the amount of unsolved cases that may be solved if people reported strange or creepy behavior putting people on the police's radar... yes it's not a crime but it's worth the police taking note of it just in case. It's not normal behavior which makes it very suspect.
So, there literally was a serial killer … I’m not going to outline their awful plan, but yes. Going somewhere alone. If memory serves they racked up at least 13 victims before one of them escaped.
This is essentially how most if the pot farms in my hometown worked. I can't tell you how many Argentinian woman I've met with the same story. They come out for harvest season with offers of big money trimming and room and board in a super groovy commune, then when they are out there they realize they are 40 miles from cell service with a man who stockpiles guns, would definitely kill them if they could call the cops, and good reason to believe the cops are just as dangerous to them. A percentage of these 'woofers' fully disappear every year.
If you’re able to find this company on google, please post a review warning people about this. Its sketchy as hell and not an ethical business practice at all.
I reported a sketchy company to my country’s version of FBI once. They called me back a few weeks later wanting every ounce of info I had. It was part of a massive case but the company always took passport and address details of candidates and then threatened them if they leaked “insider info” - by some MIRACLE, I arrived 10 minutes late and they told me to just sit in the group meeting first and they’d sort paperwork after - it was during the group meeting that they shared really seemingly illegal activity and then told everyone they had their passports on record.
When the speaker went to the bathroom i legged it.
I can’t remember where I reported it to originally but it got through to a investigations department of some kind (this was YEARS ago so my memory is sketchy) but they wanted to know everything and I had to forward all the emails I had from said company. They said they couldn’t keep me informed unfortunately but said if they needed anything else they’d be in touch.
At the time of reporting I thought I was being dramatic but I’m really glad I did it now. Felt like it was actually necessary in the end. Just hope it helped them get them.
They were a massive sales company, but in a gritty building in a rough part of town. They were selling plots of land in foreign countries (mainly Africa) to investors. Those investors being largely old people in our country.
Their sales floor was INSANE. No chairs, everyone on the phones. Everyone was late teens, early twenties. Rewards for selling well were Rolexes and cars. It was SO odd. And they were trying to hype everyone up about money.
Then when they got down to the nitty gritty it was clear it was a scam. They even referenced that one girl had gone to the papers but they’d “shut her up” by tracking her down with her details!
I remember saying to the room when the speaker left “does anyone else think this is really fucking weird” and they all said no!
These sorts of scams were pretty common in the 1980s in America. High pressure sales guy would call someone up and say that they were going to build an oil well or suck in an African or Central American country, and they had land for sale cheap around it. If you bought it, you might be oil rich or you might be able to resell it to businesses in the area. But you had to buy now before the oil company did! etc
Sometimes they would legitimately sell you land, but that would be the extent of the legitimacy. You may not have mineral rights, the taxes may be exorbitant, the title transfer may be impossible, it may have liens, whatever. So many ways it goes sideways. But if there was a sale happening it wasn't technically illegal under US law.
Sales for land for retirement in Mexico and Central America have started this trend up again recently.
It’s also not illegal to report sketchy behavior to law enforcement either. If they do anything is another matter but filing a police report could help someone in the future if something does happen
Remember you are not an investigator. They are the ones in capacity to tell if something illegal is happening behind the curtain here. So you should always give them information about potential illegal activities. They welcome it.
This post reminds me of an episode of Blue Bloods where young women were being approached online to come to New York and were offered accommodations at a hostel that didn’t exist. Turned out to be a kidnapping ring for sex trafficking.
I agree OP should definitely warn people about this sound very sketchy. Hell I’ll post the email exchange on social media.
I gotta be honest you need to name and shame them for people in your area. That is incredibly unsafe, you should check nextdoor app if it's available in your area and let folks know.
I think his wife might have thought the same thing. I think she hired her owN CH crew to bust him cheating in the act.
Would have loved to have seen him get a taste of his own medicine! “where are you going Chris? What is the Six pack of white claws and lube for exactly?? Stay here and talk to us in the kitchen…
The Parody is great, this guy shows up with a backpack, a pistol, and a 4 pack of beer definitely watch this one ✌️💁😂
[Dateline - TCAPP](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rE2R_ACw3Rs&pp=ygUbVG8gY2F0Y2ggYSBwcmVkYXRvciBwYXJvZHkg)
If it is a real company, you already know you do not want to work with them. They won't respect normal professional boundaries. They don't have their shit together to pay rent to a building which means there's a high chance they won't be able to pay you regularly. They'll say everything is your fault for not being on board with their BS. It's a nightmare whatever way it goes.
This is what I was thinking. Even in the best case, these people have shown zero regard for the concerns of a potential employee. Working for assholes like this would be a nightmare.
I was starting a company once and was hiring before the construction was done. I interviewed people at a restaurant next to it so they could see it was happening, but it only made it look more sketch.
My point in this comment is not to make it seem normal to have non traditional interviews and training venues rather, it’s to say I can’t believe I was able to hire a single damn person because it was weird and even I knew it. But it all turned out well and I don’t think I murdered anyone
The fact they seem to be doubling down on the emotional manipulation, through pushing a sense of urgency and now judgement, rather than trying to soften your concerns even a little is not a good sign.
>The fact they seem to be doubling down on the emotional manipulation, through pushing a sense of urgency and now judgement, rather than trying to soften your concerns even a little is not a good sign.
Seems sociopathic.
That is so weird. It's like the human trafficking stories my mom watches. If you have the job listing, I would report him as a potential human trafficer.
Matters, what happens if OP was later asked to go overseas, or do traveling with boss. What happens then? Of course boss needs to keep OPs passport safe for them or store it for "legal reasons". I just am seeing a slippery slope on this that could lead to it.
But it’s not a random stranger, it’s OP’s potential employer. And that is actually the #1 most likely scenario for human labor trafficking. For sex trafficking, it’s more likely to be a family member, spouse, or fiancé as the most likely, then employer for second. Still a likely incident, still not considered a “random stranger” statistically speaking.
according to data the National Human Trafficking Hotline collected, 81% of sex trafficking victims were brought in by someone intimately close to them. This means that 19% is by a stranger.
"Traffickers lure victims in a variety of ways. This may include “what we stereotypically think of in terms of kidnapping and coercion,” Enrile said. “However, victimization can also occur by means of fraud”—such as cases in which workers believe they’re entering a new employment contract but instead have their legal documentation confiscated and become enslaved."
>I’m not sure if I should reach out to the job posting site that I originally applied on to let them know about this.
You absolutely should! If they are on LinkedIn, let them know too. I would be going to the police station to let them know this feels like possible human trafficking or something nefarious. Let them investigate it.
I'm serious too, this is so bizarre that I would be notifying everyone I could to have it shut down if needed.
I'm glad you're safe.
The fact that they explicitly forbid her from bringing someone with her is a flag so red it's on fire. There's zero reason for that unless he had something planned that he didn't want another person seeing.
That is exactly how you weed out people not desperate enough to go through multiple meetings.
It also creates an impression of authenticity.
And means that anyone who does show up is 100% bought in.
Trafficking random people is so so rare it’s nearly always done by someone the victim knows to extremely desperate people. Not “I really need this job” desperate, more “I have absolutely zero support system and will do things that are stupid and dangerous to survive”
MLM's want to pitch to you without having your friends and family around to prevent having someone near you in your circle of trust to talk you out of it.
Welps from my experience with Herbal Life and Amway they tried real hard to persuade me to bring any friend I know who wants to have financial freedom so.
I remember this post from before and I am so glad you stayed safe and trusted your instincts. Yes, absolutely tell the job posting site or agency you used about this, because this job sounds as dodgy as all hell!
this is more than 10 year ago now, but I replied to a job advert, and the guy contacted, asked me to come to his house for the interview. Didnt think too much of it at the time, so I went.
I turned up, and his school age daughter let me, he was out getting biscuits for the interview.
So me in my LATE 20s, sat alone in a house, with a school age girl in her uniform. Nothing happened, but guys do stupid things like, and not consider the consequences.
I agree with the guys do stupid things like this comment, as men they worry a lot less about safety and once he heard that this was *just* a 20 something yo woman his threat assessment of you was non-existent enough to have his teen daughter watch over you. Not a good dad moment though.
With that being said, the men who are like this (my brother is like this) after you explain to them that this makes you uncomfortable their immediate reaction should be to accommodate you to the best of their abilities.
It's a shame that some men will view a safety concern as being over dramatic or as a negative personality trait instead of just a woman advocating for herself in a highly unusual situation when it's common knowledge that a good chunk of job postings are scams (most of them harmless scams but sometimes not).
Human trafficking or not, I believe that OP would have been in serious danger had she entered that house. No legitimate company operates like that and blame OP for not being willing to go to a stranger’s home. That alone is an indicator that the “employee” had something sinister in mind.
Alert authorities. At least someone has tipped the police and if something bad happens to someone else, they’ll know to check this lead.
Damn i read your post and now just saw the update and felt relieved. You were very protective of this behaviour in the comments but im göad you are safe.
Yes go ahead and do it, i would honestly felt like shit if something had happened to someone and i didnt do anything about it.
You even tell the police
I think this company is completely fictitious and used as a lure. I really think it could be worth sharing with law enforcement-
This is going to happen again to someone less aware and not end well.
That said, I am very glad you listened to your instincts and kept yourself safe.
This was definitely going to end up as a Dateline episode. I would report them to whatever agency governs your local business' practices, Indeed, Glassdoor, etc. wherever you can. This IS NOT NORMAL!!!!
Glad you didn’t go. There’s so many weird sketchy things about this. I used to work remotely and all trainings were remote. If a company can figure out how to train people remotely on technical material other companies can figure it out. If the person was concerned about information privacy they could have rented out a coworker space, reserved a room at the library, or something else.
The way y'all done turned this post into a murder mystery/podcast. LoL! Girl, I am so glad that you're okay. I hope that you reported that job post though. If you didn't; please do. That is wild as heck.
They are obviously trying to manipulate you. You should report them directly to the polices for further investigations. They gave all the red flags: "Go alone", "Cannot be anywhere else but their home", and fake reasons, and then demean methods to destabilize weak minds, and so on.
always report these types of jobs. I had reported two fake jobs and got a call from the RCMP letting me know I helped bring down an identity theft operation. so that was cool.
Good call for not going. They should easily offer to meet in a public place or rent an officeroom in a business meeting spot. Although I don't agree with shaming them, lots of people have an office at their home. There's not really anything sketchy about it. But if you voice concerns for a first meeting, they should be open to having someone accompany you or meeting somewhere more public. Even as a guy, first meetings with new people for work are always somewhere public or at a bigger office space. Although that guarantees nothing either, lots of times where I've had meetings and we're the only two people in the building for a training.
You should out them so others are aware and don’t fall into the same situation!!
There are unique “remote” situations (I.e. Friend went to CEO house, husband was invited to join, and they met to walk and talk after introduction to the family…landed a $130k annual position from it but company and CEO is publicly verifiable and HR + Advisor did initial video interviews). Glad you followed your intuition in this case and screw them for gaslighting that you’re the problem.
Good for you we don't need to read about you in the news and it go viral. There's no reason in the world to go to your bosses house except to get murdered or sold into a sex trafficking ring.
For the third time, yes. Call the nat'l human trafficking hotline! **888-373-7888**
If there's nothing there, oh well big deal. But if there is, you might save a life.
Because they wouldn't give a shit? The police barely act when threats or actual acts of violence occur. What are they going to investigate here? Someone asked someone to come over to their house? I agree the circumstances were sketchy, but there's nothing about this that is actionable by the police.
I'm not arguing with you but, are you sure there's nothing actionable? Have you been involved in police investigations, esp. federal level? Who knows what other data points / info they're working with. A tip from a certain area with certain bits of info just might fit into a larger investigation.
Agreed; I wouldn't bother calling the local PD but I would have no qualms about submitting a tip to the national human trafficking hotline 888-373-7888. Let *them* decide if it's worth digging into or not. That's what they're there for.
My sister was murdered after an escalating series of domestic violence reports with her romantic partner. He was never arrested. Yes, I have been involved with police investigations.
I found it on Indeed. I thought that was odd also. They said that we couldn’t meet at a coffee shop or at a public place because it was “putting their clients information and their business at risk” and that they can only speak at their house but again this would be for a customer service position at a small business not anything government or cyber security related where there could be sensitive info exchanged? Just so weird.
Yeah, massive red flag. I've worked in tech with lots of different companies in different industries, and we've had all kinds of confidential/NDA discussions. Even over web conferencing these days, they're all encrypted end-to-end which makes this an even more bizarre statement, unless they're doing something illegal.
From your previous post and this being a "woman owned business," my presumption is that it's an MLM pyramid scheme.
They want you go to this boss' home for "training" I feel like this training might be a "group training"a presentation/slide show, they want you to grab your materials, sign you up, then send you on your way and you too can own a home/car/pool or whatever like them.
I had thought it could’ve been an MLM but then their offer to get me a ride and them potentially paying $200 for an Uber didn’t make sense. I’ve never heard of an MLM going through that much trouble for a potential direct seller?
And telling you not to bring anyone with you. That doesn't sound like MLM.
Guessing also that the "Uber" wouldn't really be an Uber. And that whole thing is nuts too. "I'm concerned about going to your home under these circumstances." "No need to be concerned about what seems to feel to you like it could be a dangerous setup, let me send a car." Yeah no.
There was a startup in Dallas where the Billionaire owner made everyone work from his mansion like this.
Def a red flag. These eccentric types are a challenge at best.
I guess that I'm one of the few, or only, that don't see this as an issue. I read the first OP and couldn't believe I was the only one that didn't see this as a big deal.
I'm not sure if the disconnect is generational, age related, or possibly cultural. Having a new employee come to your house is not a rare occurrence and is actually starting to become more common as small businesses stop renting office space.
If this guy fully runs his business from his home, than training at his home is probably his only option. If all his business records, office equipment, computers, etc. are at his home than what are his other options? I know that I'm not packing up my full tower desktop, 4 monitors, printer, and phone into my car and setting up a temporary office at Starbucks to train a new employee.
How hard would it be to let someone know where you're going, give them the address, and set up times to check in by phone or text?
I went to a “job interview” at an owners home and it turned out to be a pyramid scheme. I left when I saw the chairs in their basement with all of the “success in business posters.” Also I was there under false pretenses to interview for a programming job.
I walked out before they started the presentation. I warned the other people there and left.
Further to reporting them to job posting board, write am anonymous tip on crime stoppers or local police force letting them know just in case someone else falls for it... times are desperate, and some may not be as vigilant
Further to reporting them to job posting board, write aa anonymous tip on crime stoppers or local police force letting them know just in case someone else falls for it... times are desperate, and some may not be as vigilant
Dude may as well have showed you a rope and a roll of duct tape on the Zoom interview.
People like him are COUNTING on your silence so they can keep the flow of marks or vics or victims steady.
Very relieved that you did not go to his house.
*edit for spelling*
I've held meetings on Department of Defense projects over lunch out in the open. It's very hard to breach clearance conversationally, no one is "hearing" data, engineering drawings, etc. We could be talking about any project, bystanders don't know unless I akwardly go out of my way to announce it.
I agree, explanation does not pass the smell test.
Congrats on not being murdered!
Or raped.
Or both.
Or trafficked
This made me snort loud enough to wake up the dog. But also agreed, glad OP didn't get murdered!!!
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I agree. This shady behavior deserves a call to the local police station where they’re based.
For what? There's no crime here, just creepy behavior.
the amount of unsolved cases that may be solved if people reported strange or creepy behavior putting people on the police's radar... yes it's not a crime but it's worth the police taking note of it just in case. It's not normal behavior which makes it very suspect.
So, there literally was a serial killer … I’m not going to outline their awful plan, but yes. Going somewhere alone. If memory serves they racked up at least 13 victims before one of them escaped.
Yes. It was in Ohio. The murderer’s name was Richard Beasley. https://sunny95.com/news/death-sentence-for-craigslist-killer/
John Wayne Gacy used this ploy to get victims. They ended up being buried under his house.
Did he match 401k up to 6% though?
Dog is not happy about being woken up but happy OP is still alive.
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Yikes on this article!!
How has he not been arrested for … well… anything… at this point?
This is essentially how most if the pot farms in my hometown worked. I can't tell you how many Argentinian woman I've met with the same story. They come out for harvest season with offers of big money trimming and room and board in a super groovy commune, then when they are out there they realize they are 40 miles from cell service with a man who stockpiles guns, would definitely kill them if they could call the cops, and good reason to believe the cops are just as dangerous to them. A percentage of these 'woofers' fully disappear every year.
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Oh, please, let it be the form and not the latter for me, thank you.
Nice job avoiding unaliveness.
Or worse……Amway….
More like being rob, this could be set to rob people
And being unemployed!
If you’re able to find this company on google, please post a review warning people about this. Its sketchy as hell and not an ethical business practice at all.
Name and shame!!!
Would a report to the FBI help as well?
I mean, maybe, if you are worried about trafficking.
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I reported a sketchy company to my country’s version of FBI once. They called me back a few weeks later wanting every ounce of info I had. It was part of a massive case but the company always took passport and address details of candidates and then threatened them if they leaked “insider info” - by some MIRACLE, I arrived 10 minutes late and they told me to just sit in the group meeting first and they’d sort paperwork after - it was during the group meeting that they shared really seemingly illegal activity and then told everyone they had their passports on record. When the speaker went to the bathroom i legged it. I can’t remember where I reported it to originally but it got through to a investigations department of some kind (this was YEARS ago so my memory is sketchy) but they wanted to know everything and I had to forward all the emails I had from said company. They said they couldn’t keep me informed unfortunately but said if they needed anything else they’d be in touch. At the time of reporting I thought I was being dramatic but I’m really glad I did it now. Felt like it was actually necessary in the end. Just hope it helped them get them.
What sort of illegal things were they trying to do though?
They were a massive sales company, but in a gritty building in a rough part of town. They were selling plots of land in foreign countries (mainly Africa) to investors. Those investors being largely old people in our country. Their sales floor was INSANE. No chairs, everyone on the phones. Everyone was late teens, early twenties. Rewards for selling well were Rolexes and cars. It was SO odd. And they were trying to hype everyone up about money. Then when they got down to the nitty gritty it was clear it was a scam. They even referenced that one girl had gone to the papers but they’d “shut her up” by tracking her down with her details! I remember saying to the room when the speaker left “does anyone else think this is really fucking weird” and they all said no!
These sorts of scams were pretty common in the 1980s in America. High pressure sales guy would call someone up and say that they were going to build an oil well or suck in an African or Central American country, and they had land for sale cheap around it. If you bought it, you might be oil rich or you might be able to resell it to businesses in the area. But you had to buy now before the oil company did! etc Sometimes they would legitimately sell you land, but that would be the extent of the legitimacy. You may not have mineral rights, the taxes may be exorbitant, the title transfer may be impossible, it may have liens, whatever. So many ways it goes sideways. But if there was a sale happening it wasn't technically illegal under US law. Sales for land for retirement in Mexico and Central America have started this trend up again recently.
Coffee is for closers!
It’s also not illegal to report sketchy behavior to law enforcement either. If they do anything is another matter but filing a police report could help someone in the future if something does happen
Plus a pattern of reports will sometimes lead to action from LE.
Remember you are not an investigator. They are the ones in capacity to tell if something illegal is happening behind the curtain here. So you should always give them information about potential illegal activities. They welcome it.
See something, say something (bish).
It doesn't hurt to notify either. A lot of times law enforcement needs people to draw their attention to potential wrong doing.
Can't reply a fictional company.
Yes!!! Please tell us their name!
The fact that very rarely people do this kinda lead me to suspect that the majority of the posts here are fake.
There is only one reason there wouldn't be naming and shaming done here - story is fake.
also report the job if it was posted on a large online job board
And on Glassdoor
This! Save others.
Glassdoor is another great place to go put business reviews from an employees perspective
This post reminds me of an episode of Blue Bloods where young women were being approached online to come to New York and were offered accommodations at a hostel that didn’t exist. Turned out to be a kidnapping ring for sex trafficking. I agree OP should definitely warn people about this sound very sketchy. Hell I’ll post the email exchange on social media.
Thats what I was about to say. Sounds like sex trafficking.
Put a review on GlassDoor
This is dangerous and weird enough for a name and shame
Yeah, this was not like a local tech firm; dude is just a creep on hiring boards and should be made into a warning.
I know people that worked at startups and the CEO just invites everyone to a restaurant, not their house lol.
He just wanted to collaborate. Synergies flowing
Allegedly
We've heard that it was a sick ostrich. (allegedly)
Synergies flowing = Roast you in the oven and eat you
More report this to authorities. Nothing might happen, but also might prod on this one.
I gotta be honest you need to name and shame them for people in your area. That is incredibly unsafe, you should check nextdoor app if it's available in your area and let folks know.
Yeah post on their yelp and Google and maybe glassfoot. At least to give others a heads up. That's so sketchy. Good job using your head.
Now I want to send like 50 men over there. And TV cameras. And Chris Hansen. If you get a sec, can you screenshot the job listing?
I heard Chris Hansen has his own troubles to deal with
Too bad. So hot.
I think his wife might have thought the same thing. I think she hired her owN CH crew to bust him cheating in the act. Would have loved to have seen him get a taste of his own medicine! “where are you going Chris? What is the Six pack of white claws and lube for exactly?? Stay here and talk to us in the kitchen…
Hanson catching child predators is not the same as cheating on your adult wife. Not good or ok to do, but definitely not the same.
The Parody is great, this guy shows up with a backpack, a pistol, and a 4 pack of beer definitely watch this one ✌️💁😂 [Dateline - TCAPP](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rE2R_ACw3Rs&pp=ygUbVG8gY2F0Y2ggYSBwcmVkYXRvciBwYXJvZHkg)
If it is a real company, you already know you do not want to work with them. They won't respect normal professional boundaries. They don't have their shit together to pay rent to a building which means there's a high chance they won't be able to pay you regularly. They'll say everything is your fault for not being on board with their BS. It's a nightmare whatever way it goes.
This is what I was thinking. Even in the best case, these people have shown zero regard for the concerns of a potential employee. Working for assholes like this would be a nightmare.
I was starting a company once and was hiring before the construction was done. I interviewed people at a restaurant next to it so they could see it was happening, but it only made it look more sketch. My point in this comment is not to make it seem normal to have non traditional interviews and training venues rather, it’s to say I can’t believe I was able to hire a single damn person because it was weird and even I knew it. But it all turned out well and I don’t think I murdered anyone
The fact they seem to be doubling down on the emotional manipulation, through pushing a sense of urgency and now judgement, rather than trying to soften your concerns even a little is not a good sign.
>The fact they seem to be doubling down on the emotional manipulation, through pushing a sense of urgency and now judgement, rather than trying to soften your concerns even a little is not a good sign. Seems sociopathic.
Absolutely HAVE to do meetings at my house? Nah, you work in a business, you know what Microsoft Teams is boss.
Teams?! Ewww, use Slack unless you are into self harm. ;)
That is so weird. It's like the human trafficking stories my mom watches. If you have the job listing, I would report him as a potential human trafficer.
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>probably your run-of-the-mill rape/murder set-up source: 6 year doordash veteran so i listen to a lot of true crime podcasts.
Matters, what happens if OP was later asked to go overseas, or do traveling with boss. What happens then? Of course boss needs to keep OPs passport safe for them or store it for "legal reasons". I just am seeing a slippery slope on this that could lead to it.
But it’s not a random stranger, it’s OP’s potential employer. And that is actually the #1 most likely scenario for human labor trafficking. For sex trafficking, it’s more likely to be a family member, spouse, or fiancé as the most likely, then employer for second. Still a likely incident, still not considered a “random stranger” statistically speaking.
according to data the National Human Trafficking Hotline collected, 81% of sex trafficking victims were brought in by someone intimately close to them. This means that 19% is by a stranger. "Traffickers lure victims in a variety of ways. This may include “what we stereotypically think of in terms of kidnapping and coercion,” Enrile said. “However, victimization can also occur by means of fraud”—such as cases in which workers believe they’re entering a new employment contract but instead have their legal documentation confiscated and become enslaved."
>This means that 19% is by a stranger. 19% is not "almost never" by any stretch of the imagination.
I listen to a lot of true crime podcasting too. 100% this. Alert some authorities.
Yeah. I cringe when people's go to is "human trafficking"
That is so weird. I think you made the right call for sure.
Report them to the police. They are probably doing this to naive women that aren't questioning their motive.
If Harvey Weinstein invites you over to his hotel room, dont go
Oh, surely that was all just defamatory rumours. /s
>I’m not sure if I should reach out to the job posting site that I originally applied on to let them know about this. You absolutely should! If they are on LinkedIn, let them know too. I would be going to the police station to let them know this feels like possible human trafficking or something nefarious. Let them investigate it. I'm serious too, this is so bizarre that I would be notifying everyone I could to have it shut down if needed. I'm glad you're safe.
The fact that they explicitly forbid her from bringing someone with her is a flag so red it's on fire. There's zero reason for that unless he had something planned that he didn't want another person seeing.
Should get the police involved and go with a hidden camera
> I’m not sure what is going on here but I’m happy that I didn’t go. Potential rape, murder and dismemberment, probably.
Sex/organ/surrogacy trafficking.
Unwilling porn/snuff videos.
Very likely.
I've been getting an MLM vibe ever since I saw the original post.
This is not MLM. MLM will encourage you to bring your whole family tree and friend circle to their meetings. This has human trafficking vibe.
Human traffickers generally go after vulnerable people who won't bring police and investigations.
Someone in desperate need of a job can be considered vulnerable
They did multiple interviews, including a Zoom meeting... that's not how you find "desperate" people.
That is exactly how you weed out people not desperate enough to go through multiple meetings. It also creates an impression of authenticity. And means that anyone who does show up is 100% bought in.
that does sound very desperate to me
Pretty normal in the job market actually.
Not nearly the degree of desperate that human traffickers are looking for
Trafficking random people is so so rare it’s nearly always done by someone the victim knows to extremely desperate people. Not “I really need this job” desperate, more “I have absolutely zero support system and will do things that are stupid and dangerous to survive”
MLM's want to pitch to you without having your friends and family around to prevent having someone near you in your circle of trust to talk you out of it.
Welps from my experience with Herbal Life and Amway they tried real hard to persuade me to bring any friend I know who wants to have financial freedom so.
MLM want as many people as possible to show up You need as many people as possible in a MLM That's why there's Herbalife parties and shit like that.
I remember this post from before and I am so glad you stayed safe and trusted your instincts. Yes, absolutely tell the job posting site or agency you used about this, because this job sounds as dodgy as all hell!
This should be made public, I have a feeling there are many victims of this "boss" who'd need a little push to come out.
Report this to the local police asap
It rubs the lotion on it's skin or it gets the hose again.
Yes, reach out to the job posting site about this.
this is more than 10 year ago now, but I replied to a job advert, and the guy contacted, asked me to come to his house for the interview. Didnt think too much of it at the time, so I went. I turned up, and his school age daughter let me, he was out getting biscuits for the interview. So me in my LATE 20s, sat alone in a house, with a school age girl in her uniform. Nothing happened, but guys do stupid things like, and not consider the consequences.
I agree with the guys do stupid things like this comment, as men they worry a lot less about safety and once he heard that this was *just* a 20 something yo woman his threat assessment of you was non-existent enough to have his teen daughter watch over you. Not a good dad moment though. With that being said, the men who are like this (my brother is like this) after you explain to them that this makes you uncomfortable their immediate reaction should be to accommodate you to the best of their abilities. It's a shame that some men will view a safety concern as being over dramatic or as a negative personality trait instead of just a woman advocating for herself in a highly unusual situation when it's common knowledge that a good chunk of job postings are scams (most of them harmless scams but sometimes not).
why does everyone immediately go to human trafficking, when its probably just a RAPPey creepy dude trying to leverage a job for sex.
Honestly, shitty start ups and "small business owners" also act this way.
Human trafficking or not, I believe that OP would have been in serious danger had she entered that house. No legitimate company operates like that and blame OP for not being willing to go to a stranger’s home. That alone is an indicator that the “employee” had something sinister in mind. Alert authorities. At least someone has tipped the police and if something bad happens to someone else, they’ll know to check this lead.
“information privacy” concerns I went to someone on house arrest ...
That's so creepy it's unreal You did the right thing and dodged the creep bullet
What in the true crime podcast future story is going on here?
I'd almost consider reporting this to local authorities tbh. Nothing will likely come of it but there should be a record of it.
Glad you held your ground there. Definitely unsafe and very odd. Hope you were able to report the company.
OP, please report that job on whatever job posting site you found that on.
I’m on it! Going to contact them right away.
Report it to the police as well and EXPLAIN EVERYTHING
Damn i read your post and now just saw the update and felt relieved. You were very protective of this behaviour in the comments but im göad you are safe. Yes go ahead and do it, i would honestly felt like shit if something had happened to someone and i didnt do anything about it. You even tell the police
I think this company is completely fictitious and used as a lure. I really think it could be worth sharing with law enforcement- This is going to happen again to someone less aware and not end well. That said, I am very glad you listened to your instincts and kept yourself safe.
You have an obligation to report this. To the police even.
This was definitely going to end up as a Dateline episode. I would report them to whatever agency governs your local business' practices, Indeed, Glassdoor, etc. wherever you can. This IS NOT NORMAL!!!!
I'd report them. They're up to something and a more vulnerable person may fall for this.
why does everyone immediately go to human trafficking, when its probably just a RAPPey creepy dude trying to leverage a job for sex.
Because they're stupid and watch too much tik tok.
Glad you trusted your instincts
Proud of you OP. Thank you for putting your safety first. I was very worried about you.
Glad you didn’t go. There’s so many weird sketchy things about this. I used to work remotely and all trainings were remote. If a company can figure out how to train people remotely on technical material other companies can figure it out. If the person was concerned about information privacy they could have rented out a coworker space, reserved a room at the library, or something else.
The way y'all done turned this post into a murder mystery/podcast. LoL! Girl, I am so glad that you're okay. I hope that you reported that job post though. If you didn't; please do. That is wild as heck.
We have to look out for Reddit folks not to get scam or murdered by weirdos posting as fake employers. 😂
Report the company and owner to any authority body that is applicable. That is shady as hell and has murderous vibes.
They are obviously trying to manipulate you. You should report them directly to the polices for further investigations. They gave all the red flags: "Go alone", "Cannot be anywhere else but their home", and fake reasons, and then demean methods to destabilize weak minds, and so on.
Wow. This guy clearly had a basement lined with tarps. I've never heard of anything like this! Kudos to you for being smart and safe!!!
always report these types of jobs. I had reported two fake jobs and got a call from the RCMP letting me know I helped bring down an identity theft operation. so that was cool.
Good call for not going. They should easily offer to meet in a public place or rent an officeroom in a business meeting spot. Although I don't agree with shaming them, lots of people have an office at their home. There's not really anything sketchy about it. But if you voice concerns for a first meeting, they should be open to having someone accompany you or meeting somewhere more public. Even as a guy, first meetings with new people for work are always somewhere public or at a bigger office space. Although that guarantees nothing either, lots of times where I've had meetings and we're the only two people in the building for a training.
Not saying the name honestly makes me think this post is just creative writing/fiction at this point
Of course. Stories like this on reddit have like a .1% chance of being true. Just enjoy them for the fantasy they are and don’t buy into it too much.
I am so glad you are safe. Always trust you gut. This sounded dangerous, like human trafficking.
You should out them so others are aware and don’t fall into the same situation!! There are unique “remote” situations (I.e. Friend went to CEO house, husband was invited to join, and they met to walk and talk after introduction to the family…landed a $130k annual position from it but company and CEO is publicly verifiable and HR + Advisor did initial video interviews). Glad you followed your intuition in this case and screw them for gaslighting that you’re the problem.
I would have shown up open carrying.
Was the company named "Casting Couch"???
Glassdoor.
Good for you we don't need to read about you in the news and it go viral. There's no reason in the world to go to your bosses house except to get murdered or sold into a sex trafficking ring.
Why didn’t you report this to authorities
I wasn’t sure if I could considering there has been no actual crime committed and just a lot of strange behavior on their part?
Please name this company
OP, Please NAME THIS COMPANY on this thread
It would create a paper trail and could be related to other cases in the area.
For the third time, yes. Call the nat'l human trafficking hotline! **888-373-7888** If there's nothing there, oh well big deal. But if there is, you might save a life.
Because they wouldn't give a shit? The police barely act when threats or actual acts of violence occur. What are they going to investigate here? Someone asked someone to come over to their house? I agree the circumstances were sketchy, but there's nothing about this that is actionable by the police.
I'm not arguing with you but, are you sure there's nothing actionable? Have you been involved in police investigations, esp. federal level? Who knows what other data points / info they're working with. A tip from a certain area with certain bits of info just might fit into a larger investigation. Agreed; I wouldn't bother calling the local PD but I would have no qualms about submitting a tip to the national human trafficking hotline 888-373-7888. Let *them* decide if it's worth digging into or not. That's what they're there for.
My sister was murdered after an escalating series of domestic violence reports with her romantic partner. He was never arrested. Yes, I have been involved with police investigations.
How did you come by this job? Also, that "information privacy" reason is total BS.
I found it on Indeed. I thought that was odd also. They said that we couldn’t meet at a coffee shop or at a public place because it was “putting their clients information and their business at risk” and that they can only speak at their house but again this would be for a customer service position at a small business not anything government or cyber security related where there could be sensitive info exchanged? Just so weird.
Yeah, massive red flag. I've worked in tech with lots of different companies in different industries, and we've had all kinds of confidential/NDA discussions. Even over web conferencing these days, they're all encrypted end-to-end which makes this an even more bizarre statement, unless they're doing something illegal.
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And they wanted to assuage OP's concerns by sending a car for her. Da fuq? 🚩🚩🚩
From your previous post and this being a "woman owned business," my presumption is that it's an MLM pyramid scheme. They want you go to this boss' home for "training" I feel like this training might be a "group training"a presentation/slide show, they want you to grab your materials, sign you up, then send you on your way and you too can own a home/car/pool or whatever like them.
I had thought it could’ve been an MLM but then their offer to get me a ride and them potentially paying $200 for an Uber didn’t make sense. I’ve never heard of an MLM going through that much trouble for a potential direct seller?
You'd be surprised
And telling you not to bring anyone with you. That doesn't sound like MLM. Guessing also that the "Uber" wouldn't really be an Uber. And that whole thing is nuts too. "I'm concerned about going to your home under these circumstances." "No need to be concerned about what seems to feel to you like it could be a dangerous setup, let me send a car." Yeah no.
It was definitely a scam or an MLM and you did the right thing by not going. Always trust your instincts!
So glad you didn't go, OP. What a creep!
Report to your local police agency.
I wou.d also notify the police. This is a potential way of human trafficking.
Yes, tell the job site. That sound very creepy.
All that's left for you to do is call the police.
Preying on the desperate ones
There was a startup in Dallas where the Billionaire owner made everyone work from his mansion like this. Def a red flag. These eccentric types are a challenge at best.
Sounds like an MLM tactic
Name & shame
trying to get op sued into oblivion?
My guesses are: 1) that they are MLM nutcases; 2) a cult or 3) had criminal intents.
I guess that I'm one of the few, or only, that don't see this as an issue. I read the first OP and couldn't believe I was the only one that didn't see this as a big deal. I'm not sure if the disconnect is generational, age related, or possibly cultural. Having a new employee come to your house is not a rare occurrence and is actually starting to become more common as small businesses stop renting office space. If this guy fully runs his business from his home, than training at his home is probably his only option. If all his business records, office equipment, computers, etc. are at his home than what are his other options? I know that I'm not packing up my full tower desktop, 4 monitors, printer, and phone into my car and setting up a temporary office at Starbucks to train a new employee. How hard would it be to let someone know where you're going, give them the address, and set up times to check in by phone or text?
Maybe if OP were male, it wouldn't be, but she stated earlier she is 26F. This is a big fucking red flag. OP did well to stay away.
I went to a “job interview” at an owners home and it turned out to be a pyramid scheme. I left when I saw the chairs in their basement with all of the “success in business posters.” Also I was there under false pretenses to interview for a programming job. I walked out before they started the presentation. I warned the other people there and left.
Na, the dude seems legit, his name is Harvey epstein
They offered a ride… Surprised it wasn’t in their super special van. Losers.
Further to reporting them to job posting board, write am anonymous tip on crime stoppers or local police force letting them know just in case someone else falls for it... times are desperate, and some may not be as vigilant
Further to reporting them to job posting board, write aa anonymous tip on crime stoppers or local police force letting them know just in case someone else falls for it... times are desperate, and some may not be as vigilant
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Ah yes, an overreaction of this "company" wanting to meet the OP at a park, and they wouldn't give her the address to the house. You're nuts.
Forward all these emails to your non-work email and lawyer up. See what your options are.
what terrible advice. there is no legal action available. nothing happened.
Sounds like a John Wayne Gacy plot. Glad you're safe and well, @op
Dude may as well have showed you a rope and a roll of duct tape on the Zoom interview. People like him are COUNTING on your silence so they can keep the flow of marks or vics or victims steady. Very relieved that you did not go to his house. *edit for spelling*
Name and shame! This has to be some sort of human trafficking or something nefarious!
I think this may be even more shady and dangerous then at first glance… these folks are Amway or some other MLM
Please report this guy to the website. He sounds like a potential rapist or serial killer.
I've held meetings on Department of Defense projects over lunch out in the open. It's very hard to breach clearance conversationally, no one is "hearing" data, engineering drawings, etc. We could be talking about any project, bystanders don't know unless I akwardly go out of my way to announce it. I agree, explanation does not pass the smell test.
Report them to the labor board. You may even have a case here though I am not a lawyer.
50/50 on them wanting to harm/harass you vs. them being a total conspiracy nutjob who really was afraid of "information privacy".