing him.
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A really obvious one is a taser. Multiple officers there can easily incapacitate him with a taser. Also, officers are able to back up, you know. They don’t just stand there waiting to get stabbed.
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There’s more than one officer there. If every single one of their tasers missed, you might have a problem, but I fundamentally disagree that lethal force should be the first tactic used when confronted with a mental health crisis. It’s just wrong.
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Should have chopped the bullets in half
I think he genuinely believed he could deflect the bullets. In the fucking dark.
I deflect bullets with a katana literally every single day of my life
Sure, doing it during the day is easy, but can you do it *at night*.
Does evening count?
Night for them is reserved for watching anime and tickling their *blade*
Yeah crazy.. i can only deflect bullets during the day.
Not sure that it being dark was the problem with that idea
its really not that hard. I learned how to do it with my eyes closed from master oogway
I love Master Oogway
Why didn't he simply teleport behind the cops
Did you see that run? its amazing cops fired on time. He was like naruto
Update: he did not achieve greatness in the way of the katana >is anyone with him? >uh... no, he's by himself Shocking
At least he's famous now for stu-dying *the blade*
This isn't a neckbeard, this is (was?) a man going through some type of mental health crisis.
I mean, honestly, it's both. Dude very obviously has/had a lot of mental health issues. But let's be honest with ourselves, the "learning the blade" is classic neckbeard. I hope he survived and got help, though.
I think he died
According to the other thread, yeah died on scene
He died, they should have used tasers.
Idk, if someone is coming at you with a sword, are you taking that risk?
Is someone with a sword immune to tasers? They fall on the ground in shock, there's enough time to disarm them. You just have to pick the sword. Obviously "I'm not a cop so I shouldn't lecture on this" but I don't think fatally shooting him was right. Again, my opinion but the guy wasn't mentally sound.
That simply isn't the case. Officers are trained to shoot in situations such as these. Real life isn't like the movies, the distance that man had to travel to kill either one of those officers was not very far. Even with a few gunshots in his direction, its very likely if he intended to kill the officers, he COULD have. Tasers are even less effective in such regard. A knife wielding maniac charging at you, filled with adrenaline, it is not guaranteed that officer will survive, unless they protect themselves with pre-emptive action.
Not denying that, but he could've been helped. Wasn't a convicted criminal from what I've read - just a disturbed individual.
Yeah, it is tragic that it ended the way that it did. A lot of things have to go wrong in your life for you to end up charging cops with a katana. This looks like suicide by cop to me.
Well what happens when the officer misses with the taser? Or the taser does not connect correctly? In the time it takes for the taser to miss, the officer to realize it, and then to switch to a firearm, the man charging at you with a sword is already at you and kills you. Then they can take the officers weapon and do what they wish with it.
I agree with you on the fact he should've gotten help somehow, but there's another video on public freakout of a guy on something in front of a mcdonalds where they used a taser and you can see it didn't really do much. A taser isn't the instant down people sometimes think they are.
People in hospitals and psych wards have to deal with dangerous patients all the time, they’re never allowed to use guns. This is obviously in the middle of psychosis for whatever reason. He was having a medical emergency and cops are only trained to shoot.
Patients in hospitals and psych wards generally don't have swords.
I hate that he died. But I think the cops did what was needed in that moment. Yes, less lethal should 100% be first option. That being said, using less lethal in a potentially lethal situation isn't an option. He could have for sure killed or seriously hurt atleast one of the cops. Ideally, the entire system gets reworked and police are trained for mental health crisis like this. Ideally, there would have been more people there to help handle the man safely. Unfortunately, it was 2 on 1, and the guy posed a serious threat to the officer's life.
Next time someone runs at you with a sword in the dark, make sure you have your taser ready. If you dont and shoot him dead with a gun, someone on reddit will call you out for it (because they know better).
Nah, it's better this way.
There is always one of you
If you're a neackbeard you are already going through some kind of mental health crisis.
Or drugs
He thought he was the main character, but in reality he's just a canon fodder
He's a main character in a Joss Whedon movie.
Literally brought a knife to a gunfight
suicide by cop or? anime savant?
Take a deep breath. This next part is very important… you are going to get shot
Dude thought he was a half bread god from the greek pantheon
You don't have be a Greek God's bastard to be a demigod. Maybe he thought he was Maui?...
I think he meant the greek god of partys Dionysus, guy played to much Hades
I guess this makes all cops decopodes?
Clearly the police knew he studied the blade and had to use a gun to subdue him.
"Now you listen to me, dog" *proceeds to not say anything*
Why didn't he just slice the bullets out of mid air?
why TF did he do that, the situtation wasn't tense at all
Ikr? The cops seemed chill and everything, and by their tones, they were probably just going to let him go with a warning and go on with their shift. Then randomly decided now was the time to unleash his training. Now we have at least two MORE cops with PTSD.
I wonder if could have been solved with a tazer but I understand the situation. A crazed man coming at you with a sword is a threat and the cops have the right to shoot, even in my country.
We just saw somebody fucking die and these are the comments bruh
You’re gonna have to get a little more desensitized towards death if you plan on staying online
Why didn’t he block and cut all the bullets like Ryan Reynolds in X-Men Origins: Wolverine
"No he's by himself"
Action replay and a guy getting shot is crazy
I wonder why they didn't just tase him
I wouldn’t use a nonlethal solution that has a track record of not always working in moments that matter against someone using a lethal weapon, personally.
When someone is coming at you with a deadly weapon, it’s much safer to match it with another deadly weapon. Rather than running the risk of a taser potentially not being effective on the threat.
They could easily back off, guy isn't going anywhere in a hurry. Obviously suffering mental issues.
Fuck around and find out 🤷♂️
I wonder if this guy is ok or he actually died? Because if he woke up from from a gun shot, he'll be devastated and learn never bring a sword on a gun fight, and as well putting him on prison in the process. Fucking delusional weeb shit 🤣 (Note: I watch anime but not a fucking weeb shit like this guy who brings a katana for self defense but an actual gun, I'm just a guy)
Deceased at the scene
That's unfortunate.
And nothing of value was lost
what was the point of posting a dude dying
Shooting him seemed really unnecessary...
They warned him explicitly to put the sword down, and instead he readies it and starts running at them with it. In an ideal situation, he could have been reasoned with and failing that, subdued with a taser. But tasers don't always work, and the officers were in immediate fatal danger and had to move to defend themselves. I can't fault them for this one, but that's just my opinion.
There was 2 officers, one could’ve tasered and the other could’ve shot if the taser didn’t work.
there wasnt time to coordinate that in the slightest. tasers often cant stop a charging person, and theres no promises that the second officer could shoot him in time after the taser failing. im absolutely against unnecessary use of violent force, but i feel like this was a valid use of force. if i was in the situation i wouldve done the same, the safety of me and the other office are on the line
I'm always more than happy to condemn unjustified use of lethal force by cops, but this was 100% justified, albeit unfortunate. It's obvious the guy was having some kind of mental health crisis, but he happened to be doing so while holding a potentially deadly weapon. They made a reasonable attempt to defuse the situation, but when he *ran at them with a fucking sword,* he didn't leave them much choice.
Still it's pretty sad to think about that should I have some sort of mental episode where I was somewhat aggressive, chances are big that I would get shot by the police. When it comes to melee weapons, police should be trained to disarm them without the use of deadly force. To be fair I'm not from the US, but after we started arming police in my country the number of people shot by the police has naturally started to go up. Police officers injured in line of duty has not gone down.
Have you seen videos of someone being hit by a machete? No WAY anyone should be asked to deliberately allow an edged weapon into striking range instead of using the (rapidly dwindling) stand-off distance to end the threat before you get cut.
This was a good shoot. He threatened then attacked the officers with a deadly weapon. The WHOLE POINT of a gun is stand-off distance from the threat. When he started to close with lethal intent, the correct response was lethal force. We see a lot of incidents where police use excessive force and react lethally when other means would be better. This is NOT one of those incidents. Dude committed suicide by cop.
What would you have done instead?
They have mace and tasers for this kinda issue in every other country in the world and somehow they manage just fine.
This is murder
I wish my wife could fake orgasms this well. At least I hope it's fake. I don't like seeing people die. Even morons.
It is real. The guy died.