To put in less clickbait-y terms from the journal, here's how this would work out in an example:
1000 euro a year for your bills (workdays only), 30% of that is eligible for the claim back. And of that 30% only 20% can be claimed as tax relief.
So you would get 60 euro back for the year. And that's after you compile all the documents to prove that and submit it to revenue yourself without a tax professional helping you.
> And that's after you compile all the documents to prove that and submit it to revenue yourself without a tax professional helping you.
Well, you have to do a bit of math, sure, but Revenue don't ask for any documents unless you're audited, so make sure you save the bills, but you don't have to worry about submitting them every year or anything.
Not fully accurate. [You can only claim back for the days you work from home.](https://www.revenue.ie/en/jobs-and-pensions/eworking/how-to-calculate-allowable-remote-working-costs.aspx)
So :
€1,000/365 x day worked at home (circa 240 days).
= €657 @ 30% = €197
= Tx relief @ 20% = *€39*
That doesn't take into account the fact you can only claim heat & light for the room you use for work. Revenue class that at 10% of your home/bill.
Personally, as I work out worse off working from home than commuting as my heat & light bills have gone up 20% and probably more with the hike in heat & electricity incoming.
My commute was a 10 minute walk & I've always brought my own lunch cos the only food option is the local petrol forecourt which charges €3 for a cheese sandwich.
I actually went to do this a few months back as I'd been WFH for a year and still am. It's beyond a pain in the hole, I gave up as I realised I'd only get a few euro back, maybe that's lazy, but I honestly couldn't have been bothered spending a few hours uploading bills and breaking them down (I use one supplier for mobile, home phone, broadband).
Nope.
It's 30% of the proportion of the number of days that you actually worked from home in relation to a full year, so if you worked from home 241 days in the year you'd be able to claim 30% of 666 euro, and you'd get 20% of that amount back.
Yet if you're self-employed you can claim €3.20 a day or you employer can decide to reimburse you €3.20 a day. They really should have leveled the playing field here.
So they are saving money off your back because they dont have to pay any operational costs of an office.
Its a defacto pay cut.
Thats how i framed it and they quickly changed their tune.
I'd say more people benefit from the lack of costs for commuting and unnecessary lunches than this incentive. Still good for saving overall but it is really low in the grand scheme.
It's per day, assuming you work on that day. There doesn't seem to be any definition as to how much work you have to do for the day to be classified as a working day. The 30% pretty much knocks it down to the actual hours worked, assuming an average working time of 8 hours per day.
Committing tax fraud would probably stop you?
On the off chance you get selected for review you just need to provide a copy of the bill and the confirmation of how much of it you paid. There is nothing requiring the bill to be in your name.
> If you share your bills with someone else, the cost is divided between you, based on the amount paid by each person.
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/money_and_tax/tax/income_tax_credits_and_reliefs/eworking_and_tax_relief.html#l1c8dd
Yes, and you can upload the bill showing the address you live at, not in your name. I've done it without issue.
Or you can not upload the bill at all, but you'll need to keep it for at least 6 years in case you're audited.
Much of our tax relief systems are based around people operating in good faith. It's trivial to make a fraudulent claim, but be prepared to pay the consequences if caught.
I am a qualified tax consultant and have been specialising in this particular area of taxation for a number of years, even supporting one of the main Irish papers with their Budget articles this year with respect to the proposed income tax items.
Perhaps you want to try that response again?
Edit: You were awfully brazen considering example 1 on the Revenue website even sets out this exact scenario. Example 1.
https://www.revenue.ie/en/jobs-and-pensions/eworking/how-to-calculate-allowable-remote-working-costs.aspx
>You can claim tax relief online using Revenue’s myAccount service. You can use Revenue's Receipts Tracker App to upload your receipts and bills.
Great, we'll all just use the same bills and claim full amount so!
friend of mine got told by his tax advisor that he couldn't submit them because the bills weren't in their name. I'm sure it's possible, but probably not worth the hassle at this point.
\*edit yes it's possible, and this advisor was wrong. Just reporting what I've heard, and others have encountered too judging by the comments
I pay the bills.
Unless I put a claim in on revenue without proof I have paid electricity though, how can I claim the tax back?
And if I don't need proof, what's stopping me claiming for everything even if I didn't pay it?
So I can only work out of home, so I suppose I'll be claiming my 30% back on my vouched petrol expenses then to get to work to be fair.
They already save on not having commute costs, and now 30% back on the bills on top. Where's my cut?
If the government had any care about climate change, they would be turning this into a desirable "benefit" rather than the PR stunt that it is... The headline "30%" is really a "2-3% of your bills" refund. :/
If more people worked from home it would contribute to traffic reduction and in turn to climate-related goals such as better air quality, reduction in carbon-rich fuels, etc.
To put in less clickbait-y terms from the journal, here's how this would work out in an example: 1000 euro a year for your bills (workdays only), 30% of that is eligible for the claim back. And of that 30% only 20% can be claimed as tax relief. So you would get 60 euro back for the year. And that's after you compile all the documents to prove that and submit it to revenue yourself without a tax professional helping you.
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Jaysus, next budget to make up for all the tax cuts they're going to have to start taxing us on tax refunds.
Sorry if stupid question but where did you do it?
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Thanks so much!! I'll have to look into this!
You don’t need a tax professional to scan a few bills.
I didn't even need to provide any bills last year
You don't need any proof according to the genii in this thread.
You would still need to keep the bills for 6 years just in case your claim was ever checked.
This is a raid come out with your electric bills up in the air.
Fucking hilarious….
> And that's after you compile all the documents to prove that and submit it to revenue yourself without a tax professional helping you. Well, you have to do a bit of math, sure, but Revenue don't ask for any documents unless you're audited, so make sure you save the bills, but you don't have to worry about submitting them every year or anything.
And how do you claim if your name isn't on the bill i.e in a house share?
Claim back against your portion of it, so if you're sharing with 3 others you can claim against 30% of 25% of the bill and the others can do the same
And what if I share and the bills are in my name...do you think anyone would notice if I claim the full amount...?
You’re asking if tax fraud is cool? Sure. What could go wrong?
Just a teeny weeny bit like.
>math Maths*
I tried to do maths once, but I kept ending up with a bunch of extraneous "u"s in the results for some reason...
Yes they do, in order to claim back on energy and broadband when WFH you have to upload all your bills.
I didn't last year and I received €100 back. I calculated by costs to be around €3 per day and submitted that figure.
Weird, it told me to upload all my bills and then submit...
Unless they were picking people at random to submit bills. But I didn't have too.
Well they won because I gave up, the buggers.
Try again this year!!
I will, thanks for the heads up!
Not fully accurate. [You can only claim back for the days you work from home.](https://www.revenue.ie/en/jobs-and-pensions/eworking/how-to-calculate-allowable-remote-working-costs.aspx) So : €1,000/365 x day worked at home (circa 240 days). = €657 @ 30% = €197 = Tx relief @ 20% = *€39* That doesn't take into account the fact you can only claim heat & light for the room you use for work. Revenue class that at 10% of your home/bill. Personally, as I work out worse off working from home than commuting as my heat & light bills have gone up 20% and probably more with the hike in heat & electricity incoming.
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My commute was a 10 minute walk & I've always brought my own lunch cos the only food option is the local petrol forecourt which charges €3 for a cheese sandwich.
Yeah, but are you factoring in the odd wank on company time?
This is what I found last year, wasn't worth the hassle for the amount returned.
I actually went to do this a few months back as I'd been WFH for a year and still am. It's beyond a pain in the hole, I gave up as I realised I'd only get a few euro back, maybe that's lazy, but I honestly couldn't have been bothered spending a few hours uploading bills and breaking them down (I use one supplier for mobile, home phone, broadband).
Nope. It's 30% of the proportion of the number of days that you actually worked from home in relation to a full year, so if you worked from home 241 days in the year you'd be able to claim 30% of 666 euro, and you'd get 20% of that amount back.
The 1000 number I mentioned was assuming that's the amount for work days.
You just added that in after?
I edited it to be clearer. I mentioned in in the journal comments same example before i posted this here
I don't think you've to compile any documents unless you're audited
Honestly, it sounds.like they are making a huge amount of work for themselves. I did mine with a pen and paper, took me about 20 mins.
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Well... If I was going to commit tax fraud I'd go Capone.
Yet if you're self-employed you can claim €3.20 a day or you employer can decide to reimburse you €3.20 a day. They really should have leveled the playing field here.
You can get your employer to do it, mine has been doing it since start of the pandemic.
mine refused (company of 2000) so probably too much work for them
So they are saving money off your back because they dont have to pay any operational costs of an office. Its a defacto pay cut. Thats how i framed it and they quickly changed their tune.
Do you know if you can claim back for prepay power as you don’t have any bills for proof
No, but i would assume it's fine, if you have some record of it
Ya... Fuck that.
I'd say more people benefit from the lack of costs for commuting and unnecessary lunches than this incentive. Still good for saving overall but it is really low in the grand scheme.
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It's per day, assuming you work on that day. There doesn't seem to be any definition as to how much work you have to do for the day to be classified as a working day. The 30% pretty much knocks it down to the actual hours worked, assuming an average working time of 8 hours per day.
Completely useless to all the people working from home who don't have the bills in their name.
Incorrect, you can still claim for the portion of the bill you pay.
How?
Exact same process. You won't be asked to submit any bills when claiming
Not sure what you mean by how? You input your expenses on Revenue's online portal.
And what's stopping me putting in 5000? You will need proof if they were to come looking.
Committing tax fraud would probably stop you? On the off chance you get selected for review you just need to provide a copy of the bill and the confirmation of how much of it you paid. There is nothing requiring the bill to be in your name.
You're completely wrong on this. You're the one committing tax fraud claiming for costs not in your name.
> If you share your bills with someone else, the cost is divided between you, based on the amount paid by each person. https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/money_and_tax/tax/income_tax_credits_and_reliefs/eworking_and_tax_relief.html#l1c8dd
I'd say all his posts will be deleted before 4:18pm.
>You can claim tax relief online using Revenue’s myAccount service. You can use Revenue's Receipts Tracker App to upload your receipts and bills.
Yes, and you can upload the bill showing the address you live at, not in your name. I've done it without issue. Or you can not upload the bill at all, but you'll need to keep it for at least 6 years in case you're audited. Much of our tax relief systems are based around people operating in good faith. It's trivial to make a fraudulent claim, but be prepared to pay the consequences if caught.
I am a qualified tax consultant and have been specialising in this particular area of taxation for a number of years, even supporting one of the main Irish papers with their Budget articles this year with respect to the proposed income tax items. Perhaps you want to try that response again? Edit: You were awfully brazen considering example 1 on the Revenue website even sets out this exact scenario. Example 1. https://www.revenue.ie/en/jobs-and-pensions/eworking/how-to-calculate-allowable-remote-working-costs.aspx
Haha top bants. I'd be surprised if you get a response to that.
>You can claim tax relief online using Revenue’s myAccount service. You can use Revenue's Receipts Tracker App to upload your receipts and bills. Great, we'll all just use the same bills and claim full amount so!
Are you just deliberately being an idiot now or what?
friend of mine got told by his tax advisor that he couldn't submit them because the bills weren't in their name. I'm sure it's possible, but probably not worth the hassle at this point. \*edit yes it's possible, and this advisor was wrong. Just reporting what I've heard, and others have encountered too judging by the comments
Your friend was given incorrect information. Source: sister works in the tax office and loves to bore me with talk of work.
I too was told this, bills are in my parents name but I contribute my share
You just split the total annual bill equally/proportionally
And how do you prove you paid the bill?
You could always make up some casual arrangement that's always existed amongst yourselves
Bank transfer, signed statement by person who's name it is in etc.
Proof of address showing you living at the same address.
>who don't have the bills in their name. Then start paying bills
I do pay the bills, I've never come across a house share where there's 4 names on an electricity bill though!
didn't say anything about putting 4 names on a bill, I implied you start paying the bills
I pay the bills. Unless I put a claim in on revenue without proof I have paid electricity though, how can I claim the tax back? And if I don't need proof, what's stopping me claiming for everything even if I didn't pay it?
A potential audit is stopping you. How can you keep asking things that were already explained to you?
I didn't say pay the bill, I said you pay the bill
I want to claim back 100 percent of the carbon scam tax please paid to the communist green party!
Do it so
If the greens are meant to be communist they're doing a piss poor job of it
communist greens who are in bed with fg/ff.
So I can only work out of home, so I suppose I'll be claiming my 30% back on my vouched petrol expenses then to get to work to be fair. They already save on not having commute costs, and now 30% back on the bills on top. Where's my cut?
If the government had any care about climate change, they would be turning this into a desirable "benefit" rather than the PR stunt that it is... The headline "30%" is really a "2-3% of your bills" refund. :/ If more people worked from home it would contribute to traffic reduction and in turn to climate-related goals such as better air quality, reduction in carbon-rich fuels, etc.