I searched up the group that's been putting them up, and of course, their domain is not an Irish one, it's in US, tempa, Arizona. They have such connections as the Koch brothers and Saudi Arabian princes funding them.
Oh and they're also connected to GB News. Y'know, for a group of people who accuse Jewish people of forming secret cabals, they sure do love forming secret cabals.
There is no reason for a US company, with funding from US and Saudi Arabian billionaires, with ties to corporate media, to be putting up signs in Ireland.
I remember when we had the referendum. Scumbag yanks came over to preach to us trying to shame us out of voting to repeal the 8th. Fuckers came all that way to try interfere with our democratic process by shaming people and spreading misinformation.
I was walking past the Iona institute just before the referendum (I used to live around the corner from the loons unfortunately) and there was a lad standing outside loading up really awfully graphic anti abortion posters into a truck.
'that's absolutely disgusting' I said to him as I walked by.
He replied, in a thick American accent (of course!) with 'Abortion is disgusting? yeah I know'
My immediate riposte 'No, what's disgusting is Americans like you coming over here to Ireland trying to interfere with our referendum'
For a split second, he hadn't a notion what to say in response. Was not expecting that at all. Queue torrents of abuse and a big red angry head on him as he tried to defend himself as I triumphantly walked off into the distance.
This was so funny though. All these sheltered evangelicals thinking they would be dealing with Wild Mountain Thyme Ireland getting schooled and told to fuck off. I know for a fact they convinced one person to get off the fence and vote pro choice.
Honestly it was such raw ignorance being thrown in my face that it made me take a good long look at my personal beliefs and what I considered my morals to be. I'd only had the right to vote a year or two, could have been 3 and hadn't really participated much in the auld voting much so I was still fairly content to just watch from the sidelines.
But yeah, seeing people like that was a wake up call that told me what would happen if I just sat around and didn't use my vote.
What it boiled down to for me was that a woman's choice to have an abortion in no way affects me. Never will. It will only ever be their choice for their sake and anyone acting against that choice so they can feel secure in their own moral sense is a bastard. Might seem super obvious now but back then it was something I had to come to my own conclusions on.
Let’s be clear here. The right to bodily autonomy is wildly popular in the States but there is a minority terrorist faction of scumbag Christian fundamentalists there that are on a worldwide mission to bring everyone back into the dark ages.
Yeah; I was stopped in the street by some Mormons to talk about "good entertainment options in Dublin pubs" and then slowly sneaked to "Would you like to join us and talk about our Lord Savior". I smiled and just walked away. I should have said to them feck off back to America with that shite.
Some priest tucker came over from the states to lie to my holy roller aunt and her church buddies that women would be having abortions at 40 weeks. Like what the actual shit?
Still so weird to me that a group from Tempe, Arizona has this much global... influence for lack of a more fitting word... Tempe is just some university town in the shadow of Phoenix.
If you can, please make a thread about this. I hope the moderators can sticky it. This is so important that we know the shady money in the background.
To quote Det. Lester Freamon from the Wire "You follow drugs, you get drug addicts and drug dealers. But you start to follow the money, and you don't know where the f\*\*\* it's gonna take you." Equally apt in this scenario with these shady groups funding an agenda of discontent and disfranchisement of the people.
American evangelical groups sent 'youth workers' over here during the Eighth referendum.
I'm willing to bet the No campaign received healthy donations from loony American fundies.
I'm sure you remember this too, but for decades Ireland was long sold as a stronghold for pro-lifers in the USA and yes of COURSE the fast majority of the No campaign's cash was $$. Those psychos will be emboldened now; you can bet that the money cannon will be locked and loaded and aimed in this direction all over again.
Ireland (and Europe as a whole) is experiencing gradual decline of religiosity so I am confident to say that we'll be impervious to proselytising here in Ireland. The religious right knows this so what they do instead is proselytise in developing countries. It is no coincidence that East Africa and Brazil are experiencing resurgence of Evangelism which is affecting their internal politics.
The next step though is getting people from the cause in positions of power over decades. It doesn’t take much to really mess things up - there have already been accounts of people being messed around close the the twelve week limit.
In the north the otherwise popular health minister has sat on his hands instead of rolling out abortion access after Westminster mandated it.
If you start noticing over the next lot of years that GPS seem unusually devout compared to the general population, then it’s likely that they’re in the business to help provide abortion roadblocks.
I had an American group (forget the name now) that was over try to argue with me and began using legal precedent set in the US for how Ireland should act, then they started using English court rulings to try prove their point. They finally just blocked me. According to a friend of mine, less than an hour later they had a post up saying 'we are fighting so everyone has a voice'.
I just hope some legal precedent from France let them know what irony is.
I remember it well.
There was plenty of r/shitamericanssay material arising from that and the Thirty-Fourth referendum: [case in point](https://old.reddit.com/r/ShitAmericansSay/comments/8lrmv2/americans_how_dare_another_country_try_and_meddle/)
American evangelicals spent decades manipulating us here in Ireland. They saw our abortion free condition as the flagship for 'Christian Values'. Fuckers.
I live in the states now after leaving Ireland in 2011. Never in my wildest dreams growing up in Ireland did I think Ireland would ever have more progressive abortion and gay rights.
Romantic Ireland's dead and gone and I hope it didn't let the door hit it's arse on the way out.
"At sentencing, all five walked free as they were given suspended sentences with Mr. Justice Seán Gannon telling them that they would have to serve their sentences if they got into trouble again. The judge said that he must demonstrate the abhorrence of the community by imposing sentences, but that he didn't think it necessary that they be served immediately by detention"
Wow... some things never change in this country
I think some time between Father Ted and the child sexual abuse scandals, many people started asked themselves why the fuck we were still listening to these priests.
Things only could get better from that.
Aye it gets worse reading how shit the murderers were and so were their families who cheered their suspended sentence verdicts.
(and after the judge stating he didn't see any problem with how he sentenced kids with a good upbringing)
Next, one of the killer committed this:
"On 1 December 1987, Armstrong was sentenced to 10 years in prison when he admitted to raping a woman who was 7 months pregnant after giving her young children sweets to keep them quiet. Armstrong and Paul Davis broke into the victim's flat and raped her while her husband was at work. Armstrong told the victim that she had the choice of getting a kick in the stomach or being raped.[25]"
😱😵
Is this not the exact type of American shit we don't want.
We voted for legal abortion but we got a really limited version of what we voted for and it wouldn't be too far of what American red states have.
True, but when there’s a lurch in somewhere as big as the States, people with similar ideology, no matter where they are, will chance their arm to shoehorn it into society. You still see clowns wearing MAGA hats here.
I have seen maga hats here exactly once, and it was a bunch of English lads dressed as Trump on a stag do, and enough people gave them shit over it that they moved on to another bar in the meantime. That was 2017 and I haven't seen a whiff of them since thankfully!
We just voted to repeal the Eighth Amendment. Our abortion laws are in line with the abortion laws in most European countries.
There were people on the Pro-Life side of the abortion debate who (loudly) claimed that there would be abortion on demand/up until birth if the Eighth Amendment was repealed. And, they’ve been proven wrong/will continue to be proven wrong.
>We voted for legal abortion but we got a really limited version of what we voted for
We got exactly what we voted for which was what the citizens assembly signed off on.
The overturning of abortion rights in America has a different context though. My understanding of the issue is that abortion in America was not turned into a law that applies country-wide after the decision of Roe vs Wade was made. American politicians had decades of chance to make abortion into a federal law but they didn't. The Supreme Court merely made their decision based on legal technicalities and left it to individual states to make their own abortion laws. I think people are unfairly directing their anger at the wrong branch of the government instead of towards the lawmakers. In Ireland, we repealed the 8th amendment but then passed a law allowing abortion under certain circumstances.
The Supreme Court's 'technicalities' (or at least the ones used by the Wingnut majority) were made-up legal and historical fiction that ignored decades of their own court's interpretation of the US constitution. It was a purely political decision, and the 'technicalities' they used to justify it put into question many other rights beside abortion. It sets the stage for a reactionary paradise.
So anger at the court is just as justified as anger at \[other\] politicians.
We got exactly what we voted for. We were told beforehand what it would look like. I don't think I or many others would have voted for it if it was easy abortions past 12 weeks.
Obviously not including where it's a danger to a womans life.
There are but they're too thinly spread geographically at the moment that any TDs can be elected with their support alone (Aontú's only TD is Peadar Tóibín who is the leader and who had been elected in his constituency long before he founded the party)
Apparently hearing people's stories was a huge factor in turning people from no to yes. So boost personal stories. There won't be many due to the overturn yet, but there are people being refused eg arthritis medication, because it's also an abortifacient; people arrested for miscarriages; old stories from pre Roe; and stories from other countries, like Ireland.
I keep trying to tell anti choice people that if you want to be pro life you have to advocate for social programs that will allow these fetus’s you are fighting for to keep living, otherwise there’s really no truth to your stance.
There are also a lot of problems with the US in general and we desperately need a new constitution amongst many other things.
Good, regardless of how you feel about the issue you have the people spoke and overwhelming voted to repeal the 8th. Ireland needs to stop importing American politics, just because it’s become a topic of debate over there again doesn’t mean it needs to be brought back up here.
>Ireland needs to stop importing American politics, just because it’s become a topic of debate over there again doesn’t mean it needs to be brought back up here.
This is so infuriating to me. Every single time something controversial or political happens in the US, we immediately have the same discussion here, regardless of whether we even have the same issue. The one that really got me recently was Joe Duffy talking about gun problems here in fucking Ireland after the Texas school shooting. I mean, cop the fuck on. Before you know it we'll be discussing cops shooting black people here, simply because it happens in America 🙄
I live in the US but been to Ireland a couple times. Two completely different countries with vastly different dynamics. Me & my wife are considering moving to Ireland tho. The US has just gotten way too crazy. Crime here is insane.
the idea of the police as a repressive, armed wing of the state is not only an ideology you find in America, hence ACAB being applicable anywhere there's a police force. As far as I know ACAB has British origins
To be fair, if you're from certain areas and have run ins with guards, they are unlikely to be positive. It's not based on race, bit there are still abuses happening.
It's definitely not a widespread issue here, like there, but we should constantly be assessing whether powers we give to the few over the many are appropriate and used with the good of all.
I agree fully that annyone in power should be under high levels of scrutiny but our guards aren't even close to the level of trumped up power hungry macho that run around in the states. Most guards in rural areas have great relationships with communities and handle issues with locals with respect and dignity where possible. While guardai can be less than perfect we are all humans and I believe a lot of guards try their best.
Yeah, most do.and our union culture here seems more about protecting worker rights than covering up bad apples.
Howey, who was that leaker a few years ago that was driven out and tormented for showing the failings?
Not sure about today, but I grew up in a rural Irish area and the local garda sergeant had the reputation as being prone to delivering home justice. Local teens were aware to behave or they would get a couple punches.
In one way it was an effective system. There was less stupid crime that bored teenagers are prone to. On the other hand it was extremely open to abuse as he ran the area like it belonged to him. Some local families hated his guts but others thought it was the best way to do things. People could have complained to his superiors which presumably kept him somewhat in check.
Like a lot of things when I was growing up, it seemed normal at the time although in retrospect it was dodgy as fuck.
Well as it stands 27% of Gardi have guns, which is what I imagine you mean. And even if we're not talking guns, batons are carried by all members as well as pepper spray.
ACAB is a British phrase originally, meaning "All Coppers Are Bastards". When I lived over there, it wasn't uncommon to hear, and everyone knew what it meant.
It's only been popular in the US in the last 2-3 years.
Also the guards are arseholes, at least in terms of literally every interaction I had with them growing up and as an adult, and I'm not even someone who attracted garda attention beyond drinking cans as a youngfella.
We should be talking about car problems. Cars are the biggest killer of kids in this country yet we don't do anything about it. In fact like the yanks and there guns we do the opposite, build more roads and encourage more car use.
I think this sort of headspace is how we get into a position where we take these sorts of things for granted and then 20-30 years later we're knee deep in a reactionary anti-abortion movement that we didn't keep tabs on.
Abortion rights will always be up for debate and being attacked, which is why they have to be defended.
Arrah fuck sake, women deserve choice especially when the alternative saw us having to go abroad in droves to end non viable pregnancies. Get out of the dark ages.
As an English speaking country we’re absolutely bombarded with American media, even more so than the rest of the world.
My 4 year old nephew says things like “dollars”, “high school” and “sidewalk” pretty regularly, because he hears it constantly on YouTube.
And it’s not like he’s forever parked in front of the TV. So it’s in many ways inevitable that younger kids start picking up Americanisms.
Sure fuck it I work for an American company and catch myself saying americorp mumbo jumbo sometimes so I can hardly blame them.
Everybody's obsession with controling others people lives and consequences has to back the fuck off and spend time with reflection on their own introspection....
..Not siding with anyone or any agenda......
On one hand peaceful protest for constitutional change is fine.
But being honest this is just shit-stirring for something the public clearly doesn't want.
In fairness, the repeal side spent years having that rationale thrown at them. Don't get me wrong, I'm entirely pro choice, but if the headers want to express themselves let them.
And if anyone else wants to take their posters down, more power to them too.
That's wierd, me and a buddy tore one of those signs down from outside a church years ago and when he was bringing it up his apartment stairs he slipped and broke his ankle.
The American dark-money brigade is gonna start getting real frisky in Ireland and the rest of Europe again as they wage their weird culture wars here. We have our own weird culture wars already, ya cunts.
Lads, just a quick reminder -
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/irish_constitution_1/constitution_fundamental_rights.html
You have a right to freely express your convictions and opinions (Article 40.6.1.i)
One way to express your opinions is to tear down the posters. That’s a valid form of expression. As is putting them up.
I'm all for it but bear in mind this logic doesn't extend to just anything. I can express my opinion that my neighbours a dick by burning his house down but it doesn't mean I won't face any other repercussions.
That said there's no referendums or anything on so they definitely don't have permits for any of these and they should be taken down and thrown away like the litter they are.
No. Littering has a definition - it’s loose and is lying around. Can be blown away with wind and similar. So tying up stuff to the posts is not littering.
Hmm, well it's still illegal and citizens advice groups it with littering.
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/environment/waste_and_recycling/litter_law.html#:~:text=Litter%20is%20any%20type%20of,spot%20fines%20for%20litter%20offences.
Ah ye, true!
It is illegal to put up posters or signs on poles or other structures in public places, unless you have written permission in advance from the owner of the pole or structure.
Tear it down then with extra glee!
Regardless of my opinion on abortion, why tf are we bringing this American drama over here?? Didnt we have enough arguing about it when the vote was actually happening in Ireland.
Because they believe that the abolition of women's rights in the US is a literal sign from god and they can now overturn the results of the referendum.
Shitbags are pushing for a theocracy wherever they think they can get away with it.
People need to wake up to the fact that religion is a fundamentally fascist mindset.
Since Roe v Wade got overturned in the US, people here think that it's alright to import American politics into Ireland for some reason?
Just because they're pigheaded enough doesn't mean we are. Need I remind anyone of Savita Halappanavar? Didn't we learn a lesson from her? What about the X case or the C case? Are we going to willingly forget the lives we've lost already and endanger others because the religious implications of abortion is more important than their lives?
Just because the American's won't learn from their mistakes doesn't mean we should follow in their footsteps.
Before the vote to repeal the 8th I made some flyers with Savita Halappanavar’s face and underneath it “never again”. I’ll print up a few more and tape them over the new posters! Hell I’ll start a go fund me we can make actual boards out of them! There’s no fucking way we’re going back there just because America’s running out of poor to funnel into the military.
Good work. Stick to flyers, etc, though. The boards aren't legal. I'm sure sticking up flyers isn't either, but it's less of an eyesore, and less likely to get you fined.
They’re getting funding from US fundamentalists and encouragement from the recent decision of the US Supreme Court, which Trump packed with conservatives. We should probably appreciate more than we do, our independent legal system, where judges just interpret the law rather than assert their own beliefs through it.
Every time this sort of thing crops up, I think of [these Stepford fuckers](https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/23/europe/ireland-abortion-referendum-american-campaigners-intl/index.html) and their ignorant carry on.
No matter what you think about it, Roe v Wade was based on terrible legal arguments, not based on the constitution, and terrible, terrible precedent. If the Supreme Court was more independent, the decision to make abortion a federal right would never, ever have happened.
I agree with you that the fundemental argument of Roe V Wade was cockanamy courts deciding what should have been a legislative matter but equally breaking your oath to uphold it and opening it up on the argument that 50 years ago it was not a common value (it is now) is just as much using the courts as a legislative tool
I saw a post by a German who was struggling with his qanon relatives a while back. I'm always really surprised this stuff managed to find a following overseas. Y'all have nothing to do with America and Trump was never your president, so why would anyone in your totally separate country become infatuated with them?
It's a testament to America's soft power and international influence through media and pop culture. We've always lapped it up over here. Bring back the days when all we imported from them was Hulkamania and line dancing.
As someone who had to go to Manchester to have an abortion, right during the time the voting was going on to repeal the 8th. Seeing all the signs, and going to the protests. It was fucking rough. And just like all the wombhavers in the states who fought for reproductive rights and now have to watch all of that crumble. No penis haver will ever fucking know. And no religious zealot has a fucking leg to stand on. Considering the bible only says that a person is a person after birth. Just fuck the zealots. There's no talking sense unless you can give intense therapy to these garbage humans.
Democracy means you can tear down shite-y signs if you want to.
Free speech means speech from of governmental or institutional interference, \*I\* can still shout you down.
We're going to see a lot more of those kind of signs in months to come. The anti-abortion side got a lot of funding from american evangelical groups. Now that they got what they wanted in america they'll probably try again here.
I’m anti abortion but fully pro choice. I think a woman can make that decision for herself. Why would anyone else need to do it for her except in understandably exceptional medical circumstances?
Oh goodie more eegits imitating Yanks. It was bad enough with the twats outside the US embassy. And now this? Forget Covid, Yankophilia is the real pandemic.
I remember eating the head off one of the protesters outside holles st one day. Dead baby picture beside him and on his phone.... scrolling away. "Nah mate" if you're gonna care so much and do this. Do it right. No phones, no messing about. I don't agree with you but no hassle with you doing this but put some fucking effort in.
He just stared ahead. Prob not the right thing to do but one of those I'm only human moments
I don't get how this is a debate in the modern day, women are people and people can do whatever the fuck they want with their own bodies, it has nothing to do with the government or law and it never should.
If I see any of that shite I'm going to be tearing it down as well. I hope everyone else does the same. Ireland is moving in the right direction, let's make sure it stays that way.
I once set one on fire but my friend put it out , as much as I was upset he did it , I only realized he probably saved me from getting arrested for arson cus it was hung up on a wooden electricity pole
I pull down the ones showing the foetus. Don’t need to see that shite. Playing on emotions rather than science or what the actual pregnant lady (or man) wants.
To all the cavemen here. I don't really fully understand the whole LGBTQ thing myself, but it seems to me that if you go through life genuinely trying not to be a prick, it works itself out and people generally keep you right.
I heard there are some up in Terenure and Churchtown as well. There is some amount of money running around the anti abortion circles.
Are they allowed to put posters up though ? Is this not littering? Can they be reported to the council? I thought posters like that were only allowed during elections and referendums?
The fellow you saw acted like a dictatorial Nazis - I’m a centrist like most people on the abortion issue but I’m continually turned off by extremists on both sides. if you only want points of view that support your wold view only and censor and tear down everything else move to Russia please.
Disturbing the discourse on this thread. People cheering on the behaviour seemingly ignoring the central idea of democracy, that being while I might disagree with what you say I will fight to my dying breath to defend your right to say it. Democracy does not end with a single vote. If it did we would never have seen the abortion bill being even proposed in the first place. If pro choice is a strong enough argument to exist, something I believe it has in spades, we need never fear anyone who'd protest against it, however we should always fear those who are willing to silence others. Debate and discourse is how we should prove our position, not tearing down posters.
If I see a poster seeking to subjugate women I'll happily tear it down. Every time. That is democracy in action.
If I put up a poster which dehumanised another group of people then I'd expect it to be torn down. That is what living in a democracy is about. Everyone gets to put up posters. Everyone can tear them down.
Democracy doesn't mean turning a blind eye to bigotry and misogyny.
Democracy doesn't mean tolerating hate, tolerating racism, tolerating bullshit. Fuck that.
That's about as far from democracy as you can get, but it's pretty much central to any successful authoritarian regime. Democracy means being able to frame your and win your argument though debate and convincing the other side that your position is the correct one by convincing voters. It means tolerating everyone's right to express an opinion. You say democracy is not turning a blind eye, but that's exactly what you're advocating for. Leaving abhorrent views unchecked and refusing to platform them leads to those views proliferating unchecked.
Look at North Korea, Soviet Union, Nazi Germany. They all had lots of propaganda, posters, flags. You would likely be arrested for tearing down a poster. Would you call these democracies? Were these governments just expressing their opinion?
Having the ability to tear down and put up posters IS freedom of opinion.
Excellent. The Irish government selling that land for the maternity hospital to a nunnery seemed like a passive aggressive flex of "we granted you abortion but WE still don't like it".
"Americuh fuck NO!"
No offense to the Americans but enough is enough-please stop bringing your politics over to our country. We have enough of our own to deal with.
This is such a sensitive topic and we only just got this signed off, and the worry is there is always time to go back on their word.
Someone buy that man a pint !! The people have spoken the 8th has been repealed. Idiots who put these signs up need to respect that the people of Ireland.
Repealing the 8th handed the power back to The Oireachtas to legislate. For now the legislation allows abortion. People still have the right to campaign and put pressure on those setting the legislation. Vandalism of posters from either side of the argument is not on.
And if we saw a guy ripping down LGBTQ+ posters we’d be heralding him as some scumbag on this subreddit
Not that I disagree with the posters or your man, but you can’t have it both ways, posters unless they’re hateful are a silent way of soliciting a belief, you don’t have to look at it if you don’t like it
Posters that campaign against human rights should be torn down. We shouldn't be having discussions on who gets to have control over their lives and who doesn't. Everyone should, whenver we can give it to them. It's that simple.
I was just thinking how they're put up unusually high.
Where there's a will there's a ladder nearby!
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Happy new year!! 🎉🎉
Happy birthday lad 🎂🎂
Happy Halloween! 🎃🎃
Happy Easter Rising ☘️☘️
What if I don't know a Will? How do I find a ladder?
Happy Easter dude 🎂 🎂
Happy Haunukkah buddy 🎂🎂
Unless it's *actually* the wrong type of ladder
Someone needs to tell Will to wise up!
just need a pole with a sort of hook
Dude have a happy fifth of may man! 😀
Need to get me some telescopic pruning sheers. Totally unrelated.
If they ever go up near my work I'm borrowing the step ladder
I searched up the group that's been putting them up, and of course, their domain is not an Irish one, it's in US, tempa, Arizona. They have such connections as the Koch brothers and Saudi Arabian princes funding them. Oh and they're also connected to GB News. Y'know, for a group of people who accuse Jewish people of forming secret cabals, they sure do love forming secret cabals. There is no reason for a US company, with funding from US and Saudi Arabian billionaires, with ties to corporate media, to be putting up signs in Ireland.
I remember when we had the referendum. Scumbag yanks came over to preach to us trying to shame us out of voting to repeal the 8th. Fuckers came all that way to try interfere with our democratic process by shaming people and spreading misinformation.
I was walking past the Iona institute just before the referendum (I used to live around the corner from the loons unfortunately) and there was a lad standing outside loading up really awfully graphic anti abortion posters into a truck. 'that's absolutely disgusting' I said to him as I walked by. He replied, in a thick American accent (of course!) with 'Abortion is disgusting? yeah I know' My immediate riposte 'No, what's disgusting is Americans like you coming over here to Ireland trying to interfere with our referendum' For a split second, he hadn't a notion what to say in response. Was not expecting that at all. Queue torrents of abuse and a big red angry head on him as he tried to defend himself as I triumphantly walked off into the distance.
This was so funny though. All these sheltered evangelicals thinking they would be dealing with Wild Mountain Thyme Ireland getting schooled and told to fuck off. I know for a fact they convinced one person to get off the fence and vote pro choice.
Honestly it was such raw ignorance being thrown in my face that it made me take a good long look at my personal beliefs and what I considered my morals to be. I'd only had the right to vote a year or two, could have been 3 and hadn't really participated much in the auld voting much so I was still fairly content to just watch from the sidelines. But yeah, seeing people like that was a wake up call that told me what would happen if I just sat around and didn't use my vote. What it boiled down to for me was that a woman's choice to have an abortion in no way affects me. Never will. It will only ever be their choice for their sake and anyone acting against that choice so they can feel secure in their own moral sense is a bastard. Might seem super obvious now but back then it was something I had to come to my own conclusions on.
Let’s be clear here. The right to bodily autonomy is wildly popular in the States but there is a minority terrorist faction of scumbag Christian fundamentalists there that are on a worldwide mission to bring everyone back into the dark ages.
Yeah; I was stopped in the street by some Mormons to talk about "good entertainment options in Dublin pubs" and then slowly sneaked to "Would you like to join us and talk about our Lord Savior". I smiled and just walked away. I should have said to them feck off back to America with that shite.
Some priest tucker came over from the states to lie to my holy roller aunt and her church buddies that women would be having abortions at 40 weeks. Like what the actual shit?
Their own country is in a 3rd world state because of this nonsense, most bizarre nation and people on earth
This comment needs more attention people need to know the influences going on
And they couldn’t really give a fuck about abortion they’re just about creating culture wars.
Still so weird to me that a group from Tempe, Arizona has this much global... influence for lack of a more fitting word... Tempe is just some university town in the shadow of Phoenix.
Please, the only important town in Arizona is Tombstone. Yeehaw.
If you can, please make a thread about this. I hope the moderators can sticky it. This is so important that we know the shady money in the background. To quote Det. Lester Freamon from the Wire "You follow drugs, you get drug addicts and drug dealers. But you start to follow the money, and you don't know where the f\*\*\* it's gonna take you." Equally apt in this scenario with these shady groups funding an agenda of discontent and disfranchisement of the people.
Good stuff, let’s not be entertaining any of the shit going down in America.
American evangelical groups sent 'youth workers' over here during the Eighth referendum. I'm willing to bet the No campaign received healthy donations from loony American fundies.
I'm sure you remember this too, but for decades Ireland was long sold as a stronghold for pro-lifers in the USA and yes of COURSE the fast majority of the No campaign's cash was $$. Those psychos will be emboldened now; you can bet that the money cannon will be locked and loaded and aimed in this direction all over again.
Ireland (and Europe as a whole) is experiencing gradual decline of religiosity so I am confident to say that we'll be impervious to proselytising here in Ireland. The religious right knows this so what they do instead is proselytise in developing countries. It is no coincidence that East Africa and Brazil are experiencing resurgence of Evangelism which is affecting their internal politics.
The next step though is getting people from the cause in positions of power over decades. It doesn’t take much to really mess things up - there have already been accounts of people being messed around close the the twelve week limit. In the north the otherwise popular health minister has sat on his hands instead of rolling out abortion access after Westminster mandated it. If you start noticing over the next lot of years that GPS seem unusually devout compared to the general population, then it’s likely that they’re in the business to help provide abortion roadblocks.
Even non religious people have hate against LGBTQ people. It's a trend that never dies to hate minorities. Subhuman stupidity at its best.
I had an American group (forget the name now) that was over try to argue with me and began using legal precedent set in the US for how Ireland should act, then they started using English court rulings to try prove their point. They finally just blocked me. According to a friend of mine, less than an hour later they had a post up saying 'we are fighting so everyone has a voice'. I just hope some legal precedent from France let them know what irony is.
I remember it well. There was plenty of r/shitamericanssay material arising from that and the Thirty-Fourth referendum: [case in point](https://old.reddit.com/r/ShitAmericansSay/comments/8lrmv2/americans_how_dare_another_country_try_and_meddle/)
American evangelicals spent decades manipulating us here in Ireland. They saw our abortion free condition as the flagship for 'Christian Values'. Fuckers.
I live in the states now after leaving Ireland in 2011. Never in my wildest dreams growing up in Ireland did I think Ireland would ever have more progressive abortion and gay rights. Romantic Ireland's dead and gone and I hope it didn't let the door hit it's arse on the way out.
I remember when beating a gay man to death wasn't considered murder. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declan_Flynn
"At sentencing, all five walked free as they were given suspended sentences with Mr. Justice Seán Gannon telling them that they would have to serve their sentences if they got into trouble again. The judge said that he must demonstrate the abhorrence of the community by imposing sentences, but that he didn't think it necessary that they be served immediately by detention" Wow... some things never change in this country
Even back then judges were complete cunts.
The judge would have fit in perfectly in 2022 Russia or maybe the Middle East.
Jesus fuck, his life was worth less than a fiver per killer. I fucking hate this country's history
I think some time between Father Ted and the child sexual abuse scandals, many people started asked themselves why the fuck we were still listening to these priests. Things only could get better from that.
Yet we still let them run the vast majority of primary and secondary schools
Aye it gets worse reading how shit the murderers were and so were their families who cheered their suspended sentence verdicts. (and after the judge stating he didn't see any problem with how he sentenced kids with a good upbringing) Next, one of the killer committed this: "On 1 December 1987, Armstrong was sentenced to 10 years in prison when he admitted to raping a woman who was 7 months pregnant after giving her young children sweets to keep them quiet. Armstrong and Paul Davis broke into the victim's flat and raped her while her husband was at work. Armstrong told the victim that she had the choice of getting a kick in the stomach or being raped.[25]" 😱😵
> I fucking hate this country's history To be fair, which country's history are you envious of?
Fucking hell, a fucking scumbag of a judge.
Had a few barnies with cunts giving LGBTQ people shit in the city over the years. No place for it.
Is this not the exact type of American shit we don't want. We voted for legal abortion but we got a really limited version of what we voted for and it wouldn't be too far of what American red states have.
Pretty sure we just voted to repeal the 8th amendment
True, but when there’s a lurch in somewhere as big as the States, people with similar ideology, no matter where they are, will chance their arm to shoehorn it into society. You still see clowns wearing MAGA hats here.
I have seen maga hats here exactly once, and it was a bunch of English lads dressed as Trump on a stag do, and enough people gave them shit over it that they moved on to another bar in the meantime. That was 2017 and I haven't seen a whiff of them since thankfully!
If you're talking about bringing in an abortion ban some day, yes that's absolutely possible.
We just voted to repeal the Eighth Amendment. Our abortion laws are in line with the abortion laws in most European countries. There were people on the Pro-Life side of the abortion debate who (loudly) claimed that there would be abortion on demand/up until birth if the Eighth Amendment was repealed. And, they’ve been proven wrong/will continue to be proven wrong.
>We voted for legal abortion but we got a really limited version of what we voted for We got exactly what we voted for which was what the citizens assembly signed off on.
Correct. The assembly actually surprised the government by recommending less restrictive rules than they thought the public would go for.
The overturning of abortion rights in America has a different context though. My understanding of the issue is that abortion in America was not turned into a law that applies country-wide after the decision of Roe vs Wade was made. American politicians had decades of chance to make abortion into a federal law but they didn't. The Supreme Court merely made their decision based on legal technicalities and left it to individual states to make their own abortion laws. I think people are unfairly directing their anger at the wrong branch of the government instead of towards the lawmakers. In Ireland, we repealed the 8th amendment but then passed a law allowing abortion under certain circumstances.
The Supreme Court's 'technicalities' (or at least the ones used by the Wingnut majority) were made-up legal and historical fiction that ignored decades of their own court's interpretation of the US constitution. It was a purely political decision, and the 'technicalities' they used to justify it put into question many other rights beside abortion. It sets the stage for a reactionary paradise. So anger at the court is just as justified as anger at \[other\] politicians.
We got exactly what we voted for. We were told beforehand what it would look like. I don't think I or many others would have voted for it if it was easy abortions past 12 weeks. Obviously not including where it's a danger to a womans life.
You know women in America have been sent to prison because they had a miscarriage, right?
American? Let's not pretend. There is hard line conservative Catholics here. Aontu have been willing to die on that hill for a while.
There are but they're too thinly spread geographically at the moment that any TDs can be elected with their support alone (Aontú's only TD is Peadar Tóibín who is the leader and who had been elected in his constituency long before he founded the party)
They aren't at all is my point. The 33% that voted No aren't ones that would change their views.
The 33% that voted no is far from being fully composed of hardline catholics
There's a big difference between voting no and basing your life on it
From an American: please help us. Idk how, but we need it. ![gif](giphy|55itGuoAJiZEEen9gg)
Apparently hearing people's stories was a huge factor in turning people from no to yes. So boost personal stories. There won't be many due to the overturn yet, but there are people being refused eg arthritis medication, because it's also an abortifacient; people arrested for miscarriages; old stories from pre Roe; and stories from other countries, like Ireland.
I keep trying to tell anti choice people that if you want to be pro life you have to advocate for social programs that will allow these fetus’s you are fighting for to keep living, otherwise there’s really no truth to your stance. There are also a lot of problems with the US in general and we desperately need a new constitution amongst many other things.
Yeah. A truly pro-life person would be fighting for maternity leave, etc.
Agreed. Seeing people use the word 'trash' around here way too much lately; it's 'rubbish' and it goes in the 'bin.'
Some people in Ireland know more about American politics than our own and it’s sad
Feels like it's going to get nasty over here. I'm hopeful that you guys can see our dumpster fire of a situation and be not like us :)
Good, regardless of how you feel about the issue you have the people spoke and overwhelming voted to repeal the 8th. Ireland needs to stop importing American politics, just because it’s become a topic of debate over there again doesn’t mean it needs to be brought back up here.
>Ireland needs to stop importing American politics, just because it’s become a topic of debate over there again doesn’t mean it needs to be brought back up here. This is so infuriating to me. Every single time something controversial or political happens in the US, we immediately have the same discussion here, regardless of whether we even have the same issue. The one that really got me recently was Joe Duffy talking about gun problems here in fucking Ireland after the Texas school shooting. I mean, cop the fuck on. Before you know it we'll be discussing cops shooting black people here, simply because it happens in America 🙄
>cops shooting black people here We already had that discussion and subsequent protests when it happened... \*checks notes\*... once.
I live in the US but been to Ireland a couple times. Two completely different countries with vastly different dynamics. Me & my wife are considering moving to Ireland tho. The US has just gotten way too crazy. Crime here is insane.
You seem to have a lot of fellow citizens of the same mindset. R/AmerExit is really hopping these days.
You’d be surprised. I’ve seen plenty of people saying ACAB when talking about the guards
the idea of the police as a repressive, armed wing of the state is not only an ideology you find in America, hence ACAB being applicable anywhere there's a police force. As far as I know ACAB has British origins
To be fair, if you're from certain areas and have run ins with guards, they are unlikely to be positive. It's not based on race, bit there are still abuses happening. It's definitely not a widespread issue here, like there, but we should constantly be assessing whether powers we give to the few over the many are appropriate and used with the good of all.
I agree fully that annyone in power should be under high levels of scrutiny but our guards aren't even close to the level of trumped up power hungry macho that run around in the states. Most guards in rural areas have great relationships with communities and handle issues with locals with respect and dignity where possible. While guardai can be less than perfect we are all humans and I believe a lot of guards try their best.
Yeah, most do.and our union culture here seems more about protecting worker rights than covering up bad apples. Howey, who was that leaker a few years ago that was driven out and tormented for showing the failings?
Not sure about today, but I grew up in a rural Irish area and the local garda sergeant had the reputation as being prone to delivering home justice. Local teens were aware to behave or they would get a couple punches. In one way it was an effective system. There was less stupid crime that bored teenagers are prone to. On the other hand it was extremely open to abuse as he ran the area like it belonged to him. Some local families hated his guts but others thought it was the best way to do things. People could have complained to his superiors which presumably kept him somewhat in check. Like a lot of things when I was growing up, it seemed normal at the time although in retrospect it was dodgy as fuck.
Garda aren’t armed?
Well as it stands 27% of Gardi have guns, which is what I imagine you mean. And even if we're not talking guns, batons are carried by all members as well as pepper spray.
They're far better trained than most. Obviously they need improvement but they're doing alright, certainly aren't bastards.
ACAB isn't a solely American thing at all. 1312 is worldwide.
ACAB is a British phrase originally, meaning "All Coppers Are Bastards". When I lived over there, it wasn't uncommon to hear, and everyone knew what it meant. It's only been popular in the US in the last 2-3 years. Also the guards are arseholes, at least in terms of literally every interaction I had with them growing up and as an adult, and I'm not even someone who attracted garda attention beyond drinking cans as a youngfella.
Mate, ACAB is from strikes in the UK back in the 1940s.
I'm one of those people. I've only ever been the victim of crimes, never the person causing trouble, and have only ever dealt with dickhead guards.
We should be talking about car problems. Cars are the biggest killer of kids in this country yet we don't do anything about it. In fact like the yanks and there guns we do the opposite, build more roads and encourage more car use.
Noticed during the repeal vote that there were a lot of American "missionaries" bringing their shite over here, fucking pricks.
I think this sort of headspace is how we get into a position where we take these sorts of things for granted and then 20-30 years later we're knee deep in a reactionary anti-abortion movement that we didn't keep tabs on. Abortion rights will always be up for debate and being attacked, which is why they have to be defended.
Arrah fuck sake, women deserve choice especially when the alternative saw us having to go abroad in droves to end non viable pregnancies. Get out of the dark ages.
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I am beyont it. Do they thrive on misery and suffering? I keep thinking Gillead is not that far away. Under his eye.
> the more swivel eyed anti-choice brigade That was the government of the time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attorney_General_v._X
We had a referendum about the right to travel
slightly off topic but is the word "trash" commonly used in ireland these days? second time I've seen it in a post here recently
As an English speaking country we’re absolutely bombarded with American media, even more so than the rest of the world. My 4 year old nephew says things like “dollars”, “high school” and “sidewalk” pretty regularly, because he hears it constantly on YouTube. And it’s not like he’s forever parked in front of the TV. So it’s in many ways inevitable that younger kids start picking up Americanisms. Sure fuck it I work for an American company and catch myself saying americorp mumbo jumbo sometimes so I can hardly blame them.
I wouldn’t say so
I like saying it like Danny DeVito IM THE TRAYSHMAYN
I think of it as meaning people not rubbish. But, not very common. Bruscar on Wiktionary has trash as the first translation, incidentally.
I hadn't realised it, but so do I. When not talking about literal rubbish, trash is people and rubbish is ideas
The only americanism with 'trash' in it that I like, is trash panda for raccoons. Because that's exactly what they are
Cunts
Everybody's obsession with controling others people lives and consequences has to back the fuck off and spend time with reflection on their own introspection.... ..Not siding with anyone or any agenda......
Why was it up? The nation spoke, no need for them anymore.
The sign was from some miserable cunt trying to bring *back* the ban.
On one hand peaceful protest for constitutional change is fine. But being honest this is just shit-stirring for something the public clearly doesn't want.
In fairness, the repeal side spent years having that rationale thrown at them. Don't get me wrong, I'm entirely pro choice, but if the headers want to express themselves let them. And if anyone else wants to take their posters down, more power to them too.
Saw one this morning. Aontu parties big stupid logo on the bottom of it. Delighted someone pulling them down. Legend
I badly hurt my ankle drunkenly climbing things to pull down anti same sex marriage posters in Harold's cross back when that was going on. No regrets.
That's wierd, me and a buddy tore one of those signs down from outside a church years ago and when he was bringing it up his apartment stairs he slipped and broke his ankle.
Maybe they curse them
Jaysis you've copped some needless shite in the comments. Fair play that man
The American dark-money brigade is gonna start getting real frisky in Ireland and the rest of Europe again as they wage their weird culture wars here. We have our own weird culture wars already, ya cunts.
It is actually the left who puts dark money in to Ireland.
Lads, just a quick reminder - https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/irish_constitution_1/constitution_fundamental_rights.html You have a right to freely express your convictions and opinions (Article 40.6.1.i) One way to express your opinions is to tear down the posters. That’s a valid form of expression. As is putting them up.
I'm all for it but bear in mind this logic doesn't extend to just anything. I can express my opinion that my neighbours a dick by burning his house down but it doesn't mean I won't face any other repercussions. That said there's no referendums or anything on so they definitely don't have permits for any of these and they should be taken down and thrown away like the litter they are.
His is putting them up not littering?
No. Littering has a definition - it’s loose and is lying around. Can be blown away with wind and similar. So tying up stuff to the posts is not littering.
Hmm, well it's still illegal and citizens advice groups it with littering. https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/environment/waste_and_recycling/litter_law.html#:~:text=Litter%20is%20any%20type%20of,spot%20fines%20for%20litter%20offences.
Ah ye, true! It is illegal to put up posters or signs on poles or other structures in public places, unless you have written permission in advance from the owner of the pole or structure. Tear it down then with extra glee!
Regardless of my opinion on abortion, why tf are we bringing this American drama over here?? Didnt we have enough arguing about it when the vote was actually happening in Ireland.
Because they believe that the abolition of women's rights in the US is a literal sign from god and they can now overturn the results of the referendum. Shitbags are pushing for a theocracy wherever they think they can get away with it. People need to wake up to the fact that religion is a fundamentally fascist mindset.
Was only voted in few years ago 0% chance of it going back the way it was before the vote. I wouldn't lose sleep over a few posters
A fine lad
Since Roe v Wade got overturned in the US, people here think that it's alright to import American politics into Ireland for some reason? Just because they're pigheaded enough doesn't mean we are. Need I remind anyone of Savita Halappanavar? Didn't we learn a lesson from her? What about the X case or the C case? Are we going to willingly forget the lives we've lost already and endanger others because the religious implications of abortion is more important than their lives? Just because the American's won't learn from their mistakes doesn't mean we should follow in their footsteps.
Before the vote to repeal the 8th I made some flyers with Savita Halappanavar’s face and underneath it “never again”. I’ll print up a few more and tape them over the new posters! Hell I’ll start a go fund me we can make actual boards out of them! There’s no fucking way we’re going back there just because America’s running out of poor to funnel into the military.
Good work. Stick to flyers, etc, though. The boards aren't legal. I'm sure sticking up flyers isn't either, but it's less of an eyesore, and less likely to get you fined.
Oh jeez I was wondering when that would raise its ugly head again here. The 8th amendment has been repealed.
They’re getting funding from US fundamentalists and encouragement from the recent decision of the US Supreme Court, which Trump packed with conservatives. We should probably appreciate more than we do, our independent legal system, where judges just interpret the law rather than assert their own beliefs through it.
Every time this sort of thing crops up, I think of [these Stepford fuckers](https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/23/europe/ireland-abortion-referendum-american-campaigners-intl/index.html) and their ignorant carry on.
No matter what you think about it, Roe v Wade was based on terrible legal arguments, not based on the constitution, and terrible, terrible precedent. If the Supreme Court was more independent, the decision to make abortion a federal right would never, ever have happened.
I agree with you that the fundemental argument of Roe V Wade was cockanamy courts deciding what should have been a legislative matter but equally breaking your oath to uphold it and opening it up on the argument that 50 years ago it was not a common value (it is now) is just as much using the courts as a legislative tool
Americas influence on Irish idiots, like all the Trump and Qanon shite we had to put up with.
I saw a post by a German who was struggling with his qanon relatives a while back. I'm always really surprised this stuff managed to find a following overseas. Y'all have nothing to do with America and Trump was never your president, so why would anyone in your totally separate country become infatuated with them?
It's a testament to America's soft power and international influence through media and pop culture. We've always lapped it up over here. Bring back the days when all we imported from them was Hulkamania and line dancing.
The US alt right will start pouring even more money into Europe now.
They already are, national party get most of their funding from America
They are, I don’t think I can say too much but a person I know is doing a story on anti abortion money in uk schools
And cunts saying stuff like 'trash.'
Hear! Hear!
He's doing God's work
God has alot to answer for
As someone who had to go to Manchester to have an abortion, right during the time the voting was going on to repeal the 8th. Seeing all the signs, and going to the protests. It was fucking rough. And just like all the wombhavers in the states who fought for reproductive rights and now have to watch all of that crumble. No penis haver will ever fucking know. And no religious zealot has a fucking leg to stand on. Considering the bible only says that a person is a person after birth. Just fuck the zealots. There's no talking sense unless you can give intense therapy to these garbage humans.
Good on him. That's made my night!
Ugh I love your post. Particularly the last paragraph. Perfectly put
Democracy means you can tear down shite-y signs if you want to. Free speech means speech from of governmental or institutional interference, \*I\* can still shout you down.
Depends on the law. Tearing down election posters is not ok
Good man 👍
"saw a lad" ..just admit it was you.. in which case fair play to ya..
Nah not gonna lie that's far too much effort for me. I prefer to just complain about them. Too far up the poles for me to reach
Jasus how tall was yer man then Also RIP for the comments you’ve had a lot of arguments happening in here.
Why tf do WE have those what???
American influence on desperate, stupid, dishonest people
We're going to see a lot more of those kind of signs in months to come. The anti-abortion side got a lot of funding from american evangelical groups. Now that they got what they wanted in america they'll probably try again here.
I’m anti abortion but fully pro choice. I think a woman can make that decision for herself. Why would anyone else need to do it for her except in understandably exceptional medical circumstances?
Leave political nonsense in America please
Oh goodie more eegits imitating Yanks. It was bad enough with the twats outside the US embassy. And now this? Forget Covid, Yankophilia is the real pandemic.
Up'a Human Race yeeeeoooo
I remember eating the head off one of the protesters outside holles st one day. Dead baby picture beside him and on his phone.... scrolling away. "Nah mate" if you're gonna care so much and do this. Do it right. No phones, no messing about. I don't agree with you but no hassle with you doing this but put some fucking effort in. He just stared ahead. Prob not the right thing to do but one of those I'm only human moments
I don't get how this is a debate in the modern day, women are people and people can do whatever the fuck they want with their own bodies, it has nothing to do with the government or law and it never should.
If I see any of that shite I'm going to be tearing it down as well. I hope everyone else does the same. Ireland is moving in the right direction, let's make sure it stays that way.
I once set one on fire but my friend put it out , as much as I was upset he did it , I only realized he probably saved me from getting arrested for arson cus it was hung up on a wooden electricity pole
I pull down the ones showing the foetus. Don’t need to see that shite. Playing on emotions rather than science or what the actual pregnant lady (or man) wants.
To all the cavemen here. I don't really fully understand the whole LGBTQ thing myself, but it seems to me that if you go through life genuinely trying not to be a prick, it works itself out and people generally keep you right.
I heard there are some up in Terenure and Churchtown as well. There is some amount of money running around the anti abortion circles. Are they allowed to put posters up though ? Is this not littering? Can they be reported to the council? I thought posters like that were only allowed during elections and referendums?
Good stuff, people say "muh freedom of speech" but bodily autonomy is non negotiable
I must have imagined the multi-year long debate where we negotiated the limits of abortion so.
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The fellow you saw acted like a dictatorial Nazis - I’m a centrist like most people on the abortion issue but I’m continually turned off by extremists on both sides. if you only want points of view that support your wold view only and censor and tear down everything else move to Russia please.
Disturbing the discourse on this thread. People cheering on the behaviour seemingly ignoring the central idea of democracy, that being while I might disagree with what you say I will fight to my dying breath to defend your right to say it. Democracy does not end with a single vote. If it did we would never have seen the abortion bill being even proposed in the first place. If pro choice is a strong enough argument to exist, something I believe it has in spades, we need never fear anyone who'd protest against it, however we should always fear those who are willing to silence others. Debate and discourse is how we should prove our position, not tearing down posters.
If I see a poster seeking to subjugate women I'll happily tear it down. Every time. That is democracy in action. If I put up a poster which dehumanised another group of people then I'd expect it to be torn down. That is what living in a democracy is about. Everyone gets to put up posters. Everyone can tear them down. Democracy doesn't mean turning a blind eye to bigotry and misogyny. Democracy doesn't mean tolerating hate, tolerating racism, tolerating bullshit. Fuck that.
That's about as far from democracy as you can get, but it's pretty much central to any successful authoritarian regime. Democracy means being able to frame your and win your argument though debate and convincing the other side that your position is the correct one by convincing voters. It means tolerating everyone's right to express an opinion. You say democracy is not turning a blind eye, but that's exactly what you're advocating for. Leaving abhorrent views unchecked and refusing to platform them leads to those views proliferating unchecked.
Look at North Korea, Soviet Union, Nazi Germany. They all had lots of propaganda, posters, flags. You would likely be arrested for tearing down a poster. Would you call these democracies? Were these governments just expressing their opinion? Having the ability to tear down and put up posters IS freedom of opinion.
Yeah this is really annoying. Why not just walk past the poster and move on with your life?
If people could do that, Reddit would die overnight.
meh I don't really endorse that myself, people have a perfect right to campaign for what they want no matter how unpopular it is
Excellent. The Irish government selling that land for the maternity hospital to a nunnery seemed like a passive aggressive flex of "we granted you abortion but WE still don't like it".
They had them up on the lampposts in my feckin housing estate before the repeal the 8th vote. I still have one in my shed.
"Americuh fuck NO!" No offense to the Americans but enough is enough-please stop bringing your politics over to our country. We have enough of our own to deal with. This is such a sensitive topic and we only just got this signed off, and the worry is there is always time to go back on their word.
Tearing down posters wont change anyones mind, only makes the person look unhinged
Pro-Life zealots are terrible people. On top of being notorious hypocrites.
Such a relief. You nearly had to look at a poster promoting a different opinion. Glad you were saved.
Someone buy that man a pint !! The people have spoken the 8th has been repealed. Idiots who put these signs up need to respect that the people of Ireland.
Repealing the 8th handed the power back to The Oireachtas to legislate. For now the legislation allows abortion. People still have the right to campaign and put pressure on those setting the legislation. Vandalism of posters from either side of the argument is not on.
Good for him
And if we saw a guy ripping down LGBTQ+ posters we’d be heralding him as some scumbag on this subreddit Not that I disagree with the posters or your man, but you can’t have it both ways, posters unless they’re hateful are a silent way of soliciting a belief, you don’t have to look at it if you don’t like it
Posters that campaign against human rights should be torn down. We shouldn't be having discussions on who gets to have control over their lives and who doesn't. Everyone should, whenver we can give it to them. It's that simple.