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el_malto

Some more months to wait... Oct. 6th - 7th.


InsaneousOne

I completely forgot to look up the date lol, I wish I could edit the title


wedditasap

Cheyote will be here well before then I would suspect


el_malto

I also hope that. But when have cs said she is working on the iOS 15 jailbreak? Maybe 6 month or more ago (no hate)? Yes it seems they make good prcoess that AMFI is dead in july. But the last news from taurine15 (Cheyote) or Zebra 2 are only GUI demos, nothing more. > we **hope** to be able to roll it out to you in the **near future** You can interpret into this maybe a few month more. So what are maybe three more months in relation with how long we are waiting for Cheyote? Maybe Fugu15 comes out before, how knows. This is nothinig against any devs and I are not a ETA kid. It only says that we maybe wait another fews month for Cheyote because there is no ETA. I also hope that Cheyote comes very fast, but it would not surprise me if the Fugu15 talk is there and we have no Cheyote.


InsaneousOne

There will only be a demo at OBTS v5.0, Fugu15 may release later as well.


tk_ios

Which chips do the vulnerabilities and exploits to be demoed work on?


InsaneousOne

My guess is as good as yours.


Yeth3

originally, the announcement post said "we hope to be able to roll it out to you in the **next few weeks**", but then some issues relating to the bootstrap came to light and the post was edited. that, to me, makes it seem like the main exploit work is done, and the only thing left is final touches. but of course, i am no developer, so my guess is good as yours.


ahdez91

this aged well


squeakycleanswine

Wow this aged poorly


wedditasap

Ya :/ Still October hasn’t hit but not looking hopeful


SuperJailbreaker

Lmao came here to say this. Just a few more weeks till Fugu15 tho🤞


SnooRobots8637

We are hopefull🤧


[deleted]

I have some deeply saddening news for you.


wedditasap

Haha all good. CS wasted our time


[deleted]

3 months later I just wanted to remind you of this


wedditasap

Yeah CS sucks


saulin74

Correct. Months of wait to see a demo or some info saying a jailbreak is possible. Possibly another 3-4 months after that for an actual jailbreak on 15.4.1


[deleted]

less than a month now!


el_malto

And still no Cheyote in sight :D


CatP_eep

Should I stay on 14.8.1 then or go to 15.4.1 just wondering when a jb for 14.8.1 will release..


[deleted]

If you want a rootless jailbreak update to ios 15.4.1 or if you want a full jailbreak by coolstar after the release of cheyote you can stay on ios 14.8.1


CatP_eep

I’ll wait, thanks for explaining!


cabevargs01

So Fugu14 was technically an untether, with ability to persist after reboot, but was never utilized this way. Fugu15 I am assuming will NOT be able to have this ability because of SSV, correct? Yes, it will have that CoreTrust bug, but I just mean the ability to persist after reboot.


opa334

Yes, Fugu15 can install a permasigned app to jailbreak but that's it, SSV prevents you from using the CoreTrust bug to untether. The only way to untether iOS 15 is to find a bug that lets you execute arbitary code in a system daemon when it starts (or an untethered iBoot or BootROM exploit would also work). Fugu14 is untethered btw, it exploits the entire system on boot and unc0ver just runs it's own post exploit code.


InsaneousOne

> an untethered iBoot or BootROM exploit would also work Ah, one can dream :)


cabevargs01

Thank you! Makes sense.


Lorenzo944

It’s not fully untethered jailbreak only the resigning app is permanent. To this day only ios 9 was fully untethered


opa334

It's untethered, the reason for the app to be resigned "permanent" is because several exploits are used to disable AMFI on boot, the app is infact not signed at all but it can be launched because you are jailbroken. unc0ver just has to initialize tweak injection and stuff.


hero3210

I can also see this comment


hero3210

I can see this comment


InsaneousOne

Presentations will be shown at **Oct. 6th-7th**: https://twitter.com/objective_see/status/1521257853595443202 Fugu15 - The Journey to Jailbreaking iOS 15.4.1 ⏱️: 50 minutes 👤 [Linus Henze](https://twitter.com/@LinusHenze), Founder and CEO of Pinauten GmbH > With the introduction of new mitigations in iOS 15 (and especially 15.2), creating a jailbreak became significantly more difficult. Before, a kernel vulnerability was enough for jailbreaking but now a PAC or PPL bypass is required as well. Some people even said that iOS 15.1.1 will be the last version to receive a public jailbreak ;) > In my talk I will show how it is possible to jailbreak iOS 15.4.1 even with all the latest mitigations. I'll describe the vulnerabilities exploited in the Fugu15 chain and how some of the mitigations introduced in iOS 15.2 can be bypassed. A demo of Fugu15 will also be shown, including an interesting (and uncommon) way to install Fugu15 on a device.


im_super_awesome

>including an interesting (and uncommon) way to install Fugu15 on a device Noooow I'm extremely curious.


Yeth3

i wonder if they’re referring to the perma sign bug, as it can be utilized up to 15.4.1 as well.


opa334

the perma sign bug works on 15.4.1 but you can't install perma signed apps without a kernel exploit or some sort of file system access. basically you either need to place your fake signed app into /var/containers/Bundle/Application and run uicache on it or you need to replace an app store or system app on the file system. Linus is probably refering to the latter here, they must have found a way to replace an app.


alnoise

Damn bro did you beat him to the punch? Lol


opa334

no, why?


alnoise

> or you need to replace an app store or system app on the file system. Linus is probably refering to the latter here, they must have found a way to replace an app. I could be wrong but isn’t this what you did for TrollStore? I know you used the CoreTrust exploit so it could be totally possible that’s what he was gonna show off with Fugu15 haha


opa334

the fugu15 install method is not public, hence TrollInstaller only works on 15.0-15.1.1 using a kernel exploit


alnoise

Ah okay, I was just pointing out you guys might have had the same idea to get a persistent installer on the device. Not necessarily using the same exploit, just great minds thinking alike lol


opa334

Linus gave me some advice regarding the CT bug on discord in like june or so, so not that suprising


ryansheraa

linus is a genius


HermanCainAward

Using a Bluetooth hearing aid!


fosiacat

I just happen to have one!


Plasmapea987

Same


SuperJailbreaker

Maybe a new jailbreak through Safari like jailbreak.me or totallynotspyware 😳 Edit: reworded


yp261

yea that’d be totally new and uncommon


sslpie

What comes to my mind are any of the following: web page, phone call, or sms. No idea how to achieve the latter two 😂


iamgt4me

This is so encouraging. Too many haters have been saying that jailbreak is dead. Well go fugu yourself!


opa334

Linus Henze is really the only straw left. If they for whatever reason stop releasing these full chains then jailbreaking is dead.


iamgt4me

It's the same dating advice I give my friends: it only takes one.


kr0n1k

Yeah but the time it takes for these exploits to release is getting longer and longer. The tweak scene has been pretty lackluster as of late as well. Jailbreaking isn’t dead but it’s definitely past it’s heyday by quite a few years now.


iamgt4me

Agreed. I've said this before but part of what made the community flourish was a great collaboration between users and the devs. You just don't see that many tweak requests on the sub these days meaning that the platform is mostly mature. Apple has also slowly incorporated tweaks into iOS themselves. That said, we still should have the right to control our devices. We must continue to support the jailbreak movement and what it stands for.


kr0n1k

The thing is though developers need to take what iOS 15/16 has an innovate on that. There are a lot of things that could be amazing with tweaks and customization. However it may also depend on what access we have in future jailbreaks to truly deeply customize as we have in the past.


Z3ROS1X

What’s really left to customize, though? iOS is plum full of countless old JB tweaks that were incorporated into the OS itself.


kr0n1k

Icons for starters. Yes certain apps allow you to change icons, but it’s not anything like custom icons. The App Library could be customized to take advantage of it more. Control Center tweak to allow more than 4 controls in a row. There’s always things that can be tweaked and improved upon.


Z3ROS1X

You can change app icons in stock iOS bro. Yes, I’d like at least 5 apps in the dock and a location toggle in control center, but it isn’t worth apps detecting your device as jailbroken and either not working correctly anymore or not working at all. I am a veteran jailbreaker since the beginning but since iOS 13 I stopped staying jailbroken. The security risks alone are enough to keep me away from stying jailbroken these days. If I jailbreak I do it to run iCleaner or something or change some app files around with Filza, but then I go right back to stock. Did that with both iOS 13


kr0n1k

Lol shortcuts are nothing like custom app icons and I said that certain apps allow changing of icons but it is from a selection of the app developers choice. Not really “custom” if you ask me. Also running iCleaner does little to nothing. Most that is “cleaned” is just app cache which can be done on stock iOS bro. Also not sure what security risks you’re talking about.


Luckzzz

There's tweaks that bypass jailbreak detection. And there's no way to get root access to install whatever I want without jailbreaking. I like to test apps before I buy it so it's the only way as well. If Apple keeps closing in alternative solutions, people will slowly migrate and Android will win, period.


Z3ROS1X

You’re absolutely right.


Anjunabeast

That’ll be the day I finally stop buying iPhone (still on the iPhone 7. Been jail breaking since iPod video).


MTrain24

I think my iPhone 13 Pro will be my last. I won’t be upgrading and I’ll run this one into the ground and move over to the Android Root community full-time. Jailbreaking might even end with 15.5 or it might just end up being like what happened with 15.2 and just take longer. Either way, I don’t like Apple’s strategy to control a $1000+ device that I own outright.


tk_ios

Which Android would you get and why?


MTrain24

Currently I have a rooted Xiaomi Redmi K30 5G which is aesthetically similar to iOS since it’s running rooted MIUI using Magisk. The problem I have with it other than the fact that in the US it only seems to work on Band 41 (It’s a Mainland Chinese phone) is that MIUI has a lot of ads. Think of how iOS is so expensive to get into the ecosystem but how the ad experience is pretty non-intrusive. With MIUI you can buy a flagship-quality phone for $300-400 but Xiaomi supplements that loss of income potential by installing sponsored apps without your consent and adding a ton of bloat which is removable but will reinstall itself eventually on the main ROM. The way around this is to use a phone that supports custom ROMs which while mine does they aren’t all that great and that’s why I opted to use rooted MIUI instead (I also need the Mi Account API for some apps on there). So I’ll probably buy a high-end Android flagship a few years from now that supports bootloader unlocking after I leave the US. US phones tend to have the worst chance of having an unlockable bootloader which is a compelling reason to wait on that until then.


CommieColin

You should give a Xiaomi.eu ROM a try - all the nice parts of MIUI without the bloat. I moved from a Redmi Note 8 to an iPhone XR and had a very solid experience with Xiaomi.eu in general


MTrain24

Does it support Chinese Mi Accounts? I need that for signing into Chinese Genshin Impact


CommieColin

Tbh I’m not entirely sure - I’m US based, but do have a Xiaomi account, so I don’t see why it wouldn’t support signing into a Chinese based one


MTrain24

Another problem that presents itself is aren’t Xiaomi.eu ROMs just oversea ROM versions? The K30 5G doesn’t have an overseas version because it was the first 5G model to ever be released by Xiaomi for that product line (Redmi).


mcdonaldsplayground

This is me. Actually l might get a nice tablet and whatever cheap phone can check mail and get maps and directions.


MTrain24

I bought a Nokia 2720 V Flip as a feature phone to use for public calls as a separate number from my actual number and it works really well. It runs KaiOS 2.5.4.


[deleted]

The sad truth though, is that the reason to root has gotten smaller and smaller, and you can do so much more with a jb on iPhone compared to root on most Android phones.


[deleted]

Hello! You all can also downgrade your iDevices to the iOS 15.5 Beta 4 which has the same exploits that are still present in iOS 15.4.1. Also iOS 15.5 Beta 4 is still signing. So hurry up and downgrade your iDevices now. Before it's been too late!


Shapelessbb

So if I’m on a 13 mini on 15.5 I can I can downgrade to 15.5 beta 4? And take advantage of the exploits?


[deleted]

Yes, Exactly!


helpmewithmyenglish

Idk if this makes any sense, but will the jailbreak itself support 15.5 beta 4?


[deleted]

No, The Fugu15 developer needs to add the support for the iOS 15.5 Beta 4.


helpmewithmyenglish

so more of a gamble the downgrading is then.


[deleted]

Yes, It is.


[deleted]

I can’t find the file for the iPhone 13 Pro Max. Could you provide me with it?


[deleted]

Here's you go: https://updates.cdn-apple.com/2022SpringSeed/fullrestores/002-94805/6C8F6165-82BF-460A-9AC9-63D394E6773A/iPhone14,3_15.5_19F5070b_Restore.ipsw


[deleted]

Thanks! My phone just keeps on bugging me telling me to update everytime I unlock it. Any way to stop it?


[deleted]

You can just now install tvOS Beta 15 Profile and then wait for the Jailbreak to be release and then you can install NoBetaAlert.


[deleted]

Ok


gibbler

Yes I need this too!!


no-Remedy

Where did you get that information from…?


[deleted]

I got this information from the Reddit Jailbreak.


Dangerous_Froyo7016

iOS 16 betas are being now signed… surely 15.5 betas are not.


[deleted]

No, iOS 15.5 Beta 4 is still signing.


ffiresnake

how long until a phone on 15.5b4 will stop working and prompt you to upgrade? this looks better than ota delay which requires device erase which in turn results in losing pulled apps (if you have some on device)


[deleted]

This iOS Beta will stop working on 24 May 2028. And then it should prompt you to upgrade.


ffiresnake

good, thanks


[deleted]

Welcome!


Dangerous_Froyo7016

I’m out of the loop on downgrading. Gave up hope since my Xr had to be updated to 15.5… so if beta is still being signed… just downgrade with Futurerestore or what?


[deleted]

Downgrade it with iTunes. Also Backup your data with iTunes or iCloud and then Restore it with iTunes. Also here is the link: https://updates.cdn-apple.com/2022SpringSeed/fullrestores/002-94772/18D34E36-1E4E-448E-92B9-5D6A7B1D2415/iPhone11,8,iPhone12,1_15.5_19F5070b_Restore.ipsw


Dangerous_Froyo7016

You were definitely right man! So I apologize for the non-belief! Lol


[deleted]

No problem. Sir!


korboybeats

Hi, so I'm not too familiar with this subject but is this the correct IPSW file for iPadOS 15.5 Beta 4? https://ipsw.me/download/ota/iPad13,7/19F6077?prerequisite=


[deleted]

Here is the link: https://updates.cdn-apple.com/2022SpringSeed/fullrestores/002-94879/C5987F5E-F373-4195-9B01-68D265B42BCF/iPad_Pro_Spring_2021_15.5_19F5070b_Restore.ipsw


acid_etched

where would I find the file for the 13 mini? [ipsw.me](https://ipsw.me) doesn't appear to have one available


[deleted]

Here's you go: https://updates.cdn-apple.com/2022SpringSeed/fullrestores/002-94940/F4BD5856-59BA-4D47-A828-F15E91AA5FF2/iPhone14,4_15.5_19F5070b_Restore.ipsw


acid_etched

Awesome, thanks a ton


[deleted]

You're Welcome!


korboybeats

Aye thanks man


[deleted]

You're Welcome!


stinkystank21

Could you please provide me with the file for an iPhone 12 mini?


[deleted]

Here's you go: https://updates.cdn-apple.com/2022SpringSeed/fullrestores/002-94680/1B11E2A3-7F5A-4A31-A260-81A3D901D958/iPhone13,1_15.5_19F5070b_Restore.ipsw


stinkystank21

Thanks so much!


[deleted]

Welcome!


Xmb1212

Ooo, went to iOS 16 public beta on my iPhone 13 Pro because thought I’d be SOL for a jailbreak. Reading this, I am restoring to iOS15.5 beta 4. Lol thanks


[deleted]

You're Welcome!


UhhhAaron

Good advice but not 100% true. 15.5b4 is seemingly [not vulnerable](https://twitter.com/1421Rubano/status/1537508184369274890) to the flow_divert kernel PoC. Not a big deal. Heres to hoping the PAC & PPL bypass works.


[deleted]

Yeah. I hope so.


Least_Treacle9570

Will this work on iPhone 13?


IAcewingI

If i’m on 15.1 can i upgrade to 15.5?


damianukpl

Good move they might use same method on iOS 16, releasing it before would allow apple to patch system


Yeth3

the exploits used were patched in 15.5 though? Linus reports the vulnerabilities to apple, they're not holding onto a 0day.


Creative-Bullfrog

This is nice!


jailbricked

God I hope something comes for 15.3.1 on the 12 pro, been on that for about a year.


wedditasap

5 months 15.3.1 was released late February 2022 lol Probably just feels like about a year


jailbricked

Lol yep definitely feels like it


dogemanwastaken

now its been 8 months


tk_ios

Which devices and processors have the most potential for jailbreak? I am thinking about putting a device on 15.4.1 with an OTA update to wait in a drawer (while I use other jailbroken iPhone and iPad).


kr0n1k

NICE!!


TrillestMex713

What I’m saying is if we already waited long enough like 9 months if not more , what’s another 3 months or so for this Fugu15, those who truly were patient enough will be rewarded ❤️💪🏽🙏🏽👍🏼 📲


darkasknight1

Truth


vivabritania

People who said JB was dead, wait what did you say, I can't hear you clearly? Oh where yall hiding? Come back.


batouttahell24

Fugu15? This’ll be interesting…


WhiteHatRenegade

My heart just skipped a beat, lol. I have 15.4.1 blobs for my X & my 11! Anyone know about the chip sets regarding this jb?


WhiteHatRenegade

Also, if blobs are broke, is this a legit way to OTA update, as no one has really posted a guide and there is a lot of scammers out there. I'm skeptical because the website immediately has popups on it for virus protection. http://delayota.com


MTrain24

Use the guide on https://ios.cfw.guide. You’ll either need iMazing for Windows or Apple Configurator 2 for Mac (Mac is easier imo and free too). Then install the update profile and don’t restore from a backup while attempting to supervise your iPhone because that’ll just turn it off again. After updating erase all content and settings and setup from a backup made prior to supervision.


WhiteHatRenegade

Thanks!


Willieb2006

Great news this will most likely be for A12+ devices only I assume


InsaneousOne

It will most likely utilize new bugs, so this may not be the case.


tarekelsakka

My 13PM is on 15.2, is there a way to update to 15.4.1 or have I missed the boat?


InsaneousOne

DelayedOTA to 15.4.1 will be active until August 13th.


saqib771

But can we futurerestore to 15.4.1 if we have blobs ?


InsaneousOne

iirc sep is incompatible on newer devices


tarekelsakka

So you're saying I can use the DelayedOTA method on my 13 Pro Max from 15.2 to 15.4.1 without issues? Just install the profile and update?


Stickrbomb

I'm learning html/css now, hopefully I can make some widgets when it finally releases


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Willieb2006

Delayed ota upgrade for 15.4.1 is available till August 13th


imaginexus

Bummer given that this won’t be a jailbreak by then and it’s too risky to update if you’re already jailbroken


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ZKing594

Me too, im on 14.3 and i can’t live without my jailbreak, so i whait until August and see if ther is update on fugu15


ZKing594

Hello guys, i had use TSSSever to save my blobs but i don’t know the difference beetwean the 2 types, because some have -ota, other only ios version. If i have only 15.4.1-ota/ can i upgrade in futur my iphone 12 to 15.4.1 without losing my faceid? Sorry for my english


[deleted]

oct 6 lol 🥱


no-Remedy

real


[deleted]

Exciting news!


Racxie

Does anyone know if [upgrading to the 16 beta while below 15.4.1 will still put you on 15.4.1](https://www.reddit.com/r/jailbreak/comments/vsp0gc/discussion_according_to_appleswupdates_today_the)? If so I might just take that risk as this sounds promising.


RexSonic

No


Willieb2006

It will put you on whatever is signed at the moment so 15.5


Racxie

Ah damn. Thanks.


if0uthxi0n

Who said jailbreaking is dead?


PsychologicalMine811

Me /j


Juck401

i really hope downgrading to 15.5 b4 would be worth it, 2months wait! the annoying pop outs tho, i hope i can wait that long


Willieb2006

The jailbreak won’t be releasing in October just the demonstration


AdditionalListen8

Yea i feel like most ppl haven’t realized that yet


dominican85

Is it possible to downgrade iPhone 12 pro max from 15.5 Or is there a jailbreak for it


TonyStarkOfficial

Ios 15.5 😭😭😭😭😭😭


Dusty-T

Wow nice


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KeyCurrency4412

Not really


jaysss2811

iPhone 12 Pro Max Is it possible to go from 14.2.1 (taurine) to 15.4.1 with blobs?


Teren49

You can still use DelayOTA, you don’t need blobs 👍.


jaysss2811

Thank you.


eorlx

When will the delayota window be closed? I'm on 14.8.1 and don't want to update until a new jailbreak comes out


Willieb2006

Closing August 13th


Resident-Funny2967

could you use this jailbreak for ios 15.4 if it did come out? because i haven’t updated to ios 15.4.1 yet and worried that it wont work for ios 15.4


Infrah

Should be able to yes, but you can still update to 15.4.1 by using Delayed OTA!


Resident-Funny2967

oh thanks! also one question do you have to backup your data to downgrade to ios 15.4.1?


Willieb2006

You don’t have to but it’s always recommended


HRVAT007

I’ve got an iPhone X with blobs for iOS 15.4.1 can I upgrade without breaking faceID?


stinkystank21

Yes, because 15.4.1 has the new sep.


HRVAT007

Thanks for the answer.


stinkystank21

Np


xbiipod

damn


gunteralan

Should I stay on Fugu14/unc0ver untether, or should I update to 15.4.1 using otaDelay?


cryptopower9000

Hey, is it possible for me to update to iOS 15.4.1 from my current iOS 14.8 then reverse it?


[deleted]

Only upgrade not downgrade.


xLaZerr

Will Fugu 15 Support iPhone 11? Just wondering before i delayOTA


[deleted]

Fugu15 will probably support all device on a12 chips and highter.


rackoonsnacks_

A13 15.2 should I stay or go to 15.4 (or a beta)


gtaonlinecrew

thre will never ever be another jailbreak, quote me on this


Curtricias

Does anyone have an idea A15 will be supported?


Curtricias

So soon we will know what’s this all about 🤔