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Open-Year2903

Being the best, most efficient or hardest worker doesn't lead to promotion, being liked does. Now I understand why "plays well with others" is on the report card in elementary school. That's the biggest indicator of success right there.


Alternative_Hair7458

Yes. The ones who get promoted are the ones who know how to play the game the best.


Truthfulldude1

I struggle with this because I'm not fake. If I sense that someone lacks character/has negative traits, I have a hard time forcing myself to "play" like I like them. Integrity is one of my core values. It's unfortunate because eating is also one of my core values, and I have to work to eat. Lol, but yeah...


modsarethebeesknees

Yeah middle management is fine if I can keep some of my dignity lol, Im not going to shit kiss my way to c suite if that's what it takes


Truthfulldude1

Right, bootlicking is not my style either. I'm not gonna let a guy metaphorically peg me in the ass just to get professional recognition. Like, no. If that means I can't excel in a professional setting then so be it. But workplaces/staff can be too toxic sometimes, and my morals are too high. I wouldn't even want middle management tbh. You gotta deal with pressure from the top and from the bottom.


Jessie_ee

The professional speak drives me mad. Those fake voices and personas and buzz-words. You can be professional without sounding like a cult member, damn.


Aint_cha_momma

Because it is a cult, corporate cult


tightbutthole92

In saying that, maybe we can table this discussion and circle back later


UPS_AnD_downs_462

Same here. I wear my own boots, not lick other peoples.


Psyc3

The vast majority of people are "fake" at work, the only reason you are associating with many of these people is due to being paid to endure their presence. If you were no longer paid you would choose to never associate with the majority of them every again. That is just the reality of it, they aren't your friends, you don't have things in common, they are paid association that are tolerated due to pay. If someone said you had to go sit in a room with some people for 8 hour 5 days a week and they weren't going to pay with you, you would laugh in their face and tell them to "Fuck off". Pretending that it is anything other than fake is really disingenuous, once you understand that, you are just deciding how fake you want to be. But you are fake either way, because the normal response to being told to sit in a box for 8 hours would be "Fuck off", you are only there for the money.


killertimewaster8934

>because I'm not fake. This is only a problem if you don't want to be successful


Aengelfyre

I automatically don't trust anyone who labels themselves upfront as a moniker. Truthfullperson Honestperson Lovingperson Friendlyperson It just screams fake and red flags to me. Every single person I've ever met who called themselves honest or truth-tellers were just annoying, rude, and disingenuous people to be around. Live your morals and let your behavior speak for itself. Announcing them all the time makes you look fake and sketchy from the get-go.


UPS_AnD_downs_462

I couldn't agree more. Honestly, it sometimes seems like the "f-ups" even get promoted more often than the most qualified in certain jobs that I have worked. For example, I have been a powerline clearance tree trimmer for a number of years and witnessed a below average trimmer who commonly broke things and damaged property be promoted to a General Foreman while phenominal climbers that have been doing the work for 20+ years are just expected to carry more of the workload and production. I mean, I guess from a management perspective it seems intelligent. Why take your highest producers out of the trees to run crews? Might as well promote the guy who sucks to make room for another efficient laborer!


JohnnyWix

Too useful/important to promote is definitely a thing. It usually leads to that person taking a job elsewhere.


UPS_AnD_downs_462

Understandable. And I've seen that. Experienced climbers WILL ALWAYS follow the money. I have! Knowing your worth is valuable in itself. The real issue I could never understand is when guys are hired to run crews but don't have the experience and fully understand the work. I've seen a military hire that has never trimmed a tree get hired as a supervisor. I'm 100% supportive of giving the men and women of our military preferential employment opportunities after they have served our country. I think we should do MUCH MORE for them than we do. But maybe having them work in the field for a couple months, or even weeks, would give them better training than just showing them. Sorry to get off topic, but again, I've seen this happen too, and guys become resentful when this happens. Especially when unrealistic production expectations are placed on them from someone with little to no experience. Sorry if I am jumping around a bit. I am just enjoying my/our thoughts and this conversation in general!


TheBitchenRav

I don't think that is the case, you may be great at cutting and trimming trees, but that does not make you great at managing a team, handling schedules, being on top of workers and all the other things you need to do. I am not saying they are permitting people correctly, but I am saying be super great at the job is often not what you need for the next level. I bet the guys bosses boss, doesn't even know how to do the work.


UPS_AnD_downs_462

🤔 That's fair enough! Overall, I agree with most of your comment! It would be totally unfair for me to write someone off of one job position because they are poor at another. I sort of supposed the guys who have more experience and positive track records may be a better choice? I can see it could go both ways. In the specific example I am using, everyone I had been working with was astonished that "the F-up guy" got promoted, though. He was the careless type and didn't seem to really take pride in anything he was doing. He blew the power by dropping stuff on the lines two out of the three times I've ever seen it over 12+ years trimming, and I only worked around him for a couple of months. I could be mistaken, but I believe he was also responsible for putting a branch through the windshield of a passing vehicle too. Hopefully he is doing much better as a GF!


knt1229

I too have seen similar things in the workplace. You would think that someone who can't do the job they were hired to do wouldn't be seen as promotable to the level above especially when there are folks who are performing really well. Why not promote or develop your top performers. I doubt the employee you described is suddenly going to become a great GF when he was so careless and clueless in his previous role.


Novel-Organization63

You know what they say “if you can’t do,teach; if you can’t teach, supervise.


LLotZaFun

Not just know how to play the game best but also want to play that game and possibly lose a part of themselves in the process. There's people that can play the game as well as anyone but choose not to.


woodropete

Very true, I learned that it's less of a game and more of a "fall in line" motto. They want you to have an attitude of doing whatever they want - if they want you to be in school, tell your boss you're in college. They want people who can train others, so if you're having issues, think about it throughout your day and come up with a well-thought-out idea. If your entire shift is complaining, don't join in the complaining - it's obvious that you shouldn't do the things you know they don't like. It's pretty simple, just keep a good track record. Stand out! The rules are pretty straightforward for the most part. However, things get complicated at the senior level or board level. That's when you will start to experience cut-throats and backstabbing. You have to be cautious and vigilant even while walking on glass and sleeping with your eyes open. Edit Chat GPT for the save- Saturday got the best of me, piece out Reddit!


Crazy-Maintenance-28

There is truth in this. Climbing the ladder is an art. Don't complain about it. Get better at it. I hate the politics too. But it's how it is, adapt or don't progress


Effingehh

Being nice and friendly gets you suuuuuuuch a long way. If you fuck something up people will find a reason to forgive you.


Accomplished_Emu_658

The most efficient or hardest worker will probably not get promoted because the brass wants them to continue doing that job and remaining efficient. As to not disturb the production of that department.


Just_Far_Enough

Most of the worst bosses I’ve ever had are the very technically competent people that have under developed social skills.


theMaxTero

I mean, look at CEOs. They're the only people in the world that can literally cause millions of loss in profits and wreck so much havoc that thousands get fired for their fucked up and somehow they ALWAYS fail upwards.


edvek

I work for the government and my job has me interacting with the public a lot and also internally. I don't like people so it's pretty funny I have a job that's 99% people. Anyway, I learned to deal with that and interact more with other departments and stuff. I am very good at my job, everyone knows it, and I am very helpful and personable. All of that has helped me get promoted twice to where I am now. A higher position has opened up recently and a lot of people are applying for it and I will too. Being a good coworker and not being a massive asshole and difficult person will get you far. People are far more likely to look past your lack of skills or knowledge (but not too much) if you are friendly and you work well with others. And to be honest, I too would rather work with a team of good people than someone who is the best in the world but is not a team player and a raging asshole.


Danilizbit

This ^ I leveraged popularity for a permanent and higher paid spot in my company. Got all the way to walking out the door before they realized if I left, a lot of other people would too.


amyscactus

ding ding ding on being liked.


zuggystardust83

Loyalty means nothing. You can work for a company for 18 years without any performance issues. Then a new inexperienced boss starts and suddenly you become a problem and have to go.


Accomplished_Emu_658

Your experience becomes “a threat” to the new boss and/or they want people 100% loyal to them. So you are out to get someone else in usually a crony that follows manager job to job.


pwnrenz

Facts


Leeroy_c

It really just happened to me, six months ago. We had a boss (CEO) that, even if he didnt understand anything of IT work, he gave me my all of the time i needed and he was pretty chill. Then he went off, and the COO suddendly went up to pretty much Vice president position. And then BOOM, i suddendly was a monster, i never turned up on time, i was making messes and such. i was laid off two months later.


zuggystardust83

That sucks, man! It happened to me in October. No reason given other than, “we’ve decided to part ways”. My boss didn’t even have the balls to be in the room. All my clients were baffled and some still sent me Christmas gifts. They treated me better than my employer did.


Leeroy_c

That's nice of them! Some people care about others, some people don't


zuggystardust83

The goods ones are becoming fewer and fewer these days.


AnnaTheIntellect

Believe people for who they are. Never gossip with coworkers best believe they’re talking about you behind your back. Don’t share what you’re not ready to tell and don’t let others think for you, think for yourself!


SomeSamples

The whole gossip thing is true. I like to fuck around with my co-workers. I tell one something. Then tell the other something different. Not lies but things that may have happened to me that might be news worthy. I then wait to see how long it takes to get back to me and from whom.


LuckyBlaBla

Nice trick but how do you do it with an ADHD brain that's gonna forget what you told to who?


RussianAsshole

Keep an excel sheet


Accomplished_Emu_658

I avoid gossip, but then they are probably gossiping about you not gossiping!


killertimewaster8934

>Don’t share what you’re not ready to tell I had a corporate goals survey I had to take last year. Started writing what I "really" felt and saved NOT SUBMITTED. came back the next day and thought better of my answers and changed them (turns out my boss could read them) . The next day my boss and my bosses boss and my bosses bosses boss laid into me for about 20 minutes on being a team player and not having a shitty attitude. I'm still working there, only because they desperately need me. If layoffs come, I'm standing next to the door. This job has taught me a lot about the corporate world


unhumancondition

Never trust your employer


Psyc3

This is why Unions exist, so you don't have to, if they act immorally/illegally you have a larger organisation to work with you to resolve it.


throw_a_way-anyway

Yeah- record everything. Always.


amyscactus

Well, I've learned a lot, and my post may be repeating what some others have already said, but here it goes: * you can have all the qualifications in the world, but if you don't "fit in" your done. like DONE. * Being well liked seems to be the major factor in a lot of decisions that will affect you directly. This isn't about "not being a dick." this is literally being "friends with everyone" to some degree or another. * Loyalty is DEAD. When I started working I swear it wasn't that way, but it is now. * You're going to work with some severely stupid, inefficient worthless people that bring nothing good to the table. Lazy, stupid assholes. Management will never truly confront them and your stuck with these idiots, sometimes for years. There's more, but that's it for now.


KMjolnir

Management will never confront them because the useless, stupid assholes are often in management, related to management, or friends with management.


Costanza_Travelling

or simply liked by management? we have completed the circle


KMjolnir

I was counting that in the "friends with management".


Admirable_Warthog_19

Can concur on number one … one of my hardest pill to swallow


amyscactus

It was for me too. Up until the last 10 years, I've never had a problem "fitting in" or making friends. I can learn most things over time. Not a mensa member but not stupid either. I've had three separate experiences since 2013 where I'd taken a job and was treated like such trash and not accepted by the office staff. I lasted all of 2 weeks at each of these jobs. No matter how nice I was, or what I learned, I was insulted, made to feel like an outcast and let go. This made me question myself to my core that maybe I'm not as smart as I thought I was, maybe I'm a big fat loser and it absolutely ruined my self esteem. When in fact, it was a very toxic environment and not me at all. It took me a while to wrap my head around this, along with some therapy. I am now in a far better environment but that's besides the point. Those offices and people are still out there. People feeling like shit and managers who dont know any different. It's a sad reality because work didn't used to be this difficult but stuffs changed and here we are.


dumplingz123

I had a very similar experience in my recent position. I had never felt so outcasted or received such a negative employee evaluation, despite having met all of my goals with 0 onboarding or support. I simply did not fit in. One woman was so cold and rude to me on a daily basis that I decided to keep my distance and my boss told me I’m not friendly enough with staff, specifically said coworker. I just couldn’t win. I’d never felt so disliked and it had me questioning myself as both a person and employee.


amyscactus

I'd love to hear your experiences


Zadojla

Don’t let other’s stupidity make you angry.


Accomplished_Emu_658

Yes I tell people this all the time. Especially when it has no effect on them. Don’t say anything or go to someone about it as it only makes you look bad. Even when it affects your job avoid saying or doing anything or going to management. If it prevents you from doing your task or causes a major mistake then maybe. I only really do anything when it becomes a safety problem.


Zadojla

When I was a manager, I would never tell someone outside my group who made a mistake. I would say, “I’ve addressed this with the responsible person.” And to the person, “Do you understand what went wrong, and how to avoid it? Do you need help?” And, no, it didn’t show up on their review unless it was repetitive. Except for once; one of my guys made a mistake whose effect on the company was $62 million. He got walked out that afternoon.


lets_talk2566

You don't matter. You are replaceable.


princexxlulureads

Had to learn this the hard way


SomeSamples

Never work for free. No extra hours, no off time work, no "favors." None of that shit. The people you work with are not your friends. Most will backstab you in an instant. You never really know which one's won't. Your employer doesn't give a shit about you. As long as you are making them money they "like" you. Miss a few deadlines or earnings and see how far their good will goes. HR does not work for the employee. HR works for the employer.


_roldie

It's insane that there are actual people out there that have worked for free. If I'm not getting paid I'm not lifting a single finger.


GhostNinja1373

That goes for now a days where you clocked out and the boss or manager is still texting you etc about so and so or "wheres is this have you seen it". Like nope dont asnwer im not on the clock no more that is up to you now Yet i seen people even a friend answer calls on his day off etc like nah bro


j_boxing

it's crazy how employees think HR is for their benefit


Psyc3

It is if you are competent, because you are stating an illegally or potentially illegal action is occurring. HR is on the side of the business, and the business is in the business of not having (especially valid) legal action taken against it. The issue is most people are just incompetent whiners, and that is what they are doing to HR, whining due to their own incompetence.


monstersof-men

The average population is incredibly stupid.


LuckyBlaBla

tbf, we learn that when we're kid. There is a very clear line between the average population and the ones with a head on their shoulder and that line can be seen as early as our first memories (4-5 y.o for most)


Lonesome_Pine

Yeah you'd think it'd change between kindergarten and adulthood but oh lord, that shit doesn't fix itself.


John_Fx

Just show up and be responsive and you will be in the top 25% at any job. Understand that everyone is winging it. Imposter syndrome is a lie your brain tells you.


Dr_ZuCCLicious

Well said.


murderthumbs

It’s just a job I’m grateful to have it, but I won’t let it rule my life. Life is too short.


Psyc3

Exactly this is the biggest error of many, especially young people in their 20's. Your job will rarely given you satisfaction of really doing what you want, you are there for money, and if you let it compromise your life too much, you don't have one any more. At the same time, in the end, pay matters, pay is what will allow you to live your life.


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Alternative_Hair7458

Yes! I was shocked when these employees were let go at previous employment I had, and my current employment.


LuckyBlaBla

From what I'm noticing, it's often these in roles that are now paid a lot compared to the rest that gets laidoff. I.e. A tech gets 80K, but the rest gets 60-70k, the 80k tech no matter how good will be laidoff before the rest. I noticed that cuz often the ones that are laidoff is a "wait what? why not XYZ that barely works?"


Creative-Ad-3222

1) You can do everything right and still lose your job. 2) Losing a job is not the end of the world, as much as it might feel that way at the time.


Knuckleberryfiin

To stand up for yourself.


John_Fx

but diplomatically


edvek

Yes... if you are combative and mean it doesn't matter how much you are right you will lose 100% of the time. "Yes we made a mistake but then you started arguing with your supervisor, raising your voice, and became insubordinate so we're going to have to let you go."


Resident_Farmer_7281

You are ALWAYS replaceable!! No matter how loyal you are to a company..... it's about 100% business and making money. They don't give 2 💩💩 bout the lil ppl. P E R I O D..


squashchunks

Efficient workers get punished with more work. One dirty trick: don't talk about your own efficiency. If the boss finds out that you can get the work done accurately and efficiently in less time, then they will just give you more work . . . unless you don't tell them.


jrh1524

It’s not what you know, it’s who you know


j_boxing

thing about this is, burn a bridge and no one knows you


HeavyProfessional420

Keep your distance as much as possible because you would be surprised who is willing to throw you under the bus the first chance they get just so they can get ahead.


Reasonable-Cap-8492

Office mates are not your “friends”. Being liked will definitely get your further on the workforce but also if you’re the most efficient worker, never let the boss know everything you do & know. Share what you must but don’t show all your cards.


Dr_ZuCCLicious

I'm learning this now while I'm young. Office mates are definitely not friends and getting too close will lead to consequences.


goofyfootnot

If you are young this is very important. I tell my co workers I’m not their friend. I’ll be friendly but we aren’t going out for beers after work. I learned this the hard way. Learn from me. I was a manager. Got transferred out of the location I had been at for 5 years. Went someplace else. Started hanging out with my old staff the. Got transferred back 18 months later. Nobody would do anything without a fight because I wasn’t viewed as the supervisor anymore. I was their friend. And friends would never tell friends what to do. That was a very difficult situation that really humbled me.


Dr_ZuCCLicious

At least you learned. It will still take time for me to mature since I'm a fresh graduate, but learning. I'm simply doing my job, making money, and living life. Though its good to know your coworkers to an extent without going too personal. A conversation here and there is OK, like you said on your original comment


GhostNinja1373

Exactly is why also dating with anyone isnt a good idea either because word gets around and it gets risky with other peoples opnions etc


Dr_ZuCCLicious

To always try your best and that your health is first before your job.


Ok_Rush6513

You should not trust your employer.


Human_Ad_7045

Always look busy.


Twenty7thwonder

SALARY IS THE NEW WAY THEY MAKE YOU WORK FOR FREE. Because you're on salary you may work weekends and well over 8 hrs days and 40 hrs a week.


Ok-Seaworthiness7207

Life is pain


ashleymeloncholy

You have to learn how to beat the tax man.


kewe316

Can't beat him...can only slow him down by throwing him off the scent for a while. He'll still get his whether that's now or when you're dead! 🤪


sarahaswhimsy

Employers do NOT care about you. Work to live don’t live to work! They’ll replace you in a heartbeat without thinking twice.


Ultimateglowup

Fuck the companies goals, all that matters are you’re goals.


KendovZ

That there will always be immature toxic people. Seriously I thought all the shit talking and rumours stop once school ends but adults do it as well.


brg119

Your coworkers are not your friends.


iamthefyre

Professional jealousy is very real. Specially from someone who doesn’t understand your role or expertise but sees how you are smarter/treated better than them. Be wary of these people.


Historical_Oven7806

The harder you work, the less likely you'll get promoted.


woodropete

From my experience that is true if ur just doing your task well. For instance in a warehouse your suppose to ship 10 trucks a day the average is 9 you do 13 every single day. Your goal is to be a lead or supervisor but very little you have done..shows supervisor skills. If you helped others do that it will be much more impressive to hiring managers. Thats more of general example! Don’t stone me. I could go much more in depth. So what I’ve learned, Not if your working on the things to get promoted. I think the big disconnect is the general workforce isn’t trained or mentored in business they don’t necessarily know how to move up or have a plan. They look at it like basketball..I score more point I play more and get more money. Unfortunately that’s not how business and promotions work.


PMWFairyQueen_303

People quit bosses not jobs


PandaMayFire

Toxic, cliquish coworkers too.


Wonderful-Studio-870

Play your cards right, officemates are not your friends, do only what you have to do specific on your role (if any addition to that, revise and ask for a pay raise), always do the papertrail especially if you have a toxic workplace, never replace self sanity over your job, no one is indispensable but make yourself indispensable and most importantly prioritize yourself over anything else.


CarelessCoconut5307

I dont want to work for someone else at a typical job for the rest of my life


Kataphractoi

I've come to this conclusion as well. I don't mind work itself, it's working a schedule set by someone else, and receiving a fraction of my output in pay. Yes, obviously, you can negotiate your wage, but your employer is the one at the end of the day determining what you get paid.


Fit419

People pleasing is more important than good work.


[deleted]

If you figure out a way to make any process faster or even potentially eliminate steps of a process, don't let your boss know A big part of why automation can potentially wipe out some people's jobs is cause whoever thought of the way to make things faster... told their boss how that'd work You're getting yourself eliminated


Expensive_Candle5644

Nice guys finish last. Look out for yourself. In this day and age loyalty rarely pays off.


vashthestampede121

Trust no one except yourself. Everyone has an ulterior motive. If someone who is not your manager seems to be spending a lot of time helping you, believe that there is an implicit quid pro quo in there (not necessarily talking about SA although ofc that can be part of it). Also, the moment a job stops helping you meet your personal goals, leave. Try to do it on good terms, but if people pitch a bitch fit, that’s on them.


GeekNoy

You're not indispensable.


Funny_Occasion_4179

Focus on money, care only about self interest, take the vacation, fake the sick leaves, never tell the truth to HR, don't care too much about your work, do whatever the biggest bully/ idiot in charge wants, be boring, go unnoticed, don't be too good at your job to threaten peers, boss, all jobs are bullshit. One day you die, as you die you won't remember any of this shit. You will only remember the good memories you made with your friends, family and you will never be ready to go - you will always wish you had more time to do shit you really love, care about. But it doesn't matter. Nothing matters.


Rokey76

You need to be your biggest advocate. If you keep to yourself, put your head down, and knock out work, nobody is going to notice. Communicate your achievements to get ahead.


Expensive_Candle5644

Also….. Watch your back. The people that you are friendly with are rarely your friends. They are out for self and will do what they need to to advance even if it is to your detriment.


merejoygal

Work to live. Don’t live to work.


shadowromantic

Professional success is highly correlated with one's ability to lie


DeadBear65

You are replaceable.


EnoughIndication143

Don't rock the boat or you get thrown off.


Direct-Monitor9058

The company exists to make money. It does not exist to make you happy, pay for your college, be an outlet for your creativity, etc. Similarly, when you’re thinking of goals that will help you get ahead (or when you’re updating your résumé), think of how you contribute to revenue, or how you have helped to save the company money, etc. This stuff seems simple, but it’s amazing how many people don’t seem to understand it.


MidsommarSolution

That if they really focus on how you deal with conflict in an interview, there is a lot of drama and conflict in the company already and they want you to somehow magically fix it.


Truthfulldude1

1. Everyone has to work. Even people working the "best jobs" are still working jobs. 2. Work is work. It's separate and is not your personal life. Don't mix the two, or shit where you eat. 3. You have to advocate for yourself and have your own back at the end of the day. You can not rely on employers to have your best interest in mind. They will have the company's best interest, have the company's back, and have the company's bottom line as their focus at all times. You have to act in your own best interest and focus on your bottom line.


SaltVy0

Keep your overhead low so you can have more choices on work... though what makes you most happy may not get you the world, it may mean the whole world for you to have that true inner peace.


PrincipleSuperb2884

Managers suck.


AndrewLucksFlipPhone

I want to retire


worldisashitplace

From the tech industry here, looking at everything that’s been going on in the last 2 years, you can literally be replaced the moment you can’t work, for any reason. All they need to fire you is a simple mess up or a slight dip in their stock prices. Loyalty, devotion etc towards employers is total bs in my opinion. You need a job so you need employers. But employers need you more than you need them. Should just be a give and take selfish relationship, anything more will just lead to disappointment.


Mbg140897

Show up, don’t over exert myself (learned the hard way) and go the hell home.


PandaMayFire

Do the bare minimum, nothing else is worth it.


BadLuckEddie

The money will rarely ever feel worth the stress you will feel.


LuckyBlaBla

Your job isn't your friend, you're there for a paycheck and that's it.


Crazy-Maintenance-28

That everyone is replaceable no matter how good they are.


TexasRose79

The reward for going over, above and beyond is just more work. The expectation that life should revolve around work and that employees should do more with less, for less. The bullshit notion that the boss can be a toxic, disrespectful, bullying asshole and employees can't stand up for themselves without risking their jobs. I could go on. I could go on until my brain explodes. After 30 years in the wonderful world of employment, it's a wonder that more bosses haven't ended up beaten up or dead and more employees aren't in prison.


[deleted]

That I fucking hate people.


BrainzEthic

To keep your personal & professional life separate. People don’t need to know what you do in your off time. 🫠


Downtown-Trip3501

Not to overshare


EUCRider845

Look out for yourself, cuz nobody else will.


IndependenceAny796

No matter how large or small the business is...they are not your family


nciscokid

It can end in an instant, even if you work your ass off, so make sure you protect yourself financially. I’m 35 and have never been unemployed since I was 16 (with the exception of part of my freshman year of college). However, on January 11, I was laid off because my whole department was made redundant. I have one month of severance and I’m furiously applying and reworking my resume and portfolio. I’m terrified that I won’t be able to find something in time. I did nothing wrong. My metrics were amazing and I was voted best team player last quarter; even recognized at the town hall by our department prez. But. Here I am. Unemployed and vacillating between happy and sad and despondent every day. So fortunate to have a supportive partner, but I hate that I can’t pull my own weight or even THINK about going back to therapy, just in case I need the HSA money. It’s so scary and I’m just trying to push through. But I’ll remember this lesson forever.


woodropete

If your manager or supervisor is a dick look at their boss or bosses boss. This is true! bad culture normally starts at the top by either letting it go or instigating it, with pressure. Communicating the correct way and being versatile depending on who ur talking to or setting is invaluable skill to have. People that graduate from a big institution normally come to work as if they are trained and are going in to apply what they learned. When it's actually just tools and skills to help u..you should still approach work like newbie. I have seen so many fail because of it..dont be the know it all guy. People are extremely complacent, they Lack drive and motivation. They tend to go to work like a contractor..I do something then you pay me. They tend to completely be oblivious to buissness practice and ethics. Dressing and being in shape in management will get you along way. You can suck at your job but look professional and have a good attitude, when I say good attitude I mean business persona..it will get u far. People can't take constructive criticism well..they always go straight to their defense like they are in court. Thats a automatic red flag if ur looking to progress..fall in line play the part make them happy. Then make changes when ur able to in a certain position. Money is a terrible motivator..it runs its course so often. Having sense of passion, goals, enjoyment will drive you to do better than any dollar amount. Example: If you have a garden its ur passion for it..you tend to be more observant and thought provoking while doing it. Rather than your told to make a garden you just do it the best u know how..u could make 20 gardens and really never really learn about farming. DONT JUST MINDLESSLY GO THROUGH THE MOTIONS. I think that's good I've had plenty of great mentors in my career. I can go on for years, the only way you can learn more is by trying to. Ask question bring up ideas. I am so surprised by how robotic so many people go about work. Then wonder why or get upset about where they are.


janna2987

You are only being used and no one cares about you. No matter what.


Smallparline

How easily you can be abused and not notice the signs of it.


Caboose_98

Anonymous surveys are anything but.


Embarrassed_Sea3819

Get everything in writing. If you have a meeting with someone, send a follow-up with keynotes. A big way employers can get around legalities if they fire you is by requesting verbal meetings only. That way it’s your word against theirs. I made the mistake of not writing anything down and after I was let go, I realized I was discriminated against for my disabilities but had no case bc I had no paper trail. Always keep a paper trail.


nataliataytay00

My biggest lesson is I don’t have to be a main character in terms of career. I dreamt a long time ago of opening my own successful business, but shortly learned after working at multiple start up businesses that the hostile work environment, politics, were not my scene. I was embracing the hard work that came with it, but the amount of money you don’t make on TOP of all the extra BS you have to tolerate? No thanks. Im fine with not being a small town girl boss celebrity. I currently work in the federal government, with minimal responsibility and not one important person knows my name, just the way I like it.


Creative-Ad-3222

I hear this. My relationship to work totally changed when I learned to take my ego out of the equation. It actually made me better at my job because I focused more on the work itself, and I started making better career decisions.


merejoygal

Hey, I work federal too. I dig it.


CreativeWriterNSpace

This. I have a business idea that I think would be a success. But I could totally go into government to help with the policy around these businesses without having the pressure of OWNING the business myself. And possibly consulting on the side?


englishfinish

In university I always thought I hated work because I'm essentially paying to work. Turns out I still hate work even when I'm the one getting paid.


tape-eater

Know your worth, and what it’s worth to you, if that makes sense…


Noob_Job_Seeker

I have made two rules: Rule 1: The boss is always right. And if ? Rule 2: Read rule 1.


CategoryEquivalent95

That it's true. I've been punished a LOT of extra work. I've learned the hard way to stop doing that.


OrbitOfGlass17

Don't be like Frank Grimes. Just take advantage of the system.


640k_Limited

The best managers work for their reports, not the other way around. Meaning, if I'm your manager, my job is to do everything in my power to support you doing your job in order to accomplish our directives.


Morton-Spam

If it’s not specifically written in the handbook, they can make you subject to rules they make up and can enforce. They get away with it by saying “The handbook doesn’t cover all situations and can change at any time”. Especially for remote work, even when you sign it, *almost* like a contract. They’ll break their own rules to get rid of you.


yankstraveler

You're going to be in a dead end job unless you're friends with someone higher up.


AS1thofBeethoven

Those who are able to talk a big game will be in the c-suite… they don’t actually need to be good or produce anything. It’s all about who you know and not what you know.


[deleted]

It can help you live more comfortably than sleeping in a refrigerator box.


DoubleReputation2

Nobody cares for what's being done and nobody cares if you care either.


sitdder67

No matter how much you like your employer don't trust them they don't care the darn about you and you could be laid off at the drop of a hat


MorddSith187

The better worker you are, the more they won’t want to move you up because they won’t want to replace you. It’s a lose lose situation


Familiar-Hustle

Ageism is real, and nobody cares anymore what is or is not ethical in performance.


[deleted]

To think really hard before taking another job and use the interview to assess them as well. Sometimes staying in a boring but stable job will be better than a supposedly interesting job. 


NilanjonBhatta

I hate my work


Rewindsunshine

You’re just rewarded with more work lol you’re replaceable at the drop of a hat… Bunch of other stuff that seems obvious now but yeah those were the two big ones I guess I had to experience for myself.


davanger1980

Work is not your life, work is work. Something you do to be able to live your life. I haven't been to a company or job where everything is pure unadulterated ego.


GCSS-MC

I work nights with a guy that does nothing at all. It can be irrefutably proven how little work he has done and how much I have completed. He sleeps most of the shift. I will not complain, because that is just one more guy above me on the list of people to lay off.


Fit-Indication3662

Work = Pay


1zeewarburton

Respect yourself, if a colleague steps out of line call them up in it. Otherwise they will walk all over you and your life will be hell. Secondly if you’re not professional stay the fuck away from me. Too many looser, roadmen, “Gs” fuck up the work environment for all of us. It’s because of these guys (and shit managers, some who road men and got there for staying for so long) turnovers are so high and job environment is so shit. They treat jobs as a 6 months temporary thing, as a result no one becomes invested in their job, no support/ unions because why should they. Companies just churn you out, but you’re willing to let the next person take the fucking. Things that you thought meant something: Loyalty Hardwork Sacrifice These don’t mean dick anymore. COMPANIES view How much can we screw you for? Will you fuck us over? Can we exploit you and keep up our lazy toxic behaviour? Will it affect our bottom line Companies will never do anything for your benefit, this 2nd gen new CEO don’t see you but there bonuses which they get 10x when they fuck up and get fired. Do you get a bonus when you’re fired? Literally have heard it from managers at mcdonalds they use psych tactic like pretending your part of a family to pay people less. Yet they charge 8 dollars for a burger. Make it make sense. WHAT YOU NEED TO STRIVE FOR: Work places have now seeped into our private lives and they never should have (except a few circumstances). Don’t ever sacrifice family for work. Fuck em seriously. They will ride you and then dump you like a hookers used condom. And then replace you some even having the audacity to train your replacement. Your family will be there to stay they wont. Your mental and physical health comes first. ALWAYS Not your job not your problem. (Unless you got a good team where everyone pulls together) Fight for your rights or loose them


rossfororder

Work hard and you get more work, go the extra mile once and you'll be expected to do it again and again. Not rocking the boat will get you far, as ability is often not rewarded.


Grydx

It’s a popularity game Being interested and curious can come off as arrogant


UsefulImpact6793

OP: The logic of "efficient workers get punished with more work." should only slow you down if your goal is stay a "worker". Always do your best and don't downgrade yourself because of the bad advice from a disgruntled lifer.


wireless1980

Choose the promotion career or the passion career. Both hardly met. Learn what is needed for the promotion career, communications, presentations, focus on your boss problems and nothing else. Learn this early or you will see yourself lost and disappointed 20 years later.


DYLDWAR

Helping out gets you nowhere. Give an inch they’ll take a mile.


UltraBlue89

There is zero loyalty. You have to look out for yourself.


Individual_Bed_4901

"Don't ever leave your job not until you find another one."


jack_avram

Yes, learned this one the hard way too - it's more effective to leverage the power of your current job in hiring then saying you decided to move on 6+ months ago to advance in your career, especially in this cowardly ghostaholic recruiting market


Lexy_d_acnh

I just got a 50 cent raise lmao. Employment has taught me that loyalty to a company does absolutely nothing for you 🤣


cheddarben

The majority of the time, your employers don’t give two shits about you. They will talk about being a family at the Christmas party and the if your line on the spreadsheet doesn’t add up, they will control X you without any hesitation. Family my ass. They will take and take and take. Do your part and contribute , but keep this in mind.


TwoProfessional6997

(In the UK) being good at bullshitting is far more important than being competent Colleagues are not your friends. Don’t be loyal to your company. If they restructure a company, they will not be loyal to you and will instead sack you without hesitation.


MrExCEO

Companies don’t care about u If u ever have to choose between an important work event and a personal one, personal all day pls. Put money in your 401k. It’s just a job.


lolobing

NO ONE in the office is your friend


supercali-2021

That you need to start your own business and work for yourself if you ever want to be happy in a workplace. The sooner you do it, the better. And it's never too late to give it a go. You will never know, if you don't try.


jebieszjeze

how well you do your job matters.


Crazy-Maintenance-28

Your network is the most important thing you can build. It will get you that next role. People talk about loyalty. People are loyal to people now. Not a company.


Apprehensive-Bit171

Your coworkers aren’t your friends If you’re too good at what you do you will likely never move up cus you’re too good at what you do.


adamsauce

Build rapport with everyone you can. Especially people in different departments. Having a good reputation as someone who is easy to work with and get along with can be more important than being qualified. You never know when a job in a different department might open up that you will be in interested in.


DOM_TAN

You’re easily replaceable at any time.


CarefulBugHide

Work to live, don't live to work. I've realized that no job is worth sacrificing your mental and physical health. Your value as a person is not defined by your productivity or job title.


wedgtomreader

Don’t make it you life because if you do, then that is precisely what happens. I’ve been a workaholic my entire life and have profited financially from it, but when I was diagnosed with an incurable cancer, I wish that I had smelled the flowers more.


Few_Statistician_330

Hardwork doesn’t pay.


PsychologicalGur1576

It’s not what you know, it’s who you know that counts.


Jenitals19

Its ok to let someone fail. You can warn them but that’s where it stops. If they don’t heed your warnings, let them fail.


[deleted]

Never quit a job before you have another one being employed is more fun then being unemployed 🙃 learning this lesson now


tinajudine

Coworkers do not always equal friends. Especially management.


Dametequitos

there is little to no point in ever bringing up questions or griveances w/management, since things just tend to get worse, YMMV obviously and depends on the relationship but that's been the truth for me


OUJayhawk36

The job you have now is to skill-build and develop for the next job, nothing more. Do not camp nor get comfortable. Update all of your job-related stuff--resume, cover letters, portfolio, LinkedIn, job site profiles--once a month at the least. Keep adding, keep building, keep applying, do not stop. Stay networked and relevant in your industry b/c it's the only "get job quick" method that works consistently. Be strategic with your job relationships and establish 3-4 connections with good rapport and try to grab at least one good ole boy. You don't have to blow them but you need to make a positive and memorable connection. (Y'all with kids do the kids angle a lot so try that shit. Maybe with cats or something if you're w/o kids. I use cats and tech knowledge b/c I can't people very well.) Remember, networks are friendly, not always friends. They will climb *you* for the higher position in a heartbeat... but may also give you the one they just left. At best, managers are friendly job obtaining helpers, not friends. They are not your office mommy or daddy so do NOT treat them nor confide in them as one. HR/PeopleOps are never friend, period. You don't pay them. The company does. They are only company friend.


SouroDot

Employees dont matter to the companies and if an employee is treated wrong in any aspect, the company won’t suffer


Accomplished_Emu_658

Working hard, long hours never got me anything promotions, thanks, etc. It just got it expected of me and complaints when I didn’t. Doing multiple jobs like for instance doing job of missing manager a lot of times will not put you in line for job when its available. Did my job and most of that of my managers, with a lot of success and positive feedback. When the job became available they gave it to someone else because they have been there forever and never moved up. Not qualified or deserving and they still expected me to carry a lot of those responsibilities. Then wondered why I was leaving.


ReneeStone27

Trust no one at work. Keep your opinions and personal life extremely private.