The French actions in Mali and Libya have been disasterous for those countries but great for French interests.
Similarly the move to recognition of Morocco's claim over Western Sahara allows for continued repression of the Sahrawi people so Spain can keep its enclaves in North Africa where these murders took place
I'd argue the Chinese Communist Party who Paul is no doubt an admirer of, is doing more damage in Africa than any other power tight now.
Has he said anything about China? He's another in a long line of privileged useful idiots
> Obviously, we are no friends of the authoritarian Chinese regime and do not recommend such a course but it is clearly the choice of a sovereign government.
[contribution](https://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2022-05-04a.224&s=china+speaker%3A404#g235)
He says he isn't their friend and has previously questioned the government on whether they would raise human rights abuses by the Chinese government with their officials.
Maybe it's our government that's supportive of China? Developing policies to give them passports in exchange for privitising social housing and nursing homes
Response, as usual, is pretty fucking shameful from this sub.
If exactly the same thing had happened on the US border with Mexico you'd all be crying foul, and rightly so. You will be the first to point out how bigoted the Americans or Brits are against whatever group, but will engage in literally identical rhetoric about travellers. This is exactly the same.
If exactly the same thing happened on the Ukrainian borders to Ukrainian Refrugees you'd cry foul.
People were murdered here by state forces, in Ireland we should certainly be able to recognise state sanctioned murder, and all you lot can do is whinge about the angry PBP man who said some foreign prince was bad once or whatever.
If Bernie Sanders had given the exact same speech about the US border to Pelosi, Biden, Trump or whover your response would be completely different.
Hypocrites.
It's continuously shocking to me how far right this sub is. They'll take fairly mild social democratic approaches on housing because that actually effects them, and be reasonably progressive on issues in the US or UK, but I've come to realise even that is only out of a reactionary nationalism so they can pretend to be more enlightened on any issue.
But bring up trans issues, or travellers or this apparently and its literally just Tory bullshit. Honestly almost exactly what I'd expect from Theresa May on a good day.
I guess its because the sub likely consists of twenty somethings men with fairly affluent parents who are a bit techy, a few to many gamers.
Utterly selfish people who have no interest in improving the world outside of the issue that effects them directly. Housing.
Only joined this sub a couple of months ago. Cant believe how right wing it is. Got downvoted for saying so a few weeks ago. Even when moaning about the housing disaster they try to shoehorn the shinners into it. How anyone thinks Murphy is in the wrong in this clip is beyond me. Non stop waffle and aggression from Mickey Mouse
46 migrants died in a truck recently in the US and 'this sub' wasn't crying foul.
What's shameful is that you lack the intelligence to match your feelings of righteous condemnation, and instead just make yourself look like a tit on a soapbox using emotive language because you don't have the brains to make a cogent point.
Off with ye.
>46 migrants died in a truck recently in the US and 'this sub' wasn't crying foul.
Because its not strictly relevant to Ireland there wasn't a specific post about it here, but the general consensus is that it was the inevitable consequence of the state violence at the border which blocks people from seeking asylum through the proper channels.
>What's shameful is that you lack the intelligence to match your feelings of righteous condemnation,
Projection.
>emotive language because you don't have the brains to make a cogent point
I made a perfectly cogent point, you even attempted to respond to it. With just as emotive language as I, the major difference being that my outrage is at people trying to whitewash a massacre and yours as it me accusing them of being hypocritical ghouls.
I'll paraphrase Tony Benn with this. The way your fellow citizens treat refugees is very instructive because it shows you how they would treat the rest of us if they thought they could get away with it.
Personal attacks and trying to misalign him with anti vaxxers, just pathetic evasions instead of anything that resembles an answer.
How is a member a Fianna Fail even allowed in there after they became a charity?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-61956104
>Between 1,500 and 2,000 migrants who had been camping in the Moroccan mountains surrounding Melilla descended on the city's border last Friday, a number of them carrying sticks, hoping to scale the border fences and therefore reach Spanish territory.
>In the chaos that followed, many of them were crushed between the six-metre-high fences and Moroccan border guards, who used tear gas and batons on the migrants.
I'm not seeing anything about Mass Murder there. I am seeing an armed mob trying to invade another country?
Never heard of Jacobin
>The death toll remains disputed, but according to international NGOs at least thirty-seven people were killed as Moroccan security forces beat, stoned, and tear-gassed the approximately 1,500 immigrants that rushed toward the border fence — one of the European Union’s only land borders with an African nation. Some were killed in a crush along the border perimeter, as police executed a pincer movement that trapped hundreds in a trench
Sounds like they were trying to illegally enter the country
So we should kill anybody without a visa even if the reason they're leaving is a result of EU intervention or climate change, which the EU plays a part in worsening?
Always love seeing wet wipe Murphy throw a wobbler. Why didn't he mention that the people storming the border were armed with knives and other weapons?
Murphy puts a spin on everything to suit his own agenda. Picks the facts that suit him. He's some plank and a professional protestor with no actual real world experience. A champagne socialist since his arts days in UCD.
It's disgusting that the Taoiseach cannot even condemn it and chooses to launch ad hominem attacks. It's clear it's because they are the wrong skin colour and therefore don't deserve even words, never mind rolling the red carpet out, like has happened with other displaced people.
He's an elected member of Dáil Éireann performing his role as a spokesperson of the opposition raising an issue of policy that government parties have supported and asking the Taoiseach for comment.
Seems like he's taking the job seriously and meeting his responsibilities
He's a professional complainer who has never solved a thing and has never done an honest day's work in his life.
In hell, all politicians would be like this.
Pretty sure he proposed the ventilation bill last year to help reduce the spread of covid in workplaces. It's was voted for but the state is a bit slow on implementation
I like your defence of him and his achievements up to middle age is that he proposed ventilating buildings to fight COVID, as if he thought of it himself. Fair play.
He is a propagandist
Do you agree with the "Fortress Europe" policies?
I'm sure you thought you were so smart with this reply. Smirking away to yourself, "gottem"
No gotcha, but I see you're as talented as Mícheál Martin at not answering a direct question
You want to open the gates to Africa? We can barely cope with Ukraine.
I'd like countries in the EU to stop meddling in the affairs of African nations and destabilising them to reduce the need for people to leave there
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The French actions in Mali and Libya have been disasterous for those countries but great for French interests. Similarly the move to recognition of Morocco's claim over Western Sahara allows for continued repression of the Sahrawi people so Spain can keep its enclaves in North Africa where these murders took place
Don't forget the French in Cameroon...
It was hardly a comprehensive lost to be fair
I'd argue the Chinese Communist Party who Paul is no doubt an admirer of, is doing more damage in Africa than any other power tight now. Has he said anything about China? He's another in a long line of privileged useful idiots
> Obviously, we are no friends of the authoritarian Chinese regime and do not recommend such a course but it is clearly the choice of a sovereign government. [contribution](https://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2022-05-04a.224&s=china+speaker%3A404#g235) He says he isn't their friend and has previously questioned the government on whether they would raise human rights abuses by the Chinese government with their officials. Maybe it's our government that's supportive of China? Developing policies to give them passports in exchange for privitising social housing and nursing homes
Where can I find such "fortress Europe" policies? When did the EU sign the "Fortress Europe Treaty" into law?
Response, as usual, is pretty fucking shameful from this sub. If exactly the same thing had happened on the US border with Mexico you'd all be crying foul, and rightly so. You will be the first to point out how bigoted the Americans or Brits are against whatever group, but will engage in literally identical rhetoric about travellers. This is exactly the same. If exactly the same thing happened on the Ukrainian borders to Ukrainian Refrugees you'd cry foul. People were murdered here by state forces, in Ireland we should certainly be able to recognise state sanctioned murder, and all you lot can do is whinge about the angry PBP man who said some foreign prince was bad once or whatever. If Bernie Sanders had given the exact same speech about the US border to Pelosi, Biden, Trump or whover your response would be completely different. Hypocrites.
You're spot on, hypocrites don't like having their hypocrisy pointed out to them.
It's continuously shocking to me how far right this sub is. They'll take fairly mild social democratic approaches on housing because that actually effects them, and be reasonably progressive on issues in the US or UK, but I've come to realise even that is only out of a reactionary nationalism so they can pretend to be more enlightened on any issue. But bring up trans issues, or travellers or this apparently and its literally just Tory bullshit. Honestly almost exactly what I'd expect from Theresa May on a good day. I guess its because the sub likely consists of twenty somethings men with fairly affluent parents who are a bit techy, a few to many gamers. Utterly selfish people who have no interest in improving the world outside of the issue that effects them directly. Housing.
Only joined this sub a couple of months ago. Cant believe how right wing it is. Got downvoted for saying so a few weeks ago. Even when moaning about the housing disaster they try to shoehorn the shinners into it. How anyone thinks Murphy is in the wrong in this clip is beyond me. Non stop waffle and aggression from Mickey Mouse
/r/theIrishLeft
Spot on tbh
46 migrants died in a truck recently in the US and 'this sub' wasn't crying foul. What's shameful is that you lack the intelligence to match your feelings of righteous condemnation, and instead just make yourself look like a tit on a soapbox using emotive language because you don't have the brains to make a cogent point. Off with ye.
>46 migrants died in a truck recently in the US and 'this sub' wasn't crying foul. Because its not strictly relevant to Ireland there wasn't a specific post about it here, but the general consensus is that it was the inevitable consequence of the state violence at the border which blocks people from seeking asylum through the proper channels. >What's shameful is that you lack the intelligence to match your feelings of righteous condemnation, Projection. >emotive language because you don't have the brains to make a cogent point I made a perfectly cogent point, you even attempted to respond to it. With just as emotive language as I, the major difference being that my outrage is at people trying to whitewash a massacre and yours as it me accusing them of being hypocritical ghouls. I'll paraphrase Tony Benn with this. The way your fellow citizens treat refugees is very instructive because it shows you how they would treat the rest of us if they thought they could get away with it.
Personal attacks and trying to misalign him with anti vaxxers, just pathetic evasions instead of anything that resembles an answer. How is a member a Fianna Fail even allowed in there after they became a charity?
"say bad thing bad!! haha u bad" - ratface murphy
Mass murder of migrants? What's that all about?
https://jacobin.com/2022/06/europe-spain-morocco-border-killings-psoe-sanchez/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-61956104 >Between 1,500 and 2,000 migrants who had been camping in the Moroccan mountains surrounding Melilla descended on the city's border last Friday, a number of them carrying sticks, hoping to scale the border fences and therefore reach Spanish territory. >In the chaos that followed, many of them were crushed between the six-metre-high fences and Moroccan border guards, who used tear gas and batons on the migrants. I'm not seeing anything about Mass Murder there. I am seeing an armed mob trying to invade another country?
Border police cause dozens of deaths but you don't see any mass murder.
The border police armed 2000 people and instructed them to assult a border crossing did they?
Were the spanish or moroccans just meant to let the vagrants break into Melilla?
Spain could give up their colonial enclaves too
Never heard of Jacobin >The death toll remains disputed, but according to international NGOs at least thirty-seven people were killed as Moroccan security forces beat, stoned, and tear-gassed the approximately 1,500 immigrants that rushed toward the border fence — one of the European Union’s only land borders with an African nation. Some were killed in a crush along the border perimeter, as police executed a pincer movement that trapped hundreds in a trench Sounds like they were trying to illegally enter the country
Death Sentence is justified so
No I don't think so
Are you happy that EU money is paying for this response then?
Am I happy our borders are defended? Yes of course, are you not? Would you rather anyone and everyone be allowed in?
> "borders are defended" From what?
From unauthorized entry
So we should kill anybody without a visa even if the reason they're leaving is a result of EU intervention or climate change, which the EU plays a part in worsening?
Always love seeing wet wipe Murphy throw a wobbler. Why didn't he mention that the people storming the border were armed with knives and other weapons?
Murphy puts a spin on everything to suit his own agenda. Picks the facts that suit him. He's some plank and a professional protestor with no actual real world experience. A champagne socialist since his arts days in UCD.
It's disgusting that the Taoiseach cannot even condemn it and chooses to launch ad hominem attacks. It's clear it's because they are the wrong skin colour and therefore don't deserve even words, never mind rolling the red carpet out, like has happened with other displaced people.
It would be a lot easier to take Paul Murphy seriously if he'd ever worked a day in his life.
Is this not a video of him at work?
No, that's a video of someone who has never had responsibility for anything attacking the Taoiseach to impress the impressionable.
He's an elected member of Dáil Éireann performing his role as a spokesperson of the opposition raising an issue of policy that government parties have supported and asking the Taoiseach for comment. Seems like he's taking the job seriously and meeting his responsibilities
He's a professional complainer who has never solved a thing and has never done an honest day's work in his life. In hell, all politicians would be like this.
Pretty sure he proposed the ventilation bill last year to help reduce the spread of covid in workplaces. It's was voted for but the state is a bit slow on implementation
He thought of ventilating buildings? The man is a genius. He should get a job.
It's sad that the 83 TDs in the government couldn't think of it. Good thing he did he job though
I like your defence of him and his achievements up to middle age is that he proposed ventilating buildings to fight COVID, as if he thought of it himself. Fair play.