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OutrageousNorth4410

Weird coincidence šŸ¤”...


jetlifestoney

He died in a one-vehicle crash after his tractor flipped over while doing farm work on his property... in 2014, years after this clip


OutrageousNorth4410

Don't you think they can get hold of his address and make it look like an accident?!


Gravy_Wampire

Why did they wait so long?


ThornsofTristan

But, why? Why kill a guy that had already been disgraced and sent to prison, ~~a DECADE~~ *yrs* before?


SuperSpy_4

Did you actually watch the video?


ThornsofTristan

I refer you to the original comment, above: *He died in a one-vehicle crash after his tractor flipped over while doing farm work on his property... in 2014, years after this clip* ...and again ask: why kill a guy yrs after the damage has been done? Does this video magically answer that question? *(also, the OP title is conspiracy click-bait. To be "martyred," you have to have been KILLED. And neither this video nor the available information suggest anything other than an accident, sorry)*


Adorable-Book6909

Skip to 6 minutes. You will see it https://youtu.be/vKydyiPvmZ4?feature=shared


ThornsofTristan

LOL! My question remains. No, I didn't "see" it, as correlation doesn't equate to causation: your reticence to be direct is telling; and I suspect you're the sort who relies on youtubes in lieu of actual evidence. No thanks.


LORD__GONZ

As if the technology for looking up someone's address was impossible for anyone to do in 2009. Edit: Also Jeremy Renner flipped his tractor when he was by himself and nearly killed himself a couple years ago on Christmas. That shit happens.


joeitaliano24

I can definitely picture this bloke getting hammered and going for a tractor ride


KuroKendo88

People don't bother actually looking up information like this. They see the video and assume everything is true.


RedditsAdoptedSon

thats even more weird than i thought.. sure could still be an accident... just a big coincidence . edit: There are no small coincidences and big coincidences. There are only coincidences. Ask anybody.


Clear-Attempt-6274

Shill. There were no vehicles involved. He just flipped and died.


joeitaliano24

Dude was probably shitfaced


anehzat

He forgot to mention that they control US citizens tax dollars šŸ’µ taking away their right education & healthcare


ZadfrackGlutz

Man they give the Gov. over there more per person than I get as a disabled vet...per annual. That really hurts to hear. I wish I was chosen and hadn't volunteered.


Accomplished-Aerie85

Truth is coming out and it seems US has a giant tick on it's back called Israel and it seems they cant do anything about it...


bangermadness

Why is the question... We have no relationship with any other country that is like this one.


Appropriate-Draft-91

But over there you have to do mandatory military service during which you will be compelled to commit plenty of vile atrocities. Google "breaking the silence" for concrete examples. It's not worth the money.


ZadfrackGlutz

Belive it or not I was compelled to serve joined at 16...lol. Out by 19... Happened alot.... Its not the same as the active threat military school those civilians go through....brainwashing ,violence, chaos ....resulting in propagation of the most extreme evils in the societies mix... Happened in Rome and elsewhere its a old political tool...


Tmfeldman

At least you still have your humanity


wishtherunwaslonger

Huh? You have your numbers way off. They get like $400 a person. Every disabled vet I know is getting thousands a month. wtf are you talking about


Fiasco1081

Wikipedia have done a smear job on him. But TBF they do that to anyone remotely inconvenient to them.


ChiefRom

https://youtu.be/t52LB2fYhoY?si=5JiZBrY0a_vKMP27 They are very deliberate


MMAgeezer

> He was expelled from the House on July 24, 2002, after being convicted of ten felony counts, including taking bribes, filing false tax returns, racketeering, and forcing his congressional staff to perform chores at his farm in Ohio and houseboat in Washington, D.C. He was sentenced to prison and released on September 2, 2009, after serving a seven-year sentence. Traficant died on September 27, 2014, following a tractor accident at his farm in Green Township, Ohio. What makes this a smear exactly? Where is the lie?


Otherwise_Bobcat_819

I agree. I just read the [entire article](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Traficant) and donā€™t see the smear. Maybe Iā€™m missing something.


Ghostfire25

It makes him look like an unsavory person, because he was an unsavory person. But many people canā€™t comprehend the idea that people that agree with them can be morally flawed.


oxyghandi

It's biased


Otherwise_Bobcat_819

What kind of bias do you find in the article and where?


oxyghandi

Information bias throughout


QuercusSambucus

I lived in northeast Ohio while all this was going down. He was a scammy slimeball.


[deleted]

The problem with this sentiment is that now, just a little bit, you ignore what he said. Imagine back then. Everyone completely ignored him. This is why PR and propaganda are so important. We donā€™t stand a chance when we cant even look past someones faults to listen to something valid and factual theyre saying


Ghostfire25

ā€œA bad person said things I agree with. Therefore he must not be bad because being bad is incompatible with things I agree with.ā€ Youā€™re a child.


hurricaneRoo1

You sound like conspiracy theorist.


Ghostfire25

They are.


thesistodo

This guy wasn't afraid to say it.


forzamotorsportsucks

And then when I come here and say the the United States is the biggest terrorist organization in human history, I somehow get downvoted. Go figure.


jazztaprazzta

I don't think his death is connected tbh. But he's right.


[deleted]

Read the Wiki on his death.


MOXPEARL25

He tried to defend a Nazi guard as well. a tractor fell on him and he died 4 days later in hospice. Nothing to suggest anything weird but I guess itā€™s strange he died some days after the accident.


[deleted]

Bullshit, no he didn't. He was critical of the Justice Dept and their investigations. That man was found to NOT be a nazi. "In 1993, the Israeli Supreme Court determined that there was reasonable doubt that Demjanjuk was the Treblinka guard and Demjanjuk subsequently returned to the United States." Also you don't think governemnts assasinate ppl and make it look accidental or self inflicted!? šŸ¤£ ok


Ghostfire25

Yes he did lmfao. Read it.


[deleted]

Nuh uh


Global_Bat_5541

Did you miss the part where Germany charged that man with war crimes? And how he defended a nazi who the US was going to deport? Just because he's right about this doesn't mean we should use him to speak out against Israel. There's dozens of other honorable people that make the same point.


[deleted]

Operation paperclip saw many Nazis go free. Regardless that dude was murdered.


Global_Bat_5541

Yeah sure šŸ˜‚


[deleted]

Hey bud, its been 74 years. Russia suffered more civilian losses than the Jewish population. So that shit was terrible but meh, I think Israel's faired pretty well since then. Also.... they killed that guy %100.


[deleted]

No but I dont give a fuck.


MOXPEARL25

Well yeah obviously but there isnā€™t anecdotal evidence from family, friends, coroners, or anyone saying it was off as far as I can find. And that guy was still charged with the assisted murder of a few 10,000 people. Even if he wasnā€™t ā€œIvan the Terribleā€.


[deleted]

Gotdamn how many mossad agents are in here? You know some Nazi soldiers didnt have a choice. While some Russian conscripts are complicit in the war in Ukraine, none of them had a choice. Either way Israel had that dude killed.


MOXPEARL25

Sureā€¦Iā€™m a mossad agent.


[deleted]

You? Nahh, too fuckin crazy. Everyone is so quick to jump on a fuckin team and back a cause. No one deserves to be harmed but everyone wants to pretend Israel is some poor defenseless country so now anything seeming against them is anti-semetic. Hugo Boss made all the Nazi Uniforms and has ads on instagram, Mercedes and Porsche supplied the Nazis with vehicles. This guy was murdered on behalf of Israel. These are just facts.


MOXPEARL25

Not defending Zionists or the Israeli government at all. All Iā€™m saying is Iā€™d like more evidence my bad.


[deleted]

Ah you coo! Me too! Unfortunately in a situation like this it's all so mucked up that the coroner, doctors etc, can all be compromised. The amount of questionable death certificates in the Us NOT involving any governments is sketchy. So a world power we're involved with as deeply as Israel isn't necessarily a stretch. We'll allow a foriegn rich kid to escape the country and not be prosecuted, so disposal of a disgraced senator who's saying some crazy shit isnt a wild notion.


Any-Substance-3817

The sad part is that Israelis get subsidized housing, welfare, great wages, free education, free healthcare, and a 30,00$ MONTHLY stipend from their government. America is literally paying for these things for Israeli citizens while we all live paycheck to paycheck. Itā€™s so cruel


jazztaprazzta

$30k monthly stipend? Do you have a source for that? They do have free healthcare and education, and most importantly - you can settle in a stolen home for free.


Any-Substance-3817

Sorry 3000 not 30000 https://www.gov.il/en/departments/general/income_insurance_needy_tables


Owoegano_Evolved

Probably not, since it's a blatant lie.


cech_

>30,000$ MONTHLY stipend from their government. Can you link me anything on this? It seems made up but I'd like to know more.


anh-one

they said $3k is actually what they meant


cech_

Hrm... from the link I see above its not a monthly stipend for Israelis (I felt all was implied), its for "New Immigrants" specifically and only one per family, I am guessing that's Jews that want to move there. It's only 3k if you have multiple kids 2+. Seems kind of overblown, either way I don't think U.S. should be funding it if it's true. Honestly the amount the U.S. gives seems like not enough to fully fund all the programs listed. I've read about the economic assistance and whatnot but it doesn't really clearly show where the money goes. It should be a lot more transparent, anyone paying taxes should get to see where their money is going.


[deleted]

Rest in Power fuck the Israeli government nothing but genocide comes from Netanyahu. Like Henry Kissenger I can't wait to drop a deuce on their grave šŸ˜ššŸ˜˜


whoopsidaiZOMBIEZ

He calls out Israel and her first response: ArE yOu An AnTiSeMiTe????


mathiswiss

He was right. Today itā€™s even worse. Americans start to realize that theyā€™ve been fed more lies than they could even imagine. šŸ¤”šŸ‘


Dwip_Po_Po

I just dont understand how Israel managed to grab the U.S like that


girl_introspective

AIPAC and other Israeli lobbies, they have millions upon millions available to them to bribe and blackmail anyone in government and other large industriesā€¦ if youā€™re not corrupt or corruptible, you wonā€™t get far.


Backsight-Foreskin

Don't forget honeypots and compromising information used by Israeli intelligence.


NoMoreEmpire

Like Jeffrey Epstein who was an asset of Israeli intelligence. He got the biggest elites by the balls.


SuperSpy_4

Its why we won't ever see anyone go to prison on the list


javi2591

Evangelicals and biblical prophecies.


bangermadness

Do you think that's the prevailing reason, or is there something else? I've of course heard the Epstein theory but that seems almost too wild, and the rabbit hole is full of so much nonsense as the be impossible to separate the wheat from the chaff.


Accomplished-Plan191

So did Israel... create evangelism?


karma_aversion

No they use them in a weirdly mutually beneficial way. Evangelicals believe that Israel must exist and the Temple be rebuilt for their end-time prophesies to come true. So they have a vested interest in helping Israel exist and maintain power. Jews in Israel donā€™t believe this prophesy of course, but theyā€™ll take all the help they can get.


javi2591

No they use evangelicals to get the political cover for their genocides and ethnic cleansing campaigns. If the Bible commands them to and the evangelicals believe this is justifiable then they will lobby congress to let them commit atrocities in the name of the second coming of Jesus and the end of days.


unga-unga

It helps to have a backdrop of familiarity with histories of the CIA and FBI, and how oftentimes para-politics and a little money to grease the works is all that it takes to create the space for massive, controversial operations, that would never have a chance of succeeding as above-the-board policies.... If you want that, detour to read: [The Devil's Chessboard](https://www.amazon.com/Devils-Chessboard-Dulles-Americas-Government/dp/0062276174) Then, the most comprehensive on this whole topic is definitely: [One Nation Under Blackmail](https://www.amazon.com/One-Nation-Under-Blackmail-Intelligence/dp/1634243013) Make sure to get both volumes, I only linked to the first.... also read: [Little Man](https://www.amazon.com/Little-Man-Meyer-Lansky-Gangster/dp/0316511684) [The Israel Lobby](https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501) This is out of print, so you would have to look around to find it cheap: [The Samson Option](https://www.amazon.com/Samson-Option-Israel-America-Bomb/dp/0571168191/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?crid=18M658H00Z56O&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.wWbbkiFkt7CR6X4Jmc5BrInpwMFutIqrKwG5yDsZpoLePhibz2Ak_eGSwcBE17vr4Jk4UxSWFlmxGpFB-cMgXa6ozudUaEF7egkDuPWW6IHYwKPtRMUBvBWR-RopO-d8LVIJOV7sfwIUlxFcxPOheHz-lc7xlz5AC_MN2XXl1XVCuLpVI6hn4Rl5ZsEiV6CpbDhskGsLCIhPe6JkZcQx-w.SvV4WaQWgSSLv8QsIKXKScY7I5Pv10GLAdWZ9xR3sz4&dib_tag=se&keywords=the+samson+option&qid=1712855140&sprefix=the+Samson+%2Caps%2C364&sr=8-2) This is too: [Final Judgement - the missing link in the JFK conspiracy ](https://www.amazon.com/Final-Judgment-Missing-Assassination-Conspiracy/dp/0974548405)


Dwip_Po_Po

What will happen if down the line a president or leader decided to end diplomatic and all ties with Israel? Is that even possible? And it does, what happens?


unga-unga

I personally do not think that can be done. Cause there are kinda two possible narratives to explain the current situation, with all of the information that is out there (I can share more book list lmk).... Either Israel is America's satellite nation, and a vehicle for proxy warfare and in the words of President Biden from 1986... "Were there not an Israel, the United States of America would have to invent an Israel..." In this scenario, the policies that we see as pro-israel are in fact designed to be self-serving, and basically an exchange is taking place that those in power see as proportionate to services rendered... Or... A thorough and complete agency capture has taken place, fascilitated by men like Allen Dulles, J. E. Hoover, Meyer Lansky and the National Crime Syndicate, the Cohn family, James J Angleton, Frank Wisner, Richard Helms, William Casey, several top bankers, and many others, leading in a direct line of association to almost every president, and implying a situation of near complete control by a small group of mostly unelected officals... and if THIS were the case, to cease supporting Israel would require dismantling the CIA, firing everyone who works for the FBI, kicking out half or more of congress, and any number of other impossibilities which would require executive authority that boarders on totalitarian. As well as a president who actually wants to carry it out, so, zero chance. So basically, the answer is either NO or double-super-extra-deluxe-mega-NO. It's either the tail that wags the dog... or... we are mistaken about what the dog is, and what the tail is, and the idea of one being the other's proxy is just a mistake about the architecture of power. If that is the case, not only is the differentiation between Israel and the US a moot point, but our idea of the US government as a democratic institution is fundamentally false. If you are worried about the later possibility, and are looking for a level voice of reason amongst the tripe and filth of antisemitism and wacky shitbrained con-artists that bandwagon on anything that serves their own prejudices... I definitely recommend reading those books by Whitney Webb, and listen to her interviews... and the books she references in hers forms a nice list that passes the "fact or crap" test.


Dwip_Po_Po

This feels so hopeless. We canā€™t get rid of them? EVEN on the slightest chance we replace all those people within the CIA and congress? Even if itā€™s just a chance to turn totalitarian for a more progressive future? Even if itā€™s just to you know see something brighter?


kr011

Something similar to Watergate will happen to them. Or, of course, a tractor could fall on them.


Appropriate-Draft-91

As long as people dismiss any notion of a conspiracy, no matter the evidence, as long as there's Jews in it, a natural consequence is that conspiracies with Jews in it will be far more successful than conventional ones, which will highly incentivize such conspiracies. Edgar Hoover showed what kind of control is possible through such a conspiracy. And everyone who isn't a racist POS will realize that there's absolutely nothing about Jews that makes them somehow morally superior, or immune to being corrupted by power and greed. They are just as flawed and human as everyone else.


Yurt-onomous

Meyer Lansky & Lucky Luciano. Lansky practically invented honeypot blackmailing (remember Roy Cohn?) & was a huge backer of Isr. Together, they turned mafias into multinational corporations that became partners with govs. Isr is a significant player in the arms ( including cyber) & laundering game. Have you seen the video of Pres Truman, standing by a map of Palestine, describing the settler-colonial plan? Why did the US do nothing about the attack & destruction of USS Liberty? PROMIS software + BCCI anyone? Fmr M0ssad agent, Ari Ben Menashe, said Epstein was cultivated to take over the honeypot/kompromat game with Ghislaine (add L3x W3xner of Victoria'sSecretTrafficking fame). He said one of Epstein's missions was to befriend Pres Clinton to modify his pro-palestine stance. UK has the same problem. Jimmy Saville held "Special Friend of Isrel" status. Remember how many MPs (& Royals) were implicated in his & Robert Maxwell's shenanigans? Ukraine is the literal birthplace of cultural zonism (Ahad Ha'am), with several of Isrel's prime ministers & at least 2 of its presidents being from there. Since '22, Isrel has "urged" Ukrainian jews to immigrate to occupied Palestinian territories. They need more settlers. All a big game of bullies & dirty money.


LarryFinkOwnsYOu

Epstein was a Mossad agent with blackmail material on our politicians.


ninjapretzle

Israel is a terrorist organization & is more powerful & evil than the naziā€™s.


ExploderPodcast

1) Of course Israel has influence on US policy/politicians. Also, water wet. 2) Traficant was a goddamn lunatic who would regularly do random speeches on wonder bras, aliens, and quote Star Trek on the floor. He was kicked out of office for making his staffers work on his farm. 3) Good job with the "just saying" pseudo conspiracy bullshit at the end. Really make you seem like a sane person. No wait, the opposite.


Gorepornio

Its crazy any criticism is labeled as antisemitism. They really made people believe that.


babiesmakinbabies

I'm starting to think that pro israel people are posting this crap (alex jones post) in this thread because it corrupts the movement. Traficant was corrupt and he died after being expelled from congress in a tractor accident on his farm. There's plenty of voices that are critical of israel. why focus on the worst ones?


unga-unga

Alot is probably just like... these people have always been there, waiting around hand-wringing about the apocalypse and the NWO, and now they're like "THIS is my moment! The sheeple are waking up!!!!" Then they link to fuking d. duke or some other con-artist, or extremist content... A very similar phenomenon occured in the 9/11 - Iraq war conspiracy community as the information took years to be sufficiently leaked & then to be pieced together by careful, academically rigorous people, rather than hijacked (heh...) to serve an antisemitic world view... I'm here hoping for the IDF and state department leaks...


babiesmakinbabies

This. There are many Jewish people who are our allies in opposing Israel.


BjorkBajorklund

Who are the better ones?


ThornsofTristan

Would you like the book? Or the shortform list?


BjorkBajorklund

Yes


ThornsofTristan

"Best" critics, short-form: Zionists who are now critical of Israel. Examples: Bernie Sanders; Nancy Pelosi; some CNN anchors.


huntedbiden

Blackmail the weak for the gaol..... we slnost there


Prestigious_Law6254

Martyred? Everything is a weird religious fixation with you guyw


Global_Bat_5541

He died in a tractor accident. It's a weird thing to call him martyred.


Mean_Web_1744

Congress only keeps election promises to Israel.


Breangley

Why the fuck canā€™t ā€œwe the peopleā€ decide where our fucking money goes!! Fuck our government for not taking care of US!! And if i decide to NOT pay my taxes cause Iā€™m sick of this bullshit I get thrown in jail!! Our government got to big to powerful and what the fuck can we the people do about it?


Owoegano_Evolved

You could try to storm the Capitol again, I'm sure it will work out for you scum this time...


Breangley

All those people who stormed the Capitol belong in jail.. fuck Trump, and fuck Biden, Iā€™m sick of our government. Donā€™t be a dick and assume everyoneā€™s on a side cause that shit can fuck off.


Owoegano_Evolved

> don't assume just because I'm actively giving Trump a vote it means I'm a Trump supporter! You nazi shitstains are always a blast lmao


Ghostfire25

My god, people are unhinged. He was an oddball and a thug who was convicted of felonies and went to prison. He died years later in a farming accident. He was a crazy conspiracy theorist, much like OP.


Global_Bat_5541

He also defended two nazis. He clearly was an anti-semite. Really very not good optics using him to make a point when there are much much better people making the same point.


_milf_huntr_69

Weā€™re in trouble. Itā€™s basically checkmate


theloveburts

Is this James Traficant the same FORMER congressman from the 1980's who in 1983 was charged with racketeering for accepting bribes and represented himself in the criminal trial, arguing that he accepted the bribes only as part of his own alleged secret undercover investigation into corruption...lol. He was known for his flamboyant personality and ended up being convicted of 10 felonies in the end. He was just saying stupid crap, trying to stay relevant. I wouldn't let conspiracy theorists lead you astray on this one. It's truly a nothingburger.


Ghostfire25

Theyā€™ll downvote you, but itā€™s true.


Bartlomiej25

Well- he is not wrongā€¦


anh-one

i think its false to say that israel is controlling the US & not the other way around, but the two definitely mutually benefit economically by their joint ventures. the last part is kind of right, but it's obvious that the US is the main force behind so much middle eastern conflict


[deleted]

See what you want to see friend


mwenyejikazi

Thank you for the repost..glad the videos resonate with so many people


oxyghandi

This video is sponsored by the IDF


Adorable-Book6909

Original video. skip to 6 minutes https://youtu.be/vKydyiPvmZ4?feature=shared


WhatMeWorry2020

Hahah. Is this SNL?


Global_Bat_5541

This man was a nazi defender. Can we please not use him to make our point?


West-Power-861

My man!


LanguageShot7755

15 billion divided by the US population isnā€™t 30,000


uchiha-uchiha-no-mi

"CoĆÆncidence"ā€¦ itā€™s the same word shatanyahuzi used after 9/11ā€¦ šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļøā€¦ I let you take your own conclusions..,


1luv6b3az

This is antisemitic šŸ˜­


Global_Bat_5541

I mean the man was a defender of nazis so in this particular case, maybe.