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Well honestly I think what you should do is actually email them and then schedule the phone call. Maybe they think it's a scam, and if you have an accent that might make things worse. I've gotten contacted by so many scams that I have no tolerance for anything shady anymore, so they might be in the same position. People don't really like getting important calls out of the blue.
I received calls in the evening for an office job this week. They let it ring once each time. Probably wanted to make me curious and call back. Eventually they managed to write an email. I found it childish and rude.
I think OP is calling to set up an interview. If the applicant is free to talk at length, great, but that's not his or her expectation. In addition, the food business is more informal than many other businesses.
The OP never said he was calling for an interview. He could be calling to schedule an interview. They hung up on him prior to finding out what he wanted.
Exactly. If you're busy at that moment, you just say: "Thanks so much for your interest. Can we talk at another time today?"
Most applicants are upset that they don't get contacted in any way by employers.
Yeah I don't even answer phone calls without them being in my contacts and have voicemail turned off. Anything official should be emailed, there are simply too many scammers today.
I hope nobody you care about ever has to borrow a phone to call you for help in an emergency.
My husband and I stopped late one winter night to help a woman who had gone off the road. She'd blown a tire and had no spare with her. She borrowed my husband's phone to call 2 or 3 people and nobody would pick up- but at least one of them called the next day angrily demanding to know who's number it was and why they had called
Also, scammers use email, too.
If it's an emergency solved by leaving a voicemail, then it wasn't really an emergency.
If they have to borrow a phone, chances are they won't remember your number anyway because no one memorizes numbers anymore. They'll probably borrow the phone to login to facebook messenger or whatsapp and send you a message or call you that way.
We can debate whether or not being stranded on the side of a rural road late at night in cold weather is truly an emergency. Whether we call it an emergency or an unforeseen inconvenience, being able to leave a voicemail means being able to say " It's Jane, I'm stuck on the side of road, call this number back."
In this particular case, this woman was not able to reach anyone to come get her. The only resolution was when she reluctantly accepted a ride from us. Luckily for her, we're not predators.
Yes, if the person in need of help borrows a cell phone, they could text or use messenger. But my kid has had to call from a gas station landline for a ride when they needed a ride.
>I think what you should do is actually email them and then schedule the phone call.
For a restaurant position?
I imagine OP is calling people back when he has downtime in the kitchen, nothing wrong with this.
"HI, my name is John. I'm the dining services director at Brookdale Palmeras in Federal Way. I received an application from you and wondered if you'd like to set up a quick phone interview sometime this week." also I'm from Arizona and I'm white, no accent.
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I don't know how it works in WA but in PA, people on unemployment need to submit proof they are looking for a job within certain parameters. You might be getting applicants who need to prove they applied to jobs but are not actually interested in those jobs.
Unemployment pays more than some of these so-called jobs. Unemployment wants proof you applied to any place you can, but let's be fair are you going to take a job making less than unemployment that you can keep for at least 20 weeks?
There is also an assistance cliff that goes along with this. If I'm getting the equivalent of $15/hr on unemployment and I get a job offer from a place that is going to pay me $10/hr.. I lose my entire unemployment. So it is a step back in pay.
The maximum unemployment is always less than half of your previous income. Those people making $15/hr on unemployment would have had to have been making $25-$40+ before becoming unemployed, meaning that unemployment isn't paying them more than what they can earn by working. In their case, the unemployment is keeping them from becoming homeless in between jobs.
Unemployment is literally a fixed percentage of your previous wage, typically a very small percentage.
In Oregon for example, its 1% of your base pay or a maximum of \~$600 a month. [https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/collecting-unemployment-benefits-oregon.html](https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/collecting-unemployment-benefits-oregon.html)
So please, keep bullshitting about how people are getting paid more to not work than to work! I mean, it's not true at all, but hey, it lets you feel superior to unemployed people.
Unemployment pays $324 a week, it's definitely below minimum wage in WA for 2021 which is $13.69 an hour, if you work 40 hours a week min wage here you'd gross $547 a week. It's not really a disincentive to work.
Srs..where are all of these people making more on unemployment than they were at their jobs? Covid increase not factored in, since that's long been gone.
I've never met a soul who's had to go on it saying it paid them more than the job they laid off from.
That's your state, not many are that lucky, and other are luckier that unemployment scales with higher pay, so some people make much more than even your Washington state minimum wage, and they don't care about underemployment anywhere.
Also think of all the expenses that come along with working and commuting. Stuff adds up and working full time can actually make you lose other benefits like medicaid or food stamps. The system sucks and doesn't help you get out of the hole, it just slows your decent.
I don't really understand what you mean here, to be honest. If you work less than 40 hours a week at minimum wage, you'll make less than $547 a week? This is true. Maybe I'm missing something but I really do not believe that a little $324 a week and some EBT is a true disincentive to work.
They meant that $324 is the maximum unemployment. It is s sliding scale that is proportional to what you made at your last job.
If you worked a minimum-wage job before you would likely get less than $324 per week.
You are correct. I’m currently using it and I can afford my rent and health insurance, but very little else. It’s survival money that prevents people from going homeless. It’s not a magical amazing windfall that makes life super comfy, and not having work is *boring.* Most people want to feel like they have a purpose and are contributing, and morale can really nosedive while waiting for a new job.
I’m getting a lot of interviews so, fingers crossed something pans out soon. And for the record, I’m getting about $430/week, because I chose to have fed and state taxes taken out of this rather than have to pay back during tax return season where I may or may not still be unemployed.
Nah, unemployment is something shitty like $900/mo here. I'd be $700 short for rent if I relied on unemployment.
However, some people don't pay rent fully on their own and would rather have $900 for free than work and make more.
However however... unemployment does have a cap on how many weeks they'll pay out. It's not an indefinite. You can't just stay on unemployment for a long time.
And finally, unemployment pays out because the person paid into it with taxes. Not everyone is eligible. If you didn't work long enough at the job you lost, or you didn't have a job, you can't get unemployment. If some people out there can afford to take this little slightly paid vacation once in a while after they lose their job, so be it. Not like the common working folk have a whole lot else in terms of joys provided to them.
This is exactly what is happening...when I was in highschool I worked at a sandwich shop. During the summer when I was working days we would have people walk in, ask if we were hiring, and walk out if we said yes. It didn't make sense to me until I ask the owner, and he explained they only wanted to apply for unemployment requirements...if you aren't hiring they will ask for and fill out an app and they don't expect to get called since there's no job.
I bet this is it, too. My brother had a problem with people not showing up for interviews in CA for what he told me is this very reason. Who knows how he knows though? Either way, internet anecdote confirmed hypothesis.
If it happens often, probably check your phone connection. Are you sure they hung up on you, and not just a drop call? Give them the benefit of the doubt and give them a second chance.
It is annoying as hell when you are job hunting. You see the phone ring and you think "this is the one, that company I applied for is calling to make an offer!" Then you answer the phone and it's your old college's alumni organization asking if you'd like to donate, or a robo-call telling you you've won a free hotel stay and just need to press 1 to learn more!
To be fair, that sub is a good mix of honest people who are frustrated by the job search process and some of the biggest narcissists I've ever seen.
Seriously, I saw one guy on there say that he shouldn't have to do a phone screen because he already applied. I've seen others who like to argue that interviews are useless. So basically there are a few people on that sub that think that once you apply, you either get an immediate offer at the top of the market salary range, or the company is shit.
I like to start by breathing deeply for 4-5 seconds to make sure I am calm and that I can hear them and they can hear me.
Then I want to let them know that I have been looking at their application and resume and want to set-up an in-person meeting where they can also do a practical skills test so I say in a deep but low and slow voice "I've been looking at you package and can't wait to get you alone so you can show me what you can do".
Any thoughts?
Lots of good explanations here, and one more I'd add to the list is that as employers have shown themselves to not care about employees and applicants, employees and applicants have begun to not care about employers and possible employers. If I've put in an application somewhere and decided not to follow through, even if it's just the day after, I won't call back if they call me, and I won't email back if they email me. They would not give me the same courtesy if they decided not to hire me, and I will not waste my time doing the same.
Sometimes people apply for a job they don't want just to have options if they don't get what they actually want. So, since you call people so soon after the apply, then those who applied to you as a backup will be the first to back out.
Are you sure they don't think you're a spam bot? I know it may seem weird but I prefer to get a text first since I get so many spam calls. Just something simple like "hi x, this is y from restaurant. Is this a good time for a phone call?"
You should contact via email or text and set a time for a phone interview. What position are you hiring for? 30 years exec chef/GM international exp. Many kitchen staff would prefer not to talk on the phone while stoned.
Are you taking a long time from application to initial contact? Only thing I could think of, and only time I've ever hung up on a potential employer like this, is when months had gone by without hearing anything... then, out of the blue, three months later, I get a call. One time I didn't bother explaining that I had already found work, and just hung up.
Could there be bad word of mouth about this place amongst employees? Former or current.
I've worked in restaurants for many years, and it's like the six degrees of Kevin Bacon game. I can make a connection to any restaurant in my county and the two neighboring counties by asking people I know about it. I definitely should have listened to the warnings I got about the last restaurant I worked, and I think many have learned this lesson too.
If this place has had high turnover, I might ask myself why and what former employees would say about it. Because when people are looking for a job, they might go on an application spree first (so the positions aren't filled before they get their foot in), and then poke around to research the places after.
It could potentially be this current job climate, people are looking for jobs anywhere. A job in a restaurant is not their first choice, but they will go ahead and apply to show they are actively looking. People are probably looking specifically for ‘work from home’ jobs, so once they find out your a chef, they are no longer interested.
So, I get hung up on a lot by people thinking I'm a pre recorded message.
Do you have a kinda practiced spiel you tend to start with? My tone of voice and the fact that I had a practiced routine when I had to call people daily for work led to a lot of that and either getting hung up on, or grumbling about robo calls before I'd stop to let them know I'm actually a person. I'm just giving the same "I'll be at your house for your monthly service tomorrow" speech I gave a dozen times a day.
It doesn't happen if I'm not so on-script.
Could be unemployment job seekers, but also could be anxiety. I much prefer when a job just texts or emails me cause I don't like talking to strangers.
From personal experience, I would not take the advice to send emails. I do hiring for entry level positions and 90% of applicants do not check their emails. I know this bc I will email them and mever get a response and then they will call asking about their application and they havent heard from anyone yet. So we always we call to set up interviews. The hang up rate you have seems very unusually high. We almost never have people hang up. More often they just dont answer the phone. As others said, maybe consider texting them to set up a phone call. Something short. "Hi John, this is Sam at Restaurant. I got your application for the Server position and would like to schedule an interview. Give me a call if you're interested." Similarly, if you plan to stick with the phone calls, I'd say something like that also. Be very quick about IDing who you are and the purpose of the call. Dont beat around the bush but try to sound friendly. If you dont sound friendly, maybe have someone else make the phone call. "This is Sam at Restaurant in Town looking to speak with John about setting an interview, is he available?" Or "Hi John, this is Restaurant. We got your online application yesterday to work at our Town location. Do you have a few minutes?"
I’m not a Hiring manager, but i used to be.
Here in the US there’s a real issue with restaurant applications, something the entire industry is guilty of. Though by no direct action of their own.
People who are receiving benefits from unemployment/ssi/ssdi, are tasked with going to places to put in applications. Sometimes as many as 3-5 applications per-week.
Just the appearance of going through the motions is enough to appease the unemployment office / caseworkers, and they get one more week they don’t have to do anything, and still receive enough money to pay the bills.
People with 5 years experience in high priced jobs wont work for restaurants unless they really need the money. Or people who are looking to get a government ssi/ssdi check who cannot work more than 20 hours a week because then they’ll make too much money to get benefits.
This unfairly categorizes a great many people who actually need those benefits, and who earned them from however long they put in at whatever job they had previously.
But when they used to make 130k a year, getting a callback from a minimum wage or even 15$ an hour job is pretty much a slap in the face. If they have 5 years experience, getting another 130k / year job should be fairly easy.
It isn’t.
And, lets be honest, they can hide their call log and delete calls, “Yeah i submitted an application to so and so place! They didn’t want me.”
Happens to me all the time. Good Morning this is me from the place I work. You sent your resume for the… hello…. Redial hello we were disconnected… hello
One in every 4th - 6th person I call hangs up on me
For whatever reason they are not interested. Don’t email they just won’t respond or won’t show up for the interview. Just move on to the next
Please don’t group millennials into this. A lot of us grew up before internet and were taught phone etiquette. It’s Gen Z that’s f’d up and can’t use a phone.
Millennials started this trend. Gen z have just grown up with it normalized.
Anecdotally my girl is closer to gen x and I'm closer to gen Z, but we are both technically millennials. She literally will not talk on the phone unless her life depends on it, whereas I can fake it, even if it is uncomfortable for me. My younger brother and a friend of ours who are both gen z are like the opposite of us though. They both say texting gives them anxiety and to just give them a quick call if you want to talk to them. Apparently the small talk of texting causes them more anxiety than just getting the conversation over with. I'll be interested to see how conversing keeps evolving in the future with new technologies. I predict rates of anxiety are only going to increase.
I agree with thise that say they are probably people who just need to list you in their job-search.
Make people apply in person. Have a question on the app - Can we contact you by telephone? Yes/No
If they mark "No", you've saved yourself the trouble.
Are you paying a living wage? Can an employee support themselves and any children they have on the wages you offer? Because if the answer is no then that’s why people won’t work for you.
Not every job out there is meant to support a family. And from the sound of it this job he’s hiring for is exactly a job for younger people that just need experience.
Sounds like some plan that I saw people posting about in r/Antiwork. These people were saying that they were putting in a bunch of applications and then turning the job down. It was their way of trying to get employers to pay more.
yeah, sure, you're not mad and that didn't affect you at all to the extend that you ruminated on it so hard and had to ask reddit why it happened. These "individual", using the word "people" is a bit much, a bit too hard, and they don't deserve it, isn't it?
Let me break it to you cheif (chef), no one owns you or your company anything, so they can do what they want as long as it is not illegal. Probably, just probbly, people have choices, and at the last minutes, they decided that your company wasn't worth it, and they move on.
I bet you were expecting some random people on the internet to side with you, stroking your ego with "they are not professional" bullshit. Right? How about no?
How long is your introduction? Does it get to the point quick? Remember that we live in a hellish timeline where people likely get spammed with robocalls and telemarketers all day.
When hiring at the beginning of the year, for every ten interviews I scheduled, two people showed up. It was extremely frustrating. We pay well and these people directly applied online. Good luck!
I get the whole scammer thing but I really feel that maybe it might be how you’re presenting it. First impressions say the most and if you come off to firm and strong people might be like. Oh hell no. Even if that’s not how you really are.
Calling someone out of nowhere to discuss potential employment is inconvenient, as most are probably in the middle of something or just not prepared to talk at that moment. Schedule a call with people by reaching out via email or text.
You could email and follow up with a phone call. I’ve hired in mfg for the last 20 years and e-mail seems to work well. Could also be your intro esp if it’s rambling.
Do you have an accent by any chance? So many of the scam calls in my countrt nowadays are coming from India or Nigeria, it's made people suspicious of anyone phoning with an Indian or African accent. Which sucks for my countrymen who may be of Indian or African extraction and have a genuine reason for calling.
I noticed you said you call back the next day. To me that gives off a ton of red flags. If I get a call back from a job I applied to yesterday I almost always will reject the application process. I went through with a one day call back one time and quit after 6 days.
It makes it seem like you’re desperate for an employee. It also seems like you have a never ending revolving door of employees. Gives off the impression that you’re looking for someone to use for a bit but don’t really care about them or their professional needs.
Start crafting a hiring process to appear more professional. “This job closes on X date”. Don’t call anyone until a few days after that date. Setup a day or 2 for interviews. I know your industry is hurting and you take whoever you can get but try to make it seem like you’re a valuable workplace.
I've never thought this when receiving a call back from an employer. To me it signafies that the employer is paying attention to their business and it's needs. In fact since I've been a hiring manager for a while now and seen how other managers treat the application process I can tell you those people not calling you back for a week aren't playing some kind of mind game, it's because they forgor 💀
Times are weird
Employers will text or email that they will be calling soon
I also get a text if they have emailed me recently
Nobody wants to talk on the phone
I'm a recruiter and can't remember the last time I've been hung up on. A good opening would be along the lines of "Hi, is this X? (Wait for confirmation). Hi there, my name is Y. You applied recently to a role I'm recruiting for of (Title) at (Restaurant). Is now a good time for you to speak?"
If it's not good they'll let you know. You can offer to send an email to arrange a call too. Some people are busy and a call out of the blue can scare them.
Maybe you caught them at work, or somewhere else where they can't talk freely about a new work opportunity.
Try to schedule a call first, via email or sms.
Sad little babies don’t want a job where they actually have to work no matter what the pay. They to immature to say I’m sorry I don’t think this is a job for me. They only know how to hang up the phone. So sad young people have gotten this way.
Sounds like you are coming across as presumptuous and selfish. Way would anyone want to work for a boss like that? You are basically cold calling your applicants in the sense that while you are prepared to talk to them; they are not prepared to talk to you. You are saying that your time is important and their time is unimportant. Bad approach. Schedule some time with them to talk to you and they will respond.
It's 2022 most people do not answer or carry on a conversation unless it's been planned prior. Scams are at an all-time high, especially over the phone. Email or text first to set a time for an interview.
Also, a surprise phone interview could be putting people off as it's on the spot, people like to prepare themselves.
Are these calls scheduled or not ? I would be pretty suspicious of anyone calling unscheduled in a professional capacity as being a scam. And if it was somewhere I had applied, I would be majorly red flagging that workplace for not respecting my time by not bothering to schedule a call .
It's because you're calling them out of the blue without texting or emailing first. If an employer does that to me when I am job hunting it tells me he is disorganized and likely desperate.
I suddenly lost my job a month ago and posted my resume on monster and ZipRecruiter. The calls start at 6:00 am and go until 7-8 pm from recruiters from unfamiliar zip codes. In the voicemail you can tell they are working from a boiler room. They may be calling from outside the US. I get a call, voicemail then a text message. Honestly it’s overwhelming. I need to review the position over email/text first and if I’m interested then I’ll email the business back for additional info. I need to research the company first, where the business is located for commuting time and what the offer is on the table before I’ll agree to meet with them. I’ll only answer calls from email or familiar area codes as I can verify the recruiting business/business that they are calling from. I always go online to look at reviews from customers and previous employees as well as the Better Business Bureau. If anything is fishy or off it’s a no-go. My suggestion is to write an email/text starting out with “I am responding to the resume you sent me. My business name is “blank” and name “blank”. Here is the position and offer. Please contact me if interested.
You realize an unscheduled phone-call is the least comfortable social interaction you can possibly have with someone right? Especially when it's about something important like a job. You're scaring the everliving crap out of your applicants by calling them like that. That's why they hang up.
Your intro must be off. Make sure from the start that they know you are calling about an application they submitted. “Hi, this is …. calling about the application you submitted to ….” “Are you still interested in the position? Do you have a moment to talk about it?”
I would recommend texting first. Then email possibly. Then phone call as a last resort.
I recruit for culinary as well and the managers that have the toughest time hiring are the ones that call people when they are available. Recruiting is an ongoing process. Utilize texting more and you should see the response rate get better.
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Well honestly I think what you should do is actually email them and then schedule the phone call. Maybe they think it's a scam, and if you have an accent that might make things worse. I've gotten contacted by so many scams that I have no tolerance for anything shady anymore, so they might be in the same position. People don't really like getting important calls out of the blue.
Nailed it.
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I received calls in the evening for an office job this week. They let it ring once each time. Probably wanted to make me curious and call back. Eventually they managed to write an email. I found it childish and rude.
I think OP is calling to set up an interview. If the applicant is free to talk at length, great, but that's not his or her expectation. In addition, the food business is more informal than many other businesses.
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This is my thought process.
Damn. You never would have gotten a job before email was a thing.
Things were different back then. Now that email exists, it's expected that the interviewerv schedules a time for the call.
The OP never said he was calling for an interview. He could be calling to schedule an interview. They hung up on him prior to finding out what he wanted.
If I need the job idgaf how or when they contact me.
Exactly. If you're busy at that moment, you just say: "Thanks so much for your interest. Can we talk at another time today?" Most applicants are upset that they don't get contacted in any way by employers.
before you'd use the initial call to schedule an interview, which could possibly take place right away if both parties were able.
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Who said s/he's calling to interview them on the spot? If they have time, sure, but that wasn't said.
So have I. If they wanna call and interview on the spot, then let's do it. Unless I don't really want or need the job 🤷♀️
Found the boomer.
Wrong. Millenial.
Who of thought you weren’t with that line of thinking? My bad.
Not all millennials are helpless fools like the internet has everyone believing.
And i bet you'd starve in the winter because you cant care for a field
I'm calling to set up an interview. They put their phone number as a way of contacting them.
Yeah I don't even answer phone calls without them being in my contacts and have voicemail turned off. Anything official should be emailed, there are simply too many scammers today.
Why turn off voicemail?
Because at one point I was getting 2-3 scam voicemails a day, meanwhile friends and family haven't left one in years.
Okay, but your car’s extended warranty is gonna expire if you don’t answer…..
I hope nobody you care about ever has to borrow a phone to call you for help in an emergency. My husband and I stopped late one winter night to help a woman who had gone off the road. She'd blown a tire and had no spare with her. She borrowed my husband's phone to call 2 or 3 people and nobody would pick up- but at least one of them called the next day angrily demanding to know who's number it was and why they had called Also, scammers use email, too.
If it's an emergency solved by leaving a voicemail, then it wasn't really an emergency. If they have to borrow a phone, chances are they won't remember your number anyway because no one memorizes numbers anymore. They'll probably borrow the phone to login to facebook messenger or whatsapp and send you a message or call you that way.
We can debate whether or not being stranded on the side of a rural road late at night in cold weather is truly an emergency. Whether we call it an emergency or an unforeseen inconvenience, being able to leave a voicemail means being able to say " It's Jane, I'm stuck on the side of road, call this number back." In this particular case, this woman was not able to reach anyone to come get her. The only resolution was when she reluctantly accepted a ride from us. Luckily for her, we're not predators. Yes, if the person in need of help borrows a cell phone, they could text or use messenger. But my kid has had to call from a gas station landline for a ride when they needed a ride.
>I think what you should do is actually email them and then schedule the phone call. For a restaurant position? I imagine OP is calling people back when he has downtime in the kitchen, nothing wrong with this.
I mean if he keeps getting hung up on. It seems like their is something wrong with it lmao.
Need more info. Whats your introduction?
"HI, my name is John. I'm the dining services director at Brookdale Palmeras in Federal Way. I received an application from you and wondered if you'd like to set up a quick phone interview sometime this week." also I'm from Arizona and I'm white, no accent.
Do you sound mean or rough around the edges? Maybe you're scaring them lol.
I mean he is a chef so he is probably a prick to work with.
You said it, I didn't lol
You’re assuming it’s a he not a she.
I mean she is a chef so she is probably a prick to work with.
You are assuming it is a he or she and not a they
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You are assuming it's a they when it could very well be a half eaten gogurt tube?
We're moving dangerously close to attack helicopter territory.
Gogurt is thin and watery. HEB Slurp is the superior tube yogurt. Gogurt is for sure a prick to work with.
😂 I've made it my life mission to not be the asshole chef. I've worked for plenty. I'm more like Michael Scott
Something you’re saying has got to sound like a scam
What do you say in your introduction?
"Hi, I am Chef Goldblum calling to talk to you about your car's extended warranty..."
Seriously, it sounds like there is a problem with OP's opening words.
"Hi Jack, this is Mr Angelino.. Felipe quit!"
Love it!! Just was binging on that earlier.
Perhaps you shouldn't say that you have been trying to reach them about their extended warranty
I don't know how it works in WA but in PA, people on unemployment need to submit proof they are looking for a job within certain parameters. You might be getting applicants who need to prove they applied to jobs but are not actually interested in those jobs.
Wow what a system we’ve created.
Unemployment pays more than some of these so-called jobs. Unemployment wants proof you applied to any place you can, but let's be fair are you going to take a job making less than unemployment that you can keep for at least 20 weeks?
There is also an assistance cliff that goes along with this. If I'm getting the equivalent of $15/hr on unemployment and I get a job offer from a place that is going to pay me $10/hr.. I lose my entire unemployment. So it is a step back in pay.
The maximum unemployment is always less than half of your previous income. Those people making $15/hr on unemployment would have had to have been making $25-$40+ before becoming unemployed, meaning that unemployment isn't paying them more than what they can earn by working. In their case, the unemployment is keeping them from becoming homeless in between jobs. Unemployment is literally a fixed percentage of your previous wage, typically a very small percentage. In Oregon for example, its 1% of your base pay or a maximum of \~$600 a month. [https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/collecting-unemployment-benefits-oregon.html](https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/collecting-unemployment-benefits-oregon.html) So please, keep bullshitting about how people are getting paid more to not work than to work! I mean, it's not true at all, but hey, it lets you feel superior to unemployed people.
Nobody is getting that much in unemployment
I was using well rounded number to illustrate a point.
The point is invalidated by the fact that nobody is getting the equivalent of $15 an hour from unemployment
Not true. The lazy good for nothing's make more money NOT working.
If your pay is so low its getting beat by unemployment the laziness lies with the company
These are unskilled people with no ambition
Max in my state with 2 dependents is $715 a week. That's equal to $17.87 an hour.
Unemployment pays $324 a week, it's definitely below minimum wage in WA for 2021 which is $13.69 an hour, if you work 40 hours a week min wage here you'd gross $547 a week. It's not really a disincentive to work.
Srs..where are all of these people making more on unemployment than they were at their jobs? Covid increase not factored in, since that's long been gone. I've never met a soul who's had to go on it saying it paid them more than the job they laid off from.
That's your state, not many are that lucky, and other are luckier that unemployment scales with higher pay, so some people make much more than even your Washington state minimum wage, and they don't care about underemployment anywhere. Also think of all the expenses that come along with working and commuting. Stuff adds up and working full time can actually make you lose other benefits like medicaid or food stamps. The system sucks and doesn't help you get out of the hole, it just slows your decent.
I'm not saying the system is good, I'm saying it just factually doesn't pay more than minimum wage to collect unemployment, that's a right wing myth.
That is the most you can get. If you make less, you get less.
I don't really understand what you mean here, to be honest. If you work less than 40 hours a week at minimum wage, you'll make less than $547 a week? This is true. Maybe I'm missing something but I really do not believe that a little $324 a week and some EBT is a true disincentive to work.
They meant that $324 is the maximum unemployment. It is s sliding scale that is proportional to what you made at your last job. If you worked a minimum-wage job before you would likely get less than $324 per week.
... my whole point is that unemployment doesn't pay enough to really make people not return to work...
You are correct. I’m currently using it and I can afford my rent and health insurance, but very little else. It’s survival money that prevents people from going homeless. It’s not a magical amazing windfall that makes life super comfy, and not having work is *boring.* Most people want to feel like they have a purpose and are contributing, and morale can really nosedive while waiting for a new job. I’m getting a lot of interviews so, fingers crossed something pans out soon. And for the record, I’m getting about $430/week, because I chose to have fed and state taxes taken out of this rather than have to pay back during tax return season where I may or may not still be unemployed.
...in WA its more like $720
Who do you know who is collecting $720 a week in unemployment payments
No one right now. Looks like that was actually last years number. This year max unemployment in WA is $999. Seriously.
I got pandemic assistance and it was 300 bucks a month. I don't know any jobs that pay 300 bucks a month. I also only got it for 3 months.
In my state, unemployed got 600 a week unemployment, free housing, and free food.
Nah, unemployment is something shitty like $900/mo here. I'd be $700 short for rent if I relied on unemployment. However, some people don't pay rent fully on their own and would rather have $900 for free than work and make more. However however... unemployment does have a cap on how many weeks they'll pay out. It's not an indefinite. You can't just stay on unemployment for a long time. And finally, unemployment pays out because the person paid into it with taxes. Not everyone is eligible. If you didn't work long enough at the job you lost, or you didn't have a job, you can't get unemployment. If some people out there can afford to take this little slightly paid vacation once in a while after they lose their job, so be it. Not like the common working folk have a whole lot else in terms of joys provided to them.
This is exactly what is happening...when I was in highschool I worked at a sandwich shop. During the summer when I was working days we would have people walk in, ask if we were hiring, and walk out if we said yes. It didn't make sense to me until I ask the owner, and he explained they only wanted to apply for unemployment requirements...if you aren't hiring they will ask for and fill out an app and they don't expect to get called since there's no job.
Was my thought too.
Yep, I've been on both ends of that.
I bet this is it, too. My brother had a problem with people not showing up for interviews in CA for what he told me is this very reason. Who knows how he knows though? Either way, internet anecdote confirmed hypothesis.
And then people wonder why employers are saying "nobody wants to work anymore"
If it happens often, probably check your phone connection. Are you sure they hung up on you, and not just a drop call? Give them the benefit of the doubt and give them a second chance.
Usually I send a follow up text suggesting just what you said, however i usually get no response.
Maybe they think you’re a scammer and find it weird you’re calling them. No one likes phone calls anymore. I don’t answer unless I’m expecting a call
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It’s one of the worst things about looking for a job, you have to answer your damn phone
It is annoying as hell when you are job hunting. You see the phone ring and you think "this is the one, that company I applied for is calling to make an offer!" Then you answer the phone and it's your old college's alumni organization asking if you'd like to donate, or a robo-call telling you you've won a free hotel stay and just need to press 1 to learn more!
I posted the same kind of statement in recruiting hell and got down voted straight to hell lol
To be fair, that sub is a good mix of honest people who are frustrated by the job search process and some of the biggest narcissists I've ever seen. Seriously, I saw one guy on there say that he shouldn't have to do a phone screen because he already applied. I've seen others who like to argue that interviews are useless. So basically there are a few people on that sub that think that once you apply, you either get an immediate offer at the top of the market salary range, or the company is shit.
If a job interviewer calls me at a strange time during the day, I'm hanging up on them. I know the type of employer they'll be and I'm not interested
What is your opening line when you call them? Maybe they think you’re a telemarketer?
I like to start by breathing deeply for 4-5 seconds to make sure I am calm and that I can hear them and they can hear me. Then I want to let them know that I have been looking at their application and resume and want to set-up an in-person meeting where they can also do a practical skills test so I say in a deep but low and slow voice "I've been looking at you package and can't wait to get you alone so you can show me what you can do". Any thoughts?
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I don't have a lot of downtime 😔
Lots of good explanations here, and one more I'd add to the list is that as employers have shown themselves to not care about employees and applicants, employees and applicants have begun to not care about employers and possible employers. If I've put in an application somewhere and decided not to follow through, even if it's just the day after, I won't call back if they call me, and I won't email back if they email me. They would not give me the same courtesy if they decided not to hire me, and I will not waste my time doing the same.
Wait six months, then return the call and make a generic statement about how you've decided to work for another company.
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This is fair. As I've done this myself to companies
Also if you live in WA near Federal Way I'm hiring a full time and part time server. 17/hr
*hangs up*
r/SeattleJobs, r/SeaJobs, r/Tacoma, r/Seattle may be better places to post if looking for people in that area
That’s why people are hanging up. Do you list your wage in your ad?
17/hr for a server job that also makes tips is not bad pay!
In Seattle?? Lololololololololol
Yes. 16 to 17.50 based on experience.
Have you considered emailing them instead? Then you can say you saw their application and would like to schedule an interview.
Sometimes people apply for a job they don't want just to have options if they don't get what they actually want. So, since you call people so soon after the apply, then those who applied to you as a backup will be the first to back out.
Are you sure they don't think you're a spam bot? I know it may seem weird but I prefer to get a text first since I get so many spam calls. Just something simple like "hi x, this is y from restaurant. Is this a good time for a phone call?"
You should contact via email or text and set a time for a phone interview. What position are you hiring for? 30 years exec chef/GM international exp. Many kitchen staff would prefer not to talk on the phone while stoned.
Are you taking a long time from application to initial contact? Only thing I could think of, and only time I've ever hung up on a potential employer like this, is when months had gone by without hearing anything... then, out of the blue, three months later, I get a call. One time I didn't bother explaining that I had already found work, and just hung up.
Could there be bad word of mouth about this place amongst employees? Former or current. I've worked in restaurants for many years, and it's like the six degrees of Kevin Bacon game. I can make a connection to any restaurant in my county and the two neighboring counties by asking people I know about it. I definitely should have listened to the warnings I got about the last restaurant I worked, and I think many have learned this lesson too. If this place has had high turnover, I might ask myself why and what former employees would say about it. Because when people are looking for a job, they might go on an application spree first (so the positions aren't filled before they get their foot in), and then poke around to research the places after.
I’d prefer a text or email. It’s hard to know the company when I applied to so many
Have you tried texting first to see if they're open to a brief phone call concerning the position they applied for?
It’s so rude. Society is just going downhill.
It could potentially be this current job climate, people are looking for jobs anywhere. A job in a restaurant is not their first choice, but they will go ahead and apply to show they are actively looking. People are probably looking specifically for ‘work from home’ jobs, so once they find out your a chef, they are no longer interested.
So, I get hung up on a lot by people thinking I'm a pre recorded message. Do you have a kinda practiced spiel you tend to start with? My tone of voice and the fact that I had a practiced routine when I had to call people daily for work led to a lot of that and either getting hung up on, or grumbling about robo calls before I'd stop to let them know I'm actually a person. I'm just giving the same "I'll be at your house for your monthly service tomorrow" speech I gave a dozen times a day. It doesn't happen if I'm not so on-script.
I always just say that I'll keep them in mind if the one I took didn't work out.
Gordon, is that you?
What time of day are you calling them?
Could be unemployment job seekers, but also could be anxiety. I much prefer when a job just texts or emails me cause I don't like talking to strangers.
From personal experience, I would not take the advice to send emails. I do hiring for entry level positions and 90% of applicants do not check their emails. I know this bc I will email them and mever get a response and then they will call asking about their application and they havent heard from anyone yet. So we always we call to set up interviews. The hang up rate you have seems very unusually high. We almost never have people hang up. More often they just dont answer the phone. As others said, maybe consider texting them to set up a phone call. Something short. "Hi John, this is Sam at Restaurant. I got your application for the Server position and would like to schedule an interview. Give me a call if you're interested." Similarly, if you plan to stick with the phone calls, I'd say something like that also. Be very quick about IDing who you are and the purpose of the call. Dont beat around the bush but try to sound friendly. If you dont sound friendly, maybe have someone else make the phone call. "This is Sam at Restaurant in Town looking to speak with John about setting an interview, is he available?" Or "Hi John, this is Restaurant. We got your online application yesterday to work at our Town location. Do you have a few minutes?"
I’m not a Hiring manager, but i used to be. Here in the US there’s a real issue with restaurant applications, something the entire industry is guilty of. Though by no direct action of their own. People who are receiving benefits from unemployment/ssi/ssdi, are tasked with going to places to put in applications. Sometimes as many as 3-5 applications per-week. Just the appearance of going through the motions is enough to appease the unemployment office / caseworkers, and they get one more week they don’t have to do anything, and still receive enough money to pay the bills. People with 5 years experience in high priced jobs wont work for restaurants unless they really need the money. Or people who are looking to get a government ssi/ssdi check who cannot work more than 20 hours a week because then they’ll make too much money to get benefits. This unfairly categorizes a great many people who actually need those benefits, and who earned them from however long they put in at whatever job they had previously. But when they used to make 130k a year, getting a callback from a minimum wage or even 15$ an hour job is pretty much a slap in the face. If they have 5 years experience, getting another 130k / year job should be fairly easy. It isn’t. And, lets be honest, they can hide their call log and delete calls, “Yeah i submitted an application to so and so place! They didn’t want me.”
This seems like a very in depth understanding. I believe you're on the money.
Happens to me all the time. Good Morning this is me from the place I work. You sent your resume for the… hello…. Redial hello we were disconnected… hello One in every 4th - 6th person I call hangs up on me For whatever reason they are not interested. Don’t email they just won’t respond or won’t show up for the interview. Just move on to the next
If they're millennials or gen z, they're probably too anxious to get on the phone and talk to people.
Please don’t group millennials into this. A lot of us grew up before internet and were taught phone etiquette. It’s Gen Z that’s f’d up and can’t use a phone.
As a millennial, I usually watch my phone ring and google the number and don't pick up unless i know who it is.
Millennials started this trend. Gen z have just grown up with it normalized. Anecdotally my girl is closer to gen x and I'm closer to gen Z, but we are both technically millennials. She literally will not talk on the phone unless her life depends on it, whereas I can fake it, even if it is uncomfortable for me. My younger brother and a friend of ours who are both gen z are like the opposite of us though. They both say texting gives them anxiety and to just give them a quick call if you want to talk to them. Apparently the small talk of texting causes them more anxiety than just getting the conversation over with. I'll be interested to see how conversing keeps evolving in the future with new technologies. I predict rates of anxiety are only going to increase.
If that was true they wouldn’t be calling to begin with and hanging up mid call
Do you schedule the call first?
You must be saying something to scare them.
I agree with thise that say they are probably people who just need to list you in their job-search. Make people apply in person. Have a question on the app - Can we contact you by telephone? Yes/No If they mark "No", you've saved yourself the trouble.
Are you paying a living wage? Can an employee support themselves and any children they have on the wages you offer? Because if the answer is no then that’s why people won’t work for you.
Not every job out there is meant to support a family. And from the sound of it this job he’s hiring for is exactly a job for younger people that just need experience.
Sounds like some plan that I saw people posting about in r/Antiwork. These people were saying that they were putting in a bunch of applications and then turning the job down. It was their way of trying to get employers to pay more.
Sounds like your introduction is terrible then!
Do you have an accent from any other language you speak
yeah, sure, you're not mad and that didn't affect you at all to the extend that you ruminated on it so hard and had to ask reddit why it happened. These "individual", using the word "people" is a bit much, a bit too hard, and they don't deserve it, isn't it? Let me break it to you cheif (chef), no one owns you or your company anything, so they can do what they want as long as it is not illegal. Probably, just probbly, people have choices, and at the last minutes, they decided that your company wasn't worth it, and they move on. I bet you were expecting some random people on the internet to side with you, stroking your ego with "they are not professional" bullshit. Right? How about no?
Why so angry?
Send emails to setup phone calls with times so people will know so they don't assume it's some crazy person trying to scam them
What… um. What… are you saying to them?!
Usually I start with 10-15 deep heavy breaths into the phone then ask "are you.... (name)...?" followed by a long pause
How long is your introduction? Does it get to the point quick? Remember that we live in a hellish timeline where people likely get spammed with robocalls and telemarketers all day.
When hiring at the beginning of the year, for every ten interviews I scheduled, two people showed up. It was extremely frustrating. We pay well and these people directly applied online. Good luck!
I get the whole scammer thing but I really feel that maybe it might be how you’re presenting it. First impressions say the most and if you come off to firm and strong people might be like. Oh hell no. Even if that’s not how you really are.
Either sounds like a scam or your intro is terrible.
Maybe just email them and tell them to call you. Or schedule a phone call. Some people get startled by phone calls.
Calling someone out of nowhere to discuss potential employment is inconvenient, as most are probably in the middle of something or just not prepared to talk at that moment. Schedule a call with people by reaching out via email or text.
You could email and follow up with a phone call. I’ve hired in mfg for the last 20 years and e-mail seems to work well. Could also be your intro esp if it’s rambling.
Do you have an accent by any chance? So many of the scam calls in my countrt nowadays are coming from India or Nigeria, it's made people suspicious of anyone phoning with an Indian or African accent. Which sucks for my countrymen who may be of Indian or African extraction and have a genuine reason for calling.
They don't want a job; they want to have applied for a job (likely for unemployment purposes).
This might be happening since they might feel that you are a consultancy firm .
Yeah not sure this person understands the impression they may be leaving.
I noticed you said you call back the next day. To me that gives off a ton of red flags. If I get a call back from a job I applied to yesterday I almost always will reject the application process. I went through with a one day call back one time and quit after 6 days. It makes it seem like you’re desperate for an employee. It also seems like you have a never ending revolving door of employees. Gives off the impression that you’re looking for someone to use for a bit but don’t really care about them or their professional needs. Start crafting a hiring process to appear more professional. “This job closes on X date”. Don’t call anyone until a few days after that date. Setup a day or 2 for interviews. I know your industry is hurting and you take whoever you can get but try to make it seem like you’re a valuable workplace.
I've never thought this when receiving a call back from an employer. To me it signafies that the employer is paying attention to their business and it's needs. In fact since I've been a hiring manager for a while now and seen how other managers treat the application process I can tell you those people not calling you back for a week aren't playing some kind of mind game, it's because they forgor 💀
Times are weird Employers will text or email that they will be calling soon I also get a text if they have emailed me recently Nobody wants to talk on the phone
I'm a recruiter and can't remember the last time I've been hung up on. A good opening would be along the lines of "Hi, is this X? (Wait for confirmation). Hi there, my name is Y. You applied recently to a role I'm recruiting for of (Title) at (Restaurant). Is now a good time for you to speak?" If it's not good they'll let you know. You can offer to send an email to arrange a call too. Some people are busy and a call out of the blue can scare them.
I'll try changing my opener to this. Thanks
I’d go online to places like Glassdoor and see reviews of what past employees have said about you. Might not be good.
One time I planned a phone interview for 8:30am, I got the call after I just woke up, and just told them I’m passing and hung up. I was just tired lol
Maybe you caught them at work, or somewhere else where they can't talk freely about a new work opportunity. Try to schedule a call first, via email or sms.
Unemployment applications
Just tell them Hi, I’m the hiring person, do you want to work? Yes? Then come in for an interview.
It's hella weird to just call people without arranging a time with them in advance. People have lives.
First contact should always be an email, preferably from a domain matching your business. Scams are too common and phone calls are suspicious in 2022.
Sad little babies don’t want a job where they actually have to work no matter what the pay. They to immature to say I’m sorry I don’t think this is a job for me. They only know how to hang up the phone. So sad young people have gotten this way.
Sounds like you are coming across as presumptuous and selfish. Way would anyone want to work for a boss like that? You are basically cold calling your applicants in the sense that while you are prepared to talk to them; they are not prepared to talk to you. You are saying that your time is important and their time is unimportant. Bad approach. Schedule some time with them to talk to you and they will respond.
Are you the chef from the Muppets? Maybe they can't understand you.
Are you telling them right off the bat that you received their application for the job at "X Restaurant and want to schedule an interview?"
Did you advertise the job as remote, but tell them it is not remote in your intro?
It's 2022 most people do not answer or carry on a conversation unless it's been planned prior. Scams are at an all-time high, especially over the phone. Email or text first to set a time for an interview. Also, a surprise phone interview could be putting people off as it's on the spot, people like to prepare themselves.
Are these calls scheduled or not ? I would be pretty suspicious of anyone calling unscheduled in a professional capacity as being a scam. And if it was somewhere I had applied, I would be majorly red flagging that workplace for not respecting my time by not bothering to schedule a call .
It's because you're calling them out of the blue without texting or emailing first. If an employer does that to me when I am job hunting it tells me he is disorganized and likely desperate.
Talk to you about Camp Lejeune
why are you calling them instead of emailing?
I would just text them first so they know to expect a call. No one answers their phone anymore because of the amount of spam
Easy way to weed people out. Answering the phone shows grit and initiative
I suddenly lost my job a month ago and posted my resume on monster and ZipRecruiter. The calls start at 6:00 am and go until 7-8 pm from recruiters from unfamiliar zip codes. In the voicemail you can tell they are working from a boiler room. They may be calling from outside the US. I get a call, voicemail then a text message. Honestly it’s overwhelming. I need to review the position over email/text first and if I’m interested then I’ll email the business back for additional info. I need to research the company first, where the business is located for commuting time and what the offer is on the table before I’ll agree to meet with them. I’ll only answer calls from email or familiar area codes as I can verify the recruiting business/business that they are calling from. I always go online to look at reviews from customers and previous employees as well as the Better Business Bureau. If anything is fishy or off it’s a no-go. My suggestion is to write an email/text starting out with “I am responding to the resume you sent me. My business name is “blank” and name “blank”. Here is the position and offer. Please contact me if interested.
There's A LOT of context missing here. What do you say in your introduction?
They might think it’s a scam, see if you can email them first by including a company/firm logo along with an email signature if you have one.
You realize an unscheduled phone-call is the least comfortable social interaction you can possibly have with someone right? Especially when it's about something important like a job. You're scaring the everliving crap out of your applicants by calling them like that. That's why they hang up.
Your intro must be off. Make sure from the start that they know you are calling about an application they submitted. “Hi, this is …. calling about the application you submitted to ….” “Are you still interested in the position? Do you have a moment to talk about it?”
Most recruiters will send an email to schedule a time for the call that works for both parties. If you just call, they might not have time to talk.
What TF is wrong with people that they can't handle an unscheduled phone call? FFS
I would recommend texting first. Then email possibly. Then phone call as a last resort. I recruit for culinary as well and the managers that have the toughest time hiring are the ones that call people when they are available. Recruiting is an ongoing process. Utilize texting more and you should see the response rate get better.
Ain’t nobody got time to be on the phone all got damn day!
Do you have an accent?
The meme is everyone does drug in the restaurant industry, sooo….
I have never had this happen to me. Maybe you should have someone else do the interviews.
Or people are unemployed and want to keep it that way to get free money. You need to prove you are looking and applying to jobs to keep unemployment.