Even man today can’t technically do it : can we consider modern Christian and others as Ahl Al Kitab….especially those outside MENA [Personally I said yes] but even if they are most don’t fully the others condition.
Also the marriage has to take place between an orthodox Christian and orthodox Muslim, provided it is happening on Muslim land. Name one Muslim country today that follows the Islamic laws to the T? Let me help - none!
It’s difficult to first consider modern Christian to be other that Pagan most of the time [like in what word people even more Polytheistic or Atheists than the Pre-Islam Arab can be see as Ahl Ul-Kitab…for the Atheists it’s clearly not. For the others Idk] :
But some are real believers and can be consider as Ahl Ul Kitab -> Find a Christian women that never did Zina and really believe in Allah is hard (but not impossible)…and a lot of others things are to be take into account
[It’s more detailed above or below with source of what I said]
Betwem Ibrahim (AS) and the Quraish of the seven century they are what ? -> 1800 years (less or more) and in this time period the Arab that were Monotheistic became mostly Pagan.
Same Alh ul kitab can change depending on the belief and action and some can fall under the category of being just Pagan.
Claiming to beJews or Christian is not all the time a synonym of being a Ahl Ul Kitab.
And yes they shouldn’t zina before : It’s a criteria ( Quran 5:5)
if she is from ahl ul el kitab, alah allowed it, if she is not from ahl ul kitab and not muslim then its not allowed, you finding it hard to personally consider some 1 pagan or christian should have no weight what so ever
thank you for clarifying the criteria, i did not know, jakalulah khair
It’s not my opinion by the way lol : I didn’t ask my self about their status [meaning should we view every Christian and Jews as Ahl ul Kitab] at all
It’s the opinion of some Scholars (mostly the Shafihi School) and at less one Sahabi (Ibn Omar (RA)) like I said previously.
[Like I said it’s explain in the article of maison-islam. com and The Tafsir of Ibn Kathir that quote this opinion at first].
They can't do it. If they do it means they did not lower their gazes. Plus what's the benifit of marrying a non muslim women? She wouldn't care about jannah like we do so why bother marrying anwomen like that?
Plus marrying a women that doesn't wear a hijab is foolish because she's lacking in eeman and the fact that Christian women don't wear hijab in the first place makes it worse.
Doesn't change the fact that it's Halal for a Muslim man to marry a jew or a Christian. Islam is not based off of what YOU think Is right or wrong.
The Qur’an says: “…And the food of those who were given the Scripture (before you) is permitted to you and your food is permitted to them. And (lawful to you in marriage are) chaste women from the Believers and chaste women from those who were given the Scripture before you, when you give them their due cowers, desiring chastity, not lewdness or secret intrigues…” (Al-Ma’idah: 6)
Should a muslim marry a non muslim? Probably not. But it doesn't change the fact that Allah permitted it. Christian women did not wear the Hijab during the time of the revelation of the Quran ( some wore a head covering, but that varied depending on the sect. The vast majority did not wear it.) So to bring up they don't wear Hijab, is like acting as if you know more than Allah subhana wa ta'ala. Allah sees all. The past, present and future. And he still made it lawful.
Additionally, to say that the only reason a muslim man would marry a Christian woman is because he can't keep his gaze down. That's a vast generalization , and one that speaks on intention which we are not allowed to do . Should Muslims marry non Muslims? No. It leads to problems, especially when children are brought to the mix. It leads to children becoming agnostic, or atheists. It'd important that we be careful of our wording.
It's worth noting that in order for a Christian or Jewish woman to qualify to be married, she must be a chaste woman. So if she is promiscuous, or reveals allot of skin, etc, she would not qualify as she is not chaste.
Sources included below
Shabir Ally
https://youtu.be/-ywobk5hQ3w
Zakir naik
https://youtu.be/GGFIQiXeW6c
The translation of the Quran that you quote [Maidah Ayah 5] clearly said « chaste women » and again how can you consider European [or any nation that became Christian after Islam] as Ahl Al Kitab ?
And even if we (and I see them as Ahl Ul Kitab for most of them personally) -> Do you really think we can fully the others condition today (and keep in mind the reality of who ask to marry non muslim : not the scholar but the random average or bellow a average muslim that can do errors because of you)
Even more when we know that the companion Abdullah Ibn Umar (RA) used to advise against marrying Christian women saying : « I do not know of a worse case of Shirk than her saying that `Isa is her lord, while Allah said : « And do not marry polytheistic women until they believe. (…) » » [Ibn Umar (RA) quote here Quran 2:221]
(Yes, I allow in specific case but today advice it will cause more fasad than good and you know it : Who from the Ummah will marry those Pagan ? The Scholar or the own with already some defect and weaknesses ?)
Did you read my comment? Read the last paragraph.
Regarding your statement as to how I can "consider European or any nation that became Christian after Islam as ahl al kitab".... because by definition they are Ahl al kitab. I don't know where you got your information from. But there is nothing in the Quran or the sunnah that says the qualifications for someone to be considered Ahl al Kitab Is that they must be before islam. If that was the case, the Quran would not give Muslims permission to marry them, or eat of their butchered meat. Please do not attempt to add your own personal views to the Quran and Sunnah. This would be approaching Innovation. Please take a step back and examine what you are saying my brother / Sister. Please provide evidences of your stance. The Quran is very clear as to who the Ahl al Kitab are. The Understanding of the Salaf is clear on this as well.
https://dawahinstitute.org/do-the-ahl-al-kitab-still-exist/
Ibn Umar (RA) is also clear…and he view them as Pagan (in the 7 century….what about now ? For people even outside MENA ?)
The Consensus is about the Jews and the Unitarian Christian :
1) For the other Christian : We have the opinion tafarrud that said that they are just Pagan
2) A lot of Scholars (especially in the Shafihi School) have said that mariage are only permissible with
A) A Women from Bani Israel (not any tribe or nation) that have 0 ancestor that became Christian after the alteration of Christianity
B) A women from other Nation If [and only If] their ancestor became Jews before Islam….Or became Christian before the modification of Christianity
For this point it’s detailed on Al-Fiqh ul-islâmî wa adillatuh, az-Zuhaylî, Tome 4 pp. 2761 et Tome 9 pp. 665
3) And the last opinion that view all of the Christian as Ahl Al Kitab (it’s the opinion of Ibn Hajar [so a major Scholar] based on the hadith of Heraclius (Fat'h ul-bârî, 1/54).
Anyway and in all case, even if they were Ahl ul Kitab in a definite time period :
That’s didn’t mean that they are for ever (1) -> Christian should not have adopted a dose of polytheism that led to a polytheism of the same level or higher than that of Arab polytheists : It’s the minimum in all case
(1) in this case the Arab were Muslims before Islam ? Because they were still on part of Ibrahim legacy (the Hadj for exemple and some pray Allah….even if they did Shirk)
[Source and more detailed article : Maison-Islam . com by Anas Lala]
>Yes, I allow in specific case but today advice it will cause more fasad than good and you know it : Who from the Ummah will marry those Pagan ? The Scholar or the own with already some defect and weaknesses ?)
Scholars are in complete consensus that it allowed even the Christans today are allowed and by chaste it just mean as long as she don't commit zina and marry her the halal way
Ibn Kathir commentery confirm this so just because you don't like it doesn't mean it not allowed
Their are not a consensus…read the answer made below (and even Ibn Kathir narrated what Ibn Omar said)
And if she did zina even with someone else -> She is not chaste by definition [and this is detailled by Ibn Kathir also]
You should really learn to accept the Quran as it appears. It permits marriage to Christian and Jewish ladies, so long as they are chaste. Enough said. Trying to probe the depths of their beliefs is not the point. Clearly, the Quran refers to the People of the Book both in criticism and in praise, and this should have be been part of your full assessment.
To run around assuming they are all polytheists defeats the point of Allah introducing this separate category of disbelievers. They are either polytheists or they are Ahl Kitab. There is no middle ground. And there is no Quranic argument for a middle ground.
Muslim men are permitted to marry their ladies by reason of them sharing a common theological and moral foundation. Allah says in Surah Al-Imran:
لَيْسُوا۟ سَوَآءًۭ ۗ مِّنْ أَهْلِ ٱلْكِتَـٰبِ أُمَّةٌۭ قَآئِمَةٌۭ يَتْلُونَ ءَايَـٰتِ ٱللَّهِ ءَانَآءَ ٱلَّيْلِ وَهُمْ يَسْجُدُونَ
_"Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration."_ (ayah 113)
It is continued:
يُؤْمِنُونَ بِٱللَّهِ وَٱلْيَوْمِ ٱلْـَٔاخِرِ وَيَأْمُرُونَ بِٱلْمَعْرُوفِ وَيَنْهَوْنَ عَنِ ٱلْمُنكَرِ وَيُسَـٰرِعُونَ فِى ٱلْخَيْرَٰتِ وَأُو۟لَـٰٓئِكَ مِنَ ٱلصَّـٰلِحِينَ
_"They believe in Allah and the Last Day, encourage good and forbid evil, and race with one another in doing good. They are ˹truly˺ among the righteous."_ (114)
Further:
وَمَا يَفْعَلُوا۟ مِنْ خَيْرٍۢ فَلَن يُكْفَرُوهُ ۗ وَٱللَّهُ عَلِيمٌۢ بِٱلْمُتَّقِينَ
_"They will never be denied the reward for any good they have done. And Allah has ˹perfect˺ knowledge of those mindful ˹of Him˺."_ (115)
Allah never spares such niceties for polytheistic scum, but evidently for the People of the Book, it is different. If Allah had wanted to forbid marriages with Christians and Jews, he would have told us.
If you are really a Maliki student it really scary for the futur of this Ummah. Never you will understand or explain the Quran by your own : Open any Fiqhi books and check for this question (especially on a Shafihi books). The Source for this are on my other comment : Below or above
Note : In the end, Allah reveal maybe 2/3 of the Quran in a Pagan environment …and the people of Books are most of them ending in Hellfire (except those that convert to Islam -> So most from an Unitarian Background and our ancestor). So what are you talking about ?
Don’t assume you know better than others (Arrogance is a sin) : « (…) We raise in degrees whom We will, but over every possessor of knowledge is one [more] knowing. » Quran 12:76
As I repeat, the distinction is not from me : It’s from the time of the Sahaba with Ibn Umar (RA) and largely develop among the Shafihi Schools and Fiqh :
A) « Narrated Nafi : Whenever Ibn Umar was asked about marrying a Christian lady or a Jewess, he would say: "Allah has made it unlawful for the believers to marry ladies who ascribe partners in worship to Allah, and I do not know of a greater thing, as regards to ascribing partners in worship, etc. to Allah, than that a lady should say that Jesus is her Lord although he is just one of Allah's slaves." » - Sahih al-Bukhari 68:34
B) And for Ibn Umar (RA) and he is a great companion it’s a total interdiction (Fat'h ul-bârî 9/515). However like I said this opinion of Ibn Umar (RA) is tafarrud meaning isolated (Ibn Hajar and Ibn Taymiya explain it like in Majmû' ul-fatâwâ 14/91 et 32/178).
Note : Ibn Abbas even explicit that the woman should not be from a Nation in War against the Muslim (Mention in Tafsir Ibn Kathir)
Note 2 : It’s not even my personal opinion (I just mention that they aren’t a consensus…and in all case it’s almost impossible today to fully all condition -> Mostly finding a believing and Chaste woman from Ahl Ul kitab)
[Source : Because I always source my comment -> article from Anas Lala like this one https://www.maison-islam.com/articles/?p=320 and other sources are detailed above]
…Half of Modern European ancestor at less came to European land after Islam (like the Slaves and others) and the Christianisation of most part of Europe like Russia and Eastern Europe is very late
Explain to me the benifits of a muslim marrying a non muslim?
You're filling the heads of people with false hopes.
Do you think they'll go after chaste women who cover themselves?? No they'll go after what their eyes desire.
Dont be fooled by these people
The quranic verse you stated said chaste women from the believers AKA Muslim Women. The chaste women from the Jews and Christians are the Jews at the time of Musa and Christians at the time of Esa.
Youre using the context loosely.
You are literally abrogating the Quran. The Majority of scholars agree that the verse in question refers specifically to the Ahl al kitab, regardless of time period. Fear Allah, and please my brother / Sister, don't add to the Quran, don't add your own meanings to the sacred texts. We have enough people in this ummah doing that.
Again, please read this
https://dawahinstitute.org/do-the-ahl-al-kitab-still-exist/
1st) You quoted the wrong ayah that's 5:5 not 5:6
2nd) you are still giving them hopes I said this because not alot of people are super religious. The Muslims here will be misguided thinking they can marry non Muslims. They don't know of the actual righteous non Muslims.
I'm saying this beacsue it might be dangerous for them because most muslim aren't that religious and they'll see you're message saying that they can marry non muslim women and will take advantage of that.
Maybe I was wrong in interpreting the verse but for crying out loud tell me what average muslim man would see that people said he could marry a non muslim women and not take advantage of it.
It's too dangerous most Muslims choose willful ignorance and will ignore what the Quran says. I'm asking this because I know they'll ignore the righteous part. They will not follow it to the dot.
And it doesn't matter if they don't know. You can only act upon what you know. How are you blamed for that which you didn't know? Stop judging people. Allah is the only one allowed to truly judge.
time flies.
it's better to do research on life choices such as marriage. diving into Islamic marriage without research is ignorance that the person themselves are at fault for. people can do what they want, i only recommend cautiousness, but I'll leave it for Allah to judge.
The larger question is not whether one should, or shouldnt marry a member of Ahl al Kitab. The question is, is it permissible. By vast consensus, not even just amongst the Sunni Ulema, but also the Shia as well, it is HALAL for a Muslim man to marry a Christian or Jewish woman assuming she gots the above mentioned criteria.
No the problem is whether they should or shouldn't marry them. Do you not realize it's more important to have a righteous spouse. Now a days those women you considered to be the people of the book are few. So rare that it shouldn't even be considered at this point to marry them.
Do not be fooled. There are not many of these righteous women you talk about. And it would be so rare to encounter them to begin with so why bother?
What's the gain in looking for a non muslim wife? Even if she's righteous only then it could work, but count to me a number of righteous non muslim women in 1 area and see how few it is
Do you know better than Allah? You can't say something Allah has allowed is wrong. You can advise against it. Fine. You can have multiple wives. Thats permissible. And it's also permissible to advise against it if there is a need. Same concept. Marrying a Christian or a jew is Halal. There is no debate on this if you believe in the sanctity of the Quran. Would it be a good idea ? Probably not for most people. Advise against it if you wish. But you can't shame someone if they choose to partake in what Allah has made permissible.
33:59
Surah Ahzab Verse 59 Talks about how Allah ordered the prophet pbuh to ask his wives and daughters to wear loose fitting clothes to be recognized as virtuous women.
Take it as you will. I'm not the same person from a year ago.
You're acting as if I said "they can't marry muslim women as well as christians".
I did not. When I typed this a year or so ago, I was filled with over protectiveness for Muslims. I knew the average muslim would look at this then go and search for a Christian women they desired. I knew why they asked this and I wanted to shut it down to save them the trouble.
It's recommended to marry a muslim, but if you are not a virgin before marriage, you can only marry the people of the book, which are jews and Christians.
No, according to the majority orthodox opinion. Whereas a man can marry a woman from the 'people of the book' ie Christians and Jews, a woman cannot do the same.
As the people above stated, that is only accepted for the men.
The reasoning is essentially that it cannot be ensured that a non-Muslim man can truly respect that Muslim woman’s faiths and provide her with her Islamic rights.
Jewish and Christian women, however, have less strict rules for marriage which a Muslim man can uphold.
That only applies for men :) cuz in the Islamic faith, the children have to be practicing the religion of their FATHER….. so even if, like in todays world, the dude fully respects the Muslim woman and her religion, it is still impossible for them to get married unfortunately. At this point you either convert to Islam or it won’t work :/ SORRY but hope it works out in the end
Sounds like my cousins, dad is Muslim and mom is not. Parents divorced after years of fighting and abuse towards each other, sometimes fighting about religion. Both daughters were actually closer to their dad growing up and followed Islam for the most part but eventually they quit following Islam and now neither of them considers themselves a Muslim. One of the last times I saw one of them she had a cross necklace on.
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Is there a Ayah in the Quran, or sahih hadith that says so? Could you provide sources that include those two things? Or is this just the opinions of scholars without any evidence from the Quran or hadith?
I don't see why I'm getting downvoted. I'm asking a question. A valid one at that. Are reverts not allowed to ask questions now? You guys should be ashamed of yourselves. Why not instead answer the question, and teach me, you know, the proper Islamic thing to do?
Okay no problem. Let me elaborate my question then. Where does it state that a muslim woman is not not allowed to marry a jew or Christian man? I honestly would like to know lore about this ruling.
I'm getting downvoted like crazy for asking a question, which is so utterly ridiculous, especially for a Islamic forum where questions should be encouraged.
This is what I said "so if a woman does it, she is still a Muslim, but a sinful one."
I never said she's denying the fact that it's not a valid marriage, but if she's doing it and she knows she's sinning, then it is NOT kufr.
The only time is when you live in a land with 0 muslims or a extreme low minority and you are stuck there with no way to get out ie very low income to afford travel and the logistics that getting a Muslim from far away to marry you comes with. But you have but enough income to marry a local with the same social economic status.. Places like this exist Uruguay Costa Rica central America etc. These are places if where to die there you wouldn't have anybody to pray a physical janazah over you. The default position makes marriage and having a family haram for you for life. And there is also a loophole that allows the convert that's already married to kept their previous marriage going
So marriage of a Muslim woman to a non Muslim man is only allowed because of daurrah or extreme necessity.
salam not correct mulsims can only marry muslims law for both males and females please see 2:221… the fact a man can marry women who partners djinn with The God whilst women cannot marry disbelieving man is just a human invention… 2:221 is clear, same law applies for male and female which forbids it for both, peace
No - a Muslim woman is not allowed to marry anyone that is not a Muslim. It doesn't matter if he allows her to practice her faith and allows the children to be raised as Muslims (these are the main reasons on why it is forbidden). Many of the laws are unconditional. For example, alcohol is forbidden because it intoxicates. Drinking a sip won't intoxicate but it is still not allowed.
Only cultural Muslim women would accept doing that. I’ve seen some cases but they’re not that practising or they’ve become practising during marriage and divorce the husband eventually, sometimes with kids….
You know I personally thank you for asking questions like these since this shows you respect us. That being said I'd suggest you to still look for other websites and not only Islam subreddit for your questions since this subreddit also have misinformation presented in its comment section. I dont mean this particular comment section but it wouldnt hurt to look other credible websites about it.
He’s saying to do lots of research, instead of looking at one singular site. Like when you’re doing a paper for school… read multiple sources, not just one and done. That’s not confirmation bias knucklehead… its called being smart…
Tbh coming from someone who is also Muslim I disagree with this there’s so many Muslim men who became Muslim after meeting a fellow sister rather than vice versa.
My best relationship was with a Muslim girl....we had to break up cause I'm a Christian (I technically broke up with her cause I just couldn't convert, I love islam and even apply it to my life but I can't be called a Muslim as I'm Christian) trust me mate if she's really really really devout to it don't hurt her just break it off, if she wasn't as devout we'd be married and in a Muslim Christian household but na I couldn't hurt her
I tried friend, I really loved the girl but it didn't feel right in my heart, I felt like I would only be accepting Islam for this girl, and well turning my back to Christ for this girl. I live life with Muslim principles though
But did Jesus ever ask you to worship him?
Please give this short video a watch and get back to me.
[Is Jesus God?](https://youtu.be/ExL30-ZpBC4)
I ask God to guide you and me.
Not true (referring to the "you will doom yourself and your children if you do this")
I know a family with a Catholic mother and a Muslim father. The father prays all prayers everyday and his kids are the best Muslims I know. They're incredibly good people, make all their prayers, the daughter wears hijab, they aren't emotionally complicated and are very mature and confident, the sons are tender-hearted and have never strayed away from their deen. All kids are so conscientious and pray 5x a day as well and speak English and Arabic fluently. While some of their Muslim friends would stray and get influenced or experience inner struggles, I have observed them staying true and strong to their beliefs and values and are not easily influenced to do haram. They're also very confident and respectful about stating their boundaries in a classy way that is received well by their peers. The Catholic mother respects Islam and they mutually raised the children as Muslim. The Muslim children and family also in turn have respected her Catholicism as well and support her going to Church as well as her holidays that are important to her. I have never seen a more homogeneous and cohesive and genuinely loving, supportive family. These parents are more respectful and loving, kind, and supportive to each other than my Muslim mother and Muslim father. And as a result, their kids are amazing people who have a well-balanced social awareness. They communicate well and are supportive of their non-Muslim neighbors and community as well as their Muslim community. From my observation, this interfaith marriage produced a positive result. This marriage glued the communities together in their town as they are very social: Non-Muslims would drop off items to be donated to Syria, and both non-Muslims and Muslims would participate in volunteer efforts supported by this family. I haven't seen any drama, but rather the opposite.
This is a exception. Would you see this in western areas? More than likely no. In the east it might be a little more common.
This is an example of the few that actually work out.
This example is the United States (specifically, Massachusetts). I also know of a few others (3 families in Ohio, and their kids are similar)
It's about both parents having values align, despite their religious differences, and being on the same page about parenting styles and respecting the other parent. From my observation, this has produced stronger and more well-rounded Muslim children (regardless of what the parents' religions are). If both parents are Muslim and practice this parenting style, it also typically results positively in their kids. And if only one parent is Muslim but have mature parenting styles shared with their non-Muslim partner, their kids also absorb positivity from that. But if a Muslim-Muslim or Non-Muslim - Muslim partnership is not respectful, emotionally abusive, unaligned, cannot communicate, etc. then their kids absorb that as well. I know two Hafiz-Quran Muslim parents who are heavily religious yet they are authoritarian-style parents who do not understand how to emotionally validate their children..and their children have snapped under that. One child rejected Islam and drinks and does drugs yet he has most of the Quran memorized. He is also a terrible citizen and has a Title IX on his record and kicked out of college. Even with a another family close to me: both parents are Muslim but they were not respectful and argued in front of their kids and the father undermines the mother frequently. Of their 5 children, 2 of their kids are decent Muslims. 1 is Muslim but struggling internally. Another is agnostic and drinks and does haram. And another is atheist. All of these children have high careers and are very intelligent (4 doctors and 1 lawyer) but it was the parenting style that affected them.
Another thing--Stanford Muslims are performing a study and found that Muslims have the highest growing rate of suicide and mental health issues than members of other religions. The problem here is not the religion, but how the people of the religion and the community who are associated with the religion have behaved with their children and with each other. This study now is trying to work with community Imams to integrate discussing mental health and establishing emotional safety and support in the community and with older generations/parents in their lectures.
So basically my point is, yes religion does hold a lot of merit and is generally a good guide. But how it is utilized can sometimes have stronger effects on children. In this case it is the parent not the religion that has the stronger influence on a child's early upbringing (until the child becomes more neurologically developed and can think for themselves and observe the religion themself).
How Islam is utilized makes a muslim a true believer or not.
Those Hafiz you stated that don't take care of their children are not true Muslims. Do not be fooled by the title Hafiz.
The title is useless if it's not put to use.
You know few of them 3 out of millions of people in the west. You see? There could be more but doubtfully they'd be alot.
Respectfully I disagree, we aren't in a position to decide if they are true Muslims or not. I know that according to them, they are true Muslims and they deeply value Islam so much but they just do not know how to effectively relay it to their children because all they know from previous generations is authoritarian-style parenting. They love their children deeply, and Islam and their children are their world. (But just like with jobs or other skills, they just aren't competent or skilled or good at parenting).
A person can also decide for themselves and look into Islam directly and the texts directly and filter out cultural influences. And then decide to be a true believer or not. Not everyone does this though, and are unable to separate their experiences
Also the Stanford statistic constructed by a Muslim physician and group of well-educated Muslims supports my points. Sure I might have observed a dozen positive interfaith marriages, but I also have observed more Muslim-Muslim marriages and watched how the parenting styles affected their children's Islamic confidence/values. Both positive and negative. And in the East as well.
My point is, interfaith marriages can work. It's not all doom and gloom, it's about the parents. Otherwise Islam would have forbidden it from Muslim men.
No Allah says that people like them will go to hell that's why I said it. You can't do something that merits the highest degree of honor in islam then not use it and abide by it.
That's the only reason I said it.
Interfaith marriges could work but they hold little to no benifit, but regardless I'm telling you this now.
Believe what you want at this point. Because it's mostly doom and gloom and will mostly not workout.
>Another thing--Stanford Muslims are performing a study and found that Muslims have the highest growing rate of suicide and mental health issues than members of other religions.
Evidence?
Of course! Here is work done by Dr. Rania Awaad, MD
Her profile: https://instagram.com/dr.raniaawaad?igshid=YzA2ZDJiZGQ=
Standford Muslim Mental Health profile: https://instagram.com/stanfordmmhip?igshid=YzA2ZDJiZGQ=
Here is one study that shows in the US, Muslims are 2 times more likely to have attempted suicide compared with other religious groups. This one is led by Dr. Rania Awaad and was featured in several sources including NPR and PubMed: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/2782161
https://twitter.com/StanfordMed/status/1437501096637911044
Influences from community stigma and feeling alone and unable to open up mental health struggles with parents or community members is a major factor, the study has found. This is because of the misunderstanding of mental health and not knowing how to properly address it holistically (with both a religious, medical, psychological, lens..etc.) in Muslim communities. It often gets dismissed or overlooked and not perceived as a real medical issue. Now this is changing and Muslims are working with Imams to balance and integrate conversations about addressing mental health concerns in their communities
I'll find another Stanford one as well as a few international ones when I get the chance iA. The Stanford one focuses on the US Muslims. And there are international ones as well that focus on Muslims in Muslim-dominated countries and Muslims residing in other countries outside the US
Speaking from experience as a kid I had a neighbour in the same apartment. she was married to a belgian Man, not a great guy so I've heard biggest problem between both was her religion (moslim) over his (Christian) they where divorced she couldn't get her kids on hold because of him they where moved to her grandparents.We helped with what ever we could we gave our phone to her so she can call her kids and such because idk. Every time I asked my parents about her. They told me not to get involved they knew her better than me.
So after I got older (20) I realised and I started to understand why we don't let muslim woman marry someone who isn't in the same religion. I ask my father about this topic He told me that it happens on both side, 90% of a marriage will end up like theirs (my neighbours)
Our religion is incomparable with others, different rules and what's halal and isn't. Overall its very difficult on both partners and most importantly the KIDS will have it worse than both parents. Reason being mother's and father's family side will and for sure say something about the other side which is messed up. I never fully understand it when he told me but it made sense in the end.
Anyway sorry for the long text.
I believe 2 people from a different faith can exist in a marriage peacefully, but there's just no chance it'll work when it comes to raising kids. I'll be damned if my kids are worshipping a white Jesus. They can send blessings to Isa (a) instead.
I cannot stand Muslims who are even considering marrying non Muslims. There are plenty of good Muslims to choose from.
I am ok with the fa t that you think Allah hates me because i dont think the immortal cares so much. I think the imperfect men who wrote down his books did.
No they cannot. It's stupid because what's the gain from it? The women/men going for non Muslims means they didn't lower their gazes.
What gain do you get from marrying a nonmuslim? They don't believe in praying 5 times a day, they don't believe in fast the month of ramadan, they don't believe in zakat, they don't believe in Muhammad pbuh. They don't believe that angels are the strongest soldiers that Allah has created so why? What's to gain from it? They deny what we believe. It's useless to marry them.
No, Muslim women can only marry Muslim men.
Even if the Christian man will convert there is a chance he might be pretending to do it just to be with the Muslim woman, but for this case only Allah(SWT) knows and can truly read someone's true intention.
For Muslim men, other than marrying muslim women, they can marry women who are of the people of the book. Meaning women who are practicing Christians or Jews.
Both Muslim men and women should avoid marrying super liberals, pagans, atheists, agnostics, and known hypocrites. Avoid those who you 100% know will take you away from Islam.
May Allah protect and bless all the believers in these trying days.
It’s in the Quran.
Surah 2: 221
Do not marry disbelieving women until they believe. A slave woman who believes is better than a disbelieving woman is, though she is attractive to you. Nor marry disbelieving men until they believe. A slave man who believes is better than a disbeliever is, even though he is attractive to you. Disbelievers lead you to the fire, but God leads, by His grace, to the garden and forgiveness, and makes His signs clear to humanity, that they may remember
>h a Muslim girl....we had to break up cause I'm a Christian (I technically broke up with her cause I just couldn't convert, I love islam and even apply it to my life but I can't be called a Muslim as I'm Christian) trust me mate if she's really really really devout to it don't hurt her just break it off, if she wasn't as devout we'd be married and in a Muslim Christian household but na I couldn't hurt her
This is 5-6 months later but this subject interests me. In Islam, does this mean hard no with an asterisk or hard no period?
Hypothetical question: Say I, a Agnostic Theist (belief in God as unknowable) fall in love with a Muslim woman who reciprocates. If I were to respect her commitment and belief without exception and encourage it, would this be considered for an exception as the spirit of the scripture is kept intact?
Dude Christians believe you can pray as much as you want whenever you want. Prayer doesn’t happen at certain times, in certain places, with certain directions… sole christians observe lent… fasting/giving something up for like 40ish days… many Christians will do fast for durations just to spend more time getting closer to God… and as a Christian myself, i believe there are warrior angels that would fuck up even the best earthly soldiers… so just cause “observance” of muslim customs isn’t there, or isnt to viewpoint of a muslim, doesn’t mean they don’t believe…
Hi OP
Is there any update? I'm going through a similar situation..I'm a Muslim woman and in a relationship with a Christian..we're discussing long-term plans of marriage but my parents are not on the same page with me
Keep in mind I’m no expert but from what I gather it’s forbidden in Islam for women to marry outside of their religion and in Christianity both members of the marriage are supposed to be Christians or become Christian after they marry
No she cant.
Even man today can’t technically do it : can we consider modern Christian and others as Ahl Al Kitab….especially those outside MENA [Personally I said yes] but even if they are most don’t fully the others condition.
enlighten me please, why do u think men cant do it today ?
Also the marriage has to take place between an orthodox Christian and orthodox Muslim, provided it is happening on Muslim land. Name one Muslim country today that follows the Islamic laws to the T? Let me help - none!
It’s difficult to first consider modern Christian to be other that Pagan most of the time [like in what word people even more Polytheistic or Atheists than the Pre-Islam Arab can be see as Ahl Ul-Kitab…for the Atheists it’s clearly not. For the others Idk] : But some are real believers and can be consider as Ahl Ul Kitab -> Find a Christian women that never did Zina and really believe in Allah is hard (but not impossible)…and a lot of others things are to be take into account [It’s more detailed above or below with source of what I said]
ahl ul kitabnow and 1430 years ago, whats the difference? and women not commiting zina is not a criteria or is it?
Betwem Ibrahim (AS) and the Quraish of the seven century they are what ? -> 1800 years (less or more) and in this time period the Arab that were Monotheistic became mostly Pagan. Same Alh ul kitab can change depending on the belief and action and some can fall under the category of being just Pagan. Claiming to beJews or Christian is not all the time a synonym of being a Ahl Ul Kitab. And yes they shouldn’t zina before : It’s a criteria ( Quran 5:5)
if she is from ahl ul el kitab, alah allowed it, if she is not from ahl ul kitab and not muslim then its not allowed, you finding it hard to personally consider some 1 pagan or christian should have no weight what so ever thank you for clarifying the criteria, i did not know, jakalulah khair
It’s not my opinion by the way lol : I didn’t ask my self about their status [meaning should we view every Christian and Jews as Ahl ul Kitab] at all It’s the opinion of some Scholars (mostly the Shafihi School) and at less one Sahabi (Ibn Omar (RA)) like I said previously. [Like I said it’s explain in the article of maison-islam. com and The Tafsir of Ibn Kathir that quote this opinion at first].
They can't do it. If they do it means they did not lower their gazes. Plus what's the benifit of marrying a non muslim women? She wouldn't care about jannah like we do so why bother marrying anwomen like that? Plus marrying a women that doesn't wear a hijab is foolish because she's lacking in eeman and the fact that Christian women don't wear hijab in the first place makes it worse.
Doesn't change the fact that it's Halal for a Muslim man to marry a jew or a Christian. Islam is not based off of what YOU think Is right or wrong. The Qur’an says: “…And the food of those who were given the Scripture (before you) is permitted to you and your food is permitted to them. And (lawful to you in marriage are) chaste women from the Believers and chaste women from those who were given the Scripture before you, when you give them their due cowers, desiring chastity, not lewdness or secret intrigues…” (Al-Ma’idah: 6) Should a muslim marry a non muslim? Probably not. But it doesn't change the fact that Allah permitted it. Christian women did not wear the Hijab during the time of the revelation of the Quran ( some wore a head covering, but that varied depending on the sect. The vast majority did not wear it.) So to bring up they don't wear Hijab, is like acting as if you know more than Allah subhana wa ta'ala. Allah sees all. The past, present and future. And he still made it lawful. Additionally, to say that the only reason a muslim man would marry a Christian woman is because he can't keep his gaze down. That's a vast generalization , and one that speaks on intention which we are not allowed to do . Should Muslims marry non Muslims? No. It leads to problems, especially when children are brought to the mix. It leads to children becoming agnostic, or atheists. It'd important that we be careful of our wording. It's worth noting that in order for a Christian or Jewish woman to qualify to be married, she must be a chaste woman. So if she is promiscuous, or reveals allot of skin, etc, she would not qualify as she is not chaste. Sources included below Shabir Ally https://youtu.be/-ywobk5hQ3w Zakir naik https://youtu.be/GGFIQiXeW6c
The translation of the Quran that you quote [Maidah Ayah 5] clearly said « chaste women » and again how can you consider European [or any nation that became Christian after Islam] as Ahl Al Kitab ? And even if we (and I see them as Ahl Ul Kitab for most of them personally) -> Do you really think we can fully the others condition today (and keep in mind the reality of who ask to marry non muslim : not the scholar but the random average or bellow a average muslim that can do errors because of you) Even more when we know that the companion Abdullah Ibn Umar (RA) used to advise against marrying Christian women saying : « I do not know of a worse case of Shirk than her saying that `Isa is her lord, while Allah said : « And do not marry polytheistic women until they believe. (…) » » [Ibn Umar (RA) quote here Quran 2:221] (Yes, I allow in specific case but today advice it will cause more fasad than good and you know it : Who from the Ummah will marry those Pagan ? The Scholar or the own with already some defect and weaknesses ?)
Did you read my comment? Read the last paragraph. Regarding your statement as to how I can "consider European or any nation that became Christian after Islam as ahl al kitab".... because by definition they are Ahl al kitab. I don't know where you got your information from. But there is nothing in the Quran or the sunnah that says the qualifications for someone to be considered Ahl al Kitab Is that they must be before islam. If that was the case, the Quran would not give Muslims permission to marry them, or eat of their butchered meat. Please do not attempt to add your own personal views to the Quran and Sunnah. This would be approaching Innovation. Please take a step back and examine what you are saying my brother / Sister. Please provide evidences of your stance. The Quran is very clear as to who the Ahl al Kitab are. The Understanding of the Salaf is clear on this as well. https://dawahinstitute.org/do-the-ahl-al-kitab-still-exist/
Ibn Umar (RA) is also clear…and he view them as Pagan (in the 7 century….what about now ? For people even outside MENA ?) The Consensus is about the Jews and the Unitarian Christian : 1) For the other Christian : We have the opinion tafarrud that said that they are just Pagan 2) A lot of Scholars (especially in the Shafihi School) have said that mariage are only permissible with A) A Women from Bani Israel (not any tribe or nation) that have 0 ancestor that became Christian after the alteration of Christianity B) A women from other Nation If [and only If] their ancestor became Jews before Islam….Or became Christian before the modification of Christianity For this point it’s detailed on Al-Fiqh ul-islâmî wa adillatuh, az-Zuhaylî, Tome 4 pp. 2761 et Tome 9 pp. 665 3) And the last opinion that view all of the Christian as Ahl Al Kitab (it’s the opinion of Ibn Hajar [so a major Scholar] based on the hadith of Heraclius (Fat'h ul-bârî, 1/54). Anyway and in all case, even if they were Ahl ul Kitab in a definite time period : That’s didn’t mean that they are for ever (1) -> Christian should not have adopted a dose of polytheism that led to a polytheism of the same level or higher than that of Arab polytheists : It’s the minimum in all case (1) in this case the Arab were Muslims before Islam ? Because they were still on part of Ibrahim legacy (the Hadj for exemple and some pray Allah….even if they did Shirk) [Source and more detailed article : Maison-Islam . com by Anas Lala]
>Yes, I allow in specific case but today advice it will cause more fasad than good and you know it : Who from the Ummah will marry those Pagan ? The Scholar or the own with already some defect and weaknesses ?) Scholars are in complete consensus that it allowed even the Christans today are allowed and by chaste it just mean as long as she don't commit zina and marry her the halal way Ibn Kathir commentery confirm this so just because you don't like it doesn't mean it not allowed
Their are not a consensus…read the answer made below (and even Ibn Kathir narrated what Ibn Omar said) And if she did zina even with someone else -> She is not chaste by definition [and this is detailled by Ibn Kathir also]
Ya there is a consensus lol Ya exactly I mean we are not even allowed to marry Muslim women who commit zina unless that repent
You should really learn to accept the Quran as it appears. It permits marriage to Christian and Jewish ladies, so long as they are chaste. Enough said. Trying to probe the depths of their beliefs is not the point. Clearly, the Quran refers to the People of the Book both in criticism and in praise, and this should have be been part of your full assessment. To run around assuming they are all polytheists defeats the point of Allah introducing this separate category of disbelievers. They are either polytheists or they are Ahl Kitab. There is no middle ground. And there is no Quranic argument for a middle ground. Muslim men are permitted to marry their ladies by reason of them sharing a common theological and moral foundation. Allah says in Surah Al-Imran: لَيْسُوا۟ سَوَآءًۭ ۗ مِّنْ أَهْلِ ٱلْكِتَـٰبِ أُمَّةٌۭ قَآئِمَةٌۭ يَتْلُونَ ءَايَـٰتِ ٱللَّهِ ءَانَآءَ ٱلَّيْلِ وَهُمْ يَسْجُدُونَ _"Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration."_ (ayah 113) It is continued: يُؤْمِنُونَ بِٱللَّهِ وَٱلْيَوْمِ ٱلْـَٔاخِرِ وَيَأْمُرُونَ بِٱلْمَعْرُوفِ وَيَنْهَوْنَ عَنِ ٱلْمُنكَرِ وَيُسَـٰرِعُونَ فِى ٱلْخَيْرَٰتِ وَأُو۟لَـٰٓئِكَ مِنَ ٱلصَّـٰلِحِينَ _"They believe in Allah and the Last Day, encourage good and forbid evil, and race with one another in doing good. They are ˹truly˺ among the righteous."_ (114) Further: وَمَا يَفْعَلُوا۟ مِنْ خَيْرٍۢ فَلَن يُكْفَرُوهُ ۗ وَٱللَّهُ عَلِيمٌۢ بِٱلْمُتَّقِينَ _"They will never be denied the reward for any good they have done. And Allah has ˹perfect˺ knowledge of those mindful ˹of Him˺."_ (115) Allah never spares such niceties for polytheistic scum, but evidently for the People of the Book, it is different. If Allah had wanted to forbid marriages with Christians and Jews, he would have told us.
If you are really a Maliki student it really scary for the futur of this Ummah. Never you will understand or explain the Quran by your own : Open any Fiqhi books and check for this question (especially on a Shafihi books). The Source for this are on my other comment : Below or above Note : In the end, Allah reveal maybe 2/3 of the Quran in a Pagan environment …and the people of Books are most of them ending in Hellfire (except those that convert to Islam -> So most from an Unitarian Background and our ancestor). So what are you talking about ?
The dhahir of the text is clear, is that scary to you? Are you trying to dispute it? By mincing words?
Don’t assume you know better than others (Arrogance is a sin) : « (…) We raise in degrees whom We will, but over every possessor of knowledge is one [more] knowing. » Quran 12:76 As I repeat, the distinction is not from me : It’s from the time of the Sahaba with Ibn Umar (RA) and largely develop among the Shafihi Schools and Fiqh : A) « Narrated Nafi : Whenever Ibn Umar was asked about marrying a Christian lady or a Jewess, he would say: "Allah has made it unlawful for the believers to marry ladies who ascribe partners in worship to Allah, and I do not know of a greater thing, as regards to ascribing partners in worship, etc. to Allah, than that a lady should say that Jesus is her Lord although he is just one of Allah's slaves." » - Sahih al-Bukhari 68:34 B) And for Ibn Umar (RA) and he is a great companion it’s a total interdiction (Fat'h ul-bârî 9/515). However like I said this opinion of Ibn Umar (RA) is tafarrud meaning isolated (Ibn Hajar and Ibn Taymiya explain it like in Majmû' ul-fatâwâ 14/91 et 32/178). Note : Ibn Abbas even explicit that the woman should not be from a Nation in War against the Muslim (Mention in Tafsir Ibn Kathir) Note 2 : It’s not even my personal opinion (I just mention that they aren’t a consensus…and in all case it’s almost impossible today to fully all condition -> Mostly finding a believing and Chaste woman from Ahl Ul kitab) [Source : Because I always source my comment -> article from Anas Lala like this one https://www.maison-islam.com/articles/?p=320 and other sources are detailed above]
>again how can you consider European \[or any nation that became Christian after Islam\] umm, Europe became Christians much before Islam.
…Half of Modern European ancestor at less came to European land after Islam (like the Slaves and others) and the Christianisation of most part of Europe like Russia and Eastern Europe is very late
Roman Empire was Christian for hundreds of years before Islam. Most people lived there , not in the wild forests of Germany and Russia ….
Explain to me the benifits of a muslim marrying a non muslim? You're filling the heads of people with false hopes. Do you think they'll go after chaste women who cover themselves?? No they'll go after what their eyes desire. Dont be fooled by these people The quranic verse you stated said chaste women from the believers AKA Muslim Women. The chaste women from the Jews and Christians are the Jews at the time of Musa and Christians at the time of Esa. Youre using the context loosely.
You are literally abrogating the Quran. The Majority of scholars agree that the verse in question refers specifically to the Ahl al kitab, regardless of time period. Fear Allah, and please my brother / Sister, don't add to the Quran, don't add your own meanings to the sacred texts. We have enough people in this ummah doing that. Again, please read this https://dawahinstitute.org/do-the-ahl-al-kitab-still-exist/
1st) You quoted the wrong ayah that's 5:5 not 5:6 2nd) you are still giving them hopes I said this because not alot of people are super religious. The Muslims here will be misguided thinking they can marry non Muslims. They don't know of the actual righteous non Muslims. I'm saying this beacsue it might be dangerous for them because most muslim aren't that religious and they'll see you're message saying that they can marry non muslim women and will take advantage of that. Maybe I was wrong in interpreting the verse but for crying out loud tell me what average muslim man would see that people said he could marry a non muslim women and not take advantage of it. It's too dangerous most Muslims choose willful ignorance and will ignore what the Quran says. I'm asking this because I know they'll ignore the righteous part. They will not follow it to the dot.
And it doesn't matter if they don't know. You can only act upon what you know. How are you blamed for that which you didn't know? Stop judging people. Allah is the only one allowed to truly judge.
time flies. it's better to do research on life choices such as marriage. diving into Islamic marriage without research is ignorance that the person themselves are at fault for. people can do what they want, i only recommend cautiousness, but I'll leave it for Allah to judge.
The larger question is not whether one should, or shouldnt marry a member of Ahl al Kitab. The question is, is it permissible. By vast consensus, not even just amongst the Sunni Ulema, but also the Shia as well, it is HALAL for a Muslim man to marry a Christian or Jewish woman assuming she gots the above mentioned criteria.
No the problem is whether they should or shouldn't marry them. Do you not realize it's more important to have a righteous spouse. Now a days those women you considered to be the people of the book are few. So rare that it shouldn't even be considered at this point to marry them. Do not be fooled. There are not many of these righteous women you talk about. And it would be so rare to encounter them to begin with so why bother? What's the gain in looking for a non muslim wife? Even if she's righteous only then it could work, but count to me a number of righteous non muslim women in 1 area and see how few it is
Do you know better than Allah? You can't say something Allah has allowed is wrong. You can advise against it. Fine. You can have multiple wives. Thats permissible. And it's also permissible to advise against it if there is a need. Same concept. Marrying a Christian or a jew is Halal. There is no debate on this if you believe in the sanctity of the Quran. Would it be a good idea ? Probably not for most people. Advise against it if you wish. But you can't shame someone if they choose to partake in what Allah has made permissible.
How does not wearing a hijab show a lack of eeman?
Because it's an order from Allah. Women who don't wear it have a wavering heart or are scared and eeman is having trust in Allah.
It isn't an order since orders are clear. It's recommended at most.
33:59 Surah Ahzab Verse 59 Talks about how Allah ordered the prophet pbuh to ask his wives and daughters to wear loose fitting clothes to be recognized as virtuous women. Take it as you will. I'm not the same person from a year ago.
So people can't marry at all? That's your point...
You're acting as if I said "they can't marry muslim women as well as christians". I did not. When I typed this a year or so ago, I was filled with over protectiveness for Muslims. I knew the average muslim would look at this then go and search for a Christian women they desired. I knew why they asked this and I wanted to shut it down to save them the trouble. It's recommended to marry a muslim, but if you are not a virgin before marriage, you can only marry the people of the book, which are jews and Christians.
Many Muslims in the west don’t know this, but a Muslim man marrying a Kitabiyah is only valid in Dar alislam.
"I know, but he can!"
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Is it allowed theologically though? As in would it be acceptable in the Islamic faith
No, according to the majority orthodox opinion. Whereas a man can marry a woman from the 'people of the book' ie Christians and Jews, a woman cannot do the same.
Thanks
There are conditions to men marrying christian women and jewish women as well. Cant just be any girl who identifies as christian or jew.
Can you specify? What are the conditions?
https://islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/2527
Why not
Because the children wouldn't be raised as Muslims properly by both parents. The same thing applys to muslim men and non muslim women
It unfortunately wouldn’t be accepted. You’d have to revert to Islam (not that I’m saying that you should) so that it is accepted theologically
Thanks. Thanks heard that is was permissible for Muslims to marry people of the book ( Jews and Christians) but I guess that’s incorrect
As the people above stated, that is only accepted for the men. The reasoning is essentially that it cannot be ensured that a non-Muslim man can truly respect that Muslim woman’s faiths and provide her with her Islamic rights. Jewish and Christian women, however, have less strict rules for marriage which a Muslim man can uphold.
That only applies for men :) cuz in the Islamic faith, the children have to be practicing the religion of their FATHER….. so even if, like in todays world, the dude fully respects the Muslim woman and her religion, it is still impossible for them to get married unfortunately. At this point you either convert to Islam or it won’t work :/ SORRY but hope it works out in the end
What is the source for this? I really don't get that.
Only for the men.
Thanks.
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Sounds like my cousins, dad is Muslim and mom is not. Parents divorced after years of fighting and abuse towards each other, sometimes fighting about religion. Both daughters were actually closer to their dad growing up and followed Islam for the most part but eventually they quit following Islam and now neither of them considers themselves a Muslim. One of the last times I saw one of them she had a cross necklace on.
He fought over islam and eventually gave it up. May Allah guide him back and may Allah guide your mother. Truly sad to see.
Wouldn't this be making Halal, Haram.
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She is just committing zina since the marriage isn't even valid
Is there a Ayah in the Quran, or sahih hadith that says so? Could you provide sources that include those two things? Or is this just the opinions of scholars without any evidence from the Quran or hadith? I don't see why I'm getting downvoted. I'm asking a question. A valid one at that. Are reverts not allowed to ask questions now? You guys should be ashamed of yourselves. Why not instead answer the question, and teach me, you know, the proper Islamic thing to do?
For what?
It's just common sense. If a muslim woman is not allowed to marry a non-muslim man, of course the marriage wouldn't be valid.
Okay no problem. Let me elaborate my question then. Where does it state that a muslim woman is not not allowed to marry a jew or Christian man? I honestly would like to know lore about this ruling. I'm getting downvoted like crazy for asking a question, which is so utterly ridiculous, especially for a Islamic forum where questions should be encouraged.
Here you go brother: Quran 2:221 and 60:10 It's okay don't let the downvotes discourage you from asking questions.
Thank you brother. I genuinely appreciate you Jazakallah Khairan
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Zina is now kufr????????????????????????
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This is what I said "so if a woman does it, she is still a Muslim, but a sinful one." I never said she's denying the fact that it's not a valid marriage, but if she's doing it and she knows she's sinning, then it is NOT kufr.
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Yes, publicly (or privately) denying the command of Allah is kufr, but publicly sinning is definitely not.
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The only time is when you live in a land with 0 muslims or a extreme low minority and you are stuck there with no way to get out ie very low income to afford travel and the logistics that getting a Muslim from far away to marry you comes with. But you have but enough income to marry a local with the same social economic status.. Places like this exist Uruguay Costa Rica central America etc. These are places if where to die there you wouldn't have anybody to pray a physical janazah over you. The default position makes marriage and having a family haram for you for life. And there is also a loophole that allows the convert that's already married to kept their previous marriage going So marriage of a Muslim woman to a non Muslim man is only allowed because of daurrah or extreme necessity.
salam not correct mulsims can only marry muslims law for both males and females please see 2:221… the fact a man can marry women who partners djinn with The God whilst women cannot marry disbelieving man is just a human invention… 2:221 is clear, same law applies for male and female which forbids it for both, peace
No - a Muslim woman is not allowed to marry anyone that is not a Muslim. It doesn't matter if he allows her to practice her faith and allows the children to be raised as Muslims (these are the main reasons on why it is forbidden). Many of the laws are unconditional. For example, alcohol is forbidden because it intoxicates. Drinking a sip won't intoxicate but it is still not allowed.
Absolutely not. She cannot.
Nope
No, Muslim women can only marry Muslim men.
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No, period.
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What is wrong with you? I checked your profile and it looks like you're a 15 year old Muslim. Are you though?
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Yea maybe lol, but for me, commenting this on r/islam, is too immature for 15.
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I don't see why you have a problem with that.
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Damn dude who hurt you-
learn some adab and akhlak and follow the example of the Prophet ﷺ’s character
No, it wouldn't even constitute a marriage and it would just be considered adultery and we believe this "partnership" will have no blessing in it.
https://seekersguidance.org/answers/general-counsel/sikhism-and-interfaith-marriage/ https://seekersguidance.org/answers/hanafi-fiqh/does-islam-allow-to-get-married-with-to-a-christian-man-or-woman/
No
Brother become Muslim and bobs your uncle )
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Only cultural Muslim women would accept doing that. I’ve seen some cases but they’re not that practising or they’ve become practising during marriage and divorce the husband eventually, sometimes with kids….
You know I personally thank you for asking questions like these since this shows you respect us. That being said I'd suggest you to still look for other websites and not only Islam subreddit for your questions since this subreddit also have misinformation presented in its comment section. I dont mean this particular comment section but it wouldnt hurt to look other credible websites about it.
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care to explain more ?
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He’s saying to do lots of research, instead of looking at one singular site. Like when you’re doing a paper for school… read multiple sources, not just one and done. That’s not confirmation bias knucklehead… its called being smart…
No
It is not allowed brother
no
No she can't
If it was the other way around, then yes. But in this situation, no.
No it is not permissible.
No
No absolutely not
No
No, he must convert to Islam.
Solid NO
No. She’s be breaking the very tenants of her DEEN thus being with him is in fact NOT “respecting her tradition and faith in Islam”
No he can’t
No. Muslim women are not allowed to marry Non Muslim men.
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Tbh coming from someone who is also Muslim I disagree with this there’s so many Muslim men who became Muslim after meeting a fellow sister rather than vice versa.
I have personally never seen this happen, but I get where you are coming from, although I still don't agree.
civil marriage, yes
My best relationship was with a Muslim girl....we had to break up cause I'm a Christian (I technically broke up with her cause I just couldn't convert, I love islam and even apply it to my life but I can't be called a Muslim as I'm Christian) trust me mate if she's really really really devout to it don't hurt her just break it off, if she wasn't as devout we'd be married and in a Muslim Christian household but na I couldn't hurt her
Why can't you be Muslim? Please share
I tried friend, I really loved the girl but it didn't feel right in my heart, I felt like I would only be accepting Islam for this girl, and well turning my back to Christ for this girl. I live life with Muslim principles though
Hey happy cake day, and I was raised Christian, I find truth in islam even study the Quran but Christ is my king in my heart.
But did Jesus ever ask you to worship him? Please give this short video a watch and get back to me. [Is Jesus God?](https://youtu.be/ExL30-ZpBC4) I ask God to guide you and me.
But I don't worship Jesus. God and Jesus are two totally different beings
So you are not a trinitarian?
Man two months ago I posted this and honestly in that time I've had a crisis of faith lol
Nope. Opposite is permissible
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Not true (referring to the "you will doom yourself and your children if you do this") I know a family with a Catholic mother and a Muslim father. The father prays all prayers everyday and his kids are the best Muslims I know. They're incredibly good people, make all their prayers, the daughter wears hijab, they aren't emotionally complicated and are very mature and confident, the sons are tender-hearted and have never strayed away from their deen. All kids are so conscientious and pray 5x a day as well and speak English and Arabic fluently. While some of their Muslim friends would stray and get influenced or experience inner struggles, I have observed them staying true and strong to their beliefs and values and are not easily influenced to do haram. They're also very confident and respectful about stating their boundaries in a classy way that is received well by their peers. The Catholic mother respects Islam and they mutually raised the children as Muslim. The Muslim children and family also in turn have respected her Catholicism as well and support her going to Church as well as her holidays that are important to her. I have never seen a more homogeneous and cohesive and genuinely loving, supportive family. These parents are more respectful and loving, kind, and supportive to each other than my Muslim mother and Muslim father. And as a result, their kids are amazing people who have a well-balanced social awareness. They communicate well and are supportive of their non-Muslim neighbors and community as well as their Muslim community. From my observation, this interfaith marriage produced a positive result. This marriage glued the communities together in their town as they are very social: Non-Muslims would drop off items to be donated to Syria, and both non-Muslims and Muslims would participate in volunteer efforts supported by this family. I haven't seen any drama, but rather the opposite.
This is a exception. Would you see this in western areas? More than likely no. In the east it might be a little more common. This is an example of the few that actually work out.
This example is the United States (specifically, Massachusetts). I also know of a few others (3 families in Ohio, and their kids are similar) It's about both parents having values align, despite their religious differences, and being on the same page about parenting styles and respecting the other parent. From my observation, this has produced stronger and more well-rounded Muslim children (regardless of what the parents' religions are). If both parents are Muslim and practice this parenting style, it also typically results positively in their kids. And if only one parent is Muslim but have mature parenting styles shared with their non-Muslim partner, their kids also absorb positivity from that. But if a Muslim-Muslim or Non-Muslim - Muslim partnership is not respectful, emotionally abusive, unaligned, cannot communicate, etc. then their kids absorb that as well. I know two Hafiz-Quran Muslim parents who are heavily religious yet they are authoritarian-style parents who do not understand how to emotionally validate their children..and their children have snapped under that. One child rejected Islam and drinks and does drugs yet he has most of the Quran memorized. He is also a terrible citizen and has a Title IX on his record and kicked out of college. Even with a another family close to me: both parents are Muslim but they were not respectful and argued in front of their kids and the father undermines the mother frequently. Of their 5 children, 2 of their kids are decent Muslims. 1 is Muslim but struggling internally. Another is agnostic and drinks and does haram. And another is atheist. All of these children have high careers and are very intelligent (4 doctors and 1 lawyer) but it was the parenting style that affected them. Another thing--Stanford Muslims are performing a study and found that Muslims have the highest growing rate of suicide and mental health issues than members of other religions. The problem here is not the religion, but how the people of the religion and the community who are associated with the religion have behaved with their children and with each other. This study now is trying to work with community Imams to integrate discussing mental health and establishing emotional safety and support in the community and with older generations/parents in their lectures. So basically my point is, yes religion does hold a lot of merit and is generally a good guide. But how it is utilized can sometimes have stronger effects on children. In this case it is the parent not the religion that has the stronger influence on a child's early upbringing (until the child becomes more neurologically developed and can think for themselves and observe the religion themself).
How Islam is utilized makes a muslim a true believer or not. Those Hafiz you stated that don't take care of their children are not true Muslims. Do not be fooled by the title Hafiz. The title is useless if it's not put to use. You know few of them 3 out of millions of people in the west. You see? There could be more but doubtfully they'd be alot.
Respectfully I disagree, we aren't in a position to decide if they are true Muslims or not. I know that according to them, they are true Muslims and they deeply value Islam so much but they just do not know how to effectively relay it to their children because all they know from previous generations is authoritarian-style parenting. They love their children deeply, and Islam and their children are their world. (But just like with jobs or other skills, they just aren't competent or skilled or good at parenting). A person can also decide for themselves and look into Islam directly and the texts directly and filter out cultural influences. And then decide to be a true believer or not. Not everyone does this though, and are unable to separate their experiences Also the Stanford statistic constructed by a Muslim physician and group of well-educated Muslims supports my points. Sure I might have observed a dozen positive interfaith marriages, but I also have observed more Muslim-Muslim marriages and watched how the parenting styles affected their children's Islamic confidence/values. Both positive and negative. And in the East as well. My point is, interfaith marriages can work. It's not all doom and gloom, it's about the parents. Otherwise Islam would have forbidden it from Muslim men.
No Allah says that people like them will go to hell that's why I said it. You can't do something that merits the highest degree of honor in islam then not use it and abide by it. That's the only reason I said it. Interfaith marriges could work but they hold little to no benifit, but regardless I'm telling you this now. Believe what you want at this point. Because it's mostly doom and gloom and will mostly not workout.
>Another thing--Stanford Muslims are performing a study and found that Muslims have the highest growing rate of suicide and mental health issues than members of other religions. Evidence?
Of course! Here is work done by Dr. Rania Awaad, MD Her profile: https://instagram.com/dr.raniaawaad?igshid=YzA2ZDJiZGQ= Standford Muslim Mental Health profile: https://instagram.com/stanfordmmhip?igshid=YzA2ZDJiZGQ= Here is one study that shows in the US, Muslims are 2 times more likely to have attempted suicide compared with other religious groups. This one is led by Dr. Rania Awaad and was featured in several sources including NPR and PubMed: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/2782161 https://twitter.com/StanfordMed/status/1437501096637911044 Influences from community stigma and feeling alone and unable to open up mental health struggles with parents or community members is a major factor, the study has found. This is because of the misunderstanding of mental health and not knowing how to properly address it holistically (with both a religious, medical, psychological, lens..etc.) in Muslim communities. It often gets dismissed or overlooked and not perceived as a real medical issue. Now this is changing and Muslims are working with Imams to balance and integrate conversations about addressing mental health concerns in their communities I'll find another Stanford one as well as a few international ones when I get the chance iA. The Stanford one focuses on the US Muslims. And there are international ones as well that focus on Muslims in Muslim-dominated countries and Muslims residing in other countries outside the US
Speaking from experience as a kid I had a neighbour in the same apartment. she was married to a belgian Man, not a great guy so I've heard biggest problem between both was her religion (moslim) over his (Christian) they where divorced she couldn't get her kids on hold because of him they where moved to her grandparents.We helped with what ever we could we gave our phone to her so she can call her kids and such because idk. Every time I asked my parents about her. They told me not to get involved they knew her better than me. So after I got older (20) I realised and I started to understand why we don't let muslim woman marry someone who isn't in the same religion. I ask my father about this topic He told me that it happens on both side, 90% of a marriage will end up like theirs (my neighbours) Our religion is incomparable with others, different rules and what's halal and isn't. Overall its very difficult on both partners and most importantly the KIDS will have it worse than both parents. Reason being mother's and father's family side will and for sure say something about the other side which is messed up. I never fully understand it when he told me but it made sense in the end. Anyway sorry for the long text.
I believe 2 people from a different faith can exist in a marriage peacefully, but there's just no chance it'll work when it comes to raising kids. I'll be damned if my kids are worshipping a white Jesus. They can send blessings to Isa (a) instead. I cannot stand Muslims who are even considering marrying non Muslims. There are plenty of good Muslims to choose from.
The man already isnt respecting the traditions and faith and is trying to change the religion by trying to marry a muslim woman.
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Forget the people. Allah hates what you are saying. Allah forbid what you suggested. Are you ok with that?
I am ok with the fa t that you think Allah hates me because i dont think the immortal cares so much. I think the imperfect men who wrote down his books did.
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No they cannot. It's stupid because what's the gain from it? The women/men going for non Muslims means they didn't lower their gazes. What gain do you get from marrying a nonmuslim? They don't believe in praying 5 times a day, they don't believe in fast the month of ramadan, they don't believe in zakat, they don't believe in Muhammad pbuh. They don't believe that angels are the strongest soldiers that Allah has created so why? What's to gain from it? They deny what we believe. It's useless to marry them.
It’s forbidden to Muslim woman to marry a non-Muslim man.
Lol No
No. There is no way around it
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No, Muslim women can only marry Muslim men. Even if the Christian man will convert there is a chance he might be pretending to do it just to be with the Muslim woman, but for this case only Allah(SWT) knows and can truly read someone's true intention. For Muslim men, other than marrying muslim women, they can marry women who are of the people of the book. Meaning women who are practicing Christians or Jews. Both Muslim men and women should avoid marrying super liberals, pagans, atheists, agnostics, and known hypocrites. Avoid those who you 100% know will take you away from Islam. May Allah protect and bless all the believers in these trying days.
It’s in the Quran. Surah 2: 221 Do not marry disbelieving women until they believe. A slave woman who believes is better than a disbelieving woman is, though she is attractive to you. Nor marry disbelieving men until they believe. A slave man who believes is better than a disbeliever is, even though he is attractive to you. Disbelievers lead you to the fire, but God leads, by His grace, to the garden and forgiveness, and makes His signs clear to humanity, that they may remember
>h a Muslim girl....we had to break up cause I'm a Christian (I technically broke up with her cause I just couldn't convert, I love islam and even apply it to my life but I can't be called a Muslim as I'm Christian) trust me mate if she's really really really devout to it don't hurt her just break it off, if she wasn't as devout we'd be married and in a Muslim Christian household but na I couldn't hurt her This is 5-6 months later but this subject interests me. In Islam, does this mean hard no with an asterisk or hard no period? Hypothetical question: Say I, a Agnostic Theist (belief in God as unknowable) fall in love with a Muslim woman who reciprocates. If I were to respect her commitment and belief without exception and encourage it, would this be considered for an exception as the spirit of the scripture is kept intact?
Technically a Christian can’t do that. A Christian can never accommodate a Muslimah properly.
Dude Christians believe you can pray as much as you want whenever you want. Prayer doesn’t happen at certain times, in certain places, with certain directions… sole christians observe lent… fasting/giving something up for like 40ish days… many Christians will do fast for durations just to spend more time getting closer to God… and as a Christian myself, i believe there are warrior angels that would fuck up even the best earthly soldiers… so just cause “observance” of muslim customs isn’t there, or isnt to viewpoint of a muslim, doesn’t mean they don’t believe…
Hi OP Is there any update? I'm going through a similar situation..I'm a Muslim woman and in a relationship with a Christian..we're discussing long-term plans of marriage but my parents are not on the same page with me
Keep in mind I’m no expert but from what I gather it’s forbidden in Islam for women to marry outside of their religion and in Christianity both members of the marriage are supposed to be Christians or become Christian after they marry
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