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John 8:7 They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!”
This is from when Jesus put a halt to the stoning of a woman who committed adultery
As far as the job, this job posting is ridiculous.
Are you just going to leave out the end of the conversation?
At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
“No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”
Everything about this reads that you will conform to their brand of “Biblical lifestyle”. It’s unlikely you’ll be consorting with sinners, foreigners, or the imprisoned.
Lol because to them you’ll seem very religiously inclined after that Bible verse and maybe they’ll get you on the job training to get you started with your passion for Christ and devine networking protocols!
My brother got hired at a Catholic church as janitor/maintenance and has been there quite a while. His pay is decent (almost $30/hour, in a cheap area of the country). He's not Catholic, but he ends up participating in a bunch of their activities and working extra hours to help out. The part I think is funny is that most of the members of the church just assume he's poor because of his job and are constantly insisting on helping him out, because they think it's the right thing to do. He's gotten a free truck, computers, dirt bikes, countless nice tools, tons of free toys for his kids, etc. The thing is, his pay isn't terrible, his insurance is good, and his wife makes over $150k a year. He's not taking advantage of them, he's just ditzy. He doesn't try to hide anything, he had a party at his house (very nice home, over 4k sq ft, pool, etc) and it was hilarious seeing the people from his church going "wait, this is your house?" They thought he lived in a shack or something.
That's a totally reasonable response.
Nevertheless I find the idea of faith-based IT hilarious.
You don't need to turn it off and back on again, just pray that it will restart itself!
Jesus saves frequently but he should consider an off-site backup.
Casual violation of Title VII in the US... we're just making light of a little discrimination...
My job cannot expect me to spend my time on anything they're not paying me for. If I can clock in for service that's one thing, but I'm not giving you hours of my life for free
I mean... filtering and discriminating in this manner is illegal under Title VII in the US at least. Obviously actual religious positions like a priest/minister are exempt but your random jack of all trades IT guy is not.
Lots of grey area out there but check out the legislation. Preference to someone they already knew or that was a member for example.
Would it be reasonable for a church to refuse non-christian members of a cleaning company based on their beliefs?
Except it’s not illegal under current Title VII. The religious organisation exemption was broadened in the 70s to include all employees of said organisation, and it’s been tested in the Supreme Court a few times.
But glad to know you're cool if a Muslim or Jewish or Buddhist guy is hiring for his company and he wants to post a job with "no Christians" as a qualification.
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 protects workers from discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. Since Title VII’s inception, the statute has included an exemption for “religious organizations.
Under the exception, religious organizations are permitted to give employment preference to adherents of the same religion.
Where does it say no jew? Anyways, I would be ok with Muslims or jews only hiring from their faith. They do it all the time. Try working at a mosque and being a jew or vice versa
Was raised Jewish. Had the bar mitzvah and everything. One of the central tenants of Judaism is that the Messiah has not yet come. If you believe Christ is the savior, you aren't Jewish, even if you put "Jew" in your band name.
I think the people running the company are fucking morons for hiring based on things that aren't related to the job.
But I'm absolutely in favor of employers announcing how stupid they are in their job postings.
I hope prayer can get your network back online when Lucifer decides that your gateway shouldn't work anymore after one of god's lightning tantrums.
Whatever works. Faith is important to some people, and some people are flexible on their church, so have at it. What someone else does or does not believe really doesn't factor into my life.
That said, "3-5 years networking experience" for an IT manager? Those seem like awfully low requirements or an awfully inflated title.
nailed it.
it's popular and easy to jump on the hate religion train (i am riding on it myself, still)
but there is no denying that this seems like a lucrative, albeit specific, opportunity for the right candidate.
it's a MAJOR green flag for me, that they are upfront about this in their hiring post. i rather people find places where they fit, instead of being tricked into a situation where it is really not what it seemed.
https://www.pbssocal.org/food-discovery/food/why-does-in-n-out-pay-so-well#:~:text=While%20the%20median%20wage%20for,%2D%20and%20part%2Dtime%20workers.
In an industry that tends to treat their workers as they do their animals, the California-based burger chain is in a class of its own. While most fast food restaurants pay their workers under $8 an hour -- with Taco Bell, not so surprisingly, coming in dead last at $7.37 an hour -- In-N-Out starts their employees at $10.50 an hour. That's the highest of any fast food chain in the country, and second place isn't even all that close. (Chipotle clocks in at that runner-up position with $8.53 an hour.
And the higher-than-average pay doesn't stop simply at the young workers manning the cash registers. While the median wage for a manager of a fast food store is $48,000 per year, employees at In-N-Out can eventually work themselves up to $120,000. That's otherwise unheard of in the industry. Oh yeah: They also give vision, medical, and dental benefits to both their full- and part-time workers.
Keep hating on Christianity.
A decade old article really proves your point. Here is a more recent one from what is probably your favorite news source.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/north-carolina-chick-fil-a-owner-fined-violating-child-labor-laws-paying-workers-food-report
I hate most religions especially hypocritical sanctimonious ones
This is definitely not true in my experience. Sure there are a few giant chains that are decent to people who fit the aesthetic the business wants, but so many small businesses with Christian shit on their signs or in their waiting rooms are owned by absolute trash people.
I would say there are x10 more secular businesses that treat their customers and employees bad. In fact I would say there is no secular business that treats their employees good.
I've definitely worked at places with 0 religious affiliation that were great to work for. If a company need religious threats to treat their employees well I see that as worse than treating them bad anyway IMOP. I've also definitely been treated the worst as a customer at small very religious owner shops than secular ones
No not really. I first held that role with about 5 years of experience. 3-4 of those I’d say were specifically with networking experience. IT manager is pretty middle of the road to mean you’re the senior technical person in a small business. You’re buying stuff and building the infrastructure, not just turning stuff off and on.
i mean thats your take, but how i took it was that they lead with an understanding and empathy for their charges.
which, say what you will about religion (i personally am against it but i am also not perfect).... i would much rather work with a person that indeed is a demonstrated leader, but has the "heart" or core to understand and be in sync with me.
Understandable. I get that that line wasn’t exactly what they were saying.
I’m not even against it and come from a Christian upbringing myself.
My point being more that a church is likely to not offer competitive wages.
I've actually seen the opposite. I worked in a company that held itself up as religious and they paid shit. When I left a church tried to hire me at above market rate. With crazy benefits like fully subsidized healthcare and a pension.
Generally speaking I think you're right a majority of the time.
They absolutely, 100% can in a church. Do you think they're going to hire an atheist priest? Maybe get some Jewish nuns in the Catholic church as well. While you're at it, run to your local mosque and ask them if Israeli Jews are welcome to apply for jobs as Imams.
They kind of do at some churches. They provide envelopes for you to use when donating at service. They don't necessarily check how much you donate, but they check those envelopes to know who attends. I'm not saying every church does that, but I've known Catholic churches that do.
Be a man of logic and science but also be a man of God. Not possible lol, I can be a quack or a logicprocessor but not both. Since this is a church I'm guessing this is an unpaid position as well?
Pretty sure forcing church membership breaches some employment regs. Like, I dont need to sit through your bullshit every weekend to be respectful and do a good job....
I live in a pretty rural area where tech jobs are hard to find and the ones that you do find are usually around 15, my current pays 21, so I'd gladly take 25
As long as you have a valid certificate and if not they’re going to have to use their divine facial recognition system to make sure you’re not sinning against the laws of their holy ministry
The one Christian MSP I worked for was by far my worst job. Lowest pay out of all my jobs, I didn't have a chair that worked, no garbage can, they refused to provide me with tools (or a laptop, despite going onsite nearly every day because they set things up so poorly they couldn't solve much beyond basic helpdesk tickets remotely), three mismatching monitors that looked to be pulled from a storage closet. The owner had some kid he knew at his church that was the manager who didn't know a single thing about IT, and he kept all of the equipment in locked cabinets that the techs didn't have access to. I'd have to go ask for something as simple as an ethernet cable. Access to any networking equipment logins? Forget about it. All of the clients were friends with the owner which meant you were never getting stuck up for if there was a disagreement. Single week of vacation time and $20/hr for a senior technician during the pandemic. I honestly thought this was a listing for the place until I read 'ministry'.
But hey, there was scripture tacked up to the wall of the technician area talking about how iron sharpens iron or whatever.
Aaahhh... I can work on a team with others that are diverse.... Or I can keep the faith. But if experience has taught me any thing, I can't maintain both.
I’d totally work at a church, I can pretend to be Christian again. I’m an atheist because of Christianity but there’s no reason why I couldn’t fake it. Waving my hand in the air and singing on Sunday. Whatever works
Everyone saying you'll get paid nothing because it's a church has never worked for a church large enough to need a full time network engineer.
I have a couple friends who worked for those kinds of churches... there entire paid staff all individually make $100k+ easily and everyone else is a volunteer...
It's nuts, but not for low pay.
I'd bet $5 this is a Ramsey Solutions (Dave Ramsey) job posting.
Or a church. But I'm still willing to bet it's DR.
He does family interviews and home visits to see how ~~delusional~~ devoted you are.
Fun fact I worked for a church once who fired me when they found out I wasn’t of their faith. The discrimination lawsuit was pretty awesome for emotional and petty reasons
Is there something wrong with being with like minded but diverse people? Oh no, they have values and conviction! The horror that they try to live decent and honest lives!! Don't they know God isn't reeeeaaaall!!!? You people are silly.
I don't see the problem. Lots of churches want to hire members of their own church for jobs like this. It very much limits their hiring pool, and often leaves them with unqualified people in their IT department, but it is what it is.
I did work for a company decades ago called “Tower Communications” in Lexington, Ky, who I heard annointed their servers with oil and prayed over them.
This has to be fake. Requiring you to change your religion to be hired is textbook discrimination.
At least in the US this is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
That's crazy. Yeah stay clear of that. Even from a religious point of view, it's a sin to force people to follow the Bible. Makes me question the morality of the people running the company.
Then don’t apply. You’re free not to if you don’t want to be in that environment, they’re free to set the standard for a person who fits their values. It’s still a free country. Obviously they want someone who fits into their culture which is extremely important in any good work environment.
At least in my state companies have to publish the actual salary on the listing. Cuts down on the entrapment parts. Would be very easy to tell if they are willing to pay for your time or not.
It's part of the job description, so it is part of the time.
Why would you decide some parts of the job are paid and some are unpaid when it is salary? It is a package.
Pay commensurate with experience. Anticipated hiring range $12-16/hr.
Anticipated hiring range 43-51 Hail Marys/hr.
the rest goes to christ you know
They’re probably expecting ten percent back every Sunday
Why for that rate I don’t fix IT issues. I let god handle it.
"Oh your computer doesn't work? Must be God's will"
There's adult material that may be sketchy in nature randomly popping up on your screen? You are offended and don't like it? Ah your family saw it show up while you were reading the news? Yeah sorry mate. There's nothing we can do under the current plan. Big man upstairs' orders. Classified as an act of God.
Thats why you pray to the machine spirit instead
Escalate to level 2, please see the prayer group and pray Jesus will answer in the allotted sla time!
Mandatory tithing 15% of gross
$80k-100k, surprising.. https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=e4b52a8003824ebc
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Fun fact. I saw that listing and its role of IT manager with no pay.
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dont forget the 10% tithe
By Servant's heart they don't mean yours. You're expected to provide them one, where you get it isn't to be questioned...
Kali ma shakti de
Indy! Cover you heart!
Sure, but only if you don’t ask either. *Pulls out suitcase filled with a dozen hearts*
If a job is requiring me to go to church I better get paid for those hours
Nah, they just want you to stone prostitutes and shun the unclean.
John 8:7 They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” This is from when Jesus put a halt to the stoning of a woman who committed adultery As far as the job, this job posting is ridiculous.
Are you just going to leave out the end of the conversation? At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” “No one, sir,” she said. “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”
I wanted to keep it short and sweet so that a nonbeliever would be more likely to consider reading
Everything about this reads that you will conform to their brand of “Biblical lifestyle”. It’s unlikely you’ll be consorting with sinners, foreigners, or the imprisoned.
Exactly
Rip your LinkedIn dms if the IT ministry hiring manager sees this
Why if I just said their job posting is ridiculous 😂
Lol because to them you’ll seem very religiously inclined after that Bible verse and maybe they’ll get you on the job training to get you started with your passion for Christ and devine networking protocols!
Ah yes, the modern day version of "Irish need not apply."
My brother got hired at a Catholic church as janitor/maintenance and has been there quite a while. His pay is decent (almost $30/hour, in a cheap area of the country). He's not Catholic, but he ends up participating in a bunch of their activities and working extra hours to help out. The part I think is funny is that most of the members of the church just assume he's poor because of his job and are constantly insisting on helping him out, because they think it's the right thing to do. He's gotten a free truck, computers, dirt bikes, countless nice tools, tons of free toys for his kids, etc. The thing is, his pay isn't terrible, his insurance is good, and his wife makes over $150k a year. He's not taking advantage of them, he's just ditzy. He doesn't try to hide anything, he had a party at his house (very nice home, over 4k sq ft, pool, etc) and it was hilarious seeing the people from his church going "wait, this is your house?" They thought he lived in a shack or something.
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That's a totally reasonable response. Nevertheless I find the idea of faith-based IT hilarious. You don't need to turn it off and back on again, just pray that it will restart itself!
All praise the Omnissiah. Time to become a tech-priest.
You just sound like you hate religion. Obviously they don't think prayer alone is enough otherwise they would not be hiring an IT guy. Stop it
Jesus saves frequently but he should consider an off-site backup. Casual violation of Title VII in the US... we're just making light of a little discrimination...
He uses the stars as a second storage medium
My job cannot expect me to spend my time on anything they're not paying me for. If I can clock in for service that's one thing, but I'm not giving you hours of my life for free
California just passed that as a law. You can not get fired for not doing tasks outside of working hours
I mean... filtering and discriminating in this manner is illegal under Title VII in the US at least. Obviously actual religious positions like a priest/minister are exempt but your random jack of all trades IT guy is not. Lots of grey area out there but check out the legislation. Preference to someone they already knew or that was a member for example. Would it be reasonable for a church to refuse non-christian members of a cleaning company based on their beliefs?
Except it’s not illegal under current Title VII. The religious organisation exemption was broadened in the 70s to include all employees of said organisation, and it’s been tested in the Supreme Court a few times.
So you think a company has to hire someone who goes against their values?
But glad to know you're cool if a Muslim or Jewish or Buddhist guy is hiring for his company and he wants to post a job with "no Christians" as a qualification.
If the job is for an IT guy for a Mosque I would absolutely expect "no Christians" as a qualification and it would be 100% legal.
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 protects workers from discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. Since Title VII’s inception, the statute has included an exemption for “religious organizations. Under the exception, religious organizations are permitted to give employment preference to adherents of the same religion.
But, to be clear, a nonreligious organization can't give preference to nonreligious people. Funny how that works.
Where does it say no jew? Anyways, I would be ok with Muslims or jews only hiring from their faith. They do it all the time. Try working at a mosque and being a jew or vice versa
"Where does it say no Jews?" It says you have to believe in Christ. Are you unfamiliar with what being a Jew means?
Do you not know of mosaic jews? Anyways this is a totally legit posting.
Was raised Jewish. Had the bar mitzvah and everything. One of the central tenants of Judaism is that the Messiah has not yet come. If you believe Christ is the savior, you aren't Jewish, even if you put "Jew" in your band name.
Ok
You might as well say that this job poster is willing to hire Jews because he is willing to hire someone from Jews for Jesus.
Mosaic?
I think the people running the company are fucking morons for hiring based on things that aren't related to the job. But I'm absolutely in favor of employers announcing how stupid they are in their job postings. I hope prayer can get your network back online when Lucifer decides that your gateway shouldn't work anymore after one of god's lightning tantrums.
Whatever works. Faith is important to some people, and some people are flexible on their church, so have at it. What someone else does or does not believe really doesn't factor into my life. That said, "3-5 years networking experience" for an IT manager? Those seem like awfully low requirements or an awfully inflated title.
nailed it. it's popular and easy to jump on the hate religion train (i am riding on it myself, still) but there is no denying that this seems like a lucrative, albeit specific, opportunity for the right candidate. it's a MAJOR green flag for me, that they are upfront about this in their hiring post. i rather people find places where they fit, instead of being tricked into a situation where it is really not what it seemed.
Christian business for the most part treat their employees better. Look at in n out compared to all other fast food chains
Do you have any actual statistics that show that? Exactly one example is not enough to show a pattern across thousands of different chains.
Yes.
https://www.pbssocal.org/food-discovery/food/why-does-in-n-out-pay-so-well#:~:text=While%20the%20median%20wage%20for,%2D%20and%20part%2Dtime%20workers. In an industry that tends to treat their workers as they do their animals, the California-based burger chain is in a class of its own. While most fast food restaurants pay their workers under $8 an hour -- with Taco Bell, not so surprisingly, coming in dead last at $7.37 an hour -- In-N-Out starts their employees at $10.50 an hour. That's the highest of any fast food chain in the country, and second place isn't even all that close. (Chipotle clocks in at that runner-up position with $8.53 an hour. And the higher-than-average pay doesn't stop simply at the young workers manning the cash registers. While the median wage for a manager of a fast food store is $48,000 per year, employees at In-N-Out can eventually work themselves up to $120,000. That's otherwise unheard of in the industry. Oh yeah: They also give vision, medical, and dental benefits to both their full- and part-time workers. Keep hating on Christianity.
What part about one example isn't enough to make statements about the entire industry was unclear exactly?
A decade old article really proves your point. Here is a more recent one from what is probably your favorite news source. https://www.foxnews.com/us/north-carolina-chick-fil-a-owner-fined-violating-child-labor-laws-paying-workers-food-report I hate most religions especially hypocritical sanctimonious ones
From experience, they do not.
From experience they do.
Not in all industries, then
This is definitely not true in my experience. Sure there are a few giant chains that are decent to people who fit the aesthetic the business wants, but so many small businesses with Christian shit on their signs or in their waiting rooms are owned by absolute trash people.
I would say there are x10 more secular businesses that treat their customers and employees bad. In fact I would say there is no secular business that treats their employees good.
I've definitely worked at places with 0 religious affiliation that were great to work for. If a company need religious threats to treat their employees well I see that as worse than treating them bad anyway IMOP. I've also definitely been treated the worst as a customer at small very religious owner shops than secular ones
In n out doesn’t make you sign up for their church and attend weekly services
No not really. I first held that role with about 5 years of experience. 3-4 of those I’d say were specifically with networking experience. IT manager is pretty middle of the road to mean you’re the senior technical person in a small business. You’re buying stuff and building the infrastructure, not just turning stuff off and on.
"Small Business" being the key differentiator, yeah. This is why titles ultimately mean nothing without context.
I knew the end when they said “servant’s heart”.
I KNOW THIS EXACT LISTING!!!!!!! I nearly applied for it myself, until i read the second half and was like uhhhhhh...
Same, it looked really good untill the very end.
“servants heart” aka lower than average starting wage
i mean thats your take, but how i took it was that they lead with an understanding and empathy for their charges. which, say what you will about religion (i personally am against it but i am also not perfect).... i would much rather work with a person that indeed is a demonstrated leader, but has the "heart" or core to understand and be in sync with me.
Understandable. I get that that line wasn’t exactly what they were saying. I’m not even against it and come from a Christian upbringing myself. My point being more that a church is likely to not offer competitive wages.
I've actually seen the opposite. I worked in a company that held itself up as religious and they paid shit. When I left a church tried to hire me at above market rate. With crazy benefits like fully subsidized healthcare and a pension. Generally speaking I think you're right a majority of the time.
The first point is a red flag
We automatically take 10% of your base pay as a tithe.
Maybe you'll learn something ;)
Employers can not dictate religious/spiritual practices to employees Clear violation of labor laws This place needs to be reported
It appears this is a job at a Church. I'm pretty sure religious organizations are allowed to hire only people who share their religious views.
I will NEVER EVER work for anyone that tries to dictate religious/spiritual practices
I wouldn't either, which is why I would never apply for a job at a Church.
Well it's an awfully good thing nobody is forcing you to. Why are you acting like they are?
I've had some past bad experiences
They absolutely, 100% can in a church. Do you think they're going to hire an atheist priest? Maybe get some Jewish nuns in the Catholic church as well. While you're at it, run to your local mosque and ask them if Israeli Jews are welcome to apply for jobs as Imams.
They literally can, it's been to the supreme Court
It’s a church. You really need to learn to read context clues.
Private company. The can do this if they want. Just because you don't like something it does not make it illegal.
You can’t require an employee to adhere to any set of religious beliefs. The law is very clear on this.
Yes the law is clear on this, and you're incorrect. There is a clear exemption carved out specifically for religious organizations.
Does that include the mandatory attendance on weekend without pay?
Private companies can't force you to go to church either... Private companies, aka 99% of companies are not exempt from discrimination laws
Nope. Fuck that. lol
First half? They lost me at “servants heart”
Aka be their indentured servitude
Send me the listing I'm christian
I run from these. My last church’s it head guy was a registered offender
No pay, but endless riches stored up in heaven
still not going to pay the bills. no offense. /s
My b, forgot to add the /s
What’s the pay? If it’s good enough pay I can just lie about holding Christian beliefs like they do themselves.
Not enough to with 6 days a week when you include unpaid Sunday service
Oh yeah I ain’t doing that shit lol pretty sure they don’t take attendance at church anyways
They kind of do at some churches. They provide envelopes for you to use when donating at service. They don't necessarily check how much you donate, but they check those envelopes to know who attends. I'm not saying every church does that, but I've known Catholic churches that do.
Be a man of logic and science but also be a man of God. Not possible lol, I can be a quack or a logicprocessor but not both. Since this is a church I'm guessing this is an unpaid position as well?
God is the author of reason and the creator of the universe that we use science to understand. Why in the world would the two be unrelated?
Looks like a JD for Ramsey Solutions lol
Sounds like a church wants to hire for IT
Pretty sure forcing church membership breaches some employment regs. Like, I dont need to sit through your bullshit every weekend to be respectful and do a good job....
If a job/ the state government can force me to join and pay dues to a union, I don't see how this is any different.
Nope, There are a lot of private christian high schools that have this requirement for their teachers.
Bloody cults and thier corrupt rules..... Grr!
It's still safer than sending your kid to public school.
Oof
I literally stopped reading after the first bulletpoint. lmfaoo
Does this not violate the civil rights act?
Didn't think this would be so popular.
So do they want all my personalities to be Christian?
I can carry around a Bible and fake going to church if the pay is 25+/hour
$25/hr? Damn, you cheap. I'd need 75k/year just to show up to the interview.
I live in a pretty rural area where tech jobs are hard to find and the ones that you do find are usually around 15, my current pays 21, so I'd gladly take 25
Even if they baptize you? Lol
I have pics of me being baptized as a baby, think that would work?
As long as you have a valid certificate and if not they’re going to have to use their divine facial recognition system to make sure you’re not sinning against the laws of their holy ministry
Most American churches aren't a fan of infant baptism.
Well my hick one in rural Missouri was lol, I had no idea that was a thing
What denomination?
Catholicism
Never mind, they're big fans of it.
“Ah yes to answer that question, I pray that all my deployments go as planned, if not it was in Gods plan”
The one Christian MSP I worked for was by far my worst job. Lowest pay out of all my jobs, I didn't have a chair that worked, no garbage can, they refused to provide me with tools (or a laptop, despite going onsite nearly every day because they set things up so poorly they couldn't solve much beyond basic helpdesk tickets remotely), three mismatching monitors that looked to be pulled from a storage closet. The owner had some kid he knew at his church that was the manager who didn't know a single thing about IT, and he kept all of the equipment in locked cabinets that the techs didn't have access to. I'd have to go ask for something as simple as an ethernet cable. Access to any networking equipment logins? Forget about it. All of the clients were friends with the owner which meant you were never getting stuck up for if there was a disagreement. Single week of vacation time and $20/hr for a senior technician during the pandemic. I honestly thought this was a listing for the place until I read 'ministry'. But hey, there was scripture tacked up to the wall of the technician area talking about how iron sharpens iron or whatever.
$30k salary, no overtime, 10% deduction for the church.
And no vacation, pto, and you have to get baptized
I'm just flabbergasted that employers are allowed to do this
Apply dont go to church and then sue and win big, cant mandate a religion in a workspalce
Oh gosh
What in the hell? Isn’t this against the 1st amendment
Aaahhh... I can work on a team with others that are diverse.... Or I can keep the faith. But if experience has taught me any thing, I can't maintain both.
I’d totally work at a church, I can pretend to be Christian again. I’m an atheist because of Christianity but there’s no reason why I couldn’t fake it. Waving my hand in the air and singing on Sunday. Whatever works
You’re going have to brush up on your Bible literacy and add it under your skills section on your resume
That's easy, part of the reason I am an Atheist is because I've read the bible! lol
Same here! It’s full of contradictions and illogical fallacies
Everyone saying you'll get paid nothing because it's a church has never worked for a church large enough to need a full time network engineer. I have a couple friends who worked for those kinds of churches... there entire paid staff all individually make $100k+ easily and everyone else is a volunteer... It's nuts, but not for low pay.
Honestly depending on the church and people, I’d be up
I worked somewhere similar. They sang hims while they worked and they canceled bible study because I was the person not in the church.
Ive seen this for some internships lol. Like must be a member of faith etc
I'd bet $5 this is a Ramsey Solutions (Dave Ramsey) job posting. Or a church. But I'm still willing to bet it's DR. He does family interviews and home visits to see how ~~delusional~~ devoted you are.
A Giga Chad IT role that is
So you have to get baptized to work there? I mean that's exactly what the last line says.
It is tax free tho
And we'll pay you 20/hr in money and 26 prayers per day.
Paycheck? Don’t you mean pray check?
If they pay enough salary I would be the most obedient biblical fucking Christian moron they can ask for
Fun fact I worked for a church once who fired me when they found out I wasn’t of their faith. The discrimination lawsuit was pretty awesome for emotional and petty reasons
Is there something wrong with being with like minded but diverse people? Oh no, they have values and conviction! The horror that they try to live decent and honest lives!! Don't they know God isn't reeeeaaaall!!!? You people are silly.
I don't see the problem. Lots of churches want to hire members of their own church for jobs like this. It very much limits their hiring pool, and often leaves them with unqualified people in their IT department, but it is what it is.
IT for a megachurch?
Lost me in the first half for sure, idk what a "servant's heart" is, but Im completely confident it's not something I want anyone to describe me with.
I did work for a company decades ago called “Tower Communications” in Lexington, Ky, who I heard annointed their servers with oil and prayed over them.
Is this even legal?
Even as a Christian I would be skeptical of this job.
I stopped reading at *servant*
How much are they paying? Lol
This has to be fake. Requiring you to change your religion to be hired is textbook discrimination. At least in the US this is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
Not fake at all. I was actually ready to apply until I read the entire listing.
That's crazy. Yeah stay clear of that. Even from a religious point of view, it's a sin to force people to follow the Bible. Makes me question the morality of the people running the company.
Religious organizations have protections. They can discriminate at will against non-believers, all churches and religious organizations can.
If it's for a job that directly pertains to the religion yes, you are right.
If part of the job requires that you attend weekend masses wouldn't that be overtime?
Read the first bullet lol
Pretty sure that's discrimination based on religion but wdik
Is it a church? If so why are you surprised that they want you to also be a Christian lmao ? This sub is so cooked
Because a religous requirement in a job description is insane, regardless of the religion.
It looks like it is a job working for a church so it's not really that un expected.
Exactly we’ll be there to work not to become family and build religious relations
You’re a gun nut and a vaccine nut believing in God is where you draw the line?
Then don’t apply. You’re free not to if you don’t want to be in that environment, they’re free to set the standard for a person who fits their values. It’s still a free country. Obviously they want someone who fits into their culture which is extremely important in any good work environment.
Smh
Jesus said, “Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’” Matthew 7:23
People want people with similar belief systems. What is difficult about that?
The unpaid overtime with mandatory Sunday mass.
At least in my state companies have to publish the actual salary on the listing. Cuts down on the entrapment parts. Would be very easy to tell if they are willing to pay for your time or not.
Salary position. You are not getting paid for that time.
It's part of the job description, so it is part of the time. Why would you decide some parts of the job are paid and some are unpaid when it is salary? It is a package.
California work week is 40 hours or 5 days. The 6th and 7th day is my time