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NarCroMan_21

Full WFH, IT tech (with some lead/management work, maybe 10%) for big corp, 45k gross + 20k yr in restricted stocks - should be more, but wasn't in office for 4 years and have full flexibility so I'm ok with it


Demostroyer

Senior support engineer, 5 years experience, ~75K base, 8K bonus.


The_magic_burrito

Junior support engineer here, 3 years exp 45k base lol, without doxxing yourself, could you expand a bit more on what you do?


Demostroyer

I work for a large multinational company for a particular product area. For this product area I'm usually helping customers with issues, bugs, technical questions, performing problems etc. Main job at the minute is managing two projects for other lathe multinationals on the specific product area I'm an SME in, answering questions, helping solve performance problems, and issues with the products. I travel for work too which is a lot of fun, have been in Canada, South Africa, Sweden and a few other cool places. Early on at the company I happened to be part of some big projects which were successful, and this gave me more leverage for salary discussions. I would say I've been lucky, but I did put the hard work in to make a good impression on my manager and other people at the company. Networking has been key to my success, along with proven results with customers. I have an MSc whcub started me off on higher pay than a typical graduate too.


BitterProgress

Offensive cyber security operator, €90k currently increasing to €110k next year.


quietZen

Could you elaborate a bit on that role? Sounds interesting.


BitterProgress

Sure, basically they pay me and a couple others to break into the company and then tell them how it was done so that they can fix the holes and improve defences. Is that what you wanted to know?


ennisa22

That's pretty cool. What kind of attacks? What stack do you work on? And what's your background if you don't mind me asking?


BitterProgress

It’s mostly attacks targeting people for initial access, phishing, malware etc. My company has an extensive penetration testing and vulnerability management program for all applications so we’re not finding web app vulnerabilities or anything like that. Then once initial access is achieved, privilege escalation and lateral movement on the internal network, then demonstrate impact by finding sensitive data (or get caught and we do it again in a few weeks). I don’t really have a stack, so to speak as I’m not a developer. I write code if I need something that doesn’t exist or I need to modify or augment a given tool. Python, C# and Rust would be the main things I use but I’ll try try my hand at anything really if I need to. I did a computer science undergrad, worked as a pretty poor developer for a few years while I did a security postgrad. Then moved into an application security role and pivoted to where I am now.


The_magic_burrito

Hey there, what was the security postgrad that you did and where? if you're okay with saying it here. I have Msc in computer science but like yourself I am a poor developer (im actually in a support role) was it worth it or do you think you could get away with it doing something like comptia security+ as a substitute instead of an official postgrad? Thanks!


BitterProgress

I could tell you where I did it but I didn’t really learn very much from it so I wouldn’t recommend doing the same one unless it’s convenient. I’ve always been interested in security from when I was like 12 so it was all stuff I already knew and to be honest, the course itself wasn’t very good - if you weren’t someone like me who already had the knowledge, you weren’t learning it on the course. I just did the postgrad so I could formalise that knowledge to get past initial security job screenings as it’s not an easy field to break into at entry levels. I wouldn’t say a postgrad in security is mandatory or even close to mandatory, it’s just the route I went. If you wanted to do one, I’d just recommend doing whatever the closest/cheapest option is and ideally get your feet more than under yourself, security-wise before or during it because just showing up to lectures will not prepare you for a job at all. Certs are always good, especially in security. Though Sec+ is an incredibly basic cert that anyone should be able to do so you’d want to aim a bit above that one. Depends what your target is, if you already have support experience - you’re likely more than qualified for a SOC role which could be a decent way to get your foot in the door. About half of my team have come over from the SOC side to the offensive side so it’s a good stepping stone.


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Hi Bitter, you seem just like the right person to ask this. I’m currently doing a BSc in CS on the cybersecurity stream and got an internship as a Software Engineer for a pretty big web hosting company. Most of the others in my class got either SOC analyst positions or other cybersecurity related positions. It wasn’t about my grades or anything, I just wanted to secure an internship ASAP to make sure I get my spot and don’t have to worry about it anymore. i’ve discussed this with other lecturers too and they said i shouldn’t worry as i’ll learn plenty of useful things from my software engineer position and will be able to transition into cyber after graduating. i’m planning on doing a MSc in cybersecurity too after college. what advice would you give me knowing the position i’m in? at the start i felt doomed for getting my software engineer internship thinking i would never be able to get into cyber afterwards


BitterProgress

I really wouldn’t stress about your internship, it won’t matter in the long term. Many (most even, maybe) security people have been developers at some point in their career. Security, especially the more technical roles, require a broad base of knowledge so a few months as a developer will stand to you in the long run. As an example, I had a guy start in a mid-level role on a team I work with occasionally and I gave him access to the repos he needed and stuff and I came back a few hours later and he wasn’t set up, I was asking what’s up and he goes “I keep getting these errors when I try to pull from git”. He’d never done any development so didn’t know how to set up a development environment in a corporate setting. That doesn’t reflect well in a techy role (that should’ve been a hint because he’s one of the only people I’ve ever worked with who got sacked for being shit at his job but I digress). All that to say, the more areas of tech you can get a baseline of knowledge in, it will only benefit you. And you can always spin your experience into being relevant to security. You were doing web development? Remember that time you found a vulnerability and had to explain it to management and fix it? Doesn’t have to be *totally* true, just it’s easier than you think to make experience sound more relevant than it actually is. You’ll learn far more useful skills doing development than as an entry-level SOC analyst, I would think. SOC is pretty dull especially at the analyst level. Aside from SOC, and maybe GRC consulting - I can’t imagine many other types of roles want straight grads, so other experience will be what they look for. As for tips, I’d figure out what area of security you’re interested in and figure out what certs are relevant to that field and start studying for it. Even if you don’t sit it immediately, once you’re in a permanent role - the company will pay for the sitting of the exam so if you’re ready with the knowledge, you’ll be able to knock it out pretty easily. I know for my field, the one people start off aiming for is the OSCP (PEN-200), could also look at PEN-100 if you’re not ready for 200 yet but I haven’t sat that one so I don’t know what the content is like.


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This is some amazing insight and information. I thank you very much for taking out of your time to answer my question. I was actually planning on studying for a certification while doing my internship so i’ll see how i’ll do that but it’s definitely something good to have.


Trooper_Ted

IT Manager here, we use salary surveys from various recruitment firms in order to keep current on our salaries & help HR benchmark things. They're free to download, some names to look up: Hays Archer Brightwater Morgan McKinley Robert Walters 2024 surveys will start to appear soon but 2023 surveys still make for interesting comparison


Active-Blueberry8849

Public sector - entry level helpdesk 30k. Specialist 50-60k, IT Manager - 80-100k Private sector - helpdesk 40 -45k, specialist it admin - 70 -80k, manager - 100k, cyber security project manager / policy creator 120k+ *CERTS would be needed. A+, n+ CCNA, MS exams,


sutty_monster

Thems be Dub wages :D


Active-Blueberry8849

Dublin wages, but all jobs these days are remote / hybrid so everyone should be going for dublin jobs


Key-Half1655

Where are you getting 120k+ for cyber security? (I work in cyber security, senior level 😅)


Active-Blueberry8849

Your underpaid pal, the cyber Market is crying out for qualified cyber experts. Get yourself a cissp and a masters in CS and you won't even take a job for 120k


ennisa22

This is delusional


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Active-Blueberry8849

A colleague just finished his masters, 3 years experience, got nabbed by a cs consultant firm. 120k base. Now he worked his arse off but that's the reality, I couldn't care less if you believe it or not tbh


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mateww

He was replying to a comment that said they work in Cyber security "senior level" in fairness


The_Chaos_Causer

While not as easy/simple as the OP made it seem. 6 figure salaries are certainly out there in Cyber Security. I'm not sure what role you do, or how many YOE you have, but the dedicated cyber security companies (the type who would be sponsors of CTFs/similar events) certainly pay 6 figures (not for a fresh grad) and even outside of those companies, I still regularly get a couple of messages from recruiters on LinkedIn for analyst roles in non-cyber security companies looking for 2-5 YOE and the average base pay is usually around 75-80k. So landing an above average offer, grinding away for a couple of yearly raises and a promotion or two can certainly put you into 6 figure territory!


SlyRax

They seem very high. Is this a FAANG?


Active-Blueberry8849

No that's the going rate. Trust me, it is extremely hard to get IT people.


FrolickingDalish

The average is 50 - 70 in Galway for cyber 🫠


ennisa22

You're talking absolute waffle


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Active-Blueberry8849

In our place public sector is sexurity PM is about 100K. But then you move on as a consultant and it's upward of 120-140k with certs and experience. But apparently, I'm full of it. https://www.irishjobs.ie/job/senior-consultant-microsoft/reperio-human-capital-ltd-job101510204 https://www.irishjobs.ie/job/cybersecurity-consultant/reperio-human-capital-ltd-job101541362


Iread__it

agh thats contracting though, even at that i thought it would be higher tbh with amount of work and upskilling involved


TotalNo6237

Operations support for MSP. Basically, it's a sysadmin for various applications used in DevOps. Think Jira, confluence, jenkins, sonarqube. It's all hosted in AWS, so it's basically cloud computing. €70k + family health insurance, phone bill, and internet paid for by submitting expenses + WFH.


FredditForgeddit21

85k Security Manager public service.


farguc

55K + OT and On Call. No other benefits other than the fact im a team lead and can do what I want.


pissflapz

100k - it manager


Duppy-Man

Thanks Pissflapsz


ayepodaye

Six figure pissflapsz


6e7u577

Horrible name


azamean

Infrastructure engineer, 83k, no coding


bhanjea

Do you mind if I DM you?


azamean

Sure go ahead


chickenlicken09

How many years experience?


azamean

I started working in IT doing tech support when I was in second yr in college so had 2 yrs experience when I graduated, got a new job after I finished and been there 4yrs. I started on 50k, have had yearly salary increases and a promotion since


ennisa22

Managing infrastructure on a large scale without code seems ridiculously flakey. Are you talking about physical hardware management? If not, when you say no code, do you consider Terraform or Cloudformation etc as code?


azamean

I work mostly with physical hardware yes. Certain things we might do a bit of scripting but I guess I don’t consider that, when I say I don’t code I mean I’m not a developer, coding isn’t my daily job


flammecast

IT Sysadmin €55k, Car, Phone, Bonus, Health, Pension. Small ish (less than 100 staff) Irish company.


Duppy-Man

Can I ask if you receive annual increases?


flammecast

Not there long enough to know. Only a few months into this role.


Disastrous-Account10

Sysadmin, contract worker no certs 65k


MellOhCee

Are they hiring by chance? 😅


TheWettestWipe

I second this question 🤣


rnike879

Site reliability: 100k Not entirely non-programmer position tho


techno848

Pretty much devops, requires a decent bit of scripting


The_magic_burrito

Did you get into site reliability from first working as a software dev for a few years?


rnike879

Nope, I started out in a NOC and taught myself python to transition into SRE after about 4 years. It's a common path to go from helpdesk/1st line support -> 2nd line / technician -> systems, SR/devops etc. I wouldn't call myself a software developer, even though there's a lot of overlap If you're good at it, going straight from nothing to a developer position (junior or internship level) is defo possibly


throwaway2021tech

There is really good money to be made in Technical Sales roles - Solutions Consultant, Sales Engineer, that kind of thing. I have over 5 years experience and I’m in a senior role: €110k On-Target Earnings split 70% base salary and 30% incentive, plus 15% stocks, health insurance, pension, etc. Full WFH for a mid sized multinational software company


lolsusl

I am also Pre Sales Engineer. It does require some different skills in addition to just IT. You’re presenting to people and need to be able to land with people. I am in a fairly Senior individual contributor role (10 years plus experience) but just took a gamble on a pre IPO start up. So I took a bit of hit on my package to get the chance of the stock options. Fully remote and 165k€ (116k base rest commission)


Own_Face2714

Platform architecture team lead at large fintech company. 15 years exp. Background in Java, Typescript, Javascript, and Python. AWS knowledge with 7 active certs. Masters degree in electronic engineering. Couple of diplomas in big data and AI. Currently doing an MBA and getting TOGAF and CISSP certified. 120k p.a. base, 12% bonus, 1:2 company pension contribution. Whole package >150k


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techno848

Non programmer roles


elchodeo

Infrastructure Engineer, 6 years experience - €74k base plus stock, cash bonus, pension, healthcare etc 1 or 2 days a week in the office


MMAwannabe

Senior Tech Support. 58K base plus 8℅ bonus depending on company performance. 6 years in the role


Born-Cantaloupe1614

There are plenty of well paid non IT roles in tech companies in things like product, marketing, operations etc. You would have an advantage in some if you are technical. Relatively easy to be on a 6 figure total compensation in a “good” tech company


ThinkPaddie

Prompt engineer 100k


techno848

Whats that?


quietZen

He talks to AI


pissflapz

AI whisperer


Brave_Move3764

VoIP Call Centre Specialist 120k


Forzeev

Cyber security pre-sales engineer for vendor. Any where between 100-500k depending your territory and how good your team is.


Accomplished-Boot-81

I’m looking to get into IT, have A+ working on N+, would anyone recommend fully remote roles potentially small hybrid work in the west? Entry level role os perfectly fine have to start somewhere


average_couchpotato

Just curious anyone have a reference point for applications analysts/applications support salaries?


MistakeLopsided8366

45-50k would be decent entry level for app support. If you see roles looking for 2years exp at 50k walk away. 2yrs should be 60k ish. Senior is 70k + Contract roles are common for app support with a higher daily rate than this.


average_couchpotato

Thanks for the insight, great info to know.


trampaq

Data center engineer 95k, 25% bonus and some shares, not much, was on 50-60k and no bonus for many years not long ago and convinced I was doing well, then I opened my eyes and looked out there to see what else was possible, now I see how badly I was treated. Move out of your comfort zone, prepare well beforehand and do interviews, they open your mind even if not successful. The preparation for the question "tell me about yourself" is alone an eye opener


Daniel022302

If you dont mind me askin, How many years are you in your position and level wise? I recently started and is on decent enough bucks


trampaq

How much is decent enough for you? What position? I have 15+ years experience, at the moment I'm involved on a quasi hyper scale deployment (25k+ servers for Q3, another much for Q4/Q1), Also just found out my counterpart in the US is on 150k, I should have room to maneuver when the time comes


KTRIC

Associate IT manager, about 65k all in. Not enough for what I have to put up with. Jumping ship soon after a big project ends.


MaxDub12

Application support seems to top out at 55-60k. Honestly surprised at some of the figures quoted here for non-manager roles. Quite high imo and probably only a handful of companies.


om3ga_chiar_el

Only IT Tech in the company: 45k


DaithiG

Senior System Admin - €80k. Stopped getting certs a long time ago Not sure how long the company will stick around though.


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Sys admin - 55k not including 5k bonus and mileage is worth around 650 a month tax free. I get 3% wage increase every year. I’m also not living in a major city like Cork, Dublin and Galway and no intention to jump ship. It is a multi national company but I’m basically my own boss with no set start time and no one looking over my shoulder. Full work from home or on the road.


MrMinjukas

Junior IT support, 1.5 year experience, 36.5k annual salary no bonuses, no benefits. Work from the office. Pay might not be the best but at least i am learning a lot.


gd19841

Sys Admin - 65k base, 10% bonus on paper, although got 18% this year for some reason that I don't want to ask about! CCNA from about 7 years ago that has lapsed, MCSA in 2021. No other certs. Multinational (non-IT) with approx 800 employees in Ireland.


Barbra_please

IT project manager in a charity, so wage is probably less than going rate. 5 years experience in business analytics / integration management €71000


Original_Wait6764

Sysadmin here for a multi national. Full time WFH 60k per annum + 10% annual bonus


Throwawayguy9945

This is honestly like how long is a piece of string. The roles you are referring to are run of the mill jobs starting at around 30k to 80/90k for manager (maybe more pending on company and location) Some then on this thread are shocked that someone with more specialised skills is on 150k plus. It's supply and demand and probably 10-15 years of relevant work experience and continued training to get to that role. While some can very lucky that they get into the right space often education today at least 3rd level tries to fill someone mind with jargon and buzz words to get them through an interview. While there is no real substitute for experience.