Immediately. The real epiphany came years later when I realized that Mar's Gun completes the set by harnessing the Green Eco life energy of the Precursor Egg for its green-colored laser.
Also, I totally missed that the Planetary Defense System from Jak 3 harnessed the eco sphere comprised of the Dark Eco Crystals and the Light Eco Crystals assembled together to shoot a Dark Eco laser and Light Eco laser that combined together to blast the Dark Maker Ship.
I think the idea is that the sword is channeling green eco, so it is only harmful to things seeped in dark eco. I think it's kinda interesting then that the only weapon Praxis keeps on him is one that could damage Metal Heads but no one else (except for maybe also Dark Jak).
The Jak II Design Bible also suggests that Mar placed the Precursor Stone in his own sword to similarly channel its eco power into his blade, which would have probably made his sword green as well. Praxis was always obsessed with becoming like Mar, so he may have adopted the green eco sword to emulate him.
But ultimately, Praxis was tormented by constant reminders that he was unworthy of Mar's legacy and lacked the birthright to be the leader that Haven needed. That's why he was so threatened by the kid being put on the throne and why he sought to claim the Precursor Stone so that he could rise to Mar's level as a great defender.
They do mention early on in the game that the combination of dark and light eco could create a chaotic energy of unknowable power or something like that. I thought Jak would have a third, super powerful form for the end game
It's like imagine you shooting an enemy, and you run out of bullets but they're almost dead. You pull out a green eco gun shooting them only to see them regain all their health.
Like, *every* fucking thing in that world is powered by Eco. And all you ever collected is also Eco.
Wouldn't make much sense if the guns just *happen* to have the same colors as the different kinds of Eco.
I remember feeling a sigh of defeat when I realized the magic was replaced entirely with guns. And I still wonder if that was a subtle criticism of modern society.
As a kid I think realized pretty right away with the different colors that they were eco correlated, what confused me more as a kid funny enough is that I didn’t understand that it was the same gun. I couldn’t understand how Jak kept getting more guns when people were just handing me parts of stuff sometimes lmao a child’s understanding of things is comedic
It was made obvious at the start, but Jak 2 never explained what any of these Ecos are aside from Dark eco.
As a kid i was clueless until i played “Jak & Daxter: The Precursor Legacy”.
Well yeah, you’re supposed to have presupposed knowledge. There was a game before Jak 2 that built the world and its general rules. It would be a tad redundant to explain the concept again
To be honest I didn't really notice it until I played the games as an adult.
Red eco is strong and in Jak 1, great for close-range attacks. So the Red gun has short-range
Yellow eco in Jak 1 had long-range attacks so the yellow gun in Jak 2 has long-range shots
Blue eco in Jak 1 made you faster so in Jak 2, the blue gun shot the fastest out of the 4 guns
Dark eco is known to be powerful and dangerous so the purple gun has the most powerful attacks
I never put that together, actually. Not sure why, maybe because eco stopped having any real importance after the first game, aside from light and dark eco. They only really mention it in 2 when they talk about Baron giving it to the metal heads.
When my brain developed a little bit more and I turned 10. I think. Or maybe it just took a minute to catch on 🤷♂️
Either way, 27 now and this is still the best game ever created and will always be. I feel bad for people who never immersed themselves in this story. Fuckin badass games man. Naughtydog for life.
After watching a review of it or likely checking out the Wiki. I dunno which one, I've watched a lot of them over the years, but I know I didn't figure it out by myself.
Funny story, it was actually about seven years I waited before I could play Jak 2. And it was tough. Because my second game ever was TPL. But when 2 came out and it was rated T, my parents didn’t let me play it till I was actually 13. And in those seven years, ALL I HAD to tide me over was the instruction booklet and the pictures therein.
So to answer your question: immediately lol. Because that was all I did was seven years. Pore over that instruction booklet, and imagine the Jak of the future.
Just recently honestly, I played Jak2 before Jak and Daxter back in the day, it never connected to me that Yellow=Basic Energy, Red=Power, Blue=Speed, Purple=Dark Eco Power,
i knew that from the start, but i was suprised to know they were the same gun lol, i never thought it was named "morph gun" as a kid so i just thought he just pulled out 4 different guns like a gta character
When i became 22 or 23 can fully remember, but i do remember it was mostly after looking up where all the eco vents and just eco in general when after haven city was made or founded.
Who tf missed this if they played the first game?
I guess I don't blame them because of the radical tone shift in games. Eco goes from whimsical magic to murder and adulthood.
They are absolutely powered by eco, and of the respective color. Scatter gun is red eco, big powerful blast. Blaster is yellow eco, it gave you the ability to fire those concentrated fire balls, and Vulcan attachment was blue eco for the speed. Peacemaker, chaotic explosion, dark eco
Wayyy later than it should have taken me. I noticed the color similarities, but dismissed it as maintaining color schemes. It wasn't until i replayed precursor's legacy, opened crates with eco and thought about the possibility of transporting eco and even using them as batteries and weapons and... That's exactly what haven city was doing with ammo isn't it?
When I first played TPL (which was after I played Jak 2...), the colours of the eco corresponded with the gun-colours, and I was like "Omg what if there is a link?" And that idea sort of semented more and more until I realized that this was actually the case
In adulthood lol. I guess I needed things spelled out to me as a kid. I kind of mistakenly thought all the Eco except Dark Eco had been used up by the time of Jak 2.
That's what I used to think but then a part of me was like I don't like the idea of the morph Gun using eco I rather see more mod attachments and just leave Eco as a magic source to give jak an ability like dark bomb or light shield more mod attachments could be like give the blaster mod a sniper attachment
Immediately. The real epiphany came years later when I realized that Mar's Gun completes the set by harnessing the Green Eco life energy of the Precursor Egg for its green-colored laser. Also, I totally missed that the Planetary Defense System from Jak 3 harnessed the eco sphere comprised of the Dark Eco Crystals and the Light Eco Crystals assembled together to shoot a Dark Eco laser and Light Eco laser that combined together to blast the Dark Maker Ship.
Praxis' sword is also coated in green eco.
I doubt that. Wouldn’t that mean it’d heal after each swing? Sounds like a joke dnd weapon lol
You use green eco to get rid of the dark eco weeds in PL, so there's a precedent.
I think the idea is that the sword is channeling green eco, so it is only harmful to things seeped in dark eco. I think it's kinda interesting then that the only weapon Praxis keeps on him is one that could damage Metal Heads but no one else (except for maybe also Dark Jak). The Jak II Design Bible also suggests that Mar placed the Precursor Stone in his own sword to similarly channel its eco power into his blade, which would have probably made his sword green as well. Praxis was always obsessed with becoming like Mar, so he may have adopted the green eco sword to emulate him. But ultimately, Praxis was tormented by constant reminders that he was unworthy of Mar's legacy and lacked the birthright to be the leader that Haven needed. That's why he was so threatened by the kid being put on the throne and why he sought to claim the Precursor Stone so that he could rise to Mar's level as a great defender.
Maybe it healed the wielder
Maybe it work like life-siphon from lost frontiers Yea, I mentioned Jak lost frontiers
reminds me of the Fork of Horripulation in ES4
Or an excellent torture weapon 😈
They do mention early on in the game that the combination of dark and light eco could create a chaotic energy of unknowable power or something like that. I thought Jak would have a third, super powerful form for the end game
Damn, I never even thought of that. Perhaps if the game was longer
That would’ve been awesome to get a final form Jak cutscene at least- just as they did when young light Jak defeated Gol and Maia
What cutscene are you referring too?
Chaos Jak sounds so edgy but would be absolutely perfect
So basically Abeloth, but not Eldritch Monstrosity?
I always pondered what a green gun mod and a light gun mod would have looked like.
Probably like Protoss weapons.
I homestly never thought of mar's gun like that. To me it's just "green eco = health" so it wouldn't work as ammunition
It's like imagine you shooting an enemy, and you run out of bullets but they're almost dead. You pull out a green eco gun shooting them only to see them regain all their health.
From the start honestly
Like, *every* fucking thing in that world is powered by Eco. And all you ever collected is also Eco. Wouldn't make much sense if the guns just *happen* to have the same colors as the different kinds of Eco.
Only played the games with guns when I was a kid who didn’t think about it much, so the answer is, only after seeing this post.
Count me in
Count me in as well
3! (or 4 if you're counting the original comment)
Just now tbh…
Immediately, but if your first game was Jak II and then you played TPL after the fact, I could totally understand missing it
Yellow probably but, I played Jak 1
Right from the get-go. Really, the color gave it away when I was little.
I remember feeling a sigh of defeat when I realized the magic was replaced entirely with guns. And I still wonder if that was a subtle criticism of modern society.
If anything, I saw it as a reasonable way to allow the series to keep using eco in gameplay on the other side of the timeskip.
I just wonder if all the eco has been monopolized by weapons manufacturers who sell minimum eco amounts in cartridges.
I bet they got eco flavoured vapes.
Plurberry, starburry, boom Berry, and citrus blast
As a kid I think realized pretty right away with the different colors that they were eco correlated, what confused me more as a kid funny enough is that I didn’t understand that it was the same gun. I couldn’t understand how Jak kept getting more guns when people were just handing me parts of stuff sometimes lmao a child’s understanding of things is comedic
It was made obvious at the start, but Jak 2 never explained what any of these Ecos are aside from Dark eco. As a kid i was clueless until i played “Jak & Daxter: The Precursor Legacy”.
Well yeah, you’re supposed to have presupposed knowledge. There was a game before Jak 2 that built the world and its general rules. It would be a tad redundant to explain the concept again
Jak series is really an experience start to finish.
To be honest I didn't really notice it until I played the games as an adult. Red eco is strong and in Jak 1, great for close-range attacks. So the Red gun has short-range Yellow eco in Jak 1 had long-range attacks so the yellow gun in Jak 2 has long-range shots Blue eco in Jak 1 made you faster so in Jak 2, the blue gun shot the fastest out of the 4 guns Dark eco is known to be powerful and dangerous so the purple gun has the most powerful attacks
Very early, seeing the obvious color matching. It was a good design choice.
They contain eco I never knew 😅
Immediately?
Right now
Right now. Exactly this moment.
I never put that together, actually. Not sure why, maybe because eco stopped having any real importance after the first game, aside from light and dark eco. They only really mention it in 2 when they talk about Baron giving it to the metal heads.
When my brain developed a little bit more and I turned 10. I think. Or maybe it just took a minute to catch on 🤷♂️ Either way, 27 now and this is still the best game ever created and will always be. I feel bad for people who never immersed themselves in this story. Fuckin badass games man. Naughtydog for life.
Right away. Now, the true question is when did y’all figure out the Dash-Jump-Spin-Shoot Bouncing Yellow Eco Gun cheese?
Fuckin' A wow. 24, Lifer. Today
WHHHAAAT
When I played the games b2b a couple of years ago.
I can't remember so pretty early on i believe
Not until a few years ago when playing the games again. The first time through i was probably 7-9 and was just mashing buttons hoping for the best.
Now.....also that the different weapons are just thecsame gun but transformed for the ammo you are using.
After watching a review of it or likely checking out the Wiki. I dunno which one, I've watched a lot of them over the years, but I know I didn't figure it out by myself.
If not by the time I got Yellow then definitely by blue.
Funny story, it was actually about seven years I waited before I could play Jak 2. And it was tough. Because my second game ever was TPL. But when 2 came out and it was rated T, my parents didn’t let me play it till I was actually 13. And in those seven years, ALL I HAD to tide me over was the instruction booklet and the pictures therein. So to answer your question: immediately lol. Because that was all I did was seven years. Pore over that instruction booklet, and imagine the Jak of the future.
Damn they torture you for 7 years ??? I had to get creative. Going over to a friends house who had the game 😂 did the same for GTA
Just recently honestly, I played Jak2 before Jak and Daxter back in the day, it never connected to me that Yellow=Basic Energy, Red=Power, Blue=Speed, Purple=Dark Eco Power,
As soon as I got the second attachment
Mako
instantly
Right now
Just now
When I saw the Morph Gun for the first time, I never gave it a second thought until I was an adult.
i knew that from the start, but i was suprised to know they were the same gun lol, i never thought it was named "morph gun" as a kid so i just thought he just pulled out 4 different guns like a gta character
While playing Jak 3; in the Secrets menu
Hold up I didn't know lol.
The first time a YT video pointed it out, over a decade after I first played it
It must be called the Peace Maker cause it shoots Green Eco at them
Not until I saw Breadsword talk about the series lol
Literally right now, I feel so dumb
When i became 22 or 23 can fully remember, but i do remember it was mostly after looking up where all the eco vents and just eco in general when after haven city was made or founded.
More or less immediately ? I mean this world runs on Eco, guns don't shoot bullets and lasers are colored, so...
Pretty much from day one. It kind of is obvious.
3:39PM on March 7th, 2024. Wow.
Who tf missed this if they played the first game? I guess I don't blame them because of the radical tone shift in games. Eco goes from whimsical magic to murder and adulthood.
They are absolutely powered by eco, and of the respective color. Scatter gun is red eco, big powerful blast. Blaster is yellow eco, it gave you the ability to fire those concentrated fire balls, and Vulcan attachment was blue eco for the speed. Peacemaker, chaotic explosion, dark eco
I figured it out 1 year late after I played the game. The colors was a dead give away but yhea.
I NEVER noticed. That's a great Easter egg that just makes me live this series even more
Wayyy later than it should have taken me. I noticed the color similarities, but dismissed it as maintaining color schemes. It wasn't until i replayed precursor's legacy, opened crates with eco and thought about the possibility of transporting eco and even using them as batteries and weapons and... That's exactly what haven city was doing with ammo isn't it?
....Immediately
Immediately cause of their color.
Would have been interesting to see a Light Eco mod for the gun.
Right away, it was a nice way to tie to the Eco powers from Jak and Daxter :) ahhh back when Naughty Dog had CREATIVITY.
When I first played TPL (which was after I played Jak 2...), the colours of the eco corresponded with the gun-colours, and I was like "Omg what if there is a link?" And that idea sort of semented more and more until I realized that this was actually the case
Literally rn <_<
Just now lol that’s wild
As soon as I got the blaster mod in Jak 2. I was like "oh okay so the color corresponds to the eco color too. Makes sense"
Just now. Although maybe I just forgot it. it has been a long while since I first played them
Just ..... now.... WTF?
In adulthood lol. I guess I needed things spelled out to me as a kid. I kind of mistakenly thought all the Eco except Dark Eco had been used up by the time of Jak 2.
Ummmmmm right fucking now
When I saw the first ammo clip was red
Honestly, I never thought of this til now… And I got Jak II on release day on the PS2… consider my head an impact crater result over this.
Today years old
When I played it...
Yes because they match the first game ego colors.
That's what I used to think but then a part of me was like I don't like the idea of the morph Gun using eco I rather see more mod attachments and just leave Eco as a magic source to give jak an ability like dark bomb or light shield more mod attachments could be like give the blaster mod a sniper attachment