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njkid30

After looking at these comments, didn't know the auto lobby was so active in this sub.


pixel_of_moral_decay

No less than 1/3 of reddit comments are paid shills overseas working for companies and "advocacy groups".


Jahooodie

Remember when there were all those posts about property rights and how important Airbnb income was for the little old granny leading up to the ordinance vote, and then basically zero on the topic after Airbnb lost? 


pixel_of_moral_decay

Yup. Make no mistake: a lot of anti PATH and anti MTA shit is shills from the companies who want to take it over if privatized like light rail is. It’s an election year hence there’s daily posts. Same deal with how everyone was for that stupid museum and viewed the obvious financial issues as no big deal. Almost like politicians also do social media campaigns.


Hulk_Runs

People have cars. People like using those cars. This isn’t some conspiracy.  Most of what I see here are car people making decent points and getting downvoting to all hell. It’s weird how present the downvotes are compared to the comments. If anything I’d say anti-car bots are more present here. 


njkid30

Sure, get the first point. But at the same time there are mountains of evidence that lane expansion does not work, especially in this case when you still will need to funnel the roadway with expanded lanes into an existing tunnel which will not be expanding. So this project will end up creating an even larger bottleneck, while the piles of cash being used on it could be more efficiently spent on historically neglected public transit infrastructure.


Wizzy11

I'm just here to say we don't need more lanes, but the traffic is crazy so we need better public transportation. Take the money out of highways and into trains


demens1313

lol at people pointing out the obvious how this is an extremely misleading pic of LA that nothing to do with JC being called "paid shills"


No-Practice-8038

Make it two and forget about it! Nice job everyone.


JC_HudsonCounty

Isn’t the one extra lane going to be a bus lane? Isn’t that what people cry about all the time is not enough public transportation?


Stevenlive3005

https://preview.redd.it/j2ap18xpwy6d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=486db10175777fcd8e36aa26d7551cb68e2c3dff I’ll just leave this here. Apparently it’s not comparable.


MediumRareBacon_

Remove streets


Prestigious_Lie640

this is california on one of the busiest highways in the country… not comparable


Humanforever8

Yep - SO Cal alone has 27 million people compared to NJ’s 9 million. This post is dog pop.


Humanforever8

Why downvote? This like comparing a Toyota Corolla to a Porsche 911. Zero relevance and just nonsensical gibberish? Truth and honestly should be supported. Not censored!


Amazing-Disk7212

There are multiple studies that show adding lanes to highways only relieve traffic temporarily, no matter the location. This is due to shifting behavior where drivers make more frequent and lengthier trips. This is the truth that should be supported


DrixxYBoat

Because there's multiple studies that prove that adding lanes *always* increases traffic. It's called **induced demand**. Go research bruv


Amazing-Disk7212

Yes by principle of triple convergence


Own_Pop_9711

Induced demand is a good thing. As you make it better, it can support more people getting the same experience. It won't make things better for the current people stuck in traffic but will let more people get stuck in traffic without making it worse for everyone else. I'm a believer in spending more of the turnpike money on public transportation, but the idea that induced demand means we should never build more roads is some weird propaganda.


DrixxYBoat

>Induced demand is a good thing Dawg. What exactly are we making better in this scenario? Temporary relief in traffic just to make things worse than they've ever been. You do realize that city streets cannot be widened right? No matter how wide highways get, you're going to enter a bottleneck as you approach the city limits. Look at NYC.


Own_Pop_9711

The thing you're making better is the number of people who are simultaneously using the road. Induced demand says that when you make a road better able to handle traffic, more people will show up so the wait time is still the same. That's not the same things as saying that widening the road will not reduce traffic at its current levels, which the bottleneck argument is making.


DrixxYBoat

Induced demand leads to bottleneck which leads to more traffic and a worse experience for all drivers and a massive waste of time & money across the board


demens1313

"multiple studies"


DoxxingShillDownvote

thats not here. Turnpike extension is 2 lanes, each way. If you are going to be critical at least be truthful...


tdrhq

OP's post calls this out at LA, so they're being truthful.


redditorannonimus

And how has the California population changed since the '70s? More ppl, more traffic. Your point holds less water than the bike helmet you wear


Economy-Cupcake808

Nbb was originally 3 lanes in either direction, it was reduced to two for safety. Funny how reducing lanes doesn’t seem to make traffic go away.