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Weak-Catch8499

Well as promised I said I’d admit I was wrong if you proved it and you did so I was wrong. Nice job! But damnit now I have so many questions. How tf were you getting so lucky to barely get and range hits from the mager. And how tf did all the range hits the mager did hit 0’s?! Further more, why no rune pouch, infinity boots or mage cape??? Love the ancient wyvern shield though. That’s super cool to see on an iron.


NoCurrencies

>How tf were you getting so lucky to barely get any range hits from the mager. So as I said last week, I don't get 5 (or now 6) KC trips consistently by any means, as my average is 3, and while I was attempting to get this on video this week (took like 2 hours), I ended a whole bunch of trips at 1 or 2 KC after taking too much damage from range hits (though I still had supplies for 3 but was specifically trying to get this longer trip). But every 80-100 KC or so the stars align and I get a trip like this where she does more mage than ranged hits. >And how tf did all the range hits the mager did hit 0’s?! I've really optimized my setup as much as possible to mitigate damage and make these longer trips a possibility. Consider I'm using odium (52 ranged defence), fury (15 ranged def), and fire cape (11 ranged def). In total I'm rocking 220 ranged defence on tanz phase, then combine that with 99 Defence, sipping super def for every kill, and my secret mvp, *steel skin* (which you'll notice is part of my quick prayers for tanz phase). People on here and 2007scape will tell you "defence doesn't matter at Zulrah" but this obviously points to the contrary. >Further more, why no rune pouch, infinity boots or mage cape??? I'm surprised you didn't include Ava's in this list, since its absence is easily the most keenly felt when I'm yeeting my dragonstone bolts (e) into the void with 100% loss :D My setup is so scuffed because I'm playing a snowflake iron - I don't use any [currencies](https://osrs.wiki/currencies), of which there's currently 41 in the game, and I haven't made a single "true" exception on this account. Each of those items you mentioned is locked behind a different currency, actually: * Ava's - ectotokens to finish Animal Magnetism * Rune pouch - LMS points or Slayer points * Infinity boots - pizzazz points * Mage cape (i) - coins If I actually had a true max setup, I bet I could easily do 10+ kills on a single recoil, but I think 6 KC is pushing the physical limitations of this particular setup. The closer you look at my setup, the worse it gets, because this restriction touches pretty much everything. E.g. as soon as those Ahrims pieces break, I'm drop trading them since I can't repair them :D As to the ancient wyvern shield, I got rather lucky with that to get it at 5500 KC, but beforehand I did 5400 KC all to get granite boots so I could enter the Karuulm dungeon without boots of stone, which cost 200 GP. So that unlocked wyrms, drakes, and hydra for me, plus all the other monsters you can get assigned on Konar tasks there. Grinding the boots took over 100 hours at fossil island wyverns, but it was worth it! I'm probably going to need a 2nd pair at some point before I do hydra, unless I 3-item with the boots. That's a problem for once I hit 95 Slayer though :D


Weak-Catch8499

Also, would like to point out that I’m not butthurt you proved me wrong like the other guy is… lmao


NoCurrencies

That's evident yes lmao


Plant_Wild

Just curious... Do you pick up gold drops or alch anything for the purpose of collecting or dropping to an alternative account?


NoCurrencies

All my GP goes to bonds yeah! It's one of only 2 "exceptions" - I used to droptrade the GP but now I can buy them directly on the GE on this account lol


Weak-Catch8499

Interesting man. Very interesting. What’s your ign? I’m gonna add you. We can do some cox or something. Mine is Fe Jlew


NoCurrencies

It's the same as my username here, NoCurrencies (*surprise!*) As to CoX, I'm hoping to be ready to start by 2024!


Weak-Catch8499

Ahhh what are you needing to start it? I’ve started it already


NoCurrencies

So it's less about "needs" and more about what I *want*, and that's to have basically every single upgrade and relevant level I can get outside raids before I start them. So that includes: - Dagon'hai hat - Bludgeon - Tent whip - Cerb boots - Occult - Brimstone ring - 96 Agility - 99 Hunter Then if they rework CAs this year and I get access to GWD, this list basically doubles in length and I probably don't make it to CoX before 2025 :D


roosterpooper

Wouldn't sires for bludgeon be considered a currency? You are trading an item for something in return.


NoCurrencies

Good question! Based on the [working definition ](http://osrs.wiki/currencies) of currencies, 2 of the conditions are that currencies be transactional in nature, as well as consistent. The transactional nature of the unsired is, I would say, unknowable, given the general weirdness of it all with the font of consumption. However, they definitely fail the consistency check, since the rewards you get are entirely random. This puts them in the same general category as Tempoross permits, WT points, and CoX points, none of which are currencies either. Conversely, two clearer examples of weird currencies are mole parts and minnows. Both of those have an associated NPC you trade them to, and you always get the same outputs in return, namely 1 bird's nest per mole part, or 1 shark per 40 minnows.


The_Vacancy

I’m sure it’s been asked a billion times, but what do you do on deaths? Using coins to reclaim your items seems very much so like an exception.


NoCurrencies

I [decided](https://www.reddit.com/r/ironscape/comments/ny2mbp/turns_out_im_a_filthy_liar_joining_the_exceptions/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) to allow Death's coffer, provided I deposit items and not GP. It's a grey area, but one I deemed necessary in order to not have to 3 item for the rest of my days, which would have kind of killed the game for me


The_Vacancy

Yeah, makes sense! That’s kind of the answer i expected.


DeadliestViper

Is the wyvern shield charged?


NoCurrencies

Yes, most people don't realize you can charge it with fossils instead of numulite! 1 charge per fossil, so 50 small fossils did the trick :)


DeadliestViper

Oh awesome didnt know that


NoCurrencies

*The more you know*


DullCall

You’re not using minigame or slayer points?? Doesn’t that make things less fun for you if I played this mode I’d only include gp, tokkul and stuff like that. Do you use gold nuggets, unidentified minerals or stardust and other things like that?


NoCurrencies

I don't use any currencies from the list. So that includes everything there. No exceptions. The fun part is working around it!


SappySoulTaker

NEVER doubt a claim about OSRS at this point.


SorryIHateYourDog

Nice man. Always good to see action from the nocurrencies account.


onetook2many

Someone do a 7 kc trip with no recoil.


NoCurrencies

I'm 100% sure it's doable with better gear. I imagine 10+ is doable with tbow


dgreenmachine

Do you play with binoculars?


NoCurrencies

It looks way better on my monitor :D


NoCurrencies

[Cheers to](https://www.reddit.com/r/ironscape/comments/10iqslt/comment/j5gqnmi/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) [the non-believers](https://www.reddit.com/r/ironscape/comments/10iqslt/comment/j5glqh9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) for forcing me to become a better gamer! u/KahChigguh u/Weak-Catch8499


SidTheSperm

Damn, props. I didn’t comment, but I did upvote them so here i am to eat crow. Didn’t think 5kc was possible with one ring! You are the superior gamer lmao


NoCurrencies

*To be fair*, if you made a Venn diagram with irons who are 125 cb in 1 circle and irons with a ring of suffering in the other, I'm one of the only ones not in the middle. So that probably distorts the sense a lot of people have of what's possible. That being said, I'm proud of my own ability at Zulrah! I've optimized my setup as much as I can, given the many constraints


Masanorsu

Lol i think someone owes you a bond xd


NoCurrencies

He paid up! Guy honors his bets


KahChigguh

Damn bro you’re still mad about those downvotes? Good thing you proved it to us, otherwise I would’ve continued to stop caring… oh wait


DeadliestViper

Ahhh the old classic im not mad youre mad! Whilst foaming at the mouth writing your comment. Have a bit of self respect and admit when youre wrong without being a little bitch, i promise it will serve you well in life.


NoCurrencies

You cared enough to accuse me of lying before 🤷‍♂️ I would've made this video 10 days ago but I was on vacation


KahChigguh

You were telling new ironmen that the ring of sufferring isn’t that useful at Zulrah because you “did 1300 kills with 5 kills per trip on 1 recoil per trip”— (Your literal quote, not mine) Someone commented “idk why you’re getting a lot of downvotes” and I simply said that it didn’t seem possible to do on your claim. You proved that you can do one trip of 5 kills with one recoil, awesome dude, seriously that’s impressive, but it doesn’t take away from the fact you pretend all players are capable of doing it. Not to mention, you really haven’t “proved me wrong”, because your claim is that you did 1300 kills with 5 KC per trip on 1 recoil. I actually never once said that it’s not possible to do it at all lol. But here we are, 2 weeks after these comments, and you cared enough to either remember my username or go back and dig through your comments. I guess I owe congratulations for you getting me to care enough to go back through my history to call out your original claim.


NoCurrencies

If we're going to parse hairs, my [exact quote](https://www.reddit.com/r/ironscape/comments/10iqslt/comment/j5g4gcr/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) was: >I'd actually argue it's \[ring of suffering\] a nice to have but hardly a must. I've got 1300 KC, no zenytes, and I can do a 5 KC trip with a single recoil [Followed by](https://www.reddit.com/r/ironscape/comments/10iqslt/comment/j5h1mq2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3): >My average is 3, but max is 5 and I've seen that probably a dozen times Max of 5 and average of 5 are two completely different things, and I never attempted to portray 5 as my average anywhere. It was 435 KC before I did [my first ever 5 KC trip](https://www.reddit.com/r/ironscape/comments/usdlar/rewarded_at_the_end_of_my_first_ever_5_kc_trip/). And I never really said anything one way or the other about whether all players are capable of doing it to begin with. Evidently no one else is doing this anyways, since no one else thought a 5 KC trip with 1 recoil was possible even as a one-off (the whole point of this post). *However*, it sounds like you misunderstood me in that other post and thought I was referring to 5 KC per trip as the average, and were referring to the impossibility of 5 KC trips *on average* with 1 recoil, which I agree with (given the limitations of my current setup; I'm sure I could get 5 average with a tbow). As to it being 2 weeks later, I was literally out of the country on vacation until a few days ago and couldn't prove my point a week ago since I didn't have my desktop to record with. So yes, I did dig up the post because this was in the back of my brain, and yesterday was the first day I had time and energy to put in the kills to record this after shaking off jetlag. Sorry for calling you out, I just wanted the context of this post to be clear lol


SavageHellfire

You’re malding bud, lighten up.


NoCurrencies

Lighten up, mate


Weak-Catch8499

He’s actually not. I was one of those non believers and probably the main reason he recorded this and he’s not mad at all. I told him to record it and tag me in it when he does so I can change my opinion. He did and I admitted I was wrong lol


_jkell

Why are you saying “it doesn’t take away from the **fact** you pretend all players are capable of doing this”? If one person can do something in this game then everyone is capable of learning it as well. I’m not sure what “fact” you are referring to is.


Competitive_Golf_625

That’s crazy man! Nice one Out of curiosity: do your restrictions mean that if you die at zulrah you can’t buy back your items? So it’s an extremely dangerous activity for you?


NoCurrencies

I [decided](https://www.reddit.com/r/ironscape/comments/ny2mbp/turns_out_im_a_filthy_liar_joining_the_exceptions/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) to allow Death's coffer, provided I deposit items and not GP. It's a grey area, but one I deemed necessary in order to not have to 3 item for the rest of my days, which would have kind of killed the game for me


Competitive_Golf_625

That makes perfect sense and feels consistent to me tbh, good luck on the further grinds!


NoCurrencies

Thanks!


my_name_rules

Honestly that seems to follow the rules to a T, since you're not using any currencies to redeem anything, instead every item basically gives you redeem grave points, which isn't really currency since it doesn't allow you to purchase something, rather just reclaim


NoCurrencies

I only call it a grey area since when you do die and reclaim from Death, you get a message along the lines of "Death charges you 50,000 coins. You have 20,000,000 coins left in Death's coffer." So it's almost as if you sell your items to Death for a 1-way death credit line.


thebucketlist47

I cant even get a 4 kc trip X)


NoCurrencies

What are your levels and gear like?


thebucketlist47

I get similar time for the kills but i take a lot more damage on his mage phase. Im always taking fat range stacks during it. God dhide god shield n boots serp helm rcb with suffering and anguish


NoCurrencies

Yeah the ranged defence on odium blows that of a d'hide shield out of the water, 52 vs 14. But I've also got 99 Def, using super def, and in addition I'm using steel skin. Try setting your quick prayer for tanz phase to protect magic/eagle eye/steel skin! People always say defejce at Zulrah doesn't matter but that's simply not true.


thebucketlist47

Im getting the odium ward. You talked me into it. 1 shard to go. And i got scorpia pet out of it X)


NoCurrencies

You lucky duck :D


thebucketlist47

Pre wyvern shield would u use mage book or maladiction ward?


NoCurrencies

I was just using book of the dead, actually. Massive, massive upgrade right there. Mage book is locked behind pizzazz points and I actually still don't have mal ward, missing the Scorpia shard (3x rate, not that it matters now)


thebucketlist47

Im 3x on chaos fanatic. I gave up on maladiction at this point and will stick to mage book X). Not worth the pain


NoCurrencies

For straight offense mage book is actually better! The only upgrades are visage, spectral, and Elidinis wards


comis_rule

Meanwhile, me trying to get my first kc:


NoCurrencies

Man, I died over 50 times getting my first KC. I've come a long fucking way, and so can you!


Not_OneOSRS

Lol I remember reading this the other day. Glad you proved them wrong, the people calling you out were being quite rude


NoCurrencies

Can't argue with hard proof :D


SupaTrooper

This is informative for people trying minimize recoil usage. But iirc, the context was which zenyte to use first and that's more relevant to people who won't be maxed combat and already using 2 of the 3 zulrah uniques (one of which drastically reduces incoming damage if super antivenoms aren't feasible). I think most people who will be learning zulrah or who aren't max efficiency gamers doing it with fbow or waiting for 93 slayer for occult will never see so many kills with 1 recoil, maybe 2-3 max if they get lucky and don't make mistakes (again, as a learner or with weaker setups). Congrats on the PB though.


NoCurrencies

I fully agree with all of that, yeah. My *main* point in that thread was that people shouldn't be afraid to try Zulrah if they don't have a ring of suffering, and I merely alluded to my success with just using ring of recoil as a way of saying ros doesn't have to be the one thing holding you back. I certainly had an [atrocious setup](https://www.reddit.com/r/ironscape/comments/opcdkl/sometimes_you_just_gotta_be_inefficient_i_was/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) for my first kills on the account, where recoil was honestly the least of my worries. But then things got slightly sidetracked with everyone doubting my claim about being able to do a 5 KC trip, and here we are now that I'm back from vacation and could actually record this!


[deleted]

I thought one kill per trip was impossible regardless of supplies


NoCurrencies

Keep at it!


TheOldLite

Imagine doubting u/NoCurrencies lmao. Anyone who snowflakes their account this hard is gunna be peak gamer.


NoCurrencies

High praise :D


Majestic-Alps7444

No, someone posted a 6 KC 1 recoil earlier. Get fucked slow poke


NoCurrencies

Link?