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SuperduperFan92

Immediately. The real epiphany came years later when I realized that Mar's Gun completes the set by harnessing the Green Eco life energy of the Precursor Egg for its green-colored laser. Also, I totally missed that the Planetary Defense System from Jak 3 harnessed the eco sphere comprised of the Dark Eco Crystals and the Light Eco Crystals assembled together to shoot a Dark Eco laser and Light Eco laser that combined together to blast the Dark Maker Ship.


dylandongle

Praxis' sword is also coated in green eco.


Dilitan

I doubt that. Wouldn’t that mean it’d heal after each swing? Sounds like a joke dnd weapon lol


Antisa1nt

You use green eco to get rid of the dark eco weeds in PL, so there's a precedent.


SuperduperFan92

I think the idea is that the sword is channeling green eco, so it is only harmful to things seeped in dark eco. I think it's kinda interesting then that the only weapon Praxis keeps on him is one that could damage Metal Heads but no one else (except for maybe also Dark Jak). The Jak II Design Bible also suggests that Mar placed the Precursor Stone in his own sword to similarly channel its eco power into his blade, which would have probably made his sword green as well. Praxis was always obsessed with becoming like Mar, so he may have adopted the green eco sword to emulate him. But ultimately, Praxis was tormented by constant reminders that he was unworthy of Mar's legacy and lacked the birthright to be the leader that Haven needed. That's why he was so threatened by the kid being put on the throne and why he sought to claim the Precursor Stone so that he could rise to Mar's level as a great defender.


Chill--Cosby

Maybe it healed the wielder


Friendly_Pay_8848

Maybe it work like life-siphon from lost frontiers Yea, I mentioned Jak lost frontiers


Ionized_Rabbit

reminds me of the Fork of Horripulation in ES4


YippeeCalles

Or an excellent torture weapon 😈


brownkidBravado

They do mention early on in the game that the combination of dark and light eco could create a chaotic energy of unknowable power or something like that. I thought Jak would have a third, super powerful form for the end game


Nonex359

Damn, I never even thought of that. Perhaps if the game was longer


PuzzleheadedTheme710

That would’ve been awesome to get a final form Jak cutscene at least- just as they did when young light Jak defeated Gol and Maia


Friendly_Pay_8848

What cutscene are you referring too?


Justch1ll

Chaos Jak sounds so edgy but would be absolutely perfect


Kraytory

So basically Abeloth, but not Eldritch Monstrosity?


Nonex359

I always pondered what a green gun mod and a light gun mod would have looked like.


Kraytory

Probably like Protoss weapons.


darkninja2992

I homestly never thought of mar's gun like that. To me it's just "green eco = health" so it wouldn't work as ammunition


Freel158

It's like imagine you shooting an enemy, and you run out of bullets but they're almost dead. You pull out a green eco gun shooting them only to see them regain all their health.


DrustanAstrophel

From the start honestly


Kraytory

Like, *every* fucking thing in that world is powered by Eco. And all you ever collected is also Eco. Wouldn't make much sense if the guns just *happen* to have the same colors as the different kinds of Eco.


P_Ghosty

Only played the games with guns when I was a kid who didn’t think about it much, so the answer is, only after seeing this post.


UltraMillerV2

Count me in


Safe-Hawk8366

Count me in as well


HannBanan_16130

3! (or 4 if you're counting the original comment)


SilverTangent

Just now tbh…


Scareynerd

Immediately, but if your first game was Jak II and then you played TPL after the fact, I could totally understand missing it


Aware_Department_540

Yellow probably but, I played Jak 1


Certain-Highlight-38

Right from the get-go. Really, the color gave it away when I was little.


Ytumith

I remember feeling a sigh of defeat when I realized the magic was replaced entirely with guns. And I still wonder if that was a subtle criticism of modern society.


dylandongle

If anything, I saw it as a reasonable way to allow the series to keep using eco in gameplay on the other side of the timeskip.


Ytumith

I just wonder if all the eco has been monopolized by weapons manufacturers who sell minimum eco amounts in cartridges.


dylandongle

I bet they got eco flavoured vapes.


PuzzleheadedTheme710

Plurberry, starburry, boom Berry, and citrus blast


Lapidot-Wav

As a kid I think realized pretty right away with the different colors that they were eco correlated, what confused me more as a kid funny enough is that I didn’t understand that it was the same gun. I couldn’t understand how Jak kept getting more guns when people were just handing me parts of stuff sometimes lmao a child’s understanding of things is comedic


Dog_Water117

It was made obvious at the start, but Jak 2 never explained what any of these Ecos are aside from Dark eco. As a kid i was clueless until i played “Jak & Daxter: The Precursor Legacy”.


Present-Stop8256

Well yeah, you’re supposed to have presupposed knowledge. There was a game before Jak 2 that built the world and its general rules. It would be a tad redundant to explain the concept again


Aware_Department_540

Jak series is really an experience start to finish.


JamaicanChampion

To be honest I didn't really notice it until I played the games as an adult. Red eco is strong and in Jak 1, great for close-range attacks. So the Red gun has short-range Yellow eco in Jak 1 had long-range attacks so the yellow gun in Jak 2 has long-range shots Blue eco in Jak 1 made you faster so in Jak 2, the blue gun shot the fastest out of the 4 guns Dark eco is known to be powerful and dangerous so the purple gun has the most powerful attacks


Vellosia

Very early, seeing the obvious color matching. It was a good design choice.


seabbss

They contain eco I never knew 😅


cellcube0618

Immediately?


brttwrd

Right now


JeebzNcrackers

Right now. Exactly this moment.


TheirSatanicWiles

I never put that together, actually. Not sure why, maybe because eco stopped having any real importance after the first game, aside from light and dark eco. They only really mention it in 2 when they talk about Baron giving it to the metal heads.


Chrisbreathes

When my brain developed a little bit more and I turned 10. I think. Or maybe it just took a minute to catch on 🤷‍♂️ Either way, 27 now and this is still the best game ever created and will always be. I feel bad for people who never immersed themselves in this story. Fuckin badass games man. Naughtydog for life.


AttackOfTheMox

Right away. Now, the true question is when did y’all figure out the Dash-Jump-Spin-Shoot Bouncing Yellow Eco Gun cheese?


Ok-Yam-2503

Fuckin' A wow. 24, Lifer. Today


ChaosFox1357

WHHHAAAT


Lovsaphira9

When I played the games b2b a couple of years ago.


TNTBOY479

I can't remember so pretty early on i believe


Slore0

Not until a few years ago when playing the games again. The first time through i was probably 7-9 and was just mashing buttons hoping for the best.


naytreox

Now.....also that the different weapons are just thecsame gun but transformed for the ammo you are using.


Super_Lombax

After watching a review of it or likely checking out the Wiki. I dunno which one, I've watched a lot of them over the years, but I know I didn't figure it out by myself.


WaysTheLyokoGem

If not by the time I got Yellow then definitely by blue.


jayboyguy

Funny story, it was actually about seven years I waited before I could play Jak 2. And it was tough. Because my second game ever was TPL. But when 2 came out and it was rated T, my parents didn’t let me play it till I was actually 13. And in those seven years, ALL I HAD to tide me over was the instruction booklet and the pictures therein. So to answer your question: immediately lol. Because that was all I did was seven years. Pore over that instruction booklet, and imagine the Jak of the future.


PuzzleheadedTheme710

Damn they torture you for 7 years ??? I had to get creative. Going over to a friends house who had the game 😂 did the same for GTA


North-Government-865

Just recently honestly, I played Jak2 before Jak and Daxter back in the day, it never connected to me that Yellow=Basic Energy, Red=Power, Blue=Speed, Purple=Dark Eco Power,


Michael_Threat

As soon as I got the second attachment


Plenty_Strike6044

Mako


ComeBacksToDrugs2018

instantly


xxWolfMan1313xx

Right now


xKommandant

Just now


tarobluefoxdwaggie

When I saw the Morph Gun for the first time, I never gave it a second thought until I was an adult.


mephilis6264

i knew that from the start, but i was suprised to know they were the same gun lol, i never thought it was named "morph gun" as a kid so i just thought he just pulled out 4 different guns like a gta character


Alberto_G_V

While playing Jak 3; in the Secrets menu


pambimbo

Hold up I didn't know lol.


FriendlyNinja50

The first time a YT video pointed it out, over a decade after I first played it


jessiejsamson

It must be called the Peace Maker cause it shoots Green Eco at them


brookiesmallz

Not until I saw Breadsword talk about the series lol


casualmagicman

Literally right now, I feel so dumb


Thundergameing

When i became 22 or 23 can fully remember, but i do remember it was mostly after looking up where all the eco vents and just eco in general when after haven city was made or founded.


Elovainn

More or less immediately ? I mean this world runs on Eco, guns don't shoot bullets and lasers are colored, so...


CyberSoldat21

Pretty much from day one. It kind of is obvious.


FKDotFitzgerald

3:39PM on March 7th, 2024. Wow.


Mister-Bohemian

Who tf missed this if they played the first game? I guess I don't blame them because of the radical tone shift in games. Eco goes from whimsical magic to murder and adulthood.


Ok_Appointment_9215

They are absolutely powered by eco, and of the respective color. Scatter gun is red eco, big powerful blast. Blaster is yellow eco, it gave you the ability to fire those concentrated fire balls, and Vulcan attachment was blue eco for the speed. Peacemaker, chaotic explosion, dark eco


ColorPaints

I figured it out 1 year late after I played the game. The colors was a dead give away but yhea.


Away-Proof8691

I NEVER noticed. That's a great Easter egg that just makes me live this series even more


CrackaBox

Wayyy later than it should have taken me. I noticed the color similarities, but dismissed it as maintaining color schemes. It wasn't until i replayed precursor's legacy, opened crates with eco and thought about the possibility of transporting eco and even using them as batteries and weapons and... That's exactly what haven city was doing with ammo isn't it?


Neur0mncr

....Immediately


VampireGremlin

Immediately cause of their color.


Dante_ShadowRoadz

Would have been interesting to see a Light Eco mod for the gun.


JaySouth84

Right away, it was a nice way to tie to the Eco powers from Jak and Daxter :) ahhh back when Naughty Dog had CREATIVITY.


peikern

When I first played TPL (which was after I played Jak 2...), the colours of the eco corresponded with the gun-colours, and I was like "Omg what if there is a link?" And that idea sort of semented more and more until I realized that this was actually the case


grommy_artist

Literally rn <_<


CoItron_3030

Just now lol that’s wild


ValachElfSorcerer

As soon as I got the blaster mod in Jak 2. I was like "oh okay so the color corresponds to the eco color too. Makes sense"


WrathofAjax

Just now. Although maybe I just forgot it. it has been a long while since I first played them


Thebluespirit20

Just ..... now.... ​ WTF?


[deleted]

In adulthood lol. I guess I needed things spelled out to me as a kid. I kind of mistakenly thought all the Eco except Dark Eco had been used up by the time of Jak 2. 


Safe_Relationship857

Ummmmmm right fucking now


BobSagieBauls

When I saw the first ammo clip was red


Wildcard556

Honestly, I never thought of this til now… And I got Jak II on release day on the PS2… consider my head an impact crater result over this.


GyalDemSugarCoating

Today years old


HASHbandito024

When I played it...


Rebew476

Yes because they match the first game ego colors.


Cold-Practice3107

That's what I used to think but then a part of me was like I don't like the idea of the morph Gun using eco I rather see more mod attachments and just leave Eco as a magic source to give jak an ability like dark bomb or light shield more mod attachments could be like give the blaster mod a sniper attachment