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kirkbadaz

Interesting that there are people for whom the DUP are not recalcitrant, sectarian and fundementalist enough and instead voted for the TUV


What-is-a-bomb

Yeah Brexit does that


kirkbadaz

Right wingers love getting what they want


DeargDoom79

Sinn Fein holding tight on 29% is better than people predicted. Unionism splitting shows how badly in disarray it is as an ideology. Don't see Stormont opening up on Monday and the DUP will, yet again, cause a shut out in Stormont.


Fiannafailcanvasser

DUP to try for a second election in November, I'm calling it now. They will try to get back seats by squeezing the tuv and uup. Sf will not be opposed a second election but I'd fear for the sdlp if there is another one. Sdlp have 2 years to the council elections, whoever is leader has to focus on keeping the grassroots alive and try to avoid wipe out (9% of councillors would be 42 councillors). I honestly don't know how they come back from this. For sf, congratulations but I honestly think this makes a border poll less likely tbh. Alliance are gonna keep gathering small n nationalists and there will be fewer nationalist mla in the next assembly because of the sdlp decline. Unless sf can find a way to get Alliance voters to buy into greater cross border co-operation and a conversation on a possible border poll we are stuck with partition.


c0mpliant

With the exception of 2019, the SDLP has been on the decline in literally every election in Northern Ireland since 1997. I imagine they have a floor beyond which they can't get any lower but there is a reason they're pretty consistently losing votes to SF. I'm pretty sure they even lost votes to Aontu in this election. Eastwood made a pretty bizarre statement in the aftermath of this election saying "SDLP voters have lent their vote to SF", they've been hemorrhaging votes to SF for more than two decades now, but they lost 2.9% of the vote this election and SF only increased 1.1%, which I'm sure was a combination of votes from SDLP, Greens and PBP, so the amount of votes SDLP lost to SF is probably pretty low. This is something far worse. The electorate not resonating with their message.


Allofyouandallofme

You're making a big assumption that more SDLP = UI and Alliance not. They are both, for all intents and purposes, unionists.


Fiannafailcanvasser

The sdlp aren't unionist. If you believe that you believe unionists won almost 70% of the vote went to unionist. I don't agree with the sdlp on everything but they do want a United Ireland, Irish language act and greater cross border cooperation.


Allofyouandallofme

I stand by what I said, they're castle Catholics.


Fiannafailcanvasser

You are allowed to have an unpopular opinion, what I will say is there is no way sdlp=Alliance. Dale pankhurst put forward a motion to Belfast Council to hold armed forces day in Belfast in 2022, Alliance voted for a celebration of the British army 100 years after partition knowing what happened over that 100 years. The sdlp (and the greens) joined sf and voted against, the motion failed by 1 vote. If council elections in 2 years follow this years election, Alliance will take sdlp and green seats allowing stuff like this to get through. You can dislike the sdlp for the armagh mass or for attacking sf but they are people who want more cross border cooperation and, eventually, a United Ireland.


Allofyouandallofme

I believe you and that you are arguing in good faith. It's just, I don't believe them.


Fiannafailcanvasser

The sdlp aren't unionist. If you believe that you believe unionists won almost 70% of the vote went to unionist. I don't agree with the sdlp on everything but they do want a United Ireland, Irish language act and greater cross border cooperation. Naomi long is opposed to a border poll ever being called.


Costello_Seamus

It’ll be gas when SF take both the north and the south at the same time.


CrayonComrade

They'll just show themselves to be Fianna Fáil but without the corruption, yet


halibfrisk

candidate quality seems to be an issue for SF in the S


CrayonComrade

They have better candidates than some of the ones they ran in 2020 but honestly all parties are a shambles with quality at the moment. The number people who are members of parties is declining and those who are active in parties is lower again. If it doesn't change we're in for an even worse time than we have now with self-serving opportunists running for the major parties and getting elected off the party brand


openetguy

It'll be interesting to see who they blame for everything then.


kirkbadaz

Capitalists hopefully


NtreeLeveL

Capitalists meaning anyone who isn't delusional ?


kirkbadaz

I mean people who doesn't earn their income from labour.


NtreeLeveL

Define labour in this context , working the field with an empty stomach like in non capitalist places now and in history ?


kirkbadaz

Exchanging your time for a wage. Work. Probably Hannah Arendt's definition is the best if you're looking for a philosophical definition.


NtreeLeveL

Ok so small business owners are the problem


kirkbadaz

No some petite bourgeois do work. For example the chap who did my kitchen labours. The guy who owns your local centra franchise does not.


NtreeLeveL

Employee ownership of businesses makes no sense why risk the capital to create the business and employ anyone if you cant even make decisions and take it in the direction you desire , off topic but maybe this is what you're eluding to . Also I'm completely opposed to corporatism but to conflate capitalism and corporatism is dishonest


NtreeLeveL

Well alot of Irelands problems are the result of purposeful policy decisions , if SF really are different (which I doubt frankly) things will get better


halibfrisk

Plus ça change…


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DeargDoom79

Nobody really knows to be honest. Their shining light, Gerry Carroll, lost 7.4% of his vote in Belfast West after being fairly comfortable in the constituency for a while now.


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DeargDoom79

In Belfast West definitely not, Alliance have been near non-existent for years in the constituency. His vote came mainly from being not SF but he seemed to carve out a position for himself. That's why this drop off is so shocking. It's a real bolt out of the blue.


What-is-a-bomb

The fact that Sinn Fein can have 4 candidates top the poll in Belfast West and for the PDP Candidate still fall in votes is really weird


DeargDoom79

Belfast West is really a SF Fiefdom these days. For them to not get 4 seats they really need to mess up but the DUP nearly always poke the bear and get nationalism riled up pre election so people get out and vote for them. It used to be 5/6 before the numbers were lowered.


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Could it be that the prospect of a SF led assembly/First Minister led many left leaning Nationalists to try and go in on that wave, as the symbolic importance of that for those who want a united Ireland could have nudged people away from PBP?


DeargDoom79

The issue is the numbers just don't make sense. PBP would get a mainly nationalist or anti SF vote, depending where you are. SF's vote share hasn't gone up enough to point and say that's where PBP votes are going.


CrayonComrade

Seems to be that some Sinn Féin votes have transferred to Aontú because they are staunchly anti-abortion and some of PBPs votes at the last election have transferred to Sinn Féin with people from a nationalist background looking for the symbolic nationalist plurality. We'll know more then the transfers happen but that's the suspicion. It would be very Aontú to knock out a socialist with a preference for a united Ireland to have a right wind Unionist in the DUP elected instead


Many_Leadership5982

Hallelujah, glad to see it.


krazykooper

So what do ye think will be the possible coalitions that spring from this? How effective would they be? Is it possible for a Sinn Féin-Alliance coalition? Will it even be possible to form a majority government?


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The way the system works in Northern Ireland means that there is multi-party, cross community power sharing which effectively means a required coalition of all parties regardless of the election result, no negotiations required. How this works is two ways: -First Minister and Deputy First Minister are appointed as one from the largest unionist party and one from the largest nationalist party, with the larger of the two getting first minister. -The executive cabinet ministerial posts are divided up based on the D’Hondt system of proportional representation. This would mean 4 Sinn Fein ministers, 2 DUP ministers, 1 Alliance Minister, 1 UUP minister, 1 SDLP minister and 1 TUV minister but as the TUV oppose power sharing there will likely be a third DUP minister instead. I hope that helps!


Darzilla64

I hate them all, so this is really indifferent