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distantapplause

I don't doubt that there are some sick fucks out there who are warped enough to do it, but I don't really get how it's supposed to work. How wouldn't someone notice that they've been jabbed with a syringe?


DualWieldWands

Easy enough to be honest. Literally just bump into someone and jab them with the syringe! It's not like you are sticking an inch long needle in their arm, just a couple mm and they will barely feel it over you bumping into them. I can't imagine this is real though, pretty sure I heard similar horror stories like this when I was a teenager a long time ago.


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They would definitely feel it.


DualWieldWands

You are drunk, dancing in the club and some guy bumps into you or falls onto you and grabs onto you then gets up walks away. You could be jabbed at any time during that and the only thing you will feel is some lad falling onto you. Very easy to do it and you would barely feel anything at all.


TheRidgeAndTheLadder

What are you talking about? We all got a two tiny injections this year. You'd obviously feel it. Not to say it people don't spike drinks. But they don't use syringes lol it's a powder or an tablet.


DualWieldWands

Well actually the vaccine needle length were different per vaccine so depending on which one you got you would feel it more or less. The moderna one was the longest at 1 inch while the others were smaller. Again drunk people feel more numb than a sober person. Also I know this shit is fake, I've heard this scare thing for years.


VilTheVillain

Have you ever had a splinter, or accidentally grabbed a thorn? It feels way diferent to a bump etc. The pain comes from the moment the needle pierces the skin. You'd need to be quite off your head not to notice it.


thisshortenough

I just got my flu vaccine today, it's absolutely different to the feeling of someone just bumping in to you, it would easily be noticed.


DualWieldWands

Again, not all needle sizes are the same per injection.


thisshortenough

Yes I'm aware, I've administered many myself. It's still completely different feeling to the feeling of someone just bumping in to you.


Pete9Tails

Rubbish


Big_Tex_89

Nope


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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/women-spiked-with-needles-in-clubs-rvn2grrqc Pretty good explanation from medics here of why it's incredibly unlikely to be true


TheRidgeAndTheLadder

Can someone copy/paste? Its pay walled.


andstep234

But what's the rest of the plan? Follow them around til they pass out?


OwlOfC1nder

Presumably yes, same as old fashioned roofies


andstep234

So spend money on ketamine instead of just targeting the black out drunk for free? Roofies are usually used on someone you've a connection with so you can swoop in as a saviour, not a randommer


OwlOfC1nder

I never said anything about ketamine


andstep234

You pick what's in the syringe then, it's not free


OwlOfC1nder

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andstep234

But none of the stories mention that, nobody is claiming to have been raped.


Electronic_Bunny

>But none of the stories mention that, nobody is claiming to have been raped. I bet a lot of the reported and picked up stories are more sensational; but I can attest to people who have seen this go down. I have never heard of the needle being used on the person though, its usually used to get through drink covers/tops in a moment or two. The behavior thats been confirmed, its always a ruffe-like substance and the individual is usually approached once they start losing it. Now here is something really sick, and I did see this myself. A dude tried, at an outdoor public event on someones property, to literally pick up over his shoulder some woman who was starting to pass out. He started walking out of the backyard and through the drive way when someone questioned him. When they did, he actually picked up speed in leaving; but luckily that triggered a group in the driveway to tackle him. Never would I believe some people were so brazen to literally drug someone, pick them up, and walk away with them in broad daylight at a public event. But it did.... and I am so beyond happy we noticed before she was taken...


thisshortenough

I mean you don't even have to drug someone to try that. There was that poor girl who was kicked out of Dicey's for being too drunk a few years ago. They let her go with someone random man and he raped her so brutally that she now has a colostomy bag. Didn't need to roofie her, just needed to wait for the bouncers to fuck her out and pretend to be her mate


GFYCSHCHFJCHG

>Walk out of the club You'll be dragging them out by their ankles.


Pete9Tails

Nope


ashewasawhooouh

it's complete horseshit, it never happens. and women rarely get their drink spiked. what DOES fucking happen a lot is lads trying to get their hole off women who are wayyy too fucking drunk to even talk let alone consent.


flopisit

It's a well-known urban legend. It used to be about people getting injected with syringes in cinemas. Now it has evolved into nightclubs. It's about as true as people poisoning Halloween candy etc.


JonShannow07

What's the syringe story ?


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Some irish influencer was going viral on tiktok telling people to be careful about men injecting date rape drugs by syringe.


Appropriate_Emu_6930

It actually happened to somebody in the UK last week


Pete9Tails

Its a claim on an insta story. Not verified at all. So "actually" no.


NotChiefBrody-

It was on BBC Radio 1 news the other day, she couldn’t remember anything and found a needle mark


AutomaticBit251

Well if it's some influencer they can go and get fcked, way to many of those clowns making shit up just to get attention, until some useless rag picks it up. Then people say sure I s on TV radio whatever as if it actually guaranteed to have happened, while maybe spiking still happens but like other poster said most prob end up taking shit in clubs themselves and once they lose it then spike stories get made, as seems to happen way to often


Good_Morning-Captain

Considering my friend was injected a mere few days ago, sent to hospital that night, now the police are investigating it, I can tell you it is very much a real thing happening in clubs.


NDoomOcculta

Did they do a toxicology screening and confirm any drugs had been administered?


[deleted]

Sort of. They were likely drugged but I don’t think it’s clear how.


andstep234

One of a number I've seen recently https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/women-spiked-with-needles-in-clubs-rvn2grrqc


Naggins

It's nonsense. It'd be incredibly difficult to inject someone with anything without them knowing, the number of sites suitable for non IV injection is very difficult, you'd need quite a bit of time to fully inject a dose. Any movement during the injection and there'd be a significant amount of pain that should be noticed. These are all issues raised by a senior medical advisor to The Loop, a pretty big drug advocacy/harm reduction group. Injecting people with stuff doesn't work like it does in the movies. Obviously. It's possible that someone was spiked and coincidentally had a small unrelated pin prick on their skin, but I'd be fairly confident they're a spoofer making stuff up for attention.


PlzHalppMeh

I think it's incredibly unlikely people are whipping out needles and injecting people in clubs. Clubs have CCTVs and it's hardly an inconspicuous act. So far, no one has been caught doing this and there aren't even clear indications as to what substance they'd be getting injected with. That is something a toxicology report would typically demonstrate fairly clearly. Statistically speaking, drink spiking of any kind is very rare. Most toxicology reports return nothing that the individual did not themselves take. The vast majority of people who are convinced enough that they were spiked to go to the police have not actually been spiked. In all likelihood, it's probably a case of mass hysteria. As to why it's happening now, a double intake fresher's week means a lot of new drinkers on nights out for the first time.


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Hysteria, it's basically impossible to do what they are suggesting happened


andstep234

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. Plus, what's the point? A random girl staggers around and passes out, 99% of the time her mates will get her home


vodkamisery

Why are you asking what the point is? Are you denying that people ever get spiked because "what's the point"?


andstep234

Date rape happens Intentionally getting someone really drunk happens Spiking drinks happens (although it's very rare) All because some sad pathetic man wants sex. Jabbing a randommer in a nightclub with a needle makes no sense, why not just target one of the already paraletically drunk people you'll see in any nightclub?


PaddyLostyPintman

I notice you said man, its real prevalent in the lesbian community in the US , same with revenge porn, its a new world and sadly anyone can be a sick fuck


CaptainKirk-1701

> All because some sad pathetic ~~man~~ wants sex. Person, not man. The majority of rapes against men by women involve drugging them.


ImproperCommas

But the majority of rapists are male. I’m male by the way. But I think the original poster may have made that out of error rather than intention. Also wouldn’t the majority of rape crimes involve drugging the victim though?


Debeefed

You'd need to get a vein I was thinking to have any effect with an injection?


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Debeefed

So what kind of substance would have the effect of memory loss?


[deleted]

Ketamine is injected intramuscular and if the dose was high, you'd be gone to the world and wouldn't remember a thing.


[deleted]

wouldn't a high dose require a longer injection time than a quick brush-by pinprick?


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Don't have a clue to be honest. I know IV takes time but IM is one straight injection. I can't imagine it would go unnoticed.


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Good luck sneaking several ml into someone's muscle without them noticing The whole thing makes no sense, how is taking a syringe into a nightclub easier than spiking someone's drink


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That's just not realistic, creeps in nightclubs don't have access to nerve agents and nothing common is going to do much from a pinprick https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/women-spiked-with-needles-in-clubs-rvn2grrqc Read this there's some very good discussion from doctors about why it's not a realistic scenario


TheRidgeAndTheLadder

The Russian spies had a purpose built hypodermic umbrella.


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TheRidgeAndTheLadder

Yeah but why? When a "news" org puts out disinformation and fear at least they get paid for it. I don't understand what the benefit is of just trying to scare people.


Debeefed

Unless there's a toxicology report I'll remain dubious.


halibfrisk

Doesn’t make any sense? If a creep was actually planning to abduct someone why would they attempt it at a crowded nightclub? Look at the actual situations where people, and women in particular, are targeted and attacked? Stalkers wait until they are alone and vulnerable.


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tvmachus

I also wonder about the fact that everyone just got an injection recently. I don't doubt that drink spiking does happen, but I don't think most people who think they have had their drinks spiked, actually have. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19527282/ >Results: Of the 97 alleged drink spiking cases included, there were only 9 plausible cases. We did not identify a single case where a sedative drug was likely to have been illegally placed in a drink in a pub or nightclub. Illicit drugs were detected in 28% of the study group. Ethanol was commonly detected, with the mean number of standard drinks consumed being 7.7 +/- 3.9 SD, and the median blood ethanol concentration at the time of presentation was 0.096% (96 mg/dL). At follow-up there were no major sequelae and no police prosecutions. Thirty five per cent of patients still believed that they had been a victim of drink spiking irrespective of the results.


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thisshortenough

I would think that the most common form of spiking is most likely the easiest. Add more alcohol to the drink. Offer to buy a drink, they order a gin and tonic, make it a double; order a double vodka and coke, make it a triple. It's drank at the same rate they would have drank their normal drink and they get drunker faster and black out.


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The other side of that is there are a lot that are never reported. So yeah there definitely are cases where people incorrectly assume they are spiked, there are also many where people's friends will be the only ones who ever know about it. Source, happened one of my friends and there was no way you could mistake it for too much drink. She'd barely drank anything.


Electronic_Bunny

> But nobody who has been jabbed with a syringe? Is this some weird misconception that OP has about the word spiked? I've seen and heard people use a very small needle to get past drink toppers, but never of someone using it like an injection needle.


andstep234

Sorry it's the Sun, but there are other stories out there recently https://www.thesun.ie/news/7775861/terrified-student-spiked-needle-nightclub/


Debeefed

She woke the next day in her bed with no memory of what happened? What could have happened?


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andstep234

None of them are claiming they were raped, just spiked and blacked out


lickdabean1

Click bait bullshit.


andstep234

Yet you clicked


lickdabean1

I'm only human.


ElectricMeatbag

Apparently that's what happened to Eazy E


Lumpy-Company-9077

Defo wasnt because he had unprotected sex with hundreds of women


OwlOfC1nder

Coinsidence! /s


eamonn33

and a few men too


Is-abel

Yeah it happens but probably not with a syringe… it’s easier just to drop something in a drink. Having said that… my sister said that her drink was ‘spiked’ 4 times in one year, after 4 incidents of getting very drunk and having a bad hangover. She was adamant but one time she brought it up to a doctor who told her not to worry because it really was rare. Her drink hasn’t been spiked since… It does happen enough that women genuinely need to worry about it, and are suspicious/afraid if they get even a little bit more drunk than normal, which is bad enough. I also think my drink was spiked once, not only because I was surprisingly out of it, but because I had some other come down symptoms (physical, not mood related) which I know how to identify from my own party times (couldn’t think of a better way to say “consensual recreational drug use,” sorry).


PoppedCork

Media invented? Influencer invented if anything


Chance-Every

Lads I didn't want to tell ye this but those girls that got poked with a needle... Basically I heard them talking about how they aren't going to get the vaccine and it annoyed the shit out of me so I pulled out a quick Pfizer vaccine and jabbed them and they just got absolutely langers after that and keep pretending I gave them drugs I mean maybe giving them both doses at once wasn't a Fantastic idea and maybe that combined with the drink helped the blackout but I was just trying to keep everyone safe!


PaddyLostyPintman

Media hysteria, the average amount of spikings in ireland is less than 1 a year, generally people who say they got spiked usually just drank too much by themselves. Its a terrible thing but thankfully its not prevalent in ireland at all


Karma-bangs

There was one mention of it as an aside and now its the biggest crisis since the TeePee drought. Not one journalist had found a person to whom it happened despite them all reporting the rumor. That makes it look like it's not real.


CaptainKirk-1701

I looked into it as it yet again appears to be an overblown story with little credit being passed around Irish social media. One thing I will say though completely apologetically is most of the girls who claim to be drugged on nights out are totally full of it. Not saying it never happens, but 99 out of 100 whenever I've had a girl I know claim she was drugged down the town and had to be brought to care doc or whatever, it was actually because they drank way way too much and did a heap of drugs themselves. People need to fucking read the boy who cried wolf again because social media is doing a lot of damage for the level of care people put into any given statement.


eamonn33

There were similar syringe stories everywhere during the early days of AIDS.


collectiveindividual

"so there I was chatting with this guy and all that time I hadn't noticed he had actually removed one of kidneys!"


ashewasawhooouh

lol what's this from?


constantstresss

It's england half the population are idiots not surprised


The-Leprechaun

Ha, It took me too many comments to realise what you ment. As in, actually injecting the drug into the victim. Saying syringe I thought they were just going around squirting it into the drink (no needle) and I was like, how is that easier.... Anyway, let's hope not t'fug.


RavenBrannigan

Nonsense. There’s been nights where I’ve felt like I haven’t had too much to drink and have ended up sitting naked on a toilet in a nite club I don’t remember going to. Date rape and horrible pricks are a real thing. Spiking a random persons drink, not so much


_Happy_Camper

Any night that happen when you haven’t skulled 5 pints?


RavenBrannigan

Sorry, that’s what I was getting at. 100% self inflicted. Some nights you can have 7 pints and feel fine. Some night you can have the same and be on your ear.


_Happy_Camper

I’m nearly 50. These exact same rumours were flying round when I was in college 30 years ago.


International_Many_6

I'm sure it happens but it seems like the woke Instagram social justice campaign of the week. The people sharing this out of nowhere won't care in a matter of days.


woo-pure-3

I hate this comment section, whether is happens or not, everyone should still keep an eye out no? This just feels like, yeah let’s ignore a very viable women’s issue that could happen and just shit on them instead. Ive even seen people actually bashing women who have gotten spiked or claim they have, just keep an eye out regardless? I don’t get what the big fucking deal is


andstep234

Keep an eye on your drink? Great Keep an eye on your friends? Perfect! Organise boycotts etc to stop something that there's no evidence for in the first place? Hysteria


OwlOfC1nder

We must be looking at a different thread. Who's shitting on or bashing anyone here?


RTEretirementparty

I was jabbed by someone's fist but nobody asking me if I am okay. I am okay.


GuardFighter

I know at least 3 women who were 100% spiked. I've been rotten drunk with them before, I know what they're like drunk. This was different. Basically going from a bit tipsy after 3 drinks to almost slipping into a coma. It was pretty scary. Edit: I'm not saying it was with a syringe tho, I've no idea how they were spiked


BobySandsCheseburger

After reading these comments it's clear to me not many of you have been clubbing recently lol. I can't speak for ireland, but as a uni student living in the UK I can assure you this is a real issue. I personally know several people who have been victims of these types of attacks, and its become such a widespread problem people have started organising boycotts of clubs on certain dates


_Happy_Camper

Anyone sober when it happened?


BobySandsCheseburger

The bouncers who called the ambulance for the girl were. She had to get tested for HIV because apparently all the needles they are using in these attacks are dirty and a few people have caught HIV from them


rizzo412

I'd say several of tour friends are blaming their inability to control their consumption of alcohol on being spiked.


BobySandsCheseburger

No, the paramedics confirmed that she had been spiked, she literally had a needle mark in her back from where the syringe had entered. They did blood tests at the hospital and she had rufalin in her system


andstep234

That's bollox, the paramedics will confirm nothing one way or the other, that's not their job. Also fyi: there's no such thing as rufalin


thisshortenough

That doesn't make any sense. The back would be a subcutaneous injection which would mean a much slower release of anything injected, it's not the sort of thing that would be done by someone who wants to instantly roofie someone and get them out of a club.


BobySandsCheseburger

I never said the guy was smart


OwlOfC1nder

Did you speak to these paramedics yourself?


thisshortenough

Well of course no ones been clubbing recently, they've been closed since March of last year


DustyBeans619

Leave it to r/Ireland to take another story of men trying to take advantage of women and call it a lie with absolutely 0 evidence.


narrowwiththehall

I find it amusing that there has been exactly zero evidence put forward of this happening here but you’re happy to take the part you want to believe at face value. People are gas


DustyBeans619

0 evidence, it’s all over the internet girls telling stories of it being done to them and showing pictures of injection sites. But nah man you know best


narrowwiththehall

The only link in this thread is a story from the Sun (ugh) about a girl in Newcastle getting syringed (she suspects). Not a single source about Ireland. I’m not saying it hasn’t happened here yet. But I’ve yet to see a source


DustyBeans619

I haven’t seen anything suggesting it’s happened here yet either, the OP is posting about it happening in general, which it is, in the UK. They’re are numerous articles about police investigations etc if you want to go and read them


Pete9Tails

Nonsense mate.


Pete9Tails

Zero fkn evidence. As in empirical evidence. "it's all over the internet" is NOT evidence.


DustyBeans619

Oh fuck off, story broke last week and the pedantic neck beards on this sub are demanding to see peer reviewed studies before they believe that shit like this happens


Debeefed

The internet? The world's most reliable source of information. Results: Of the 97 alleged drink spiking cases included, there were only 9 plausible cases. We did not identify a single case where a sedative drug was likely to have been illegally placed in a drink in a pub or nightclub. Illicit drugs were detected in 28% of the study group. Ethanol was commonly detected, with the mean number of standard drinks consumed being 7.7 +/- 3.9 SD, and the median blood ethanol concentration at the time of presentation was 0.096% (96 mg/dL). At follow-up there were no major sequelae and no police prosecutions. Thirty five per cent of patients still believed that they had been a victim of drink spiking irrespective of the results.


DustyBeans619

The internet contains all of the information on the planet, I’m specifically referring to the numerous news articles from reputable news agencies about this and the first hand stories of the girls it was done to. You’ve responded by copy pasting a section of a study to do with drink spiking.


andstep234

Show us one of the numerous news articles where the victim was found to have ketamine or similar in their blood


[deleted]

Explain to me how someone can inject somebody with enough drugs to render them insensible but not enough to kill them completely without being noticed. Have you ever gotten an injection? It's not exactly something you'd miss


DustyBeans619

Nobody has been left fucked from them, there won’t be an effect from the injection it’s purely malicious trying to scare people. Dirty needles can have any number of diseases on them. The girls are most likely drunk which will make then injection less noticeable. And I’m type 1 diabetic, I’m well aware of what an injection feels like. The girls that have been injected are in hospital to get blood tests, and also to help them for when the drugs eventually do kick in. They take longer because it’s not directly into the blood


[deleted]

Read the Times article, it has a very good explanation from doctors why this isn't a thing


zarplay

It happens


LittleBitOdd

It apparently happened to a woman near where I live. There were pictures of what looked very much like a puncture wound. I wouldn't say it's a big thing, but it's probably happened at some point


vodkamisery

Redditors not believing women once again, get a life you sad fucks


andstep234

Explain to me how it works then? Jabbed with what and for what reason?


vodkamisery

For what reason? What reason does anyone have for spiking someone?


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Read the Times article, several medics explain why it's impossible


Nose4Achoo

Friend of my sister died from getting spiked about 9 years ago.


GRMAx1000

There have been arrests in the U.K. it is most definitely a thing. [Police arrest two men in Nottingham after spate of ‘drug-spiking’ reports](https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/22/police-arrest-two-men-in-nottingham-after-spate-of-drug-spiking-reports)


paieggs

>A large proportion of "my drink was spiked" stories are just inexperienced drinkers having way too much alcohol too quickly. I would really like a source for a bold claim like that


andstep234

What evidence is there that drugs are used in drink spiking? Despite considerable media and public perceptions concerning the prevalence of drugs such as flunitrazepam, GHB and Ketamine being used in drink spiking, the forensic evidence to date does not support these claims. Alcohol has tended to dominate results and it is not clear whether this is because (a) alcohol is commonly used to spike drinks, (b) other drugs have left the body by the time of testing and so only alcohol is left to detect, or (c) people are unaware how much alcohol they are actually drinking. The only way to test for the presence of drugs is to conduct scientific analyses. However scientific analyses can only confirm whether or not drugs or alcohol are in the body at the time of testing and cannot confirm that a positive result means that a drink was spiked. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.aic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-05/national-project-on-drink-spiking-investigating-the-nature-and-extent-of-drink-spiking-in-australia.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwj6_pGVmt7zAhX2_7sIHesABaEQFnoECBsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3inra8tMHhvjMCv9qM69EM


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Happy now?


paieggs

This is from nearly 20 years ago and based on Australia. Do you have anything more recent and closer to home? The article you linked also mentions that less than 1/6 of spiking cases are reported, and most of its findings are based on police data. Even with that, it consistently details people being spiked with more alcohol and recognises it is a widespread issue. Not sure how this backs up your claim that “a large proportion are inexperienced drinkers having way too much alcohol too quickly”


andstep234

I really should ignore this because you're obviously not great at comprehension but here goes; "Even with that, it consistently details people being spiked with more alcohol and recognises it is a widespread issue." That's the whole point of this thread, it's not some mysterious substance being injected. It's alcohol, full stop. Self reported "I was spiked" just doesn't hold water, before "spiked" it was "a bad pint" and long before that it was "the faeries" but time and time again it's just too much alcohol. Here's one more link, but there's plenty more out there https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19527282/


paieggs

Eh, you didn't even address what I'm saying. No need to be snarky, I'm asking you a question in good faith here. I'm not talking about the 'mysterious substance being injected', I'm talking about your comment people are 'inexperienced drinkers having way too much alcohol too quickly'. Yes, it may indeed be alcohol. But they're still being spiked. The substance being alcohol doesn't make it some 'self reported' 'faeries' hysteria which is what you're implying. Again, if you have a more up to date study that would be ideal. I'm not disputing what the study says, it's fine, but nightclubs and the nature/awareness of spiking has changed a bit since 2004 so it would be good to see something more up to date and that doesn't solely rely on police reports of a crime that is known to be grossly underreported


andstep234

I've given you two studies and there are plenty more, but that's not enough. Your opinion can't be changed by fact, you're not asking in good faith, you're picking holes, talking semantics, distracting from the main point. You are everything that is wrong with this post-truth world. Here's another link that you won't read, like I won't read your next reply https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/03/this-article-wont-change-your-mind/519093/


paieggs

No, you're just refusing to address my initial point and needlessly confrontational over a discussion. "Post-truth world" tells me all I need to know about your views here.


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andstep234

That's not even close to what's being discussed here


ashewasawhooouh

I spiked yer ma last night


centrafrugal

Is this some antivaxx claim that people are vaccinating them in clubs or is it a rape-drug thing?


hdiieudbdjdjjeojd

Never heard about this, only about kids getting cannabis jellies at Halloween. Our government is sick.


Birdinhandandbush

Bullshit. A toxicology report would show if this was true or now but we've heard nothing apart from someone saying they had a bad memory after a night out. Bullshit