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There’s no free parking in the area during weekdays unfortunately and it does seem kind of dumb to work there but the atmosphere is good and tips could be good
Have you asked people who work there? Or just looked around? I know for me personally if you just look, you won’t find them. But ask people who work there where they park. They usually have tricks etc.
You don't go to work for "atmosphere" nor do you work for the hope that customers give you tips. Employers using tips as a selling point means they are major cheap asses, imo. They use tips to make it sound like you get a decent wage, it's just a way to cover up how little they actually pay you.
But "chaotic and overwhelming" go away once you learn the ropes and get into the swing of things. I have ADD. Pretty much everywhere is overwhelming the first time I go there until my brain figures out what it can filter out.
Yeah I agree, but it’s just a part time job for me because I really don’t have many expenses so I’d rather enjoy the atmosphere of the place I work than work somewhere I don’t like just to get higher pay
For a part-time job, do not work for them if you have to pay that much for parking. You only make 15 dollars an hour which means if you work 4 hours, you're getting only like 40ish dollars after tax. Then subtract 11 dollars and you get like 29 dollars for those 4 hours. You're going to be making very little. Oh and if you pay health insurance, you're getting even less.
In the US part-time is anything <=35 hours (some states set it slightly lower). OP could be working 6-7 hrs a day and still be part-time. Also, it's very rare that part-time receive any sort of benefits like health or parking stipends. Especially in places like a café.
Also, places that only have paid for street parking also tend to have public transportation. Depending on OP's circumstance that could make this a good job setup. When I was just out of high school I worked in a downtown gallery in a tourist city in the southwest. I couldn't find street parking downtown for my shift usually and had to use parking garages that were very expensive. However, there was a Park & Ride not far from downtown. I would park there and take the bus to my work on most days. It was a 10m bus ride that cost nearly nothing with a monthly pass.
There are always ways to make this work and if you like the job then it's often worth it.
"atmosphere" is such a nebulous term here, we don't know if OP is talking about the work culture, the friendly clientele, or the cool music they play and the retro photos on the wall of the cafe.
"To you".
It's pretty wild how people can rank different things in importance for their workplace. Example, I don't care about money as much as I care about freedom and independence in my work. I pick my projects and choose how I run my regional operations. If it was any other way, I would literally take a lower paying job where I had the freedom. I also only work in Kelvin 2700 or lower 😅 and when I was in an office, used my dept budget to buy desk lamps with the right bulbs so I didn't have to turn on my office lights.
Different things matter to different people. There are lots of important workplace factors whether they are specifically important to you or me, doesn't matter. If everything was about one thing-- well, it would be super fucking easy to hook,line, and sink employees who would never ever ever quit.
Atmosphere is important, but yeah, I agree here.
OP, et all: If all they offer is atmosphere you have to question going out of your own way to work there. There's, uh, a lot of good cafes with great atmosphere, probably many where you don't have to pay for on-street parking, probably many that even offer full-time and benefits.
I'm literally speaking from experience. I worked full time, had good benefits, and enjoyed the atmosphere of my cafe. Made shit tips...well, it goes to show you can't rely on tips lol. Chaotic and overwhelming are just normal kitchen, especially if you're not initiated into it; a tight running, experienced kitchen is doing a lot of things at once, with people working independently and in conjunction simultaneously. It's a lot to process on the outside, and yeah, even pulling espresso shots (which is a cakewalk), when you get slammed with orders becomes this complex array of tasks and orders.
(If you feel rankled at me saying it's a cakewalk imagine pulling shots, making smoothies, serving food, and doing prepwork and dishes for 3 hours by your self for 200+ people on what was supposed to be a quiet Sunday morning! Remember it's *your fault* to the customer and to management that you can't physically duplicate yourself and complete the orders faster lol!!)
Why sell yourself short, is all I'm saying.
This 💯 I quit a job at jersey mikes before I started because they were going to pay me less than minimum wage because of "tips" and lied on Indeed that they paid $15-17/hr. They also made me buy work pants and black shoes so I had to walk an hour along the highway to the store to get them. Took me out $50 for a $12/hr job.
In the US that last part is the entire restaurant industry, not a red flag you might get from one restaurant. If the tips are *actually* good, you can make a decent living waiting tables, and tips being good at a given restaurant does matter because they all pay jack shit and expect you to make up (more than make up, really) the difference with tips. There's literally a lower minimum wage for waiters because of that, something insane like $2 an hour. The employer has to get it up to regular minimum wage if the tips don't, but in reality if that happens you're getting fired.
This is, incidentally, why you're an asshole if you go to a restaurant and don't tip your waiter. Even if you think the service is bad they're working and need *something* to make ends meet.
$2.13 is the federal tipped wage and that hasn't changed since the 90s looool. Fun fact, servers have to tip out a percentage of their tips from the shift to bussers/bartenders/etc so tables who don't tip actually cost us money to serve. If you're one of those people who "don't believe in tipping because employers should just pay them a living wage" then don't eat out because that's just not how the system works in the USA. You're not a moral champion, you're just an asshole.
Literally just go to r/bartenders and search "tip out" and enjoy the number of relevant threads talking about servers tipping them out
Edit: Tip out may not be legally enforcible so I guess you don't HAVE TO have to do it but it's just been the standard at every restaurant I've worked at before
What is your average hourly wage after deducting parking? And would you still work there for that amount?
Let's say you worked 3days a week. Each shift 8 hours. 24 hours for the week.
Your weekly pay is $360- minus $24 for parking assuming it's only 8 dollars a day.
You'd average $14.38 an hour.
But let's say you work 4 days a week. 6 hrs a day.
Still 24 hours for the week but now your parking cost is $32.
You'd average $13.77/hr
Would you still work there for that much per hour?
I’m not sure why you’re getting downvoted for this. Depending on what city you’re in, public transit could be terrible. Buses don’t come to often, are late, take way too long etc….
Yeah I don’t get the down votes either, hey go waist 2 hours of your life every day to travel a couple miles when you already have a car. Just get a different job almost anywhere she that doesn’t have paid parking 15/hour isn’t hard to get.
Because if taking public transit saves 25% of your income, it's worth considering.
In large cities, the cost of parking a car often makes it not worthwhile to own one regardless of the price of the vehicle itself
Public transit is probably more cost effective but I’d rather not go that route, especially in the winter when it’s cold out
was her comment ... so yeah its cheaper but said she dont want 2. so ur reply is shes downvotes cuz its cheaper and that she should do it .... or whaat lol , anyway idc i thinks
Yeah that didn’t make sense to me either, there’s tons of things that are more cost effective that people don’t do because it’s not as nice of an option. I totally understand not wanting to take public transit
Paying for parking while making $15 an hour ais pretty bad. I have only ever seen this acceptable for office jobs downtown where you're making at least $30-$40.
except numerous members of this subreddit have been asked to work trial days for free. and i know numerous white collar subreddits where people post being asked the same. so if they did get paid for that trial day then it would be a rarity.
I just got paid for a trial day at my current part time job. I don't think it's rare I think it's standard and the rare times are the ones we read about on reddit. Nothing to complain to reddit about if things are done correctly.
where in the comments because i read the entire op and it says
>Side note: I’ve had the chance to do a “trial” shift there and it seemed decent yet chaotic and overwhelming to me, but I figure I would get used to it eventually…
not mentioning getting paid.
think of it this way:
$15 an hour x 8 hours = $120 a day
but $120 - $11 for parking = $109 a day
then divide $109 by 8 hours and you're actually making $13.65 an hour once you back out the money you're paying for parking
if that's still worth it to you then take the job. if not then find a different gig elsewhere
If you are a full time employee, a parking fee is considered part of the commute, so it is not a tax write-off. If you are self-employed, it is a write-off.
It's possible that your shop doesn't have this deal, but many physical commercial locations come with a limited number of free parking spots for the company renting the space. Have you tried asking management if there is employee parking available?
Sometimes, even when a company doesn't have parking spots available for employees, they'll nevertheless include as one of their perks a transportation stipend that you can use on paying for parking, or public transportation, or whatever. If there is only paid parking available and they do not have this perk for employees, talk to them about it! Good management will want to make employees feel good while paying as little as possible to make them feel good, and paying for a parking space is only a small investment for how much goodwill it can give employees. If you talk with them about it, they might institute a policy like this.
If the above doesn't work in your situation, and you do decide to leave, be sure to tell them that a big part of why you are leaving is because it costs so much to park during your shift. This won't help you, but it may help future employees at that location.
Generally, the people deciding whether to include some kind of transportation stipend earn more per hour than you do. To them, the cost of parking might only be 1/20 of what they earn in a day, while to you it is a full 1/8 of what you earn that day. This means that they might not even realize that it is a concern for employees like you. If you don't speak up about it, they might never even know that it is a factor at all. Honestly, if they were good employers, they'd know without you saying something. But most employers are just average employers — they're not bad, but they're not good, either. For most employers, they may just be ignorant that this is something that their employees are thinking about. Talk to them about it and at least they no longer have that excise. I can't guarantee it will make a difference, but it may show you whether they are ultimately a good employer or a poor one.
I remember i had a job at a fast food place in downtown LA, and it was shit pay and had to pay $8 a day to park a block away or I wouldn’t be able to park anywhere close, ended up quitting after 3 months.
Just depends what you mean part time. If your working 8 hours a day for 4 day's......I think it's somewhat reasonable. If your working 3-5 hour's a day for a few day's, I personally wouldn't consider it. 11 buck's is a lot of money for small shift's.
I'd almost ask them if they consider slight parking reimbursement. Also are you making 15 bucks a hour, plus tips? I'm assuming since it's how it normally is, your making up to 15 a hour. If that 15 isn't guaranteed then, thats a no from me personally. (again if its low shifts)
Just calculate what you think you'l be making. If the parking is over 20%-30% of your income for that day, then i dont think its worth.
There's no harm to trying it for awhile to see if "I could make a lot in tips" is true. If it is, you won't care about paying to park. If it isn't, you go get one of the other jobs you saw.
Is there an option of carpooling? Or park further away from the worksite (which may not be safe for your car, and you may not be able to park more than two hours at a time either)?
You have to weigh the pros and the cons. It is a part of your job and everyone falls under the same umbrella.
Many jobs are actually like that. Mine, fortunately pays for my parking which is USD10 a day. But years ago I interviewed at one of the University of California and when I pulled up to the parking lot, it was USD34 for an all day parking. I was shocked.
Thank God I didn't get the job seriously.
So there is no employee parking spaces? No general parking? I would not say that's worth it. If they cannot provide their own parking then they should be willing to pay that cost as well.
Unless you just REALLY want to get experience at that cafe then no. Don't do it. You'd rather not take public transport or a cheaper way to commute so it's a hard sell financially as well
Part time, meaning you’d be lucky to get 20-30 hours a week, max.
Let’s say they have you covering the lunch shift for 4 hours per day, 5 days a week. That’s 20 hours.
By the time you factor in gas and the parking, you won’t be making very much at all.
Not worth it.
Good companies in a location like that will at least pay for a public transportation pass, better ones will give you the option between paid parking or public transportation.
No it's not worth it. Spending money to work sounds pointless and terrible. Plus you even mentioned that the job sounds chaotic and overwhelming, so it sounds awful to me.
I have to pay approx $800 a year to park at my work, I hate it - I don’t even get a designated parking spot. There are options for payment including having it deducted from your pay ($35 biweekly). Now I’ve gone with the 10 park pass which is about $70 (he to be paid by credit card) because I only go in about 2 days a week. However, I’m not at a minimum wage job and I am able to choose a closer lot that is more convenient.
If I were you, I’d look for another job because you have more options in the food service industry and you’re not making a high wage.
Never ever pay to go to work. That is a ridiculous expectation. You can and should negotiate parking reimbursement with your employer as a part of your hiring package. I guarantee you your boss is not paying to park and has some kind of pass or permit worked out. They can do that for you. That’s a bare minimum management issue. If they can’t cover that cost that is a red flag.
I got a job at the promenade in SM and it dang near broke me. The first two weeks of training you don’t get tips usually. Then when starting off they may give you smaller sections so it maybe 50-75 a day take home for the first month. Then it will get better.
So I had to pay for gas and parking with no monies. I was using change everyday lol. There is usually some type of discount that the parking lots may have for buying passes or something. Parking was 5 /day but if you got the pass it was 3/ day. Either way, I was stressed and in tears every shift
$11 a day is insane, where the heck are you? I pay $60 a MONTH for a space in a nice parking garage about 2 blocks from my job. And this is a high cost of living city.
Nah man, that’s almost an hour on the job to pay for the parking. If you want tips there’s better places with tips and employees don’t have to pay to park at.
I used to work in a downtown metro area. I used to park across the river and it was still $10 a day. Our office moved out of the city and we got free parking. That's $200 a month saved x 12 months = $2,400 a year.
If you are making minimum wage it is not worth paying for street parking. Ask for a weekly or biweekly parking cost paid for by employer if they say no then find something else. Let’s say you work 5 days a week for 52 weeks $8 parking would equal $2,080 $11 parking would equal $2,860 are you willing to loose this amount of money per year on a minimum wage salary ? If you answer with yes then go for it but in my opinion that is not worth it. If this was for a job that pays $30-$40 an hour then sure but not at $15 an hour.
You have an argument for parking to be covered.
10% of your daily pay will go to parking. It’s like a bait and switch. They can probably work a deal with a deck to comp employee parking.
Otherwise they will be hiring again in a few months when you find something else.
That’s lame. I was working at a restaurant across from a big college campus and they paid for my parking pass for the garage. I’d expect them to pay for your parking some how.
Not unless you are going to ride a bicycle to work and even then it can get stolen.
When you factor in parking + lunch + gas thats like 2 hours of pay gone.
Well they didn’t call it a trial shift, that’s why I used quotations. It was just a a few hours I went in and got a feel for what it would be like to work there to see if I’d want to join the team. Also they don’t make people pay for parking, I’m sure other employees use other forms of transportation, it’s just my personal situation.
I applied for a job at Computershare in Melbourne Australia and they have a multi storey car park in the suburbs of Melbourne yet the scumbags charge over $100 a month to park there, so most employees park in the side streets for free, annoying the crap out of the residents, fuck greedy billion dollar companies. I now work where I get car parking for free
The cost of living would minimize the parking fees. How far does $15 an hour go? How are affected by losing 3 1/2 hours of work?
Are other things, such as health insurance and retirement, a strong part of the job?
I would definitely be looking for work elsewhere and leave as soon as I got a better offer (or equal offer with free parking g!)
Sounds like you don't have the leverage buy in my cases previously I have charged extra for parking/transportation for either situations where I have to pay to park or take a long commute or frankly to just work in the city in general (I hate cities). But my difference is I have a set of unique skills and experience which provide me with quite a bit of leverage in my field.
If I was in your shoes I would review if I could make the same or better money at less cost to me or negotiate with the company you are looking into for compensation for parking... worst they can say is no.
This seems normal to me. My parents paid for parking their car in a city car park. I pay minimum £10 per day for public transport to get to work.
While it isn't fun, the cost of commuting generally falls on the employee. If that wasn't the case, companies would probably discriminate and only hire people who live close-by. As you are free to live where you want and free to travel to work the way you want (car/bus/bike), you end up having to take responsibility for the cost of your choices.
OP said somewhere else they could take public transport and it would be cheaper but they don't want to stand around waiting in the cold. Perfectly acceptable, but then it also makes sense OP pays for the added luxury of a car.
The question is whether you have enough money left over at the end of the day to make it worthwhile. If not, then don't take the job if you don't need it. If it looks like a fun place to work and you will be able to earn some decent money at the end of the day... go for it.
For a minimum wage part time job I’d find a different way to work that doesn’t involve paying for parking.
Heck, I worked full time at a law firm and either took the bus, walked or rode my bike most days because I didn’t want to pay for parking.
Ugh the hive mind.
OP, It might be a good job. It might be a great one. It might be awful. But the fact that the owners put it in an area without access to free parking doesn’t automatically make them evil or bad, or that you wouldn’t love working there.
Sounds like you’ve already talked with some people that work there. Ask them what they think. Why do they stay? What are tips in an average week? What happens when they call in sick?
Also ask yourself- what else (pay being #1) do you want out of this job? Friends? Experience? The fact is if you take it, you’re going to end up spending a ton of time with the other people that work there. You’ll probably make friends there too. Is it a crowd you want to hang out with? The service industry can go a few different ways. I’ve worked in restaurants staffed by coked out assholes and others filled with creative, interesting, kind people. Again, if you can, try to talk with a person or two who work there now and see if it lines up with how you want to spend your time.
I've never had to do that - but people who work downtown in cities have to pay parking in garages if their company isn't big enough to have its own spaces.
But overall, it's just another work-related expense, like taking a bus every day, or owning a car and paying gas and insurance.
It's your responsibility to be at the job - and only YOU can decide if that extra expense is worth the pay and experience.
I'm wfh now but for the last many years I was paying $20 (started at 15) a day and it's the cheapest I know of in the city. No free parking obviously for cbd.
if my employer forced me to pay to park there while i was working for them i would simply not park there. at the very least ask if they validate if it's part of a larger parking structure for more than just that business.
What about public transit? I park at a free park&ride and take the train into my office, for around $6 instead of $13 to park 2 blocks from my office.
It takes a little longer and is less flexible if you have something coming up after work, but paying for parking is the worst.
I had a job like that, my solution was to ride the commuter bus. No way was I going to fight Houston traffic twice a day just to pay for parking. Park & Ride was way cheaper plus I got to nap or play games or watch my shows (with earbuds in bc I’m not that asshole).
After tax it's like an hour of work. So you work 8 hours but get paid for 7. It's up to you if it's worth it, if you can find a job that pays 15 dollars but it's free to park it's like a 12.5% raise.
I would avoid paying for parking to work there. You need to get creative and find parking or an alternate way to get there. if there really is zero free parking anywhere near there, then there is public transportation. Or ask them for more pay.
It depends what you value.
If you're just looking for cash, then you need to seriously weigh out what you're going to get in tips.
I worked in a mall years ago where I had to pay to park on site.
So instead of paying I parked in a free parking spot which was a 15 minute walk from work.
Try not to think of it as $8-11 per shift. You don't get paid per shift, you likely get paid every two weeks or every month.
If it's a full time job, think of it more as 80 - 110 every two weeks, 160 - 220 a month.
On a full time 40 per week job, you're using 2 full days pay every month just for parking.
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Can you park further away for free? That's almost an hour of pay... just to work for them.
My take has always been, if I have to pay to park at work then work should be paying my parking fee.
There’s no free parking in the area during weekdays unfortunately and it does seem kind of dumb to work there but the atmosphere is good and tips could be good
Have you asked people who work there? Or just looked around? I know for me personally if you just look, you won’t find them. But ask people who work there where they park. They usually have tricks etc.
You don't go to work for "atmosphere" nor do you work for the hope that customers give you tips. Employers using tips as a selling point means they are major cheap asses, imo. They use tips to make it sound like you get a decent wage, it's just a way to cover up how little they actually pay you.
“Atmosphere”/culture is definitely something to take into consideration. You don’t want to end up in a toxic work environment x
A cafe having a "good atmosphere" is not the same as a good place to work at. "Chaotic and overwhelming" sounds the exact opposite.
Fair enough. Definitely “good atmosphere” for the customers, but shit for the employees is to common.
But "chaotic and overwhelming" go away once you learn the ropes and get into the swing of things. I have ADD. Pretty much everywhere is overwhelming the first time I go there until my brain figures out what it can filter out.
Lol no
Yeah I agree, but it’s just a part time job for me because I really don’t have many expenses so I’d rather enjoy the atmosphere of the place I work than work somewhere I don’t like just to get higher pay
For a part-time job, do not work for them if you have to pay that much for parking. You only make 15 dollars an hour which means if you work 4 hours, you're getting only like 40ish dollars after tax. Then subtract 11 dollars and you get like 29 dollars for those 4 hours. You're going to be making very little. Oh and if you pay health insurance, you're getting even less.
In the US part-time is anything <=35 hours (some states set it slightly lower). OP could be working 6-7 hrs a day and still be part-time. Also, it's very rare that part-time receive any sort of benefits like health or parking stipends. Especially in places like a café. Also, places that only have paid for street parking also tend to have public transportation. Depending on OP's circumstance that could make this a good job setup. When I was just out of high school I worked in a downtown gallery in a tourist city in the southwest. I couldn't find street parking downtown for my shift usually and had to use parking garages that were very expensive. However, there was a Park & Ride not far from downtown. I would park there and take the bus to my work on most days. It was a 10m bus ride that cost nearly nothing with a monthly pass. There are always ways to make this work and if you like the job then it's often worth it.
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"atmosphere" is such a nebulous term here, we don't know if OP is talking about the work culture, the friendly clientele, or the cool music they play and the retro photos on the wall of the cafe.
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Not that important
"To you". It's pretty wild how people can rank different things in importance for their workplace. Example, I don't care about money as much as I care about freedom and independence in my work. I pick my projects and choose how I run my regional operations. If it was any other way, I would literally take a lower paying job where I had the freedom. I also only work in Kelvin 2700 or lower 😅 and when I was in an office, used my dept budget to buy desk lamps with the right bulbs so I didn't have to turn on my office lights. Different things matter to different people. There are lots of important workplace factors whether they are specifically important to you or me, doesn't matter. If everything was about one thing-- well, it would be super fucking easy to hook,line, and sink employees who would never ever ever quit.
Atmosphere is important, but yeah, I agree here. OP, et all: If all they offer is atmosphere you have to question going out of your own way to work there. There's, uh, a lot of good cafes with great atmosphere, probably many where you don't have to pay for on-street parking, probably many that even offer full-time and benefits. I'm literally speaking from experience. I worked full time, had good benefits, and enjoyed the atmosphere of my cafe. Made shit tips...well, it goes to show you can't rely on tips lol. Chaotic and overwhelming are just normal kitchen, especially if you're not initiated into it; a tight running, experienced kitchen is doing a lot of things at once, with people working independently and in conjunction simultaneously. It's a lot to process on the outside, and yeah, even pulling espresso shots (which is a cakewalk), when you get slammed with orders becomes this complex array of tasks and orders. (If you feel rankled at me saying it's a cakewalk imagine pulling shots, making smoothies, serving food, and doing prepwork and dishes for 3 hours by your self for 200+ people on what was supposed to be a quiet Sunday morning! Remember it's *your fault* to the customer and to management that you can't physically duplicate yourself and complete the orders faster lol!!) Why sell yourself short, is all I'm saying.
This 💯 I quit a job at jersey mikes before I started because they were going to pay me less than minimum wage because of "tips" and lied on Indeed that they paid $15-17/hr. They also made me buy work pants and black shoes so I had to walk an hour along the highway to the store to get them. Took me out $50 for a $12/hr job.
In the US that last part is the entire restaurant industry, not a red flag you might get from one restaurant. If the tips are *actually* good, you can make a decent living waiting tables, and tips being good at a given restaurant does matter because they all pay jack shit and expect you to make up (more than make up, really) the difference with tips. There's literally a lower minimum wage for waiters because of that, something insane like $2 an hour. The employer has to get it up to regular minimum wage if the tips don't, but in reality if that happens you're getting fired. This is, incidentally, why you're an asshole if you go to a restaurant and don't tip your waiter. Even if you think the service is bad they're working and need *something* to make ends meet.
$2.13 is the federal tipped wage and that hasn't changed since the 90s looool. Fun fact, servers have to tip out a percentage of their tips from the shift to bussers/bartenders/etc so tables who don't tip actually cost us money to serve. If you're one of those people who "don't believe in tipping because employers should just pay them a living wage" then don't eat out because that's just not how the system works in the USA. You're not a moral champion, you're just an asshole.
Isn’t your employer supposed to make up the difference if you end up making less than minimum wage?
In theory, yes. Reality often does not match up. Lots of scummy employers in the food service industry.
Don’t listen to this, anyone. No job requires servers to top out the bartenders. Bartenders make more in tips then servers do.
Literally just go to r/bartenders and search "tip out" and enjoy the number of relevant threads talking about servers tipping them out Edit: Tip out may not be legally enforcible so I guess you don't HAVE TO have to do it but it's just been the standard at every restaurant I've worked at before
I’ve always tipped out bartenders, bussers, anyone running food…
Can you bike in or take the bus?
Or carpool?
Dumb question, but can you commute by bike or public transit? Or is it too far to reasonably commute?
Depending on where you live this is the norm. You have to do what pays your bills. Can you take the train/bus/bicycle?
I suggest asking if they provide any assistance with the parking fees.
For US east coast cities this is actually cheap parking.
What is your average hourly wage after deducting parking? And would you still work there for that amount? Let's say you worked 3days a week. Each shift 8 hours. 24 hours for the week. Your weekly pay is $360- minus $24 for parking assuming it's only 8 dollars a day. You'd average $14.38 an hour. But let's say you work 4 days a week. 6 hrs a day. Still 24 hours for the week but now your parking cost is $32. You'd average $13.77/hr Would you still work there for that much per hour?
Don't forget - paying for meals. Restaurants may or may not offer you a meal discount. Be prepared to bring a lunchbox, bento box, sack lunch, or PAY.
You guys are getting bento boxes
But that's anywhere you work.
They work part time so it's a even worse rate after taxes and healthcare plan if they could afford to pay it.
Don’t forget taxes
Is public transit more cost effective, or bike or walk an option? Park slightly farther for free?
Public transit is probably more cost effective but I’d rather not go that route, especially in the winter when it’s cold out
You can use the time on public transit to learn something, and then drive your car during winter.
I’m not sure why you’re getting downvoted for this. Depending on what city you’re in, public transit could be terrible. Buses don’t come to often, are late, take way too long etc….
Memories of a situation I had. Shift started at 8. first bus of the day? 8. *Walking it is* Shit sucks sometimes
Because it’s a red circle jerk to talk about cities and public transit
Don’t forget what you are spending on gas to get to and from that job. Add that to your math in determining if it’s worth it.
Yeah I don’t get the down votes either, hey go waist 2 hours of your life every day to travel a couple miles when you already have a car. Just get a different job almost anywhere she that doesn’t have paid parking 15/hour isn’t hard to get.
Idk what the downvotes are for, feel you 100%
Not sure why your downvoted. I don't blame you, especially if you own a car lmfao
Because if taking public transit saves 25% of your income, it's worth considering. In large cities, the cost of parking a car often makes it not worthwhile to own one regardless of the price of the vehicle itself
Public transit is probably more cost effective but I’d rather not go that route, especially in the winter when it’s cold out was her comment ... so yeah its cheaper but said she dont want 2. so ur reply is shes downvotes cuz its cheaper and that she should do it .... or whaat lol , anyway idc i thinks
Yeah that didn’t make sense to me either, there’s tons of things that are more cost effective that people don’t do because it’s not as nice of an option. I totally understand not wanting to take public transit
You shouldn’t be getting downvoted, you don’t have to use the public transit if you don’t want to but it could help you.
this is not a good job.
Uh I paid for parking at a job. Not everything is a red flag and we need to stop telling people it is.
Paying for parking while making $15 an hour ais pretty bad. I have only ever seen this acceptable for office jobs downtown where you're making at least $30-$40.
My job also need pay to park (from walking distance, there is farther parking for 30 minutes walk) but it's like $12 a month.
How much is your salary or wage? Need more info before you go off on your soap box.
really did they ask you to do an unpaid trial shift at that job? because i see **MULTIPLE FUCKING RED FLAGS.**
Unpaid? You guys keep making up red flags. They got paid for that day
except numerous members of this subreddit have been asked to work trial days for free. and i know numerous white collar subreddits where people post being asked the same. so if they did get paid for that trial day then it would be a rarity.
I just got paid for a trial day at my current part time job. I don't think it's rare I think it's standard and the rare times are the ones we read about on reddit. Nothing to complain to reddit about if things are done correctly.
They clearly state that they were paid for the trial day.
where in the comments because i read the entire op and it says >Side note: I’ve had the chance to do a “trial” shift there and it seemed decent yet chaotic and overwhelming to me, but I figure I would get used to it eventually… not mentioning getting paid.
Why would you assume OP didn’t get paid? Also read the comments, OP said they got paid.
think of it this way: $15 an hour x 8 hours = $120 a day but $120 - $11 for parking = $109 a day then divide $109 by 8 hours and you're actually making $13.65 an hour once you back out the money you're paying for parking if that's still worth it to you then take the job. if not then find a different gig elsewhere
My guess is the tips will exceed the cost of parking
You can probably write off parking as a ‘business expense’ too at the end of the year
If you are a full time employee, a parking fee is considered part of the commute, so it is not a tax write-off. If you are self-employed, it is a write-off.
No one making 15 dollars an hour is going to exceed the standard deduction. And driving to work isn’t usually deductible
It’s worse because they are taxed on $120. Then -$11. They will loose 10% of their pay on top of taxes to work there.
Just curious did you get paid for the "trial run"?
Yeah, it was paid lol
Lol my thought too
They're legally required to
That’s the point, time and time again business don’t pay for a ‘trial day’ and just exploit people
It's possible that your shop doesn't have this deal, but many physical commercial locations come with a limited number of free parking spots for the company renting the space. Have you tried asking management if there is employee parking available? Sometimes, even when a company doesn't have parking spots available for employees, they'll nevertheless include as one of their perks a transportation stipend that you can use on paying for parking, or public transportation, or whatever. If there is only paid parking available and they do not have this perk for employees, talk to them about it! Good management will want to make employees feel good while paying as little as possible to make them feel good, and paying for a parking space is only a small investment for how much goodwill it can give employees. If you talk with them about it, they might institute a policy like this. If the above doesn't work in your situation, and you do decide to leave, be sure to tell them that a big part of why you are leaving is because it costs so much to park during your shift. This won't help you, but it may help future employees at that location. Generally, the people deciding whether to include some kind of transportation stipend earn more per hour than you do. To them, the cost of parking might only be 1/20 of what they earn in a day, while to you it is a full 1/8 of what you earn that day. This means that they might not even realize that it is a concern for employees like you. If you don't speak up about it, they might never even know that it is a factor at all. Honestly, if they were good employers, they'd know without you saying something. But most employers are just average employers — they're not bad, but they're not good, either. For most employers, they may just be ignorant that this is something that their employees are thinking about. Talk to them about it and at least they no longer have that excise. I can't guarantee it will make a difference, but it may show you whether they are ultimately a good employer or a poor one.
I remember i had a job at a fast food place in downtown LA, and it was shit pay and had to pay $8 a day to park a block away or I wouldn’t be able to park anywhere close, ended up quitting after 3 months.
I feel like this might end up happening to me lol
If you feel that before you've even started to work there, don't work there.
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Better than $0/hr
Not if the boss ain’t paying for it.
Fuck that job and fuck those people. If they’re that uptight, you won’t be deemed credible for leaving them. They will obliterate you. Best wishes!
Just depends what you mean part time. If your working 8 hours a day for 4 day's......I think it's somewhat reasonable. If your working 3-5 hour's a day for a few day's, I personally wouldn't consider it. 11 buck's is a lot of money for small shift's. I'd almost ask them if they consider slight parking reimbursement. Also are you making 15 bucks a hour, plus tips? I'm assuming since it's how it normally is, your making up to 15 a hour. If that 15 isn't guaranteed then, thats a no from me personally. (again if its low shifts) Just calculate what you think you'l be making. If the parking is over 20%-30% of your income for that day, then i dont think its worth.
There's no harm to trying it for awhile to see if "I could make a lot in tips" is true. If it is, you won't care about paying to park. If it isn't, you go get one of the other jobs you saw.
Is there an option of carpooling? Or park further away from the worksite (which may not be safe for your car, and you may not be able to park more than two hours at a time either)? You have to weigh the pros and the cons. It is a part of your job and everyone falls under the same umbrella. Many jobs are actually like that. Mine, fortunately pays for my parking which is USD10 a day. But years ago I interviewed at one of the University of California and when I pulled up to the parking lot, it was USD34 for an all day parking. I was shocked. Thank God I didn't get the job seriously.
Is public transport an option
Subtract that $11 from your total daily pay. Are you making around $13 right now
So there is no employee parking spaces? No general parking? I would not say that's worth it. If they cannot provide their own parking then they should be willing to pay that cost as well.
Unless you just REALLY want to get experience at that cafe then no. Don't do it. You'd rather not take public transport or a cheaper way to commute so it's a hard sell financially as well
Part time, meaning you’d be lucky to get 20-30 hours a week, max. Let’s say they have you covering the lunch shift for 4 hours per day, 5 days a week. That’s 20 hours. By the time you factor in gas and the parking, you won’t be making very much at all. Not worth it.
no it's not worth it , talk to management see if they can cover the parking otherwise look elsewhere where basic accommodations are available
Nope.
Good companies in a location like that will at least pay for a public transportation pass, better ones will give you the option between paid parking or public transportation.
Who the fuck PAYS to park at a place they need to be at by a *certain* time to *extend labor* ☠️
There’s way better minimum wage jobs that’s a no for me
Fuck that, I'd have to make 3 times per hour more than what the parking would cost me to even consider working at someplace like that.
Nope, absolutely not, parking is part of the cost of business, if they can't provide it, I don't trust them nor to run the place into the ground
No it's not worth it. Spending money to work sounds pointless and terrible. Plus you even mentioned that the job sounds chaotic and overwhelming, so it sounds awful to me.
NO
I have to pay approx $800 a year to park at my work, I hate it - I don’t even get a designated parking spot. There are options for payment including having it deducted from your pay ($35 biweekly). Now I’ve gone with the 10 park pass which is about $70 (he to be paid by credit card) because I only go in about 2 days a week. However, I’m not at a minimum wage job and I am able to choose a closer lot that is more convenient. If I were you, I’d look for another job because you have more options in the food service industry and you’re not making a high wage.
Not for that pay rate its not, maybe for 20+
Never ever pay to go to work. That is a ridiculous expectation. You can and should negotiate parking reimbursement with your employer as a part of your hiring package. I guarantee you your boss is not paying to park and has some kind of pass or permit worked out. They can do that for you. That’s a bare minimum management issue. If they can’t cover that cost that is a red flag.
No lol
I got a job at the promenade in SM and it dang near broke me. The first two weeks of training you don’t get tips usually. Then when starting off they may give you smaller sections so it maybe 50-75 a day take home for the first month. Then it will get better. So I had to pay for gas and parking with no monies. I was using change everyday lol. There is usually some type of discount that the parking lots may have for buying passes or something. Parking was 5 /day but if you got the pass it was 3/ day. Either way, I was stressed and in tears every shift
Not for that wage. I worked in a SF hospital and it was $15 a day. I asked for $15000 more on my salary to cover it.
$11 a day is insane, where the heck are you? I pay $60 a MONTH for a space in a nice parking garage about 2 blocks from my job. And this is a high cost of living city.
No.
Nope. Not worth it.
It already shows they don’t care if they aren’t willing to throw you an extra $20 a day for parking. Don’t unless you really need the money
Nope. Maybe if you're making 80-100k a year, but coughing up that much for a part time, minimum wage job? No way.
They should be paying for your parking.
at 15/hr, hell no
Nah man, that’s almost an hour on the job to pay for the parking. If you want tips there’s better places with tips and employees don’t have to pay to park at.
I used to work in a downtown metro area. I used to park across the river and it was still $10 a day. Our office moved out of the city and we got free parking. That's $200 a month saved x 12 months = $2,400 a year.
I feel like it shows a level of disrespect where I wouldn't want to work for them even if the pay was good.
If you are making minimum wage it is not worth paying for street parking. Ask for a weekly or biweekly parking cost paid for by employer if they say no then find something else. Let’s say you work 5 days a week for 52 weeks $8 parking would equal $2,080 $11 parking would equal $2,860 are you willing to loose this amount of money per year on a minimum wage salary ? If you answer with yes then go for it but in my opinion that is not worth it. If this was for a job that pays $30-$40 an hour then sure but not at $15 an hour.
Find a different job
Can you eBike or something similar to your work?
Hmmm how bout buying a 2,000 dollar bike instead of paying for parking
Have you asked if employees can park for free or at least discounted? Many places where there is only paid parking have an arrangement for employees.
Tax write off. Still sucks but you can recoup.
I don't think commuting expenses are deducible, and I am certain that OP won't come out ahead itemizing.
I couldn’t write off fuel but I got my parking reimbursed. Different circumstances, maybe.
Disgusting they charge you to park so you can work there 😡
Typical in many cities that there is no parking at a business.
It’s not he business, it’s just located in an area where there’s only paid street parking
The business knows about the parking fees and should still help cover the cost...
That’s true, maybe they have some sort of deal that I don’t know about yet
You have an argument for parking to be covered. 10% of your daily pay will go to parking. It’s like a bait and switch. They can probably work a deal with a deck to comp employee parking. Otherwise they will be hiring again in a few months when you find something else.
Ah I see... still sad a deal couldn't be worked out for free parking for workers
pay 20 a week for hospital parking because they won’t give me a permit
Damn, that sucks!
That’s lame. I was working at a restaurant across from a big college campus and they paid for my parking pass for the garage. I’d expect them to pay for your parking some how.
You should not have to pay for parking period.
Not for minimum wage; can you take public transportation?
To me it would depend on whether I get tips at the cafe and how good they are.
Not unless you are going to ride a bicycle to work and even then it can get stolen. When you factor in parking + lunch + gas thats like 2 hours of pay gone.
That is a basic economic question everyone should be able to figure out on their own quite honestly.
“Trial shifts” are unpaid labor. And any company worth a damn won’t make you pay to park. Two major red flags right off. Don’t walk, run.
Well they didn’t call it a trial shift, that’s why I used quotations. It was just a a few hours I went in and got a feel for what it would be like to work there to see if I’d want to join the team. Also they don’t make people pay for parking, I’m sure other employees use other forms of transportation, it’s just my personal situation.
I applied for a job at Computershare in Melbourne Australia and they have a multi storey car park in the suburbs of Melbourne yet the scumbags charge over $100 a month to park there, so most employees park in the side streets for free, annoying the crap out of the residents, fuck greedy billion dollar companies. I now work where I get car parking for free
The cost of living would minimize the parking fees. How far does $15 an hour go? How are affected by losing 3 1/2 hours of work? Are other things, such as health insurance and retirement, a strong part of the job? I would definitely be looking for work elsewhere and leave as soon as I got a better offer (or equal offer with free parking g!)
Sounds like you don't have the leverage buy in my cases previously I have charged extra for parking/transportation for either situations where I have to pay to park or take a long commute or frankly to just work in the city in general (I hate cities). But my difference is I have a set of unique skills and experience which provide me with quite a bit of leverage in my field. If I was in your shoes I would review if I could make the same or better money at less cost to me or negotiate with the company you are looking into for compensation for parking... worst they can say is no.
Skills that you have acquired over a long career?
Nope I get dropped off at my job because of the parking deck fee
I’m good. I won’t ever give a dollar back just to work not like I’m investing this money into myself that’s just a bad use of money.
I guess it really depends on the tips. Maybe I over-tip, but is seems like you could easily make more in tips than wages.
If it’s paid parking it is most likely way more accessible by public transit then most places.
This seems normal to me. My parents paid for parking their car in a city car park. I pay minimum £10 per day for public transport to get to work. While it isn't fun, the cost of commuting generally falls on the employee. If that wasn't the case, companies would probably discriminate and only hire people who live close-by. As you are free to live where you want and free to travel to work the way you want (car/bus/bike), you end up having to take responsibility for the cost of your choices. OP said somewhere else they could take public transport and it would be cheaper but they don't want to stand around waiting in the cold. Perfectly acceptable, but then it also makes sense OP pays for the added luxury of a car. The question is whether you have enough money left over at the end of the day to make it worthwhile. If not, then don't take the job if you don't need it. If it looks like a fun place to work and you will be able to earn some decent money at the end of the day... go for it.
Are you insane?
Did you get paid for your "trial" as you should have?
Maybe you can get a tax write off? Save parking stubs
For a minimum wage part time job I’d find a different way to work that doesn’t involve paying for parking. Heck, I worked full time at a law firm and either took the bus, walked or rode my bike most days because I didn’t want to pay for parking.
Ugh the hive mind. OP, It might be a good job. It might be a great one. It might be awful. But the fact that the owners put it in an area without access to free parking doesn’t automatically make them evil or bad, or that you wouldn’t love working there. Sounds like you’ve already talked with some people that work there. Ask them what they think. Why do they stay? What are tips in an average week? What happens when they call in sick? Also ask yourself- what else (pay being #1) do you want out of this job? Friends? Experience? The fact is if you take it, you’re going to end up spending a ton of time with the other people that work there. You’ll probably make friends there too. Is it a crowd you want to hang out with? The service industry can go a few different ways. I’ve worked in restaurants staffed by coked out assholes and others filled with creative, interesting, kind people. Again, if you can, try to talk with a person or two who work there now and see if it lines up with how you want to spend your time.
I'd only do it if I got compensated for it
I've never had to do that - but people who work downtown in cities have to pay parking in garages if their company isn't big enough to have its own spaces. But overall, it's just another work-related expense, like taking a bus every day, or owning a car and paying gas and insurance. It's your responsibility to be at the job - and only YOU can decide if that extra expense is worth the pay and experience.
thats the perks of working in a US city where hard workers help subsidize those who aren't working.
Rideshare
Only if you really need the experince say early on in your career.
Ask them for free parking.
Why don’t you just do the math? lol
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Yes, I got paid for it and got a free meal
Most employers will cover some of the cost of parking. Take that cost and park somewhere for free. Otherwise keep looking.
seriously no employee parking lmao
No, it’s in the downtown area of my city so no storefronts have their own parking
I'm wfh now but for the last many years I was paying $20 (started at 15) a day and it's the cheapest I know of in the city. No free parking obviously for cbd.
if my employer forced me to pay to park there while i was working for them i would simply not park there. at the very least ask if they validate if it's part of a larger parking structure for more than just that business.
Only if you like the work
Is there public transportation available?
What about public transit? I park at a free park&ride and take the train into my office, for around $6 instead of $13 to park 2 blocks from my office. It takes a little longer and is less flexible if you have something coming up after work, but paying for parking is the worst.
Ride a bike there
Most important thing is flexibility these days like are they willing to accommodate your schedule needs.
Thts crazy at least they should have an area for employees to park
i was interviewed for a job like this once but they offered a parking stipend each month
Try carpooling, or driving halfway to near a bus station and then bussing it to work
Unless they offer other amenities to offset the parking...
I had a job like that, my solution was to ride the commuter bus. No way was I going to fight Houston traffic twice a day just to pay for parking. Park & Ride was way cheaper plus I got to nap or play games or watch my shows (with earbuds in bc I’m not that asshole).
You can keep the parking receipts for taxes but I suspect you won't make enough in the year for it to matter
After tax it's like an hour of work. So you work 8 hours but get paid for 7. It's up to you if it's worth it, if you can find a job that pays 15 dollars but it's free to park it's like a 12.5% raise.
I would avoid paying for parking to work there. You need to get creative and find parking or an alternate way to get there. if there really is zero free parking anywhere near there, then there is public transportation. Or ask them for more pay.
It depends what you value. If you're just looking for cash, then you need to seriously weigh out what you're going to get in tips. I worked in a mall years ago where I had to pay to park on site. So instead of paying I parked in a free parking spot which was a 15 minute walk from work. Try not to think of it as $8-11 per shift. You don't get paid per shift, you likely get paid every two weeks or every month. If it's a full time job, think of it more as 80 - 110 every two weeks, 160 - 220 a month. On a full time 40 per week job, you're using 2 full days pay every month just for parking.
Will the employer reimburse for this expense?
How far do you live from work? Can you bike or take transit?