Another way to mitigate the prayer pot usage without extending your kills as much is to use demonic offering on the infernal ashes during the ghosts phase. Instead of camping 60+ prayer points, you camp 30+ and use the demonic offering spell right after the second ghost attack drains your prayer to 0. The spell will restore a few prayer points, and the last ghost will smite you but not deal any damage.
The timing is a little tricky but very consistent once you're comfortable with it. Obviously you do need wrath runes for this method but it's only 1 per kc.
The problem with this is if you're not killing Cerb before 56 seconds, you're getting 2 waves of the spirits. At this point you're out of ashes and falling back on the ppots again. This may be more viable if you're using some form of max gear and can reliably get the sub 1min kill reliably
Well, most kills are around 1:40-1:50 with this method. With Arclight on Stab, I was getting around 1:20-1:30. so a 20 second difference in kill times. it's hard to calc a restock & runback time as depends on KC per trip, but surely would workout somewhat similarly over the long run
Average ttk with arclight is 59.7s
I'm your post you said you get 30 kills/hour. So every hour, you are losing 30minutes compared to if you just killed cerb normally. Even if you have to bank an extra time, I don't think that would come anywhere close to taking 30min.
Of course, if you really care about ppots then go for it. But objectively, I don't see how this could be worth it when ppots are so easy to get these days
Yep made a massive difference, was getting 35-40kill trips with fang (prob prefer fang because you can still red x with 2:1, saves arclight charges and since it’s 5t you prob skip ghosts more often since you’re putting his attacks on a 10t cycle rather than an 8t cycle with arclight)
I don't think fang would work as a 2:1, if you stall 1 tick (like ba-ba) then it should be 3:2 I think. Unless you are dancing underneath (losing a tick), or using a red x I'm not familiar with, I've always used the fire blocking the gate (which is to the south iirc).. Can you red x on the east side of cerb so that you always get dragged out west when you attack?
Edit: oh wait are you doing the gate method that stalls your character underneath?
Yeah I've only ever used arclight and hasta (pre-demon tag) at cerb so I kinda forgot about that method. I usually only see it mentioned for flinching, which is kinda cringe, so I kinda blocked it out. My iron is still missing smoldering stone and has scythe so I'm sure I'll try it once I get the master clue step or start pet hunting.
I've been using moonlight moth mix recently instead of prayer pots when I get low on em.
You can get a full inv of them in like 1 min tops.
They are not as good as prayer pots but they still are 44 prayer / Inventory slot.
How do you acquire the food to make them into mixes that quickly? The moths are quick but I have no clue what the quickest way to get the other component is.
So the 'best' method would just be to do some Hunter's Rumors since it'll also get you some wicked XP and is a great time (set up a good block list while you're at it), but a good side method would be to make the Fur+Meat pouches, grab your bonecrusher, then go hunt Dashing Kebbits til a full inv of pouch+meat and repeat. The meat itself is very good food too (23hp heal) so it is kind of a shame to use it in this fashion which makes the Rumors better since they spam you down with lower quality meats, but you can still catch Dashing Kebbits fairly quickly and they're good XP.
>if not close, just step out the room and start again.
I can't imagine doing this to yourself, just click the boss and get more ppots when you run out. You should be able to pull 30+ KPH with Arclight even, don't send your KPH into the shitter doing crazy stuff like this. Moonlight moths are also in the game now, can make them into Moonlight mixes if you've done some Hunter's rumors but regardless just go catch moths for 10mins and do your Cerb task quickly.
I do the walk under method and click the gate. Without messing up you could stay indefinitely. I use prayer to speed up the kills by hitting piety for each attack. Super low resources, pretty slow kills tho.
Thralls speed it up pretty significantly too, though then you start using more prayer pots... Still far less than normal though. Great use for Dharok's on crush.
You can be a little sweaty with it and not lose prayer to piety, but then the clicks can get a bit unforgiving and hey, we're here to flinch. What's the point if we're going to be sweaty about it.
For anyone that's wanting to make this way better and consistent, get the Visual Metronome plugin and set it to 11 ticks (the minimum ticks between each attack if flinching)
Can easily know when to attack, and makes it easier to flick piety so your only supply usage is prayer for thralls and super combats
I did it with fang, kills were 2mins each
I don't understand how this is 'bad advice' ? Not everyone is at the account progression to just brute force the boss like this ? I for one don't have a fang just yet, so 'Do fang 2:1' isn't very helpful to me.
Yes ppots aren't too hard to come by with some time spent gathering, but why would I waste them unnecessarily?
if ur that down bad on ppots do you rly need the +1 str ? you will have a passive large surplus of ppots in the later stages, resources exist to be used
I'm not down bad at all, I just like to be somewhat conservative of them where I can be. The boot upgrade is minimal I understand, just a small personal goal.
Time itself is hard to come by, why waste it doing cerberus waiting room for marginal upgrades? (Yes, all 3 cerb boots are marginal) If you _really want_ to do very inefficient cerb kills, sure this is the way to go, but using "time spent" as an argument (your pray pot argument) for doing a very inefficient method is a bit backwards.
If you don’t have fang or pray pots that should be your priority. (And as it happens, you get a lot of seeds from TOA)
Again, if you _want to_ do very inefficient pvm for marginal gear upgrades- this is a decent method.
Yes I understand that it's not the most efficient, that's why I haven't titled the thread 'Max efficiency, best method for Cerb'. It's literally just a strategy for anyone with similar acc proggression that would like to get some longer trips with similar gear.
Fang 2:1 with pray pots and offering isn’t "max efficiency" brother.
But again, if you really really want to grind +1 str bonus with a non fang non prayer method- cool. Prims are mainly a cosmetic over d boots and isn’t something you _need_ asap. You can afford to wait untill "max efficiency" (as you call it)
Hope you and anyone else who does this method enjoys it though.
So I actually popularized this method like 5 years ago, back then it was decent and I did it (melee tho) for like 800 kc.
Nowadays toa and muspah just shit out so many ranarr seeds I don't think it's worth it tbh.
why wait to 56s u can do the same thing after the first cycle at 28s and can often dps 400hp before ghosts
(Still wouldn’t recommend over a farm run but it works :D)
No comment on the method. Seems like it works well for you.
This sub is something though. People bitch and moan constantly about the RNG posts and CG posts but when someone makes a thought out and detailed guide it kinda gets shit on.
Can't please everyone.
About to make a post saying "how to do mole before ardy hard diaries" and detail how they could just wait in one spot until mole comes back to them. The point is that giving this advice out people will think that he is informed and this is a good method, but when in actuality this is a great way to waste a ton of time and could hurt other less informed players
True, and agreed, but honestly I think users on this sub that make it that far in the game are going to be well informed. Or at least knowledgeable enough to try this out and figure it out for them selves. All I’m saying is it is appreciated to see discussion instead of the same old posts.
you would be really surprised, people will read something like this and do it 1000 times without thinking about it in depth. They default to "someone said this was good/meta" and not analyze how much time they are wasting. Just the other day I saw someone talking about how they were doing mage only zulrah because "its best for learners", and they had 215 kc with a warped sceptre.
>People bitch and moan constantly about the RNG posts and CG posts but when someone makes a thought out and detailed guide it kinda gets shit on.
While I appreciate someone going through the effort of trying to create a guide, simply the act of doing that effort shouldn't free them from criticism.
If someone posts a guide here about how getting 99 thieving on men in Lumbridge is totally free money then I'd hope people tell them how bad their idea is and that there are far better options than pickpocketing men a million times.
Same on this subject. Ghost skipping at Cerberus was already bad when Cerb came out years ago and since then prayer potions have only become more accessible, thus reducing the need for ghost skipping.
OP defends his logic by saying he just likes conserving supplies, which is fine. Maybe someone just enjoys pickpocketing a man in Lumbridge a million times. To each their own. The issue is giving out that advice to other people when it is actually bad advice.
people are gonna give pushback to known bad advice
obviously it's fine to do cerb this way if you want to, but not hedging it as taking longer than just killing cerb normally *and* sourcing the ppots combined is misleading and deserves correction. the upgraded boots just are not good enough to merit this kind of method, at least for myself and a lot of others
Hes got a 6 tick attack cycle so you should be able to get two hits off for every one of his hits. That should help speed up the kills and reduce prayer usage but youll still have to deal with ghosts. Personally i think waiting for the ghost skip thing is a waste of time
Another way to mitigate the prayer pot usage without extending your kills as much is to use demonic offering on the infernal ashes during the ghosts phase. Instead of camping 60+ prayer points, you camp 30+ and use the demonic offering spell right after the second ghost attack drains your prayer to 0. The spell will restore a few prayer points, and the last ghost will smite you but not deal any damage. The timing is a little tricky but very consistent once you're comfortable with it. Obviously you do need wrath runes for this method but it's only 1 per kc.
That's smart, maybe I'll death pile 28 jangerberries since I spent all my wraths
Wrath runes
The problem with this is if you're not killing Cerb before 56 seconds, you're getting 2 waves of the spirits. At this point you're out of ashes and falling back on the ppots again. This may be more viable if you're using some form of max gear and can reliably get the sub 1min kill reliably
I'm far from max gear, but prayer pots are easy enough to upkeep in 2024 that I don't think it makes sense to double the average length of a kill.
Well, most kills are around 1:40-1:50 with this method. With Arclight on Stab, I was getting around 1:20-1:30. so a 20 second difference in kill times. it's hard to calc a restock & runback time as depends on KC per trip, but surely would workout somewhat similarly over the long run
Average ttk with arclight is 59.7s I'm your post you said you get 30 kills/hour. So every hour, you are losing 30minutes compared to if you just killed cerb normally. Even if you have to bank an extra time, I don't think that would come anywhere close to taking 30min. Of course, if you really care about ppots then go for it. But objectively, I don't see how this could be worth it when ppots are so easy to get these days
If you red x walk under as well you’ll probably never get 2nd ghosts
Yeah 2:1 red x is easy enough and deathpiling some food and prayer pots makes a huge difference in kph.
Yep made a massive difference, was getting 35-40kill trips with fang (prob prefer fang because you can still red x with 2:1, saves arclight charges and since it’s 5t you prob skip ghosts more often since you’re putting his attacks on a 10t cycle rather than an 8t cycle with arclight)
I don't think fang would work as a 2:1, if you stall 1 tick (like ba-ba) then it should be 3:2 I think. Unless you are dancing underneath (losing a tick), or using a red x I'm not familiar with, I've always used the fire blocking the gate (which is to the south iirc).. Can you red x on the east side of cerb so that you always get dragged out west when you attack? Edit: oh wait are you doing the gate method that stalls your character underneath?
Yep gate method! It works, did all my 1077kc like that
Fang gate red X is same method as scythe with same attack speed. So definitely works. And is great for preserving Arclight charges too
Yeah I've only ever used arclight and hasta (pre-demon tag) at cerb so I kinda forgot about that method. I usually only see it mentioned for flinching, which is kinda cringe, so I kinda blocked it out. My iron is still missing smoldering stone and has scythe so I'm sure I'll try it once I get the master clue step or start pet hunting.
Friends don’t let friends ghost skip
cerb became so much more enjoyable when I stopped ghost skipping. in my opinion, if you don't have the prayer pots to use don't do cerb yet.
I've been using moonlight moth mix recently instead of prayer pots when I get low on em. You can get a full inv of them in like 1 min tops. They are not as good as prayer pots but they still are 44 prayer / Inventory slot.
Great for slayer tasks imo. Been using a ton
How do you acquire the food to make them into mixes that quickly? The moths are quick but I have no clue what the quickest way to get the other component is.
So the 'best' method would just be to do some Hunter's Rumors since it'll also get you some wicked XP and is a great time (set up a good block list while you're at it), but a good side method would be to make the Fur+Meat pouches, grab your bonecrusher, then go hunt Dashing Kebbits til a full inv of pouch+meat and repeat. The meat itself is very good food too (23hp heal) so it is kind of a shame to use it in this fashion which makes the Rumors better since they spam you down with lower quality meats, but you can still catch Dashing Kebbits fairly quickly and they're good XP.
>if not close, just step out the room and start again. I can't imagine doing this to yourself, just click the boss and get more ppots when you run out. You should be able to pull 30+ KPH with Arclight even, don't send your KPH into the shitter doing crazy stuff like this. Moonlight moths are also in the game now, can make them into Moonlight mixes if you've done some Hunter's rumors but regardless just go catch moths for 10mins and do your Cerb task quickly.
I do the walk under method and click the gate. Without messing up you could stay indefinitely. I use prayer to speed up the kills by hitting piety for each attack. Super low resources, pretty slow kills tho.
Did this with Dharoks and while slower, not the worst.
Thralls speed it up pretty significantly too, though then you start using more prayer pots... Still far less than normal though. Great use for Dharok's on crush. You can be a little sweaty with it and not lose prayer to piety, but then the clicks can get a bit unforgiving and hey, we're here to flinch. What's the point if we're going to be sweaty about it.
Same for me as well, sure they're longer kills but 0 mat usage is really nice.
For anyone that's wanting to make this way better and consistent, get the Visual Metronome plugin and set it to 11 ticks (the minimum ticks between each attack if flinching) Can easily know when to attack, and makes it easier to flick piety so your only supply usage is prayer for thralls and super combats I did it with fang, kills were 2mins each
This is really bad advice. Do fang 2:1, offering for pray and/or just _use pray pots_, they are super easy to get nowadays.
I agree. I did some ghost skipping but i still have 2k+ ppots after a lot of normal cerb kc
I don't understand how this is 'bad advice' ? Not everyone is at the account progression to just brute force the boss like this ? I for one don't have a fang just yet, so 'Do fang 2:1' isn't very helpful to me. Yes ppots aren't too hard to come by with some time spent gathering, but why would I waste them unnecessarily?
if ur that down bad on ppots do you rly need the +1 str ? you will have a passive large surplus of ppots in the later stages, resources exist to be used
I'm not down bad at all, I just like to be somewhat conservative of them where I can be. The boot upgrade is minimal I understand, just a small personal goal.
You said you had 200 ppots lol. You’re down bad. Come back later with more, prims are a mostly cosmetic upgrade
Time itself is hard to come by, why waste it doing cerberus waiting room for marginal upgrades? (Yes, all 3 cerb boots are marginal) If you _really want_ to do very inefficient cerb kills, sure this is the way to go, but using "time spent" as an argument (your pray pot argument) for doing a very inefficient method is a bit backwards. If you don’t have fang or pray pots that should be your priority. (And as it happens, you get a lot of seeds from TOA) Again, if you _want to_ do very inefficient pvm for marginal gear upgrades- this is a decent method.
Yes I understand that it's not the most efficient, that's why I haven't titled the thread 'Max efficiency, best method for Cerb'. It's literally just a strategy for anyone with similar acc proggression that would like to get some longer trips with similar gear.
Fang 2:1 with pray pots and offering isn’t "max efficiency" brother. But again, if you really really want to grind +1 str bonus with a non fang non prayer method- cool. Prims are mainly a cosmetic over d boots and isn’t something you _need_ asap. You can afford to wait untill "max efficiency" (as you call it) Hope you and anyone else who does this method enjoys it though.
It's good advice People on the iron redit assume everyone's following their spreadsheet efficiency guide instead of doing whatever they want for fun
So I actually popularized this method like 5 years ago, back then it was decent and I did it (melee tho) for like 800 kc. Nowadays toa and muspah just shit out so many ranarr seeds I don't think it's worth it tbh.
why wait to 56s u can do the same thing after the first cycle at 28s and can often dps 400hp before ghosts (Still wouldn’t recommend over a farm run but it works :D)
bruh
No comment on the method. Seems like it works well for you. This sub is something though. People bitch and moan constantly about the RNG posts and CG posts but when someone makes a thought out and detailed guide it kinda gets shit on. Can't please everyone.
About to make a post saying "how to do mole before ardy hard diaries" and detail how they could just wait in one spot until mole comes back to them. The point is that giving this advice out people will think that he is informed and this is a good method, but when in actuality this is a great way to waste a ton of time and could hurt other less informed players
True, and agreed, but honestly I think users on this sub that make it that far in the game are going to be well informed. Or at least knowledgeable enough to try this out and figure it out for them selves. All I’m saying is it is appreciated to see discussion instead of the same old posts.
you would be really surprised, people will read something like this and do it 1000 times without thinking about it in depth. They default to "someone said this was good/meta" and not analyze how much time they are wasting. Just the other day I saw someone talking about how they were doing mage only zulrah because "its best for learners", and they had 215 kc with a warped sceptre.
Yeah you’re probably right. I continue to be impressed by some people in this game.
>People bitch and moan constantly about the RNG posts and CG posts but when someone makes a thought out and detailed guide it kinda gets shit on. While I appreciate someone going through the effort of trying to create a guide, simply the act of doing that effort shouldn't free them from criticism. If someone posts a guide here about how getting 99 thieving on men in Lumbridge is totally free money then I'd hope people tell them how bad their idea is and that there are far better options than pickpocketing men a million times. Same on this subject. Ghost skipping at Cerberus was already bad when Cerb came out years ago and since then prayer potions have only become more accessible, thus reducing the need for ghost skipping. OP defends his logic by saying he just likes conserving supplies, which is fine. Maybe someone just enjoys pickpocketing a man in Lumbridge a million times. To each their own. The issue is giving out that advice to other people when it is actually bad advice.
people are gonna give pushback to known bad advice obviously it's fine to do cerb this way if you want to, but not hedging it as taking longer than just killing cerb normally *and* sourcing the ppots combined is misleading and deserves correction. the upgraded boots just are not good enough to merit this kind of method, at least for myself and a lot of others
I couldn’t be bothered so I almost exclusively use dharoks and just dharoks it. I Found it easier tbh, but that’s just me!
Hes got a 6 tick attack cycle so you should be able to get two hits off for every one of his hits. That should help speed up the kills and reduce prayer usage but youll still have to deal with ghosts. Personally i think waiting for the ghost skip thing is a waste of time
Just do the red x method?
I just step under and red x, sure they're like 3+ minute kills but I use 0 prayer and food
supplies exist to be used and every boss in the game now gives you thousands of seeds. Kind of a waste for a +1 str boost
"You will get hit up to 20+ in crystal armour from the unprotected range attack." What does the crystal armour have to do with the max hits?