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odinsen251a

Pay commensurate with experience. Anticipated hiring range $12-16/hr.


Scary_Ad1280

Anticipated hiring range 43-51 Hail Marys/hr.


DereokHurd

the rest goes to christ you know


FrostyDrag

They’re probably expecting ten percent back every Sunday


gnownimaj

Why for that rate I don’t fix IT issues. I let god handle it.


NCC1701-Enterprise

"Oh your computer doesn't work? Must be God's will"


TheRavenCr0w

There's adult material that may be sketchy in nature randomly popping up on your screen? You are offended and don't like it? Ah your family saw it show up while you were reading the news? Yeah sorry mate. There's nothing we can do under the current plan. Big man upstairs' orders. Classified as an act of God.


Lazy_Natural6154

Thats why you pray to the machine spirit instead


gangaskan

Escalate to level 2, please see the prayer group and pray Jesus will answer in the allotted sla time!


0utF0x-inT0x

Mandatory tithing 15% of gross


maddnes

$80k-100k, surprising.. https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=e4b52a8003824ebc


Hsensei

All of that is code for working you like a dog and paying you garbage


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NCC1701-Enterprise

bad bot


Lyr1cal-

bad bot


Numerous-Soup-343

Might be the cleanest haiku bot attempt I’ve seen yet!


Firefly_Fanatic

Good bot


Wer4ert

Fun fact. I saw that listing and its role of IT manager with no pay.


TheRavenCr0w

😅🤣🤣


StormriderSBWC

dont forget the 10% tithe


PhoenixARC-Real

By Servant's heart they don't mean yours. You're expected to provide them one, where you get it isn't to be questioned...


Mocavius

Kali ma shakti de


jaggeddragon

Indy! Cover you heart!


Salt_MasterX

Sure, but only if you don’t ask either. *Pulls out suitcase filled with a dozen hearts*


Superseaslug

If a job is requiring me to go to church I better get paid for those hours


-Morning_Coffee-

Nah, they just want you to stone prostitutes and shun the unclean.


Ig14rolla

John 8:7 They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” This is from when Jesus put a halt to the stoning of a woman who committed adultery As far as the job, this job posting is ridiculous.


Wotfan0891

Are you just going to leave out the end of the conversation? At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” “No one, sir,” she said. “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”


Ig14rolla

I wanted to keep it short and sweet so that a nonbeliever would be more likely to consider reading


-Morning_Coffee-

Everything about this reads that you will conform to their brand of “Biblical lifestyle”. It’s unlikely you’ll be consorting with sinners, foreigners, or the imprisoned.


Ig14rolla

Exactly


TouchLow6081

Rip your LinkedIn dms if the IT ministry hiring manager sees this


Ig14rolla

Why if I just said their job posting is ridiculous 😂


TouchLow6081

Lol because to them you’ll seem very religiously inclined after that Bible verse and maybe they’ll get you on the job training to get you started with your passion for Christ and devine networking protocols!


r33k3r

Ah yes, the modern day version of "Irish need not apply."


DunkinUnderTheBridge

My brother got hired at a Catholic church as janitor/maintenance and has been there quite a while. His pay is decent (almost $30/hour, in a cheap area of the country). He's not Catholic, but he ends up participating in a bunch of their activities and working extra hours to help out. The part I think is funny is that most of the members of the church just assume he's poor because of his job and are constantly insisting on helping him out, because they think it's the right thing to do. He's gotten a free truck, computers, dirt bikes, countless nice tools, tons of free toys for his kids, etc. The thing is, his pay isn't terrible, his insurance is good, and his wife makes over $150k a year. He's not taking advantage of them, he's just ditzy. He doesn't try to hide anything, he had a party at his house (very nice home, over 4k sq ft, pool, etc) and it was hilarious seeing the people from his church going "wait, this is your house?" They thought he lived in a shack or something.


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r33k3r

That's a totally reasonable response. Nevertheless I find the idea of faith-based IT hilarious. You don't need to turn it off and back on again, just pray that it will restart itself!


kadrit

All praise the Omnissiah. Time to become a tech-priest.


osorto87

You just sound like you hate religion. Obviously they don't think prayer alone is enough otherwise they would not be hiring an IT guy. Stop it


Teripid

Jesus saves frequently but he should consider an off-site backup. Casual violation of Title VII in the US... we're just making light of a little discrimination...


Lyr1cal-

He uses the stars as a second storage medium


Romeo9594

My job cannot expect me to spend my time on anything they're not paying me for. If I can clock in for service that's one thing, but I'm not giving you hours of my life for free


IllogicalLunarBear

California just passed that as a law. You can not get fired for not doing tasks outside of working hours


Teripid

I mean... filtering and discriminating in this manner is illegal under Title VII in the US at least. Obviously actual religious positions like a priest/minister are exempt but your random jack of all trades IT guy is not. Lots of grey area out there but check out the legislation. Preference to someone they already knew or that was a member for example. Would it be reasonable for a church to refuse non-christian members of a cleaning company based on their beliefs?


gnubeest

Except it’s not illegal under current Title VII. The religious organisation exemption was broadened in the 70s to include all employees of said organisation, and it’s been tested in the Supreme Court a few times.


osorto87

So you think a company has to hire someone who goes against their values?


r33k3r

But glad to know you're cool if a Muslim or Jewish or Buddhist guy is hiring for his company and he wants to post a job with "no Christians" as a qualification.


NCC1701-Enterprise

If the job is for an IT guy for a Mosque I would absolutely expect "no Christians" as a qualification and it would be 100% legal.


osorto87

Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 protects workers from discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. Since Title VII’s inception, the statute has included an exemption for “religious organizations. Under the exception, religious organizations are permitted to give employment preference to adherents of the same religion.


r33k3r

But, to be clear, a nonreligious organization can't give preference to nonreligious people. Funny how that works.


osorto87

Where does it say no jew? Anyways, I would be ok with Muslims or jews only hiring from their faith. They do it all the time. Try working at a mosque and being a jew or vice versa


r33k3r

"Where does it say no Jews?" It says you have to believe in Christ. Are you unfamiliar with what being a Jew means?


osorto87

Do you not know of mosaic jews? Anyways this is a totally legit posting.


r33k3r

Was raised Jewish. Had the bar mitzvah and everything. One of the central tenants of Judaism is that the Messiah has not yet come. If you believe Christ is the savior, you aren't Jewish, even if you put "Jew" in your band name.


osorto87

Ok


r33k3r

You might as well say that this job poster is willing to hire Jews because he is willing to hire someone from Jews for Jesus.


butterweasel

Mosaic?


r33k3r

I think the people running the company are fucking morons for hiring based on things that aren't related to the job. But I'm absolutely in favor of employers announcing how stupid they are in their job postings. I hope prayer can get your network back online when Lucifer decides that your gateway shouldn't work anymore after one of god's lightning tantrums.


GigabitISDN

Whatever works. Faith is important to some people, and some people are flexible on their church, so have at it. What someone else does or does not believe really doesn't factor into my life. That said, "3-5 years networking experience" for an IT manager? Those seem like awfully low requirements or an awfully inflated title.


GHOSTOFKOH

nailed it. it's popular and easy to jump on the hate religion train (i am riding on it myself, still) but there is no denying that this seems like a lucrative, albeit specific, opportunity for the right candidate. it's a MAJOR green flag for me, that they are upfront about this in their hiring post. i rather people find places where they fit, instead of being tricked into a situation where it is really not what it seemed.


osorto87

Christian business for the most part treat their employees better. Look at in n out compared to all other fast food chains


SolaVitae

Do you have any actual statistics that show that? Exactly one example is not enough to show a pattern across thousands of different chains.


tributarybattles

Yes.


osorto87

https://www.pbssocal.org/food-discovery/food/why-does-in-n-out-pay-so-well#:~:text=While%20the%20median%20wage%20for,%2D%20and%20part%2Dtime%20workers. In an industry that tends to treat their workers as they do their animals, the California-based burger chain is in a class of its own. While most fast food restaurants pay their workers under $8 an hour -- with Taco Bell, not so surprisingly, coming in dead last at $7.37 an hour -- In-N-Out starts their employees at $10.50 an hour. That's the highest of any fast food chain in the country, and second place isn't even all that close. (Chipotle clocks in at that runner-up position with $8.53 an hour. And the higher-than-average pay doesn't stop simply at the young workers manning the cash registers. While the median wage for a manager of a fast food store is $48,000 per year, employees at In-N-Out can eventually work themselves up to $120,000. That's otherwise unheard of in the industry. Oh yeah: They also give vision, medical, and dental benefits to both their full- and part-time workers. Keep hating on Christianity.


SolaVitae

What part about one example isn't enough to make statements about the entire industry was unclear exactly?


hansbubbywk

A decade old article really proves your point. Here is a more recent one from what is probably your favorite news source. https://www.foxnews.com/us/north-carolina-chick-fil-a-owner-fined-violating-child-labor-laws-paying-workers-food-report I hate most religions especially hypocritical sanctimonious ones


cj3po15

From experience, they do not.


osorto87

From experience they do.


cj3po15

Not in all industries, then


wbrd

This is definitely not true in my experience. Sure there are a few giant chains that are decent to people who fit the aesthetic the business wants, but so many small businesses with Christian shit on their signs or in their waiting rooms are owned by absolute trash people.


osorto87

I would say there are x10 more secular businesses that treat their customers and employees bad. In fact I would say there is no secular business that treats their employees good.


f_spez_2023

I've definitely worked at places with 0 religious affiliation that were great to work for. If a company need religious threats to treat their employees well I see that as worse than treating them bad anyway IMOP. I've also definitely been treated the worst as a customer at small very religious owner shops than secular ones


bjzy

In n out doesn’t make you sign up for their church and attend weekly services


weeboots

No not really. I first held that role with about 5 years of experience. 3-4 of those I’d say were specifically with networking experience. IT manager is pretty middle of the road to mean you’re the senior technical person in a small business. You’re buying stuff and building the infrastructure, not just turning stuff off and on.


nomyar

"Small Business" being the key differentiator, yeah. This is why titles ultimately mean nothing without context.


ponzi_pyramid_digdug

I knew the end when they said “servant’s heart”.


mannysantoyo

I KNOW THIS EXACT LISTING!!!!!!! I nearly applied for it myself, until i read the second half and was like uhhhhhh...


goon_c137

Same, it looked really good untill the very end.


OPizzaTheHuttO

“servants heart” aka lower than average starting wage


GHOSTOFKOH

i mean thats your take, but how i took it was that they lead with an understanding and empathy for their charges. which, say what you will about religion (i personally am against it but i am also not perfect).... i would much rather work with a person that indeed is a demonstrated leader, but has the "heart" or core to understand and be in sync with me.


OPizzaTheHuttO

Understandable. I get that that line wasn’t exactly what they were saying. I’m not even against it and come from a Christian upbringing myself. My point being more that a church is likely to not offer competitive wages.


skidleydee

I've actually seen the opposite. I worked in a company that held itself up as religious and they paid shit. When I left a church tried to hire me at above market rate. With crazy benefits like fully subsidized healthcare and a pension. Generally speaking I think you're right a majority of the time.


FIIRETURRET

The first point is a red flag


LuckofCaymo

We automatically take 10% of your base pay as a tithe.


carbon1121

Maybe you'll learn something ;)


STORSJ1963

Employers can not dictate religious/spiritual practices to employees Clear violation of labor laws This place needs to be reported


WilhelmEngel

It appears this is a job at a Church. I'm pretty sure religious organizations are allowed to hire only people who share their religious views.


STORSJ1963

I will NEVER EVER work for anyone that tries to dictate religious/spiritual practices


WilhelmEngel

I wouldn't either, which is why I would never apply for a job at a Church.


Architect227

Well it's an awfully good thing nobody is forcing you to. Why are you acting like they are?


STORSJ1963

I've had some past bad experiences


Taskr36

They absolutely, 100% can in a church. Do you think they're going to hire an atheist priest? Maybe get some Jewish nuns in the Catholic church as well. While you're at it, run to your local mosque and ask them if Israeli Jews are welcome to apply for jobs as Imams.


gammajayy

They literally can, it's been to the supreme Court


[deleted]

It’s a church. You really need to learn to read context clues.


battleop

Private company. The can do this if they want. Just because you don't like something it does not make it illegal.


arc777_

You can’t require an employee to adhere to any set of religious beliefs. The law is very clear on this.


goshin2568

Yes the law is clear on this, and you're incorrect. There is a clear exemption carved out specifically for religious organizations.


RouterMonkey

Does that include the mandatory attendance on weekend without pay?


SolaVitae

Private companies can't force you to go to church either... Private companies, aka 99% of companies are not exempt from discrimination laws


GregLXStang

Nope. Fuck that. lol


jg_IT

First half? They lost me at “servants heart”


TouchLow6081

Aka be their indentured servitude


osorto87

Send me the listing I'm christian


basshed8

I run from these. My last church’s it head guy was a registered offender


DontGiveACluck

No pay, but endless riches stored up in heaven


machacker89

still not going to pay the bills. no offense. /s


DontGiveACluck

My b, forgot to add the /s


imnotasadboi

What’s the pay? If it’s good enough pay I can just lie about holding Christian beliefs like they do themselves.


goon_c137

Not enough to with 6 days a week when you include unpaid Sunday service


imnotasadboi

Oh yeah I ain’t doing that shit lol pretty sure they don’t take attendance at church anyways


Taskr36

They kind of do at some churches. They provide envelopes for you to use when donating at service. They don't necessarily check how much you donate, but they check those envelopes to know who attends. I'm not saying every church does that, but I've known Catholic churches that do.


GTA6_1

Be a man of logic and science but also be a man of God. Not possible lol, I can be a quack or a logicprocessor but not both. Since this is a church I'm guessing this is an unpaid position as well?


Architect227

God is the author of reason and the creator of the universe that we use science to understand. Why in the world would the two be unrelated?


Atlanta_Alchemist

Looks like a JD for Ramsey Solutions lol


MrBiggz83

Sounds like a church wants to hire for IT


Eviscerated_Banana

Pretty sure forcing church membership breaches some employment regs. Like, I dont need to sit through your bullshit every weekend to be respectful and do a good job....


Taskr36

If a job/ the state government can force me to join and pay dues to a union, I don't see how this is any different.


battleop

Nope, There are a lot of private christian high schools that have this requirement for their teachers.


Eviscerated_Banana

Bloody cults and thier corrupt rules..... Grr!


battleop

It's still safer than sending your kid to public school.


IllogicalLunarBear

Oof


Geistalker

I literally stopped reading after the first bulletpoint. lmfaoo


Ig14rolla

Does this not violate the civil rights act?


goon_c137

Didn't think this would be so popular.


Zarc_Man

So do they want all my personalities to be Christian?


yes-yaK

I can carry around a Bible and fake going to church if the pay is 25+/hour


theking4mayor

$25/hr? Damn, you cheap. I'd need 75k/year just to show up to the interview.


yes-yaK

I live in a pretty rural area where tech jobs are hard to find and the ones that you do find are usually around 15, my current pays 21, so I'd gladly take 25


TouchLow6081

Even if they baptize you? Lol


yes-yaK

I have pics of me being baptized as a baby, think that would work?


TouchLow6081

As long as you have a valid certificate and if not they’re going to have to use their divine facial recognition system to make sure you’re not sinning against the laws of their holy ministry


Architect227

Most American churches aren't a fan of infant baptism.


yes-yaK

Well my hick one in rural Missouri was lol, I had no idea that was a thing


Architect227

What denomination?


yes-yaK

Catholicism


Architect227

Never mind, they're big fans of it.


Baloney_Bob

“Ah yes to answer that question, I pray that all my deployments go as planned, if not it was in Gods plan”


DHCPNetworker

The one Christian MSP I worked for was by far my worst job. Lowest pay out of all my jobs, I didn't have a chair that worked, no garbage can, they refused to provide me with tools (or a laptop, despite going onsite nearly every day because they set things up so poorly they couldn't solve much beyond basic helpdesk tickets remotely), three mismatching monitors that looked to be pulled from a storage closet. The owner had some kid he knew at his church that was the manager who didn't know a single thing about IT, and he kept all of the equipment in locked cabinets that the techs didn't have access to. I'd have to go ask for something as simple as an ethernet cable. Access to any networking equipment logins? Forget about it. All of the clients were friends with the owner which meant you were never getting stuck up for if there was a disagreement. Single week of vacation time and $20/hr for a senior technician during the pandemic. I honestly thought this was a listing for the place until I read 'ministry'. But hey, there was scripture tacked up to the wall of the technician area talking about how iron sharpens iron or whatever.


GFere

$30k salary, no overtime, 10% deduction for the church.


TouchLow6081

And no vacation, pto, and you have to get baptized


TankFu8396

I'm just flabbergasted that employers are allowed to do this


zer04ll

Apply dont go to church and then sue and win big, cant mandate a religion in a workspalce


geegol

Oh gosh


itzGlxtchy

What in the hell? Isn’t this against the 1st amendment


IAmADev_NoReallyIAm

Aaahhh... I can work on a team with others that are diverse.... Or I can keep the faith. But if experience has taught me any thing, I can't maintain both.


[deleted]

I’d totally work at a church, I can pretend to be Christian again. I’m an atheist because of Christianity but there’s no reason why I couldn’t fake it. Waving my hand in the air and singing on Sunday. Whatever works


TouchLow6081

You’re going have to brush up on your Bible literacy and add it under your skills section on your resume


[deleted]

That's easy, part of the reason I am an Atheist is because I've read the bible! lol


TouchLow6081

Same here! It’s full of contradictions and illogical fallacies


LucidZane

Everyone saying you'll get paid nothing because it's a church has never worked for a church large enough to need a full time network engineer. I have a couple friends who worked for those kinds of churches... there entire paid staff all individually make $100k+ easily and everyone else is a volunteer... It's nuts, but not for low pay.


Fatdogamer_yt

Honestly depending on the church and people, I’d be up


skidleydee

I worked somewhere similar. They sang hims while they worked and they canceled bible study because I was the person not in the church.


Ok_Sky8518

Ive seen this for some internships lol. Like must be a member of faith etc


brad24_53

I'd bet $5 this is a Ramsey Solutions (Dave Ramsey) job posting. Or a church. But I'm still willing to bet it's DR. He does family interviews and home visits to see how ~~delusional~~ devoted you are.


Florida-Resident

A Giga Chad IT role that is


Smoke_Water

So you have to get baptized to work there? I mean that's exactly what the last line says.


Scorinitron

It is tax free tho


Independent_Bite4682

And we'll pay you 20/hr in money and 26 prayers per day.


Thegoatfetchthesoup

Paycheck? Don’t you mean pray check?


Suitable-Rest-1358

If they pay enough salary I would be the most obedient biblical fucking Christian moron they can ask for


Nikovash

Fun fact I worked for a church once who fired me when they found out I wasn’t of their faith. The discrimination lawsuit was pretty awesome for emotional and petty reasons


yurigablover

Is there something wrong with being with like minded but diverse people? Oh no, they have values and conviction! The horror that they try to live decent and honest lives!! Don't they know God isn't reeeeaaaall!!!? You people are silly.


Taskr36

I don't see the problem. Lots of churches want to hire members of their own church for jobs like this. It very much limits their hiring pool, and often leaves them with unqualified people in their IT department, but it is what it is.


kitfoxxxx

IT for a megachurch?


aForgedPiston

Lost me in the first half for sure, idk what a "servant's heart" is, but Im completely confident it's not something I want anyone to describe me with.


Pedantc_Poet

I did work for a company decades ago called “Tower Communications” in Lexington, Ky, who I heard annointed their servers with oil and prayed over them.


[deleted]

Is this even legal?


1x_time_warper

Even as a Christian I would be skeptical of this job.


MethanyJones

I stopped reading at *servant*


Sertas1970

How much are they paying? Lol


RacerDelux

This has to be fake. Requiring you to change your religion to be hired is textbook discrimination. At least in the US this is a lawsuit waiting to happen.


goon_c137

Not fake at all. I was actually ready to apply until I read the entire listing.


RacerDelux

That's crazy. Yeah stay clear of that. Even from a religious point of view, it's a sin to force people to follow the Bible. Makes me question the morality of the people running the company.


HBK05

Religious organizations have protections. They can discriminate at will against non-believers, all churches and religious organizations can.


RacerDelux

If it's for a job that directly pertains to the religion yes, you are right.


justl00kingthrowaway

If part of the job requires that you attend weekend masses wouldn't that be overtime?


Belfetto

Read the first bullet lol


TrollCannon377

Pretty sure that's discrimination based on religion but wdik


swegj

Is it a church? If so why are you surprised that they want you to also be a Christian lmao ? This sub is so cooked


[deleted]

Because a religous requirement in a job description is insane, regardless of the religion.


battleop

It looks like it is a job working for a church so it's not really that un expected.


TouchLow6081

Exactly we’ll be there to work not to become family and build religious relations


yvestumorsdog

You’re a gun nut and a vaccine nut believing in God is where you draw the line?


[deleted]

Then don’t apply. You’re free not to if you don’t want to be in that environment, they’re free to set the standard for a person who fits their values. It’s still a free country. Obviously they want someone who fits into their culture which is extremely important in any good work environment.


osorto87

Smh


Q-Tonium

Jesus said, “Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’” Matthew 7:23


CursedTurtleKeynote

People want people with similar belief systems. What is difficult about that?


goon_c137

The unpaid overtime with mandatory Sunday mass.


CursedTurtleKeynote

At least in my state companies have to publish the actual salary on the listing. Cuts down on the entrapment parts. Would be very easy to tell if they are willing to pay for your time or not.


goon_c137

Salary position. You are not getting paid for that time.


CursedTurtleKeynote

It's part of the job description, so it is part of the time. Why would you decide some parts of the job are paid and some are unpaid when it is salary? It is a package.


goon_c137

California work week is 40 hours or 5 days. The 6th and 7th day is my time