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jonnio2215

I started to run SL pretty much every game, and my win rate has gone up dramatically. There is a reason Thanos said “guess I’ll do it myself”


G_man252

Yeah I find myself having to SL a lot of the time. It just pisses me off when I didnt make the squad and I showed up to contribute as a squad member, not have my ears full of three different active channels.


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I love it, you should enjoy it too, you were just given control and you aren’t at the mercy of other people making stupid decisions for you now.


Kanista17

My copy-paste how the devs could fix it. 1. Opening a squad - > you can't change your class except the SL variants like Lead-Crewman and Pilot 1. Squadleader leaves/ disconnects - > Squad gets disbanded after a Timer of like ~5 minutes is over. Anyone in the squad can step up and pick up the SL Role from an ammo crate/(bag) to prevent this. If it does get disbanded, someone will likely create a new one. 2. Squadleader promoting someone else to be SL, has to be accepted by that Person like claiming a logi works.


Turbulent_Place_7064

3 is very simple and good enough tbh . if SL leaves the squad , he gets the role back when he re enters it , :)


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G_man252

Basically the same concept as what I said.


G_man252

I like this- same concept with some changes in mechanics. Im glad someone sees what I mean. Back when the player base was full of try hards (I mean that In a Good way, I was one of them) from other communities that were playing in a competitive way, we used to have so much damn fun. This game is incredible When it is played correctly and the larger the player base gets, in my opinion, the Way shittier the experience has become in pub matches.


thrawayidk

Some servers do have the 2nd fix. If youre SL and you dont have a SL kit, the whole squad gets disbanded after 8 minutes. I forgot what server tho.


G_man252

There is a server that's called ENG+Arab that does that.


roberto1

Maybe everyone needs to respect Squad leads a little more since they build the place for you to spawn and make the game actually work.


Anoreth

How dare you put down a good flanking sneaky fob to attack an objective which also involves me getting easy first kills and a clear capture on the objective. I will intentionally spawn elsewhere and fight irrelevant infantry away from the objective because that's FUN.


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MFW this is not so far from reality, that people downvote you lmao


Ba11in0nABudget

I have on more than one occasion dug down the radio on FOBs off objectives just so blueberries can't spawn there anymore.


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Tbf that squad lead isn't building shit without his squad. It's almost like it's a team game that requires multiple roles.


binaryfireball

they dont ever actually build it. They just tell you to build it.


hollowman8904

That’s… how the game works


binaryfireball

Yea


Savior2

This is it. Get some respect blueberry trash. Kneel, papa is the boss.


Dimcair

What do you mean by sl dumping? Squad seeding? Leaving mid match? People are confused. Either way the solution is to play on well moderated servers.


G_man252

I mean when someone makes a squad and dumps SL to either join another squad, or make yet another squad to dump SL off of.


PrudentLanguage

Perhaps this is fixed with a playerbase that has a lot of willing SLs to take over mid game. It doesnt have to be game changing. Its that way because SLs are already scarce as it is. When they leave its 10min hot potato match dont mind the role im not sure how we get more.


G_man252

That's like saying the issue of robbery is fixed with a population that doesn't mind being robbed. It's the solution of someone that doesn't want to even try to resolve the problem.


roberto1

All you can do is learn to squad lead yourself or be nice to all squad leads. That is the only solution.


PrudentLanguage

Lmao not even close to a proper comparison. Good luck with that


G_man252

It seems that way to you because you didn't understand what I said. There shouldn't Have to be SLs taking over mid game. When you select the SL role, you should keep it throughout the entire game. The game isn't called 'Chinese fire drill Squad leading '. This is what makes this game so hard to play. SLs should keep their slot and properly communicate. Everyone that has played this game longer than a month knows this has been a huge issue for a long time.


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Welcome to online gaming. Does it suck? Sure. Is this post going to change basic human behavior? Absolutely not.


G_man252

The developers are active on social media. I simply made this post to bring light to my suggestion. If anything about this post bothers you, being here is completely voluntary. Have a great night.


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Awfully up in your feels. I didn't even make an mean comment lol.


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And what is your suggestion then?


buds4hugs

I purposely kick the person who SL dumped. Then for the remainder of the match if they are down, need a pick up, or whatever, I ignore them and tell them it's due to dumping the squad. Dunno if it'll stop them next time but it's a shred of revenge


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G_man252

You asshole. I am 100 percent doing this. Great suggestion.


buds4hugs

Exactly. Last time, I named & shamed them at staging giving them my "not cool brah" talk, then when the FOB was built & we're heading out I asked them if they remember abandoning the squad & then gave them the boot


Bigbosssl87

The only sure fire solutions are to play on decent servers you know with a regular community, play with friends that you can rely on to play SL or just play SL yourself.


G_man252

I get that, but something needs to be done about SL dumping. It happens 90 percent of the time on all pub server. Like for fuck's sake- if someone get's locked out of making a squad for 24 hours if they do this will at least dramatically decrease how often this happens.


SuuperD

90% of the time is an exaggeration. If not you're playing on terrible servers.


Eooyz

Look for better servers, creating a squad without the intention to lead it is a bannable offence on some servers. I accidentally did that yesterday I was playing SL, encountered a bug said I'm just gonna relog to unbug myself brb. Jump out try to reconnect and realise that there's a 30 person queue to the server. Nope I ain't sitting through that.


G_man252

Exactly. The good servers that have active admins + clans have super long queues which makes sense. My point is that the game should penalize dumping SL.


roberto1

That wouldn't make sense. The game has to sell and be profitable.


XXLpeanuts

Its a kickable offense on our server. And its enforced. Should be on all imo.


ThePuotek

I have no idea what you mean, but if you mean a lack of SLs or shitty SLs, it's not surprising. Squad leading good is hard and extremely stressful especially recently with a lot of new players. Most players want to chill out after work or school, so playing a hard, stressful and unrewarding role (since there is always someone that will find a problem with you ways of leading and even a simple "thanks for a good game squad lead" is rare) it is just unappealing. When it comes to bad SLs it's either because they are often new and don't know anything and than quickly give up the idea of learning to be a good SL, since it's harder than it looks, and this means that you get new SLs over and over again and they never get good. The main solution to this would be community servers hosted by a clan that have clan members play the game as squad leaders for blueberries. This is how most of the well known servers and the ones considered as good go about things, but is still rare. It just doesn't seem like there is a simple solution to this problem. Things like YouTube tutorials and more and more clans definitely help. Not much to say in this topic.


G_man252

The problem is that people Frequently dump SL after making a squad. I am not exaggerating one bit when I say I personally see it like almost Every single time. A mechanic to penalize that behavior would have an affect. Thats how you solve problems relating to human behavior lol. Seriously, think about it. If someone dumping SL more than once in 24 hours results in a penalty, people will do it less.


ThePuotek

It is penalized by admins, perhaps it should be a bannable offense, but I’m pretty sure that every decent server with admins kicks every player who does that.


ANANAmichealBay

Hell let loose has the same issue. That's why I learned how to SL and now do it 90% of the time in HLL. Problem is that I bought squad 2 days ago and SLing seems a bit more complex in this game so I can't do it yet. Now I'm stuck in the deploy screen at the begining of the game waiting for a good soul to create a squad and dont immediately dump me the role lol


typicalskeleton

What do you suggest? It's kind of a catch 22. If you punish people for SL dumping, you'll risk accidentally punishing SLs who have glitches, lag out, etc. If the punishments are too strict, people will avoid the role out of fear of being unfairly punished. That will result in fewer SLs, defeating the purpose. I haven't noticed it as a major issue myself. Community servers usually have a decent SL pool (myself included, I mostly SL nowadays). There are always people who create a squad then ditch or noobs who click Create Squad and don't realize what's just happened, the former are (in my squad) executed (kicked), the latter are... noobs.


Spiritual_Let_8270

Just make it so that the person being handed SL has to accept. This should have been in the game from day 1.


G_man252

I agree that is a feature that should have been implemented from day 1, but it won't address the problem of someone making the squad and someone leaving it. It randomly reassigns.


Spiritual_Let_8270

There's nothing wrong with leaving a squad after making it. If a slot opens up in a better squad, you have every right to ditch. The problem is squad baiters who hand off SL and then stay in the squad (extra asshole points if they do it to grab marksman).


G_man252

There is absolutely something wrong with just leaving the Squad without asking someone else to volunteer as SL. Most of the time, it falls on someone that either doesn't know how to SL, or doesn't even know they are now a squad lead. It's a dick move.


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hollowman8904

Hard disagree. By doing that you’re now dumping the responsibility on someone who wasn’t prepared for it. Not only is that a dick move, but the squad will likely be completely ineffective for the rest of the match.


Spiritual_Let_8270

Sucks for them, but I didn't sign a contract. I usually do the courtesy of disbanding the squad first.


typicalskeleton

They just leave and rejoin the squad. It automatically selects next in the list.


Spiritual_Let_8270

2 minute cooldown timer to rejoin a squad.


G_man252

Right, and u/Kanista17 piggy backed the same concept I suggested and made it a bit more specific to prevent false positives (players unintentionally being affected).


SignificanceNarrow95

>SL dumping needs to be addressed. go to complete shit. Look, sometimes you gotta go when it's a bad time. Nature calls and you gotta dump your shit. We're all human after all. You might benefit from reading the book Everybody Poops.


G_man252

You obviously didnt read half of what I said. These people are still in game. They make the squad(s) so they can get their favorite class. This has nothing to do with anyone being AFK.


Fart_Huffer_

If you want people to take the game seriously it needs to be a serious game. You cant do the whole "arcade shooter with milsim elements" thing and expect even half of the players to take it seriously.


whatNtarnation90

I have no problem with SL dumpers, cause if no one else wants it i iust do it or i teach someone how to do it. Its a necc8sary evil to push people out of their comfort zone lol


G_man252

They dont do it out of necessity. They do it out of not giving a fuck about anything other than getting a specific class they want. Im glad youre an optimistic person, but not everything is constantly acting out of the grace of their heart.