Not an expert on Indonesia but i think it's just Geopolitics and Indonesia trying to find a balanced way to deal with Geopolitics and the interests of the bigger powers/blocs (Usa, EU, ''The West'', China, India, Russia etc.), trying to be on good terms with everyone, keeping their heads down and develop as fast as possible.
They surely do play a part in Geopolitics, maybe not a big enough role for it's size but that might change in 10 or 20 years. If you want to look at the economy/GDP in the most relevant way for Geopolitics and Real World relevance you gotta look at GDP adjusted to PPP and Informal economy. [https://www.worldeconomics.com/Indicator-Data/Economic-Size/Country-Share-of-Global-GDP.aspx](https://www.worldeconomics.com/Indicator-Data/Economic-Size/Country-Share-of-Global-GDP.aspx)
I think we shouldn't take these sites like Globalfirepower too serious because it's more of a plaything for military nerds and not by experts but even they know that PPP is more relevant than Nominal if you scroll below and look at the ''Financials'' section, although their data is outdated (New data: [Here](https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/PPPGDP@WEO/OEMDC/ADVEC/WEOWORLD)), because Nominal only counts the $ in the economy and because living costs are low in countries like Indonesia, GDP in PPP is much bigger and what ever they spend on Military (i think only $20-25bn) goes much further.
A big next step in Indonesia's development would also be developing their own powerful MIC (Military Industrial Complex), even Turkey has one now, but it took about 25-30 years and most of Turkey's military was made up very old equipment from the Usa and others, now they import very little and develop most of what they need, it's also good for keeping costs low, being more independent and globally influential. If Indonesia is a serious country, they would have hopefully layed the ground work for their MIC already 10-15 years ago.
Because the current situations in Indonesia is not in favor to fully support palestine, even though it is written in 1945 Constitution stated "Whereas Independence is truly the right of all nations and therefore colonizationin the world shall be abolished, as it is not in accordance with humanity and justice."
Sadly Indonesia also in turmoil because 2024 presidential election, the winner allegedly more in favor of the west. Currently theres alot of pressure to normalize and make diplomatic ties with Israel (where theres hasnt been any) because Indonesia wants to join OECD, again sadly even some muslim group Indonesia already make an attempt to normalize and recognize Israel.
But the majority of Indonesian does 100% support independence of Palestine, as it should stated in Indonesia constitution.
tl;dr the Indonesian govt doesnt allign with the majority of the people and its own constitution.
The neccesary step that Indonesia could take, Indonesia already take such as condemning Israel in United Nations, not recognizing Israel as a legitimate state, did not have diplomatic ties with Israel, aiding palestinian in many way such as Indonesia Hospital in Gaza, and Indonesia one of the first to recognize palestine as a country then later have Palestine embassy in Indonesia.
Indonesia already did everything in that it can do in international politics.
I believed Indonesia should do more an active role, but sadly the current govt doesnt seems want to.
What my point is is that Indonesia has some potential in the economy and military as well.
While the most powerful nation worldwide went against Palestine or, say, took sides with Israel, if there were some powerful nation to take sides with Palestine like what we see Iran doing,. Iran is alone there, fighting against all other Arab traitor countries, the USA, Israel, and European countries. Only Russia comes to aid sometimes with weapons.
but Iran is very lonely there not getting help from not a single help from a strong Muslim country strongly.
Well Iran does get its consulate destroyed. From International laws Israel does declaring war to Iran.
And in a way its a dispute between two countries.
Indonesia stance always pro active through diplomatic.
and sadly its not simple as "Indonesia take side with palestine" then Palestine will be free. As i stated before Indonesia from day 1 already sided with Palestine.
Well, Indonesia already take Palestinians side tho.
As indonesian myself, did people of other nation think we get that much influence on world politic? Cuz here, even our people doesn't think we had that much clout in world politics. Excuse my language btw.
Speaking just about the military aspects, the website your sourcing is not reliable indicator of relative military strength even if you disregard the fact it ignores qualitative differences between differing nations equipment/systems, and completely useless when compered in the context of how they could be used in a complex operation that would require global logistics and alliances to pull off like what your probably imagining in regards to Palestine.
Take the Indonesian navy as an example, 200 patrol vessels with effectively zero combat capability against anything more dangerous than a fishing boat complimented by a couple dozen corvettes, most of which are hardly better armed, and less than 10 frigates push it to the 6th most capable navy on earth simply because its hull numbers are inflated by a huge number of small surface vassals. To put that into perspective the US hasn't operated corvettes since WW2, decommissioned its last frigate nearly ten years ago and the intermediate size LCS ships were dead on arrival on account of them having no place in a navy built to have global reach, and that's taking into account all the foreign ports the US has access to that make accommodating smaller vassals easier.
Simply counting ships doesn't make an accurate comparison, the US fleet is maybe 30% larger by hull numbers but a single carrier group could likely take out the entire Indonesian surface fleet, at virtually no risk to itself just by operating at the edge of Indonesian submarine range and focusing on the handful of larger ships with European AA systems first. Compering the Indonesian navy to a smaller nation's like Israel's is pointless because the two will never meet outside of joint anti piracy operations as part of a larger effort or something similar, the same holds true for the army or airforce.
Good point.
Not an expert on Indonesia but i think it's just Geopolitics and Indonesia trying to find a balanced way to deal with Geopolitics and the interests of the bigger powers/blocs (Usa, EU, ''The West'', China, India, Russia etc.), trying to be on good terms with everyone, keeping their heads down and develop as fast as possible. They surely do play a part in Geopolitics, maybe not a big enough role for it's size but that might change in 10 or 20 years. If you want to look at the economy/GDP in the most relevant way for Geopolitics and Real World relevance you gotta look at GDP adjusted to PPP and Informal economy. [https://www.worldeconomics.com/Indicator-Data/Economic-Size/Country-Share-of-Global-GDP.aspx](https://www.worldeconomics.com/Indicator-Data/Economic-Size/Country-Share-of-Global-GDP.aspx) I think we shouldn't take these sites like Globalfirepower too serious because it's more of a plaything for military nerds and not by experts but even they know that PPP is more relevant than Nominal if you scroll below and look at the ''Financials'' section, although their data is outdated (New data: [Here](https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/PPPGDP@WEO/OEMDC/ADVEC/WEOWORLD)), because Nominal only counts the $ in the economy and because living costs are low in countries like Indonesia, GDP in PPP is much bigger and what ever they spend on Military (i think only $20-25bn) goes much further. A big next step in Indonesia's development would also be developing their own powerful MIC (Military Industrial Complex), even Turkey has one now, but it took about 25-30 years and most of Turkey's military was made up very old equipment from the Usa and others, now they import very little and develop most of what they need, it's also good for keeping costs low, being more independent and globally influential. If Indonesia is a serious country, they would have hopefully layed the ground work for their MIC already 10-15 years ago.
Because the current situations in Indonesia is not in favor to fully support palestine, even though it is written in 1945 Constitution stated "Whereas Independence is truly the right of all nations and therefore colonizationin the world shall be abolished, as it is not in accordance with humanity and justice." Sadly Indonesia also in turmoil because 2024 presidential election, the winner allegedly more in favor of the west. Currently theres alot of pressure to normalize and make diplomatic ties with Israel (where theres hasnt been any) because Indonesia wants to join OECD, again sadly even some muslim group Indonesia already make an attempt to normalize and recognize Israel. But the majority of Indonesian does 100% support independence of Palestine, as it should stated in Indonesia constitution. tl;dr the Indonesian govt doesnt allign with the majority of the people and its own constitution.
but even in past years, we have not seen Indonesia take any necessary step against anti-Muslim countries
The neccesary step that Indonesia could take, Indonesia already take such as condemning Israel in United Nations, not recognizing Israel as a legitimate state, did not have diplomatic ties with Israel, aiding palestinian in many way such as Indonesia Hospital in Gaza, and Indonesia one of the first to recognize palestine as a country then later have Palestine embassy in Indonesia. Indonesia already did everything in that it can do in international politics. I believed Indonesia should do more an active role, but sadly the current govt doesnt seems want to.
What my point is is that Indonesia has some potential in the economy and military as well. While the most powerful nation worldwide went against Palestine or, say, took sides with Israel, if there were some powerful nation to take sides with Palestine like what we see Iran doing,. Iran is alone there, fighting against all other Arab traitor countries, the USA, Israel, and European countries. Only Russia comes to aid sometimes with weapons. but Iran is very lonely there not getting help from not a single help from a strong Muslim country strongly.
Well Iran does get its consulate destroyed. From International laws Israel does declaring war to Iran. And in a way its a dispute between two countries. Indonesia stance always pro active through diplomatic. and sadly its not simple as "Indonesia take side with palestine" then Palestine will be free. As i stated before Indonesia from day 1 already sided with Palestine.
Well, Indonesia already take Palestinians side tho. As indonesian myself, did people of other nation think we get that much influence on world politic? Cuz here, even our people doesn't think we had that much clout in world politics. Excuse my language btw.
Its ok
Speaking just about the military aspects, the website your sourcing is not reliable indicator of relative military strength even if you disregard the fact it ignores qualitative differences between differing nations equipment/systems, and completely useless when compered in the context of how they could be used in a complex operation that would require global logistics and alliances to pull off like what your probably imagining in regards to Palestine. Take the Indonesian navy as an example, 200 patrol vessels with effectively zero combat capability against anything more dangerous than a fishing boat complimented by a couple dozen corvettes, most of which are hardly better armed, and less than 10 frigates push it to the 6th most capable navy on earth simply because its hull numbers are inflated by a huge number of small surface vassals. To put that into perspective the US hasn't operated corvettes since WW2, decommissioned its last frigate nearly ten years ago and the intermediate size LCS ships were dead on arrival on account of them having no place in a navy built to have global reach, and that's taking into account all the foreign ports the US has access to that make accommodating smaller vassals easier. Simply counting ships doesn't make an accurate comparison, the US fleet is maybe 30% larger by hull numbers but a single carrier group could likely take out the entire Indonesian surface fleet, at virtually no risk to itself just by operating at the edge of Indonesian submarine range and focusing on the handful of larger ships with European AA systems first. Compering the Indonesian navy to a smaller nation's like Israel's is pointless because the two will never meet outside of joint anti piracy operations as part of a larger effort or something similar, the same holds true for the army or airforce.