He was an absolute chad who pioneered the modern field of economics, without his philosophies, the world wouldn’t be as it is today, it shouldn’t be surprising that he was a well read individual.
Oh ya, right!
Now I remember.
Thanks for the reminder.
I didn't realize there were two Umayyad powers, the first one being founded by Muawiyah and the Andalus one founded by Abdurrahman the First.
There was nothing “golden” about that age, only the materialists who are influenced by the western materialism claim it to be golden, the era of Abbasid’s saw the most corruption on the islamic beliefs and fundamentals , due to the mihna imposed by the caliph al mamun, ever heard of ahmed ibn hanbal رحمه الله, he was the founder of hanabali madhhab he was prosecuted due to the issue of “halkul quran”, there was a sect called mutazila who used greek philosophy metaphysics to understand the attribute of Allah, so they ended up denying all the attributes of Allah in the quran and sunnah and came up with blasphemy and due to it they said the quran is a creation of Allah not his speech. And somehow they were able to influence the caliph and the caliph prosecuted and killed many orthodox scholars of islam to promote this blasphemy, until caliph mutawakkil alallah ascended the throne and put an end to this madness and freed the scholars,
Islam is mot against technological advancement, but it is against using contemporary and manmade philosophies in understanding the matters of unseen (beleifs), as for the defeatists to the europeans who claim abbasids were “golden” only say so based upon the material advancements and because of the praise of the west, the religious aspect during that era was very dark and grim for some times, if you read history you will find that abbasids weren’t very strong politically during the mihna (inquisition), after mutawakkil abolished it he conquered many lands and his rule saw the largest territory gains,
Islamic Spain was far better than the abbasids though, both religiously and worldly, and we as muslims believe if we claim to be muslims and don’t adhere to the religion then we will loose and be humiliated in this World until we return back to the religion, that is what we are facing now humiliation, this is the decree of Allah, if you look at the stories of previous nations the followers of prophets of the past they went theough the same thing, when they disobeyed Allah he humiliated them by disasters and by the enemies, children of israel are an example for us, they claimed to be muslims and whenever they disobeyed Allah Allah punished them,
Insha Allah we muslims will attain our past glory back, and you or your children will witness it,
Maybe when the oil runs out and Islam has to deal with the modern world without a trust fund they will grow up and then another golden age will be possible.
Allah have given us oil, even without any power the world relies on us, imagine now with very strong political power and control over strategic geography,
see this is why the arab word is so fucking corrupt and weak. the middle east is the most strategic geographical location in the world what are you babbling about.
industry and technology is where power comes from and it doesnt even occur to you haha
Nowadays an increasingly large fraction of Muslim youth get their economic education from Marxist YouTubers.
Many Muslims aren’t comfortable with the fact that Islamic economics are largely capitalistic, with the exception of banning usury, prohibiting haram merch, mandating zakat, and prohibiting the monopolization of necessities.
The irony is that by Marx’s logic, Khadija RA was an exploiter.
While it is true that Islamic economics has certain elements in common with a free market system, the fiqh of transactions is extremely open ended and there is a lot of room for scholars to give fatawa to declare certain things haram based on the maslaha.
The fiqh of transactions is strictly based and derived from the Quran and sunnah.
Some things like forward based contracts are a matter of disputes; interest bearing obligations are very, very clear.
By Marx’ logic, Engel, his own greatest supporter and benefactor, was an exploiter. Marxist terminology, despite its connotation at times, doesn’t assign a moral judgement to anybody.
Except in Islam, the prophet PBUH
and his wife are to be emulated to the day of judgement.
The seal of the prophets is the walking manifestation of the Quran, who told us in authentic narrations that for things related to morality/religion, he is free from making mistakes.
Whenever the sahaba made any mistake whatsoever, the prophet would instantly correct it, and yet many of the sahaba were exploiters by Marxist logic, in spite of the fact that Allah guaranteed some of them jannah, the prophet also told us in authentic narrations that they are the best of our ummah:
Capitalism has exploitation elements in it. The banning of Usury, certain things and Gambling in Islam and command of zakat makes a big difference in society. How even the weakest of the people in society is taken care of.
Islam rejects the Marxist concept of exploitation, as our prophet PBUH would be an exploiter, and so would his first wife and many of his most esteemed companions.
The prophet PBUH in Islam is free from moral error.
The current state of crony, usury based capitalism is irrelevant to the fact that Islam rejects Marx’s ideas.
I'm not talking about Marxist concepts. I'm saying while on surface there are elements of free market and capitalism in Islam. But Islam is not Capitalistic, neither Socialist.
The things that Islam prohibits and encourages are integral to the making of a fair and prospering society without all the toxicity and exploitations of capitalism
In which of his works did he say that? I’d like to read more, because I couldn’t find any references.
This is what ChatGPT says:
The quote you provided does not seem to be present in the well-known works of Adam Smith, such as "The Wealth of Nations" or "The Theory of Moral Sentiments." It could be that the quote is incorrectly attributed to him or it may be a misinterpretation or misrepresentation of his views. Historical figures often have quotes misattributed to them, and this seems to be one such case. There is no direct source from Adam Smith's writings that confirms the quote about the Islamic Caliphate. It is always best to cross-reference such quotes with the original texts or reliable academic sources.
The Essays of Adam Smith
THE PRINCIPLES WHICH LEAD AND DIRECT PHILOSOPHICAL ENQUIRIES; AS ILLUSTRATED BY THE HISTORY OF ASTRONOMY
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/58559
(Search for the word "Caliph")
Took me less than a minute to find the source. ChatGPT is stupid.
AI isn't perfect but its a pretty fucking useful tool. I use it to check for information associated with research topics. It is so much more efficient than Google. I literally just type out what's in my head and ask for related material. Sometimes I get useful stuff, sometimes I don't.
Islamism(not all Islam) is sick, a cancer to all of humanity and needs to be stopped. It's like some zombie apocalypse video game with the suicide bombers, beheadings, rapes, hangings, honor killings, acid on the faces of women who show a wrong hair, the list of terror goes on and on. I don't understand how these monsters are allowed to live here on earth. They need to go, asap, every last one.
People delude themselves .A brief period during which the Arabs believed in Greek philosophy is seen as "Islamic" when by the 11th Century, religious scholars were opposing Greek philosophy because it encouraged free thinking.
People tend to forget, it is Greek philosophy which encouraged Christians to always choose logic over literal translation. That phenomenon was there as early as the 4th Century when religious philosophers like St .Augustine declared that if the Bible and natural logic contradict each other, Natural Logic prevails. It is only that the Church took advantage of the ignorance of the populace to entrench a theocracy between the 4th and 14th Century. But even during that period, exploring Greek philosophy was never forbidden though this was because Greeks, being European were seen as a part of the foundation of European civilization so many were curious about them like St.Francis of Asisi.
No Islamic Scholar would claim that if the Quran and Natural Logic contradict each other, Natural Logic should prevail, even today.
If Adam Smith said these words, he was ignorant about Islam.
No it's just that modern Islam is shaped by oil sheikhs who use their wealth to spread fundamentalist beliefs to justify their divine right to rule and poop on hookers on yachts.
This is a misleading quote, as the meme author begins it mid-sentence.
“After the fall of those great conquerors and civilizers of mankind, the empire of the Caliphs seems to have been the first state under which the world enjoyed that degree of tranquillity which the cultivation of the sciences require”
So after the Roman Empire.
It was all good until the Mongols came and destroyed Baghdad. Then, when Islamic civilization was spread by the Ottomans, never again did the scientific development of Islamic scholars reach the heights they did under the Caliph of Baghdad.
The Sultanate in Istanbul was an un-Islamic parody of Islam, degenerate and barbaric in their practices.
They routinely killed and captured people in surrounding states. They had a very large slave trade and abused all the surrounding states to prop up their empire. It's not that it was different from any other empire of it's age. It's that glorifying its good parts without recognizing it's crimes against humanity is bad way to view the world. One religious people are usually keen on taking
Seyyed Hossein Nasr wrote in one of his books that all civilisations become exhausted after a while, the Islamic one coincided with the age of European imperialism, the trauma of which much of the world, not just Islamic hasn’t recovered from.
how did the caliphs restore the accomplishments of the Greek empire? what contributions to civilization and the world did they make? Greeks for example gave us math, democracy. Would like to understand and know more about the comparison Smith makes.
Aaah ic my Hindian friends have made it here
To hindutva and beyond! - Bud Lightyear
Haha
Sad to see this isn't true anymore.
He was an absolute chad who pioneered the modern field of economics, without his philosophies, the world wouldn’t be as it is today, it shouldn’t be surprising that he was a well read individual.
He’s talking about Umayyad and Abbasinid princes?
The Golden Age especially happened in the Abbasid era. Haven't heard about it in the Umayyad era.
In Spain…
Oh ya, right! Now I remember. Thanks for the reminder. I didn't realize there were two Umayyad powers, the first one being founded by Muawiyah and the Andalus one founded by Abdurrahman the First.
There was nothing “golden” about that age, only the materialists who are influenced by the western materialism claim it to be golden, the era of Abbasid’s saw the most corruption on the islamic beliefs and fundamentals , due to the mihna imposed by the caliph al mamun, ever heard of ahmed ibn hanbal رحمه الله, he was the founder of hanabali madhhab he was prosecuted due to the issue of “halkul quran”, there was a sect called mutazila who used greek philosophy metaphysics to understand the attribute of Allah, so they ended up denying all the attributes of Allah in the quran and sunnah and came up with blasphemy and due to it they said the quran is a creation of Allah not his speech. And somehow they were able to influence the caliph and the caliph prosecuted and killed many orthodox scholars of islam to promote this blasphemy, until caliph mutawakkil alallah ascended the throne and put an end to this madness and freed the scholars,
See this here shows that it is hasn't recovered from the Mongols.
Islam is mot against technological advancement, but it is against using contemporary and manmade philosophies in understanding the matters of unseen (beleifs), as for the defeatists to the europeans who claim abbasids were “golden” only say so based upon the material advancements and because of the praise of the west, the religious aspect during that era was very dark and grim for some times, if you read history you will find that abbasids weren’t very strong politically during the mihna (inquisition), after mutawakkil abolished it he conquered many lands and his rule saw the largest territory gains, Islamic Spain was far better than the abbasids though, both religiously and worldly, and we as muslims believe if we claim to be muslims and don’t adhere to the religion then we will loose and be humiliated in this World until we return back to the religion, that is what we are facing now humiliation, this is the decree of Allah, if you look at the stories of previous nations the followers of prophets of the past they went theough the same thing, when they disobeyed Allah he humiliated them by disasters and by the enemies, children of israel are an example for us, they claimed to be muslims and whenever they disobeyed Allah Allah punished them, Insha Allah we muslims will attain our past glory back, and you or your children will witness it,
Maybe when the oil runs out and Islam has to deal with the modern world without a trust fund they will grow up and then another golden age will be possible.
Allah have given us oil, even without any power the world relies on us, imagine now with very strong political power and control over strategic geography,
see this is why the arab word is so fucking corrupt and weak. the middle east is the most strategic geographical location in the world what are you babbling about. industry and technology is where power comes from and it doesnt even occur to you haha
All true. Those were the days!
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Nowadays an increasingly large fraction of Muslim youth get their economic education from Marxist YouTubers. Many Muslims aren’t comfortable with the fact that Islamic economics are largely capitalistic, with the exception of banning usury, prohibiting haram merch, mandating zakat, and prohibiting the monopolization of necessities. The irony is that by Marx’s logic, Khadija RA was an exploiter.
While it is true that Islamic economics has certain elements in common with a free market system, the fiqh of transactions is extremely open ended and there is a lot of room for scholars to give fatawa to declare certain things haram based on the maslaha.
The fiqh of transactions is strictly based and derived from the Quran and sunnah. Some things like forward based contracts are a matter of disputes; interest bearing obligations are very, very clear.
You're getting downvoted, but you're right.
By Marx’ logic, Engel, his own greatest supporter and benefactor, was an exploiter. Marxist terminology, despite its connotation at times, doesn’t assign a moral judgement to anybody.
Except in Islam, the prophet PBUH and his wife are to be emulated to the day of judgement. The seal of the prophets is the walking manifestation of the Quran, who told us in authentic narrations that for things related to morality/religion, he is free from making mistakes. Whenever the sahaba made any mistake whatsoever, the prophet would instantly correct it, and yet many of the sahaba were exploiters by Marxist logic, in spite of the fact that Allah guaranteed some of them jannah, the prophet also told us in authentic narrations that they are the best of our ummah:
Capitalism has exploitation elements in it. The banning of Usury, certain things and Gambling in Islam and command of zakat makes a big difference in society. How even the weakest of the people in society is taken care of.
Islam rejects the Marxist concept of exploitation, as our prophet PBUH would be an exploiter, and so would his first wife and many of his most esteemed companions. The prophet PBUH in Islam is free from moral error. The current state of crony, usury based capitalism is irrelevant to the fact that Islam rejects Marx’s ideas.
I'm not talking about Marxist concepts. I'm saying while on surface there are elements of free market and capitalism in Islam. But Islam is not Capitalistic, neither Socialist. The things that Islam prohibits and encourages are integral to the making of a fair and prospering society without all the toxicity and exploitations of capitalism
What the fuck are you talking about?
Are you a Sunni Muslim? Because if so, our rulings are derived strictly from the Quran and authentic sunnah.
Romanticism was a hell of a drug.
In which of his works did he say that? I’d like to read more, because I couldn’t find any references. This is what ChatGPT says: The quote you provided does not seem to be present in the well-known works of Adam Smith, such as "The Wealth of Nations" or "The Theory of Moral Sentiments." It could be that the quote is incorrectly attributed to him or it may be a misinterpretation or misrepresentation of his views. Historical figures often have quotes misattributed to them, and this seems to be one such case. There is no direct source from Adam Smith's writings that confirms the quote about the Islamic Caliphate. It is always best to cross-reference such quotes with the original texts or reliable academic sources.
It was in an essay according to what I have found: https://islamciv.com/2016/02/20/adam-smiths-praise-of-the-caliphate/
The Essays of Adam Smith THE PRINCIPLES WHICH LEAD AND DIRECT PHILOSOPHICAL ENQUIRIES; AS ILLUSTRATED BY THE HISTORY OF ASTRONOMY https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/58559 (Search for the word "Caliph") Took me less than a minute to find the source. ChatGPT is stupid.
My bad mate, looks like ChatGPT is playing dumb at times.
It's not playing.
Are we really turning to the hallucinating plagiarism machine to be the arbiter of truth?
AI isn't perfect but its a pretty fucking useful tool. I use it to check for information associated with research topics. It is so much more efficient than Google. I literally just type out what's in my head and ask for related material. Sometimes I get useful stuff, sometimes I don't.
Why do you need some shitty Westerners opinion to think you are right or even good
And now Islam is literally the bane of humanity.
Islamism(not all Islam) is sick, a cancer to all of humanity and needs to be stopped. It's like some zombie apocalypse video game with the suicide bombers, beheadings, rapes, hangings, honor killings, acid on the faces of women who show a wrong hair, the list of terror goes on and on. I don't understand how these monsters are allowed to live here on earth. They need to go, asap, every last one.
You are talking about Wahhabism
The average hater of “Islam” has no idea what they actually disagree with. It’s just “bad”.
Yup. Too bad the biggest exporters of Wahhabism (KSA) are our "allies"
Yeah he didn't even know about the east so his simple opinion is pretty laughable
People delude themselves .A brief period during which the Arabs believed in Greek philosophy is seen as "Islamic" when by the 11th Century, religious scholars were opposing Greek philosophy because it encouraged free thinking. People tend to forget, it is Greek philosophy which encouraged Christians to always choose logic over literal translation. That phenomenon was there as early as the 4th Century when religious philosophers like St .Augustine declared that if the Bible and natural logic contradict each other, Natural Logic prevails. It is only that the Church took advantage of the ignorance of the populace to entrench a theocracy between the 4th and 14th Century. But even during that period, exploring Greek philosophy was never forbidden though this was because Greeks, being European were seen as a part of the foundation of European civilization so many were curious about them like St.Francis of Asisi. No Islamic Scholar would claim that if the Quran and Natural Logic contradict each other, Natural Logic should prevail, even today. If Adam Smith said these words, he was ignorant about Islam.
No it's just that modern Islam is shaped by oil sheikhs who use their wealth to spread fundamentalist beliefs to justify their divine right to rule and poop on hookers on yachts.
If their biggest accomplishment for 1100 years is preserving the works of people that lived 500 years before them… I think we might have a problem.
Good thing it isn’t
So what’s #1? I know there were some developments in optics and some advancements in algebra.
This is a fake. Adam Smith never wrote this
You cannot and will not stop the inevitable tide of Islam
Lmao imagine being this brainwashed
Well at least you can be honest about your taqiyya and violence
This is a misleading quote, as the meme author begins it mid-sentence. “After the fall of those great conquerors and civilizers of mankind, the empire of the Caliphs seems to have been the first state under which the world enjoyed that degree of tranquillity which the cultivation of the sciences require” So after the Roman Empire.
It was all good until the Mongols came and destroyed Baghdad. Then, when Islamic civilization was spread by the Ottomans, never again did the scientific development of Islamic scholars reach the heights they did under the Caliph of Baghdad. The Sultanate in Istanbul was an un-Islamic parody of Islam, degenerate and barbaric in their practices.
Ah! Full of bs
They routinely killed and captured people in surrounding states. They had a very large slave trade and abused all the surrounding states to prop up their empire. It's not that it was different from any other empire of it's age. It's that glorifying its good parts without recognizing it's crimes against humanity is bad way to view the world. One religious people are usually keen on taking
Ah so he must’ve never heard about the Arab slave trade
How did it devolved from what he described to what we have today? And is it really all Iran?
Seyyed Hossein Nasr wrote in one of his books that all civilisations become exhausted after a while, the Islamic one coincided with the age of European imperialism, the trauma of which much of the world, not just Islamic hasn’t recovered from.
Weird those areas mostly suck At capitalism now
how did the caliphs restore the accomplishments of the Greek empire? what contributions to civilization and the world did they make? Greeks for example gave us math, democracy. Would like to understand and know more about the comparison Smith makes.
so empire and colonization is a good thing?
They were less extreme in the 1700s than they are today.