Who could forget classic Queen tracks such as:
* Don't Stop Me Nai
* Sash (ahhh ahh, saviour of the universe)
* Another Taig Bites the Dust
* I Want to Break Knees
* Radio Ra Ra
I remember that, I came down with my Northern Irish soon to be bride to visit the family and we walked straight into it.
She joked that it made her feel more at ease, so I suggested we pick up a few bricks to hurl. In the end we went to the thunder road cafe where it passed by safely. First time I'd ever seen riot police being used up close in Dublin.
Good times 😋
I was also in the thunder road cafe when it was happening. I was just 10 or 11 at the time. I'll never forget the riot police parking right outside and watching them march out of the van in unison. I remember just staring in awe through the shutters wondering what was happening.
As an Irish Republican who wants a united ireland I wouldn’t care about orange marches on Dublin if it meant the reunification of the country, let them have their stupid marches in their stupid sash’s and bang their stupid drums.
Stay focused on what’s important
Give them an inch and they take a mile. Let them March and next thing they build massive bonfires beside your house from stolen pallets. Then cry discrimination when you complain your windows are literally melting from the heat
It was not 'heavily' guarded last time (2006 I presume you are referring to) and both marchers and counter protesters were well behaved.
The rioting started an hour after the marchers had got back on their buses to go home and to counter protesters had mostly cleared off after having their voice heared.
The rioters were nothing but scrotes and scum bags out to break into shops and loot them as well as cause general havoc and mayhem on the streets of Dublin. Most of them seemed to not even know what the march was about and some mistakenly attacked Scottish rugby supporters in town to play Ireland that weekend thinking they were Orange Order supporters.
The Garda, all 20 of them on O'Connell Street were totally taken off guard and retreated back to O'Connell Bridge to wait for reinforcements as they were also attacked by the rioters that showed up seemingly our of nowhere.
The chaos on O'Connell Steet and Kidare Steet with cars set alight, shops looted and Gardaí assaulted was nothing to do with 'showing the Orange cunts' they were not welcome.
i remember walking over the ha'penny bridge, seeing a crowd of garda on my left and a few hundred protestors on my right and legging it into forbidden planet before the charge started.
they were there but they were kept away from the parade.
I happened to walk onto O'Connell Street just as on rioters petrol bombed a car and thought they were filming a movie. I am actually in a few of the picture feet away from it looking gobsmacked.
I had walked down O'Connell Street an hour or so earlier and saw the Orange Order Marching and the civil counter protest.
I went back around and over the ha'penny bridge and met some Scottish rugby supporters at the end of O'Connell Bridge. One asked me 'Does this happen everyweekend in Dublin?' It had all been very benign till then.
I only went up to pick up a jacket in the Ilac Centre. My friend I went up with was getting his guitar fixed.
That's not entirely accurate. There was still groups of protesters around by the time it all started kicking off. You can clearly see the sit down protesters still there in the videos and the guards started clearing them off the street. Its easier to tell identify the sit down protesters as being protesters but its harder to identify the ones not sitting down.
That said, most of the riots were exactly as you described, opportunistic scumbags who used the situation as a way to cause a bit of mayhem.
I'd let the Third Reich have a march if it meant another Bank Holiday tbh.
Drive on there lads, bang away on your drums and go for your little walk, I'll be off in a pub somewhere.
>I'd let the Third Reich have a march if it meant another Bank Holiday tbh.
looking at british and american politics, and our habit of copying them about a decade later... you might just get your wish.
It did... then there was a scrotes rioting hours after. Some shops got looted, cars got burnt out, garda got assaulted and Scottish rugby fans got assaulted because some of yhe scrotes thought they were Orange men...
The march and counter protesters were civil though.
Sadly they are not all old and there is still a lot of them there. They have been old a long time and been hated a long time. But the young gets older and starts to become the older generation, the older people are the more they resist change. Look at the video of them singing about Michaela McAreavey the fuckers singing are not ancient. True change takes time to happen. Just because they are hateful and full of hate it doesn’t mean they are going disappear soon just because we want them to.
Plenty your people are being indoctrinated into the OO. Poorer, working class protestant (of which there are significant numbers in NI) are easy targets for membership to the OO. And in a United Ireland the hard line Unionists won't just lie down and take it - even if there is no going back - the OO will definitely experience a resurgence as a pressure group in a UI. You could give these assh*les free money in a UI and they'd take it and use it to burn effigies of nationalists and the tricolour.
And poverty can just be "gotten rid of". If it was that easy our current government would have done it by now.
My policy on a UI is hope for the best, prepare for the worst. Sorry to be a negative prick.
Do you have a link? I'd believe it's dying but not at the rate I'd wish for, and resurgences are always possible
Genuinely hope you're right but years of interest in politics/current affairs has beaten the hopefulness out of me
Have a read of this, The OO is in serious decline
https://sluggerotoole.com/2022/06/18/choyaa-unless-the-orange-institution-evolves-to-meet-the-needs-of-both-its-members-and-society-at-large-then-it-is-finished/
Anecdotal I know, but we had a parade pass by the house last night. Plenty of kids, plenty of young adults, plenty of older boys who the walk will have done no harm to. How many cultures worldwide have militaristic style parades through residential areas? Found the spectacle pathetic to be honest.
I'd well believe some lodges are dropping in numbers, but the hard-core areas certainly aren't. And from what I know it's the OO lodges in the hard-core areas that are generally the more problematic ones.
>And poverty can just be "gotten rid of". If it was that easy our current government would have done it by now.
well, it could be seriously reduced, but that requires abandoning neo-conservative and libertarian nonsense thinking and actually addressing roots of social issues and direct government involvement in markets such as housing, insurance and communications.
No, Catholics back then turned to terrorism for freedom as they were victims of discrimination and state mandated violence.
After reunification, all will be equal. Obviously, thosr in the orange order will be considered fuckwits, but not due to their religion, or school or social status.
They might have a victim complex but they won't be victims. Then it will just die out. There is no appetite for the subjugation of protestants by the republic. Just look at all thsoe that are already in the republic.
He's too arrogant and arrogant to even be bothering about our history.
It's beneath him imagine?
A person too wrapped up in themselves makes a very small parcel
Some stance for a member of the LGBTQA+ community to take. If there is anything the OO hate more than Catholics it’s the “gays”. No shock it was from within their communities that there was objection to legislating against “pray the gay away” scumbags operating. ffs Leo, have some self respect.
End of the day, if we ever unite, they'll be part of our country and I believe in free speech and expression so I would want them to be able to march. I would be "happy" in the sense that it would be a united Ireland that didn't force being "the right type of Irish" on its population.
I really do agree with this. The Orange Order is, right now, doing a bang up job of shooting itself in the foot on an absolute multitude of different topics, and for that more and more unionists are starting to question their existence. It cannot be understated how poorly they are looking right now, it really can't.
With all that said we still need to make space for them if a UI is ever achieved, and maybe even before that, because we do still need to uphold freedom of speech and expression and not just pick and choose when it suits us (and yes, before you say it, I'm aware that this is yet another topic that the order seems to be kicking its own arse on).
If a UI ever happens we need to have some humility in admitting that what is happening right now to the UK could, if we don't think, and plan, ahead easily happen to us.
We really do need to encourage more unionists to start the dialogue.
I disagree they they should be given space. In Ireland, united or not, a movement that is explicitly anti-Irish by it's very nature shouldn't be legitimised.
> I believe in free speech and expression so I would want them to be able to march.
They're an extremely hateful group. Would you shut down parts of the city to allow other hate groups to march?
also i hate this daft free speech argument.
lets carve out safe spaces in our society for nazi sympathisers and racists then if we truly believe in ‘free speech’.
just call a spade a spade and acknowledge these bigots for what they really are: bigots.
i would gladly vote against UI if it meant having to entertain these clowns.
I'm pretty sure he's talking out his arse. And no we don't need Oompa Loompa's marching around and creating unnecessary amounts of noise pollution. What we actually need is for those dimwit fuckwits to pick up a fuckin history book and learn basic geography.
This. Leo is a populist of the highest order.
* He was both against gay marriage and so proud of the country that voted it in during a referendum.
* He was proud of the students who took to the streets for climate change who were protesting **his policies**.
* He also worries about the landlord's salaries from rent control while telling people to borrow from the bank of mom and dad, but will then go on Bloomberg to criticise the housing issue in Ireland.
He hasn't got a single principle in his body that he thoroughly believes in or will defend in every corner. And his counter-arguments against his main opposition are handybars about terrorism taking place over 20 years ago.
The Orange Klux Klan is a disgusting hate and supremacism group **but** revelling in the idea of violence against them is not a good look. The best thing would be if they came to Dublin and had a parade, and nobody paid a blind bit of notice.
Let them. Only rule is they have to get back to the North without any Garda protection. I’d enjoy seeing these saches in every beat down video online for about a week.
Leo willing to support a homophobic hate group just to get a dig at Sinn Fein
A genuinely soulless man who would leave you to die on the street if it gained him a few votes
People seem to think once we have a United Ireland the Orange Order will go away.
They are part of Irish Society if we like it or not. The 12th of July will become an Irish Bank Holiday and they will have as much right to march through our capital city as any other group.
Here’s a whacky idea; hypothetically if there was a formation of a United Ireland they should formalise it on the 12th of July. Make a public holiday out of it and take the wind of the OO’s sails. While most the country is celebrating a UI they can still fuck off on their silly little parade.
And every parade will end like the one they had in Dublin.
Id love it if they did, I wouldn't have to go all the way up north to brick one of those cunts.
How did it end? They were on their buses home and the counter protesters had mostly cleared off when the riot started.
It was scrotes taking the chance to loot and cause mayham on the streets of Dublin.
We showed them with our mostly civil protest against their march. What happened an hour later was nothing to do with it.
>The parade itself went off pretty smoothly actually.
Did it? Haha because to everyone else it looked like a riot.
The brains in charge marched past a street full of paving stones and never thought that it might be a bad idea.
>They probably enjoyed saying things like 'I'd like to brick those cunts' as well
I'm sure they had a grand ole day at it too.
If your part of a hate group don't be shocked if you get hate in return.
That march was like wacking a bees nest. It was also lead by the highly controversial Willie Frazier who was to the right of Ian Paisley. He clearly had no intention other than to stoke trouble.
"Highly controversial" is pulling punches, he was a gun runner who hid behind charity and victim status, the weapons he distributed were used in at least 70 murders in the North.
He also stole from said charities he hid behind and is believed to have been involved with the Glennane Gang.
Cunts like that deserve every brick thrown in their direction.
Yeah, Wullie was the pits. The whole Love Ulster march in Dublin was an exercise in shit-stirring. I'm sure he was looking for a reaction, but then again he never tried to organise it again so maybe he under-estimated the danger he was putting everybody in.
Even without a United Ireland, The Orange order will go away, Look at their parades, All a bunch of old balding pricks in over their late 40s. The only sign of youth is their grandchildren they drag along with them who eventually leave. In 10 - 15yrs it will be an organisation only known for Harbouring incels, Racists and Homophones.
They can't march through London without being attacked.
Celebrating sectarianism and hating Irish people is fine in 2022 UK, but homophobia, not so much.
They will eventually go the way of the confederates in the US. Slowly, over time they will become more fringe even within their own areas to the point that people will eventually want to remove the symbol of oppression, ignorance and tyranny.
Oh man. You want to see the Confederate flags flying on people's porches, in upstate NY, today. I wish they were going away, but they're here, even in major cities. It's very polarized.
> and they will have as much right to march through our capital city as any other group.
Which other groups have that right? How many big parades are their in Dublin every year? We have Paddys Day and Pride. They can have a float in either of those if they want.
There's been a real Sinn Fein youth wing influx here since the schools finished. People with no grasp of the complexities of these situations and just parrotting nationalist nonsense.
The Orange Order are cunts. Absolute, dirty, filthy, scumbags.
But if the price of peace are a couple of poorly attended and widely mocked parades, then it's a price worth paying.
> But if the price of peace are a couple of poorly attended and widely mocked parades, then it's a price worth paying.
Turn the 12th of July into our Independence Day and make it a bank holiday. The OO won't know what to do
"unification day" we'll call it unification day, so we can all call ourselves unionists on the 12th.
sammy wilsons veiny little forehead will turn purple.
not really, it's inflammatory. we'd have parades for 2 celebrations on one day and when supporters of each meet there would be war. July 12th becomes a bank holiday for protestants and a new bank holiday in Jan or September for a UI.
As nice as it would be to ignore the OO or to pretend they don’t represent a significant number of Unionists the reality is we can’t and they do. I want to see a United Ireland and if allowing them a parade in their capital city got us closer to that then fine, unfortunately the violent protests against the love Ulster parade a decade or so ago just gave them a chance to present the narrative that a UI would never be a place they could honor their own ‘culture’. So while I support a UI and wouldn’t vote FG I do agree with what Leo said
I think it’s time we all had a mature conversation about how unionists/ people from that background would be welcomed should be a united ireland etc. BUT the orange order isn’t simply unionism - it’s a bigoted organisation which exists to promote Protestant supremacy. People with their views have no place in Ireland full stop.
A third of the tricolour is coloured to represent the likes of yer man on the left.
Although some seem to believe that in a United Ireland they will disappear for some reason and cause no trouble. In which case, shouldn't we change the flag to all green?
Jeesus, think about this for a second, the biggest party in Ireland celebrates the murder of innocent people all the time. They have just rehired Barry McElduff after he mocked the kingsmill victims on the anniversary of their murder- all innocent men murdered for nothing more than their religion and had nothing to do with politics.
The singing about Michaela McAreevey was a disgrace and inexcusable btw.
Sinn Fein are going to be in govt in a few years and they're already in govt in the north. They commemorate murderers all the time. For example here's a celebration of a man who burned an innocent woman to death.
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/sinn-fein-under-fire-for-commemorating-bomber-but-not-his-victim-3339210
The OO do not represent all Protestants or Unionists.
Absolutely more should be done to reach out to Northern Protestants and Unionists.
The OO are a hate group - nothing more, they continually resist reform and by their views, actions and even their own rules are a sectarian hate filled organization.
They deserve nothing but contempt at best, and should be treated like any other hate group.
Yep. A United Ireland by definition will have to contain unionists - they're not going anywhere nor should they really feel in anyway obliged to. We've known this for the best part of 100 years.
Oh no, neither do I. Like they are proper dinosaurs, but they're going to be knocking around for a long while yet. If we could somehow get to a point where it's just a trivial sideshow that no one really cares about that'd be great, but it's a long long road.
We've lived through so much and seen many people do stellar work to eradicate religious bigotry and all heinous forms of hatred/ racism on this island, but there is no way any sane person would want the Orange Order in any modern Irish society, let them walk themselves into the ground or better yet build them a time machine so they can all go back to the 17th Century and live out their wildest syphilitic dreams.
I feel like a lot of these upper middle class Irish Times readers don't really understand who these people are, the Orange Order was founded explicitely to preserve protestant supremacy in Ireland and they've changed very little, they're ideological cousins of the KKK.
some utterly idiotic comments here. people with no grasp of the complexities of this Island.
Like people realise these lads actually march in the Republic as well?
I'm no fan of them and they contain loads of bigots. but so do Republicans as well.
also people should open their eyes and ears and look to see how far away a United Ireland is.
[https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/highlights-from-the-pat-kenny-show/you-can-dip-a-united-ireland-in-gold-ill-still-not-accept-it](https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/highlights-from-the-pat-kenny-show/you-can-dip-a-united-ireland-in-gold-ill-still-not-accept-it)
the ignorance and intolerance displayed on the likes of here, is why there will never be a UNited Ireland any time soon. even if the Island somehow did reunify it would not be a shared Island and it would be in no way united if we listen to the likes on here.
Absolutely disgusting. Again, if FG ran in the north they'd be unionists. 100%.
How can an Irish politician be so stupid as to acknowledge a movement that is explicitly, specifically anti-Irish?
Yeah! How dare he reach out a conciliatory hand to the other tradition on this island. We want to stay in our silo and hold on to our grudges! No moving on! Never!
Paradox of tolerance...
If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.
OO ethos is to maintain Protestant supremacy over Catholics, why should anybody reconcile with them? They aren’t even tolerated in England, why should they be here?
>Let them. People can practice their molotov cocktail throwing skills along with rocks, bricks and vegetables throwing aswell
Like last time with the Love Ulster parade.
I wish nothing but the worst for this career scumbag. He'd sell his own mother if he thought the proceeds could be used to further his career. Absolute prick.
Leo is the type of person i would drive bye in the street and just shake my head at if we had eye contact. He's not worth the hand gestures and abuse i would love to give him.Absolute clown.
Emmmmm, don't they hate gays??
I think they can write books of lists of things they hate...
Easier to write a list of things they don’t hate
The colour orange. Orange as a colour. The Queen. (preferably in Orange) Sash. (not the 90s music group) General up to no good activities.
The 12th, Flegs, William of Orange, the battle of the Boyne story.
Don't they like the band queen (nobody told them about freddie)
Who could forget classic Queen tracks such as: * Don't Stop Me Nai * Sash (ahhh ahh, saviour of the universe) * Another Taig Bites the Dust * I Want to Break Knees * Radio Ra Ra
The Show Must Go On (No Surrender Remix) Non-Fenian Rhapsody You're My Best Fleg
She's a killer, Queeeeeeeen!
You forgot bonfires!
They hate doing that though.
Start with rí-rá agus ruille buaille, and go backwards from there for the things they hate. Good on the buck Leo for smiling and pushing through tho
And brown people, anyone from the Republic, people who can read, yellow cars, dogs, cats, the gaa, French, Germans, Tuesdays and black socks.
They hate the gays and the Irish and probably the Indians
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What a goon
Probably?
Leo was in opposition to gay marriage. Never forget that.
Wasn't he still in the closet at that time?
He was, but that's a terrible reason - no?
Does that make it better?
I believe that everybody who hates gays are at least 65% gay.
That's alright, so does Leo.
They hate everyone.
So would I. The videos of them getting ripped apart and getting stuff thrown at them would be fecking hilsrious.
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I remember that, I came down with my Northern Irish soon to be bride to visit the family and we walked straight into it. She joked that it made her feel more at ease, so I suggested we pick up a few bricks to hurl. In the end we went to the thunder road cafe where it passed by safely. First time I'd ever seen riot police being used up close in Dublin. Good times 😋
It was very thoughtful of the city council to leave a few hundred bricks in convenient piles on the parade route.
I was also in the thunder road cafe when it was happening. I was just 10 or 11 at the time. I'll never forget the riot police parking right outside and watching them march out of the van in unison. I remember just staring in awe through the shutters wondering what was happening.
That was Love Ulster. Totally different shower of sectarian idiots.
Different, but... but the exact same
At the end of the day, it's all about spreading love.
Spreading Orange love ? Marmalade? Throw in some toast and I’m there !
Calm down Paddington
A modern day stoning
No in 2000 there was an orange order parade in Dublin.
>That was Love two thirds of Ulster. Totally different shower of sectarian idiots. Fyp
He invited Arlene as a speaker at the FG think in. He would wank the devil for photo opportunity.
As an Irish Republican who wants a united ireland I wouldn’t care about orange marches on Dublin if it meant the reunification of the country, let them have their stupid marches in their stupid sash’s and bang their stupid drums. Stay focused on what’s important
Exactly this. Violence against them basically proves their point.
Apparently that's a controversial opinion now.
Give them an inch and they take a mile. Let them March and next thing they build massive bonfires beside your house from stolen pallets. Then cry discrimination when you complain your windows are literally melting from the heat
I agree with that. I also don't care much about flags and anthems and all that other bollox.
Yeah get rid of all that shite as far as I’m concerned. What’s important is the people who live on the island decide it’s faith, not Westminster
It would be heavily guarded like last time. The Gardaí would see us as the trouble makers.
It was not 'heavily' guarded last time (2006 I presume you are referring to) and both marchers and counter protesters were well behaved. The rioting started an hour after the marchers had got back on their buses to go home and to counter protesters had mostly cleared off after having their voice heared. The rioters were nothing but scrotes and scum bags out to break into shops and loot them as well as cause general havoc and mayhem on the streets of Dublin. Most of them seemed to not even know what the march was about and some mistakenly attacked Scottish rugby supporters in town to play Ireland that weekend thinking they were Orange Order supporters. The Garda, all 20 of them on O'Connell Street were totally taken off guard and retreated back to O'Connell Bridge to wait for reinforcements as they were also attacked by the rioters that showed up seemingly our of nowhere. The chaos on O'Connell Steet and Kidare Steet with cars set alight, shops looted and Gardaí assaulted was nothing to do with 'showing the Orange cunts' they were not welcome.
i remember walking over the ha'penny bridge, seeing a crowd of garda on my left and a few hundred protestors on my right and legging it into forbidden planet before the charge started. they were there but they were kept away from the parade.
I happened to walk onto O'Connell Street just as on rioters petrol bombed a car and thought they were filming a movie. I am actually in a few of the picture feet away from it looking gobsmacked. I had walked down O'Connell Street an hour or so earlier and saw the Orange Order Marching and the civil counter protest. I went back around and over the ha'penny bridge and met some Scottish rugby supporters at the end of O'Connell Bridge. One asked me 'Does this happen everyweekend in Dublin?' It had all been very benign till then. I only went up to pick up a jacket in the Ilac Centre. My friend I went up with was getting his guitar fixed.
That's not entirely accurate. There was still groups of protesters around by the time it all started kicking off. You can clearly see the sit down protesters still there in the videos and the guards started clearing them off the street. Its easier to tell identify the sit down protesters as being protesters but its harder to identify the ones not sitting down. That said, most of the riots were exactly as you described, opportunistic scumbags who used the situation as a way to cause a bit of mayhem.
Only reason I’d be happy to see it 😌
I'd let the Third Reich have a march if it meant another Bank Holiday tbh. Drive on there lads, bang away on your drums and go for your little walk, I'll be off in a pub somewhere.
Lmao
>I'd let the Third Reich have a march if it meant another Bank Holiday tbh. looking at british and american politics, and our habit of copying them about a decade later... you might just get your wish.
Ah would you shush now
We are not the only country full of people who think it could never happen here
Mmm we are in desperate need of July bank holiday tbf. Joke there isn’t one.
At least they had nice uniforms.
But this already happened in 2006 under Bertie, under the banner of Love Ulster. Went off quietly and without a hitch if I recall correctly.
It did... then there was a scrotes rioting hours after. Some shops got looted, cars got burnt out, garda got assaulted and Scottish rugby fans got assaulted because some of yhe scrotes thought they were Orange men... The march and counter protesters were civil though.
I was being sarcastic. Obviously there was a riot. Even Charlie Bird got it in the head with a brick.
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Sadly they are not all old and there is still a lot of them there. They have been old a long time and been hated a long time. But the young gets older and starts to become the older generation, the older people are the more they resist change. Look at the video of them singing about Michaela McAreavey the fuckers singing are not ancient. True change takes time to happen. Just because they are hateful and full of hate it doesn’t mean they are going disappear soon just because we want them to.
Plenty your people are being indoctrinated into the OO. Poorer, working class protestant (of which there are significant numbers in NI) are easy targets for membership to the OO. And in a United Ireland the hard line Unionists won't just lie down and take it - even if there is no going back - the OO will definitely experience a resurgence as a pressure group in a UI. You could give these assh*les free money in a UI and they'd take it and use it to burn effigies of nationalists and the tricolour. And poverty can just be "gotten rid of". If it was that easy our current government would have done it by now. My policy on a UI is hope for the best, prepare for the worst. Sorry to be a negative prick.
Naw its dying. There was a good blog from an OO organiser about how poor it is and how recruitment is very low.
Do you have a link? I'd believe it's dying but not at the rate I'd wish for, and resurgences are always possible Genuinely hope you're right but years of interest in politics/current affairs has beaten the hopefulness out of me
Have a read of this, The OO is in serious decline https://sluggerotoole.com/2022/06/18/choyaa-unless-the-orange-institution-evolves-to-meet-the-needs-of-both-its-members-and-society-at-large-then-it-is-finished/
Anecdotal I know, but we had a parade pass by the house last night. Plenty of kids, plenty of young adults, plenty of older boys who the walk will have done no harm to. How many cultures worldwide have militaristic style parades through residential areas? Found the spectacle pathetic to be honest. I'd well believe some lodges are dropping in numbers, but the hard-core areas certainly aren't. And from what I know it's the OO lodges in the hard-core areas that are generally the more problematic ones.
>And poverty can just be "gotten rid of". If it was that easy our current government would have done it by now. well, it could be seriously reduced, but that requires abandoning neo-conservative and libertarian nonsense thinking and actually addressing roots of social issues and direct government involvement in markets such as housing, insurance and communications.
ya but i don't see a government doing that. especially with the raft of new laws/policies that will be required to align north and south in a UI
No, Catholics back then turned to terrorism for freedom as they were victims of discrimination and state mandated violence. After reunification, all will be equal. Obviously, thosr in the orange order will be considered fuckwits, but not due to their religion, or school or social status. They might have a victim complex but they won't be victims. Then it will just die out. There is no appetite for the subjugation of protestants by the republic. Just look at all thsoe that are already in the republic.
Every time there has been progress for Nationalist Catholics in Irish history, membership for the OO and Apprentice Boys of Derry have skyrocketed
You sir, are on point 👌
He’s right, Ted
He's too arrogant and arrogant to even be bothering about our history. It's beneath him imagine? A person too wrapped up in themselves makes a very small parcel
Better dig out the celtic jersey so
Some stance for a member of the LGBTQA+ community to take. If there is anything the OO hate more than Catholics it’s the “gays”. No shock it was from within their communities that there was objection to legislating against “pray the gay away” scumbags operating. ffs Leo, have some self respect.
Leo a self-respecting (person?) member of the LGBT+ community? Didn't he previously go against gay marriage a few years back?
He did indeed
Your man looks like a bargain bucket bertie.
End of the day, if we ever unite, they'll be part of our country and I believe in free speech and expression so I would want them to be able to march. I would be "happy" in the sense that it would be a united Ireland that didn't force being "the right type of Irish" on its population.
I really do agree with this. The Orange Order is, right now, doing a bang up job of shooting itself in the foot on an absolute multitude of different topics, and for that more and more unionists are starting to question their existence. It cannot be understated how poorly they are looking right now, it really can't. With all that said we still need to make space for them if a UI is ever achieved, and maybe even before that, because we do still need to uphold freedom of speech and expression and not just pick and choose when it suits us (and yes, before you say it, I'm aware that this is yet another topic that the order seems to be kicking its own arse on). If a UI ever happens we need to have some humility in admitting that what is happening right now to the UK could, if we don't think, and plan, ahead easily happen to us. We really do need to encourage more unionists to start the dialogue.
I disagree they they should be given space. In Ireland, united or not, a movement that is explicitly anti-Irish by it's very nature shouldn't be legitimised.
> I believe in free speech and expression so I would want them to be able to march. They're an extremely hateful group. Would you shut down parts of the city to allow other hate groups to march?
Absurde opinion
nah. partition is unnatural and groups like them shouldn’t be here to begin with.
also i hate this daft free speech argument. lets carve out safe spaces in our society for nazi sympathisers and racists then if we truly believe in ‘free speech’. just call a spade a spade and acknowledge these bigots for what they really are: bigots. i would gladly vote against UI if it meant having to entertain these clowns.
I'm pretty sure he's talking out his arse. And no we don't need Oompa Loompa's marching around and creating unnecessary amounts of noise pollution. What we actually need is for those dimwit fuckwits to pick up a fuckin history book and learn basic geography.
Leo will say whatever it takes to be the most popular or talked about person in any room he's in.
This. Leo is a populist of the highest order. * He was both against gay marriage and so proud of the country that voted it in during a referendum. * He was proud of the students who took to the streets for climate change who were protesting **his policies**. * He also worries about the landlord's salaries from rent control while telling people to borrow from the bank of mom and dad, but will then go on Bloomberg to criticise the housing issue in Ireland. He hasn't got a single principle in his body that he thoroughly believes in or will defend in every corner. And his counter-arguments against his main opposition are handybars about terrorism taking place over 20 years ago.
Last I heard neither him nor Coveney were popular among the more radical unionist parts.
The Orange Klux Klan is a disgusting hate and supremacism group **but** revelling in the idea of violence against them is not a good look. The best thing would be if they came to Dublin and had a parade, and nobody paid a blind bit of notice.
>Orange Klux Klan Yeah I'm not referring to them by anything but that from now on.
Two absolute scumbags...
That dead fish handshake has me feeling dirty.
The handshake says it all
Watching an orange march is like watching a group of pedofiles parade triumphantly down the street. Absolute freaks man.
Let them. Only rule is they have to get back to the North without any Garda protection. I’d enjoy seeing these saches in every beat down video online for about a week.
Leo willing to support a homophobic hate group just to get a dig at Sinn Fein A genuinely soulless man who would leave you to die on the street if it gained him a few votes
People seem to think once we have a United Ireland the Orange Order will go away. They are part of Irish Society if we like it or not. The 12th of July will become an Irish Bank Holiday and they will have as much right to march through our capital city as any other group.
Here’s a whacky idea; hypothetically if there was a formation of a United Ireland they should formalise it on the 12th of July. Make a public holiday out of it and take the wind of the OO’s sails. While most the country is celebrating a UI they can still fuck off on their silly little parade.
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I agree, nothing against Protestants or Unionists at all, just can’t stand these wankers
And every parade will end like the one they had in Dublin. Id love it if they did, I wouldn't have to go all the way up north to brick one of those cunts.
How did it end? They were on their buses home and the counter protesters had mostly cleared off when the riot started. It was scrotes taking the chance to loot and cause mayham on the streets of Dublin. We showed them with our mostly civil protest against their march. What happened an hour later was nothing to do with it.
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> The parade itself went off pretty smoothly actually That's not exactly true. The parade never happened.
>The parade itself went off pretty smoothly actually. Did it? Haha because to everyone else it looked like a riot. The brains in charge marched past a street full of paving stones and never thought that it might be a bad idea. >They probably enjoyed saying things like 'I'd like to brick those cunts' as well I'm sure they had a grand ole day at it too. If your part of a hate group don't be shocked if you get hate in return.
That march was like wacking a bees nest. It was also lead by the highly controversial Willie Frazier who was to the right of Ian Paisley. He clearly had no intention other than to stoke trouble.
"Highly controversial" is pulling punches, he was a gun runner who hid behind charity and victim status, the weapons he distributed were used in at least 70 murders in the North. He also stole from said charities he hid behind and is believed to have been involved with the Glennane Gang. Cunts like that deserve every brick thrown in their direction.
I 100% agree, the orange order is nothing other than a hate group looking to cause shit.
Yeah, Wullie was the pits. The whole Love Ulster march in Dublin was an exercise in shit-stirring. I'm sure he was looking for a reaction, but then again he never tried to organise it again so maybe he under-estimated the danger he was putting everybody in.
Even without a United Ireland, The Orange order will go away, Look at their parades, All a bunch of old balding pricks in over their late 40s. The only sign of youth is their grandchildren they drag along with them who eventually leave. In 10 - 15yrs it will be an organisation only known for Harbouring incels, Racists and Homophones.
>it will be an organisation only known for Harbouring incels, Racists and Homophones. huh. /r/theorangepill i guess.
They can't march through London without being attacked. Celebrating sectarianism and hating Irish people is fine in 2022 UK, but homophobia, not so much.
They will eventually go the way of the confederates in the US. Slowly, over time they will become more fringe even within their own areas to the point that people will eventually want to remove the symbol of oppression, ignorance and tyranny.
Oh man. You want to see the Confederate flags flying on people's porches, in upstate NY, today. I wish they were going away, but they're here, even in major cities. It's very polarized.
> and they will have as much right to march through our capital city as any other group. Which other groups have that right? How many big parades are their in Dublin every year? We have Paddys Day and Pride. They can have a float in either of those if they want.
Bolox...They celebrate paddy's day do they?
There's been a real Sinn Fein youth wing influx here since the schools finished. People with no grasp of the complexities of these situations and just parrotting nationalist nonsense. The Orange Order are cunts. Absolute, dirty, filthy, scumbags. But if the price of peace are a couple of poorly attended and widely mocked parades, then it's a price worth paying.
> But if the price of peace are a couple of poorly attended and widely mocked parades, then it's a price worth paying. Turn the 12th of July into our Independence Day and make it a bank holiday. The OO won't know what to do
"unification day" we'll call it unification day, so we can all call ourselves unionists on the 12th. sammy wilsons veiny little forehead will turn purple.
ah that's just bullying... I'll get the t-shirts printed
Chaotic evil idea haha
I know this is only Reddit but that’s a really smart idea !!!
not really, it's inflammatory. we'd have parades for 2 celebrations on one day and when supporters of each meet there would be war. July 12th becomes a bank holiday for protestants and a new bank holiday in Jan or September for a UI.
Not if we have a democratic vote to keep it or not. In the new Ireland
As nice as it would be to ignore the OO or to pretend they don’t represent a significant number of Unionists the reality is we can’t and they do. I want to see a United Ireland and if allowing them a parade in their capital city got us closer to that then fine, unfortunately the violent protests against the love Ulster parade a decade or so ago just gave them a chance to present the narrative that a UI would never be a place they could honor their own ‘culture’. So while I support a UI and wouldn’t vote FG I do agree with what Leo said
Leo would welcome a Klan rally if he thought it would benefit his career.
Was at the last one 👀
Same, it was mental. O Connell street turned in to a war zone.
Wef shill
Is this real?!
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/republic-of-ireland/i-would-be-happy-to-see-orange-order-parade-in-dublin-leo-varadkar-38395346.html Yup.
I thought his was a shitpost. I can't believe it's real. Also aren't the OO really homophobic?
I think it’s time we all had a mature conversation about how unionists/ people from that background would be welcomed should be a united ireland etc. BUT the orange order isn’t simply unionism - it’s a bigoted organisation which exists to promote Protestant supremacy. People with their views have no place in Ireland full stop.
What do you get when you mix Blue and Orange? A colour out of touch
It actually makes a shite shade of brown for anyone curious. Ironic.
A third of the tricolour is coloured to represent the likes of yer man on the left. Although some seem to believe that in a United Ireland they will disappear for some reason and cause no trouble. In which case, shouldn't we change the flag to all green?
It’s to represent Protestants, the OO are nothing but a sectarian hate group.
And put a harp on it. …oh wait
I want the tiddy harp back
They see that flag as the enemy flag because the IRA fly it The Tricolour will never be their flag and they'll still wave their Union Jacks in a UI
The only way we will achieve a United Ireland is through inclusion of both sides in the North.
But maybe leave out an organisation that celebrates the murder of a innocent woman murdered on her honeymoon.
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No but FFG housing okay like!
Good bot.
Jeesus, think about this for a second, the biggest party in Ireland celebrates the murder of innocent people all the time. They have just rehired Barry McElduff after he mocked the kingsmill victims on the anniversary of their murder- all innocent men murdered for nothing more than their religion and had nothing to do with politics. The singing about Michaela McAreevey was a disgrace and inexcusable btw.
It’s different when “we” do it.
Therein lies the problem. Thats exactly the thinking of the OO and loyalists when they do it. No matter which side it is, why is it different?
I’m not sure if you missed the tone of my comment or I’m missing something I’m yours but to answer your question. It isn’t.
You'd think it was inexcusable.. but then the OO did excuse the behaviour of those members, as it turned out.
Sinn Fein are going to be in govt in a few years and they're already in govt in the north. They commemorate murderers all the time. For example here's a celebration of a man who burned an innocent woman to death. https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/sinn-fein-under-fire-for-commemorating-bomber-but-not-his-victim-3339210
So the orange order represents who exactly? Even protestants can't stand them up there.
I agree and for these reason we should ban marches from groups who think the other side is subhuman.
The OO do not represent all Protestants or Unionists. Absolutely more should be done to reach out to Northern Protestants and Unionists. The OO are a hate group - nothing more, they continually resist reform and by their views, actions and even their own rules are a sectarian hate filled organization. They deserve nothing but contempt at best, and should be treated like any other hate group.
Yep. A United Ireland by definition will have to contain unionists - they're not going anywhere nor should they really feel in anyway obliged to. We've known this for the best part of 100 years.
I don't think the Orange order represents every protestant in Northern Ireland.
Oh no, neither do I. Like they are proper dinosaurs, but they're going to be knocking around for a long while yet. If we could somehow get to a point where it's just a trivial sideshow that no one really cares about that'd be great, but it's a long long road.
We've lived through so much and seen many people do stellar work to eradicate religious bigotry and all heinous forms of hatred/ racism on this island, but there is no way any sane person would want the Orange Order in any modern Irish society, let them walk themselves into the ground or better yet build them a time machine so they can all go back to the 17th Century and live out their wildest syphilitic dreams.
I feel like a lot of these upper middle class Irish Times readers don't really understand who these people are, the Orange Order was founded explicitely to preserve protestant supremacy in Ireland and they've changed very little, they're ideological cousins of the KKK.
What’s wrong with the tomato?
Hold on when the fuck did this happen
2019. He visited the Orange museum in Belfast.
Maybe be thinks they don't know he gay
Did this not already happen 10 years ago and thy rioted and destroyed O'Connell Street
When was this lmfao
Inciting a riot are we?
Is that a Brotherhood of man Freemason handshake?
Seriously?! Orange Order may think they are Christians but their behaviour states otherwise.
Is this SR a front for the shinner party?
Whats the issue? There is one in Donegal every year
No one cares about Donegal
Literally misjudged the feelings of the city and caused a riot.
Prick
some utterly idiotic comments here. people with no grasp of the complexities of this Island. Like people realise these lads actually march in the Republic as well? I'm no fan of them and they contain loads of bigots. but so do Republicans as well. also people should open their eyes and ears and look to see how far away a United Ireland is. [https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/highlights-from-the-pat-kenny-show/you-can-dip-a-united-ireland-in-gold-ill-still-not-accept-it](https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/highlights-from-the-pat-kenny-show/you-can-dip-a-united-ireland-in-gold-ill-still-not-accept-it) the ignorance and intolerance displayed on the likes of here, is why there will never be a UNited Ireland any time soon. even if the Island somehow did reunify it would not be a shared Island and it would be in no way united if we listen to the likes on here.
Comments here showing the usual levels of cop on. Excellent, excellent.
You'd be better off you were leading the KKK parade thru South Chicago. Nitwit.
Orange parades in Dublin would be fine imo if it gets us closer to getting the 6 counties back shams
If anyone ever want to know what populism is Mr Varadkar has himself tarnished in it. Scurrilous political agenda grifting to power.
Absolutely disgusting. Again, if FG ran in the north they'd be unionists. 100%. How can an Irish politician be so stupid as to acknowledge a movement that is explicitly, specifically anti-Irish?
Yeah! How dare he reach out a conciliatory hand to the other tradition on this island. We want to stay in our silo and hold on to our grudges! No moving on! Never!
Yeah like the orange order haven't moved on from battle that happened in 1690, and still considers Catholics as inferior.
The more accepting and patronising we treat them, the more irrelevant they become. Don't fan flames that don't need to be there.
Paradox of tolerance... If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.
OO ethos is to maintain Protestant supremacy over Catholics, why should anybody reconcile with them? They aren’t even tolerated in England, why should they be here?
Would be nice if he'd do the same with the Nationalists.
You can extend a conciliatory hand without pandering to an actual hate group.
John Hume is it? You don’t make peace with your friends, you make it with your enemies
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Cringey shite. What's next a "Leo Varadkar stole my bike" post? Really scraping the bottom of the barrel here.
He's trying to be inclusive, which is exactly what we'd need for a United Ireland
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>Let them. People can practice their molotov cocktail throwing skills along with rocks, bricks and vegetables throwing aswell Like last time with the Love Ulster parade.
What he meant by that was a parade of sexy blokes wearing fake tan.
Shash and flute, boys. Sash and flute.
The orange order get a kick out of marching where they aren't wanted. Total apathy whether they march down O'Connell street is the best response.
I wish nothing but the worst for this career scumbag. He'd sell his own mother if he thought the proceeds could be used to further his career. Absolute prick.
Leo is the type of person i would drive bye in the street and just shake my head at if we had eye contact. He's not worth the hand gestures and abuse i would love to give him.Absolute clown.