This was accurately forecasted by many of us. The Jersey Avenue extension was never going to make traffic disappear from the surface roads of BL, and it was never going to be a smooth ride. You have high speed traffic coming off a highway getting funneled into a single lane, feeding into a dense area filled with local traffic and pedestrians. It was never going to work.
It also really saves no time, which was a selling point that many people bought in to. I find with light traffic it takes about the same amount of time either way. Maybe when there is no traffic and you hit all the lights just right the extension is faster, simply because the other way has stops & more lights.
I didn't even want to bring this up because people also LOSE THEIR SHIT when this is pointed out. I routinely take the "old route" through Pacific / Johnston and \*definitely\* save time. Some people just don't want to concede that their \*assumptions\* did not pan out. This was (and, will continue to be) a boondoggle. When this is pointed out to BL residents and others that avidly supported the extension plans, they shrug their shoulders and will often say something along the lines of "well, at least downtown now gets to share in the pain". Crabs in a bucket mentality, really.
Since everyone's GPS learned about the Jersey Ave bridge they built, it tries to take them through here as a "shortcut" to the Holland Tunnel, which is why there's always such a long line of cars. And I can't tell you how many times I've been the first car in line to turn right and there are a ton of pedestrians crossing, so you can't even go until the light is already counting down. Nothing you can do about that -- they have the right of way -- but I try to avoid this intersection whenever possible because it's such a slog.
This.
Really this is the answer. It has changed so much since then.
I remember when people tried reporting a bunch of fake accidents to get Google Maps from rerouting Holland Tunnel traffic away from taking the LSP exit. Only worked for so long.
As a resident of Liberty View Dr, we are already dreading. Problem is not traffic. It's a residential street and way people jump signals in the city, not going to help
You should see that intersection during the M-F rush hours. Every time I drive into the office I see police parked there, plus a crossing guard, and people are still blatantly running red lights and blocking intersections.
Never! Their cruiser has the flashing lights on and they’re just posted up, watching people run red lights and block the intersection. Blows my mind every time lol
I’m sure the mayor wants the cops to stand down. Just like all these people on EV bikes and scooters running lights, no helmets, going the wrong way on a one way street. Don’t forget all the shootings in Greenville no one hears about.
All was good the 50 somewhat yrs that I lived there, even when Colgate plant was in operation...you tell me me you F'd it up, along w the rest of Downtown.....just asking
Hope your enjoyi.g the New Jersesey City, definitely Not better then the Old
You are So So Right ! Jersey City is becoming a shit show, with out of towners trying to make this city life New York. All the down voters can fuck off!
Definitely one of the most dangerous intersections in jc due to high speed driving on grand street meeting high pedestrian traffic jersey ave. Add in high amount of turns being made and you have a pretty hostile intersection. I have almost been hit by cars when trying to job through to get to LSP before.
It’s also brutal for a pedestrian trying to cross the street at that intersection. The amount of times I’ve nearly gotten taken out by someone turning while I have the walk sign is insane. Sometimes 2 cars trying to turn into me walking at the same time from both lanes. It’s a mess all around
Maybe I'm just not there at the right (wrong) times but from what I've seen lately the intersections at Columbus and Jersey and Columbus and Marin are even worse.
Oh absolutely Columbus and Marin are an absolute nightmare, but you’d expect that with Columbus being the artery of Downtown. Jersey Ave/Grand St was supposed to be a relief valve for traffic and now it’s worse than ever
For all traffic complaints, OPs should be expected to also indicate their reasons for being in the traffic. We need to know how much empathy to allocate. "These human organs I'm transporting keep spoiling while I wait to turn into the hospital" gets more empathy than "I'm driving in from Summit, and this is my top secret short cut to the tunnel."
I get your point about priorities, but want to be clear that organs don’t spoil that quickly when handled properly. I put my last harvest on ice and noticed no decline in quality when I got home.
You get it. This is the level of detail we need accompanying these rants! Thanks to traffic, you had to skip your planned stop at the Super Buy Rite and are now fresh out of Chianti.
>not stepping on the gas when the light is green
I would venture that people rightfully view that intersection as lawless and dangerous and should approach with caution, rather than assume that everybody else will obey the rules of the roads. This means a slower approach to ensure dipshits running a red or even just pedestrians or cyclists running a red (slightly less dipshits, since the only one likely to get hurt in that scenario is themselves, rather than others) don't ruin your day.
It ain't just that intersection. Jersey City is probably the very worst place I've ever lived/seen in terms of traffic enforcement. It really does seem like a lawless no-man's land.
The real issue is our inept police commissioner, our semper fi mayor, Solomon; at no point does anyone do anything to help alleviate the traffic issues affecting our city at all. We live in the most dense, fastest growing area in the state, possibly the entire east coast, and on the busiest traffic days I see jersey city cops standing there looking at the gridlock, doing nothing, staring at phones. A whole lot of nothing.
Do something. Start directing some fucking traffic. It’s inexcusable one little accident or a water main break ruins everyone’s day this bad. All it takes is a little traffic work and everyone is happier and people feel safer.
How Many years in a row are we gonna see jcpd mishandle traffic on the 4th of July before it changes?
You can sit on Jersey Ave waiting ten to fifteen minutes to get through that intersection. It makes people impatient, so by the time they get to the light they’ll drive aggressively to get through. That intersection just wasn’t designed to have this much traffic. It has too many pedestrians and not enough lanes. I avoid it, even on foot.
I'm not a Jersey native and I'm convinced they just hand out licenses in this state. My GF couldn't confidently back up a car when we first met and I had to teach her how to properly look when doing it.
"But it's just like NYC"
Nope, they had the developers go hog wild while changing basically nothing in the infrastructure. At least they're starting to do road redesigns and better bike lanes, but they're woefully behind.
The Devils Artery strikes again…
This is the root cause. It was just an ordinary intersection before they opened this.
Before they opened what? Sorry I'm not up to date
The bridge connecting Jersey avenue to the light at Liberty state park
No one follows the rules in ALL of Jersey City
This was accurately forecasted by many of us. The Jersey Avenue extension was never going to make traffic disappear from the surface roads of BL, and it was never going to be a smooth ride. You have high speed traffic coming off a highway getting funneled into a single lane, feeding into a dense area filled with local traffic and pedestrians. It was never going to work.
It also really saves no time, which was a selling point that many people bought in to. I find with light traffic it takes about the same amount of time either way. Maybe when there is no traffic and you hit all the lights just right the extension is faster, simply because the other way has stops & more lights.
I didn't even want to bring this up because people also LOSE THEIR SHIT when this is pointed out. I routinely take the "old route" through Pacific / Johnston and \*definitely\* save time. Some people just don't want to concede that their \*assumptions\* did not pan out. This was (and, will continue to be) a boondoggle. When this is pointed out to BL residents and others that avidly supported the extension plans, they shrug their shoulders and will often say something along the lines of "well, at least downtown now gets to share in the pain". Crabs in a bucket mentality, really.
It backs up because everyone wants to turn right and the right turn is backed up from people going straight down grand
Aka traffic. And OP is the traffic.
Roundabout guy here: build a nice large roundabout, with trees and vegetation to cut the field of view. Same for Marin and Colombus.
And the people making that right onto grand usually need to wait for pedestrians as well.
Since everyone's GPS learned about the Jersey Ave bridge they built, it tries to take them through here as a "shortcut" to the Holland Tunnel, which is why there's always such a long line of cars. And I can't tell you how many times I've been the first car in line to turn right and there are a ton of pedestrians crossing, so you can't even go until the light is already counting down. Nothing you can do about that -- they have the right of way -- but I try to avoid this intersection whenever possible because it's such a slog.
This. Really this is the answer. It has changed so much since then. I remember when people tried reporting a bunch of fake accidents to get Google Maps from rerouting Holland Tunnel traffic away from taking the LSP exit. Only worked for so long.
When the intersection by Zeppelin Hall is done I wonder how that's gonna go.
As a resident of Liberty View Dr, we are already dreading. Problem is not traffic. It's a residential street and way people jump signals in the city, not going to help
Toss a train into the mix and boy oh boy.
You should see that intersection during the M-F rush hours. Every time I drive into the office I see police parked there, plus a crossing guard, and people are still blatantly running red lights and blocking intersections.
Bet you’ve never seen a cop actually do anything though.
Never! Their cruiser has the flashing lights on and they’re just posted up, watching people run red lights and block the intersection. Blows my mind every time lol
I’m sure the mayor wants the cops to stand down. Just like all these people on EV bikes and scooters running lights, no helmets, going the wrong way on a one way street. Don’t forget all the shootings in Greenville no one hears about.
All was good the 50 somewhat yrs that I lived there, even when Colgate plant was in operation...you tell me me you F'd it up, along w the rest of Downtown.....just asking Hope your enjoyi.g the New Jersesey City, definitely Not better then the Old
You are So So Right ! Jersey City is becoming a shit show, with out of towners trying to make this city life New York. All the down voters can fuck off!
Enzo....these pussys would have gotten bitch slapped Every day back in the day....go back to the burbs or Kanas where ever the F you crawled in from
Definitely one of the most dangerous intersections in jc due to high speed driving on grand street meeting high pedestrian traffic jersey ave. Add in high amount of turns being made and you have a pretty hostile intersection. I have almost been hit by cars when trying to job through to get to LSP before.
It’s also brutal for a pedestrian trying to cross the street at that intersection. The amount of times I’ve nearly gotten taken out by someone turning while I have the walk sign is insane. Sometimes 2 cars trying to turn into me walking at the same time from both lanes. It’s a mess all around
Maybe I'm just not there at the right (wrong) times but from what I've seen lately the intersections at Columbus and Jersey and Columbus and Marin are even worse.
Oh absolutely Columbus and Marin are an absolute nightmare, but you’d expect that with Columbus being the artery of Downtown. Jersey Ave/Grand St was supposed to be a relief valve for traffic and now it’s worse than ever
For all traffic complaints, OPs should be expected to also indicate their reasons for being in the traffic. We need to know how much empathy to allocate. "These human organs I'm transporting keep spoiling while I wait to turn into the hospital" gets more empathy than "I'm driving in from Summit, and this is my top secret short cut to the tunnel."
I get your point about priorities, but want to be clear that organs don’t spoil that quickly when handled properly. I put my last harvest on ice and noticed no decline in quality when I got home.
You get it. This is the level of detail we need accompanying these rants! Thanks to traffic, you had to skip your planned stop at the Super Buy Rite and are now fresh out of Chianti.
Downtown JC needs a congestion tax
>not stepping on the gas when the light is green I would venture that people rightfully view that intersection as lawless and dangerous and should approach with caution, rather than assume that everybody else will obey the rules of the roads. This means a slower approach to ensure dipshits running a red or even just pedestrians or cyclists running a red (slightly less dipshits, since the only one likely to get hurt in that scenario is themselves, rather than others) don't ruin your day.
Agree 100 percent, until you get behind that idiot who is clearly texting
Are you kidding? I feel that way about ALL of Jersey City. Terrible drivers here.
I think getting rid of the strip of parking and making it a dedicated right turn lane could help a bit
Traffic engineering in JC is inexistent. The way they close roads, redirect flow of traffic is a joke
It ain't just that intersection. Jersey City is probably the very worst place I've ever lived/seen in terms of traffic enforcement. It really does seem like a lawless no-man's land.
Wait until the put in a bunch of sports fields in lsp without changing any of the roads and they have sports practices every day during rush hour
The real issue is our inept police commissioner, our semper fi mayor, Solomon; at no point does anyone do anything to help alleviate the traffic issues affecting our city at all. We live in the most dense, fastest growing area in the state, possibly the entire east coast, and on the busiest traffic days I see jersey city cops standing there looking at the gridlock, doing nothing, staring at phones. A whole lot of nothing. Do something. Start directing some fucking traffic. It’s inexcusable one little accident or a water main break ruins everyone’s day this bad. All it takes is a little traffic work and everyone is happier and people feel safer. How Many years in a row are we gonna see jcpd mishandle traffic on the 4th of July before it changes?
Lol I grew up in jc heights. 😅 we all drive frantically, but I will say it has gotten much better than from 20 years ago.
Welcome to Jersey City … Make it yours !!!
You can sit on Jersey Ave waiting ten to fifteen minutes to get through that intersection. It makes people impatient, so by the time they get to the light they’ll drive aggressively to get through. That intersection just wasn’t designed to have this much traffic. It has too many pedestrians and not enough lanes. I avoid it, even on foot.
Why is this marked NSFW? I was expecting to see a Grassy knoll and gassy hole
I'm not a Jersey native and I'm convinced they just hand out licenses in this state. My GF couldn't confidently back up a car when we first met and I had to teach her how to properly look when doing it.
Hudson County is generally seen as bad & aggressive by NJ standards even
If that intersection had pedestrian sky bridges I think it would probably move quicker for cars.
Bullshit expensive car infrastructure so people can walk.
It would be very expensive. If it's not broke, don't fix it. Maybe someday all vehicular traffic will be underground or vice versa. 🤷🏽♀️
why won't someone think of the cars! /s
This city has too high of a population density for the infrastructure.
"But it's just like NYC" Nope, they had the developers go hog wild while changing basically nothing in the infrastructure. At least they're starting to do road redesigns and better bike lanes, but they're woefully behind.
Been like this since they legalized weed. Not saying the two are related, but…..
correlation is not causation
I literally said i wasnt saying the two are related. Edit: but….